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Saturday's Shenigans

  
By:  Baron Creek  •  Nonsense and Ramblings  •  one week ago  •  42 comments

Saturday's Shenigans
Men and nations behave wisely when they have exhausted all other resources. - Abba Eban

Grocery Shortages

Toilet paper shortage... caused by bosses without employees to wipe their butts and like everything else in life... there is a lot of waste during the "training" period. (yes, I have a sick mind).

On a more serious note, yes there has been hoarding of many items found in the grocery store. But(t), not sure all the onslaught is strictly hoarding. A lot of people have been told to stay at home, etc. 

The Bureau of Labor Statistics Consumer Price Index, lists the average family spent 13.255% on food in 2019. However, 45.3% of that was spent away from home, which would also include delivery, take-out, convenient stores, dine-in, malls, cafeterias, etc. That left 7.244% to be spent on grocery store items to be prepared and consumed at home.

I'm sure that many people will still utilize delivery and carry out, but the rest is rapidly coming to a close. My silly off the wall calculation suggest that grocery shopping would increase by 50%+. See where this is heading? Now most people would prefer to avoid multiple trips to the grocery each week and will buy larger quantities to reduce those trips and possible exposure. Hence the sudden emptying of shelves. Store were not prepared for such a rapid increase and neither was the supply chain. People that missed out on that one item they so desperately needed will go back soon and suddenly find items they "might" need. 

Granted., orders of products originally moving towards the restaurants, etc. will decrease and begin shifting towards the grocery stores, but that will not happen overnight. It will likely take a weeks to smooth out. All those stay at home orders and non-essential shops shutting down will continue to put pressure on the food supply chain. Expect reports of empty shelves to be the norm for awhile. Unfortunately, there will be hoarding on top of this as "the world is coming to an end" mentality gets worse. Lest I forget, a lot of people seem to waste more food at home as well. 

BTW, toilet paper is not considered a food, as its end use is something different than edible. Ewww!

Financial Markets

Quite a buzz about financial markets, with stocks falling, corporate bonds diving (yields skyrocketing) and "bailouts", "backstops", "QE- 4 or 5 or 6" ( I've lost count), checks to Americans, etc. 

Suddenly, rigid capitalists are making Bernie Sanders look closer to Ron Paul in ideology. I'm not against any of the extreme measures being put forth, but I do have some concerns about implementation. 

  • Any Corporate Inversions that might require bailout should not only be give up substantial shares, equivalent to the bailout, but also equivalent to taxes avoided since inversion. Using inversions to avoid taxes, then require tax money to survive, is pure nonsense, imo.
  • Multi-national corporations that have issued bonds to fund or partially fund or offset overseas expansions should be carefully evaluated, as using taxpayer dollars to salvage foreign expansions is woeful, imo.

I have others, but they are too numerous. I doubt any consideration will be given to such thoughts, until after the deeds are done. 

Unfortunately, we are at that time in our history, where even the kitchen sink must be thrown in. I had long thought that the 2008 "Great Recession" was never really resolved, but merely had the curve flattened out and mitigated by extreme bubbles and at some point down the road will implode. I had hoped it was still a few years away.  

In any case, the charade is over and our leaders seem to be fearful of their continued existence and hope to keep the wolves at bay.

This is becoming depressing to think about. 

Grocery Delivery

I had my first and probably last grocery delivery today. I ordered yesterday and half the stuff was out of stock by delivery time. Which was okay, as the refrigerator was still stocked fairly full from the great freezer blowout. I was mainly attempting to determine if delivery was viable. I think curbside or whatever it is called will be the next experiment. Maybe some time next week. Don't worry... it wouldn't kill me to cut back a bit on food. 

Either way, I dutifully put on my latex gloves and wiped every surface of each and every item before bringing the stuff inside the house. Turns out that half an order was about all I could handle. Can't be too careful.

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Baron Creek
1  author  Baron Creek    one week ago

Here's a phrase I can't ever remember uttering with such joy... "oh boy, the yard will soon need mowing"!

 
 
 
Split Personality
2  Split Personality    one week ago

I'm 4 weeks into cutting the grass.  Roses, Dianthis, coreopsis, African Daisies, Gerbera Daisies are already blooming.

Liotrope and monkey grass are already renewing as are the mums and other perennials peeking up through the soils.

