The Radical Left Unleashed
This past week saw the final chapter in the 2020 election - the victories of two radical democratic candidates in the state of Georgia. That election like the general election was marred by rules changes that benefited democrats. The wining margins were razor close and thanks to the sister of Stacey Abrams (GA's democratic machine) those who moved from the state were legally allowed to vote. This now means that as long as Senate democrats vote as a solid unit, they can pass most of their agenda and Joe Biden's judicial appointments will be approved.
We also saw violence in the capitol this past week as some of Donald Trump's supporters were able to break into the Capitol building as well as certain congressional chambers. Unlike all the leftist violence we were subjected to for months the demonstrators faced guns drawn with intent to use them. The DC mayor Muriel Browser called the FBI, Capitol police, DC police, the Maryland State Police & Guard and the Virginia State Police & Guard. In stark contrast to when she had her police stand down when BLM and assorted leftist protesters vandalized Lafayette Square, burning buildings, including a historic church and almost tearing down a statue of Andrew Jackson as well as attempting to storm the White House, she called for every security force available. In 2016, after Donald Trump prepared for his inauguration, antifa rioted in DC causing considerable damage and it was hardly mentioned.
What happened to those rioters you ask?
Muriel Browser had a major DC street painted with the slogan "Black Lives Matter."
Muriel Browser (progressive activist)
BTW after the Capitol building incident which left a female Air Force Veteran and a police officer dead, Browser's first order of business was to push for DC statehood, which would guarantee two more democratic Senators for a congress which is destined to face an angry public in 2022.
Impeachment Act 2
Nancy Pelosi with a full head of steam is now looking to end any chance that Donald Trump will run again in 2024. She is counting heads and making lists. The nation will have to endure another faux impeachment, but this time the votes of never-Trump Republican Senators will be crucial. They are going to blame the President for the riots and try to end his political career once and for all.
HR 10 is not far off.
Censorship Act 2
A crackdown on Civil Liberties has begun. The great leftist social media giants are censoring speech. Twitter has permanently suspended Donald Trump's account and Facebook soon followed. Google removed the free speech outlet Parler from it's Play Store app and Apple has threatened to do the same. Simon & Schuster cancelled publication of Josh Hawley's book because he also seems to be on the left's enemies list.
Joe Biden
The proxy-in-Chief
Worst of all is the proxy that will be entering the White House. Let's leave aside his cognitive dysfunction. Yesterday we found him claiming that BLM protestors would have been treated differently than the Trump supporters, as if the unprepared DC police were some kind of racists. The truth is that the BLM protesters were treated differently, but in a much different way than the ever confused Biden claimed. BLM was able to do anything it wanted in 2020. Blue state governors & mayors had their police forces stand down during all the rioting and violence. Nobody was protected from the left wing mob. This time rioters will be punished as they should have been all year.
Instead of demonizing half the population, maybe Joe should remember what he told us about being a leader for all the people and seeking unity. Maybe he never read the words that were written for him. The outgoing President conceded the other day and asked for unity and an orderly transition. Joe Biden rejected the overture. He too is intoxicated with all the power now back in the hands of our leftist ruling class.
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Buckle up - We are in for a long, brutal, Orwellian ride.
Rules will be vigorously enforced
That ride is ending, by January 20th, 2021.
It is funny you think it is over.
How long do you think BLM, Antifa, and other far left nut jobs will give Biden to enact their radical changes? They aren't the patient types.
Think that cracking down on far alt right groups only will bring peace? It will only re enforce the us vs them divide; and basement Joe's tone deaf responses will only deepen the hate. Of course nothing will be his fault. No one with a D behind their name is ever wrong; ever takes responsibility for anything; or is ever a part of any problem.
4 more years of blaming Trump for everything the Democrats can't fix; and fuck up even further. Obama did it with Bush Jr- so the template is already set.
Speaking of tone deaf.
"No one with a D behind their name is ever wrong; ever takes responsibility for anything; or is ever a part of any problem."
In what alternate reality do you reside?
"4 more years of blaming Trump for everything the Democrats can't fix; and fuck up even further. Obama did it with Bush Jr- so the template is already set."
Not true.
"Think that cracking down on far alt right groups only will bring peace?"
Cracking down on these far right whackjob groups/domestic terrorists, finally, a bunch of them have been arrested after their siege on the Capitol the other day. It can only bring peace when these freaks/vermin/scum are brought to justice.
tRump has made sure that everything is FUBAR at this point. He's made the U.S. into quite the SNAFU but don't worry, President Elect and the Democrats will put things back to rights.
The left's idea of taking responsibility is Obama's joke about "shovel ready jobs not being so shovel ready". Or how about Obama's claim no one in his administration ever told him anything- he had to find out about it through the media. Of course I am not a tone deaf partisan. Until 4 short years ago I was an independent that hated both sides.
Not even Politico believes that.
Looking forward to the left supporting crackdown on BLM, Antifa, and their far left wing idiotic brothers and sisters. You can start by calling out the Democratic enablers for those groups at the local (Mayors); State (Governors); and National (Congress) levels. They are just as guilty as the POS they support and enable.
Keep living in your rainbow and unicorn fantasy land. You just proved everything I stated correct. Four more years of left denial; and blaming Trump for everything they can't fix and fuck up further.
Nope, never.
Your whataboutism/false equivalencies are so tiresome.
it sucks that the implosion of the republican party caused by POTUS provoked domestic terrorists and his gullible sore loser followers is spewing shit all over decent america.
Really we've had to listen to the 'president' and his supporters spewing shit out of every orifice for over four years now.
What are the rules ?
Yes we are. A true night mare coming our way.
Her list should include everyone who broke into and occupied the Capitol on Wednesday at the 'president's' urging. He even said he'd walk with them to the Capitol but he did not, he turned tail and fled like the coward that he is.
The President never urged anyone to break into the capitol building.
The Radical Left Unleashed
I'd say the Radical Right has been Unleashed by their leader on Wednesday, when they broke into and occupied the Capitol at the 'president's' urging.
"That election like the general election was marred by rules changes that benefited democrats."
What rules changes benefitted Democrats?
We can start with the most recent one:
You might as well cite Instagram. It's about as credible.
Oh let's DO start with that Vic.
From YOUR link:
I'm sure that a well informed guy like you KNOWS that NEITHER county fulfilled either of those MANDATES from that FEDERAL LAW. In fact the challenge from Muscogee County states:
In short, they admit that their challenge doesn't follow Federal law and the Muscogee County board VIOLATED that law by voting to disenfranchise those voters.
So, HOW does that link support your posit? Please be specific Vic.
That's why I don't bother to read those types of links . . . they NEVER say what the poster alleges that they will
Lots of them...
"Unlike all the leftist violence we were subjected to for months the demonstrators faced guns drawn with intent to use them."
When did that happen?
By the way, these were not demonstrators, they were right wing domestic terrorists, they were a mob, they were insurrectionists.
When Ashly Babbitt was gunned down.
By the way, these were not demonstrators, they were right wing domestic terrorists, they were a mob, they were insurrectionists.
I know that's the left's narrative. They are just like any other protestor with a grievance.
She was a domestic terrorist who brought this on herself. Live like a domestic terrorist, die like one.
They were not protesters, they were domestic terrorists, there at the 'president's' urging.
Someone holding a sign and chanting on a sidewalk in front of a building is a protester with a grievance. Storming the United States Capitol building with an intent to cause destruction and/or harm, in retaliation for and against an election process and duly elected government officials, and egged on by the President himself, is not a protester with a grievance. They're a domestic terrorist and should be treated as such. Such actions is inexcusable and any support of such actions only demonstrates a level of complicity.
And here I thought the right believed in stand your ground...
Vic, was the guy who entered the Senate chamber dressed like a terrorist ,and with a fist full of zip ties, a "protester" ?
One man that had some zip cuffs was ex military.
He was identified and people talked to his family. They said he had started to become more and more radical in the last several months.
No matter what some say, everyone could see the extreme rhetoric coming from some right wing pundits.
What was their 'grievance'? That they LOST? FAIR AND SQUARE?
I'll bet they believe the nonsense that the election was stolen. At this point, holding such a view is just delusional.
Well a lot of the morons were holding signs saying stop the steal.
Like I said, delusional.
He needed the zip ties for sealing up trash bags that he was going to fill when he cleaned up after his 20k friends, because he’s a model patriotic citizen.
I heard some of the 'patriots' urinated and defecated on the floors/carpets.
Once she entered the Capitol, she went from a 'demonstrator' to an insurgent terrorist.
Fail.
He was a retired Lt. Col in the Air Force.
That isn't a 'narrative' that is a FACT.
