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In Liz Cheney vs. Donald Trump, Guess Who Won

  
Via:  Bob Nelson  •  3 years ago  •  19 comments

By:   Peter Wehner - The New York Times

In Liz Cheney vs. Donald Trump, Guess Who Won



The Republican Party is not done degrading itself.

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I do not like Liz Cheney's policy choices. She has always voted the strict party line.

Tax-breaks for the rich, and all that crap.

But also... she voted for democracy ... and that is a good thing.



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512 I asked a Republican who spent time with Representative Liz Cheney last week what her thinking was in speaking out so forcefully, so unyieldingly, against Donald Trump's lie that the 2020 election was rigged and stolen, despite knowing that this might cost the three-term congresswoman her political career.

Liz Cheney and Donald Trump in happier days.
Andrew Harnik/Associated Press

"It's pretty simple," this person, who requested anonymity in order to speak openly, told me. "She decided she's going to stay on the right side of her conscience."

"She wasn't going to lie to stay in leadership," he added. "If telling the truth was intolerable, she knew she wasn't going to keep her leadership position."

Ms. Cheney was certainly right about that. Early on Wednesday, House Republicans ousted her from her position as the chairman of the House Republican conference, the No. 3 leadership slot, one her father held in the late 1980s. The next priority of Mr. Trump and MAGA world? To defeat her in a primary in 2022.

The takedown of Representative Cheney was not an "inflection point," as some have called it. It was the opposite — the latest (but it won't be the last) confirmation that the Republican Party is diseased and dangerous, increasingly subversive and illiberal, caught in the grip of what Ms. Cheney described in The Washington Post as the "anti-democratic Trump cult of personality."

"Remaining silent and ignoring the lie emboldens the liar," Ms. Cheney, unbroken and unbowed, said in a speech on the House floor Tuesday night. "I will not participate in that. I will not sit back and watch in silence while others lead our party down a path that abandons the rule of law and joins the former president's crusade to undermine our democracy." Her Republican colleagues, cowardly and classless, cleared the chamber as she began her remarks. But they can't escape her searing indictment.

Declaring fealty to a lie has become the single most important test of loyalty in today's Republican Party. Everyone recognizes this, but from time to time we need to stop to register its true significance.

"It's a real sickness that is infecting the party at every level," Barbara Comstock, a Republican who represented Virginia's 10th Congressional District before Mr. Trump's unpopularity in the suburbs sank her chances in the 2018 election, told Lisa Lerer of The Times. "We're just going to say that black is white now."

This should come as a surprise to exactly no one. For more than five years, the Republican Party and its leading media propagandists embraced and championed Mr. Trump's mendacities, conspiracy theories and sociopathic tendencies. As a result, their brains became rewired, at least metaphorically speaking; the constant accommodation Republicans made to Mr. Trump caused significant cognitive distortions.

As a result, they have detached themselves from reality. The expectation that once Mr. Trump left office the Republican Party would become a normal party again was wishful thinking from the beginning. There is no post-Trump fight for the "soul" of the Republican Party. At least for now, that battle has been decided.

Liz Cheney understands that only a decisive break with Mr. Trump will stop the continuing moral ruination of the Republican Party. But her break with the former president, while courageous, came too late to change anything. She is trying to rally an army that doesn't exist.

It doesn't exist for two reasons. The first is that many grass-roots Republicans, having been fed a steady diet of fabrications and disinformation for the last half-decade, are deluded. They believe Mr. Trump's conspiracy theories, in large measure because they want to believe them, and now they are addicted to them. And addictions are hard to break.

The latest CNN/SSRS survey found that 70 percent of Republicans believe the false allegation that Joe Biden did not defeat Mr. Trump; a mere 23 percent said Mr. Biden won, despite the Trump administration's admission that "the November 3 election was the most secure in American history."

These Republicans believe they are truth-tellers and patriots, sentries at freedom's gate. They are utterly sincere; they are also quite dangerous. They are taking a sledgehammer to pillars of American democracy: confidence in the legitimacy of our elections, the rule of law and the peaceful transfer of power.

