The Radical Left Unleashed

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  2 weeks ago  •  359 comments


The Radical Left Unleashed
Last month, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) urged the creation of lists of Trump supporters to be held “accountable” for supporting the president after the election. Some of her allies created The Trump Accountability Project, which would serve as a blacklist of people who supported or had ties to the Trump administration, even federal judges appointed by the president.

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This past week saw the final chapter in the 2020 election - the victories of two radical democratic candidates in the state of Georgia. That election like the general election was marred by rules changes that benefited democrats. The wining margins were razor close and thanks to the sister of Stacey Abrams (GA's democratic machine) those who moved from the state were legally allowed to vote. This now means that as long as Senate democrats vote as a solid unit, they can pass most of their agenda and Joe Biden's judicial appointments will be approved.

We also saw violence in the capitol this past week as some of Donald Trump's supporters were able to break into the Capitol building as well as certain congressional chambers. Unlike all the leftist violence we were subjected to for months the demonstrators faced guns drawn with intent to use them. The DC mayor Muriel Browser called the FBI, Capitol police, DC police, the Maryland State Police & Guard and the Virginia State Police & Guard. In stark contrast to when she had her police stand down when BLM and assorted leftist protesters vandalized Lafayette Square, burning buildings, including a historic church and almost tearing down a statue of Andrew Jackson as well as attempting to storm the White House, she called for every security force available. In 2016, after Donald Trump prepared for his inauguration, antifa rioted in DC causing considerable damage and it was hardly mentioned.

What happened to those rioters you ask?

Muriel Browser had a major DC street painted with the slogan "Black Lives Matter."

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Muriel Browser (progressive activist)

BTW after the Capitol building incident which left a female Air Force Veteran and a police officer dead, Browser's first order of business was to push for DC statehood, which would guarantee two more democratic Senators for a congress which is destined to face an angry public in 2022.


Impeachment Act 2

Nancy Pelosi with a full head of steam is now looking to end any chance that Donald Trump will run again in 2024. She is counting heads and making lists. The nation will have to endure another faux impeachment, but this time the votes of never-Trump Republican Senators will be crucial. They are going to blame the President for the riots and try to end his political career once and for all.

HR 10 is not far off.



Censorship Act 2

A crackdown on Civil Liberties has begun. The great leftist social media giants are censoring speech. Twitter has permanently suspended Donald Trump's account and Facebook soon followed. Google removed the free speech outlet Parler from it's Play Store app and Apple has threatened to do the same. Simon &  Schuster cancelled publication of Josh Hawley's book because he also seems to be on the left's enemies list.

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Joe Biden


The proxy-in-Chief

Worst of all is the proxy that will be entering the White House. Let's leave aside his cognitive dysfunction. Yesterday we found him claiming that BLM protestors would have been treated differently than the Trump supporters, as if the unprepared DC police were some kind of racists. The truth is that the BLM protesters were treated differently, but in a much different way than the ever confused Biden claimed. BLM was able to do anything it wanted in 2020. Blue state governors & mayors had their police forces stand down during all the rioting and violence. Nobody was protected from the left wing mob. This time rioters will be punished as they should have been all year.

Instead of demonizing half the population, maybe Joe should remember what he told us about being a leader for all the people and seeking unity. Maybe he never read the words that were written for him. The outgoing President conceded the other day and asked for unity and an orderly transition. Joe Biden rejected the overture. He too is intoxicated with all the power now back in the hands of our leftist ruling class. 


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Vic Eldred
1  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

Buckle up - We are in for a long, brutal, Orwellian ride. 


Rules will be vigorously enforced

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago
"Buckle up - We are in for a long, brutal, Orwellian ride."

That ride is ending, by January 20th, 2021.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
1.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    2 weeks ago

It is funny you think it is over. 

How long do you think BLM, Antifa, and other far left nut jobs will give Biden to enact their radical changes? They aren't the patient types.

Think that cracking down on far alt right groups only will bring peace? It will only re enforce the us vs them divide; and basement Joe's tone deaf responses will only deepen the hate. Of course nothing will be his fault. No one with a D behind their name is ever wrong; ever takes responsibility for anything; or is ever a part of any problem.

4 more years of blaming Trump for everything the Democrats can't fix; and fuck up even further. Obama did it with Bush Jr- so the template is already set.

 

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

Speaking of tone deaf.

"No one with a D behind their name is ever wrong; ever takes responsibility for anything; or is ever a part of any problem."

In what alternate reality do you reside?

"4 more years of blaming Trump for everything the Democrats can't fix; and fuck up even further. Obama did it with Bush Jr- so the template is already set."

Not true.

"Think that cracking down on far alt right groups only will bring peace?" 

Cracking down on these far right whackjob groups/domestic terrorists, finally, a bunch of them have been arrested after their siege on the Capitol the other day.  It can only bring peace when these freaks/vermin/scum are brought to justice.

tRump has made sure that everything is FUBAR at this point.  He's made the U.S. into quite the SNAFU but don't worry, President Elect and the Democrats will put things back to rights.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
1.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.2    2 weeks ago
In what alternate reality do you reside?

The left's idea of taking responsibility is Obama's joke about "shovel ready jobs not being so shovel ready". Or how about Obama's claim no one in his administration ever told him anything- he had to find out about it through the media. Of course I am not a tone deaf partisan. Until 4 short years ago I was an independent that hated both sides.

Not true.

Not even Politico believes that.

Cracking down on these far right whackjob groups/domestic terrorists, finally, a bunch of them have been arrested after their siege on the Capitol the other day.  It can only bring peace when these freaks/vermin/scum are brought to justice.

Looking forward to the left supporting crackdown on BLM, Antifa, and their far left wing idiotic brothers and sisters. You can start by calling out the Democratic enablers for those groups at the local (Mayors); State (Governors); and National (Congress) levels. They are just as guilty as the POS they support and enable.

tRump has made sure that everything is FUBAR at this point.  He's made the U.S. into quite the SNAFU but don't worry, President Elect and the Democrats will put things back to rights.  

Keep living in your rainbow and unicorn fantasy land. You just proved everything I stated correct. Four more years of left denial; and blaming Trump for everything they can't fix and fuck up further.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.3    2 weeks ago
"You just proved everything I stated correct."

Nope, never.  

Your whataboutism/false equivalencies are so tiresome.  

 
 
 
devangelical
1.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago

it sucks that the implosion of the republican party caused by POTUS provoked domestic terrorists and his gullible sore loser followers is spewing shit all over decent america.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.2    2 weeks ago
"it sucks that the implosion of the republican party caused by POTUS provoked domestic terrorists and his gullible sore losers is spewing it's shit all over decent america."

Really we've had to listen to the 'president' and his supporters spewing shit out of every orifice for over four years now.  

 
 
 
pat wilson
1.3  pat wilson  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago

What are the rules ?

 
 
 
MAGA
1.4  MAGA  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    one week ago

Yes we are.  A true night mare coming our way.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
2  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

Her list should include everyone who broke into and occupied the Capitol on Wednesday at the 'president's' urging.  He even said he'd walk with them to the Capitol but he did not, he turned tail and fled like the coward that he is.  

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1  MAGA  replied to  Tessylo @2    one week ago

The President never urged anyone to break into the capitol building.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
3  Tessylo    2 weeks ago
     

The Radical Left Unleashed

I'd say the Radical Right has been Unleashed by their leader on Wednesday, when they broke into and occupied the Capitol at the 'president's' urging.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
4  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

"That election like the general election was marred by rules changes that benefited democrats."

What rules changes benefitted Democrats?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4    2 weeks ago
What rules changes benefitted Democrats?

We can start with the most recent one:

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.1  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    2 weeks ago

You might as well cite Instagram. It's about as credible.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.2  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    2 weeks ago

Oh let's DO start with that Vic. 

From YOUR link:

The Ruling

The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 [NVRA] does not allow removing voters “ unless the voter confirms in writing that he or she has moved outside of the county or does not respond to a notice and has not voted in two federal election cycles.”

A state can only remove voters 90 days before a federal election unless officials meet specific requirements such as the voter confirming “in writing that he or she has moved outside of the county or does not respond to a notice and has not voted in two federal election cycles .”

I'm sure that a well informed guy like you KNOWS that NEITHER county fulfilled either of those MANDATES from that FEDERAL LAW. In fact the challenge from Muscogee County states:

On December 14, 2020 , Ralph Russell filed a challenge to the eligibility of 4,033 registered voters in Muscogee County to vote in the Runoff Elections. Russell stated, The grounds for my challenge are that I have evidence that there are approximately 4,033 individuals registered to vote in Muscogee county who reside outside of the State of Georgia.
This information was gathered by running the Muscogee County voter registration data base against the National Change of Address Registry.

In short, they admit that their challenge doesn't follow Federal law and the Muscogee County board VIOLATED that law by voting to disenfranchise those voters. 

So, HOW does that link support your posit? Please be specific Vic. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

That's why I don't bother to read those types of links . . . they NEVER say what the poster alleges that they will

 
 
 
MAGA
4.2  MAGA  replied to  Tessylo @4    one week ago

Lots of them...

 
 
 
Tessylo
5  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

"Unlike all the leftist violence we were subjected to for months the demonstrators faced guns drawn with intent to use them."  

When did that happen?

By the way, these were not demonstrators, they were right wing domestic terrorists, they were a mob, they were insurrectionists.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5    2 weeks ago
When did that happen?

When Ashly Babbitt was gunned down.


By the way, these were not demonstrators, they were right wing domestic terrorists, they were a mob, they were insurrectionists.  

I know that's the left's narrative. They are just like any other protestor with a grievance.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    2 weeks ago

She was a domestic terrorist who brought this on herself.  Live like a domestic terrorist, die like one.  

They were not protesters, they were domestic terrorists, there at the 'president's' urging.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
5.1.2  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    2 weeks ago

Someone holding a sign and chanting on a sidewalk in front of a building is a protester with a grievance. Storming the United States Capitol building with an intent to cause destruction and/or harm, in retaliation for and against an election process and duly elected government officials, and egged on by the President himself, is not a protester with a grievance. They're a domestic terrorist and should be treated as such. Such actions is inexcusable and any support of such actions only demonstrates a level of complicity. 

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.3  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    2 weeks ago
When Ashly Babbitt was gunned down

And here I thought the right believed in stand your ground...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    2 weeks ago
They are just like any other protestor with a grievance.

Vic, was the guy who entered the Senate chamber dressed like a terrorist ,and with a fist full of zip ties, a "protester" ? 

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.5  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.4    2 weeks ago

One man that had some zip cuffs was ex military.

He was identified and people talked to his family. They said he had started to become more and more radical in the last several months.

No matter what some say, everyone could see the extreme rhetoric coming from some right wing pundits.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    2 weeks ago
"They are just like any other protestor with a grievance."

What was their 'grievance'?  That they LOST?  FAIR AND SQUARE?

 
 
 
Gordy327
5.1.7  Gordy327  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.6    2 weeks ago

I'll bet they believe the nonsense that the election was stolen. At this point, holding such a view is just delusional. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Gordy327 @5.1.7    2 weeks ago

Well a lot of the morons were holding signs saying stop the steal.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
5.1.9  Gordy327  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.8    2 weeks ago

Like I said, delusional. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
5.1.10  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.4    2 weeks ago

He needed the zip ties for sealing up trash bags that he was going to fill when he cleaned up after his 20k friends, because he’s a model patriotic citizen.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @5.1.10    2 weeks ago

I heard some of the 'patriots' urinated and defecated on the floors/carpets. 

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.12  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    2 weeks ago
When Ashly Babbitt was gunned down.

Once she entered the Capitol, she went from a 'demonstrator' to an insurgent terrorist. 

Fail. 

 
 
 
Kavika
5.1.13  Kavika   replied to  Ender @5.1.5    2 weeks ago

He was a retired Lt. Col in the Air Force.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.14  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    2 weeks ago
I know that's the left's narrative. 

That isn't a 'narrative' that is a FACT. 

They are just like any other protestor with a grievance.

Utter delusion and an epic false equivalency. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.15  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.4    2 weeks ago

And if he was dressed in black with a mask what would he be?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.16  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @5.1.14    2 weeks ago
Utter delusion and an epic false equivalency. 

Maybe democrats shouldn't have changed all those election laws before the election.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.17  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    2 weeks ago
I know that's the left's narrative. They are just like any other protestor with a grievance.