Utter delusion and an epic false equivalency.
And if he was dressed in black with a mask what would he be?
Maybe democrats shouldn't have changed all those election laws before the election.
No Vic. Not when a mob breaks into our government buildings where members of Congress were in session, and who were armed and had bombs. That is the very definition of an intersection. If it was the left, you would be screaming bloody murder.
You are right. I'm not defending them, nor do they have much to do with my article.
If it was the left, you would be screaming bloody murder.
They have and I did! You may recall they almost burned down a federal Courthouse.
In PA the republicans changed those laws, they wrote the changes.Can't change their minds just because they lost.
Show us where the State Legislature changed those laws to allow for those votes being counted days after the election.
The difference was the President had the Courthouse protected, despite much criticism. Bill Barr even asked if people really thought the federal courthouse should be left unprotected. That is what barely saved the Courthouse. For whatever the reason the Capitol building security was lacking.
Maybe had something to do with Trump and Louis DeJoy slowing down the USPS and working hard to deny people the vote. And no, I'm not going to explain voter suppression and closing places to vote or ballot boxes, etc. Mail in votes have always been counted later where I've lived. Do you live in PA? Take it up with your reps. If not, butt out .
So you agree the same about BLM and ANTIFA that break into businesses to loot and burn them down.
Good to know you believe they should die like terrorists, too,.
Well, it depends to the left. If he was standing on a street corner doing nothing, he is just another guy
If he was breaking into buildings to burn and loot them, he is a hero.
The changes to the election laws in Pennsylvania were made by REPUBLICAN lawmakers.
Wow that there is some hyperbolic bullshit.
Please educate yourself:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/12/07/levin_why_pennsylvania_mail-in-ballot_changes_are_unconstitutional.html#!
It's so sad. You always seem to be wading through bullshit. Here:
"Portland protesters barricaded federal officers inside a courthouse — and tried to set the building on fire — as the two groups clashed again Tuesday night into Wednesday."
No, I'm not butting out. We don't ever want this to happen again.
Otherwise we will end up like CA.
OH the irony of telling me to educate myself and then posting a video of Mark Levin.
Much of it content from within your seeds or comments.
Seriously Vic? The video in your link shows a guy with a bic lighter trying to burn a CEMENT barrier that the FEDS installed.
Just more of your sad attempts at false equivalencies.
Is the AP lying? Well they are left wing, afterall, so maybe.
Where in that comment did I say anything about lying bugsy? Do try to follow the thread.
Never said you did. Try keeping up.
In 5.1.27, you accused Texan of hyperbole. I gave you proof he is right, even from a left wing source.
What about the ones that deliberately murdered that cop?
Anyone who murders a cop should get the death penalty. I'm sure you agree.
Nope. Your link doesn't prove that they 'tried to burn down' the courthouse either. There was fire damage to ONE office in the Courthouse.
"Your proof from the AP proving the rioters tried to burn the courthouse down doesn't prove they tried to burn the courthouse down.":
This is what makes NT comedic gold...
She never provides proof of anything.
Well about time! When you act like a domestic terrorist, you should get treated like a domestic terrorist.
"The DC mayor Muriel Browser called the FBI, Capitol police, DC police, the Maryland State Police & Guard and the Virginia State Police & Guard."
The DC mayor had to call those folks, because the 'president' said this should be handled by the local police. No planning was made to handle this mob of right wing domestic terrorists.
Maryland Governor Hogan (My governor) was called by Stenny Hoyer while under siege asking, pleading, begging for help.
It took 90 MINUTES
The 'president' put everyone in the Capitol in danger, republicans and Democrats alike, while he hid in his bunker.
I'm sure nobody ever thought that anyone in that rally would turn violent.
Rally? Really?
And on what basis do you make that assertion? Your opinion?
Trump and his minions have been calling for violence for months...anyone who thought right wing terrorists wouldn't be violent was in denial. Look at the group who were going to attempt to kidnap a governor, look at posts on right wing websites. These right wing terrorists have been aching for violence for years now, Trump and his minions encouraged them.
He's been setting the stage for months because he knew he'd lose with mail in voting, said so himself.
Funny because he is a 'mail in voter' along with some other posters here who said that though they were a mail in voter themselves, anyone else who was a mail in voter was lazy.
This is, of course, utter nonsense. The next day the "protesters" were out in force on their social media, some of them distraught that Trump had failed to do what they thought he had promised to do, physically lead them in a storming of the House and Senate, where they would then watch Mike Pence declare the election invalid.
What do you or they think that law enforcement, secret service, US Marshals , etc would be doing while all this was going on?
No one in that crowd thought they would get their way by standing on the outside of the Capitol chanting. No one.
They were chanting to hang Pence.
I have been reading from people that monitor extreme right wing sites.
They have been advocating violence for a while now.
Stand back and stand by?
ADL has been monitoring the crazy RW sites for some time and were turning the information to the proper channels. They became alarmed that nothing was being done and posted the info on ADL blog.
The information was all over the internet and it was a epic failure of the agencies especially the Capital Police.
That would be incredibly naive.
Does that include the "protestors" the one's who brought lead pipes? 9 Molotav cocktails, an M4, assorted handguns? Two live pipe bombs left at the RNC & DNC HQs?
No planning? How about the guy with the American flag attached to a wooden baseball bat?
How did they find Clyburns unmarked office, or Pelosi's and Schumer's offices?
This was planned with inside help.
"follow me inside you guys, ted is saving some seats in the gallery"
When people start protesting, it's like a powder keg ready to blow up into a full blown riot. All that's needed is a spark. And Trump lit that fuse with a flamethrower in DC. People's collective stupidity in "protesting" or rioting only adds fuel to that fire.
Maybe, but I believe Tucker Carlson said it best, when you looked at them you didn't see the angry nihilist we saw this past summer, you saw people like us. For the most part I saw a lot of common people.
Does that include the "protestors" the one's who brought lead pipes? 9 Molotav cocktails, an M4, assorted handguns? Two live pipe bombs left at the RNC & DNC HQs?
Ah NO! Were they obvious about the weapons they carried? How soon did you notice?
No planning?
Did I say that?
How about the guy with the American flag attached to a wooden baseball bat?
I never saw that before the Capitol was stormed. Did you?
How did they find Clyburns unmarked office, or Pelosi's and Schumer's offices?
Maybe they read the polished name plates outside their offices.
This was planned with inside help.
My turn - A conspiracy theory - PROVE IT!
Like this ?
or this ?
or this ?
SPEAK FOR YOURSELF !
These were among the issues raised 15 years ago by the bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform that sound eerily familiar in 2020
Mail-in voting, ballot harvesting, inaccurate voter lists, dead people voting, barring election observers, faulty voting machines, media calling elections too early and the touting of exit polls.
Obviously not.
That was not representative of everyone who was there. You keep those pictures with the BLM & antifa ones we had for the past 7 months.
All summer we heard that the peaceful protests were highjacked and they were mostly peaceful. Now I have a half dozen people who would rather not talk about democrats wielding power.
So tell me, how many times do you need me to denounce those who stormed the Capitol building?
Actually that's not true, and anybody who even briefly goes on twitter or facebook saw warning signs. Tuesday night I told my husband the Qtipped magas were going batshit about what was about to happen. Wait til we find out how deep the sedition goes. Defense and Pentagon have to answer why DC was denied National Guard. And looks like state republican AG's helped organize this sedition.But that will all be coming out soon enough. Remember those BLM protests? Pretty different treatment between peaceful protesters and white racist domestic terrorists trying to overturn the election, don't you think?
I'm not sure how it comes across to some, but my name isn't Trump. I only say it once and Post # 5.1.18 is clear for all to see.
To be fair, the only person I recall saying/predicting something happening was right here on NT. That was JR. I don't recall the seed, but he came close to predicting it. I was shocked by it.
Remember those BLM protests? Pretty different treatment between peaceful protesters and white racist domestic terrorists trying to overturn the election, don't you think?
Yup BLM & antifa were treated with restraint & understanding.
Sure they were, Vic. Remember Trump's photo op at the church a million years ago? Go look at the video.
Except that people have been making predictions like that for years. It's every day that Trump supporters are predicted to be violent "tomorrow" or "tonight" at this or that rally. Before that, it was predicted for all the Tea Party rallies. Then it finally happens, and the prediction is valid? I don't think so. I could predict an earthquake every day, but when one finally comes that doesn't make me wise or right in my predictions.
Clyburn has two offices, one of which is an unmarked office in some obsure part of the maze inside the Capitol.
It was vandalized and his PC & laptop were taken....
