White House Admits Trump 'Insurance For Everybody' Guarantee Isn't Going To Happen

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WASHINGTON ― White House Budget Director Mick Mulvaney threw cold water on the promise that “everybody” would get health insurance under GOP legislation ― a promise that was made by none other than President Donald Trump himself. 

“We don’t have universal ― the only way to have universal care, if you stop to think about it, is to force people to buy it under penalty of law,” Mulvaney said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week.”

The expectation of everyone in the nation getting health insurance if Trump took office came from promises he himself made.


“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said in January. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.” 



In 2015, Trump similarly told CBS’s “60 Minutes,” “Everybody’s got to be covered.”

But the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office made clear in its recent analysis that there’s no way everyone will get insurance under the GOP’s American Health Care Act. Instead, 24 million people stand to lose coverage over the next decade.

Last week, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer started to add caveats to Trump’s promise, saying it was less of a promise and more of a “goal.” He said Trump’s plan would create lower costs and give “more people the option to have health care.”


“Everybody has a choice to get it,” Spicer added, “and I think that’s what we want to do is give everyone who wants to get health care the financial ability to get it.”

Mulvaney, however, was more direct Sunday, just admitting that “insurance for everybody” is impossible, since Republicans refuse to put in place a mandate to buy insurance. (And they’re not interested in a single-payer system, which would also offer universal insurance access.)

“What you’ve got now is we’re forcing people to buy it under Obamacare under penalty of law and people are still looking for a way not to buy it,” he said. “So clearly the government mandate doesn’t work. The better process, the better function is exactly what we’re trying to do now, which is to encourage people and enable them to buy a policy they want and can afford.”

The CBO also took issue with the White House’s claim that health care will suddenly be significantly more affordable. It found, for example, that a 64-year-old person who makes $26,500 could face an increase in his or her premiums from $1,700 now to $14,600 under the GOP bill. 

“The only way to get truly universal care is to throw people in jail if they don’t have it. And we are not going to do that,” Mulvaney added.

Obamacare actually specifically bars the federal government from throwing anyone in jail if they don’t purchase health insurance. People do face a tax penalty, but the law also says the IRS can’t use liens or levies on property as enforcement tools. 



 


 

 

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Kavika
link 03/19/17 10:52:17PM @kavika:

Opppppsssss

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Randy
link 03/19/17 11:32:53PM @randy:

“We don’t have universal ― the only way to have universal care, if you stop to think about it, is to force people to buy it under penalty of law,” Mulvaney said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week.”

You wouldn't have to force anyone to buy it or throw anyone in jail if you just had national health insurance. Everyone is covered. Problem solved. We can then move on to the next major issue. Ending free agency in sports.

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Kavika
link 03/19/17 11:48:24PM @kavika:

But national health care is a socialist plot to overthrow the capitalists in the U.S.

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Randy
link 03/19/17 11:52:38PM @randy:

I know! Ain't it great!Party

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Kavika
link 03/20/17 12:10:12AM @kavika:

It's great to see the republicans changing course every day on the health care plan of theirs.

And they had 6 years to come up with one, yet here they are bungling away.

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Randy
link 03/20/17 12:38:27AM @randy:

B...b...but Kavika! No one knew healthcare was so complicated!

The truth is that the GOP is great at opposing things, but they are shit when they actually have to try to govern. They just are not built that way. They simply do not know how to govern.

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Kavika
link 03/20/17 12:24:39PM @kavika:

This health plan, six years in the making, is a perfect example of their inability to construct anything that is viable.

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A. Macarthur
link 03/20/17 12:33:03PM @a-macarthur:

ONE MORE TIME!

As Republicans, now in control of the White House, the Senate and the House of Representatives set out to repeal Obamacare, seriously erode Medicaid and end programs like Meals on Wheels, should they succeed, a significant number of Americans will suffer, and certainly, some will dieI

 

I therefor propose a means of holding them accountable … as follows …

 

A series of BILLBOARDS … LITERALLY BILLBOARDS … to be placed in heavily traveled and populated locations in every state in the United States …to read as follows:

 

billboard.jpg

 

While I readily concede that not all serious, untreated illnesses and deaths befalling uninsured and undernourished victims would be directly attributable to this legislation, nevertheless, in a post-Obamacare, etc. era, dire outcomes should be definitively attributed to the politicians/legislators whose decisions take from the needy to fatten the already fat and wealthy!

 

Instead of reforming the insurance industry and our health care system by passing laws to protect Americans and prevent us from having to choose between sickness, life, death or personal bankruptcy, Trump and a Republican Congress appear to be on their way to “Making America Great Again” for Corporations, CEOs and oligarchs rather than for the average “Joe”.

 

As it is often posited, “Elections have consequences”. 

 

Of greater consequences, are laws that put budgets and political agendas above the basic needs of human beings!