No Vic. Not when a mob breaks into our government buildings where members of Congress were in session, and who were armed and had bombs. That is the very definition of an intersection. If it was the left, you would be screaming bloody murder.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.18  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.17    2 weeks ago
That is the very definition of an intersection.

You are right. I'm not defending them, nor do they have much to do with my article.


 If it was the left, you would be screaming bloody murder.

They have and I did!  You may recall they almost burned down a federal Courthouse.

 
 
 
lib50
5.1.19  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.16    2 weeks ago

In PA the republicans changed those laws, they wrote the changes.Can't change their minds just because they lost.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.1.20  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.18    2 weeks ago

They ‘almost burned down a federal Courthouse’ but they actually stormed the U.S. Capitol...killing one charged to protect it and injuring scores more. 

Deflect away as you choose, but the circumstances you cite for the former do no way equate to the latter. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.21  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @5.1.19    2 weeks ago
In PA the republicans changed those laws

Show us where the State Legislature changed those laws to allow for those votes being counted days after the election.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.22  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  r.t..b... @5.1.20    2 weeks ago
They ‘almost burned down a federal Courthouse’ but they actually stormed the U.S. Capitol..

The difference was the President had the Courthouse protected, despite much criticism. Bill Barr even asked if people really thought the federal courthouse should be left unprotected. That is what barely saved the Courthouse. For whatever the reason the Capitol building security was lacking.

 
 
 
lib50
5.1.23  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.21    2 weeks ago

Maybe had something to do with Trump and Louis DeJoy slowing down the USPS and working hard to deny people the vote. And no, I'm not going to explain voter suppression and closing places to vote or ballot boxes, etc.  Mail in votes have always been counted later where I've lived. Do you live in PA? Take it up with your reps. If not, butt out .

 
 
 
bugsy
5.1.24  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.1    2 weeks ago
She was a domestic terrorist who brought this on herself.  Live like a domestic terrorist, die like one.

So you agree the same about BLM and ANTIFA that break into businesses to loot and burn them down.

Good to know you believe they should die like terrorists, too,.

 
 
 
bugsy
5.1.25  bugsy  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.15    2 weeks ago
And if he was dressed in black with a mask what would he be?

Well, it depends to the left. If he was standing on a street corner doing nothing, he is just another guy

If he was breaking into buildings to burn and loot them, he is a hero.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.26  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.16    2 weeks ago
Maybe democrats shouldn't have changed all those election laws before the election.

The changes to the election laws in Pennsylvania were made by REPUBLICAN lawmakers. 

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Dulay
5.1.27  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.18    2 weeks ago
You may recall they almost burned down a federal Courthouse.

Wow that there is some hyperbolic bullshit. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.28  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @5.1.26    2 weeks ago
The changes to the election laws in Pennsylvania were made by REPUBLICAN lawmakers. 

Please educate yourself:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/12/07/levin_why_pennsylvania_mail-in-ballot_changes_are_unconstitutional.html#!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.29  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @5.1.27    2 weeks ago
Wow that there is some hyperbolic bullshit. 

It's so sad. You always seem to be wading through bullshit.  Here:

"Portland protesters barricaded federal officers inside a courthouse — and tried to set the building on fire — as the two groups clashed again Tuesday night into Wednesday."

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.30  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @5.1.23    2 weeks ago

No, I'm not butting out. We don't ever want this to happen again.

Otherwise we will end up like CA.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.31  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.28    2 weeks ago

OH the irony of telling me to educate myself and then posting a video of Mark Levin.

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Dulay
5.1.32  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.29    2 weeks ago
It's so sad. You always seem to be wading through bullshit.  Here

Much of it content from within your seeds or comments. 

Seriously Vic? The video in your link shows a guy with a bic lighter trying to burn a CEMENT barrier that the FEDS installed.

Just more of your sad attempts at false equivalencies. 

 
 
 
bugsy
5.1.33  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @5.1.32    2 weeks ago

Is the AP lying? Well they are left wing, afterall, so maybe.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.34  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @5.1.33    2 weeks ago

Where in that comment did I say anything about lying bugsy? Do try to follow the thread. 

 
 
 
bugsy
5.1.35  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @5.1.34    2 weeks ago
Where in that comment did I say anything about lying bugsy?

Never said you did. Try keeping up.

In 5.1.27, you accused Texan of hyperbole. I gave you proof he is right, even from a left wing source.

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1.36  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    one week ago
They are just like any other protestor with a grievance.

What about the ones that deliberately murdered that cop?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.37  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @5.1.36    one week ago

Anyone who murders a cop should get the death penalty. I'm sure you agree.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.38  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @5.1.35    one week ago
I gave you proof he is right, even from a left wing source.

Nope. Your link doesn't prove that they 'tried to burn down' the courthouse either. There was fire damage to ONE office in the Courthouse. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.1.39  Sean Treacy  replied to  bugsy @5.1.35    one week ago

"Your proof from the AP proving the rioters tried to burn the courthouse down doesn't prove they tried to burn the courthouse down.":

This is what makes NT comedic gold...

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.40  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @5.1.38    one week ago
"Nope. Your link doesn't prove that they 'tried to burn down' the courthouse either. There was fire damage to ONE office in the Courthouse."

She never provides proof of anything.

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.2  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @5    2 weeks ago
the demonstrators faced guns drawn with intent to use them."  When did that happen?

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Tessylo
5.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @5.2    one week ago

Well about time!  When you act like a domestic terrorist, you should get treated like a domestic terrorist. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
6  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

"The DC mayor Muriel Browser called the FBI, Capitol police, DC police, the Maryland State Police & Guard and the Virginia State Police & Guard."

The DC mayor had to call those folks, because the 'president' said this should be handled by the local police.  No planning was made to handle this mob of right wing domestic terrorists.

Maryland Governor Hogan (My governor) was called by Stenny Hoyer while under siege asking, pleading, begging for help.

It took 90 MINUTES

The 'president' put everyone in the Capitol in danger, republicans and Democrats alike, while he hid in his bunker.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @6    2 weeks ago
No planning was made

I'm sure nobody ever thought that anyone in that rally would turn violent. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    2 weeks ago

Rally?  Really?  

 
 
 
Gordy327
6.1.2  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    2 weeks ago

And on what basis do you make that assertion? Your opinion?

 
 
 
Dragon
6.1.3  Dragon  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    2 weeks ago

Trump and his minions have been calling for violence for months...anyone who thought right wing terrorists wouldn't be violent was in denial. Look at the group who were going to attempt to kidnap a governor, look at posts on right wing websites. These right wing terrorists have been aching for violence for years now,  Trump and his minions encouraged them.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Dragon @6.1.3    2 weeks ago

He's been setting the stage for months because he knew he'd lose with mail in voting, said so himself.

Funny because he is a 'mail in voter' along with some other posters here who said that though they were a mail in voter themselves, anyone else who was a mail in voter was lazy.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    2 weeks ago
I'm sure nobody ever thought that anyone in that rally would turn violent. 

This is, of course, utter nonsense. The next day the "protesters" were out in force on their social media, some of them distraught that Trump had failed to do what they thought he had promised to do, physically lead them in a storming of the House and Senate, where they would then watch Mike Pence declare the election invalid. 

What do you or they think that law enforcement, secret service, US Marshals , etc  would be doing while all this was going on? 

No one in that crowd thought they would get their way by standing on the outside of the Capitol chanting.  No one. 

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.6  Ender  replied to  Dragon @6.1.3    2 weeks ago

They were chanting to hang Pence.

I have been reading from people that monitor extreme right wing sites.

They have been advocating violence for a while now.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.5    2 weeks ago
"What do you or they think that law enforcement, secret service, US Marshals , etc  would be doing while all this was going on?"

Stand back and stand by?

 
 
 
Kavika
6.1.8  Kavika   replied to  Ender @6.1.6    2 weeks ago

ADL has been monitoring the crazy RW sites for some time and were turning the information to the proper channels. They became alarmed that nothing was being done and posted the info on ADL blog.

The information was all over the internet and it was a epic failure of the agencies especially the Capital Police. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
6.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    2 weeks ago
I'm sure nobody ever thought that anyone in that rally would turn violent.

That would be incredibly naive.

Does that include the "protestors"  the one's who brought lead pipes? 9 Molotav cocktails, an M4, assorted handguns? Two live pipe bombs left at the RNC & DNC HQs?

No planning? How about the guy with the American flag attached to a wooden baseball bat?

How did they find Clyburns unmarked office, or  Pelosi's and Schumer's offices?

This was planned with inside help.

 
 
 
devangelical
6.1.10  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.9    2 weeks ago
This was planned with inside help.

"follow me inside you guys, ted is saving some seats in the gallery"

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Gordy327
6.1.11  Gordy327  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.9    2 weeks ago

When people start protesting, it's like a powder keg ready to blow up into a full blown riot. All that's needed is a spark. And Trump lit that fuse with a flamethrower in DC. People's collective stupidity in "protesting" or rioting only adds fuel to that fire.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.9    2 weeks ago
That would be incredibly naive.

Maybe, but I believe Tucker Carlson said it best, when you looked at them you didn't see the angry nihilist we saw this past summer, you saw people like us. For the most part I saw a lot of common people.


Does that include the "protestors"  the one's who brought lead pipes? 9 Molotav cocktails, an M4, assorted handguns? Two live pipe bombs left at the RNC & DNC HQs?

Ah NO!  Were they obvious about the weapons they carried?  How soon did you notice?


No planning?

Did I say that?


 How about the guy with the American flag attached to a wooden baseball bat?

I never saw that before the Capitol was stormed. Did you?


How did they find Clyburns unmarked office, or  Pelosi's and Schumer's offices?

Maybe they read the polished name plates outside their offices.


This was planned with inside help.

My turn - A conspiracy theory - PROVE IT!

 
 
 
pat wilson
6.1.13  pat wilson  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.12    2 weeks ago
you saw people like us

Like this ?

512

or this ?

512

or this ?

512

SPEAK FOR YOURSELF !

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dragon @6.1.3    2 weeks ago

These were among the issues raised 15 years ago by the bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform that sound eerily familiar in 2020

Mail-in voting, ballot harvesting, inaccurate voter lists, dead people voting, barring election observers, faulty voting machines, media calling elections too early and the touting of exit polls.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.15  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  pat wilson @6.1.13    2 weeks ago

Obviously not.

That was not representative of everyone who was there.  You keep those pictures with the BLM & antifa ones we had for the past 7 months.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.1.16  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.15    2 weeks ago

Making exceptions is but making excuses. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.17  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  r.t..b... @6.1.16    2 weeks ago

All summer we heard that the peaceful protests were highjacked and they were mostly peaceful. Now I have a half dozen people who would rather not talk about democrats wielding power.

So tell me, how many times do you need me to denounce those who stormed the Capitol building?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.1.18  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.17    2 weeks ago

Doing so without citing politically expedient talking points from the past would be a start.

Otherwise it simply comes across as justification for the unjustifiable.

 
 
 
lib50
6.1.19  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    2 weeks ago

Actually that's not true, and anybody who even briefly goes on twitter or facebook saw warning signs. Tuesday night I told my husband the Qtipped magas were going batshit about what was about to happen. Wait til we find out how deep the sedition goes. Defense and Pentagon have to answer why DC was denied National Guard. And looks like state republican AG's helped organize this sedition.But that will all be coming out soon enough.  Remember those BLM protests? Pretty different treatment between peaceful protesters and white racist domestic terrorists trying to overturn the election, don't you think?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.20  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  r.t..b... @6.1.18    2 weeks ago

I'm not sure how it comes across to some, but my name isn't Trump. I only say it once and Post # 5.1.18 is clear for all to see.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.21  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @6.1.19    2 weeks ago

To be fair, the only person I recall saying/predicting something happening was right here on NT. That was JR. I don't recall the seed, but he came close to predicting it. I was shocked by it.


Remember those BLM protests? Pretty different treatment between peaceful protesters and white racist domestic terrorists trying to overturn the election, don't you think?

Yup BLM & antifa were treated with restraint & understanding.

 
 
 
lib50
6.1.22  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.21    2 weeks ago

Sure they were, Vic. Remember Trump's photo op at the church a million years ago? Go look at the video.