Most Republican members of Congress, on the other hand, don't believe President Biden was illegitimately elected. Kevin McCarthy, Elise Stefanik, Josh Hawley, Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham aren't deceived. They are play acting in ways that are unethical and cynical, but they are not stupid. They're fully aware that the cancerous lies have metastasized — they each played a crucial role in spreading them, after all — and to refute those lies publicly would put targets on their backs.

Many of the most influential figures in Republican politics have decided that breaking with Mr. Trump would so alienate the base of the party that it would make election victories impossible, at least for the foreseeable future. That's essentially what Senator Graham was saying when he recently went on Fox News and posed this question to his Republican colleagues: "Can we move forward without President Trump? The answer is no."

This means that the new Republican establishment will accede to pretty much anything Mr. Trump demands in order to keep good relations with him. And we know what the former president's main demand is — insisting he was cheated out of a second term.

So we have reached the point where a member of one of the Republican Party's leading families, a person of unquestioned conservative credentials, is now less popular with the Republican base and more reviled by the House leadership than the onetime QAnon supporter Marjorie Taylor Greene, who just before the Jan. 6 insurrection referred to that day as Republicans' "1776 moment."

Ms. Cheney was stripped of her leadership post because she committed the unpardonable sin in 2021's Republican Party: She spoke the truth about the legitimacy of the 2020 election results and refused to back down. Whatever she was before, she is a voice of conscience now, reminding her colleagues of their Faustian bargain with their peculiar Mephistopheles, Donald Trump. It enrages them even as it haunts them.

Today the Republican Party is less a political party than a political freak show. It is being sustained by insidious lies. And people who love America, starting with conservatives, should say so. Otherwise, if the Republican Party's downward spiral isn't reversed, it will descend even further into a frightening world of illusion.

Peter Wehner (@Peter_Wehner), a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center who served in the Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush administrations, is a contributing Opinion writer and the author of "The Death of Politics: How to Heal Our Frayed Republic After Trump."


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Bob Nelson
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1  seeder  Bob Nelson    3 years ago

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Today the Republican Party is less a political party than a political freak show. It is being sustained by insidious lies. And people who love America, starting with conservatives, should say so.
 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3  Dismayed Patriot    3 years ago

Liz dared to speak truth to her own party which in their minds is a cardinal sin. Her party is far too invested in lies to allow their own members to start rocking the boat that is overloaded and ready to capsize with misinformation, fantasy demons and 'alternative facts'. She was the one at the cultists party that said "Hey, this punch tastes funny, is there poison in here?". While I don't agree with her conservative policy positions, I can admire her backbone as none of her colleges appear to have one at all which makes her stand out. All she did was state the demonstrative truth and her party kicked her in the teeth. As they say, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. Sadly, a Republican party with no spine can't stand for anything and chooses to continue slithering around in the swamp mud left by the swamp creature himself, their former liar-in-chief. If they give up on Trumpturd now they'll be condemned to irrelevancy and exposed as the liars and charlatans they have become which is what they fear the most. Their only course now is to double down on the Tangerine Mussolini's lies or risk losing his wide base of half wits, bigots, Nazi's and white supremacists that empowered the party to narrowly win the electoral college in 2016. They know they have no chance of ever winning the vote of the majority of Americans so they have no choice but to pander to the fringe and hope they can get just enough in the swing States to eek out another win to regain power, and Liz just shat truth in their mouths which has them bitterly angry and out for her blood.

 
 
 
CB
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3.1  CB  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3    3 years ago

I am mad "all-day" with Liz Cheney, for trying to split her STUPID, TIRED, political baby! Throw that party crap out! It's how she and her party ended up in this fine mess in the first place!! That is, Donald J. Trump, who could give a damn about either of the two political party, stared longer at the republican party and came to a conclusion he could 'takeover' this one! It's primed already!

