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I Have A Few Questions For The 'Moderates" and "Independents" Here

  

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Via:  johnrussell  •  7 years ago  •  49 comments

I Have A Few Questions For The 'Moderates" and "Independents" Here

What is the appropriate way for Americans to process and deal with the Trump administration?

Should a special prosecutor be appointed to investigate the Trump campaign's interactions with Russian agents and officials?

Do you feel reassured by the Trump White House, or do they make you nervous about the near term future of our country?

Do you think Donald Trump is 'presidential'?

 

 


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JohnRussell
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link   seeder  JohnRussell    7 years ago

Trump , today in his tweets, is blaming everyone else for his troubles.  Do independents and moderates regret his election?

 
 
 
Jonathan P
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link   Jonathan P  replied to  JohnRussell   7 years ago

I believe that our country is somehow desensitized to this tactic by the President. The previous POTUS first blamed the POTUS before him, until he took to blaming his sitting Congress. Old news, to be expected.

I don't know whether I regret this election yet. I am waiting for the product of his legislation to make a decision.

 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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link   seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jonathan P   7 years ago

So you are a "moderate" who , as a response to the incompetence, dishonesty and chaos of the Trump administration, casts aspersions on President Obama.  Got it.

 
 
 
Jonathan P
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link   Jonathan P  replied to  JohnRussell   7 years ago

How does that feel, John?

How does it feel to hear a President do that? Doesn't it just piss you off, more than you care to be?

Welcome.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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link   seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jonathan P   7 years ago

If you believe the issues with this administration are of an equivalency with the Obama administration I would have to question your claim to "moderation".

 
 
 
Jonathan P
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link   Jonathan P  replied to  JohnRussell   7 years ago

John,

You often take to being judge/jury on where people reside on the ideological continuum.

Please keep in mind that you do that with your own eyes, and from where you stand on that continuum.

Good day.

 
 
 
Lucy
Freshman Silent
link   Lucy  replied to  JohnRussell   7 years ago

I am a republican.  It took me time to get behind Donald Trump.

I have high hopes that he will bring what this country needs--a man with a tremendously strong work ethic (no one has worked harder for years than Donald Trump) who can tell Americans what he can do from the Whitehouse.  For heavens' sakes--most Americans think hard work is offensive.  I work hard every day...  I have no days off.  You have to go to work?  Get over it.  My husband does and then comes home and sometimes helps if he's not too tired.  I appreciate that.

I think that while other people may have a strong case of GERD regarding voting for Trump, I don't.  I like the man.  No nonsense, no bull...  Accountability.  And if people within his team start letting him down?  I have no doubts he'll call them into the Oval Office and deliver that all-familiar statement:  "You're fired."

It's refreshing, actually.  And if he never gets a Nobel Peace Prize?  I will find that absolutely refreshing, too.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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link   seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Lucy   7 years ago

I like the man. No nonsense, no bull...  Accountability.

Reality has put out an APB for you.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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link   Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Lucy   7 years ago

No nonsense, no bull...

... no brain, no ethics, no morals, no charisma, no public speaking skills, no sense of honesty

I could go on and on.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    7 years ago

Do you think Donald Trump is 'presidential'?

Nope. But I do accept the fact that he is our president.    

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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link   seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   7 years ago

But I do accept the fact that he is our president. 

What does that mean?

What is the appropriate way for Americans to process and deal with the Trump administration?

Should a special prosecutor be appointed to investigate the Trump campaign's interactions with Russian agents and officials?

Do you feel reassured by the Trump White House, or do they make you nervous about the near term future of our country?

Trump , today in his tweets, is blaming everyone else for his troubles.  Do independents and moderates regret his election?

Perrie, do you believe Trump is a serial liar?

 

 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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link   Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JohnRussell   7 years ago

But I do accept the fact that he is our president.  

What does that mean?

It means we had an election and he won by the rules of our election. 

Should a special prosecutor be appointed to investigate the Trump campaign's interactions with Russian agents and officials?

If given enough reason to by the intelligence community, then yes. 

Do you feel reassured by the Trump White House, or do they make you nervous about the near term future of our country?

Yes, but because he is inexperienced and spends too much time on twitter licking his wounds. I don't agree with some of his policies but then again, I didn't with Obama either. 

Trump , today in his tweets, is blaming everyone else for his troubles.  Do independents and moderates regret his election?

Perrie, do you believe Trump is a serial liar?

I think there are very few politicians that are not serial liars, but some are better at it than others. He is not very good at it and maybe that is to our benefit. 

The major public spokesperson for President Trump , Kellyanne Conway, is a serial liar herself and a constantly dissembling propagandist.

I totally agree with that. She could play "the wicked witch of the west". Of all his picks it's her and DeVos that I have the most issue with... well and now Flynn. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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link   seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   7 years ago

Perrie, do you believe Trump is a serial liar?