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.23  Tacos!  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.21    2 weeks ago
To be fair, the only person I recall saying/predicting something happening was right here on NT. That was JR. I don't recall the seed, but he came close to predicting it. I was shocked by it.

Except that people have been making predictions like that for years. It's every day that Trump supporters are predicted to be violent "tomorrow" or "tonight" at this or that rally. Before that, it was predicted for all the Tea Party rallies. Then it finally happens, and the prediction is valid? I don't think so. I could predict an earthquake every day, but when one finally comes that doesn't make me wise or right in my predictions.

 
 
 
Split Personality
6.1.24  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.12    2 weeks ago
Maybe they read the polished name plates outside their offices.

Clyburn has two offices, one of which is an unmarked office in some obsure part of the maze inside the Capitol.

It was vandalized and his PC & laptop were taken....

My turn - A conspiracy theory - PROVE IT!

I trust that the FBI will get to the bottom soon enough and more Capital police will lose their jobs as well as the off duty

officers from across the country who were embedded in the crowd and flashing their badges to the Feds.

All things will become clear in good time.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.25  JohnRussell  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.9    2 weeks ago

Watching Vic try to resurrect Donald Trump's reputation and standing is like watching someone try to keep water from falling through a sieve. 

 
 
 
Thomas
6.1.26  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.12    2 weeks ago
Maybe, but I believe Tucker Carlson said it best, when you looked at them you didn't see the angry nihilist we saw this past summer, you saw people like us. For the most part I saw a lot of common people.

Yeah, what Tucker "I'm a big fucking asshole" Carlson meant is that the people were mostly white, with badges, instead of black people. Nice one, Vic. Way to show your true colors, literally.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
6.1.27  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    2 weeks ago

I'm sure nobody ever thought that anyone in that rally would turn violent. 

I wonder what suddenly got them so riled up that they were chanting “Hang Mike Pence!! Hang Mike Pence!!”

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.28  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.23    2 weeks ago
Except that people have been making predictions like that for years. It's every day that Trump supporters are predicted to be violent "tomorrow" or "tonight" at this or that rally.

That is 100% correct. When the day finally came that it happened on the other side, they used it to create censorship and see to it that Trump can't run again in 2024. They do have all the power and full control of the lying media. They will impeach him within 2 weeks and the Senate will rule that he can no longer run for public office.

It's as I said before the final act for a tragic hero. He served the country well and delivered exactly what was needed, but nobody wants him back.

Somebody once said "the movement needs a martyr."  Let it begin.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.29  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.24    2 weeks ago
Clyburn has two offices, one of which is an unmarked office in some obsure part of the maze inside the Capitol.

Well if you know that, why wouldn't anyone else?


All things will become clear in good time.

Amen and Women!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.30  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @6.1.26    2 weeks ago
Yeah, what Tucker "I'm a big fucking asshole" Carlson meant

I take it you don't like him?

He meant what he said. There weren't many angry nihilist student types in that crowd.  BTW it seems that most of antifa appears to be white. Why are you so concerned with race?   I thought progressives could get beyond that.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.31  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.1.27    2 weeks ago
they were chanting “Hang Mike Pence!! Hang Mike Pence!!”

Are you sure they were all chanting that?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
6.1.32  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.31    2 weeks ago

Are you sure they were all chanting that?

Why are you so resistant to believing your own eyes and ears?  Never mind, stupid question.  As I’ve said elsewhere on this site, it’s getting boring here since the right has given up on defending the actions of their compatriots and gone full Trump MAGA in the honesty department.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.33  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.1.32    2 weeks ago
Why are you so resistant to believing your own eyes and ears?

On what?


 As I’ve said elsewhere on this site, it’s getting boring here since the right has given up on defending the actions of their compatriots and gone full Trump MAGA in the honesty department.

Talk about boring! The rest of us denounced what happened days ago and progressives are still posting pictures. You don't like it now that the shoe is on the other foot. Too bad!

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
6.1.34  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.33    2 weeks ago

You’ve just denied the clear and obvious chant in the video, twice in a row.  Sorry Hellen Keller, you have zero credibility.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.35  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.31    2 weeks ago

Vic your level of denial is off the charts. It is the Mt Olympus of Trump supporting denial. At least on this site. 

Are you sure they were all chanting that?

I wish I had a dollar for every time you have asked a similar question in defense of Trump or his followers over the past 4 years. It has been bizarre and it has been offensive. You knew that they were chanting "Hang Mike Pence". You knew that. No one would make up such a specific line. Yet you want to make people waste their time "proving" it to you. 

Donald Trump does so many egregious things that they lap over each other like the endless beat of waves on a shore. Trump committed an impeachable offense just a couple weeks ago when he asked the Secretary of State of Georgia to "find" 11,780 votes for him so he could win that state. He was asking that man to commit a crime on Trump's behalf. Two weeks ago. Two weeks later he is telling 40,000 people to go to the Capitol building and "fight" to do something that is constitutionally impossible, but something that would please Trump. 

We have had it with this shit. Trump will go, but his minions will stay, like rot in the foundation. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.36  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.28    2 weeks ago
It's as I said before the final act for a tragic hero. He served the country well and delivered exactly what was needed, but nobody wants him back.Somebody once said "the movement needs a martyr."  Let it begin.

Completely bizarre. 

You never took the time to understand the malignancy of Donald Trump's personality. So you simply took him at the face value of the fact that he enacted certain policies that you like. Its along the lines of "Mussolini made the trains run on time". 

If Trump is a hero, it is for all the wrong reasons. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
6.1.37  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  lib50 @6.1.19    2 weeks ago

Defense and the Pentagon do not have to answer about the actions of the National Guard except in time of war or national emergency. In peacetime, the Guard is under the control of individual state governors to deploy, so ask them why the delay in mobilizing in DC. DOD and Pentagon only control the National Guard units when they are federalized and/or mobilized by congress in times of national emergency or war.

 
 
 
Kavika
6.1.38  Kavika   replied to  Ed-NavDoc @6.1.37    2 weeks ago

The D.C. NG is controlled by the President and the DOD. The MD NG was ready to go and it could not until it received permission from the President or the DOD to move into the Capitol grounds. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
6.1.39  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Kavika @6.1.38    2 weeks ago

I was in error. My thanks for the correction.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.40  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.1.34    2 weeks ago
You’ve just denied the clear and obvious chant in the video, twice in a row.

Nope - YOU SAID EVERYONE THERE WAS CHANTING THAT! :

I wonder what suddenly got them so riled up that they were chanting 

I asked you if they all were chanting that. You provided a film of those who were at the doors of the Capitol.

Sorry CNN, you have zero credibility.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
6.1.41  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.40    2 weeks ago

The last time I heard such uniform and thunderous noise was at an outdoor Metallica concert.  [DELETED]

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.42  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.35    2 weeks ago
Vic your level of denial is off the charts.

What the fuck am I denying?


I wish I had a dollar for every time you have asked a similar question in defense of Trump or his followers over the past 4 years. It has been bizarre and it has been offensive. You knew that they were chanting "Hang Mike Pence". You knew that. No one would make up such a specific line. Yet you want to make people waste their time "proving" it to you. 

You are claiming something that you simply can't prove and it's to smear everyone there. 


Donald Trump does so many egregious things that they lap over each other like the endless beat of waves on a shore. 

Give it up John. You won the election, tell us what the brain dead ass you put in the White House will do.


We have had it with this shit. Trump will go, but his minions will stay, like rot in the foundation. 

The movement he created will continue.

Anything else?  The article perhaps?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.43  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.1.41    2 weeks ago

You simply can't prove that everyone in that enormous crowd was chanting that.

Admit the truth.

 
 
 
Kavika
6.1.44  Kavika   replied to  Ed-NavDoc @6.1.39    2 weeks ago

No problem, Doc.

 
 
 
devangelical
6.1.45  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.28    2 weeks ago
Somebody once said "the movement needs a martyr."  Let it begin.

stand back and stand by. there's a fat one with a big mouth coming soon. the end will be documented in glorious HD for all his seditious followers to witness.

 
 
 
Thomas
6.1.46  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.30    2 weeks ago
I take it you don't like him?

How astute. I used to think that he may have had something relevant to say, way back around the turn of the century. lost track of him for quite awhile, and when he popped back into my particular reality, he had gone over to the dark side and was spewing distortions instead of truths. If I had the time or the inclination I could go through all of his commentary and find at least one distortion and several false or logically corrupt statements a minute. So, I really don't have any respect for the man.

There weren't many angry nihilist student types in that crowd.

How do you know? Do you know what they look like? What are their defining features? 

BTW it seems that most of antifa appears to be white.

Again, How do you know? Do you know what they look like? What are their defining features?

Why are you so concerned with race?   I thought progressives could get beyond that.

I am personally concerned that different people get treated differently depending on how they look.

My rate of follicular generation used to be high enough to keep my hair at waist length or longer, and as a result, I noticed some people would treat me differently than they treated other people. I first noticed this when I was a teen and later in job interviews. My experience has been such that I have an inkling of understanding when someone is treated differently because of some outward manifestation. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.47  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @6.1.46    2 weeks ago
My rate of follicular generation used to be high enough to keep my hair at waist length or longer, and as a result, I noticed some people would treat me differently than they treated other people. I first noticed this when I was a teen and later in job interviews. My experience has been such that I have an inkling of understanding when someone is treated differently because of some outward manifestation. 

It's so ironic that you mention that. I remember that era. I took full advantage of it. I always had a fresh haircut, tie & jacket and shoes like mirrors for my first job interviews. I landed every job I wanted.

 
 
 
devangelical
6.1.48  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.47    2 weeks ago
a fresh haircut, tie & jacket and shoes like mirrors

... a nixon campaign button on the right lapel, purchased 4F deferment papers, breath mints, and a small jar of vaseline.

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.49  Ender  replied to  devangelical @6.1.48    2 weeks ago

While handing out fliers warning of the red menace.

 
 
 
Thomas
6.1.50  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.47    2 weeks ago
I landed every job I wanted.

So have I. If the people were so small minded that they mentioned it, I knew right then that I did not want the job.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.51  Tessylo  replied to  Gordy327 @6.1.11    one week ago

"And Trump lit that fuse with a flamethrower in DC. People's collective stupidity in "protesting" or rioting only adds fuel to that fire."

And poured gasoline on the fire.  Said he'd lead them, waddle with them,  to the Capitol yet, like the coward that he is, turned tail and fled to his bunker

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.52  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.12    one week ago

Trump was more upset that Capitol mob looked ‘low class’ than about violent attacks, reports say

Advisers say the president was ‘turned off’ by the look of his supporters as they attacked the US Capitol
"Maybe, but I believe Tucker Carlson said it best, when you looked at them you didn't see the angry nihilist we saw this past summer, you saw people like us. For the most part I saw a lot of common people."

The 'president' said this mob was low class.  They reflect the 'president' very well.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.53  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.28    one week ago
"It's as I said before the final act for a tragic hero. He served the country well and delivered exactly what was needed, but nobody wants him back."

Oh my GOD, excuse me while I vomit!

 
 
 
Tessylo
7  Tessylo    2 weeks ago
"A crackdown on Civil Liberties has begun." 

You have got to be kidding me

"The great leftist social media giants are censoring speech. Twitter has permanently suspended Donald Trump's account and Facebook soon followed. Google removed the free speech outlet Parler from it's Play Store app and Apple has threatened to do the same. Simon &  Schuster cancelled publication of Josh Hawley's book because he also seems to be on the left's enemies list."

You are not allowed to incite riots/mobs/right wing domestic terrorists on social media.

You are supposed to play by their rules OR YOU'RE GONE.

This is so wonderful!  You cannot ask for a valid election to be overturned, encourage right wing domestic terrorists that break into and occupy the Capitol at the 'president's' urging and yours, and expect to profit from it!  You hit this hypocrite right in his wallet where it hurts!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @7    2 weeks ago
You have got to be kidding me

No Tess, I'm very serious.


You are not allowed to incite riots/mobs/right wing domestic terrorists on social media.

That's an interpretation. I have the same one about calling people "White Supremacists"


You are supposed to play by their rules OR YOU'RE GONE.

Then what happened in Seattle, Portland, Chicago and DC this past year?????

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1    2 weeks ago

It's not an interpretation - it's truth.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
7.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1    2 weeks ago

That was the Democrats at the state and local level enabling their Brown Shirts. Vandalism, looting, arson, assault, and murder are great when they have a pliable media following their narrative that it was all Trump's fault.

