the darkest moment in Presidential history.

  
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Not clear if you could convict him of attempted murder of the Vice President but not clear you couldn't. This has to be the darkest moment in Presidential history.

2:14 PM · Jun 16, 2022·Twitter Web App

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Holy crap - the "mike pence didn't have the courage" tweet came after he knew the mob was already violent and looking for Pence. Breach of capitol came shortly thereafter, by marauders arguing "Hang Mike Pence." A Proud Boys informant told DOJ they would have killed Pence.


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JohnRussell
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1  author  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

Harry Litman teaches constitutional law at UCLA and is legal affairs columnist for the Los Angeles Times. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  author  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

Some people say Trump did not instigate the mob, but what do you call his tweets about Pence, at least one of which was read out loud to a portion of the mob by one of their own?

There is no doubt this was a dark dark day for the US presidency. 

 
 
 
Lucifer Morningstar
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2.1  Lucifer Morningstar  replied to  JohnRussell @2    one week ago

Given the current state of affairs in the US and the WH there is no doubt these are the darkest days of the presidency.

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @2.1    one week ago

Obtuse. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.2  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @2.1.1    one week ago
Obtuse.

Maybe to the uninformed and illiterate, however, those of us with ours eyes wide open see this as nothing but the truth.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2.1.3  bbl-1  replied to  Dulay @2.1.1    one week ago

Nah.  Just MAGA.  The, "I'm like a really smart guy," cult.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  bbl-1 @2.1.3    one week ago

Says the fact less one, bug

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1.6  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @2.1.2    one week ago

Yet again an illustration of a failure to produce thoughtful commentary and instead spew pure trolling commentary.

Never in our history has a PotUS put his V.P. in such a precarious position and then publicly bad-mouth him even after an angry mob had stormed the Capitol where he was presiding.   This is a major stain on the office of the presidency and is historically unique and serious.

Lucifer, big surprise, enters with a trollish deflection to Biden and you blindly agree and then start casting witless and entirely absurd ("uninformed","illiterate") aspersions.

Net negative to the site.

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.7  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @2.1.2    one week ago

No bugsy, even the uninformed and illiterate know that Nixon set the low water mark for the Presidency and Trump went even lower. Only Trump sycophants are still spewing or supporting that obtuse bullshit. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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2.1.8  al Jizzerror  replied to  bbl-1 @2.1.3    one week ago
The, "I'm like a really smart guy," cult.

Trump claimed he's a "stable genius".

He's actually an unstable idiot.

Here's Trump looking at the eclipse.

800

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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2.1.9  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  al Jizzerror @2.1.8    one week ago

At least Trump knows where to look.

Biden is more worried about finding an ADA toilet with handrails, as the eclipse occurs. smile

 
 
 
Lucifer Morningstar
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2.1.10  Lucifer Morningstar  replied to  al Jizzerror @2.1.8    one week ago

I don’t think he’s a genius but the  Democrats in office right now are doing their best to make him look like one.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.11  CB   replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @2.1.10    one week ago

Actually democrats and two republicans are doing the job of helping some conservatives see what a mentally deficit SORE LOSER  looks like:

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Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.12  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @2.1.10    one week ago

By comparison, some most certainly are.

 
 
 
Lucifer Morningstar
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2.2  Lucifer Morningstar  replied to  JohnRussell @2    one week ago

I would have said the same thing about pence.  He was an empty suit and clearly the choice like most VP's was meant to appeal to a certain demographic.

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2.1  Dulay  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @2.2    one week ago
He was an empty suit and clearly the choice like most VP's was meant to appeal to a certain demographic.

We knew that in Indiana from the get-go. Pence appeals to the thumpers and he's counting on them to support him in his 2024 bid. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3  Greg Jones    2 weeks ago

"There is no doubt this was a dark dark day for the US presidency."

Indeed it was. But the country easily survived a spontaneous protest that got out of hand. If this had been a planned and organized insurrection, it probably would have succeeded, considering how unprepared the authorities were, despite the warnings of possible violence..

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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3.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  Greg Jones @3    2 weeks ago
spontaneous protest

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.2  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @3    2 weeks ago

IMO, that is the winner of the most delusional comment of the week. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  Greg Jones @3    2 weeks ago
a spontaneous protest

I really need to find out who printed the t-shirts some of them were wearing.  They do some damn fast work, when asked to print something for a "spontaneous" protest.

Also, the people who erected the gallows "spontaneously" - there's a market for carpentry right now, if they're looking for work, although it appeared workmanship might be lacking.  But hey, I admire a guy who carries a bunch of lumber in his car.  You never know when you might want to "spontaneously" hang the VPOTUS for doing his job.

Jesus H. Christ, what a stupid comment.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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3.3.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.3    one week ago
I really need to find out who printed the t-shirts some of them were wearing.  They do some damn fast work, when asked to print something for a "spontaneous" protest.

Yep.

I guess those "spontaneous shirts" were woven during Trump's incitement speech.

800

800

WTF?

Is that a cattle prod tipped Trump flag?

 
 
 
Ender
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3.3.2  Ender  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.3.1    one week ago

Idiots look like giggling little school kids. Proud of themselves.

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.3.3  Dulay  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.3.1    one week ago

I don't know about the flagpole but they're wearing 'sap' knuckled gloves just like my LEO daddy did in '68. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.3.4  Greg Jones  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.3    one week ago

"Jesus H. Christ, what a stupid comment."

Nope,  just me playing the devil's advocate and being a smart ass.