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Randy
link 03/20/17 06:22:00PM @randy:

I think that is a great idea. Put human names and faces on the deadly results of their cold hearted actions! And also post them right next to the home offices of every Congressperson and Senator who votes in favor of this obscene bill, if it passes or not!

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jwc2blue
link 03/20/17 06:29:33PM @jwc2blue:

I think that every Drumpf voter and republican should have to have DrumpfCare for two years or until we can figure out what the Hell is going on.

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Randy
link 03/20/17 06:35:12PM @randy:

Actually a disproportionate number of people who will be screwed by this phony healthcare bill are people who voted for Trump. They believed his lies and now he is fucking them. When this fact was pointed out to him the other day on TV all he said was "I know." Nothing else. No I'll try to fix that or I'm sorry it's going to be that way or I'm sorry more of my supporters are going to lose their insurance. Nothing. Ain't Karma a bitch?

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jwc2blue
link 03/20/17 06:59:47PM @jwc2blue:

Actually a disproportionate number of people who will be screwed by this phony healthcare bill are people who voted for Trump. They believed his lies and now he is fucking them. When this fact was pointed out to him the other day on TV all he said was "I know." 

Yeah, but so far the only thing that seems to be giving them "buyers remorse" is when it affects them, specifically. 

Up until know the only reaction they've had to their fellow Americans getting shafted has been; "Well, they should have worked harder." Or "They can go to Canada" Or "Their failed policies is why Drumpf won. Get over it."

These are the so-called "Christians" who almost seem to take a perverse joy in seeing others suffer.

Now that the orthopedic appliance is on the other foot, they want everyone to pity them. 

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deepwaterdon
link 03/20/17 06:46:38PM @deepwaterdon:

Oooopppssssss....... The sound in every red state, where voters got Trump elected. Actually is the collective sound all across America, of those who voted for Trump, sticking their heads back up their asses. Imagine reverse suction.

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deepwaterdon
link 03/20/17 06:48:14PM @deepwaterdon:

K... Where are the 'moles'?

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Kavika
link 03/20/17 06:52:22PM @kavika:

LOL dd....their hiding.

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Hal A. Lujah
link 03/20/17 06:51:08PM @hal-a-lujah:

Raise your hand if you believed Donald Trump.  Those of you with your hand up, slap yourself.  Hard.

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The_Jewel
link 03/20/17 07:40:04PM @the-jewel:

You and a bunch of other LWFW's believed him, otherwise why would the snowflakes be cowering in fear all the time.

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A. Macarthur
link 03/20/17 07:48:43PM @a-macarthur:

You and a bunch of other LWFW's believed him, otherwise why would the snowflakes be cowering in fear all the time.

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Randy
link 03/20/17 07:55:52PM @randy:

I don't understand why some on the right call people snowflakes when it is originally an alt right, Aryan slang word meaning the ashes of human beings floating out of the crematoriums in the death camps?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Snowflake

So that would mean that anyone who calls another a snowflake is a neo-Nazi.

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Cerenkov
link 03/20/17 08:07:57PM @cerenkov:

"So that would mean that anyone who calls another a snowflake is a neo-Nazi."

More failed logic...

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Randy
link 03/20/17 08:15:00PM @randy:

Referring to someone, usually the Alt-Right, Yiannopoulos, And Nazi Sympathizers (A.K.A. ARYANS), whose immense white fragility causes a meltdown when confronted with the most minute deviation from orthodox White Supremacy. They often cry bloody murder when expected to give the most modest expression of basic human decency.

But the ARYANS succeeded in poisoning the well on calling people "snowflakes," when it became widely understood that they were using it as a euphemism for the human ashes falling in Nazi Germany when they were burning people.

The original snowflakes were alt right and Nazi sympathizers. Aryans whose immense white fragility causes a meltdown when confronted with the most minute deviation from orthodox White Supremacy.

If someone calls me a snowflake then they are using a slang word that refers to themselves as Neo-Nazis.

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Cerenkov
link 03/20/17 08:25:30PM @cerenkov:

Cool, so when Hitler appropriated the swastiska, Nazis became Buddhists?

The first use of a term or symbol is the only one that matters now?

In any case, it's still false logic.

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Randy
link 03/20/17 08:35:58PM @randy:

No, but Hitler made the Swastika uniquely Nazi. When most people see it that is what they think of. In this case snowflake started out as just that, a flake of snow, but then it became a referral to an Aryan/White Supremacist because they could not stand up to criticism. Taking a slang word that refers to Aryans and trying to use it to refer to people on the left is extremely absurd.

It's like when the Tea Party adopted the tea bag as their symbol without thinking of what other meaning it had for many people. It was absurd. So is using snowflake.

The failed logic is on the right wing for using the word, not the left. They picked it without looking at it's Urban slang meaning. Just like the tea party it's their fuck up.