I trust that the FBI will get to the bottom soon enough and more Capital police will lose their jobs as well as the off duty
officers from across the country who were embedded in the crowd and flashing their badges to the Feds.
All things will become clear in good time.
Watching Vic try to resurrect Donald Trump's reputation and standing is like watching someone try to keep water from falling through a sieve.
Yeah, what Tucker "I'm a big fucking asshole" Carlson meant is that the people were mostly white, with badges, instead of black people. Nice one, Vic. Way to show your true colors, literally.
I'm sure nobody ever thought that anyone in that rally would turn violent.
I wonder what suddenly got them so riled up that they were chanting “Hang Mike Pence!! Hang Mike Pence!!”
That is 100% correct. When the day finally came that it happened on the other side, they used it to create censorship and see to it that Trump can't run again in 2024. They do have all the power and full control of the lying media. They will impeach him within 2 weeks and the Senate will rule that he can no longer run for public office.
It's as I said before the final act for a tragic hero. He served the country well and delivered exactly what was needed, but nobody wants him back.
Somebody once said "the movement needs a martyr." Let it begin.
Well if you know that, why wouldn't anyone else?
All things will become clear in good time.
Amen and Women!
I take it you don't like him?
He meant what he said. There weren't many angry nihilist student types in that crowd. BTW it seems that most of antifa appears to be white. Why are you so concerned with race? I thought progressives could get beyond that.
Are you sure they were all chanting that?
Are you sure they were all chanting that?
Why are you so resistant to believing your own eyes and ears? Never mind, stupid question. As I’ve said elsewhere on this site, it’s getting boring here since the right has given up on defending the actions of their compatriots and gone full Trump MAGA in the honesty department.
On what?
As I’ve said elsewhere on this site, it’s getting boring here since the right has given up on defending the actions of their compatriots and gone full Trump MAGA in the honesty department.
Talk about boring! The rest of us denounced what happened days ago and progressives are still posting pictures. You don't like it now that the shoe is on the other foot. Too bad!
You’ve just denied the clear and obvious chant in the video, twice in a row. Sorry Hellen Keller, you have zero credibility.
Vic your level of denial is off the charts. It is the Mt Olympus of Trump supporting denial. At least on this site.
I wish I had a dollar for every time you have asked a similar question in defense of Trump or his followers over the past 4 years. It has been bizarre and it has been offensive. You knew that they were chanting "Hang Mike Pence". You knew that. No one would make up such a specific line. Yet you want to make people waste their time "proving" it to you.
Donald Trump does so many egregious things that they lap over each other like the endless beat of waves on a shore. Trump committed an impeachable offense just a couple weeks ago when he asked the Secretary of State of Georgia to "find" 11,780 votes for him so he could win that state. He was asking that man to commit a crime on Trump's behalf. Two weeks ago. Two weeks later he is telling 40,000 people to go to the Capitol building and "fight" to do something that is constitutionally impossible, but something that would please Trump.
We have had it with this shit. Trump will go, but his minions will stay, like rot in the foundation.
Completely bizarre.
You never took the time to understand the malignancy of Donald Trump's personality. So you simply took him at the face value of the fact that he enacted certain policies that you like. Its along the lines of "Mussolini made the trains run on time".
If Trump is a hero, it is for all the wrong reasons.
Defense and the Pentagon do not have to answer about the actions of the National Guard except in time of war or national emergency. In peacetime, the Guard is under the control of individual state governors to deploy, so ask them why the delay in mobilizing in DC. DOD and Pentagon only control the National Guard units when they are federalized and/or mobilized by congress in times of national emergency or war.
The D.C. NG is controlled by the President and the DOD. The MD NG was ready to go and it could not until it received permission from the President or the DOD to move into the Capitol grounds.
I was in error. My thanks for the correction.
Nope - YOU SAID EVERYONE THERE WAS CHANTING THAT! :
I wonder what suddenly got them so riled up that they were chanting
I asked you if they all were chanting that. You provided a film of those who were at the doors of the Capitol.
Sorry CNN, you have zero credibility.
The last time I heard such uniform and thunderous noise was at an outdoor Metallica concert. That you would claim they were just a minor subgroup is a Russian troll level argument.
What the fuck am I denying?
I wish I had a dollar for every time you have asked a similar question in defense of Trump or his followers over the past 4 years. It has been bizarre and it has been offensive. You knew that they were chanting "Hang Mike Pence". You knew that. No one would make up such a specific line. Yet you want to make people waste their time "proving" it to you.
You are claiming something that you simply can't prove and it's to smear everyone there.
Donald Trump does so many egregious things that they lap over each other like the endless beat of waves on a shore.
Give it up John. You won the election, tell us what the brain dead ass you put in the White House will do.
We have had it with this shit. Trump will go, but his minions will stay, like rot in the foundation.
The movement he created will continue.
Anything else? The article perhaps?
You simply can't prove that everyone in that enormous crowd was chanting that.
Admit the truth.
No problem, Doc.
stand back and stand by. there's a fat one with a big mouth coming soon. the end will be documented in glorious HD for all his seditious followers to witness.
How astute. I used to think that he may have had something relevant to say, way back around the turn of the century. lost track of him for quite awhile, and when he popped back into my particular reality, he had gone over to the dark side and was spewing distortions instead of truths. If I had the time or the inclination I could go through all of his commentary and find at least one distortion and several false or logically corrupt statements a minute. So, I really don't have any respect for the man.
How do you know? Do you know what they look like? What are their defining features?
Again, How do you know? Do you know what they look like? What are their defining features?
I am personally concerned that different people get treated differently depending on how they look.
My rate of follicular generation used to be high enough to keep my hair at waist length or longer, and as a result, I noticed some people would treat me differently than they treated other people. I first noticed this when I was a teen and later in job interviews. My experience has been such that I have an inkling of understanding when someone is treated differently because of some outward manifestation.
It's so ironic that you mention that. I remember that era. I took full advantage of it. I always had a fresh haircut, tie & jacket and shoes like mirrors for my first job interviews. I landed every job I wanted.
... a nixon campaign button on the right lapel, purchased 4F deferment papers, breath mints, and a small jar of vaseline.
While handing out fliers warning of the red menace.
So have I. If the people were so small minded that they mentioned it, I knew right then that I did not want the job.
"And Trump lit that fuse with a flamethrower in DC. People's collective stupidity in "protesting" or rioting only adds fuel to that fire."
And poured gasoline on the fire. Said he'd lead them, waddle with them, to the Capitol yet, like the coward that he is, turned tail and fled to his bunker
The 'president' said this mob was low class. They reflect the 'president' very well.
Oh my GOD, excuse me while I vomit!
You have got to be kidding me
You are not allowed to incite riots/mobs/right wing domestic terrorists on social media.
You are supposed to play by their rules OR YOU'RE GONE.
This is so wonderful! You cannot ask for a valid election to be overturned, encourage right wing domestic terrorists that break into and occupy the Capitol at the 'president's' urging and yours, and expect to profit from it! You hit this hypocrite right in his wallet where it hurts!
No Tess, I'm very serious.
You are not allowed to incite riots/mobs/right wing domestic terrorists on social media.
That's an interpretation. I have the same one about calling people "White Supremacists"
You are supposed to play by their rules OR YOU'RE GONE.
Then what happened in Seattle, Portland, Chicago and DC this past year?????
It's not an interpretation - it's truth.
That was the Democrats at the state and local level enabling their Brown Shirts. Vandalism, looting, arson, assault, and murder are great when they have a pliable media following their narrative that it was all Trump's fault.
It was all 'tRumps' fault. I see you consistently engage in whataboutism when there are absolutely no comparisons to the siege at the Capitol at the 'presidents' urging.
when was congress in joint session in those other cities to count electoral votes?????
Congress?
Those cities and more were vandalized and burned and the police were held back.
Yes, that was all part of the progressive plan to make America a living hell going into the election.
Well at least a couple of Seattle cops were part of the sedition, so perhaps BLM has a point about cops and their racism. That failed coup was full of known, proud and loud white supremacists and other domestic terrorists, who made their feelings well known, I might add. BLM didn't try to overturn an election by violence and lies. Murder and treason. Racism and propaganda conspiracy crap. This failed coup proved just how unequal our justice system is. I saw Capitol police taking selfies with terrorists (who also took a shit there, those magas are so classy). Wait til we expose the security decisions, who made them and when. A lot of info being sifted through now, and my prediction is the treason goes far deeper up the chain than we know now. But have to wait for that to come out.
No they don't.
BLM didn't try to overturn an election by violence and lies.
BLM was founded on a lie and has advocated for violence. They only tried to take away our security.