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @7.1.2    2 weeks ago

It was all 'tRumps' fault.  I see you consistently engage in whataboutism when there are absolutely no comparisons to the siege at the Capitol at the 'presidents' urging.  

 
 
 
devangelical
7.1.4  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1    2 weeks ago
Then what happened in Seattle, Portland, Chicago and DC this past year?????

when was congress in joint session in those other cities to count electoral votes?????

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @7.1.4    2 weeks ago

Congress?

Those cities and more were vandalized and burned and the police were held back. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @7.1.2    2 weeks ago

Yes, that was all part of the progressive plan to make America a living hell going into the election.

 
 
 
lib50
7.1.7  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1    2 weeks ago
Then what happened in Seattle, Portland, Chicago and DC this past year?????

Well at least a couple of Seattle cops were part of the sedition, so perhaps BLM has a point about cops and their racism. That failed coup was full of known, proud and loud white supremacists and other domestic terrorists, who made their feelings well known, I might add.  BLM didn't try to overturn an election by violence and lies. Murder and treason. Racism and propaganda conspiracy crap. This failed coup proved just how unequal our justice system is. I saw Capitol police taking selfies with terrorists (who also took a shit there, those magas are so classy).  Wait til we expose the security decisions, who made them and when. A lot of info being sifted through now, and my prediction is the treason goes far deeper up the chain than we know now. But have to wait for that to come out.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @7.1.7    2 weeks ago
so perhaps BLM has a point about cops and their racism.

No they don't.


BLM didn't try to overturn an election by violence and lies.

BLM was founded on a lie and has advocated for violence. They only tried to take away our security.


This failed coup proved just how unequal our justice system is

It is, but from the other direction.


 I saw Capitol police taking selfies with terrorists (who also took a shit there, those magas are so classy).

That's another Biden claim. A police officer died defending the Capitol!


Wait til we expose the security decisions, who made them and when.

Will they be lynched?


A lot of info being sifted through now, and my prediction is the treason goes far deeper up the chain than we know now.

A conspiracy?  I'm waiting to find out more.


But have to wait for that to come out.

So much for democrats to do. They have all the power in the world to do it, but maybe only 2 years to get it done.

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.9  Tacos!  replied to  devangelical @7.1.4    2 weeks ago
when was congress in joint session in those other cities to count electoral votes?????

Are you trying to say it's ok that this happened because Congress wasn't sitting in Wendy's with frosties while they counted electoral votes?

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Is it ok that people chased Seattle police officers from their own precinct because Congress wasn't in there counting votes?

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Congress vote counting is what justifies a wildly different reaction?

 
 
 
Split Personality
7.1.10  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.5    2 weeks ago

Gee Vic if the Portland police are being held back, how did they manage to arrest over 500 rioters since May?

 
 
 
bugsy
7.1.11  bugsy  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.10    2 weeks ago
arrest over 500 rioters since May

Then unceremoniously dropped the charges because the DA refused to file charges.

 
 
 
Split Personality
7.1.12  Split Personality  replied to  bugsy @7.1.11    2 weeks ago

Come'on mannnn...  too easy to disprove.

Maybe we should both let one of the lawyers spell out the differences? referred, arrested, filed against, etc

It does seem like a game for a small minority.

Portland police have referred almost 1,000 protest-related cases to the Multnomah District Attorney’s Office since late May and prosecutors have declined to file charges in nearly 70 percent of them, according to an online tracking dashboard unveiled Wednesday .

Prosecutors have so far fielded 974 criminal cases against people in the ongoing demonstrations against racial injustice and police use of force.

They have dropped 666 of them without filing charges, data provided by the office shows.

Prosecutors have issued charges in 95 felony and 33 misdemeanor cases, according to the dashboard.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.1.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.10    2 weeks ago

How many did they shoot?

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.14  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.13    2 weeks ago

How many used violence to gain entry into an occupied Federal building? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.15  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.13    2 weeks ago
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These Black Capitol Police Officers Describe Fighting Off "Racist Ass Terrorists"
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Kavika
7.1.16  Kavika   replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.15    2 weeks ago

How frickin' sad is this. 

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
7.1.17  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.15    2 weeks ago

Wow.  Just, just...wow.  (And I'm not even remotely a fan of Shaun King...)

 
 
 
Thomas
7.1.18  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.6    2 weeks ago
Yes, that was all part of the progressive plan to make America a living hell going into the election. jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

But it is not really funny, because I think that you actually believe that, which is just a sad statement on the critical thinking skills of your average Trump fan.  I am sure that the cop thought, "I am going to please the progressives by giving them the excuse to hold protest rallies all summer," while he was kneeling on the neck of George Floyd for eight minutes and forty-six seconds , Not. 

 
 
 
bugsy
7.1.19  bugsy  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.12    2 weeks ago

You originally said there were 500 arrests, but your link acknowledges that maybe 974 cases have been fielded (doesn't mean filed), but out of that only about 11 percent have actually been charged. The other 800 something have been dismissed.

 
 
 
Split Personality
7.1.20  Split Personality  replied to  bugsy @7.1.19    2 weeks ago
You originally said there were 500 arrests,

And you implied that they were all dismissed....they are not.

I provided links and asked for clarity from any internet or real lawyers as to all of the semantics.

Do you think the police just took 1000 names of people for referrals?

or did those people consider themselves to be detained as opposed to being arrested?

Since that older article the percentage is now 90 or 91% of those arrested will not be prosecuted.

Clackamus & Multnomah Counties haven't the budgets or infrastructure to deal with so many people

so they prioritize.

District Attorney Mike Schmidt took over in August and promptly announced his office would presumptively decline to prosecute many protest-related charges . The decision has drawn harsh criticism, but Schmidt says it has been necessary to preserve resources for more serious crimes as well as protect speech rights.

“I had to make a decision, based on resources in this office, where we were gonna prioritize,” Schmidt told KOIN 6 News. “Breaking windows of businesses, lighting things on fire, stealing from those stores in the protest environment so that’s what we’re focusing on. We’re not using our limited resources on people who aren’t doing those things.”

Meanwhile Portland Police arrest an average of 50 people per night and release them because there are no jail facilities available.  They refer the information to the appropriate DA.

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.21  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.9    2 weeks ago
Congress vote counting is what justifies a wildly different reaction?

Yes. If the claim of being all about 'law and order' is to be believed, Federal LAW 'justifies a wildly different reaction' and penalty. 

 
 
 
bugsy
7.1.22  bugsy  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.20    2 weeks ago
Meanwhile Portland Police arrest an average of 50 people per night and release them because there are no jail facilities available

Then maybe Portland needs to invest more in detention centers instead of taking funds from the police to do their jobs. More than likely its the same idiots getting detained over and over again.

Maybe, like so many leftists on here wished for during the Capitol riots, there should be some lead filled torsos in these rioters. Then the jail space won't be needed.

 
 
 
Split Personality
7.1.23  Split Personality  replied to  bugsy @7.1.22    2 weeks ago
Then maybe Portland needs to invest more in detention centers instead of taking funds from the police to do their jobs. More than likely its the same idiots getting detained over and over again.

Well that's just common sense but it would involve increasing the property taxes ( an uphill battle ) or declaring a state or County income tax ( cannot think of ANYTHING that would unite red & blue voters more than that ) or creating more Corporate use taxes that no one is paying...

Yes, I think they should make room for the 30 some who have been detained at least 4 times...that's indicative of a disdain for law & order, public safety etc., which should never be rewarded.

But then, before you can jump into your leftist rant, Colorado Republicans just elected Lauren Boebert to the US House.

Her whole campaign was about defying lock down rules and keeping her restaurant open resulting in fines and citations.  Voters apparently and conveniently ignored a lengthy rap sheet for traffic violations, seat belt violations, child seat violations and in almost every case, at least one failure to appear with warrants issued.  And now she is going to participate in writing national law and budgets???

Maybe, like so many leftists on here wished for during the Capitol riots

Right on cue...

there should be some lead filled torsos in these rioters. Then the jail space won't be needed.

Well we could argue whether there's enough hospital space or morgue space due to COVID ( there isn't )

but I fear it's pointless

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.24  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.6    one week ago

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Tessylo
7.1.25  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.23    one week ago
"But then, before you can jump into your leftist rant, Colorado Republicans just elected Lauren Boebert to the US House. Her whole campaign was about defying lock down rules and keeping her restaurant open resulting in fines and citations.  Voters apparently and conveniently ignored a lengthy rap sheet for traffic violations, seat belt violations, child seat violations and in almost every case, at least one failure to appear with warrants issued.  And now she is going to participate in writing national law and budgets???"

A QANon whackjob and wasn't she the one who told the tRump mob where Pelosi was during the tRump mob siege of the Capitol?

 
 
 
devangelical
7.1.26  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.25    one week ago

she's relatively safe up there in tea party territory, but her restaurant is open carry.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
7.1.27  r.t..b...  replied to  devangelical @7.1.26    one week ago

And she rails from Rifle...

... in the Wild, Wild West. 

 
 
 
Thomas
7.1.28  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.13    one week ago

Keeping Track?

 
 
 
Tessylo
8  Tessylo    2 weeks ago
"Worst of all is the proxy that will be entering the White House. Let's leave aside his cognitive dysfunction. Yesterday we found him claiming that BLM protestors would have been treated differently than the Trump supporters, as if the unprepared DC police were some kind of racists." 

President Elect Joe Biden is not suffering from any form of cognitive dysfunction.  What is your 'president's' excuse?

  

The BLM protesters were treated differently than the tRump right wing mob supporters, as far as police presence and you cannot say differently.  You are wrong.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
8.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @8    2 weeks ago
You are wrong. 

I am right and deep down all of you know it too. The left was allowed to trash American cities and riot without any pushback since the spring.

 
 
 
lib50
8.1.1  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1    2 weeks ago

Nope, they were gassed, shot, shoved, kicked and arrested even when peaceful. And those people weren't committing treason like the magas on Wednesday. The traitors were escorted out after committing the crimes against America.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
8.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @8.1.1    2 weeks ago
Nope, they were gassed, shot, shoved, kicked and arrested even when peaceful.

They weren't peaceful. 


And those people weren't committing treason like the magas on Wednesday. 

Oh, I know BLM & antifa are worthy causes/s

 
 
 
lib50
8.1.3  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.2    2 weeks ago

Well I am proud to be an anti-Fascist and for the life of me can't figure out why republicans are pro-Fascist. Perhaps they don't know their history.  As for BLM, black lives do matter. They aren't treated the same as white people are. Black people deserve to be safe in their own damn bedroom and at bbqs, or ever safe being pulled over for speeding like whites are. You don't agree with equal justice?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
8.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @8.1.3    2 weeks ago
Well I am proud to be an anti-Fascist

I have some great news for you - Fascism is dead.  The bad news is that we face the threat of a left wing totalitarian state right now, right here in America. The rest of the world is struggling to deal with Communist regimes.

You don't agree with equal justice?

I want the same equality MLK advocated for. We need to be color blind and live in a meritocracy.

 
 
 
devangelical
8.1.5  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.4    2 weeks ago
Fascism is dead.

not quite yet, but with a mountain of future legal issues to climb, we're optimistic.

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.1.6  Tacos!  replied to  lib50 @8.1.3    2 weeks ago
Well I am proud to be an anti-Fascist and for the life of me can't figure out why republicans are pro-Fascist.

They aren't pro-fascist. Antifa might be the biggest strawman/gaslighting/(whatever you want to call it) in the country just by their very existence. We don't have a fascism problem in this country. There is nothing there to fight.

It's not exactly going out on a limb to say you oppose fascism. There just isn't any actual fascism to oppose. It's stupid to demand that people denounce it. Are there some pro-fascism nut jobs who post on the internet? Sure. You can find some wack jobs who will say anything. But painting the US government or our society as fascism is either dishonest or ignorant.

 
 
 
bugsy
8.1.7  bugsy  replied to  lib50 @8.1.3    2 weeks ago

ANTIFA is not anti fascist. Their actions show the direct opposite.

In truth, ANTIFA stands for Anti First Amendment

They just don't want their sheeple to know it.

 
 
 
devangelical
8.1.8  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @8.1.7    one week ago

your maga hat may be too tight.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @8.1.8    one week ago

Tin foil needs adjusting.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1    one week ago

No, you are wrong, I know this deep down.  