A few potatoes missed last year are greening up in the Moses in the Boat patch which I try to restrain with stone walls.

( a year round battle I know is futile )

Mounds of black eyed Susans which survived the winter are days away from the first blooms and seeded a few new plants.

it was apparently too cold for the hibiscus last night, but i am sure it will bounce back.  Bulbs of day lilies, paper whites and Amyrllous

are about 2 inches high.

No matter what happens with the economies, politics and religions of humans, the earth just keeps on keeping on.

 

 
 
 
Baron Creek
2.1  author  Baron Creek  replied to  Split Personality @2    one week ago

Long story short... we had a drought last summer and twice the landscaping company came by to fertilize. That contract is over. I could have watered... but hundreds of dollars, no thanks.

Some of the stuff I ordered for delivery got canceled, which fell into yard type stuff. I find it hard to believe they were out... probably wasn't going to waste time. I've order from Amazon Prime, so I'll wait and see. 

Frankly, I am going to be more like most of my neighbors, which means letting it grow tall, then mowing, etc. I always mowed it tall as it just looks so much better, imo, and is definitely thicker. Afterall, that is how grass seed works.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Split Personality @2    5 days ago

I have to put off my yearly planting for now but I will be able to do it eventually.

 
 
 
Krishna
3  Krishna    one week ago

Trump and his puppet-masters over at Faux News rant on and on about the very real dangers "Socialism" poses to our country. But are they aware of that Trump's advocating bailouts for the aiirline industry (yes-- that means giving government money to selected private corporations)...isn't exactly Capitalism!

 
 
 
Baron Creek
3.1  author  Baron Creek  replied to  Krishna @3    one week ago

IMO, both parties are complicit in running up deficits, war spending, lack of meaningful financial control... basically being greedy and serving their own self interests, while manipulating a very compliant public... in their favor. 

It seems to me that both sides are having a wtf moment and the realization that those days might be over. That's the curve they are attempting to flatten out, until they can make some kind of exit, with their plunder intact. 

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Baron Creek @3.1    one week ago

IMO, both parties are complicit in running up deficits, war spending, lack of meaningful financial control... basically being greedy and serving their own self interests, while manipulating a very compliant public... in their favor. 

I totally agree. 

Hopefully more and more of the general public is becoming more aware of that. (in many cases Millennials are).

One thing that's been a bit different is that while traditionally most Republicans want a "balanced budget"-- and are traditionally for a smaller federal government, and  less government spending (except for defense) Trump has moved away from that position to a large degree. (And many conservative politicians who are his supporters have moved away from the traditional conservative position of smaller government.and advocsating less government spending).

 
 
 
CB
3.1.2  CB   replied to  Krishna @3.1.1    6 days ago

Maybe guys, maybe it costs "a lot" to run a country this size! Just saying. As we all know living up to the standards we have accustomed ourselves too cost 'bigly.' (Smile.)

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.2  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Krishna @3    one week ago
"Socialism"

when the government "nationalizes business" you may have a point.

but that is not going to happen.

 
 
 
Baron Creek
3.2.1  author  Baron Creek  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.2    one week ago
but that is not going to happen.

AIG

GM

1970 Penn Central (evolved to Amtrak)

Other financial loans, etc. 

1989 S&L - cost taxpayers $124B

2001 Airline Industry -$5B cost to taxpayers and $10 Billion in loan guarantees

None of these might fit your definition of socialism, but cannot be considered as capitalism. A choice has to be made.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.2.2  Krishna  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.2    one week ago
when the government "nationalizes business" you may have a point. but that is not going to happen.

Perhaps you should read this:

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.2.3  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Baron Creek @3.2.1    one week ago
None of these might fit your definition of socialism, but cannot be considered as capitalism.

capitalists hire a government to keep the economy going during downturns

if you have a problem with our taxes and incentives?  go live in venezuala for a while and see how socialists do it.

A choice has to be made.

the choice has been made.  this will never be a socialist country without much bloodshed first.

there is no way to vote away the notion of individual ownership of property, business and rights.

   we will fight tooth and nail for it.

 
 
 
Baron Creek
3.2.4  author  Baron Creek  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.2.3    one week ago
capitalists hire a government to keep the economy going during downturns

Wrong. Capitalism refers to an economic system in which a society’s means of production are held by private individuals or organizations, not the government, and where products, prices, and the distribution of goods are determined mainly by competition in a free market.