I have been calling out for somebody on the 'inside' to fight back and now 'forces' are rallying. FINALLY! Donald J. Trump has pushed some of the sycophants to far. Liz Cheney has broken through the fog of Trump. Maybe by 2022 she can shitcanned Kevin McCarthy's fever dream of a House take—but, that is just it. . . Liz Cheney is not speaking out against election rigging in red states, she is not against that which is occurring in red states, she is distinctively dividing Donald J. Trump from the pack. And him alone.

Therefore, she is still par and parcel to a just slightly smaller lie than the "Big Lie."

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  CB @3.1    3 years ago

Liz is Dick's daughter...  jrSmiley_32_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.2  CB  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.1    3 years ago

I know the Cheney family background. Care to elaborate. . . .

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.3  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  CB @3.1.2    3 years ago

We shouldn't let Liz's one good deed obscure the fact that she is and has always been a strict Reagan Republican. She is not a good person.

 
 
 
CB
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4  CB    3 years ago
 Whatever she was before, she is a voice of conscience now, reminding her colleagues of their Faustian bargain with their peculiar Mephistopheles, Donald Trump. It enrages them even as it haunts them.

She exists in a conscienceless 'world' now. It's what she/they/republicans get for kissing a demon-reprobate. Now, she is kicked to the 'the curb' and trying to find a vehicle to ride back home in. I won't celebrate, Liz Cheney. She was/is part of the problem, with her 'wants' that sacrifices good people in society for her ease.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5  JohnRussell    3 years ago

Imagine Trump gets the GOP nomination in 2024.  Cheney would then enter the race as a conservative independent. She hinted as much on a tv show this morning, or at least didnt say no when the anchor suggest it. 

Cheney said she will do everything she can to keep Trump out of the oval office.  I think her running as an independent conservative in 2024 would do it. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  JohnRussell @5    3 years ago

Yup. My question is.... "Will she stay the course?" If she's offered a top post......

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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5.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1    3 years ago

She HAD a top post, and you have now seen how quickly it can be pulled out from under a person if they don't "toe the line".

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1.2  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.1.1    3 years ago

Indeed. What confidence could she have?

What confidence could anyone have?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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5.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.2    3 years ago

Exactly.  Even Bill Gates has discovered that what might have been made in heaven doesn't necessarily last forever.

 
 
 
JBB
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6  JBB    3 years ago

Is it any wonder that the once Grand Old Party of Abraham Lincoln is now known merely as the gop?

It rhymes with glop and slop and is bound to flop!

If you're in the gop, get out of it and clean yourself...

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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7  Thrawn 31    3 years ago
But also... she voted for democracy ... and that is a good thing

Woah, slow down there hoss, I wouldn’t go quite that far. She supported trump in 2016 and 2020, voted with him like 93% of the time and knew EXACTLY who and what he was on November 3rd. Everyone e knew what he would do if he lost the election, and she was totally okay with that right up until he actually refused the peaceful transfer of power.

And now after she has her career ruined she regrets her vote. Too goddamn late for a conscience Cheney.

Saying she voted for democracy is putting it in a very generous light. She aids authoritarians right up until they take that last step. That is like a high ranking Nazi being cool with everything riiiight up until the ribbon cutting at auschwitz.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.1  Tessylo  replied to  Thrawn 31 @7    3 years ago

See how Elise Stefanik was against trumpturd from the start, until she was for him.  Sold her sold to the republikkkans.  

At the end there Stefanik is quoting trumpturds' talking points/LIES word for word

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8  Tessylo    3 years ago

 
 
 
CB
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8.1  CB  replied to  Tessylo @8    3 years ago

Elise Stefanik is number three in the "Big Lie Party" line-up. Yes, Girl you 'earned it.'

Earned It - The Weeknd (Lyrics)

(Hey! This is so smooth, I'm gonna 'rock the vote' on it myself!)

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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8.1.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  CB @8.1    3 years ago

The way to success in today's Republican American Fascist Party: express total support for a lie. A Big Lie.

 
 

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