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By:  CB  •  Religion and Reason  •  8 months ago  •  58 comments

The New Gods Are Arriving

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CB
1  author  CB     8 months ago

It's A Statement.

The new gods are evolving before our very eyes. They are flesh and bone experts in their fields of endeavor. Masters of systems and domains. Lords of Enterprise (Donald Trump). Discoverers of black holes.  Creators in the art of healing. Emperors of techno.

Can ending all wars be just an 'evolution' away (for a human "deity")?  How about a cure for the 'Common Cold'? Can the new gods increase human love for one another? We're have to wait and see!

Or will we?

 
 
 
luther28
2  luther28    8 months ago

Well when they arrive, hopefully they will pity the stupidity of the human race and not send us all to oblivion for not appreciating all that we have and eating our own.

 
 
 
katrix
3  katrix    8 months ago

Why would anyone consider scientists to be gods?  And what on earth does Trump have to do with any of this?

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1  Tessylo  replied to  katrix @3    8 months ago

Rump -  Lord of Enterprise?  WTF?

 
 
 
luther28
3.1.1  luther28  replied to  Tessylo @3.1    8 months ago

Closer to Lord of the Flies

 
 
 
CB
3.1.2  author  CB   replied to  luther28 @3.1.1    8 months ago

HA!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  luther28 @3.1.1    8 months ago

It is more likely that he is the turd that attracts the flies.

 
 
 
CB
3.1.4  author  CB   replied to  Tessylo @3.1    8 months ago

BTW, if President D. Trump is able to hold on to the office of president, if it is even close in fall 2020 election, I am seriously going to have to rethink 'hanging out' with the Democratic Party. We SAY Trump is a great many negative influences and 'overrides' and yet, he wins as often as he loses. We've already done two years plus of watching Trump skate pass all the safeguards on American government. It is time to discover the single energetic  straight talker or "bullfhitter" voters want to accept next year, or else we are going to be serving, this new 'god' for,

Four. More. Years.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.5  It Is ME  replied to  CB @3.1.4    8 months ago
We've already done two years plus of watching Trump skate pass all the safeguards on American government.

Could the reason be, "Others" are Skating through the same thing in politics, but they keep a tight lip on their in-house dealings, and the media dares not ask them no questions ?

How does Regular Dick and Jane get into politics, and come out a Multi-Millionaire anyway ?

 
 
 
CB
3.1.6  author  CB   replied to  It Is ME @3.1.5    8 months ago

No, I don't think that is it. President D. Trump is rocking the presidency, tilting it farther and farther over to the conservative vision of the United States. Of course, as a liberal I find a serious problem with him doing that! However, I am perfectly find with him maintaining an equilibrium where there is something for everybody—it's not what I see coming out of the Trump administration. Begrudgingly, I admit he is winning and forcing the country to accept and tolerate his strange 'take' on success by any means necessary.

I don't want to forget who the 'States have become, just to graze for a time on what we used to be. That would be too much like selling out the 'higher calling.'

As for the acquiring of wealth by anybody, I am not now or ever been against it. I do not envy Trump or anyone else personal and professional success and wealth.

All I ever ask is - in all other people getting, just leave some peace of mind and room for getting for the rest of us!

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.7  Krishna  replied to  CB @3.1.4    8 months ago
We've already done two years plus of watching Trump skate pass all the safeguards on American government.

"skate pass"? 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
3.1.8  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Krishna @3.1.7    8 months ago

You didn't know Donald Trump was a professional skateboarder?

Come on man, the hair....the punk hairdo....

 
 
 
CB
3.1.9  author  CB   replied to  Krishna @3.1.7    8 months ago

The operative word is, "pass." (Smile.)

 
 
 
CB
3.2  author  CB   replied to  katrix @3    8 months ago

It is a theory and activity of some humans to replace the "old" God of faith with the 'new' gods of human achievement in the age of science, medicine, and technology. There is this newly discovered push to purge ideas which can not be materially evidenced, but which spiritually affect humanity out of the hearts and mind of 'next' generation children. (See: Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, . . . .)

The 'new gods' are being offered as the way forward for humanity; question is, will the new gods 'better' the problems which have plaqued humanity historically or evenhandedly spread them farther, deeper, and wider?

Trump? You caught that. Great catch. It is a dig of mine that President Donald Trump is a 'force du jour' in conservative politics. He is singlehandedly reshaping our understanding of what government is simply by the force of his will.  "Nobody," including me, agrees with him who is not conservative and including many conservatives, yet he sheds detractors and dissenters, or eats them like fodder, and continues to win the day for conservatism. It is what he told ultra-conservatives he would do and unfortunately, for you and me,  he is having a strong impact.

