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12 Worst Christian Persecution Nations; US Makes List for First Time

  

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Via:  xxjefferson51  •  7 years ago  •  144 comments

12 Worst Christian Persecution Nations; US Makes List for First Time
The United States has for the first time been named among the top 12 nations where Christians are targeted for their faith by a persecution watchdog group in its "Hall of Shame" report for 2016.

"We felt it was very important this year that we highlight three countries where religious discrimination and persecution are deemed unusual but have reached a certain threshold of concern. These are Mexico, Russia, and sadly, the United States," explained in a press release Jeff King, president of International Christian Concern.


"While conditions in the US are in no way comparable to other countries on the list, a certain segment of the culture and the courts seem to be intent on driving faith out of the public square. There have been too many court cases with bad decisions to miss the clear trend line."


The ICC report divides the 12 countries into three categories. Nigeria, Iraq and Syria were listed among "the worst of the worst" countries for Christians, due largely to the rise of Islamic extremism and the ongoing terror attacks throughout these nations. North Korea was also included in this category, although government crackdowns, executions and the mass imprisonment of between 40,000-70,000 Christians were the prime drivers of persecution.

India, China, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt were listed as "core" countries of persecution, where Christians are targeted often by blasphemy laws, while the rise of Christian populations is suppressed, as it is seen as a threat to the government or religious majorities.


Finally, the U.S., Mexico, and Russia were identified as "new and noteworthy" nations where Christians are facing increased persecution.

The entry for the U.S. points out that supporters of Islamic radicals have managed to carry out a number of lone-wolf attacks in the past year, but Christians are also being targeted by culture and by the media.

"Christians in the U.S. are facing constant attacks in the media, where they are portrayed as bigoted, racist, sexist, and close- minded," the report argues, highlighting in part the battle between traditional marriage and LGBT-supporting groups.


ICC said that Christians have also lost anti-discrimination legal battles and been fined for adhering to their principles, largely when it comes to traditional marriage. "Decades of accumulated poor judicial decisions and precedents have twisted the First Amendment so that the courts, in defiance of the Founders, are pushing religion out of the public square, and into the small space of private expression," the report stated.

"In essence, the courts are deciding that you only have full religious freedom and expression in the church and your home. In the public domain, your religious views and thoughts must be restrained and controlled."

Echoing King's sentiment, the entry makes clear that life for Christians in America cannot be compared to the levels of violence believers overseas are facing, but the group argued that the decline of religious liberty in the U.S. is very worrying. http://www.christianpost.com/news/12-worst-christian-persecution-nations-us-makes-list-for-first-time-172551/
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XXJefferson51
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link   seeder  XXJefferson51    7 years ago

""While conditions in the US are in no way comparable to other countries on the list, a certain segment of the culture and the courts seem to be intent on driving faith out of the public square. There have been too many court cases with bad decisions to miss the clear trend line."

 

 

The ICC report divides the 12 countries into three categories. Nigeria, Iraq and Syria were listed among "the worst of the worst" countries for Christians, due largely to the rise of Islamic extremism and the ongoing terror attacks throughout these nations.

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North Korea was also included in this category, although government crackdowns, executions and the mass imprisonment of between 40,000-70,000 Christians were the prime drivers of persecution.

India, China, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt were listed as "core" countries of persecution, where Christians are targeted often by blasphemy laws, while the rise of Christian populations is suppressed, as it is seen as a threat to the government or religious majorities.

 

 

Finally, the U.S., Mexico, and Russia were identified as "new and noteworthy" nations where Christians are facing increased persecution.

The entry for the U.S. points out that supporters of Islamic radicals have managed to carry out a number of lone-wolf attacks in the past year, but Christians are also being targeted by culture and by the media.

"Christians in the U.S. are facing constant attacks in the media, where they are portrayed as bigoted, racist, sexist, and close- minded," the report argues, highlighting in part the battle between traditional marriage and LGBT-supporting groups.

 

 

 

ICC said that Christians have also lost anti-discrimination legal battles and been fined for adhering to their principles, largely when it comes to traditional marriage.

"Decades of accumulated poor judicial decisions and precedents have twisted the First Amendment so that the courts, in defiance of the Founders, are pushing religion out of the public square, and into the small space of private expression," the report stated.