This failed coup proved just how unequal our justice system is
It is, but from the other direction.
I saw Capitol police taking selfies with terrorists (who also took a shit there, those magas are so classy).
That's another Biden claim. A police officer died defending the Capitol!
Wait til we expose the security decisions, who made them and when.
Will they be lynched?
A lot of info being sifted through now, and my prediction is the treason goes far deeper up the chain than we know now.
A conspiracy? I'm waiting to find out more.
But have to wait for that to come out.
So much for democrats to do. They have all the power in the world to do it, but maybe only 2 years to get it done.
Are you trying to say it's ok that this happened because Congress wasn't sitting in Wendy's with frosties while they counted electoral votes?
Is it ok that people chased Seattle police officers from their own precinct because Congress wasn't in there counting votes?
Congress vote counting is what justifies a wildly different reaction?
Gee Vic if the Portland police are being held back, how did they manage to arrest over 500 rioters since May?
Then unceremoniously dropped the charges because the DA refused to file charges.
Come'on mannnn... too easy to disprove.
Maybe we should both let one of the lawyers spell out the differences? referred, arrested, filed against, etc
It does seem like a game for a small minority.
How many did they shoot?
How many used violence to gain entry into an occupied Federal building?
How frickin' sad is this.
Wow. Just, just...wow. (And I'm not even remotely a fan of Shaun King...)
But it is not really funny, because I think that you actually believe that, which is just a sad statement on the critical thinking skills of your average Trump fan. I am sure that the cop thought, "I am going to please the progressives by giving them the excuse to hold protest rallies all summer," while he was kneeling on the neck of George Floyd for eight minutes and forty-six seconds , Not.
You originally said there were 500 arrests, but your link acknowledges that maybe 974 cases have been fielded (doesn't mean filed), but out of that only about 11 percent have actually been charged. The other 800 something have been dismissed.
And you implied that they were all dismissed....they are not.
I provided links and asked for clarity from any internet or real lawyers as to all of the semantics.
Do you think the police just took 1000 names of people for referrals?
or did those people consider themselves to be detained as opposed to being arrested?
Since that older article the percentage is now 90 or 91% of those arrested will not be prosecuted.
Clackamus & Multnomah Counties haven't the budgets or infrastructure to deal with so many people
so they prioritize.
Meanwhile Portland Police arrest an average of 50 people per night and release them because there are no jail facilities available. They refer the information to the appropriate DA.
Yes. If the claim of being all about 'law and order' is to be believed, Federal LAW 'justifies a wildly different reaction' and penalty.
Then maybe Portland needs to invest more in detention centers instead of taking funds from the police to do their jobs. More than likely its the same idiots getting detained over and over again.
Maybe, like so many leftists on here wished for during the Capitol riots, there should be some lead filled torsos in these rioters. Then the jail space won't be needed.
Well that's just common sense but it would involve increasing the property taxes ( an uphill battle ) or declaring a state or County income tax ( cannot think of ANYTHING that would unite red & blue voters more than that ) or creating more Corporate use taxes that no one is paying...
Yes, I think they should make room for the 30 some who have been detained at least 4 times...that's indicative of a disdain for law & order, public safety etc., which should never be rewarded.
But then, before you can jump into your leftist rant, Colorado Republicans just elected Lauren Boebert to the US House.
Her whole campaign was about defying lock down rules and keeping her restaurant open resulting in fines and citations. Voters apparently and conveniently ignored a lengthy rap sheet for traffic violations, seat belt violations, child seat violations and in almost every case, at least one failure to appear with warrants issued. And now she is going to participate in writing national law and budgets???
Right on cue...
Well we could argue whether there's enough hospital space or morgue space due to COVID ( there isn't )
but I fear it's pointless
A QANon whackjob and wasn't she the one who told the tRump mob where Pelosi was during the tRump mob siege of the Capitol?
she's relatively safe up there in tea party territory, but her restaurant is open carry.
Keeping Track?
President Elect Joe Biden is not suffering from any form of cognitive dysfunction. What is your 'president's' excuse?
The BLM protesters were treated differently than the tRump right wing mob supporters, as far as police presence and you cannot say differently. You are wrong.
I am right and deep down all of you know it too. The left was allowed to trash American cities and riot without any pushback since the spring.
Nope, they were gassed, shot, shoved, kicked and arrested even when peaceful. And those people weren't committing treason like the magas on Wednesday. The traitors were escorted out after committing the crimes against America.
They weren't peaceful.
And those people weren't committing treason like the magas on Wednesday.
Oh, I know BLM & antifa are worthy causes/s
Well I am proud to be an anti-Fascist and for the life of me can't figure out why republicans are pro-Fascist. Perhaps they don't know their history. As for BLM, black lives do matter. They aren't treated the same as white people are. Black people deserve to be safe in their own damn bedroom and at bbqs, or ever safe being pulled over for speeding like whites are. You don't agree with equal justice?
I have some great news for you - Fascism is dead. The bad news is that we face the threat of a left wing totalitarian state right now, right here in America. The rest of the world is struggling to deal with Communist regimes.
You don't agree with equal justice?
I want the same equality MLK advocated for. We need to be color blind and live in a meritocracy.
not quite yet, but with a mountain of future legal issues to climb, we're optimistic.
They aren't pro-fascist. Antifa might be the biggest strawman/gaslighting/(whatever you want to call it) in the country just by their very existence. We don't have a fascism problem in this country. There is nothing there to fight.
It's not exactly going out on a limb to say you oppose fascism. There just isn't any actual fascism to oppose. It's stupid to demand that people denounce it. Are there some pro-fascism nut jobs who post on the internet? Sure. You can find some wack jobs who will say anything. But painting the US government or our society as fascism is either dishonest or ignorant.
ANTIFA is not anti fascist. Their actions show the direct opposite.
In truth, ANTIFA stands for Anti First Amendment
They just don't want their sheeple to know it.
your maga hat may be too tight.
Tin foil needs adjusting.
No, you are wrong, I know this deep down.
From one, to the other, with no sense of irony whatsoever.
And have a guaranteed basic income, just like MLK wanted.
Oh PLEASE!
Yet ironically, you support Trump.
so you will be cool if some baker refuses to make a cake for a fay wedding.
awesome.
Nope, republicans CAN'T have it both ways..cheering on a private company refusing service to gay people and then booing a private company for refusing service to incendiary comments.
you can't have it both ways either.
spectacular way to miss the point.
What is a fay wedding?
OMG, you caught a typo!!!!!!!!
Yay!!!!
you know, some people possess the ability to read, and comprehend, even when there is a typo!
some fklos can eevn raed tihs!!
I am wondering why Lady has the ability to read and comprehend what i wrote and why you don't.
I have no idea what a 'fay wedding' is. I googled it, and was unable to find a definition. Please, what is a 'fay wedding'?
see above posts, and then, if you are STILL stumped, ask Lady for an explanation. since she is smart enough to know what it is.
BTW, did you even read the post where I said it was a typo, or did you not understand what that is, too?
What what is?
Sorry, I will be back shortly. Be good, because I will enforce civility.
Wouldn't one have to have it, or at least a general understanding of it, before they could enforce it?
I think we witnessed some of that trump supporter civility in DC last wednesday.
With all the new videos and information coming out, it's getting worse by the minute.
Vic, I think you are probably a good man in "real life". In your political life and your life as a propagandist on social media, you are an extremist. Your political views are out of the mainstream.
One quick example - you think that closing down Trump on twitter is a violation of some sort of commitment to "free speech".
Trump is a dangerous individual, as most pathological liars are when they achieve a wide audience. Liberals and leftists are not the present threat to America, people who think they are losing their freedoms because we are becoming a multicultural society are the threat, because they are now desperate enough to take action.
Pot meet kettle.
I seriously doubt that I have ever made a politically extreme statement on this forum. Calling Donald Trump a piece of shit is not extreme, it is obvious.
You probably think calling for a 2% wealth tax on the very rich is extremism. Thats your problem.
Let's see if democrats are up to that. I doubt it!
Deflection.
a wealth tax merely punishes people for being rich.
silly and unnecessary
I doubt it, too.
Just look at all the whining that capping a deduction garnered!
The wealth tax is relatively insignificant to the fortunes of very wealthy people. For someone who has 51 million dollars the tax would be 20,000 dollars, leaving them with a mere $50,000,980 after the tax. Yet it is something that could raise billions of dollars per year that could be used to help those in the lower economic classes have a little bit better life.
This is not "robbing" or "stealing" from the rich, this is society deciding it has priorities more important than letting people acquire stratospeheric wealth that will mainly be passed down to their individual descendants.