 
 
 
Thomas
8.1.11  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.4    one week ago
I have some great news for you - Fascism is dead.  The bad news is that we face the threat of a left wing totalitarian state right now, right here in America.

From one, to the other, with no sense of irony whatsoever.

I want the same equality MLK advocated for. We need to be color blind and live in a meritocracy.

And have a guaranteed basic income, just like MLK wanted. 

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.12  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.4    one week ago
I want the same equality MLK advocated for.

Oh PLEASE!

We need to be color blind and live in a meritocracy.

Yet ironically, you support Trump. 

 
 
 
lady in black
9  lady in black    2 weeks ago

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Texan1211
9.1  Texan1211  replied to  lady in black @9    2 weeks ago

so you will be cool if some baker refuses to make a cake for a fay wedding.

awesome.

 
 
 
lady in black
9.1.1  lady in black  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1    2 weeks ago

Nope, republicans CAN'T have it both ways..cheering on a private company refusing service to gay people and then booing a private company for refusing service to incendiary comments.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  lady in black @9.1.1    2 weeks ago

you can't have it both ways either.

spectacular way to miss the point.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
9.1.3  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1    2 weeks ago
fay wedding.

What is a fay wedding?

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @9.1.3    2 weeks ago

OMG, you caught a typo!!!!!!!!

Yay!!!!

you know, some people possess the ability to read, and comprehend, even when there is a typo!

some fklos can eevn raed tihs!!

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @9.1.3    2 weeks ago

I am wondering why Lady has the ability to read and comprehend what i wrote and why you don't.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
9.1.6  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.4    2 weeks ago

I have no idea what a 'fay wedding' is.  I googled it, and was unable to find a definition.  Please, what is a 'fay wedding'?

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @9.1.6    2 weeks ago

see above posts, and then, if you are STILL stumped, ask Lady for an explanation. since she is smart enough to know what it is.

BTW, did you even read the post where I said it was a typo, or did you not understand what that is, too?

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
9.1.8  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.7    2 weeks ago
what that is, too?

What what is?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
10  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

Sorry, I will be back shortly. Be good, because I will enforce civility.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
10.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Vic Eldred @10    2 weeks ago
Be good, because I will enforce civility.

Wouldn't one have to have it, or at least a general understanding of it, before they could enforce it?

 
 
 
devangelical
10.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @10.1    2 weeks ago

I think we witnessed some of that trump supporter civility in DC last wednesday.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
10.1.2  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  devangelical @10.1.1    2 weeks ago

With all the new videos and information coming out, it's getting worse by the minute.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

Vic, I think you are probably a good man in "real life".   In your political life and your life as a propagandist on social media, you are an extremist. Your political views are out of the mainstream.

One quick example -  you think that closing down Trump on twitter is a violation of some sort of commitment to "free speech". 

Trump is a dangerous individual, as most pathological liars are when they achieve a wide audience. Liberals and leftists are not the present threat to America, people who think they are losing their freedoms because we are becoming a multicultural society are the threat, because they are now desperate enough to take action. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
11.1  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @11    2 weeks ago
In your political life and your life as a propagandist on social media, you are an extremist. Your political views are out of the mainstream.

Pot meet kettle.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @11.1    2 weeks ago

I seriously doubt that I have ever made a politically extreme statement on this forum.  Calling Donald Trump a piece of shit is not extreme, it is obvious. 

You probably think calling for a 2% wealth tax on the very rich is extremism. Thats your problem. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
11.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.1    2 weeks ago
You probably think calling for a 2% wealth tax on the very rich is extremism.

Let's see if democrats are up to that. I doubt it!

 
 
 
Dulay
11.1.3  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.2    2 weeks ago

Deflection. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.1    2 weeks ago

a wealth tax merely punishes people for being rich.

silly and unnecessary

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.2    2 weeks ago

I doubt it, too.

Just look at all the whining that capping a deduction garnered!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.4    2 weeks ago

The wealth tax is relatively insignificant to the fortunes of very wealthy people. For someone who has 51 million dollars the tax would be 20,000 dollars, leaving them with a mere $50,000,980 after the tax.   Yet it is something that could raise billions of dollars per year that could be used to help those in the lower economic classes have a little bit better life. 

This is not "robbing" or "stealing" from the rich, this is society deciding it has priorities more important than letting people acquire stratospeheric wealth that will mainly be passed down to their individual descendants. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.1.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.5    2 weeks ago

The cap affects only 2 states and in those 2 states, it affects the middle class the most, so yeah, people are upset.

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.6    2 weeks ago

why should society limit success?

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.7    2 weeks ago

my understanding is that the federal tax code is applied equally to citizens of all 50 states.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11.1.10  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.8    2 weeks ago

a wealth tax does not limit success any more than an income tax limits success. that is nonsense. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
11.1.11  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.7    2 weeks ago
e cap affects only 2 states and in those 2 states, it affects the middle class the most

None of that is true. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.10    2 weeks ago

perhaps it doesn't limit it, but it surely punishes it.

 
 
 
Ender
11.1.13  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.10    2 weeks ago

Agree. Someone making 50 mil has to pay a mil or two in taxes. Boo hoo, it is not hurting their bottom line.

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @11.1.13    2 weeks ago

someone making 20k can afford a dollar, and it wouldn't hurt them, either.

 
 
 
Ender
11.1.15  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.14    2 weeks ago

I am going to break my protocol and respond to you this one time just to say, I actually have to agree with that.

Imo it is things like the EIC that put people into a different column.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.1.16  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.9    2 weeks ago

Yes, it is, but that part of the code was only recently changed, and it was politically motivated and not motivated to equal the playing field. You implied that the rich were affected, which was not true. The middle and working classes were affected. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.1.17  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.1.11    2 weeks ago

Prove that Sean. You seem to forget that I am a CPA in one of those states.

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.7    2 weeks ago

Seems reasonable to me to look at the two states you claim are solely affected by this and see why the other 48 aren't. maybe those two states need to change.

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.16    2 weeks ago

the rich are under the same code, right?

how can you say the rich were not affected?

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.20  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @11.1.15    2 weeks ago

that is why I am for a flat tax with no deductions at all for anyone or anything. we could have the flat tax be graduated up by income level, similar to now.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11.1.21  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.14    2 weeks ago
someone making 20k can afford a dollar, and it wouldn't hurt them, either.

Individuals that make 20,000 a year do pay income tax.  A family that makes that sum would not pay taxes because they are likely (or should be)  receiving government assistance.  It makes absolutely no sense to have people who receive food stamps or medicaid pay federal income tax. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
11.1.22  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.12    2 weeks ago

Look at it this way.   Our system enables ambitious people to pursue their dreams.   The opportunities are not equal, but even people with humble beginnings can improve their situations.

But our system also includes a snowball effect that kicks in based on market and mind share that is enabled with the accumulation of productive resources.  Whereas initial wealth accumulation is based on hard work and effort, one (some) can reach a critical mass where the accumulation of productive resources is so great that it is just a wealth generation machine.   This is what has taken Musk, Bezos, Gates, etc. from uber successful and wealthy individuals into extreme wealth and power.  

What if that snowball effect was systemically moderated?   This would not be trying to stop people from growing wealthy, only to prevent extreme wealth and power from winding up in the hands of a very tiny minority.

Musk is now worth $185+ billion dollars.   The question is how much of that wealth is a function of the snowball effect enabled by our system versus truly earned by the individual's efforts?    The next question is the value of heirs securing the power of their successful parents.   That is basically the ancient notion of royalty / aristocracy.

This would not even be much of a question if the consolidation of wealth and power did not adversely affect society.   It really does not matter what the numbers are if they are just score-keeping.  But they are not simply score-keeping;  they are absolutely actionable.   Unless you think it best for such wealth and power to be consolidated in a tiny minority it should be obvious that society would be better served if our system did not allow such a snowball effect.

I wonder if Elon Musk (as an example) would be able to survive if his 20th billion was harder to achieve than his first 10?

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.23  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.21    2 weeks ago

see post above

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.1.24  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.19    2 weeks ago

Because taxes are proportional to income.

A person making $65K and paying $1,500 more in taxes is more affected than a person making $250K a year who is paying $15,000 more a year.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
11.1.25  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.17    2 weeks ago
ou seem to forget that I am a CPA in one of those states.

You seem to forget I've done this multiple times.

Fist, filers in every state are effected. California taxpayers pay the most (20.7% of the national amount), North Dakota, the least (.1 percent).

Second, the SALT tax deduction is more skewed towards the "rich" than the benefits then  the progressives' evil bogeyman , the  2017 Trump Tax cut that is supposedly nothing but a handout to the rich. . 57% of the benefits of the reinstatement of the SALT tax subsidy would flow to the top 1%in  income. 97% of the benefits go to those in the top 20%. 

These are facts. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.26  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.24    2 weeks ago

isn't 1500 2.3% of 65k, and 15k is 6% of 250k?

 
 
 
Ender
11.1.27  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.22    2 weeks ago

I have been at the school of thought that while yes capitalism can be great, unfettered capitalism can be bad.

There needs to be checks and balances.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.1.28  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.1.25    2 weeks ago

And you seem to forget that I keep telling you that I am not including the state tax amount. I would not be opposed to removing the SALT component of the calculation and just let it stand as local property taxes. 

So that link does not show how our middle class is being killed by the cap, since the state tax is based on income, but local school taxes are based on your home values.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.1.29  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.26    2 weeks ago

If all you make is $65k and you get $1,500 removed, that hurts you more than a person who makes $250K and gets 15K removed. $63.5 is a much tighter budget than $235K is, don't you think?

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.30  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.29    2 weeks ago

people who make more spend more.

would you rather give up 2.3 or 6 %?

in any case, thus right here is why I favor a flat tax, as I outlined above.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.1.31  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.30    2 weeks ago

And people who make less, can't make ends meet. Do we really need more people on the dole?

I am not opposed to a flat tax, but I would have to see how it would be implemented. Again, 2.5% taxes hurts a lower-income family than a wealthier one.

 
 
 
Split Personality
11.1.32  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.14    2 weeks ago

But by law, anyone making less than 30K is excused from paying taxes, hence the 42% who "don't pay" taxes.

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.33  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.31    2 weeks ago

come on, surely you and your family spent more as your incomes rise, right?

perhaps a new car, bigger house, sending kids to private schools, etc. 

losing 15k may mean they can't afford done of those things, just like the folks owning 1500 more will have to do without some things.

flat tax. graduated by income levels, is the fairest, imo. no deductions. period, for anyone or anything.

not everyone will ever be pleased, but who does want to see their taxes increase?

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.34  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @11.1.32    2 weeks ago

yes, I know that.

the point was that many people now exempt could pay something, without hurting them.

 
 
 
TᵢG
11.1.35  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.30    2 weeks ago
... people who make more spend more.

They actually save more.    For example, if you had a mere $50 million, would you be out on a spending spree or would you invest your money?   When you die, do you expect that you will have spent your wealth or will you pass it on to your next generation?

If this money was held collectively by people who do not have a ton of discretionary buying power they would indeed by spending it.   And the part that the saved would likely first go to saving for retirement, healthcare and college.   

BTW, if you argue that investment puts money into the economy then I will agree, but that is true of every investment (even those by ordinary citizens).   And I will remind you that consumerism is a better method for putting money into the economy than playing with the stock market.

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.36  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.35    2 weeks ago

ok, they do save more AND they spend more.

and unless you are suggesting direct payments to poorer people of the rich persons money, I don't see the money going to them.

 
 
 
TᵢG
11.1.37  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.36    2 weeks ago

No I am not suggesting that.   I am not a fan of redistributing wealth.   What I would do is address the system so that going forward it does not leave such powerful tools as the snowball effect.

Paraphrasing one of my points.   $1,000,000,000 in the hands of a multi-billionaire will be used as that billionaire sees fit.   Typically, people with such wealth cannot realistically spend it.   Thus it is typically invested and the power of that wealth is leveraged to accumulate more wealth.

In contrast if that $1,000,000,000 was in the hands of one million everyday citizens (that is $1,000 for each citizen) we would typically see that money used in consumerism with one million people voting with their pocketbooks and shaping the market to meet their needs.

