Trump Signs Measure Blocking Obama-Era Rule to Protect Streams

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President Donald Trump signed legislation repealing a regulation meant to protect streams from the effects of coal mining.

The congressional resolution killing the so-called Stream Protection Rule, which was issued in the waning days of the Obama administration, follows similar action by Trump overturning an anti-corruption rule that would have required oil companies to disclose payments to foreign governments. Congressional Republicans have plans to send Trump an array of resolutions under the Congressional Review Act, including one to prevent people with serious mental-health problems from buying guns.

"In eliminating this rule I am continuing to keep my promise to the American people to get rid of wasteful regulations," Trump said at a White House signing ceremony.

Companies such as coal producers Foresight Energy LP and Murray Energy Corp. stand to gain from repeal of the mining rule, which would have required those companies to monitor water quality and restore streams once their mining is complete.

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A. Macarthur
link 02/16/17 09:03:00PM @a-macarthur:

I worship my God while fishing, photographing or just walking by mountain streams.

Trump, one way or another, will kill or sicken us all.

When I heard about this, my first thought was … what will happen to my grandchildren's futures with this fool in the White House, the prostitutes in Congress, and the Organized Wealth assholes who believe that THE MARKETPLACE IS GOD.

1pennsylvaniamountainsteamagurmankin.jpg

 I talk to God in places like this.

© A. Mac/A.G.

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Kavika
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Larry Hampton
link 02/16/17 09:39:47PM @larry-hampton:

The Interior Department, which spent seven years crafting the rule, had said the regulation, which updates 33-year-old regulations, will protect 6,000 miles of streams and 52,000 acres of forests, primarily in Appalachia. It is meant to stop the practice of dumping mining waste in streams and valleys during mountaintop mining. They estimated compliance with the regulation would cost $81 million a year, or 0.1 percent or less of aggregate annual industry revenues, it said.

 

Angry

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Sean Treacy
link 02/16/17 09:40:25PM @s:

The country's streams managed to survive until the regulation was passed a mere 60 days ago. They'll do just fine without it. 

If this is such a big deal, you'd think the Democrats would have bothered to pass an actual law concerning this when they had filibuster proof control of Congress. Instead, they did nothing and waited for a last second regulation. Obviously the democrats didn't care too much about it either.

 

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A. Macarthur
link 02/16/17 09:44:07PM @a-macarthur:

The country's streams managed to survive until 60 days ago without the law. They'll do just fine without it. 

You do not know what you're talking about!

For openers …

EPA: Many U.S. streams badly polluted




More than half the streams and rivers in the United States are in poor condition for aquatic life, the Environmental Protection Agency announced this week.

Major findings of the a huge research and testing effort,  according to an EPA news release, include:

—  Nitrogen and phosphorus are at excessive levels. Twenty-seven percent of the nation’s rivers and streams have excessive levels of nitrogen, and 40 percent have high levels of phosphorus. Too much nitrogen and phosphorus in the water—known as nutrient pollution—causes significant increases in algae, which harms water quality, food resources and habitats, and decreases the oxygen that fish and other aquatic life need to survive. Nutrient pollution has impacted many streams, rivers, lakes, bays and coastal waters for the past several decades, resulting in serious environmental and human health issues, and impacting the economy.

– Streams and rivers are at an increased risk due to decreased vegetation cover and increased human disturbance. These conditions can cause streams and rivers to be more vulnerable to flooding, erosion, and pollution. Vegetation along rivers and streams slows the flow of rainwater so it does not erode stream banks, removes pollutants carried by rainwater and helps maintain water temperatures that support healthy streams for aquatic life. Approximately 24 percent of the rivers and streams monitored were rated poor due to the loss of healthy vegetative cover.

– Increased bacteria levels. High bacteria levels were found in nine percent of stream and river miles making those waters potentially unsafe for swimming and other recreation.

– Increased mercury levels. More than 13,000 miles of rivers have fish with mercury levels that may be unsafe for human consumption. For most people, the health risk from mercury by eating fish and shellfish is not a health concern, but some fish and shellfish contain higher levels of mercury that may harm an unborn baby or young child’s developing nervous system.

Read the full draft National Rivers and Streams Assessment report.


 







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Kavika
link 02/16/17 09:57:12PM @kavika:

Sean, you should really do some research before talking about something that you have little knowledge of.

Check out the DNR reports for lakes, rivers and streams for Wisconsin.

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Cerenkov
link 02/17/17 12:24:28AM @cerenkov:

Well said. More faux outrage.