"In essence, the courts are deciding that you only have full religious freedom and expression in the church and your home. In the public domain, your religious views and thoughts must be restrained and controlled."

Echoing King's sentiment, the entry makes clear that life for Christians in America cannot be compared to the levels of violence believers overseas are facing, but the group argued that the decline of religious liberty in the U.S. is very worrying.

North Korea has often been featured at the very top of lists that focus on Christian persecution, with other groups, including Open Doors USA, naming it the worst country for followers of Christ in its annual list for almost a decade straight.

A number of the countries in ICC's report were also featured in Aid to the Church in Need's November list of nations where Christians face the most persecution.

The seven nations where persecution was branded so extreme by ACN that "it could scarcely get any worse" include: Afghanistan, Iraq (northern), Nigeria, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Somalia and Syria.

"A virulent and extremist form of Islam emerged as the number one threat to religious freedom and was revealed as the primary cause of persecution in many of the worst cases," the November report explained."

 
 
 
Jerry Verlinger
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link   Jerry Verlinger  replied to  XXJefferson51   7 years ago

"Christians in the U.S. are facing constant attacks in the media, where they are portrayed as bigoted, racist, sexist, and close- minded,......"

One doesn't have to been on-line very long to figure out why Christians are attacked in that manner.  

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov  replied to  Jerry Verlinger   7 years ago

Yes. Liberals are bigots.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
link   JohnRussell    7 years ago

I didn't read every word of this article (life is too short) but I did scan some elements of it that beg some questions

Who decides what constitutes 'persecution' of Christians?

I ask because it seems in some countries persecution might be a legal matter involving 'blasphemy laws' where Christianity offends the prevailing religious traditions, in other countries all religions may be in danger due to atheistic authoritarian and violent governments, and in others, such as the newly minted violator the U.S., the persecution may consist of a culture inspired "removal" of religious expression from the "public square". The U.S. has a mandatory separation of church and state interpreted by federal courts. The removal of Christian symbols may not represent persecution at all but simply adherence to law. 

In other words, isn't this list and it's criteria simply arbitrary choices signifying little in an objective sense?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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link   seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell   7 years ago

"The entry for the U.S. points out that supporters of Islamic radicals have managed to carry out a number of lone-wolf attacks in the past year, but Christians are also being targeted by culture and by the media.

"Christians in the U.S. are facing constant attacks in the media, where they are portrayed as bigoted, racist, sexist, and close- minded," the report argues, highlighting in part the battle between traditional marriage and LGBT-supporting groups.


ICC said that Christians have also lost anti-discrimination legal battles and been fined for adhering to their principles, largely when it comes to traditional marriage. "Decades of accumulated poor judicial decisions and precedents have twisted the First Amendment so that the courts, in defiance of the Founders, are pushing religion out of the public square, and into the small space of private expression," the report stated.

"In essence, the courts are deciding that you only have full religious freedom and expression in the church and your home. In the public domain, your religious views and thoughts must be restrained and controlled."

Echoing King's sentiment, the entry makes clear that life for Christians in America cannot be compared to the levels of violence believers overseas are facing, but the group argued that the decline of religious liberty in the U.S. is very worrying."                                      Things are getting worse for believers here.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
link   JohnRussell  replied to  XXJefferson51   7 years ago

So, going by your inadequate response, persecution means whatever the Christian group wants it to mean in various countries. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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link   seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell   7 years ago

Persecution of Christians in America by secular progressives is not as bad as persecution Christians face in certain other places but just because we face less here than Christians in many other places do, doesn't mean we aren't facing any persecution here.  

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   Kavika   replied to  XXJefferson51   7 years ago

And the Christians have just a wonderful history of non violence. /s

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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link   seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

Like when dear leader Obama threw the dark ages in the faces of today's Christians dealing with today's Islamic dark ages persecution?  

 

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov  replied to  XXJefferson51   7 years ago

Yep. Like that. Silly, isn't it?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

Like the missionary schools that torturned indian children. 

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   7 years ago

Islamic schools have such a great reputation on the other hand...

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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link   seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   7 years ago

Because today's Christians are like 18th and 19th century Catholics who built missions to control local populations in regions that are now part of America after having been Spanish and then Mexican territories.  