Since Pelosi and The DC cops were amply warned, why wasn't the building secured?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3.3.5  sandy-2021492  replied to  Greg Jones @3.3.4    one week ago

Of course, there's also this:

According to a report released last month, Christopher Miller, who served as acting Secretary of the Defense on Jan. 6,   told   the Department’s inspector general that he feared “if we put U.S. military personnel on the Capitol, I would have created the greatest Constitutional crisis probably since the Civil War.” In congressional   testimony , he said he was also cognizant of “fears that the President would invoke the Insurrection Act to politicize the military in an anti-democratic manner” and that “factored into my decisions regarding the appropriate and limited use of our Armed Forces to support civilian law enforcement during the Electoral College certification.”
Miller does not specify who held the fears that Trump would invoke the Insurrection Act, and he wasn’t asked by Congress. However, it’s now clear that such concerns were shared by General Mark Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as well as former CIA Director and at the time Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. Before Nov. 3, Milley and Pompeo confided in one another that they had a persistent worry Trump would try to use the military in an attempt to hold onto power if he lost the election, the   Washington Post’s   Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker   reported . “This military’s not going to be used,” Milley assured Pompeo.
 
 
 
Dulay
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3.3.6  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @3.3.4    one week ago
Since Pelosi and The DC cops were amply warned, why wasn't the building secured?

WHEN will you and yours get it through your fucking heads that Pelosi isn't responsible for Capitol security AND that the DC cops have NO jurisdiction on Capitol grounds? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3.7  Tessylo  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.3.1    one week ago
"Is that a cattle prod tipped Trump flag?"

Yeah, they like to stick them up their own asses

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.3.8  Greg Jones  replied to  Dulay @3.3.6    one week ago

So who's responsible for the security of the Capitol complex??   jrSmiley_123_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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3.3.9  al Jizzerror  replied to  Ender @3.3.2    one week ago
Proud of themselves.

Lil Proud Boyz?

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.3.10  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @3.3.6    one week ago
WHEN will you and yours get it through your fucking heads

Why don't you get it through your thick skull that she is in charge of the commander of the capital police...which means...she is in charge and responsible.

Your little attempt at defending the witch will always fail.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3.11  Tessylo  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.3.9    one week ago

Pay no attention to the fact less one, bug

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.3.12  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @3.3.10    one week ago
Why don't you get it through your thick skull that she is in charge of the commander of the capital police...which means...she is in charge and responsible.

Prove it bugsy. 

Your little attempt at defending the witch will always fail.

As usual, you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. PROVE that Nancy Pelosi is in charge of the commander of the capitol police. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.3.13  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @3.3.8    one week ago

You could have searched for the answer to your question in the same time it took you post that comment Greg. But here, I'll hold your hand this one time and give you a link:

Capitol Police Bo ard | United States Capitol Police (uscp.gov)

Here's another one:

Oversight | United States Capitol Police (uscp.gov)

The Congress, both the House and Senate, has oversight of the Capitol Police Board. 

Hand holding OVER. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.3.14  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @3.3.8    one week ago

So, you and your thumbs up buddies are more than willing to spew dispersions but when FACTS are posted silence ensues. 

The fact is, that isn't the first time I've posted those links to illustrate members willful ignorance and I have no doubt that in the future the usual suspects will try and pretend they never saw it and rinse and repeat your question. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.3.15  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @3.3.12    one week ago
Prove it bugsy. 

Very easily done for the uninformed.

Their are 4 House and Senate committees responsible for the Capitol police.

2 House 2 Senate.

So I was only half right.

Both Pelosi and Schumer were in charge of the Capitol police.

They both fucked up.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.3.16  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @3.3.14    one week ago
I've posted those links

Which did not tell the full story.

But we expected that.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.3.17  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @3.3.15    one week ago
Very easily done for the uninformed.

I would advise you to tone down on that bold snark since you clearly do not understand what an oversight board is and how it works.

For operational decisions (especially real-time), the top official is the chief of police.   Not the oversight board.    Oversight boards deal with longer term considerations that focus more on structure, staffing, funding, efficacy, compliance, etc.    The board does not deploy forces, etc.

 
 
 
CB
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3.3.18  CB   replied to  al Jizzerror @3.3.1    one week ago

Yeah, I remember reports that some were carrying cattle prods. Also, those gloves. . . and so we can presume those are steel-toed boots? If anyone was injured or assaulted by one of this trio, the injured should demand max payouts for it.

 
 
 
CB
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3.3.19  CB   replied to  bugsy @3.3.10    one week ago

And when will you get it through your skull that had those insurrectionists been presented with a force component, somebody would be mopping up their butts from off the capitol grounds. Properly secured, there would be no way whatsoever, any security or policing agents would allow the Vice-President and the Speaker of the House, the second and third successors to the presidency to be captured.

Thus, a woman was killed being a menace to the capitol forces, all for nothing. Donald Trump was told his activities were futile and bullshit. Which, by the way, Pence 'seconded' when he refused to execute, carry-out, a Trump 'order.' Trump was wrong to even ask it.

But, here you are looking for alternatives to keep the fraud alive. Weak.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.3.20  Gsquared  replied to  bugsy @3.3.15    one week ago
Both Pelosi and Schumer were in charge of the Capitol police.

Wrong again.  Schumer did not become Majority Leader until January 20, 2021.  McConnell was the Majority Leader, and ran the Senate, from January 3, 2015 to January 20, 2021.

Very easily done for the uninformed, right?

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.3.21  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @3.3.15    one week ago
Very easily done for the uninformed.