The cap affects only 2 states and in those 2 states, it affects the middle class the most, so yeah, people are upset.
why should society limit success?
my understanding is that the federal tax code is applied equally to citizens of all 50 states.
a wealth tax does not limit success any more than an income tax limits success. that is nonsense.
None of that is true.
perhaps it doesn't limit it, but it surely punishes it.
Agree. Someone making 50 mil has to pay a mil or two in taxes. Boo hoo, it is not hurting their bottom line.
someone making 20k can afford a dollar, and it wouldn't hurt them, either.
I am going to break my protocol and respond to you this one time just to say, I actually have to agree with that.
Imo it is things like the EIC that put people into a different column.
Yes, it is, but that part of the code was only recently changed, and it was politically motivated and not motivated to equal the playing field. You implied that the rich were affected, which was not true. The middle and working classes were affected.
Prove that Sean. You seem to forget that I am a CPA in one of those states.
Seems reasonable to me to look at the two states you claim are solely affected by this and see why the other 48 aren't. maybe those two states need to change.
the rich are under the same code, right?
how can you say the rich were not affected?
that is why I am for a flat tax with no deductions at all for anyone or anything. we could have the flat tax be graduated up by income level, similar to now.
Individuals that make 20,000 a year do pay income tax. A family that makes that sum would not pay taxes because they are likely (or should be) receiving government assistance. It makes absolutely no sense to have people who receive food stamps or medicaid pay federal income tax.
Look at it this way. Our system enables ambitious people to pursue their dreams. The opportunities are not equal, but even people with humble beginnings can improve their situations.
But our system also includes a snowball effect that kicks in based on market and mind share that is enabled with the accumulation of productive resources. Whereas initial wealth accumulation is based on hard work and effort, one (some) can reach a critical mass where the accumulation of productive resources is so great that it is just a wealth generation machine. This is what has taken Musk, Bezos, Gates, etc. from uber successful and wealthy individuals into extreme wealth and power.
What if that snowball effect was systemically moderated? This would not be trying to stop people from growing wealthy, only to prevent extreme wealth and power from winding up in the hands of a very tiny minority.
Musk is now worth $185+ billion dollars. The question is how much of that wealth is a function of the snowball effect enabled by our system versus truly earned by the individual's efforts? The next question is the value of heirs securing the power of their successful parents. That is basically the ancient notion of royalty / aristocracy.
This would not even be much of a question if the consolidation of wealth and power did not adversely affect society. It really does not matter what the numbers are if they are just score-keeping. But they are not simply score-keeping; they are absolutely actionable. Unless you think it best for such wealth and power to be consolidated in a tiny minority it should be obvious that society would be better served if our system did not allow such a snowball effect.
I wonder if Elon Musk (as an example) would be able to survive if his 20th billion was harder to achieve than his first 10?
see post above
Because taxes are proportional to income.
A person making $65K and paying $1,500 more in taxes is more affected than a person making $250K a year who is paying $15,000 more a year.
You seem to forget I've done this multiple times.
Fist, filers in every state are effected. California taxpayers pay the most (20.7% of the national amount), North Dakota, the least (.1 percent).
Second, the SALT tax deduction is more skewed towards the "rich" than the benefits then the progressives' evil bogeyman , the 2017 Trump Tax cut that is supposedly nothing but a handout to the rich. . 57% of the benefits of the reinstatement of the SALT tax subsidy would flow to the top 1%in income. 97% of the benefits go to those in the top 20%.
These are facts.
isn't 1500 2.3% of 65k, and 15k is 6% of 250k?
I have been at the school of thought that while yes capitalism can be great, unfettered capitalism can be bad.
There needs to be checks and balances.
And you seem to forget that I keep telling you that I am not including the state tax amount. I would not be opposed to removing the SALT component of the calculation and just let it stand as local property taxes.
So that link does not show how our middle class is being killed by the cap, since the state tax is based on income, but local school taxes are based on your home values.
If all you make is $65k and you get $1,500 removed, that hurts you more than a person who makes $250K and gets 15K removed. $63.5 is a much tighter budget than $235K is, don't you think?
people who make more spend more.
would you rather give up 2.3 or 6 %?
in any case, thus right here is why I favor a flat tax, as I outlined above.
And people who make less, can't make ends meet. Do we really need more people on the dole?
I am not opposed to a flat tax, but I would have to see how it would be implemented. Again, 2.5% taxes hurts a lower-income family than a wealthier one.
But by law, anyone making less than 30K is excused from paying taxes, hence the 42% who "don't pay" taxes.
come on, surely you and your family spent more as your incomes rise, right?
perhaps a new car, bigger house, sending kids to private schools, etc.
losing 15k may mean they can't afford done of those things, just like the folks owning 1500 more will have to do without some things.
flat tax. graduated by income levels, is the fairest, imo. no deductions. period, for anyone or anything.
not everyone will ever be pleased, but who does want to see their taxes increase?
yes, I know that.
the point was that many people now exempt could pay something, without hurting them.
They actually save more. For example, if you had a mere $50 million, would you be out on a spending spree or would you invest your money? When you die, do you expect that you will have spent your wealth or will you pass it on to your next generation?
If this money was held collectively by people who do not have a ton of discretionary buying power they would indeed by spending it. And the part that the saved would likely first go to saving for retirement, healthcare and college.
BTW, if you argue that investment puts money into the economy then I will agree, but that is true of every investment (even those by ordinary citizens). And I will remind you that consumerism is a better method for putting money into the economy than playing with the stock market.
ok, they do save more AND they spend more.
and unless you are suggesting direct payments to poorer people of the rich persons money, I don't see the money going to them.
No I am not suggesting that. I am not a fan of redistributing wealth. What I would do is address the system so that going forward it does not leave such powerful tools as the snowball effect.
Paraphrasing one of my points. $1,000,000,000 in the hands of a multi-billionaire will be used as that billionaire sees fit. Typically, people with such wealth cannot realistically spend it. Thus it is typically invested and the power of that wealth is leveraged to accumulate more wealth.
In contrast if that $1,000,000,000 was in the hands of one million everyday citizens (that is $1,000 for each citizen) we would typically see that money used in consumerism with one million people voting with their pocketbooks and shaping the market to meet their needs.
if you aren't suggesting direct payments, why do you use it as an example of anything?
People who make or already have enough money to be taxed with "wealth" taxes are not lacking for spending cash, even after the tax is applied.
you can not possibly know that. you have no idea what bills they pay or how any of their money is invested.
Someone who has 50 million dollars can afford to pay a 20,000 tax.
I did not use direct payment as an example. Where do you see me saying that a direct payment would be made? I spoke of it being in the hands of a million people instead of the hands of one person. You realize that I cannot make my point unless somehow that money is in their hands. I did not specify that it would be a transfer of wealth.
Do you care about understanding the point I made Texan?
how do you propose to ensure that the million people all get 1k. and from whom are they getting it?
do you think that if rich people have less, poorer people will have more?
how is that money, taken from rich, not a transfer of wealth?
says you.
maybe they can.
but why should they be penalized for saving and accumulating wealth?
I have to laugh at people who think a society has no justification for taxing wealth. Such people think they have a "god given" right to accumulate, and keep without being taxed, as much money as they can.
There are no god given rights. It is a utopian phrase. Rights are granted or administered by the government. Try proving you own your house without the government. There is no such thing as natural, god given property rights. It is an invention of enlightenment philosophers.
Now, I would agree that individual property rights are a good thing, and we all like to enjoy them, but they are not "natural". Dog eat dog, I like your house I take it from you by force, that is what is natural.
If a society chooses through its representatives to tax extreme wealth to fund programs for the poor, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
you can justify it by any way you choose, but that doesn't mean I gave to accept that justification.
and if society has deemed it unnecessary to have a wealth tax, which it has, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
Texan you oft complain about condescension yet you write comments like this (after I have already explained this once) that show you either cannot comprehend plain English or choose to pretend that you do not. Either way, it is not admirable.
So you will consider this condescending but consider I am trying to address what is now a stupid question:
The $1 billion scenario was an example to illustrate a concept. Since this apparently confuses you I will be more specific:
My point is that the million consumers infusing their collective $1 billion into the economy (and thereby voting with their pocketbooks to help shape the market) is healthier than one person investing the $1 billion to leverage that capital into even more wealth.
This really should be clear enough to comprehend.
I got your point.
what I am asking again is how do you propose to change things so the poorer people have more?
theories are useless without a plan to implement them.
Texan, good grief man, I am not and have not made any proposals for how to solve fundamental class disparity in our socio-economic/political system.
Well if you expect comments in a forum like this to be based on well-conceived national strategies then you have a bizarre understanding of forums.