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.38  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.37    2 weeks ago

if you aren't suggesting direct payments, why do you use it as an example of  anything?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11.1.39  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.33    2 weeks ago

People who make or already have enough money to be taxed with "wealth" taxes are not lacking for spending cash, even after the tax is applied.

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.40  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.39    2 weeks ago

you can not possibly know that. you have no idea what bills they pay or how any of their money is invested.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11.1.41  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.40    2 weeks ago

Someone who has 50 million dollars can afford to pay a 20,000 tax. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
11.1.42  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.38    2 weeks ago
If you aren't suggesting direct payments, why do you use it as an example of  anything?

I did not use direct payment as an example.   Where do you see me saying that a direct payment would be made?   I spoke of it being in the hands of a million people instead of the hands of one person.   You realize that I cannot make my point unless somehow that money is in their hands.   I did not specify that it would be a transfer of wealth. 

Do you care about understanding the point I made Texan?

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.43  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.42    2 weeks ago

how do you propose to ensure that the million people all get 1k. and from whom are they getting it?

do you think that if rich people have less, poorer people will have more?

how is that money, taken from rich, not a transfer of wealth?

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.44  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.41    2 weeks ago

says you.

maybe they can. 

but why should they be penalized for saving and accumulating wealth?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11.1.45  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.41    2 weeks ago

I have to laugh at people who think a society has no justification for taxing wealth. Such people think they have a "god given" right to accumulate, and keep without being taxed,  as much money as they can. 

There are no god given rights. It is a utopian phrase. Rights are granted or administered by the government. Try proving you own your house without the government. There is no such thing as natural, god given property rights. It is an invention of enlightenment philosophers. 

Now, I would agree that individual property rights are a good thing, and we all like to enjoy them, but they are not "natural". Dog eat dog, I like your house I take it from you by force, that is what is natural. 

If a society chooses through its representatives to tax extreme wealth to fund programs for the poor, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.46  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.45    2 weeks ago

you can justify it by any way you choose, but that doesn't mean I gave to accept that justification.

and if society has deemed it unnecessary to have a wealth tax, which it has, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
11.1.47  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.43    2 weeks ago
how do you propose to ensure that the million people all get 1k. and from whom are they getting it?

do you think that if rich people have less, poorer people will have more?

how is that money, taken from rich, not a transfer of wealth?

Texan you oft complain about condescension yet you write comments like this (after I have already explained this once) that show you either cannot comprehend plain English or choose to pretend that you do not.   Either way, it is not admirable.

So you will consider this condescending but consider I am trying to address what is now a stupid question:

The $1 billion scenario was an example to illustrate a concept.   Since this apparently confuses you I will be more specific:

  • Gather together one million ordinary citizens who are making less than $50k per year in income. 
  • Focus on $1,000 that they have earned and how they spend their money.
  • Now, consider a multi-billionaire who clearly can buy whatever he/she wants.  
  • How will the billionaire spend his/her $1 billion dollars compared to the million citizens each spending their $1,000

My point is that the million consumers infusing their collective $1 billion into the economy (and thereby voting with their pocketbooks to help shape the market) is healthier than one person investing the $1 billion to leverage that capital into even more wealth.

This really should be clear enough to comprehend.

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.48  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.47    2 weeks ago

I got your point.

what I am asking again is how do you propose to change things so the poorer people have more?

theories are useless without a plan to implement them.

 
 
 
TᵢG
11.1.49  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.48    2 weeks ago
what I am asking again is how do you propose to change things so the poorer people have more?

Texan, good grief man, I am not and have not made any proposals for how to solve fundamental class disparity in our socio-economic/political system.

theories are useless without a plan to implement them

Well if you expect comments in a forum like this to be based on well-conceived national strategies then you have a bizarre understanding of forums.

And I did not propose a theory.   I was making a point that apparently you just cannot bring yourself to even acknowledge.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.50  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.49    2 weeks ago

just skip it.

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.1.51  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.49    2 weeks ago
I was making a point that apparently you just cannot bring yourself to even acknowledge.  

Based on the following reply, it's not apparent. It's certain.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
11.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @11    2 weeks ago
Vic, I think you are probably a good man in "real life".

And by the same token I have never included you with our extreme 8.


In your political life and your life as a propagandist on social media, you are an extremist. Your political views are out of the mainstream.

I happen to believe I am one of the remaining members of a once great society (74 Million voters).



One quick example -  you think that closing down Trump on twitter is a violation of some sort of commitment to "free speech". 

Trump is a dangerous individual, as most pathological liars are when they achieve a wide audience. 

If what you say had merit wouldn't Twitter shut down Iran’s supreme leader's account for his “anti-Semitic and genocidal” messages???  Right there John is the proof. It's biased censorship.

 
 
 
JBB
11.2.1  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.2    2 weeks ago

John's party has not lost control of The House of Representatives, The United States Senate and the Presidency all in just the last two years. No, that would be you and your party, the gop. So, who is outside the political mainstream?

 
 
 
devangelical
11.2.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.2    2 weeks ago
I have never included you with our extreme 8.

LOL! list them.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
11.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @11.2.2    2 weeks ago

I don't have to. We all know who they are. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
11.2.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @11.2.1    2 weeks ago
So, who is outsid tue the political mainstream?

The mainstream doesn't change every election cycle. The democrats controlled all three branches when Obama won in 2008 with super majorities. It only took two years of radicalism to lose them and eventually Obama paved the way for Trump.

 
 
 
Tacos!
11.2.5  Tacos!  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.2    2 weeks ago

Also, Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un have Twitter accounts. Louis Farrakhan has a Twitter account. There are plenty of prominent, awful people on Twitter.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
11.2.6  r.t..b...  replied to  Tacos! @11.2.5    2 weeks ago

Bandits all in their own right...and yet not a single one of these nefarious characters has single-handedly orchestrated the type of anarchy we all witnessed last week. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
11.2.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  r.t..b... @11.2.6    2 weeks ago

Shame on you!

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
11.2.8  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.2.7    2 weeks ago
Shame on you!

Wouldn't one have to have shame, or at least a general understanding of it, before pinning it on others?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.2.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tacos! @11.2.5    2 weeks ago

I agree, and I think they should be all thrown off. Do you really think we should be helping spread their propaganda? But remember Twitter is a private company, so we play by their rules. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
11.2.10  Tacos!  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.2.9    2 weeks ago

I don’t mind that a private company is free to make what I would consider to be terrible choices. I guess what I object to is that they present - and are legally treated - like public forums where speech is free.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
12  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago
Last month, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) urged the creation of lists of Trump supporters to be held “accountable” for supporting the president after the election. Some of her allies created The Trump Accountability Project, which would serve as a blacklist of people who supported or had ties to the Trump administration, even federal judges appointed by the president.

I don't know about a written "blacklist" preventing people from getting future jobs, but of course those who have unfailingly propped up this preposterous presidency should be held accountable. I would not consider voting for anyone who worked in the Trump white house, for example. I think someone like Kayleigh McAnany has earned the right to be shunned in decent media circles. She played a very willing little Ms Goebbels in the waning months of the disgraced regime. Why would she be given props for all that garbage? The same for all the Millers, Bannons, Scavinos, Giulianis , and all the other dregs of society that made the last 4 years what they were. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
12.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @12    2 weeks ago
She played a very willing little Ms Goebbels in the waning months of the disgraced regime.

Sounds like you are using Joe Biden's obnoxious example. How did Biden say it? When Dresden was bombed and 250 were killed, I mean 2,500 were killed, ah 25,000 were killed, it was Goebbels who said it was 250,000 and that's what got printed!



I'm sure Biden wouldn't know, nor do many others, but Historian Richard J. Evans estimates that approximately   25,000 people died  during these bombings. Frederick Taylor estimates that from 25,000 to 40,000 people died as a result of the Dresden bombings.



Beyond that and the fact that Joe Biden can't seem to complete a simple sentence, the big lie of my lifetime that was repeated over and over again was that Donald Trump colluded with Russia!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
12.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.1    2 weeks ago

All you do is deflect, bring up irrelevant points, invent stuff, etc. 

People are seriously talking about removing from office a president who is going to be removed by the normal course of events in 10 days anyway. How horrible of a leader and human being do you have to be to be forced out immediately during your final 10 days? Why dont you address that instead of all this other drivel? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
12.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @12.1.1    2 weeks ago
All you do is deflect, bring up irrelevant points, invent stuff, etc. 

No, John, I think I'm bringing up issues that many Americans living in fear want to discuss.


People are seriously talking about removing from office a president who is going to be removed by the normal course of events in 10 days anyway.

No, John, Nancy Pelosi is talking about doing that and there is a method to her madness - she doesn't want him running again in 2024.


How horrible of a leader and human being do you have to be to be forced out immediately during your final 10 days?

He is feared by the radical left.


Why dont you address that instead of all this other drivel?

John, that is the drivel!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
12.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.1.2    2 weeks ago
No, John, Nancy Pelosi is talking about doing that and there is a method to her madness - she doesn't want him running again in 2024.

And you do? 

It is hard to even form into words the level of delusion that some MAGA are experiencing. 

You should have got off the ride 10 years ago when he revived a dormant birther movement in order to attract white racists to his newborn 2012 presidential ambitions. That has always been what has animated Donald Trump's political movement. The fear some whites have that they are "losing" "their" country. It is as plain as day. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
12.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @12.1.3    2 weeks ago
And you do? 

No John, I don't.


It is hard to even form into words the level of delusion that some MAGA are experiencing. 

It's not some MAGA, it's YOU!  You won the election John. It's over!


You should have got off the ride 10 years ago when he revived a dormant birther movement in order to attract white racists to his newborn 2012 presidential ambitions.

Stop dividing the nation. You got your black vote. It's over.


That has always been what has animated Donald Trump's political movement. The fear some whites have that they are "losing" "their" country. It is as plain as day. 

Wrong again. Class is what divides us. The faux educated class vs the muscular class.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
12.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.1.4    2 weeks ago

As of ten minutes ago you are STILL calling Donald Trump a hero. In the past two weeks he has tried to get an official of Georgia to tamper with the vote in that state to illegally make him the winner, and then egged on a crowd to try and force the Senate to nullify a legally held and decided election.  And you STILL say Trump is a hero. It is disgraceful. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
12.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @12.1.5    2 weeks ago

I stand by everything I say, John. You know that.

Nancy Pelosi is about to make him a martyr and I'm all for it.

 
 
 
Dulay
12.1.7  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.1.6    2 weeks ago
I stand by everything I say, John. You know that.

I know the opposite. You stated:

"That election like the general election was marred by rules changes that benefited democrats."

Yet when challenged, not a peep from you. Perhaps your concept of standing by what you say is different than mine. 

 
 
 
Dulay
12.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.1    2 weeks ago
I'm sure Biden wouldn't know, nor do many others, but Historian Richard J. Evans estimates that approximately   25,000 people died  during these bombings. Frederick Taylor estimates that from 25,000 to 40,000 people died as a result of the Dresden bombings.

WTF is your POINT Vic. Goebbels claimed that the attack on Dresden was an attempt to destroy Germany's culture, that there were no military targets and that at least 200,000 were killed. ALL of which are a LIE, repeated ad nauseam, which you seem desperate to perpetrate 80 years later. 

Your deflection from Kayleigh McAnany to what Biden said is a failure.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
12.1.9  Gordy327  replied to  Dulay @12.1.8    2 weeks ago
ALL of which are a LIE, repeated ad nauseam

Kind of like Trump's claims about election fraud or theft. And people who refuse to or lack the ability to think critically simply latch right on to it and perpetuate the nonsense. 

 
 
 
Dulay
12.1.10  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.1.2    2 weeks ago
No, John, I think I'm bringing up issues that many Americans living in fear want to discuss.

Really Vic? Your posit is that TODAY, 'Americans living in fear want to discuss' Biden's comment about Dresden? What brought you to that utterly ridiculous conclusion? 

No, John, Nancy Pelosi is talking about doing that and there is a method to her madness - she doesn't want him running again in 2024.

Please refrain from posting bullshit about Pelosi being the ONE that wants Trump impeached or removed through the 25th Amendment. It's a lie and WE all know it. Hell, there are multiple GOP Senators that want him to resign. 

He is feared by the radical left.

He is feared MORE by the supplicant right. Hell, they cringe at the very thought of a mean tweet. While they whine about censorship, I have no doubt that they give a sigh of relief because twitter took away Trump's biggest weapon against them. 