Your following statement refutes that claim. 

Their are 4 House and Senate committees responsible for the Capitol police.

2 House 2 Senate.

So I was only half right.

Both Pelosi and Schumer were in charge of the Capitol police.

They both fucked up.

Neither Pelosi nor Schumer are members of either of those Committees bugsy. 

H/T to Gsquared for correcting your false claim about Schumer. 

It's obtuse to link the website while failing to acknowledge it's content. 

It should be obvious to our readers that you failed to acknowledge the existence of the Capitol Police Board, whose member are the ones who are actually responsible for the Capitol Police.

Your comment is a perfect example of the idiom 'You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.'

One has to wonder why you don't seem to care that your claim is utterly eviscerated by documented facts and instead of acknowledging that fact, why you doubled down on the bullshit. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.3.22  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @3.3.16    one week ago
Which did not tell the full story.

Actually they DO bugsy.

The question is:

So who's responsible for the security of the Capitol complex?

The links I provided answer that question. 

Either you are incapable of recognizing simple documented facts in the links or you're attempting to gaslight 'our readers'.

Which is it bugsy? 

Since you're implying that YOU know 'the full story' please post links that DO tell 'the full story'.

BTFW, when you don't, it will illustrate that you're merely spewing unfounded and unsubstantiated proclamations and in doing so prove that you comments lack credibility. 

But we expected that.

What I expect is that NO answers or links will be forthcoming and silence will ensue. 

Oh and who are this 'we' you pretend to speak for bugsy? 

 
 
 
bbl-1
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5  bbl-1    one week ago

Judge Luttig is correct.  On all points and many that aren't even mentioned.

Helsinki told us where Trump's loyalties are.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1  Texan1211  replied to  bbl-1 @5    one week ago

Are you still pushing that whacked-out Helsinki nonsense????

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6  Right Down the Center    one week ago

The darkest moment in presidential history is when the current president makes you look back fondly upon the Carter administration as the good old days.

 
 
 
CB
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6.1  CB   replied to  Right Down the Center @6    one week ago

Wow! That was not well deeply thought out.  This all reminds me of somebody 'pining' after a return of the 'lying-est player in the game.'  So let me give you a moment of clarity:

The republican party did not leave you-you left it.

Donald Trump, the newly recognized head of the republican party has not changed-you have!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @6.1    one week ago

Uh huh, sure

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.2  CB   replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.1    one week ago

Uh huh, sure—what? You have no choice but to admit the republican and conservative parties are splitting apart (and condensing down) into a hard core of lying, deceptive, and malevolent men and women followers of a cult-leader who is still as dodgy as ever: Donald J. Trump.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @6.1.2    one week ago

Actually I have several choices.

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.4  CB   replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.3    one week ago

Donald Trump will not let you choose anybody else he does not credit. By now you do know he has a loyalty program the GOP must abide. Rules are rules!

 
 
 
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6.1.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @6.1.4    one week ago

I don't have to abide by what either you or Donald want me to do.  Unlike so many others here I can think for myself and make my own decisions.  Try it sometime, it is wonderful. 

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.6  CB   replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.5    one week ago

I think for myself with input from others. Republicans not so much. Trump won't allow a 'break' in his planned continuum. Dissent is not acceptable in the Trump universe of people and things!

 
 
 
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6.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @6.1.6    one week ago

Uh huh, sure. Good to know you think for yourself with input from people that think just like you do.

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.8  CB   replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.7    one week ago

I get varied input from conservatives too. I value truth, not bull crap masquerading as a 'big lie.' I betcha can't say the same some conservatives who think that capital is the same thing as integrity.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.9  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @6.1.8    one week ago

Sometimes it is difficult following a train of thought that is going down several tracks at the same time.

It is good that you value truth, I value truth, justice and the American way. 

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.10  CB   replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.9    one week ago

And yet, it would appear that you value a good slogan more than its practical application. Tell me, Right Down the Center: What is your opinion of Trump's 'Big Lie'? Please elaborate. . . fully.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.11  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @6.1.10    one week ago

Truth justice and the American way is much more than a slogan. The big lie is a slogan, one that CNN is supposedly not going to use anymore.

As for big lies:

Trump lost the election

Joe is not unifying the country

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.1.12  al Jizzerror  replied to  CB @6.1.10    one week ago
Truth justice and the American way

I think you're debating someone with a "Superman complex".

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.13  Right Down the Center  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.12    one week ago

Actually now it is truth justice and a better tomorrow. 

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.14  CB   replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.11    one week ago

You agree Trump lost the election. So why do you fancy a sane and reasonable man would ruin his integrity by setting in motion an attack on the Capitol building through the use of a Stop the Steal styled rally? Donald Trump is not reasoning up to par, is he?

Has Donald Trump taken leave of his rational, sane mind in your opinion?

Biden unifying the country. Tough to do. It is well-established that a 'one-handed clap' does not make for the proper applause. Have you observed there is no one on the republican side of the aisle extending the 'other hand' called for?

If you care about truth, justice, and the 'American way'. . . is it reasonable and sane to think that republicans could vote for something good for all the citizens of this country all the time? Why is it not wrong for republicans to 'do nothing' while the country languishes in its own 'waste'?

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.15  CB   replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.12    one week ago

jrSmiley_124_smiley_image.gif It's why we serve/d!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.16  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @6.1.14    one week ago
Donald Trump is not reasoning up to par, is he?