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   Kavika   replied to  XXJefferson51   7 years ago

Nice try XX, but you forgot hundreds of years of history in which Indian children were forced in boarding schools and abused. Those schools were run by Christian groups, both Catholic and Protestant. BTW, the boarding schools era ended in the 1980's.

You should read what the evangelical radical/bigot Bryan Fischer has to say about American Indians.

 BTW, before it was Spanish or Mexican territory it was American Indian land.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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link   seeder  XXJefferson51    7 years ago

Media ignoring what's really going on in Iraq

Friday, January 6, 2017
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Bill Bumpas (OneNewsNow.com)

Iraq mapA Christian communicator visiting Iraq says he is getting quite a different view of the Middle Eastern country than what the secular media is reporting.

With news reports documenting the bloodshed and destruction wrought by ISIS, Charles Morris, a speaker and radio host and the president of Haven Ministries, wanted to see for himself what was happening. He is currently on his third trip to Iraq and says while the devastation is great even as the terror group is losing its stronghold in the country, Christianity is on the move.

"It's what you read at the end of Genesis -- Joseph telling his brothers, 'What you meant for evil, God has meant for good.'  And so what ISIS is using for evil, God is using for good, His good," Morris asserts.

Speaking to OneNewsNow from the ancient Iraqi town of Bartella, which was recently liberated from ISIS, Morris explains he has interviewed dozens of people – mainly Muslims, but some Yazidis and nominal Christians – who have become committed followers of Christ.

"You talk to people who've met Jesus here, and they're going to tell you that Christ is reigning, and Christ is reigning supreme," the radio host relays. "And that's not something you're going to hear in the secular media."

Morris has documented some miraculous accounts of God's amazing intervention in his new book, Fleeing ISIS, Finding Jesus: The Real Story of God at Work.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
Junior Guide
link   Nowhere Man    7 years ago

Wonderful article, everyone arguing over who is getting their asses kicked worse than any others.

And trying to take pride in being the worst off.

Remarkable, positively uplifting here....

Jesus would be so proud...../s/

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Nowhere Man   7 years ago

And trying to take pride in being the worst off.

That isn't the point here. When you compare genocide of Christians around the world this year... to being upset in the US over gay marriage, well, that makes this whole argument a joke. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
link   Bob Nelson    7 years ago

Why seed the Christian Post article? Why not post the original text: 

On June 11, 2016, Omar Mateen, a US-based radical Muslim, attacked a gay nightclub in Orlando, killing 49 and injuring 53 more. In a call to 911, he clearly laid out his motivation. The attack was driven by his allegiance to ISIS and desire for retribution for attacks on ISIS. Incredibly, after the attack, numerous high profile media outlets blamed the attacks on what they perceive as the antiLGBTQ atmosphere that Christians have created.

In short, Christians in the US are facing constant attacks in the media, where they are portrayed as bigoted, racist, sexist, and closeminded. The characterization in the media may be translating into

direct attacks as well. The First Liberty Institute, the largest legal organization in the US dedicated exclusively to protecting religious freedom, documents such actions and reports that attacks on religion doubled between 2012 and 2015.

More importantly, Christians and all religious people are being marginalized through the law.

From the case of a Christian football coach suspended for praying at the 50-yard line, to Christian business owners forced to pay a $135,000 fine for declining to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding, the number of troubling cases directed towards Christians has exploded. In 2011, InterVarsity Christian Fellowship lost their official recognition as a student organization in all of their respective chapters across 23 California public colleges. This occurred because the Christian organization required their respective leaders to uphold a doctrinal statement of Biblical principles, which allegedly conflicted with California State universities’ policies. After four years of embattled negotiations, InterVarsity regained their official recognition in June 2015.

In 2014, Eric Walsh was terminated one week after being hired by the Georgia Department of Public Health (DPH). The basis of termination was alleged undisclosed income from prior employment in California. However, the Georgia DPH knew that Walsh was a Christian preacher outside of work and went to great lengths to review and investigate the content of his sermons posted on YouTube. Georgia officials have even requested copies of Walsh’s sermons, despite prior statements that the

termination had nothing to do with his religious views or affiliations. Walsh is currently suing the Georgia DPH for wrongful termination and religious discrimination. 