 
 
 
katrix
3.2.1  katrix  replied to  CB @3.2    8 months ago

Purging ideas which cannot be materially evidenced is logic, not magic.  No gods required.  I don't understand people who think everyone needs to worship something, maybe because they are projecting their own need to worship onto others? 

As for medicine, it clearly helps better the problems which have plagued humanity.  Except for overpopulation - it makes that much worse.

Technology - that has gone both ways.

Science - that has gone both ways too.  It's provided great advances, but also done some real harm to the planet.

 
 
 
CB
3.2.2  author  CB   replied to  katrix @3.2.1    8 months ago

The question is this: Is all of life, logic? 

Is the sum total of your life, logical?

 
 
 
katrix
3.2.3  katrix  replied to  CB @3.2.2    8 months ago

Are you a biblical literalist?  As long as you're going off topic ...

 
 
 
CB
3.2.4  author  CB   replied to  katrix @3.2.3    8 months ago

The logic question has a connection to your comment. The question you ask me is clouded in your own behavior in our discussions. That being you 'probe' others with (religious) views which are different from your own - you profess to not have any measurably religious views - and are impenetrable by others questioning you about your own worldview.

You are right about this: For the interest of this specific area of discussion- worldviews, plural, per se are not currently in play.

 
 
 
katrix
3.2.5  katrix  replied to  CB @3.2.4    8 months ago
For the interest of this specific area of discussion- worldviews, plural, per se are not currently in play

Then why did you just ask me about a component of mine?  Asking me if the sum total of my life is logical is absolutely part of that.

That being you 'probe' others with (religious) views which are different from your own - you profess to not have any measurably religious views - and are impenetrable by others questioning you about your own worldview.

Here's a mirror - you just described your own behavior, not mine.  I've answered plenty of your questions, as have many others, while you consistently refuse to provide a straight answer to any questions.

 
 
 
CB
3.2.6  author  CB   replied to  katrix @3.2.5    8 months ago

If you are here to argue and do 'combat', miss me with that. Not interested. If you want to engage in that which moves us both forward, let's try it!

 
 
 
Krishna
3.2.7  Krishna  replied to  CB @3.2    8 months ago

You realize, of course, that "God" doesn't exist-- that's all a myth created by those in power to perpetrate their control over the ignorant masses?

 
 
 
CB
3.2.8  author  CB   replied to  Krishna @3.2.7    8 months ago

Krishna, do you have any remark on what the "modern" opium for the masses is?

 
 
 
Krishna
3.2.9  Krishna  replied to  katrix @3.2.1    8 months ago
Technology - that has gone both ways. Science - that has gone both ways too.  It's provided great advances, but also done some real harm to the planet.

I totally agree. 

Some people love to generalize-- saying that something is either all good, or all bad. IMO developments in Science and Technology have had effects that are neither entirely good nor are they entirely bad. rather, some effects are negsative, some positive.

The deciding factor IMO is how people use thyem.

I've noticed that many folks do not want to accept responsibility for their own actions-- so its easier to blame some other thing such as "science" or "technology" for problems-- rather than than themselves (or others) who misuse them.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.2.10  Krishna  replied to  CB @3.2.8    8 months ago
Krishna, do you have any remark on what the "modern" opium for the masses is?

Well, there's more than one-- its an over-generalization to state that there's one single "opiate" for everyone!

One of the ones causing major problems now actually is, literally-- opiates!

The "Opiate Epidemic" has caused more problems than is often admitted (although that seems to be changing-- awareness is being raised).

Another IMO is the widespread prostelytizing of by people of their views-- trying to "convert" others to their belief systems (whether their beliefs are religious, atheistic, scientific, anti-scientific, etc). It seems to me that most (not all) of the so-called "discussions" here are "true believers" spending much time and effort try to convert other people to their belief system. trying, in most cases, to convert people with opposite beliefs-- people who are also trying to convert them!

If I were a more judgemental person I would call that extremely stupid...some people need to get a life!!!!

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
3.2.11  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  katrix @3.2.3    8 months ago
Are you a biblical literalist?

Yes, I believe two people populated the earth and incest is to blame for all the disease and poor health. I also believe Noah could't fit the dinosaurs on the ark and they died in the great flood. 

I just can't figure out how megashark died.

 
 
 
CB
3.2.12  author  CB   replied to  Krishna @3.2.10    8 months ago
It seems to me that most (not all) of the so-called "discussions" here are "true believers" spending much time and effort try to convert other people to their belief system. trying, in most cases, to convert people with opposite beliefs-- people who are also trying to convert them!