He has raised hundreds of millions of dollars since Nov 2020.  His reasoning seems to be working.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.1.17  al Jizzerror  replied to  CB @6.1.15    one week ago
It's why we serve/d!

Yeah, when I enlisted I took an oath to "protect the United States from all enemies both foreign and Republican."

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.18  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @6.1.14    one week ago

I am not in trumps head and he is not in mine, unlike some here. I am not a psychiatrist so I have no clue about his state of mind. I do know that when someone riots it is them that ultimately makes the decision to do so, for whatever reasons. Of course it is easier for some people to make the decision to riot if they know they won't be held accountable. 

Do you think the guy went to kill a supreme court Justice did so because of Schumer and his release the kraken speech? Should Schumer be held accountable?

No one said unification was easy but it is what joe ran on and he isn't even trying. As a matter of fact he is going out of his way to make it worse. I  am talking management 101 here. Is joe stupid or just incompetent?  If he can't do the job he should step aside and let someone that can do the job actually do the job. 

Why does any sane person keep up the excuses why Joe can't do the job while the country languishes in its own waste?

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.19  CB   replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.18    one week ago

That's pathetic and I won't go farther to tell you what it sounds like. First of all, If you have a complaint about local, state, and federal government: Call "Karen!" I do not have an inclination to discuss the nuances of law jurisdictions and the nuances officials and politicians use, deploy, "okay," or otherwise give you call to bitch and moan daily to the world about. Take your whataboutism somewhere else.

Second, I do not know what Schumer said, but from what I see in the comment exchanges it may be worthy of comparison or not. Whatever the case, it is not for me. BTW, Donald Trump has a republican party in lock-step with his misbehavior in the politics realm. Trump has more privileges granted to him than he deserves.

Third, Joe Biden having spent the better part of his life in the political realm, likely, probably, surely, has forgotten more than many of us have known about politics. This is hard stuff, and having a political 'side' sitting on its votes does not make it easy. Again, you can't clap hands with one 'hand' stuck down at your side. Or can you, Right Down the Center—can you do it?

That last sentence has about as much maturity as a drunk vomiting. So I will not dignify it farther.

Finally, some republicans you are the problem with this country. Nothing is free of your attitudes before and now under Donald Trump it is even worse. It's all so disgusting. This country is the pits and though both sides have been and continue to be a problem for peace in our own land: Conservatives, y'all are the worse, too!

I have given you enough of my time and I wish I could have all of it back! Let's not do whatever the "h" this is again. BYE!

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.20  CB   replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.17    one week ago

Yeah, I hear you! Will somebody tell these some republicans and conservatives that boxing the citizenry in and steering people into modes of behavior that limit and restrict their rights to be first class citizens and not all conservatives is NOT freedom of expression! In the past, it was how this country ended up with slavery, oppression, and repression.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.21  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @6.1.20    one week ago
Will somebody tell these some republicans and conservatives that boxing the citizenry in and steering people into modes of behavior that limit and restrict their rights to be first class citizens and not all conservatives is NOT freedom of expression!

Will you?

it was how this country ended up with slavery,

The first identifiable evidence of slavery comes from the Code of Hammurabi in what was Mesopotamia. China and India, didn’t adopt the practice of slavery until much later, around the Qin Dynasty in 221 BC.  Apparently, we ended up with slavery because some people wanted others to work without paying for it.  Today, we've reversed that and will pay some people not to work.

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.22  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.21    one week ago

And then there are those in this country who love the (white majority) privilege of having (shamelessly/shamefully) owned other people and treating otheres with extreme violence, prejudice, bias,  lack of respect, and absence of equal/equity freedoms.

BTW, slavery could happen again in this backward-looking, un-progressive, and power-hungry republican party which reserves to itself capability to state what is right and wrong-despite tradition, custom, and Rule of Law.

As far as some people not trusting some white's continuing to view work as a form of slavery (boss/employee=master/slave) by insisting on low-wages for a day's work for whole classes of the citizenry (work they would not do for themselves as beneath their status); one can see why some people say: "Take this job and shove it!"

NOTE: I now view your snark as a drain on discussion and useless. I will reply as I deem appropriate to suspected insults.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.23  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.1.22    one week ago
And then there are those in this country who love the (white majority) privilege of having (shamelessly/shamefully) owned other people and treating otheres with extreme violence, prejudice, bias,  lack of respect, and absence of equal/equity freedoms.

Not a soul alive in America today ever owned a slave. Stop your useless and erroneous projections.

As far as some people not trusting some white's continuing to viewworkas a form of slavery (boss/employee=master/slave) by insisting on low-wages for a day's work for whole classes of the citizenry (work they would not do for themselves as beneath their status); one can see why some people say:"Take this job and shove it!"

It is a personal choice to work for whatever pay you decide to work for. If you are unhappy with your rate of pay, get another job or start your own business.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.24  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @6.1.22    one week ago
I will reply as I deem appropriate to suspected insults.

I can only hope so.

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.25  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.23    one week ago

Can you explicitly state (without the usual obfuscating nonsense on full display for all to see) that not a soul today has benefited from the past slavery of Blacks and second-class citizen treatment of all minorities in this country?

At its inception: Did the founders create this country for the benefit of white people*?

And since then, have slaves, former slaves, and other minorities had to fight to gain whatever 'relief,' equality, and equity they can from this nation's white majority (generally speaking)?

Thee is no 'personal choice' to work for what business owners won't pay and pay to whom. Also, there is no choice to own a business if the majority won't participate in its success (patronize it)  or actually labor against it to take it down.