The rise of these cases stems partly from a broad cultural shift towards secularism. The Pew Foundation found that those identifying as non-religious in the US rose by seven percent, to 23 percent of the total US adult population within just seven years (2007 to 2014). Anti-Christian entities have been able to leverage the growing secularization of society and culture to their advantage, utilizing the courts as a preferred venue to gradually marginalize and silence Christians. Using the cudgel of “equality,” secular forces in and out of the courts have worked to create a body of law built from one bad precedent after another. Claims of intolerance and inequality are used to fundamentally distort the clear intent of the First Amendment.

The Founders carefully and deliberately placed religious freedom as the first liberty because it encompasses several fundamental rights including thought, speech, expression, and assembly. The First Amendment explicitly grants freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. The essential aim is to protect the right of citizens to practice religion in the public square.

Decades of accumulated poor judicial decisions and precedents have twisted the First Amendment so that the courts, in defiance of the Founders, are pushing religion out of the public square, and into

the small space of private expression. In essence, the courts are deciding that you only have full religious freedom and expression in the church and your home. In the public domain, your religious views and thoughts must be restrained and controlled.

This trend is extremely worrying in the country that has long held the ideal of religious liberty.

While there is no comparison between the life of a Christian in the US with persecuted believers overseas, ICC sees these worrying trends as an alarming indication of a decline in religious liberty in the United States.

 

So... this self-appointed watchdog has placed the US on its list because of a few specific incidents and " a broad cultural shift towards secularism". The "report" closes with 

While there is no comparison between the life of a Christian in the US with persecuted believers overseas, ICC sees these worrying trends as an alarming indication of a decline in religious liberty in the United States.

The report says "no comparison", but the seed headlines that the US is among the twelve worst.

Red meat. Fluff.

Silly nonsense.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov  replied to  Bob Nelson   7 years ago

I assume that you would agree that there is no persecution of gays here either since there is "no comparison" with their lives here and overseas? Your "logic" is baffling.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Cerenkov   7 years ago

Hal,

I have a question for you. Most of your comments are directed towards Christians, and not towards other faiths, like Jews and Muslims. What is the reason for that. (btw... this is not a trick question, just an observation. I phrased my question that way, as to not lead your answer).

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   7 years ago

I suspect it's because Christians don't riot and murder when someone slights them. They are a safe target for theophobia.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Cerenkov   7 years ago

Neither do Jews, Hindus or Buddhist, Cerenkov, so obviously that isn't it. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Cerenkov   7 years ago

American prisons are filled with Christians.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
link   Bob Nelson  replied to  Hal A. Lujah   7 years ago

Hal!

American prisons are filled with Christians.

There you have it!! The undeniable proof that Christians are persecuted -- prosecuted!! -- in America.

waving

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Bob Nelson   7 years ago

And rightfully so!

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov  replied to  Hal A. Lujah   7 years ago

Most are Democrats too.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Cerenkov   7 years ago

Most of them have two arms and two legs too.  Equally relevant.

 

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov  replied to  Hal A. Lujah   7 years ago

Just like the previous comment. Did you comment there too? Or were you blinded by theophobia? 

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
link   sixpick  replied to  Hal A. Lujah   7 years ago

American prisons are filled with Christians.

Well that is true, but America or the USA is made up of approximately 75% Christians according to Gallup, so it would be reasonable to have more Christians in prison if they were committing the same percentage of crimes as the other faiths.

When presented with the question "Why, in the prison system, do blacks comprise 72% of the number of whites in prison?',  when blacks represent 13% of the population and whites represent 72%, it is because of racial profiling and stiffer sentences, disregarding what I see on TV ever night.

Once a victim, always a victim.  Once a victimizer always a victimizer.  The victim card can be used generation after generation even if it is old and outdated like the Constitution. /s

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah  replied to  sixpick   7 years ago

If Christians practiced what they preach, or at least practiced the virtues that Christianity claims to embody, the prisons would be empty of all but us supposedly immoral heathens.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov  replied to  Hal A. Lujah   7 years ago

If Democrats obeyed the law, the prisons would be almost empty. Too bad they espouse so.much violent crime.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   7 years ago

I'd say that's not an accurate reflection of my body of work here.  I've been highly critical of all religions, but since the enormous umbrella of Christianity is what Americans are most taken with, it's going to get the lion's share of my criticism.  Trust me, if someone seeds or authors an article here about how wonderful Islam is, I'll be all over it like stink on shit.  Those articles don't exist here, only ones that highlight how bad Muslims are and how wonderful the 'persecuted' Christians are.