John, that is the drivel!

Nope, it's not. It's a cogent, relevant question. Got an answer? 

 
 
 
Kavika
13  Kavika     2 weeks ago

It seems that Twitter had more than enough good reasons to delete and ban Trump from their site. 

Numerous watchdog agencies reported the online chatter about the riot yet it seems the that agencies responsible fell on their face the Capital Police being the most obvious failure.

Twitter warns of new violence to come, brewing again on social media, as reason for Trump ban

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
13.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Kavika @13    2 weeks ago

Kavika,

I hate to point it out, but you can't stop an idea. I am not sure how to treat this, but I worry that all that has been accomplished is driving this idea underground. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
14  Nerm_L    2 weeks ago

Yes, Democrats have no place to hide now.  This is the worst possible outcome for Democrats.

Democrats will be forced to end the Senate filibuster.  Kamala Harris will become more visible than Joe Biden as President of the Senate.  Democrats won't be able to blame Republicans for stalling their agenda because they control both the White House and Congress.

Democrats are in a position to either disappoint the various factions of their base or do nothing.  And doing nothing is no longer an option.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
14.1  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @14    2 weeks ago

In what alternate reality do you reside?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
14.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Tessylo @14.1    2 weeks ago
In what alternate reality do you reside?

Aren't Democrats in control?  Can't Democrats fulfill all the promises they made now that Democrats are in control?

Joe Biden loaded his cabinet with 'race cards' in expectation that Republicans would retain control of the Senate.  Biden set the stage to accuse Republicans of racism, sexism, and xenophobia anytime there was Republican objection to Biden's agenda.  But now Democrats are in charge and those excuses won't work any longer.

Biden's cabinet increases the political pressure to end the Senate filibuster so that Republicans can't obstruct anything.  The Democratic base is going to expect Democrats to use their control of government to do what they have promised to do.  Democrats don't have any place to hide.

 
 
 
Tessylo
14.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @14.1.1    2 weeks ago

Blah, blah, blah . . . . 

 
 
 
devangelical
14.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Nerm_L @14.1.1    2 weeks ago
The Democratic base is going to expect Democrats to use their control of government to do what they have promised to do.

be sure to return the next stimulus money that gets sent to you.

 
 
 
Dulay
14.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @14.1.1    2 weeks ago

So 'promises made, promises kept' was great for Trump but bad for Biden. Got ya. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
14.1.5  Nerm_L  replied to  devangelical @14.1.3    2 weeks ago
be sure to return the next stimulus money that gets sent to you.

Well, see, there's the first problem.  It's a relief check because of a natural disaster; not a stimulus check.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
14.1.6  Nerm_L  replied to  Dulay @14.1.4    2 weeks ago
So 'promises made, promises kept' was great for Trump but bad for Biden. Got ya. 

Yes, Democrats are expected to keep promises.  That's the problem.  

Democratic promises are all over the place because of the disparate demographics that make up the party base.  Keeping promises for one group may break promises for another.

Democrats can't blame Republicans for not keeping promises.  Democrats are in charge now.  And Democrats really can prevent Republican obstruction by changing the Senate and House rules.  There's no place to hide.

 
 
 
Dulay
14.1.7  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @14.1.6    2 weeks ago
Keeping promises for one group may break promises for another.

That's a galactic 'may'. Example? 

Democrats can't blame Republicans for not keeping promises. Democrats are in charge now.

Why not? Trump and the GOP blamed Democrats when the GOP was in charge of everything. 

 
 
 
Dulay
14.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @14.1.5    2 weeks ago
Well, see, there's the first problem.  It's a relief check because of a natural disaster; not a stimulus check.

Actually, they are tax credits. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
15  Gsquared    2 weeks ago

Right-wing militias, neo-Nazis and neo-Confederates invaded and ransacked the U. S. Capitol three days ago, and this article is about "The Radical Left Unleashed"?

That's taking distraction and diversion to the Nth degree.

 
 
 
Kavika
15.1  Kavika   replied to  Gsquared @15    2 weeks ago

This fits perfectly.

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Vic Eldred
15.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gsquared @15    2 weeks ago
Right-wing militias, neo-Nazis and neo-Confederates invaded and ransacked the U. S. Capitol three days ago,

Link please

 
 
 
Kavika
15.2.1  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @15.2    2 weeks ago

512

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Vic Eldred
15.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @15.2.1    2 weeks ago

I said a link

 
 
 
Kavika
15.2.3  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @15.2.2    2 weeks ago

A picture is worth a thousand words. 

They are proof of exactly what scum were there and in the capital. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
15.2.4  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.2    2 weeks ago
Link please

Since you are apparently unaware of what occurred at the U.S. Capitol this week, here are several links:

I could provide a few dozen more links if it would help you.

For your further education, here are some links about distraction as a propaganda technique:

 
 
 
JohnRussell
15.2.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Kavika @15.2.3    2 weeks ago

Kavika , some of them hide their heads in the sand and have been doing so for years. We don't have to wonder where all the misinformation comes from. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
15.2.6  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @15.2.5    2 weeks ago

Next he'll ask you to prove the photos weren't doctored by The Squad. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
15.2.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @15.2.6    2 weeks ago

No I'm sure there are some crazies on this side of the ledger. I asked him for a link concerning the groups he mentioned.

 
 
 
Kavika
15.2.8  Kavika   replied to  JohnRussell @15.2.5    2 weeks ago

Vic has the link and the photos I suppose if that isn't enough proof then we know full well that facts are too difficult to absorb.

[DELETED   Too funny.]

 
 
 
Gsquared
15.2.9  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.2.7    2 weeks ago
I asked him for a link concerning the groups he mentioned.

You're welcome

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
15.2.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gsquared @15.2.9    2 weeks ago

Yes, I see they identify the same handful of individuals in the pictures. So there were a few extremists that stormed the Capitol. That's kind of like saying the riots we had for months & months were mostly peaceful!

You want it both ways. Either denounce all of it or admit to bias.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
15.2.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @15.2.8    2 weeks ago
Vic has the link and the photos I suppose if that isn't enough proof then we know full well that facts are too difficult to absorb.

Vic knows there were extremists in that crowd and Vic denounced their actions.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
15.2.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.2.11    2 weeks ago

Vic, everyone who entered that building with the intention of going to the Senate chamber and forcing them to nullify a legally held and conducted national election is an extremist. Virtually the entire crowd were extremists. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
15.2.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @15.2.12    2 weeks ago
Virtually the entire crowd were extremists. 

No way.  PROVE IT!

 
 
 
Kavika
15.2.14  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @15.2.13    2 weeks ago

Thousands attacked the Capitol, that more than proves it but you keep making excuses for traitors to our country, fitting.

 
 
 
Dulay
15.2.15  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.2.10    2 weeks ago

False equivalency. 

 
 
 
Dulay
15.2.16  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.2.13    2 weeks ago

Please explain why you think that video of insurgents INSIDE of the Capitol building isn't sufficient evidence. 

Tell me why video of insurgents OUTSIDE of the Capitol building, vandalizing and refusing to disperse isn't sufficient evidence.  

Or is it your posit that one need not be an extremist to commit those acts? 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
15.2.17  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.2.10    2 weeks ago

Vic,

I will denounce both, but there is a fundamental difference. 

While the looting and destruction that happened during the protests was thievery and rioting plain and simple, the attack on our Capital, which was in session, was an attack on our democracy. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
15.2.18  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @15.2.17    one week ago

I can't argue that.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
15.2.19  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @15.2.14    one week ago
Thousands attacked the Capitol

Thousands out of perhaps a hundred thousand.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
15.2.20  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @15.2.16    one week ago
Or is it your posit that one need not be an extremist to commit those acts?

 “A riot,” Martin Luther King once said, “is the language of the unheard.” Other than that note, most of those at the rally did not partake in the violence.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
15.2.21  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.2.20    one week ago

Does that in any way excuse those that chose to do so?

Five deaths and scores more injured somehow become collateral damage in the quixotic attempt at overturning an irrefutable election outcome?

Please. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
15.2.22  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  r.t..b... @15.2.21    one week ago
Does that in any way excuse those that chose to do so?

Nope. I want to see them prosecuted to the full extent of the new law.


Five deaths and scores more injured somehow become collateral damage in the quixotic attempt at overturning an irrefutable election outcome?

It was a tragedy. A speech that didn't call for violence, but probably never should have been given.


Please. 

I know the feeling. I have the same feeling about every riot.  All the way back to the late 60's and Vietnam.

 
 
 
Dulay
15.2.23  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.2.20    one week ago
A riot,” Martin Luther King once said, “is the language of the unheard.”

More false equivalencies Vic. How the fuck can you claim that Trump's insurgents were unheard after he spent over a hour addressing them in person? 

Other than that note, most of those at the rally did not partake in the violence.

WTF is your point Vic? I haven't seen ANYONE claiming that EVERY participant in the rally is culpable. I sure as hell haven't. 

BTFW, you didn't give a fuck when 'most of those at the' BLM protest didn't 'partake in the violence'. You and yours have been all about using as broad a brush as possible to paint ALL of those protestors as 'looters and arsonists' and much more. 

Your comment drips with hypocrisy. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
15.2.24  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @15.2.23    one week ago
How the fuck can you claim that Trump's insurgents were unheard after he spent over a hour addressing them in person? 

Lol. In other words, it doesn't matter if the new President listens to their concerns as long as they get a pat on the back from Trump?  Got it.


WTF is your point Vic?

That extremists took advantage of the rally.


I haven't seen ANYONE claiming that EVERY participant in the rally is culpable. I sure as hell haven't. 

Then look again at some of the comments here.


BTFW, you didn't give a fuck when 'most of those at the' BLM protest didn't 'partake in the violence'. You and yours have been all about using as broad a brush as possible to paint ALL of those protestors as 'looters and arsonists' and much more. 

At those riots I simply wanted the perpetrators prosecuted the same way these will be.


Your comment drips with hypocrisy. 

Projection as usual!

 
 
 
Dulay
15.2.25  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.2.24    one week ago
Lol. In other words, it doesn't matter if the new President listens to their concerns as long as they get a pat on the back from Trump?  Got it.

No Vic, NOT in other words. My statement was clear and in no need of your fabricated misinterpretation. 

That extremists took advantage of the rally.

The 'extremists' followed Trump's instructions. 

Then look again at some of the comments here.

No need.

At those riots I simply wanted the perpetrators prosecuted the same way these will be.

Bullshit. 

Projection as usual!

Delusional as usual. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
15.2.26  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @15.2.23    one week ago
":BTFW, you didn't give a fuck when 'most of those at the' BLM protest didn't 'partake in the violence'. You and yours have been all about using as broad a brush as possible to paint ALL of those protestors as 'looters and arsonists' and much more. "

BINGO!

"Your comment drips with hypocrisy."

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Tessylo
15.3  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @15    one week ago

Well when projection, deflection, and denial are all you got, you go for it . . . an old boyfriend had a saying I love, that applies here, "If you're going to go bear - go grizzly"

 
 
 
Dulay
16  Dulay    2 weeks ago
The DC mayor Muriel Browser called the FBI, Capitol police, DC police, the Maryland State Police & Guard and the Virginia State Police & Guard. In stark contrast to when she had her police stand down when BLM and assorted leftist protesters vandalized Lafayette Square, burning buildings, including a historic church and almost tearing down a statue of Andrew Jackson as well as attempting to storm the White House, she called for every security force available.

When will those who pretend to be all about 'law and order' educate themselves about that topic? 

The Mayor of DC has NO responsibility for the protection of the Capitol OR Lafayette Square. Those places are under FEDERAL jurisdiction. The Capitol is policed by the Capitol Police, Lafayette Square is policed by the National Park Police. While the Mayor of DC can NOTIFY Federal LEO's about events, she has NO responsibility OR authority to defend those Federal properties. 

Secondly, it's been well reported that Steny Hoyer called Governor Hogan of Maryland for help and Hogan was DENIED clearance to enter DC for almost 2 hours. 

Here is a statement from the DC Council on Jan. 6th:

WASHINGTON, DC – The District of Columbia Council issued the following statement today:

Today, the Department of Defense denied a request by Mayor Muriel Bowser to expand the responsibilities of the District of Columbia National Guard so that they would be authorized to protect and restore order at the Capitol Building. That request was denied.