*Credit: "White Like Me" Tim Wise 2008.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.26  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.1.25    one week ago

Look, I get that playing the race card is always important to you.

Slavery is over, Jim Crow is over.

Get over it and stop making excuses for why some people aren't successful.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.1.27  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.26    one week ago

Look I get that you are full of it, but don't waste my time with. . . it.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.28  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @6.1.27    one week ago

You choose to waste your time, Texan doesn’t.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.29  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.1.27    one week ago
Look I get that you are full of it, but don't waste my time with.

You have never bothered to answer most of the questions posed to you, and when confronted, always manage to play the race card.

That is a tired old tactic and I won't abide it.

Constant whining about things that happened before I was born and that I had NOTHING to do with is a poor way to start a debate.

The race card has been played (OVERplayed) to reduce its significance to next to nothing, but hey, don't let reason and common sense stop you from still playing it!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.30  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.29    one week ago

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Texan1211
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6.1.31  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.30    one week ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.32  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @6.1.25    one week ago
Can you explicitly state (without the usual obfuscating nonsense on full display for all to see) that not a soul today has benefited from the past slavery of Blacks and second-class citizen treatment of all minorities in this country?

Of course not, especially generational wealth in New England.  

Did the founders create this country for the benefit of white people*?

Absolutely, it obviously wasn’t for Asians or Black people.

And since then, have slaves, former slaves, and other minorities had to fight to gain whatever 'relief,' equality, and equity they can from this nation's white majority (generally speaking)?

Yes, along with some white people.  I never understood why some Black hate Jews.

Thee is no 'personal choice' to work for what business owners won't pay and pay to whom. Also, there is no choice to own a business if the majority won't participate in its success (patronize it)  or actually labor against it to take it down.

Huh?

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.33  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.28    one week ago

Don't troll me.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.34  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.1.25    one week ago
Thee is no 'personal choice' to work for what business owners won't pay and pay to whom. Also, there is no choice to own a business if the majority won't participate in its success (patronize it)  or actually labor against it to take it down.

More blaming whitey, not taking any personal responsibility and ignoring reality.

Anyone with balls enough can start a business. Anyone can choose where and for whom to work.

Pretending these freedoms don't exist today is beyond delusional.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.1.35  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.29    one week ago

You are a determinant of little around here Texan and neither is Trumpism—especially not Donald. Now take your tired old 'saws' away with you!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.36  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @6.1.33    one week ago

I answered your questions as honestly as I could, why do you view that as trolling?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.37  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.36    one week ago
I answered your questions as honestly as I could, why do you view that as trolling?

Because he can't refute what we write?

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.38  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.34    one week ago

@6.1.35.  Bye now.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.39  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.1.35    one week ago

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CB
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6.1.40  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.36    one week ago

You wasted time being a 'Texan-plainer?'  Bye! We're done.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.41  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.1.40    one week ago
You wasted time being a 'Texan-plainer?' 

Obviously, he was forced into it because you couldn't comprehend what I wrote.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.42  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.1.38    one week ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.43  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @6.1.40    one week ago

Take care now, y’hear.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.1.44  al Jizzerror  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.41    one week ago

Trolling....

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.1.45  al Jizzerror  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.42    one week ago

Still trolling....

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.46  Texan1211  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.44    one week ago

Yawn.

That tired, old, inaccurate claim--again?

Sigh.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.47  Texan1211  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.45    one week ago

Yawn.

Can you come up with a better line--say something worthwhile and not a lie?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.1.48  al Jizzerror  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.47    one week ago
Can you come up with a better line

Absofuckinglutely - I'll see you in "Heated Discussions".

I can say whatever I want in that group.

Fuck off.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.49  Texan1211  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.48    one week ago
Fuck off.

The last resort of those unable to communicate effectively.

Great job!

Is there something preventing your participation here?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.50  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.48    one week ago
I can say whatever I want in that group.

Wow, that's really something.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.51  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.50    one week ago

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.1.52  al Jizzerror  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.51    one week ago
It is telling that after telling me to come to HD,

I did not tell you to "come to HD".

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.53  Texan1211  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.52    one week ago

ok, we can all pretend that you meant something totally different with your ' I'll see you in "Heated Discussions".' line.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.1.54  al Jizzerror  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.53    one week ago
I'll see you in "Heated Discussions"

Yep.

I see you there when I publish another article there because, as a stalker/troll, you won't be able to resist commenting on it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.55  Texan1211  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.54    one week ago
I see you there when I publish another article there because, as a stalker/troll, you won't be able to resist commenting on it.

That is hilarious!

You post a hit piece in HD and fail to recognize you are trolling. I guess you can't resist!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.56  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @6.1.19    one week ago

That was alot of words to say nothing.

Bye

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.57  Right Down the Center  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.45    one week ago

Do you by chance have a word of the day calendar? 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.1.58  al Jizzerror  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.55    one week ago
You post a hit piece in HD and fail to recognize you are trolling.

I posted an article in HD ("The NewStalkers All Star TDS Team").

The article received 387 comments.

Many of the comments were posted by YOU because YOU trolled my article.

Trolls don't post articles.  Trolls post ridiculous comments on articles.

The article was NOT "trolling".

It was "troll bait" designed to attract stalker/trolls.

It worked - YOU took the bait.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.1.59  al Jizzerror  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.57    one week ago

No

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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6.1.60  igknorantzrulz  replied to  CB @6.1.33    one week ago

“Don't troll me“

anyone, absolutely ANYONE, can troll me, but, I might suggest, to do so at your own Mutha FCKN risk !