What a "in your face" thing and untrue thing to say on my article. Perhaps you don't know or choose to ignore the truth that I engage these types of discussions because there are groups of others online (NT), who write articles, seed articles, and comment disparagingly about Christianity specifically and religion in general. Therefore, across months and years the discussions evolve and it is hard for some people "newly arriving" to realize what started the whole set of activities going in the first place.

One such article is at #2 on the homepage right this moment:

Religious "Nones" are now the Largest Religious Group in the Country.

and the author of the seed writes a quote:

96 We are getting there.
Is there an agenda 'there'? Of course it is. Why state stats and surveys unless one is 'hard at work' trying to construct something or in this case tear something down? Krishna,  that 'dig' about being 'less' judgemental falls flat when you give atheists a 'pass' to deconstruct Christianity and other belief systems, and call out true believers as pretenders. How is that for getting a life, my friend?
 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.13  Heartland American  replied to  CB @3.2.6    8 months ago

He/she is more against you because you are a Christian believer than he is with you as a fellow progressive.  

 
 
 
CB
3.2.14  author  CB   replied to  Heartland American @3.2.13    8 months ago

Interesting thought, Keep America Great! Glad you stopped by, btw.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.3  Gordy327  replied to  katrix @3    8 months ago

If anyone should be revered as "gods," it's scientists. They do far more for society than any supposed "god."

 
 
 
CB
3.3.1  author  CB   replied to  Gordy327 @3.3    8 months ago

However, after reflection, how likely is Science to be 'god' since its adherents only see it usage as a mere human tool to use and at other times to discard?

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.3.2  Gordy327  replied to  CB @3.3.1    8 months ago

Sounds the same as any other "god."

 
 
 
CB
3.3.3  author  CB   replied to  Gordy327 @3.3.2    8 months ago

Well, God affecting the human spirit in this modern era is markedly different from nature and elemental gods. (I mean no offense to nature gods or elemental beings.) After all, the human spirit is at the core of being to individuals who accept it.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.3.4  Gordy327  replied to  CB @3.3.3    8 months ago
Well, God affecting the human spirit in this modern era is markedly different from nature and elemental gods. (I mean no offense to nature gods or elemental beings.) After all, the human spirit is at the core of being to individuals who accept it.

There's no evidence of a spirit or that a "spirit" is affected by a god. Neither is there any evidence for a god.

After all, the human spirit is at the core of being to individuals who accept it.

That's anecdotal at best and little more than convincing yourself of something.

 
 
 
CB
3.3.5  author  CB   replied to  Gordy327 @3.3.4    8 months ago

Well, a 'pat answer' won't cut it here, Gordy. That you are not interested in the slightest of a being who won't commit to be examined by human 'tools' and hands does not mean there is no evidence of a Spirit. It could be that you simply are too self-important, arrogant, or otherwise stoic to look in a different direction. Well, maybe you are still young and. . .there is still time. Who knows?

However, I have my anecdotal story and it reads similar to a man named Paul traveling along the Damascus Road in Syria in early AD history. There is no reason for me to pretend no change came over me, as it did with Paul, simply to make you feel better about nature.

You have your 'support' group and I, reckon I have mine. (Cheers.)

 
 
 
Krishna
3.4  Krishna  replied to  katrix @3    8 months ago
Why would anyone consider scientists to be gods? 

I know I certainly wouldn't-- we've seen them scientifically "prove" things time and time again, only to have their "scientific proof" disproved by a later "scientific" discovery. 

(In fact, that's pretty much the history of science).

But people do worship all sorts of things. For example, just the other day I was reading an article about how many people worship The Kardashians . . .). 

Some people worship Trump..others worship AOC. etc.

So why not worship scientists..or for that matter bus drivers..or stand up comics? Or...Topless dancers? 

Actually it might be cool to purchase one of those Pet Rocks and worship that (just to be mischievous and piss off the religious fundamentalists...Hehehe :-)

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4  Trout Giggles    8 months ago

What is that in the seed photo, CB?

 
 
 
CB
4.1  author  CB   replied to  Trout Giggles @4    8 months ago

Good morning, Trout G'! You, of this million dollar question! There is this really interesting show on cable STARZ, in it the lead character is 'visited' by a tech god who materializes in front of his eyes. . . in tech, of course! Here, have a look-see:

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @4.1    8 months ago

Yeah, I started watching that show. I will have to return to it because I got a little bored with it, but somebody told me to stick with it.