This is America, and you're free to practice whatever religion you want here.  You're also free to practice none, and to mock all of them for their contrasting hypocrisies.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
link   Bob Nelson  replied to  Hal A. Lujah   7 years ago

Hal,

This is America, and you're free to practice whatever religion you want here.  You're also free to practice none, and to mock all of them for their contrasting hypocrisies.

... and you will soon have a new Attorney General to defend your atheist rights. Jeff Sessions.

Good luck!   

      +$%^*(&^  

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Bob Nelson   7 years ago

I don't plan on changing a thing.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
link   Bob Nelson  replied to  Hal A. Lujah   7 years ago

Hal,

You won't have to change anything. Jeff will change it all for you.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Bob Nelson   7 years ago

Thanks Hal, for clearing that up. I wasn't trying to portray you in a negative light, and hence why I said it wasn't a trick question. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   7 years ago

No offense taken.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Bob Nelson   7 years ago

He'd have to change the Constitution.  I wish him luck.

 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
link   Bob Nelson  replied to  Hal A. Lujah   7 years ago

Hal,

He'd have to change the Constitution.

Not exactly. He's have to not uphold the Constitution. I think we know good ol' Jeff well enough to guess how that will go!

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
link   sixpick  replied to  Bob Nelson   7 years ago

He's have to not uphold the Constitution.

That would be unlikely Bob since you can't find any evidence he hasn't always upheld the Constitution in the past.  The person who thinks the Constitution is toilet paper is delighting us with his departure.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
link   Bob Nelson  replied to  sixpick   7 years ago

We shall see, six... 

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
link   sixpick  replied to  Cerenkov   7 years ago

I assume that you would agree that there is no persecution of gays here either since there is "no comparison" with their lives here and overseas? Your "logic" is baffling.

If you want to use the same logic, but the common answer would be, "But that's different".

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov  replied to  sixpick   7 years ago

Right. Hypocrisy is the central plank of the liberal platform. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah    7 years ago

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Dean Moriarty
Professor Quiet
link   Dean Moriarty  replied to  Hal A. Lujah   7 years ago

It's been a struggle Hal. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/03/30/the-first-church-of-cannabis-was-approved-after-indianas-religious-freedom-law-was-passed/?utm_term=.991c39f67fda

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Dean Moriarty   7 years ago

I'm sold!  Praise Cannabesus.

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
link   sixpick  replied to  Hal A. Lujah   7 years ago

I give every comment I read a thumbs up because there is no other way to tell if I have read it unless I read it again.  Some are "Thumbs Up", but it also indicates I read it.  Knowing me you can decide if it represents both.  

Other than that, do they have a "Climate Change" church yet, since it is a religion?   I know they have a "Veggies" church, religion or something like that.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah  replied to  sixpick   7 years ago

I wish you'd stop doing that.  My inbox is filled with emails indicating you like my comments.  Everyone else here seems to get by just fine without having to mark every comment with the only marker that is available.  Maybe Perrie can figure out a way to accommodate your particular condition.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Dean Moriarty   7 years ago

I'd like to point out that Jeff gave Dean's comment a thumbs up.  Hanging loose

 
 
 
Aeonpax
Freshman Silent
link   Aeonpax    7 years ago

I downloaded and read the ".pdf" version report on the OP's link.  Two words: arbitrary and subjective.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Aeonpax   7 years ago

Aren't most discussions Aeon?

 
 
 
Aeonpax
Freshman Silent
link   Aeonpax  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   7 years ago

I'm talking about the report linked in the OP's article , not this discussion.  The article contains this link: "Hall of Shame" report 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Aeonpax   7 years ago

Ah! Thanks for clearing that up! That is subjective.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
link   Bob Nelson  replied to  Aeonpax   7 years ago

Aeonpax,

O-o-o-o-p-s... I wasn't precise in my previous post . It is the "US" portion of the " report " you downloaded. I put "report" between quotation marks, because the issuing body ( International Christian Concern / persecution.org ) indicates no method  and  no criteria for deciding what nations to put on their list.