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.61  Texan1211  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.58    one week ago

387 comments, most not by me.

Are all your little friends trolls for commenting?

Are you for commenting?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.1.62  al Jizzerror  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.61    one week ago
Are all your little friends trolls for commenting?

THIS is a trollish comment.

Like many your comments.

You are not trying to contribute anything to the discussion.

Do you have anything to contribute to "the darkest moment in presidential history"?

That's actually the topic of this discussion.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.1.63  al Jizzerror  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.62    one week ago

I enjoy reading relevant comments.

Your comments suck.

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.64  CB   replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1.60    one week ago

Oh my!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.65  Texan1211  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.63    one week ago

That sounds like an honest self-critique.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7  Drinker of the Wry    one week ago
 you look back fondly upon the Carter administration as the good old days.
 !976 was my 2nd presidential election and I voted for him.  I thought that a farmer who was smart enough and disciplined enough to pass Admiral Rickover's nuclear program with experience as governor might be a good choice.  I learned that you can be a good person with good intentions and still be a mediocre president.
 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7    one week ago
I learned that you can be a good person with good intentions and still be a mediocre president.

Yep, and being an asshole does not necessarily make you a bad president.  Now we are learning that a half dead president is only as good as the people he is letting lead him around.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1    one week ago
Yep, and being an asshole does not necessarily make you a bad president.

Then disregard the 'asshole' element and only consider what Trump did during his Big Lie campaign.    That is, after all, the topic and the point made by the article.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.1    one week ago
Then disregard the 'asshole' element and only consider what Trump did during his Big Lie campaign.

OK, then calling this the darkest moment in presidential history is just another example of the left screaming the sky is falling, constitutional crisis, this time we really have him, Russian puppet, end of Democracy, racist country and all the other things they have been screaming from the mountain tops.

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.3  Dulay  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.2    one week ago

Why say 'OK' and then babble about everything but what Trump did during his Big Lie campaign? 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  Dulay @7.1.3    one week ago

The title of the article is darkest moment in presidential history.  I thought you could tell from my response that the whole Jan 6th riot and Donalds part in it is just another over exaggeration the democrats are famous for when it comes to Donald.  Maybe they would be taken more seriously if they hadn't said everything he has done is a constitutional crisis over the past 6 years. 

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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7.1.5  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.2    one week ago
OK, then calling this the darkest moment in presidential history is just another example of the left screaming the sky is falling

Same as they did during the "Russia, Russia, Russia" Trials !

Shifty Schiff claimed ................" there is plenty of evidence of collusion or conspiracy in plain sight" regarding the Trump campaign and Russia. But he admitted that doesn't mean "there's proof beyond a reasonable doubt of a criminal conspiracy,"   

Still waiting to see those "Plenty of Evidence" thingy's" that were there ! 

Now, in this new Trump conspiracy Trial:

Chairman Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) Claims ............. "the panel will not make any criminal referral of former President Donald Trump or anyone else to the Justice Department". "No, you know, we're going to tell the facts. If the Department of Justice looks at it, and assume that there's something that needs further review, I'm sure they'll do it,"

Not much to make any sane person "WANT TO" watch another one of those "Get Trump at any cost" hearings !

And I thought the first one was a big Joke !

This one has almost taken the "Entire Cake" !

What a waste of the "American Peoples Representatives Time", with everything else going on in this country right now !

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @7.1.5    one week ago
Not much to make any sane person "WANT TO" watch another one of those "Get Trump at any cost" hearings !

There is alot to be learned about what transpired on Jan 6th to help insure it does not happen again.   Maybe a bipartisan commission that will look at things besides Trump but with the current TDS pandemic within congress and no cure on the horizon that is not currently possible.  Maybe after November they should try again.

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.7  Dulay  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.6    one week ago
There is alot to be learned about what transpired on Jan 6th to help insure it does not happen again.   Maybe a bipartisan commission that will look at things besides Trump but with the current TDS pandemic within congress and no cure on the horizon that is not currently possible.  Maybe after November they should try again.

Yet Republicans BLOCKED just such a bipartisan commission back in May, 2021. So what makes you think it will be different in November? 

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.4    one week ago

Those are a lot of words that don't explain why you said 'OK' then deflected. jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.9  Right Down the Center  replied to  Dulay @7.1.7    one week ago
Yet Republicans BLOCKED just such a bipartisan commission back in May, 2021.

I will assume you know that is not a true statement but at least you are not insisting the current commission is bipartisan.  Small steps.  My hope is that a Republican led committee will look at things that are not Trump

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.10  Right Down the Center  replied to  Dulay @7.1.8    one week ago
Those are a lot of words that don't explain why you said 'OK' then deflected.

I explained it.  It is not my problem if you do not like the answer or can't understand it.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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7.1.11  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.6    one week ago
There is alot to be learned about what transpired on Jan 6th to help insure it does not happen again.

As I understand it.... there was already a "Heads Up" about the coming day. The "heads of the Capital Weren't fucking  Prepared" for what they already knew was coming !

The FBI and the New York City Police Department passed information to U.S. Capitol Police about the possibility of violence during the protests Wednesday against the counting of the Electoral College vote, and the FBI even visited more than a dozen extremists already under investigation to urge them not to travel to Washington, senior law enforcement officials said.

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.12  Dulay  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.9    one week ago
I will assume you know that is not a true statement but at least you are not insisting the current commission is bipartisan. Small steps

I KNOW that you have no clue WTF you are talking about. 