The Council is in full support of the Mayor’s request. We are appalled that this fundamental request was denied. We urge the Department of Defense to reconsider their decision, and to allow the National Guard to restore safety and sanctity to the Capitol, the cornerstone of our Democracy.

Yes the Virginia State Police & Guard are being sent @ the Speaker's, the Minority Leader's AND the Mayor's request. 

Which begs the question: WHY did the DoD deny the deployment of the DC NG? 

Oh and do you KNOW who controls the DC NG? Hint: Trump. 

 
 
 
Kavika
16.1  Kavika   replied to  Dulay @16    2 weeks ago
As of 2020, The USCP has an annual budget of more than $460 million and employs more than 2000 police officers, making it one of the most well-funded and well-staffed police departments relative to the size of its jurisdiction. [4] Specialty Units include Investigations, Intelligence and Interagency Coordination, and Dignitary Protection. Also, K9, Haz Mat and explosives units.

You have to wonder what in the hell happened to create this epic failure of command.

The only ones that seemed to have their shit together were D.C, MD and VA.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @16    2 weeks ago
Which begs the question: WHY did the DoD deny the deployment of the DC NG? 

Maybe for the same reason that blue state governors and mayors rejected the idea of the President sending in the National Guard, or maybe nobody expected violence from the Trump group. I think it's the latter.

 
 
 
Kavika
16.2.1  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2    2 weeks ago

The president doesn't send in NG that is the Governor of the state.

or maybe nobody expected violence from the Trump group. I think it's the latter.

The latter...LOL yeah sure, that's why the resignations. It's called a total epic failure. The information was all over the internet and many of the groups that track the extremist group were sending warning signs for weeks.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @16.2.1    2 weeks ago
The president doesn't send in NG that is the Governor of the state.

That's correct and as we all know, the President kept telling blue state governors to do it and they habitually refused. You know it too.


The information was all over the internet and many of the groups that track the extremist group were sending warning signs for weeks.

Then where oh where was the msm?  Why didn't you tell us?

 
 
 
Kavika
16.2.3  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2.2    2 weeks ago
That's correct and as we all know, the President kept telling blue state governors to do it and they habitually refused. You know it too.

That a lie, you need to quit trying to cover your bullshit with lies. 

Then where oh where was the msm?  Why didn't you tell us?

MSN posted a number of articles on it of course so did groups like ADL it's on record. If you asking why I didn't tell you it's because your a Trump follower and don't believe in facts.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.2.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @16.2.3    2 weeks ago
it's because your a Trump follower and don't believe in facts.

Here is a fact for you:

"President Trump said Saturday that he was prepared to once again send in National Guard troops to cities if asked, following the 86th consecutive night of chaos in Portland, Oregon.

“Another bad night of Rioting in Portland, Oregon. A small number of Federal troops there to protect courthouse and other Federal property only (great job!),”   Trump tweeted Saturday morning.   “Wanting to be asked by City & State to STOP THE RIOTS. Would bring in National Guard, end problem immediately. ASK!”

Protests were so violent in downtown Portland last night that cops declared it a riot early Saturday.

The crowd of roughly 100 threw glass bottles, broke windows in patrol cars and pointed lasers outside a precinct Friday night before police decided to move in,   The Associated Press reported."

nypost.com/2020/08/22/trump-offers-to-send-national-guard-to-portland-to-end-violence/

 
 
 
r.t..b...
16.2.5  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2.4    2 weeks ago

The first sentence renders all that follows moot...’President Trump said..’

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.2.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  r.t..b... @16.2.5    2 weeks ago

Believe it or not he said a lot of things that were true.

 
 
 
Kavika
16.2.7  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2.4    2 weeks ago

Did you look at the link listing all the governors that called out the NG. [ DELETED ]

You don't want to deal with the truth, that's on you.

Here is another link showing the threats on the internet now for the coming inauguration. 

Have a great day in the alternate universe.

 
 
 
Dulay
16.2.8  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2    2 weeks ago

It has NOTHING to do with expectations, the violence was OCCURING and Trump refused to deploy the DC NG. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
16.2.9  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2.6    2 weeks ago

After so many lies, Vic, it becomes difficult to discern the truths...and there is no one to blame but the one who starts the deception.

Those that excuse the same can be understood in wanting so hard to believe the rhetoric. 

Those that expound the same while knowing and ignoring the facts are but enablers and culpable in any effort in whatever may follow.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.2.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @16.2.7    2 weeks ago

You too.

 
 
 
Dulay
16.2.11  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2.4    2 weeks ago
Here is a fact for you:

Here's a fact for YOU Vic.

Governors don't need to ASK Trump to deploy the NG since they COMMAND of their own fucking NG. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.2.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  r.t..b... @16.2.9    2 weeks ago

I like it!

The epitaph for the New York Times.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
16.2.13  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2.12    2 weeks ago

Glad you can continue to find some solace in placing blame, Vic.

Hopefully it is not an epitaph for trying to fulfill the noble endeavor of self-governance.
If so, we are all to blame...regardless of which side, which feckless party with which we align, or which crooked finger we choose point at others in total ignorance of our own shortcomings. 

 
 
 
Dulay
16.2.14  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2    one week ago

Why didn't they expect violence from the 'Trump group'? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.2.15  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @16.2.14    one week ago

Where would you expect violence?

From here:

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Or here:

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Tessylo
16.2.16  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2.15    one week ago

The groups you are depicting aren't storming the Capitol with molotov cocktails, IEDs, lead pipes

Also, there were many off duty police in that mob.

 
 
 
Dulay
16.2.17  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2.15    one week ago

The evidence shows, here:

512

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.2.18  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @16.2.17    one week ago

Oh dear, another meaningless picture!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.2.19  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2.15    one week ago

Just remember, all the plywood put up in DC was put up in the event Trump won. That was the fear - that the left would again riot if he won. People don't tend to expect things that haven't happened before.

 
 
 
Dulay
16.2.20  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2.18    one week ago

If the obvious answer is meaningless, so was the question. 

 
 
 
Dulay
16.2.21  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2.19    one week ago

The plywood that they are putting up NOW is to cover the broken windows at the US Capitol breached by Trump's mob of insurrectionists. You must be proud. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
16.2.22  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2.19    one week ago

Vic would you expect violence from people who carry confederate flags into the capitol building? People who wear shirts with approving memes about genocide on them? How about from those who erect makeshift gallows with a noose in front of the seat of government? When the Trump loving rioters broke out windows in order to enter the Capitol Building, what were they going inside there to do? Go sightseeing?  Two Trump supporters entered the Senate chamber with zip ties IN THEIR HANDS. Why? Who did they intend to restrain? 

Trump famously said about the Q Anon nutcases  - "all I know about them is they like me". There is no doubt whatsoever that he would say the same thing about those who rioted on his behalf at the Capitol Building. No doubt whatsoever. 

YESTERDAY Trump told Kevin McCarthy, the Republican leader in the House, that "antifa" was responsible for the insurrection at the Capitol. Trump said this after the US Department of Justice said antifa had NO involvement.  Trump said that to McCarthy yesterday, because he is a sick, evil, man. At leasat Mc Carthy mustered up the guts to tell Trump he was wrong. It's too late for McCarthy to save his own honor after years of being a Trump lapdog, but at least he finally said it. 

When are you going to say it Vic? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.2.23  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @16.2.22    one week ago
Vic would you expect violence from people who carry confederate flags into the capitol building? People who wear shirts with approving memes about genocide on them? How about from those who erect makeshift gallows with a noose in front of the seat of government? When the Trump loving rioters broke out windows in order to enter the Capitol Building, what were they going inside there to do? Go sightseeing? 

John, I didn't see any of that until the Capitol was breeched. Those people came and hid within that enormous crowd until they saw the chance to make their move. I don't recall seeing anything like that come out of a Trump rally. Anyone who claims they have is obviously a liar.


Trump famously said about the Q Anon nutcases  - "all I know about them is they like me". 

He should have called CNN. CNN seem to be obsessed with Q Anon. They're the experts.


When are you going to say it Vic? 

NEVER. Trump, as I've told you many times, has done exactly what this nation needed. In addition, he got the America First Movement going. As he leaves the public square we are all better for it, despite the temporary rise of the leftist authoritarian state. Someone will take his place. We know who the enemy of America is and I have a feeling the nation is in for a lot of social unrest. The counter revolution has begun.

 
 
 
Tessylo
16.2.24  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2.23    one week ago
"Trump, as I've told you many times, has done exactly what this nation needed. In addition, he got the America First Movement going. As he leaves the public square we are all better for it, despite the temporary rise of the leftist authoritarian state."

What was that other than benefitting himself and his criminal enterprise of an administration?

The America First Movement sounds like a right wing authoritarian state or a bowel movement.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
16.2.25  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2.23    one week ago

Your comment is complete nonsense. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
16.2.26  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @16.2.1    one week ago
IT'S CALLED FUBAR.  
That's what happens to everything this 'president' touches.
 
 
 
Tessylo
16.2.27  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2.4    one week ago
"it's because your a Trump follower and don't believe in facts."

"Here is a fact for you:

"President Trump said Saturday that he was prepared to once again send in National Guard troops to cities if asked, following the 86th consecutive night of chaos in Portland, Oregon.

“Another bad night of Rioting in Portland, Oregon. A small number of Federal troops there to protect courthouse and other Federal property only (great job!),”      Trump tweeted Saturday morning.       “Wanting to be asked by City & State to STOP THE RIOTS. Would bring in National Guard, end problem immediately. ASK!”

Protests were so violent in downtown Portland last night that cops declared it a riot early Saturday.

The crowd of roughly 100 threw glass bottles, broke windows in patrol cars and pointed lasers outside a precinct Friday night before police decided to move in,      The Associated Press reported."

nypost.com/2020/08/22/trump-offers-to-send-national-guard-to-portland-to-end-violence/"

What happened in Oregon has NOTHING to do with the tRump mob siege on the Capitol.

 
 
 
Dulay
16.2.28  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2.23    one week ago
Those people came and hid within that enormous crowd until they saw the chance to make their move.

Vic, every one of those mother fuckers went through a security entrance. Unless you think that they all did a 'Clark Kent' strip somewhere, their 'swag' was visible for all to see. 

So show me the piles of discarded disguises that those mother fuckers dropped in  route to the Capitol or admit that your 'posit' is laughable. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.2.29  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @16.2.28    one week ago

I only looked at the crowd in the early morning. It looked to me like a lot of family types.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
16.2.30  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2.23    one week ago
NEVER. Trump, as I've told you many times, has done exactly what this nation needed. In addition, he got the America First Movement going. As he leaves the public square we are all better for it, despite the temporary rise of the leftist authoritarian state. Someone will take his place. We know who the enemy of America is and I have a feeling the nation is in for a lot of social unrest. The counter revolution has begun.

Vic,

I find it deeply disturbing that you are referring to your fellow Americans who hold an opposite opinion to you, "Enemy of America. Furthermore, what exactly is the counter-revolution? An Idea or a call to action, and if action, what would that action be?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.2.31  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @16.2.27    one week ago

No, they were opposites in terms of ideology, but they used similar violent methods.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.2.32  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @16.2.30    one week ago
I find it deeply disturbing that you are referring to your fellow Americans who hold an opposite opinion to you, "Enemy of America.

What would you call those who don't believe in the 1st, 2nd or 4th Amendments? They no longer believe in Civil liberties or the rule of law. What should I call them?


Furthermore, what exactly is the counter-revolution?

We once had a social revolution in the late 60's. Those individuals left the universities and took control of most of our institutions and are now the ruling class. I believe we are seeing a similar revolution from the other side. 


An Idea or a call to action, and if action, what would that action be?

It is hard to say. If it is violent (the FBI is warning of violence in all 50 states on inauguration day) it will surely fail, because this time all the power of government and the media is against it. However, if it can produce leaders it will have some form of influence. I don't know if it will lead to a new political party or win elections, I just know it exists.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
16.2.33  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2.32    one week ago

Vic,

There is no one that I know of who doesn't believe in those Amendments. Some might feel that there are some limitations to them, but not to do away with them entirely.  You can not expect corporations to do what you want them to do. That has been my complaint about them all along. By those standards, shouldn't "Citizens United" be done away with, too?

What needs to be examined is how much power we want to give corporations.