Your description is perfect: arbitrary and subjective.

Even so, the ICC "report" does not purport to list the "twelve worst", as headlined by the Christian Post . Oh dear... a self-styled "Christian" news site is makin' stuff up...  liar  liar  liar  liar

Hooda thunk it??

 
 
 
Aeonpax
Freshman Silent
link   Aeonpax  replied to  Bob Nelson   7 years ago

I tend to be very terse.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
link   Bob Nelson  replied to  Aeonpax   7 years ago

Aeonpax,

As my Granny taught me, "If you can't say somethin' nice, then don't say nothin' at all!"

... Of course, if we followed Granny's rule here on NT, we would rarely have anything at all to say. 

Terse is good.   peace

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
Professor Quiet
link   Dean Moriarty  replied to  Aeonpax   7 years ago

Same here I try to make it fit on a bumper sticker. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   seeder  XXJefferson51    7 years ago

A simple non partisan article about a rise in persecution of Christians in America in recent years gets this much attention from those who deny it happens.   

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
link   Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51   7 years ago

If you took the time to read the Comments, you'd know that they're almost all off-topic... 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Bob Nelson   7 years ago

I'm aware of that but what can one do when the leader is openly participating in the derailment rather than correcting it?  The article was about an increase in things happening to Christians in America that the article author makes clear is nothing like the severity of what happens to us in other parts of the world.  The goal of the derail seems to be to us frogs to jump back into the sauce pan because the water isn't warm enough yet for us to be concerned about it here.  

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah  replied to  XXJefferson51   7 years ago

You are so pathetic, Jeff.  Your idea of discrimation against Christians involves Christians not being permitted to control the lives of those who don't embrace the specific pieces of religious doctrine that you have selected as worthy.  You have insisted to me that my step son's marriage (and others) to his husband is not real, and that anyone should feel free to turn away anyone who disagrees with that sentiment.  Why aren't you lobbying for men to marry as many women as they please?  Why are you so silent on the Christian divorce rate?  You even insist nonsense like men and women lived for hundreds of years in biblical times is true. What version of the Bible are you trying to follow?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Hal A. Lujah   7 years ago

Sorry but there is a free excercise clause to the constitution that is big enough to provide a conscience clause for those whom doing or participating in an act or event would violate their beliefs.  The conscience clause was around before Obama became president.  To not have conscience clauses to protect the free excercise of a religious belief is to persecute one for that belief.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
link   Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51   7 years ago

 a free excercise clause to the constitution

Oh? I don't know that clause. Could you cite it, please? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Bob Nelson   7 years ago
It's a distinct and enumerated part of the 1st amendment to the constitution, a part of the bill of rights.  
 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51   7 years ago

No the rule is your rights end when they step on my toes. That is what the Constitution says. That applies to religious freedom, too. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   7 years ago

Then the gay couple, Rx buyer, medical professional visitor shouldn't step on the toes of the baker, florist, tux renter, caterer, photographer, hospital, pharmacist,  etc, whose religious freedom rights are being trampled upon when they demand services others could provide but they single out Christian providers with the deliberate intent of enslaving them to to their bidding over their moral religious objection.  Again, it's all about control.  The power of one to trample on the rights of another to coerce them to act against their beliefs.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
link   Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51   7 years ago

If my religion says that I must punch a conservative in the face once a day... 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Bob Nelson   7 years ago

tough guyclose callthumbs down

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
link   Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51   7 years ago

It's a distinct and enumerated part... 

Then you should be able to cite it. 

Or are you just makin' stuff up? 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah  replied to  XXJefferson51   7 years ago

Jeff, you conveniently failed to address my points.  What about plural marriage and divorce?  Why do they get an evangelical pass, while homosexuality gets no such pass?  You are a quintessential buffet Christian.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
link   Bob Nelson  replied to  Hal A. Lujah   7 years ago

In fact, Hal...

Christ never mentioned homosexuality. When a so-called "Christian" complains about anything involving homosexuality, it is a lie. An invention. It is "bearing false witness in the name of the Lord"!

There is absolutely no scriptural basis for hating... anyone at all! Christ's message is about love, and it is all-inclusive: "love your fellows". There is no small print saying "except gays and except Blacks and except..."

