The G.O.P. Plot to Sabotage 2021

  
Via:  Bob Nelson  •  one week ago  •  61 comments

By:   Paul Krugman - The New York Times

The G.O.P. Plot to Sabotage 2021



Republicans are already acting as if there's no next year.

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512 Nobody knows for sure who will win in November. Joe Biden holds the advantage right now, but between the vagaries of the Electoral College and whatever October surprises the Trumpists cook up — you know they're coming — who knows?

If President Trump loses, he'll leave
Joe Biden with a ruined economy
and a pandemic out of control.
Doug Mills/The New York Times

One thing that's clear, however, is that Republicans — not just Donald Trump, but his whole party — are acting as if there's no tomorrow. Or, more precisely, they're acting as if there's no next year.

And this means that if Biden does win, he will have to govern in the face of what amounts to nonstop policy sabotage from his political opponents.

To see what I mean about acting as if there's no next year, consider the large (and illegal) indoor rally Trump held Sunday in Nevada.

Before the release of Bob Woodward's new book, you might have argued that Trump doesn't believe the science and didn't realize that his event might well sicken and kill many people. But we now know that he's well aware of the risks, and has been all along. He just doesn't care.

Or consider Trump's weeks of silence and inaction on the wildfires ravaging Western states. It's true that he won't win California, Oregon or Washington. But he's supposed to be the president of America, not just red states.

Furthermore, those states account for almost 19 percent of the U.S. economy; you might think that he'd care about the damage they're suffering, which will spill over to the rest of the country. But he clearly doesn't.

For me, however, the most striking demonstration of Republican refusal to think ahead is the fact that nothing has been done to alleviate either the suffering of unemployed Americans — who lost much of the benefits that were sustaining them at the end of July — or the looming fiscal crisis of state and local governments.

I read a number of business newsletters that try to offer guidance on future economic and policy developments; early in the summer just about all of them predicted that the Democratic House and the Republican Senate would reach some kind of compromise on economic relief. The unemployed would keep getting enhanced benefits, although less than the $600-a-week supplement they'd been getting under the CARES Act; state and local governments would get significant help, although not as much as Democrats wanted.

But there was no deal, just Trump executive memorandums that authorized some extra payments and a gimmick that has already fizzled. What happened?

My interpretation is while Democrats passed a relief bill that was supposed to serve as a starting point for negotiations way back in May, Republicans dithered, held back both by hard-line right-wingers and by fantasies of a V-shaped economic recovery. And by the time they realized that their fantasies wouldn't come true, it was too late to take action that would have much impact on the election. So why bother doing anything?

That is, it's as if Republicans don't expect to win, and they figure that if they do, they'll deal with the mess somehow.

Now, a naive observer might expect politicians to consider the national interest, not just the political fortunes of their own party. But not these politicians, and not this party.

All of this has ominous implications for the state of the nation in the months and perhaps years after the election.

Suppose that Biden wins (which isn't a safe assumption) and that he does so without Trump and his supporters generating a hugely disruptive constitutional crisis (which is definitely not a safe assumption). Even so, there will still be two months during which Republicans hold both the White House and the Senate.

Traditionally, departing administrations try to smooth the path for their successors. If you think that's going to happen this time, I have miles of new border wall, paid for by Mexico, that you might want to buy.

What's actually going to happen, at best, is nothing: no actions to limit the spread of the coronavirus, no financial relief for families and local governments in crisis. And does anyone want to bet against the possibility of deliberate actions to make things worse?

So if Biden is inaugurated on Jan. 20, he'll be the second Democratic president in a row to inherit a nation in crisis, but this time one much worse than the one facing Barack Obama.

And the troubles won't end on Inauguration Day. If Republicans still hold the Senate, they'll do everything they can to sabotage the new Biden administration.

Remember, back in 2011 House Republicans held America hostage, threatening to force a default on the national debt unless Obama gave in to their demands. And that was the pre-Trump G.O.P. — already an extremist party, but not to the degree it is now.

Things will be better if Democrats take the Senate as well as the White House. But Biden will still face constant obstruction. My guess is that whatever they say today, Democrats will eventually be forced to eliminate the filibuster, simply to make the nation governable.

The point is that while a Biden victory, if it happens, will save American democracy from immediate collapse, it won't cure the sickness that afflicts our body politic.