Socialism, meanwhile, is most often used in modern English to refer to a system of social organization in which private property and the distribution of income are subject to social control.

Businesses, industry leaders and politicians are currently clamoring for the latter and the public is anxiously awaiting these efforts.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.2.5  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Krishna @3.2.2    one week ago
taking an equity stake in companies accepting federal aid.

an "equity stake" is not the same as owning and controlling that business

it only means they want their money back.... which is a very capitalistic thing to do.

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

1 :   any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a :   a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b :   a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 :   a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between   capitalism   and   communism   and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.2.6  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Baron Creek @3.2.4    one week ago
Wrong. Capitalism refers to an economic system in which a society’s means of production are held by private individuals or organizations, not the government,

helping business stay afloat during downturns is not socialism...

it is common sense.

example:  should our federal government let our airlines and other industry fail because of the wuhan flu? 

 that would be damn stupid. 

 
 
 
Baron Creek
3.2.7  author  Baron Creek  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.2.6    one week ago
it is common sense.

A sense or belief commonly regarded as true, but might also be false. Common sense led people for centuries to believe the earth was flat, or the sun evolved around earth, etc. 

The U.S. has deluded its citizens (including me) into believing we are a capitalist society, but government regulations regarding a myriad of goods and services, all clamored for its citizens... indicate we have moved away from capitalism. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.2.8  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Baron Creek @3.2.7    one week ago
but might also be false. Common sense led people for centuries to believe the earth was flat,

socialists, communists,  and flat earthers have a lot in common = stupidity.

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.9  TᵢG  replied to  Baron Creek @3.2.7    one week ago
The U.S. has deluded its citizens (including me) into believing we are a capitalist society, but government regulations regarding a myriad of goods and services, all clamored for its citizens... indicate we have moved away from capitalism. 

What have we moved into?

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.10  TᵢG  replied to  Baron Creek @3.2.1    one week ago
None of these might fit your definition of socialism, but cannot be considered as capitalism. A choice has to be made.

State capitalism.   One of many articles discussing this:

The tools of state capitalism are many. National energy companies are a favorite; nominally private concerns acting as “national champions” are another. Sovereign wealth funds have become a common means for states to invest wealth garnered from natural resource sales. China and Russia are premier practitioners of state capitalism. Other examples include the United Arab Emirates, Ukraine, Algeria and Brazil. Even India, which has moved toward free markets while preserving democratic norms, “remains poised between the state‐​dominated economic model of an earlier era and one driven by private enterprise,” writes Mr. Bremmer.
 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.11  TᵢG  replied to  Baron Creek @3.2.4    one week ago
Wrong. Capitalism refers to an economic system in which a society’s means of production are held by private individuals or organizations, not the government, and where products, prices, and the distribution of goods are determined mainly by competition in a free market.

I would modify this a bit to include the concept of state capitalism.   Capitalism in general is an economic system wherein the productive resources of the economy are owned and controlled by a minority.   That minority is typically viewed as the capitalist class (those at the top making the decisions) but includes aristocracy and government officials.   A state running enterprises is state capitalism.

Socialism, meanwhile, is most often used in modern English to refer to a system of social organization in which private property and the distribution of income are subject to social control.

Indeed.   Socialism is a (theoretical) economic system wherein the productive resources of the economy are NOT owned and controlled by a minority but rather are democratically controlled by the people.

 
 
 
Baron Creek
3.2.12  author  Baron Creek  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.11    one week ago

We are edging closer to a corporative economy, imo.

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.13  TᵢG  replied to  Baron Creek @3.2.12    one week ago

Agreed.   And it has a transnational scope.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4  The Magic Eight Ball    one week ago

if one grabs enough food and supplies for 90 days.... that is 90 days of social distance in the bag.

 

 
 
 
Krishna
4.1  Krishna  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4    one week ago

if one grabs enough food and supplies for 90 days.... that is 90 days of social distance in the bag.

And we all know how the administration feels about "Social Distance":

In our line of work you shake hands.The president will continue to do it I will continue to do it.