I got nothing to do this weekend and need a new show

 
 
 
luther28
4.1.2  luther28  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.1    8 months ago

Umbrella Academy, takes a minute or two to get into.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.3  author  CB   replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.1    8 months ago

It is a bit indulgent of getting to its point. Mr. Wednesday ("ODIN") is long on his dialogue, but he is one "heaven" of a performer! Moreover, the cast is 'spot-on' in trying to flesh out something in human society and its varied cultures, and I am desperate to watch this slow creep toward the ultimate war of the old and new cultural gods, little g.

There is a definite profound thread running through the series and if they, the writers, can continue to properly hold the tapestry together. . . we may draw something amazing from this production. Sidebar: I am not sure if this is a book or not.

What's interesting for my purposes, is I am aware of a 'tug' and 'divide' that is being wedged between religion and faith and science and reason by certain factions in society worldwide. This show, plays on these disciplines as metaphor (whether intentionally or not I have not yet decided).

 
 
 
CB
4.1.4  author  CB   replied to  luther28 @4.1.2    8 months ago

"Loved it!" Waiting. . . .

 
 
 
Nerm_L
5  Nerm_L    8 months ago

Doesn't Christianity teach that humans are the children of God?  Wasn't the overarching theme of the story of Jesus' life that the Son is of the Father; the child of God grows into a God? 

Consider the possibility that humans are intended to become God.  Just as infants explore, learn, and make mistakes as they grow into adults, humans would do the same as they grow into God.   Today mankind is exploring and learning how to create using the universe as a toy, just as adolescents play with toys.  A toddler learns the lesson of a candle flame by burning its fingers.

Don't blame mankind for trying to grow up.  IMO mankind is at the developmental stage of a six year old; there is a lot of growing and learning yet to do.  And mankind still has many lessons to learn by burning its fingers.

 
 
 
CB
5.1  author  CB   replied to  Nerm_L @5    8 months ago

Very enlightening.

However, the theme of Jesus is that God took on the form of man in order to absolve humanity of a 'function' it could not accomplish on its own behalf.

You get the comparison, in my opinion. Mankind can not be come what it is not. God is Spirit perfected. The Entity uncontaminated by any created thing. Still, more and more we see mankind is being gifted with unlocking the secrets of nature. Some of the secrets so incredibly amazing they are increasingly ineffable to put into words how creatures trapped on this planet should come to know and experience them. That is, yes, 'knowledge is increasing (Daniel 12:4)' and humanity is evolving. Into what exactly is yet to be determined.

 
 
 
WallyW
5.1.1  WallyW  replied to  CB @5.1    8 months ago
The Entity uncontaminated by any created thing.
And yet the perfect entity created an imperfect and contaminated thing...humans!
What was the point?
 
 
 
Nerm_L
5.1.2  Nerm_L  replied to  CB @5.1    8 months ago
However, the theme of Jesus is that God took on the form of man in order to absolve humanity of a 'function' it could not accomplish on its own behalf.

The death of Jesus is not notable or remarkable since all living things die.  Many theologians have tried to convince me that Jesus died to atone for my sins.  Yet I must still die to atone for the sins of Adam (as though Eve had nothing to do with it).  So, what did the life and death of Jesus really change?

Jesus is not remarkable because he lived or died.  Jesus showed mankind the next stage of development.  The spirit is not limited by death (or life); that is the next developmental stage of the Spirit perfected.  The perfected Spirit does not die but that also means the perfected Spirit does not live.  The spirit simply 'IS'.

A child will become an adult but we cannot expect a child to behave as an adult.  And a child does not understand what it is to be an adult until they grow to become an adult.  Accusing children of behaving like children states the obvious and is not enlightening.  Keep in mind that we are looking at God through child's eyes.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.3  author  CB   replied to  WallyW @5.1.1    8 months ago

Did you quote yourself? Curious.

Anyway, it is human life that terminates. Therefore, it is fleshly life which is corruptible. (Remember for us, life is in the blood.) Thus, spiritual life is eternal and we are not explained how it can 'corrupt.'

The question: Where did God get temporary and corruptible materials to make matter? The Bible does not provide an answer, and science is still 'in search of'. 

 
 
 
CB
5.1.4  author  CB   replied to  Nerm_L @5.1.2    8 months ago

On these points, I will partially add - okay. As, I do not know your background in religion (or Christianity), Nerm. (Smile.)

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.1.5  TᵢG  replied to  CB @5.1.4    8 months ago

This point, however, is certainly a profound question that applies to all Christians.

Nerm @5.1.2 - The death of Jesus is not notable or remarkable since all living things die.  Many theologians have tried to convince me that Jesus died to atone for my sins.  Yet I must still die to atone for the sins of Adam (as though Eve had nothing to do with it).  So, what did the life and death of Jesus really change?