Sadly, there are a lot of false Christians in America...

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51   7 years ago

I'm aware of that but what can one do when the leader is openly participating in the derailment rather than correcting it? 

If you feel that I derailed the discussion, 1. you should have been here to warn people to get back on topic and 2. you can get Doswer or 96 to delete my comments, which is more than fair, since you were not here to warn everyone, right after you posted it.  Those are the rules in the CoC. 

*Please note: I responded as a member and so this is not in purple. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   7 years ago

I thought that the coc was something we hold ourselves to because we respect the site and all the members here.  I didn't know that it was voluntary and not something to be followed if one can ignore it as long as they can get away with it, ie no one tattle tales on the violation.  Who am I supposed to appeal to, when you assist the one who led the topic from Christians being persecuted to Indians and then Jews having that happen.  No one who is rational would deny that Indians were persecuted on racial and religious grounds.  Nor would we deny the holocaust or that Jews around the world and here have been persecuted.  I had no problem really with others wanting to mention others that have been persecuted even though the seeded article was about world wide persecution of Christians and how Christian life is more threatened here than it used to be.  

 

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
link   sixpick  replied to  XXJefferson51   7 years ago

A simple non partisan article about a rise in persecution of Christians in America in recent years gets this much attention from those who deny it happens. 

You should have known Christians can't be victims.  They saw it as a threat to usurp their victim card.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  sixpick   7 years ago

Sadly six, you are right.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51   7 years ago

No one said that Christians can't be victims, but the thrust of this article was not about world wide genocide, but that the USA was added to the list because they don't approve of Gay marriage and don't want to bake cakes, etc for them. That is hardly on the scale of what is going on world wide. 

Was I on topic enough for you now XX?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   7 years ago

Are you suggesting it ok to persecute Christians who have certain beliefs and expect to have the free excercise there of?  Prior to the Obama regime Christians and all religious groups could rely on the conscience clause to avoid having to perform an act in their personal or professional lives that conflicted with their personal belief.  After Obama is gone I expect that standard to return at the federal level and that at least 30 states will go with that.  All the major obamacare court rulings side with individual religious exceptions over one size fits all coercion and I expect similar results on the homosexual marriage forced participation as well.  

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov  replied to  XXJefferson51   7 years ago

This site has gotten progressively more theophobic. It's distasteful to see bigotry embraced so ardently by some of our members.

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
Professor Quiet
link   Uncle Bruce    7 years ago

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Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
link   Bob Nelson  replied to  Uncle Bruce   7 years ago
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XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Bob Nelson   7 years ago

Bob, that is off topic and uncalled for. A deliberate off topic derail.  Please remove or I'll ask a moderator to do so.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
link   Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51   7 years ago
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XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Bob Nelson   7 years ago

Maybe you really do need Jesus.   Adding the n word to your prior offense is evil.  Time to report.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
link   Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51   7 years ago

Just for information... the lynched woman's name was Nelson. She was a real person. She was murdered by racists.

Racists also like to post funny cartoons... 

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
Professor Quiet
link   Uncle Bruce  replied to  Bob Nelson   7 years ago

The only one posting racist stuff here is you Bob. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
link   Bob Nelson  replied to  Uncle Bruce   7 years ago
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Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov  replied to  Bob Nelson   7 years ago

Your commitment to racism is noted.

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
Professor Quiet
link   Uncle Bruce  replied to  Bob Nelson   7 years ago

Wait, you think a meme of a woman saying "Y'all need Jesus" is racist?  Because the woman is...black?

You see Bob, I could have posted this one:

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But it has a bad word in it.  Bitches.  And although I find it funny, I didn't want to cheapen XX's article with it.

Of course, I could have done this one:

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But again, it has Motherfuckers in it, and would have been the same as the other one.

But instead, I posted the meme that didn't have any "adult" language.  Ironically, it has a black woman in it.  And leave it to Bob to think that's racist. 

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You remind me of this Bob:

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Seek professional help Bob.  Your racism is glaringly apparent.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
link   Bob Nelson  replied to  Uncle Bruce   7 years ago
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Uncle Bruce
Professor Quiet
link   Uncle Bruce  replied to  Bob Nelson   7 years ago
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Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov    7 years ago
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Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    7 years ago

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