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Kavika
link 02/17/17 07:15:29AM @kavika:

Once again showing your inability to converse in anything but one liners and lack of knowledge of the subject.

Well done Cerenkov.

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Cerenkov
link 02/17/17 11:27:58AM @cerenkov:

Ridiculous doomsday theories deserve nothing more.

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Kavika
link 02/17/17 12:06:46PM @kavika:

Once again you prove my point, Cerenkov...

 

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Sean Treacy
link 02/16/17 10:09:00PM @s:

Wow. Things are that dire and Obama and the Democrats ignored them for 8 years before passing a midnight regulation that was designed first and foremost to kill the coal industry.  

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Kavika
link 02/16/17 10:12:26PM @kavika:

The Interior Department, which spent seven years crafting the rule, had said the regulation, which updates 33-year-old regulations, will protect 6,000 miles of streams and 52,000 acres of forests, primarily in Appalachia. It is meant to stop the practice of dumping mining waste in streams and valleys during mountaintop mining. They estimated compliance with the regulation would cost $81 million a year, or 0.1 percent or less of aggregate annual industry revenues, it said.

You really don't know anything about it, Sean.

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A. Macarthur
link 02/16/17 10:14:50PM @a-macarthur:

Things are that dire and Obama and the Democrats ignored them for 8 years before passing a midnight regulation that was designed first and foremost to kill the coal industry.  

Citation? Specifics.

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Cerenkov
link 02/17/17 11:28:30AM @cerenkov:

thumbs down

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A. Macarthur
link 02/17/17 01:12:39PM @a-macarthur:

thumbs down

Yeah, Cerenkov … we don't need no stinkin' specifics … why rely on facts when we can simply believe what suits our personal and political agendas?

 

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Dowser
link 02/16/17 10:26:46PM @dowser:

It wasn't designed to kill the coal industry, it was designed to protect drinking water supplies that originate in surface waters.  And it probably took that long for the republicans to agree to it.  So, yeah, living in a coal mining state where tailings, trash, and mine waste is dumped regularly in stream beds, I dread to think what it is doing to the water supplies.  You should see some of our acid mine runoff.  Thanks to a little thing like pyrite, which comes part and parcel with lower grade coals, the water kills fish and aquatic life.  The water is expensive to treat and offers some real problems to the wildlife.

acid mine drainage.jpg

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Buzz of the Orient
link 02/16/17 10:33:15PM @buzz-of-the-orient:

The lakes and rivers in China are a good example of what can happen when there is not much legislation, or enforcement of it, controlling their purity. Although I love fish and seafood, I rarely eat it now for two reasons - where the fish and seafood are from, and the increase in my Uric Acid level causing gout from eating it.

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Dowser
link 02/17/17 01:15:31PM @dowser:

Exactly, Buzz!

We still have areas that are impassable, don't go into those hummocky areas to hike.  You can fall down a hole that you can't see and be gone forever...

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Kavika
link 02/16/17 10:38:59PM @kavika:

Dowser, what the problem with polluted streams whose water is undrinkable, dead  fish and aquatic life. Hey the mining companies are making some more dollars. It the taxpayer who will have to pay to clean up the mining companies mess.

As long as the mining companies can make more money and the taxpayer has to pay for their screw up, it's all fair in the world of the RW'ers.

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Dowser
link 02/17/17 12:54:33PM @dowser:

It certainly seems to be true...  The coal mines have raped the land here for so long...  To provide jobs, for sure, but at the detriment of the environment, i.e. clean air and water.  Not to mention destruction of the landscape.  To remove this rule that will only cost 0.1% to enforce, seems to me to be very short-sighted. I'm all for jobs for the coal miners, but there has to be a way to keep them employed without such destruction.  And what kind of job is it?  One that is VERY dangerous, that gives the miners Black Lung disease, that only pays for 6 months per year.  Etc.   BTW, all those with Black Lung Disease are on the public dole, paid for by the taxpayers, not the coal mines.  

Y'all have heard of Paradise, KY?  Well, it's true-- the Peabody Coal Co. has hauled it away...  

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Here is an article about how dirty the coal plant is, and how the TVA is closing some of it down... http://valleywatch.net/?p=3422

 

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Dean Moriarty
link 02/16/17 10:12:47PM @dean-moriarty:

I hope it's just the tip of the iceberg of the getting rid of these needless regulations. Hopefully next they will reopen many of the trails around here that were closed during the Obama tree hugger years. 