Oh, and just for shits and giggles, READ it and weep: 

WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate Republicans on Friday blocked the creation of a bipartisan panel to study the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, refusing to back down on their opposition to the independent investigation even amid emotional appeals from those who fought with and fled from the rioters that day.

The Senate vote was 54-35 — short of the 60 votes needed to consider a House-passed bill that would have formed a 10-member commission evenly split between the two parties. The vote was another sign of GOP fealty to former President Donald Trump and an overtly political effort to shift the focus off of the violent insurrection of his supporters.

Though the Jan. 6 commission bill passed the House earlier this month with the support of almost three dozen Republicans, GOP senators said they believe the commission would eventually be used against them politically. And Trump, who still has a firm hold on the party, has called it a “Democrat trap.”

GOP blocks bipartisan probe of deadly Jan. 6 riot at Capitol | PBS NewsHour

The date of the article is May, 2021. 

BTFW, there is NO 'current commission'.

The 'small steps' that I take entail keeping myself informed AND researching/reviewing facts. You and yours should give it a try. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.13  Right Down the Center  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @7.1.11    one week ago

I can't wait to hear about what the commission has found out about that.  Maybe after they are done with going after Donald there might be a sentence or two about it

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.1.14  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.2    one week ago
OK, then calling this the darkest moment in presidential history is just another example of the left screaming the sky is falling ...

You have no problem with the PotUS attempting to suborn his V.P. to commit an unconstitutional act, bullying him both privately and publicly and 20 minutes after the insurrection had started this PotUS publicly criticized Pence thus adding fuel to the fire?   

Tell me a time in history when a PotUS acted against his own V.P.,  government and the nation at this level?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.16  Right Down the Center  replied to  Dulay @7.1.12    one week ago

And Mitchs concern from the wall street journal " Senate Minority Leader  Mitch McConnell  (R., Ky.)  had declared his opposition to the commission  before the vote, calling it a political exercise. He suggested that Democrats would weaponize the commission against Republican candidates to keep the controversy over former President  Donald Trump ’s actions before and during the riot at the forefront of next year’s midterm-election campaigns."

Gee, kind of like what is happening right now with the Nancy approved committee.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.17  Right Down the Center  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @7.1.15    one week ago

I am hoping learning what can be done better in the future would be a big part of what the commission is for.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.1.18  Dulay  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @7.1.11    one week ago
As I understand it.... there was already a "Heads Up" about the coming day. The "heads of the Capital Weren't fucking  Prepared" for what they already knew was coming !

You should also understand that the Senate ALREADY investigated and released a bipartisan reported on the Security breaches in June, 2021. 

Since I doubt that you give a shit about the reports content, I won't post a link. 

Now, care to get closer to the topic and address the actions of Trump before, during and after Jan. 6th? 

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.19  Dulay  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.10    one week ago

Merely doubling down on your deflection explains nothing. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.20  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.14    one week ago
You have no problem with the PotUS attempting to suborn his V.P. to commit an unconstitutional act, bullying him both privately and publicly and 20 minutes after the insurrection had started this PotUS publicly criticized Pence thus adding fuel to the fire?   

If he did all that then charge him.  I never said Donald acted correctly during any of the events, but to try and elevate it to the darkest period in presidential history is just the democrats being democrats when it comes to Donald.  I think alot of Americans stopped taking everything the democrats said seriously when it had to do with Donald was someplace around constitutional crisis number 14.  Or maybe it was threat to democracy number 8, I can't remember.

You are welcome to your opinion and I am welcome to mine.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.21  Right Down the Center  replied to  Dulay @7.1.19    one week ago
Merely doubling down on your deflection explains nothing. 

I hope you don't lose any sleep over your lack of understanding

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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7.1.22  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Dulay @7.1.18    one week ago
Now, care to get closer to the topic and address the actions of Trump before, during and after Jan. 6th? 

I'll stick with the actions of the " onsite members"....thank you very much ! 

As far as the committee goes....waste of tax payers time, which we are paying them for. they aren't gonna fix "The Past" for sure ! Chairman Bennie Thompson already said as much.

Don't you read ?

You should also understand that the Senate ALREADY investigated and released a bipartisan reported on the Security breaches in June, 2021. 

And what has been accomplished because of that report ?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.23  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.17    one week ago
I am hoping learning what can be done better in the future would be a big part

Ban MAGA from holding office. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.24  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.20    one week ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.1.25  Dulay  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.16    one week ago
And Mitchs concern from the wall street journal " Senate Minority Leader  Mitch McConnell  (R., Ky.)  had declared his opposition to the commission  before the vote, calling it a political exercise. He suggested that Democrats would weaponize the commission against Republican candidates to keep the controversy over former President  Donald Trump ’s actions before and during the riot at the forefront of next year’s midterm-election campaigns."

That proves that you didn't know WTF you were talking about. 

Small steps. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.26  Dulay  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.21    one week ago

I understand your desperation to deflect quite well. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.1.27  Dulay  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @7.1.22    one week ago
I'll stick with the actions of the " onsite members"....thank you very much ! 

Then you're willfully ignoring the content of the seed. 

As far as the committee goes....waste of tax payers time, which we are paying them for.

Unless a member of the committee is your Representative and isn't addressing your needs, WTF do you care. Do you think that the Reps on the committee are getting bonus wages? 

they aren't gonna fix "The Past" for sure !

Did you expect them to build a time machine? 

Chairman Bennie Thompson already said as much.