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Cerenkov
link 03/20/17 08:50:26PM @cerenkov:

Nope. Still bad logic. If Hitler could ignore thousands of years of Buddhist and Hindu meaning, we can ignore slang versions of the meaning of precious snowflake. You can't have it both ways. That's what snowflakes do.

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Randy
link 03/20/17 08:56:13PM @randy:

Say what you want. Believe what you want. My logic is every bit as good as yours. You look at it your way and I'll look at it mine. Anyone who uses the word snowflake politically is using it as a referral to a neo-Nazi, which I am not.

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Cerenkov
link 03/20/17 09:07:35PM @cerenkov:

The students who needed playdoh and coloring books after the election were snowflakes.

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Randy
link 03/20/17 09:10:04PM @randy:

Were they neo-Nazi children? If not, then they were not really snowflakes.

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Cerenkov
link 03/21/17 10:33:11AM @cerenkov:

Yes they were. They meltdown at room temperature. 

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A. Macarthur
link 03/20/17 09:34:26PM @a-macarthur:

The students who needed playdoh and coloring books after the election were snowflakes.

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Buzz of the Orient
link 03/20/17 11:30:03PM @buzz-of-the-orient:

One cannot deny that snowflakes are beautiful...

snowflakes.jpg

...it's just that they melt and disappear when the heat is turned on them.

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Kavika
link 03/21/17 10:35:48AM @kavika:

And if you fall into a snow bank, made up of snowflakes hypothermia sets it. Resulting in a total brain freeze.

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Hal A. Lujah
link 03/20/17 08:04:50PM @hal-a-lujah:

Are you on crack?

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Randy
link 03/20/17 08:08:26PM @randy:

I tried it once about 25 years ago. Didn't have any effect on me. No buzz at all. So I didn't smoke any again. How about you?

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Hal A. Lujah
link 03/20/17 08:33:28PM @hal-a-lujah:

It was cornholio I was asking, but I'd say somebody sold you some bunk 25 years ago.

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Randy
link 03/20/17 08:40:03PM @randy:

Yeah, what could I expect from a $100 a night hooker from South Central anyway?

I was pretty crazy back then.

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The_Jewel
link 03/21/17 12:23:29AM @the-jewel:

Duck and cover Hal.  It might just get you though the day. 

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JohnRussell
link 03/20/17 08:26:22PM @johnrussell:

I think we will have universal national health care sometime in the period of 10-15 years from now. It's coming, hang in there everyone, if you can. 

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Hal A. Lujah
link 03/20/17 08:35:29PM @hal-a-lujah:

Will we survive the economic collapse that will come with it?

 

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The_Jewel
link 03/21/17 12:26:34AM @the-jewel:

It would be a wonder if you could survive a 4th of July sparkler with all that snowflakiness.

 

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A. Macarthur
link 03/21/17 09:26:25AM @a-macarthur:

It would be a wonder if you could survive a 4th of July sparkler with all that snowflakiness.

We'll see who melts if/when there are indictments against members of the Trump campaign/administration; and no one whined longer and louder than you boys when crying "conspiracy" regarding Trump/Russia collusion.

Other than that …

“Mockery is the sure mark of the cynic, unredeemed and cut off from salvation.” 
― Janny WurtsInitiate's Trial

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Randy
link 03/20/17 08:43:00PM @randy:

I hope universal health care will happen, but I am just hoping that Ryan and company keep their paws off from Medicare until it does. I literally could not live without my meds and therapy.

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Kavika
link 03/21/17 08:12:05AM @kavika:

You can bet that will be Ryan's next target if he is successful with the health care plan..So far the health care plan is going to be his undoing though.

Hopefully it's all going to explode in the republicans faces, and it's heading in that direction.

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deepwaterdon
link 03/21/17 10:47:41AM @deepwaterdon:

And the Orange Peckerwood just lit the fuse, last night in KY.

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jwc2blue
link 03/20/17 11:06:01PM @jwc2blue:

An insurance industry guy was explaining how DrumpfCare will really screw the insurance companies. 

They depend on healthy people in the pool to offset the cost of those who need care.

Without a mandate and just a tiny penalty for only buying insurance once they need it, those healthy people will figure out pretty quick that paying premiums is for suckers.

That Drumpf, one Hell of a businessman, yeah? /s

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Dean Moriarty
link 03/21/17 09:34:47AM @dean-moriarty:

Screw that Obamacare corporate welfare if they can't survive on their own screw em. Let the free market function the way it is intended the strong companies will thrive and the weak poorly run will die off. 

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jwc2blue
link 03/21/17 10:12:08AM @jwc2blue:

In classic libertarian fashion, you predictably fail to look past your own self interest.

What do you think that the situation that DrumpfCare will mean to the insurance premiums of responsible people? 

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deepwaterdon
link 03/21/17 10:50:00AM @deepwaterdon:

Dean cannot think past his 'bunker mentality'. He's got his, screw everyone else.

Say it isn't so, Dean.

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