--Vice President, role model, and leading Pandemic Expert Mike Pence

 
 
 
SteevieGee
4.2  SteevieGee  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4    one week ago

All those bagged salads are going to be delicious after 90 days.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4.2.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  SteevieGee @4.2    one week ago
All those bagged salads are going to be delicious after 90 days

LOL  probably not... so you might want to rethink your shopping list

obviously most people understand  I'm talking about pasta, beans, rice, milk, meat. canned goods, and other things that can be stored,  frozen and do not rot in a few days

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5  Paula Bartholomew    one week ago

BTW, toilet paper is not considered a food.

When I was a kid, I used to eat TP and Kleenex, along with that stuff used to make relief maps in school.  I also had a thing for Walter Kendel Fives, especially the green ones.  It drove my mother crazy but our doctor said it was harmless and that I would grow out of it.  I did.

 
 
 
Split Personality
6  Split Personality    one week ago

I personally don't see why she said anything about Mr. Trump, but hording paper is wrong.

Hopefully the industry just keeps restocking the shelves and these fools have a 2 year supply of crappy TP in the garage

that no one else wants...

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Split Personality @6    6 days ago

The stores themselves need to stop this bs.  Maybe she will get constipated and not be able to use it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.2  TᵢG  replied to  Split Personality @6    6 days ago

Not only is this incredibly dumb, but it is beyond selfish and inconsiderate.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Split Personality @6    6 days ago

She better hope that those who engage in breaking and entering activities don't know where she lives.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
6.3.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6.3    6 days ago

Or, once toilet paper is readily available again, she might find quite a bit of it hanging from her trees.

I'm not sure any jury would convict.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.3.2  TᵢG  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.3.1    6 days ago

I wonder when she will realize that hoarding TP is probably uber dumb.   Probably should stock up on food rather than deprive the community of TP.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
6.3.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  TᵢG @6.3.2    6 days ago

And nonperishable food, at that.  I keep seeing people buying enough red meat to fill 3 deep freezes, and I'm waiting for karma to hit them with an extended power outage.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.3.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.3.1    6 days ago

I once saw a show where wedding dress designers were challenged to make gowns out of TP and some of them were quite beautiful.  She might have a new career.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.3.5  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.3.3    6 days ago

I usually have a pound of burger on hand and a couple of steaks.  I already had enough Stouffer and Atkins meals to last for awhile.  Now, if you have a separate deep freezer and have a lot of people to feed, having extra meat is a good idea, but some are just going way overboard.  If I were to get truly desperate, I have a lot of MRE's in my earthquake kit.

 
 
 
Split Personality
6.3.6  Split Personality  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6.3.5    6 days ago

My mother thought her freezer was failing and she emptied it only to find stuff at the bottom that was 6 or 7 years old.

My cousin stopped by and noticed a postcard had gotten into the cooling fan vent causing the noises.

I didn't ask what she did with the old frozen things, lol.jrSmiley_72_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
CB
6.3.7  CB   replied to  Split Personality @6.3.6    5 days ago

This is a problem for truly elderly people. Check their herbs in the season racks and cabinets. Our love ones have such fond memories of their ingredients that they love to hold on to them well pass the expiration dates: Years even.

Who am I talking to in here? (Smile.)

Save a life: check out dates on all food stuffs (herbs and liquids) for the elderly ones we love! Yes! Your love ones with fond memories are still pinching out of those products as the years drone on.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
7  Paula Bartholomew    6 days ago

There is a show called Extreme Couponing.  It is amazing how some of these people buy hundreds of dollars worth of food and other items, but end up paying just a few bucks, usually up to a 90% in savings.  They have literally rooms full of things, to include TP, paper towels, bacterial soap, food, etc.  They have enough stuff to last years.

 
 
 
Split Personality
8  Split Personality    6 days ago

 
 
 
CB
8.1  CB   replied to  Split Personality @8    5 days ago

Really? (Smile.)  A truly great song. My, my, it looks so funny today to see him touching all those hands! I am just now getting used to not shaking hands and I see this! (Smile.)  This is amazing talent.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9  Paula Bartholomew    5 days ago

I have learned of a scam going on here so I thought I would put out a warning.  There are people showing up at people's homes wearing vests and official ID badges which are fake.  They will tell you they want to check your interior air quality but it is an excuse to scope you out and either robbing you then and there or coming back later to do it.  DON"T FALL FOR IT Y'ALL!!!