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Hal A. Freeganlujah
link 02/17/17 11:37:36AM @hal-a-freeganlujah:

Maybe we can finally level your local landscape by scraping the tops of your mountains off and dumping the mess into your streams and valleys.  You seem to think that all that matters is an outcome involving a bump in the economy, so I assume you won't mind it in your back yard.

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Jonathan P
link 02/17/17 11:00:47AM @jonathan-p:

I would shudder at the thought of poisoning our streams, or for that matter, any other part of anything we would come into physical contact with. I think it's important to protect our environment.

That said, I have read that a great deal of the language of the Obama laws was very broad, and extended not only to the areas in question, but also the mining activity that was not in a position to affect the environment.

Are these people lying?

 

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Dowser
link 02/17/17 12:57:46PM @dowser:

I, personally, know of no coal mining activity that doesn't affect the environment in some way.  The "cleanest" coal was the Elkhorn #7 seam, which is now all gone.  Some of those abandoned mines are used as water supplies in the eastern part of the state.  But that was all mined out in the 1960s.

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A. Macarthur
link 02/17/17 11:13:42AM @a-macarthur:

 mining activity that was not in a position to affect the environment.

Jonathan,

Off the top of my head, I cannot think of any "mining activity" that is not, in one way, shape or form, potentially in a position to affect the environment.

But, if you can cite any, I will keep an open mind.

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Jonathan P
link 02/17/17 11:26:02AM @jonathan-p:

Off the top of my head, I cannot think of any "mining activity" that is not, in one way, shape or form, potentially in a position to affect the environment.

We've been mining coal in this country since before we were a country. I understand the potential, but I'm sure that there has been mining that did not result in an adverse affect on the environment.

I'm trying to weigh the cost vs the benefit of this enterprise to our country. We have been mining coal here for centuries, and there has been an adverse affect on certain areas, while no adverse affect in others. My impression is that this bill sought to put an end to this industry in the US.

Is that correct?

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Dean Moriarty
link 02/17/17 11:42:42AM @dean-moriarty:

It wasn't a bill it was just regulations put in place by one of Obamas executive agencies. 

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A. Macarthur
link 02/17/17 11:44:47AM @a-macarthur:

We've been mining coal in this country since before we were a country. I understand the potential, but I'm sure that there has been mining that did not result in an adverse affect on the environment.

There are numerous damaging environmental impacts of coal that occur through its mining, preparation, combustion, waste storage, and transport. This article provides an overview. Each topic is explored in greater depth in separate articles, as are several related topics:


  • Acid mine drainage (AMD) refers to the outflow of acidic water from coal mines or metal mines, often abandoned mines where ore- or coal mining activities have exposed rocks containing the sulphur-bearing mineral pyrite. Pyrite reacts with air and water to form sulphuric acid and dissolved iron, and as water washes through mines, this compound forms a dilute acid, which can wash into nearby rivers and streams.[1]





  • Coal dust stirred up during the mining process, as well as released during coal transport, which can cause severe and potentially deadly respiratory problems.[6]


  • Coal fires occur in both abandoned coal mines and coal waste piles. Internationally, thousands of underground coal fires are burning now. Global coal fire emissions are estimated to include 40 tons of mercury going into the atmosphere annually, and three percent of the world's annual carbon dioxide emissions.[7][8]


  • Coal combustion waste is the nation's second largest waste stream after municipal solid waste.[9] It is disposed of in landfills or "surface impoundments," which are lined with compacted clay soil, a plastic sheet, or both. As rain filters through the toxic ash pits year after year, the toxic metals are leached out into the local environment.[10][11]


  • Coal sludge, also known as slurry, is the liquid coal waste generated by washing coal. It is typically disposed of at impoundments located near coal mines, but in some cases it is directly injected into abandoned underground mines. Since coal sludge contains toxins, leaks or spills can endanger underground and surface waters.[2]




  • Greenhouse gas emissions caused by surface mining - According to a 2010 study, mountaintop removal mining releases large amounts of carbon through clearcutting and burning of trees and through releases of carbon in soil brought to the surface by mining operations. These greenhouse gas emissions amount to at least 7% of conventional power plant emissions.[14][15]


  • Loss or degradation of groundwater - Since coal seams are often serve as underground aquifers, removal of coal beds may result in drastic changes in hydrology after mining has been completed.