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Bob Nelson
1  seeder  Bob Nelson    one week ago
Traditionally, departing administrations try to smooth the path for their successors. If you think that's going to happen this time, I have miles of new border wall, paid for by Mexico, that you might want to buy.
 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2  Buzz of the Orient    one week ago

Trump never accepts blame for anything he fucks up, so I bet that if he loses, he'll blame China. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    one week ago

Well... of course!

 
 
 
evilgenius
3  evilgenius    one week ago

The Trump Administration is going full steam ahead rooting out non-loyalists in all offices of the federal government. Many of those department heads are "acting only" heads and almost none of them are qualified to hold the positions. One newest example is the appointment of climate change denialsist David Legates as the NOAA the new deputy assistant secretary of commerce for observation and prediction. This goes on while we have unprecedented wild fires and ice sheet melting.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  evilgenius @3    one week ago

Hey!

They may not have much time left. They must "accomplish" as much as possible as quickly as possible.

I do hope that there are Biden people tracking all these underhanded moves by the Trumpists, to be able to reverse them immediately.

 
 
 
evilgenius
3.1.1  evilgenius  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1    one week ago

He do quite a bit, but some of the stuff Trump has done on things like immigration policy could take several years to change.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.2  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  evilgenius @3.1.1    one week ago

Yes... and if the government has signed contracts allowing exploitation of public lands, they could be hard to cancel, too.

 
 
 
evilgenius
3.1.3  evilgenius  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.2    one week ago

I think the Trump Admin mostly lost that battle in court, but I'd have to deeper into it to be certain. I know it was a priority in 2017, but I haven't heard much about it since.

 
 
 
arkpdx
3.1.4  arkpdx  replied to  evilgenius @3.1.1    one week ago

There's nothing wrong with Trump's immigration policy. In fact it to is too lenient and needs to be strengthened. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.5  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  arkpdx @3.1.4    one week ago
 it to is too lenient

Immigration has pretty much been stopped,

Would you like Trump to round up those who have already entered? Put them in camps, maybe? 

 
 
 
arkpdx
3.1.6  arkpdx  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.5    one week ago

No camps and just the ones that came here and are her illegally. They should all be rounded up and returned to their countries of origin. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.7  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  arkpdx @3.1.6    one week ago

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arkpdx
3.1.8  arkpdx  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.7    one week ago

I wrote what I wanted. If you have something or some process on top of that, that up to you. Please do not project your solutions on to me and do not ever  put words like that on to me. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  arkpdx @3.1.8    one week ago

To some, calling for immigration laws to be enforced automatically means you are a racist or/or xenophobe.

They go to ridiculous extremes to try and paint the opposition as those things instead of recognizing that laws are supposed to be enforced.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.10  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  arkpdx @3.1.8    one week ago

When is your cut-off date? I doubt that the Pilgrims came through Customs and Immigration...

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.7    one week ago

Do you want to give any illegal alien free entry into the US, a home to live in, free medical care, and food to eat?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.7    one week ago
You don't want them gassed?

Low-down.

Tasteless.

Classless.

Unnecessary.

Obtuse.

Pitiful.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.13  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.11    one week ago

No. I want to make their home countries safe to live in, so they'll stay there.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.14  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.12    one week ago

Do you really not think that concentration camps and gas-chambers are not the end-game for xenophobia?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.13    one week ago

Maybe you should direct your energies to improving THOSE countries then.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.14    one week ago

What I think is that you are making a purely strawman argument and trying to denigrate another poster with your wise-ass crack about gassing people.

No one here is talking about concentration camps or gas chambers other than YOU.

Pitiful.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.17  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.10    one week ago
When is your cut-off date? I doubt that the Pilgrims came through Customs and Immigration...

Cut off date for exactly WHAT?

WTF do the pilgrims have to do with current immigration laws?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.18  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.17    one week ago

What is the pertinence of current immigration laws?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.18    one week ago

What is the pertinence of pilgrims to the discussion?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.20  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.18    one week ago

Can you explain your "cut off date"?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.21  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.19    one week ago

They were illegal immigrants. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.22  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.20    one week ago

At what moment are existing residents assimilated. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.23  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.21    one week ago

Prove it

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.22    one week ago

When they become legal residents

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.25  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.23    one week ago

They never went through CBP. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.26  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.25    one week ago

Do you have some vague point you think you are making?