And I did not propose a theory. I was making a point that apparently you just cannot bring yourself to even acknowledge.
just skip it.
Based on the following reply, it's not apparent. It's certain.
And by the same token I have never included you with our extreme 8.
In your political life and your life as a propagandist on social media, you are an extremist. Your political views are out of the mainstream.
I happen to believe I am one of the remaining members of a once great society (74 Million voters).
One quick example - you think that closing down Trump on twitter is a violation of some sort of commitment to "free speech".
Trump is a dangerous individual, as most pathological liars are when they achieve a wide audience.
If what you say had merit wouldn't Twitter shut down Iran’s supreme leader's account for his “anti-Semitic and genocidal” messages??? Right there John is the proof. It's biased censorship.
John's party has not lost control of The House of Representatives, The United States Senate and the Presidency all in just the last two years. No, that would be you and your party, the gop. So, who is outside the political mainstream?
LOL! list them.
I don't have to. We all know who they are.
The mainstream doesn't change every election cycle. The democrats controlled all three branches when Obama won in 2008 with super majorities. It only took two years of radicalism to lose them and eventually Obama paved the way for Trump.
Also, Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un have Twitter accounts. Louis Farrakhan has a Twitter account. There are plenty of prominent, awful people on Twitter.
Shame on you!
Wouldn't one have to have shame, or at least a general understanding of it, before pinning it on others?
I agree, and I think they should be all thrown off. Do you really think we should be helping spread their propaganda? But remember Twitter is a private company, so we play by their rules.
I don’t mind that a private company is free to make what I would consider to be terrible choices. I guess what I object to is that they present - and are legally treated - like public forums where speech is free.
I don't know about a written "blacklist" preventing people from getting future jobs, but of course those who have unfailingly propped up this preposterous presidency should be held accountable. I would not consider voting for anyone who worked in the Trump white house, for example. I think someone like Kayleigh McAnany has earned the right to be shunned in decent media circles. She played a very willing little Ms Goebbels in the waning months of the disgraced regime. Why would she be given props for all that garbage? The same for all the Millers, Bannons, Scavinos, Giulianis , and all the other dregs of society that made the last 4 years what they were.
Sounds like you are using Joe Biden's obnoxious example. How did Biden say it? When Dresden was bombed and 250 were killed, I mean 2,500 were killed, ah 25,000 were killed, it was Goebbels who said it was 250,000 and that's what got printed!
I'm sure Biden wouldn't know, nor do many others, but Historian Richard J. Evans estimates that approximately 25,000 people died during these bombings. Frederick Taylor estimates that from 25,000 to 40,000 people died as a result of the Dresden bombings.
Beyond that and the fact that Joe Biden can't seem to complete a simple sentence, the big lie of my lifetime that was repeated over and over again was that Donald Trump colluded with Russia!
All you do is deflect, bring up irrelevant points, invent stuff, etc.
People are seriously talking about removing from office a president who is going to be removed by the normal course of events in 10 days anyway. How horrible of a leader and human being do you have to be to be forced out immediately during your final 10 days? Why dont you address that instead of all this other drivel?
No, John, I think I'm bringing up issues that many Americans living in fear want to discuss.
People are seriously talking about removing from office a president who is going to be removed by the normal course of events in 10 days anyway.
No, John, Nancy Pelosi is talking about doing that and there is a method to her madness - she doesn't want him running again in 2024.
How horrible of a leader and human being do you have to be to be forced out immediately during your final 10 days?
He is feared by the radical left.
Why dont you address that instead of all this other drivel?
John, that is the drivel!
And you do?
It is hard to even form into words the level of delusion that some MAGA are experiencing.
You should have got off the ride 10 years ago when he revived a dormant birther movement in order to attract white racists to his newborn 2012 presidential ambitions. That has always been what has animated Donald Trump's political movement. The fear some whites have that they are "losing" "their" country. It is as plain as day.
No John, I don't.
It is hard to even form into words the level of delusion that some MAGA are experiencing.
It's not some MAGA, it's YOU! You won the election John. It's over!
You should have got off the ride 10 years ago when he revived a dormant birther movement in order to attract white racists to his newborn 2012 presidential ambitions.
Stop dividing the nation. You got your black vote. It's over.
That has always been what has animated Donald Trump's political movement. The fear some whites have that they are "losing" "their" country. It is as plain as day.
Wrong again. Class is what divides us. The faux educated class vs the muscular class.
As of ten minutes ago you are STILL calling Donald Trump a hero. In the past two weeks he has tried to get an official of Georgia to tamper with the vote in that state to illegally make him the winner, and then egged on a crowd to try and force the Senate to nullify a legally held and decided election. And you STILL say Trump is a hero. It is disgraceful.
I stand by everything I say, John. You know that.
Nancy Pelosi is about to make him a martyr and I'm all for it.
I know the opposite. You stated:
Yet when challenged, not a peep from you. Perhaps your concept of standing by what you say is different than mine.
WTF is your POINT Vic. Goebbels claimed that the attack on Dresden was an attempt to destroy Germany's culture, that there were no military targets and that at least 200,000 were killed. ALL of which are a LIE, repeated ad nauseam, which you seem desperate to perpetrate 80 years later.
Your deflection from Kayleigh McAnany to what Biden said is a failure.
Kind of like Trump's claims about election fraud or theft. And people who refuse to or lack the ability to think critically simply latch right on to it and perpetuate the nonsense.
Really Vic? Your posit is that TODAY, 'Americans living in fear want to discuss' Biden's comment about Dresden? What brought you to that utterly ridiculous conclusion?
Please refrain from posting bullshit about Pelosi being the ONE that wants Trump impeached or removed through the 25th Amendment. It's a lie and WE all know it. Hell, there are multiple GOP Senators that want him to resign.
He is feared MORE by the supplicant right. Hell, they cringe at the very thought of a mean tweet. While they whine about censorship, I have no doubt that they give a sigh of relief because twitter took away Trump's biggest weapon against them.
Nope, it's not. It's a cogent, relevant question. Got an answer?
It seems that Twitter had more than enough good reasons to delete and ban Trump from their site.
Numerous watchdog agencies reported the online chatter about the riot yet it seems the that agencies responsible fell on their face the Capital Police being the most obvious failure.
Twitter warns of new violence to come, brewing again on social media, as reason for Trump ban
Kavika,
I hate to point it out, but you can't stop an idea. I am not sure how to treat this, but I worry that all that has been accomplished is driving this idea underground.
Yes, Democrats have no place to hide now. This is the worst possible outcome for Democrats.
Democrats will be forced to end the Senate filibuster. Kamala Harris will become more visible than Joe Biden as President of the Senate. Democrats won't be able to blame Republicans for stalling their agenda because they control both the White House and Congress.
Democrats are in a position to either disappoint the various factions of their base or do nothing. And doing nothing is no longer an option.
In what alternate reality do you reside?
Aren't Democrats in control? Can't Democrats fulfill all the promises they made now that Democrats are in control?
Joe Biden loaded his cabinet with 'race cards' in expectation that Republicans would retain control of the Senate. Biden set the stage to accuse Republicans of racism, sexism, and xenophobia anytime there was Republican objection to Biden's agenda. But now Democrats are in charge and those excuses won't work any longer.
Biden's cabinet increases the political pressure to end the Senate filibuster so that Republicans can't obstruct anything. The Democratic base is going to expect Democrats to use their control of government to do what they have promised to do. Democrats don't have any place to hide.
Blah, blah, blah . . . .
be sure to return the next stimulus money that gets sent to you.
So 'promises made, promises kept' was great for Trump but bad for Biden. Got ya.
Well, see, there's the first problem. It's a relief check because of a natural disaster; not a stimulus check.
Yes, Democrats are expected to keep promises. That's the problem.
Democratic promises are all over the place because of the disparate demographics that make up the party base. Keeping promises for one group may break promises for another.
Democrats can't blame Republicans for not keeping promises. Democrats are in charge now. And Democrats really can prevent Republican obstruction by changing the Senate and House rules. There's no place to hide.
That's a galactic 'may'. Example?
Why not? Trump and the GOP blamed Democrats when the GOP was in charge of everything.
Actually, they are tax credits.
Right-wing militias, neo-Nazis and neo-Confederates invaded and ransacked the U. S. Capitol three days ago, and this article is about "The Radical Left Unleashed"?
That's taking distraction and diversion to the Nth degree.
This fits perfectly.
Link please
I said a link
A picture is worth a thousand words.
They are proof of exactly what scum were there and in the capital.
Since you are apparently unaware of what occurred at the U.S. Capitol this week, here are several links:
I could provide a few dozen more links if it would help you.