Ultimately the Christian answer is 'atonement' - God forgave all sins and brought peace between God and man.   Of course death, disease, famine, etc. persist unchanged thus the punishment of Adam and Eve's progeny continues (including painful births).   But that is what can be evidenced.   The peace between God and man is unfalsifiable so I suppose that is the best Christian answer.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.6  author  CB   replied to  TᵢG @5.1.5    8 months ago

Earth is an Eden paradise and a paradox besides. For now, it appears humanity is Earth's steward; treasures and woes. Will this be the case forever?  Not in my opinion.

And Nerm_L, you and I can not scripturally atone for the sin of Adam; for, "the first Adam became a living being, the last Adam [that is, Jesus] a life-giving Spirit." I Corinthians 15:45.

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1.7  Krishna  replied to  CB @5.1    8 months ago
However, the theme of Jesus is that God took on the form of man in order to absolve humanity of a 'function' it could not accomplish on its own behalf.

Yes-- apparently He had a fairly low opinion of humanity...

 
 
 
CB
6  author  CB     8 months ago

American 'gods,' ood morning!

 
 
 
CB
7  author  CB     8 months ago

I am thinking about Jeff Bezo's Amazon.com. What an institution under control of a true >>titan<<.

 
 
 
CB
8  author  CB     8 months ago

The 'gods' of industry can't get no love, from their adherents!

 
 
 
Krishna
8.1  Krishna  replied to  CB @8    8 months ago
The 'gods' of industry can't get no love, from their adherents!

As a stockholder of shares of Amazon, Bezos gets a lot of love from me!

First of all, aside from the stock:  he's made quality organic food both accesible and reasonably priced-- something that was near impossible to find in the past (via Whole foods market).

Secondly, he's made many of the things I buy (non-food items) both cheaper and more convenient (via Amazon website).

And thirdly, being a part owner of the company has given me a nice financial gain :-)

Do i worship him as a god? Nope-- (sorry to disappoint you on that count). But I do feel he has made a significant positive impact on my life.

 
 
 
CB
8.1.1  author  CB   replied to  Krishna @8.1    8 months ago

This is a play on words and themes, Krishna (as with the show "American Gods").

I have an account with Amazon and I want to try getting with their whole foods products at some point to see how Amazon services the food consumer.

As you may know, Amazon.com is being labeled as the, "Mall-killer" because of its brilliance in connectivity, service, and distribution (to home "threshold"). As an aside, I will so hate to see the decimation of malls across the country, but honestly, I see the power of Amazon in my neighborhood daily. They are shipping to me and others readily! There trucks seem to be on my street more and more.

That is saying something about the power of this 'beast.'

The 'god' play comes from the imagery of doctors having the power over life and death when they make decisions with respect to their patients in grave conditions. Now then, Jeff Bezos is sitting at the apex of a worldwide system (Amazon is invested in other large countries like India, etc.). It is a global service. The expansion into other field endeavors is prolific and these enterprises position the richest man in the world to be a 'god,' a "titan,' on Earth. That is all I am hinting at.

(This does not disappoint me at all, Krishna.)

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
9  Trout Giggles    8 months ago

Cal, I'm caught up on "American Gods"...still need to watch Season 2 Epi 7 but I'm glad I watched it.

I had a hard time figuring out who Mr World is but watching the "extras" helped. I thought he was Globalization but now I know for sure.

Sure wish they would bring back Gillian Anderson as Media. I like her a lot better

 
 
 
CB
9.1  author  CB   replied to  Trout Giggles @9    8 months ago

I loved her and you just now provided me her real name: Gillian Anderson is rich in this role and I want to see more of her too. Her Marilyn Monroe portrayal is 'to die' for! Especially when she 'socked' the spit out of 'babe-God Technical Boy' 's mouth.  Loved the kiss felt across the room!

Gillian-Anderson-in-American-Gods-Episod

Yep! Mr. World is globalization. He is a big mystery to me and I miss a lot of his lines (always typing or reading something at the same time). But, the silence which precedes his arrivals demonstrate his power and position.

This story is and intersection of Mr. World seemingly trying to value (respect) the old gods who are gearing to regain their ascension. Notice it is typed as a war, a clash, coming. This is very, very, interesting!

Note to self: Start listening closer to 'Mr. World's lines. They are important to the story, I'm sure.

 
 
 
Heartland American
10  Heartland American    8 months ago

Let’s say that the God of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Moses, David, Peter, Paul, John, Martin Luther, and believers to the present is all Humanity needs to provide all of our current and future needs as well as ultimately salvation and perfection in eternal life.