  • Radical disturbance of 8.4 million acres of farmland, rangeland, and forests, most of which has not been reclaimed -- See The footprint of coal


  • Heavy metals and coal - Coal contains many heavy metals, as it is created through compressed organic matter containing virtually every element in the periodic table - mainly carbon, but also heavy metals. The heavy metal content of coal varies by coal seam and geographic region. Small amounts of heavy metals can be necessary for health, but too much may cause acute or chronic toxicity (poisoning). Many of the heavy metals released in the mining and burning of coal are environmentally and biologically toxic elements, such as leadmercurynickeltincadmiumantimony, and arsenic, as well as radio isotopes of thorium and strontium.[16][17][18]


  • Mercury and coal - Emissions from coal-fired power plants are the largest source of mercury in the United States, accounting for about 41 percent (48 tons in 1999) of industrial releases.[19]



  • Mountaintop removal mining and other forms of surface mining can lead to the drastic alteration of landscapes, destruction of habitat, damages to water supplies, and air pollution. Not all of these effects can be adequately addressed through coal mine reclamation.


  • Particulates and coal - Particulate matter (PM) includes the tiny particles of fly ash and dust that are expelled from coal-burning power plants.[21] Studies have shown that exposure to particulate matter is related to an increase of respiratory and cardiac mortality.[22] [23]


  • Radioactivity and coal - Coal contains minor amounts of the radioactive elements, uranium and thorium. When coal is burned, the fly ash contains uranium and thorium "at up to 10 times their original levels."[24]


  • Subsidence - Land subsidence may occur after any type of underground mining, but it is particularly common in the case of longwall mining.[25]


  • Sulfur dioxide and coal - Coal-fired power plants are the largest human-caused source of sulfur dioxide, a pollutant gas that contributes to the production of acid rain and causes significant health problems. Coal naturally contains sulfur, and when coal is burned, the sulfur combines with oxygen to form sulfur oxides.[26]


  • Thermal pollution from coal plants is the degradation of water quality by power plants and industrial manufacturers - when water used as a coolant is returned to the natural environment at a higher temperature, the change in temperature impacts organisms by decreasing oxygen supply, and affecting ecosystem composition.[27]


  • Toxins - According to a July 2011 NRDC report, "How Power Plants Contaminate Our Air and States" electricity generation in the U.S. releases 381,740,601 lbs. of toxic air pollution annually, or 49% of total national emissions, based on data from the EPA’s Toxic Release Inventory (2009 data, accessed June 2011). Power plants are the leading sources of toxic air pollution in all but four of the top 20 states by electric sector emissions.



  • Waste coal, also known as "culm," "gob," or "boney," is made up of unused coal mixed with soil and rock from previous mining operations. Runoff from waste coal sites can pollute local water supplies.[28]



  • Water pollution from coal includes the negative health and environmental effects from the mining, processing, burning, and waste storage of coal.
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Dowser
link 02/17/17 01:01:44PM @dowser:

I'm not being mean to you, ok?  But when I was a kid, not THAT long ago, we used mercury in thermometers and when they broke, we had a fine time playing with it...  We know better than to do that, now.  We have learned a lot in the past 60 years...

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Buzz of the Orient
link 02/18/17 12:56:46AM @buzz-of-the-orient:

Ha ha Dowser. You just awakened my memories of doing just that - playing with mercury when I was a kid.  Here I am at the age of 80 and still kicking physically and (hopefully my comments don't indicate otherwise) mentally. LOL

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Dowser
link 02/18/17 12:07:08PM @dowser:

My child car seat hooked over the front bench seat, much like a swimming pool ladder at the side of a pool, and had a steering wheel and a mirror attached, along with a gear shift.  Stop suddenly and we were all impaled.  Of course, we know better by now, but back then, the goal was to keep the kid quiet and occupied...  Its amazing that any of us survived childhood!

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Buzz of the Orient
link 02/18/17 06:44:39PM @buzz-of-the-orient:

Back when I was little, we didn't have a car seat at all. But I remember sitting on my father's lap while he was driving, letting me steer. You're right, it's a wonder we lived through those days.

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Dowser
link 02/18/17 07:11:15PM @dowser:

I remember the same!!!  thumbs up

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XXJefferson#51
link 02/18/17 08:54:58PM @xxjefferson51:

Me too! 

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ArkansasHermit-too
link 02/19/17 11:07:16AM @arkansashermit-too:

Back when I was little, we didn't have a car seat at all

 

Ha!

That brought back to mind our long family drives back in the 50's.

Three young boys falling asleep in the back of the car.

Being the oldest I always called the Window bed;

I liked looking up at the stars as we drove through the night.

 

Middle son got the back, bench seat and youngest son slept down in the floorboards after the parents leveled it out with pillows, luggage and such, to lessen the hump of the drive shaft.

 

 

Anyone remember suicide doors?