For your further education, here are some links about distraction as a propaganda technique:
Kavika , some of them hide their heads in the sand and have been doing so for years. We don't have to wonder where all the misinformation comes from.
Next he'll ask you to prove the photos weren't doctored by The Squad.
No I'm sure there are some crazies on this side of the ledger. I asked him for a link concerning the groups he mentioned.
Vic has the link and the photos I suppose if that isn't enough proof then we know full well that facts are too difficult to absorb.
[DELETED Too funny.]
You're welcome
Yes, I see they identify the same handful of individuals in the pictures. So there were a few extremists that stormed the Capitol. That's kind of like saying the riots we had for months & months were mostly peaceful!
You want it both ways. Either denounce all of it or admit to bias.
Vic knows there were extremists in that crowd and Vic denounced their actions.
Vic, everyone who entered that building with the intention of going to the Senate chamber and forcing them to nullify a legally held and conducted national election is an extremist. Virtually the entire crowd were extremists.
No way. PROVE IT!
Thousands attacked the Capitol, that more than proves it but you keep making excuses for traitors to our country, fitting.
False equivalency.
Please explain why you think that video of insurgents INSIDE of the Capitol building isn't sufficient evidence.
Tell me why video of insurgents OUTSIDE of the Capitol building, vandalizing and refusing to disperse isn't sufficient evidence.
Or is it your posit that one need not be an extremist to commit those acts?
Vic,
I will denounce both, but there is a fundamental difference.
While the looting and destruction that happened during the protests was thievery and rioting plain and simple, the attack on our Capital, which was in session, was an attack on our democracy.
I can't argue that.
Thousands out of perhaps a hundred thousand.
“A riot,” Martin Luther King once said, “is the language of the unheard.” Other than that note, most of those at the rally did not partake in the violence.
Nope. I want to see them prosecuted to the full extent of the new law.
Five deaths and scores more injured somehow become collateral damage in the quixotic attempt at overturning an irrefutable election outcome?
It was a tragedy. A speech that didn't call for violence, but probably never should have been given.
Please.
I know the feeling. I have the same feeling about every riot. All the way back to the late 60's and Vietnam.
More false equivalencies Vic. How the fuck can you claim that Trump's insurgents were unheard after he spent over a hour addressing them in person?
WTF is your point Vic? I haven't seen ANYONE claiming that EVERY participant in the rally is culpable. I sure as hell haven't.
BTFW, you didn't give a fuck when 'most of those at the' BLM protest didn't 'partake in the violence'. You and yours have been all about using as broad a brush as possible to paint ALL of those protestors as 'looters and arsonists' and much more.
Your comment drips with hypocrisy.
Lol. In other words, it doesn't matter if the new President listens to their concerns as long as they get a pat on the back from Trump? Got it.
WTF is your point Vic?
That extremists took advantage of the rally.
I haven't seen ANYONE claiming that EVERY participant in the rally is culpable. I sure as hell haven't.
Then look again at some of the comments here.
BTFW, you didn't give a fuck when 'most of those at the' BLM protest didn't 'partake in the violence'. You and yours have been all about using as broad a brush as possible to paint ALL of those protestors as 'looters and arsonists' and much more.
At those riots I simply wanted the perpetrators prosecuted the same way these will be.
Your comment drips with hypocrisy.
Projection as usual!
No Vic, NOT in other words. My statement was clear and in no need of your fabricated misinterpretation.
The 'extremists' followed Trump's instructions.
No need.
Bullshit.
Delusional as usual.
BINGO!
"Your comment drips with hypocrisy."
Well when projection, deflection, and denial are all you got, you go for it . . . an old boyfriend had a saying I love, that applies here, "If you're going to go bear - go grizzly"
When will those who pretend to be all about 'law and order' educate themselves about that topic?
The Mayor of DC has NO responsibility for the protection of the Capitol OR Lafayette Square. Those places are under FEDERAL jurisdiction. The Capitol is policed by the Capitol Police, Lafayette Square is policed by the National Park Police. While the Mayor of DC can NOTIFY Federal LEO's about events, she has NO responsibility OR authority to defend those Federal properties.
Secondly, it's been well reported that Steny Hoyer called Governor Hogan of Maryland for help and Hogan was DENIED clearance to enter DC for almost 2 hours.
Here is a statement from the DC Council on Jan. 6th:
Yes the Virginia State Police & Guard are being sent @ the Speaker's, the Minority Leader's AND the Mayor's request.
Which begs the question: WHY did the DoD deny the deployment of the DC NG?
Oh and do you KNOW who controls the DC NG? Hint: Trump.
You have to wonder what in the hell happened to create this epic failure of command.
The only ones that seemed to have their shit together were D.C, MD and VA.
Maybe for the same reason that blue state governors and mayors rejected the idea of the President sending in the National Guard, or maybe nobody expected violence from the Trump group. I think it's the latter.
The president doesn't send in NG that is the Governor of the state.
The latter...LOL yeah sure, that's why the resignations. It's called a total epic failure. The information was all over the internet and many of the groups that track the extremist group were sending warning signs for weeks.
That's correct and as we all know, the President kept telling blue state governors to do it and they habitually refused. You know it too.
The information was all over the internet and many of the groups that track the extremist group were sending warning signs for weeks.
Then where oh where was the msm? Why didn't you tell us?
That a lie, you need to quit trying to cover your bullshit with lies.
MSN posted a number of articles on it of course so did groups like ADL it's on record. If you asking why I didn't tell you it's because your a Trump follower and don't believe in facts.
Here is a fact for you:
"President Trump said Saturday that he was prepared to once again send in National Guard troops to cities if asked, following the 86th consecutive night of chaos in Portland, Oregon.
“Another bad night of Rioting in Portland, Oregon. A small number of Federal troops there to protect courthouse and other Federal property only (great job!),” Trump tweeted Saturday morning. “Wanting to be asked by City & State to STOP THE RIOTS. Would bring in National Guard, end problem immediately. ASK!”
Protests were so violent in downtown Portland last night that cops declared it a riot early Saturday.
The crowd of roughly 100 threw glass bottles, broke windows in patrol cars and pointed lasers outside a precinct Friday night before police decided to move in, The Associated Press reported."
nypost.com/2020/08/22/trump-offers-to-send-national-guard-to-portland-to-end-violence/
Believe it or not he said a lot of things that were true.
Did you look at the link listing all the governors that called out the NG. [ DELETED ]
You don't want to deal with the truth, that's on you.
Here is another link showing the threats on the internet now for the coming inauguration.
Have a great day in the alternate universe.
It has NOTHING to do with expectations, the violence was OCCURING and Trump refused to deploy the DC NG.
You too.
Here's a fact for YOU Vic.
Governors don't need to ASK Trump to deploy the NG since they COMMAND of their own fucking NG.
I like it!
The epitaph for the New York Times.
Why didn't they expect violence from the 'Trump group'?
Where would you expect violence?
From here:
Or here:
The groups you are depicting aren't storming the Capitol with molotov cocktails, IEDs, lead pipes
Also, there were many off duty police in that mob.
The evidence shows, here:
Oh dear, another meaningless picture!
Just remember, all the plywood put up in DC was put up in the event Trump won. That was the fear - that the left would again riot if he won. People don't tend to expect things that haven't happened before.
If the obvious answer is meaningless, so was the question.
The plywood that they are putting up NOW is to cover the broken windows at the US Capitol breached by Trump's mob of insurrectionists. You must be proud.
Vic would you expect violence from people who carry confederate flags into the capitol building? People who wear shirts with approving memes about genocide on them? How about from those who erect makeshift gallows with a noose in front of the seat of government? When the Trump loving rioters broke out windows in order to enter the Capitol Building, what were they going inside there to do? Go sightseeing? Two Trump supporters entered the Senate chamber with zip ties IN THEIR HANDS. Why? Who did they intend to restrain?
Trump famously said about the Q Anon nutcases - "all I know about them is they like me". There is no doubt whatsoever that he would say the same thing about those who rioted on his behalf at the Capitol Building. No doubt whatsoever.
YESTERDAY Trump told Kevin McCarthy, the Republican leader in the House, that "antifa" was responsible for the insurrection at the Capitol. Trump said this after the US Department of Justice said antifa had NO involvement. Trump said that to McCarthy yesterday, because he is a sick, evil, man. At leasat Mc Carthy mustered up the guts to tell Trump he was wrong. It's too late for McCarthy to save his own honor after years of being a Trump lapdog, but at least he finally said it.
When are you going to say it Vic?