Link? 

Don't you read ?

Yes, constantly. Right now, I'm just finishing up a collection of Louis L'Amour novels. You? 

And what has been accomplished because of that report ?

I suggest you go READ it and research it for yourself. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.1.28  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.20    one week ago
You are welcome to your opinion and I am welcome to mine.

Of course, and I asked you to explain your opinion based on our history:

TiG@7.1.14 ☞ Tell me a time in history when a PotUS acted against his own V.P.,  government and the nation at this level?
 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.29  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.24    one week ago

Trolling today?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.30  Right Down the Center  replied to  Dulay @7.1.25    one week ago
That proves that you didn't know WTF you were talking about. 

Funny, that is a direct quote from The wall street journal and Mitch

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.31  Right Down the Center  replied to  Dulay @7.1.26    one week ago
I understand your desperation to deflect quite well.

Even if you have to make it up

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Freshman Guide
7.1.32  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.28    one week ago

Donald acted like an ass.  This does not raise to the level of being the darkest period in the American presidential history.  

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.33  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.23    one week ago

Wow, you sure you don't want that to be amended to ban Republicans from holding office?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7.1.34  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.24    one week ago

Removed for context - sandy

 
 
 
GregTx
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7.1.35  GregTx  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.33    one week ago

Both seem extreme. I would be happy with just an age cap and IQ requirement . Say 70 yo and at least a 105 score.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.1.36  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.32    one week ago

Okay, clearly you are not going to answer my question.   Seems odd that you refuse to do so, but so be it.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.37  Right Down the Center  replied to  GregTx @7.1.35    one week ago

Term limits are top of my wish list.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.1.38  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.37    one week ago

On this we agree.   Career politicians are a major factor underlying our corrupt, incompetent, self-interested and divisive government.

 
 
 
Lucifer Morningstar
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7.1.39  Lucifer Morningstar  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.23    one week ago

No worries about destroying democracy there. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.1.40  Dulay  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.30    one week ago
Funny, that is a direct quote from The wall street journal and Mitch

Funny that the quote is about a vote on a Commission that YOU denied happened just 2 HOURS ago.

It's not funny to read the denials and deflections. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.1.41  Dulay  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.31    one week ago
Even if you have to make it up

I needn't make up your deflection, it's evident to any member reading it for themselves. 

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Freshman Expert
7.1.42  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Dulay @7.1.27    one week ago
Then you're willfully ignoring the content of the seed. 

I'm sorry....your response is unacceptable ....... again !

Good Day

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Guide
7.1.43  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Dulay @7.1.27    one week ago

He wants to sick with bs then fuck him..

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.44  Right Down the Center  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @7.1.42    one week ago

[Deleted.  If you're going to issue an impasse, you don't get to take a final shot at the person you're impassing.]

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.45  Right Down the Center  impassed  Dulay @7.1.41    one week ago
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Dulay
Professor Principal
7.1.46  Dulay  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @7.1.42    one week ago
I'm sorry....your response is unacceptable ....... again !

How so? 

I note that you failed to provide a link to support your claim. 

Still waiting. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.1.47  Dulay  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @7.1.43    one week ago

No thanks. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
9  igknorantzrulz    one week ago

Too funny, u impasse persons are

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Freshman Guide
10  Right Down the Center    one week ago

Does the darkest period in presidential history fall under constitutional crisis or attack on democracy? Or maybe it is a new category all together. It is hard to keep track with the sky constantly falling.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
10.1  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @10    one week ago

If you do not think this is the darkest period of the presidency then what is?    Watergate?   Harding as PotUS?  

Your posts give the impression that you do not think the public should pay attention or that we should not find anything all that unusual about his Big Lie campaign and all that it entails.  Sure, make fun of the author's 'darkest period' but you offer no associated commentary that suggests you find what Trump did to be quite serious and damaging to the nation.

What, in your view, would a PotUS have to do to warrant the people to legitimately declare an historically significant violation of the Oath of Office that is dangerous for the nation?   

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
10.1.1  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @10.1    one week ago
If you do not think this is the darkest period of the presidency then what is?

I am surprised no one has brought up Lincoln and the civil war.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
10.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  Ender @10.1.1    one week ago

Thing is, to me that was one of the finest hours of the Office of the Presidency.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
10.1.3  Dulay  replied to  TᵢG @10.1    one week ago

IMHO, the fact that all of your questions are left unanswered illustrates that the member has no intention of having a discussion. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Sophomore Expert
10.2  al Jizzerror  replied to  Right Down the Center @10    one week ago

Thanx for exhibiting "impasse abuse".

I knew a right-winger would eventually weaponize the impasse function.

800

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Participates
10.2.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  al Jizzerror @10.2    one week ago

It almost seems like the 'impasse' is being used by some like a mic drop. They made their point, got in the last word, expressed their opinion and reject anyone challenging their opinion. But then 5 minutes later they pick up the mic again, express another opinion and then drop the mic again only to rinse and repeat this a dozen or so times. Only weak cowards with no confidence in themselves or their own opinion resort to such childish behavior.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Sophomore Expert
10.2.2  al Jizzerror  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @10.2.1    one week ago

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al Jizzerror
Sophomore Expert
10.2.3  al Jizzerror  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @10.2.1    one week ago
It almost seems like the 'impasse' is being used by some like a mic drop.

This thread is an example of how the "impasse option" can be used as a shield to "protect" the issuer from people who disagree with him/her.

People who can't handle the heat should stay out of the fucking kitchen.

 
 

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