Prove it was requured

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.27  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.26    one week ago

It wasn't required, obviously. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.28  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.27    one week ago

Then that makes the following rather pointless:

They never went through CBP. 
 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.29  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.18    one week ago

Can you explain why you don't think current immigration laws should not be enforced? Or why you think it is perfectly fine to come here and stay here illegally?

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.30  MUVA  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.29    one week ago

Hey they need the votes ,lawn care and cheap child care.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.31  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.29    one week ago
Can you explain why you don't think current immigration laws should not be enforced? 

They're immoral.

 Or why you think it is perfectly fine to come here and stay here illegally?

I don't think that. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.32  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.31    one week ago
They're immoral.

Explain.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.1.33  r.t..b...  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.29    one week ago

Let us ask all the employers who rely upon that workforce and are implicitly granted a pass and explicitly granted another pass. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.34  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.31    one week ago
I don't think that. 

And the poster you practically accused of wanting to put people in gas chambers didn't think that, either. so here we are.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.35  Texan1211  replied to  r.t..b... @3.1.33    one week ago
Let us ask all the employers who rely upon that workforce and are implicitly (by caveat) granted a pass and explicitly (by caveat) granted another pass. 

I am all for that. Punish the employers as well as deporting the illegal aliens.

But it isn't the job of employers to secure the border.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.1.36  r.t..b...  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.35    one week ago

Agree to a point... here’s to accountability at every level. It is incumbent upon the administration to enforce established law. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.37  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.32    one week ago

Unfair. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.38  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.37    one week ago

in what way, and please do compare our policies with other countries.

not allowing everyone in isn't unfair. you know

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.39  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.38    one week ago

Wbat is unclear about the word "unfair"? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.40  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.39    one week ago

forget it, I didn't figure you could be specific when it is far easier to just bleat out "It's unfair" than to address the question

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.41  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.39    one week ago

do you consider requiring immigrants to come here legally unfair Now?

what's next--borders bad??

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.42  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.41    one week ago
do you consider requiring immigrants to come here legally unfair Now?

Obviously 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.43  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.42    one week ago

why do you consider it unfair?

 
 
 
gooseisgone
3.1.44  gooseisgone  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.13    one week ago
No. I want to make their home countries safe to live in

Well you better figure out how to keep their government from taking the funds they receive and spending it on themselves rather than their people. I didn't think we were into nation building. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.45  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.43    one week ago

The criteria for entry are unfair. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.46  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  gooseisgone @3.1.44    one week ago

1 It's impossible to improve conditions in their home countries. 

2 We won't let them in. 

Conclusion: There is nothing to be done. 

Let's party! 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.47  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.45    one week ago

bull 

 
 
 
gooseisgone
3.1.48  gooseisgone  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.46    6 days ago
Conclusion: There is nothing to be done. 

If they're to stupid to figure out how to fix their own problems,  why do we want them here?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.49  Texan1211  replied to  gooseisgone @3.1.48    6 days ago

[Deleted - Trolling]

[Please do not try to give] [others'] [positions. Give your own.]

 
 
 
Drakkonis
4  Drakkonis    one week ago
And this means that if Biden does win, he will have to govern in the face of what amounts to nonstop policy sabotage from his political opponents.

Oh, man! That's rich! That's really rich! Like non-stop policy sabotage is not already just business as usual and has been for some time. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Drakkonis @4    one week ago

Rather than vague innuendo... why don't you cite a few examples of Trump policies being sabotaged. 

He got his multi-trillion dollar tax cut for the rich. No Sabotage.

He got his wall (for all the good it is). No sabotage.

He has pretty much shut down legal immigration. No sabotage.

He has handed over public lands to private exploitation. No sabotage.

What are you talking about, other than TrumpTrueBelieverTM paranoid fantasies?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5  Sean Treacy    one week ago

iden does win, he will have to govern in the face of what amounts to nonstop policy sabotage from his political opponent

Do democrats lack all self awareness?  I like a laugh as much as the next guy, but this sort of blatant denial of reality is a little scary.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
5.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sean Treacy @5    one week ago

Is there an office that orients and coordinates TrumpApostlesTM?

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1    one week ago

I am sure you will dream one up.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
5.1.2  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.1    one week ago

You wouldn't qualify, Tex.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.2    one week ago

Absolutely true, but that doesn't stop you from dreaming stuff up, does it?

 
 
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