John, I didn't see any of that until the Capitol was breeched. Those people came and hid within that enormous crowd until they saw the chance to make their move. I don't recall seeing anything like that come out of a Trump rally. Anyone who claims they have is obviously a liar.
Trump famously said about the Q Anon nutcases - "all I know about them is they like me".
He should have called CNN. CNN seem to be obsessed with Q Anon. They're the experts.
When are you going to say it Vic?
NEVER. Trump, as I've told you many times, has done exactly what this nation needed. In addition, he got the America First Movement going. As he leaves the public square we are all better for it, despite the temporary rise of the leftist authoritarian state. Someone will take his place. We know who the enemy of America is and I have a feeling the nation is in for a lot of social unrest. The counter revolution has begun.
What was that other than benefitting himself and his criminal enterprise of an administration?
The America First Movement sounds like a right wing authoritarian state or a bowel movement.
Your comment is complete nonsense.
"Here is a fact for you:
"President Trump said Saturday that he was prepared to once again send in National Guard troops to cities if asked, following the 86th consecutive night of chaos in Portland, Oregon.
“Another bad night of Rioting in Portland, Oregon. A small number of Federal troops there to protect courthouse and other Federal property only (great job!),” Trump tweeted Saturday morning. “Wanting to be asked by City & State to STOP THE RIOTS. Would bring in National Guard, end problem immediately. ASK!”
Protests were so violent in downtown Portland last night that cops declared it a riot early Saturday.
The crowd of roughly 100 threw glass bottles, broke windows in patrol cars and pointed lasers outside a precinct Friday night before police decided to move in, The Associated Press reported."
nypost.com/2020/08/22/trump-offers-to-send-national-guard-to-portland-to-end-violence/"
What happened in Oregon has NOTHING to do with the tRump mob siege on the Capitol.
Vic, every one of those mother fuckers went through a security entrance. Unless you think that they all did a 'Clark Kent' strip somewhere, their 'swag' was visible for all to see.
So show me the piles of discarded disguises that those mother fuckers dropped in route to the Capitol or admit that your 'posit' is laughable.
I only looked at the crowd in the early morning. It looked to me like a lot of family types.
Vic,
I find it deeply disturbing that you are referring to your fellow Americans who hold an opposite opinion to you, "Enemy of America. Furthermore, what exactly is the counter-revolution? An Idea or a call to action, and if action, what would that action be?
No, they were opposites in terms of ideology, but they used similar violent methods.
What would you call those who don't believe in the 1st, 2nd or 4th Amendments? They no longer believe in Civil liberties or the rule of law. What should I call them?
Furthermore, what exactly is the counter-revolution?
We once had a social revolution in the late 60's. Those individuals left the universities and took control of most of our institutions and are now the ruling class. I believe we are seeing a similar revolution from the other side.
An Idea or a call to action, and if action, what would that action be?
It is hard to say. If it is violent (the FBI is warning of violence in all 50 states on inauguration day) it will surely fail, because this time all the power of government and the media is against it. However, if it can produce leaders it will have some form of influence. I don't know if it will lead to a new political party or win elections, I just know it exists.
Vic,
There is no one that I know of who doesn't believe in those Amendments. Some might feel that there are some limitations to them, but not to do away with them entirely. You can not expect corporations to do what you want them to do. That has been my complaint about them all along. By those standards, shouldn't "Citizens United" be done away with, too?
What needs to be examined is how much power we want to give corporations.
Obama was right on that one - YES!
What needs to be examined is how much power we want to give corporations.
After Twitter and Facebook killed the Hunter Biden story, do you think the democrats will set any limits on them now?
How so? There is no rush by any party to set limits to corporations. We even financially support them... I doubt we would see any change by any party.
So your comment is utterly uninformed. Thanks for admitting as much.
How about monopoly concerns?
Or
BIAS?
The government cannot legislate bias and they should not try.
Two photos of peaceful protestors, the second showing them respecting the line with police just standing there, no pushing or shoving, just peaceful protestors wanting their voices heard. Thank you for pointing out the glaring difference between the protests and the seditious violent attack on the capital by rabid right wing Trump supporters.
The only way to prevent it is to allow everything.
The 'other side' of a social revolution is an anti-social revolution. What we saw at the Capitol qualifies. Is THAT what you support?
Are you FOR violence in all 50 states Vic?
I posit that it's not just the government and media that is against violence, the vast majority of 'we the people' are against it too.
They already HAVE a 'form of influence'. Trump is STILL in office and bore it to fruition through violent rhetoric. We ALL know it exists and MOST of us always knew that Trump's 'movement' would end in violence.
We are supposed to have protection from monopolies thru anti-trust laws.
And everyone has a bias even corporations.
That is unrealistic.
That's ridiculous Vic. There were MULTIPLE seeds from MULTIPLE sources right here on NT about the Hunter Biden 'story'. That proves unequivocally, that NO ONE 'killed' that story.
It was on hourly repeat on FOX and other right wing rags during the 2020 campaign even though the story had nothing to do with Biden. All I fucking heard from right wing media was "What about "the big guy?" "who is the "big guy?" "what about the laptop?!" "waaaah!, Hunter Biden, waaaaah! Hunter Biden waaaaah! Burisma, waaaaah!" for months.
What Vic and others are bitching about is that major news networks didn't carry their water for them and do the same whining about Hunter Biden even though there still hasn't been any proof of any actual conspiracy or crime. Hunter being investigated for tax fraud was supposed to be some damning "Ah Ha!" moment but had zero to do with Joe Biden or the election, but the right was furious that the MSM wasn't smearing Joe Biden with it as if that somehow proved he was complicit or was "dirty". That's what they're really complaining about, yet we never here them bitching about FOX and Breitbart or any right wing media not covering all of the Trump scandals or admitting that he was fairly impeached for trying to extort a foreign government for dirt on his political opponent. Not a peep about that, no it's all the MSM's fault for not being "fair" to Trump and his sycophants.
Unfortunately, there is no Teddy Roosevelt who can't be bought. This time the favors involved the election and all of America can see it.
As I recall I was instructed to use the word "alleged" when I referred to the laptop as Hunter's. That's how it went here!
What an incredibly dishonest argument.
Twitter and Facebook actively suppressed it, and the Biden supporting MSM media ignored it, except to lie about it being "Russian propaganda."
That's irrelevant.
You're deflecting from the facts that you KNOW are true while admitting that you participated in those seeds. Hence proving that your claim that the story was killed is BS.
Get a fucking mirror.
Look up the word 'KILLED' Sean.
It may behoove you to gain a cogent understanding of a thread before posting bullshit kneejerk replies.
The Metropolitan Police Department in Washington is responsible for crowd control in the city, and the mayor told Justice Department officials that she didn't want or need their help. While city police helped retake the Capitol, they were unable to stop the crowd from getting there in the first place.
YOUR link states that the Capitol Police were notified by the FBI.
Oh and BTFW, the NG was supposed to control traffic around the rally. Where the fuck were THEY Vic?
Oh and WHY was the 'Trump group' allowed to being backpacks and polls to the rally when other rally permits PROHIBIT them?
I meant to comment at the time that his link most likely didn't 'state' what he 'stated' it would.
As far as the police presence, with this 'president' - everyone has pretty much been left to 'every man for himself' since he became 'president'. He knew his mob would be unruly yet no plans were made for the planned 'rally' and it's obviously known consequences/potential aftermath of his mob siege, and what his supporters who identified themselves for who they were as trump supporters and they 'WE'RE STORMING THE CAPITOL, IT'S A REVOLUTION"
Maybe they were defunded?
Oh and WHY was the 'Trump group' allowed to being backpacks and polls to the rally when other rally permits PROHIBIT them?
DC also prohibits masks being worn. WHY was antifa not prosecuted for their DC riot in 2016?
Those with the backpacks in the trump mob siege must have been the ones with the zip ties and the molotov cocktails and the IEDs
Back in a few. Keep it civil.
No they are not. They are putting the squelch on traitorous, lying, filthy scum like Trump so they cannot spread their untruths and plan seditious acts. Trump should be in jail, along with Hawley and Stefanik and the rest of the mob that rushed the capitol for the sole purpose of overturning a legal and valid election.
Says it all
Peaceful protestors always erect gallows. /s
And just happen to find all the things to make that along the 'protest' route...
That election like the general election was marred by rules changes that benefited democrats.
Oh... you mean changes like... purging voting rolls, reducing polling places, and the like... supported by Republicans.
Why not encourage EVERY eligible voter to vote in EVERY election??? Why not make it EASIER for everyone to vote??? Oh... I see... I guess that would mean Republicans would have difficulty winning elections in all but the reddest of red states.
Abolish the electoral college!