I think there are very few politicians that are not serial liars, but some are better at it than others. He is not very good at it and maybe that is to our benefit.

So evidently you don't see much difference between Trump and previous political liars.

I have to say I am a little surprised.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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link   Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell   7 years ago

I always thought that George Washington was the only POTUS who wasn't a liar.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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link   Dean Moriarty  replied to  Buzz of the Orient   7 years ago

No he did too but for a good cause. 

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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link   Nowhere Man    7 years ago

The resident Trump hater is taking a poll on hate?

I guess he wants to gauge how effective he's been...

Or he's just looking for more ways to emolument his hate upon everyone else.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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link   seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Nowhere Man   7 years ago

I hear moderates all the time say "give him a chance."

These same people appear to hide their head in the sand about what is going on.

What were people from the Trump campaign doing talking with Russians before the election? Especially at a time when suspicions about Russia hacking the Democrats and Clinton was in the news.

The major public spokesperson for President Trump , Kellyanne Conway, is a serial liar herself and a constantly dissembling propagandist.

Does this fact bother any "moderates"?

 

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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link   Nowhere Man  replied to  JohnRussell   7 years ago

Right, expressing your hate is going to bring people out....

I can see why your predictions are always so wrong...

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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link   Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Nowhere Man   7 years ago

All I see above are reasonable observations.  Where are you seeing "hate", NWM?

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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link   Nowhere Man  replied to  Hal A. Lujah   7 years ago

Reasonable? and another hatemonger chimes in...

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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link   Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Nowhere Man   7 years ago

Point out the hate, to those of us unskilled in your keen observational awareness.

 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    7 years ago

NWM,

There were plenty of people who hated Obama here. Personally, I was not a particular fan. So why is it different when someone hates Trump? Again, I am not a particular fan. 

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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link   Nowhere Man  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   7 years ago

It isn't, but we do have one particular person that loves to express his hate, if I remember correctly he was also one who loudly expressed his love for the other....

No different at all.

So I don't understand the reason for the question.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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link   Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Nowhere Man   7 years ago

That wasn't my question. It was not about John, it was about those who opposed Obama with the same level of hate. I see them as pretty much the same. 

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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link   Nowhere Man  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   7 years ago

then we are in agreement

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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link   Dean Moriarty  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   7 years ago

I don't have a problem with leftists hating Trump. It would be a problem if they agreed with what he does. I never bought into all that compromise with your enemy garbage. That was just lefties trying to get the Republicans to cave into their crazy socialist demands. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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link   seeder  JohnRussell    7 years ago

Donald Trump is not remotely qualified to be president of the United States, as the world is seeing every day now.

It has nothing to do with hate.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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link   Nowhere Man  replied to  JohnRussell   7 years ago

And neither was Barrack Obama, so whats the dif?

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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link   Dean Moriarty  replied to  JohnRussell   7 years ago

We are seeing that the world does have increased confidence in our government now that the muslim leftist is gone. Consumer confidence is high as are treasury sales and the stock market has been booming. Businesses are enthusiastic with the coming tax reform and the immigration problem is finally being addressed. We are doing well and just yesterday Yellen was commenting on how good things are going interest rates should be boosted giving savers a better return on their safe investments. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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link   Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Dean Moriarty   7 years ago

We are seeing that the world does have increased confidence in our government now that the muslim leftist is gone. 

To NWM,

And there it is. That's not hate? Of course it is. Obama was not a Muslim, but that word brings fear into the hearts of many. 

I didn't like Obama.. but I would have never referred to him as a muslim. I didn't like his policies, especially internationally. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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link   Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Dean Moriarty   7 years ago

Dean, why is it that you measure everything with dollar signs?  The world is laughing at the incompetence of our leadership.  The other day, Flynn (the former National Security Advisor) was using his cell phone to light up confidential documents regarding a NK missile launch, while wait staff and who knows what country club members were milling about in an open air makeshift situation room.  Can you put a dollar amount to that?

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
Professor Quiet
link   Dean Moriarty  replied to  Hal A. Lujah   7 years ago

Were they laughing when Flynn was a key intelligence officer for Obama or was he a smart man then? 

In September 2011, Flynn was promoted to Lieutenant General and assigned to the  Office of the Director of National Intelligence . On April 17, 2012, President  Barack Obama  nominated Flynn to be the 18th  director of the Defense Intelligence Agency . [23] [24]  Flynn took command of the DIA in July 2012. [25]  In October 2012, Flynn announced plans to release his paper "VISION2020: Accelerating Change Through Integration", a broad look at how the Defense Intelligence Agency must transform to meet the national security challenges for the 21st Century. [26]  It was meant to emphasize "integration, interagency teamwork and innovation of the whole workforce, not just the technology but the people".  [27]

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Dean Moriarty   7 years ago

He was fired by Obama for insubordination.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Hal A. Lujah   7 years ago

He was fired by Obama for insubordination.

Yeah.... that was kind of a clue. And the irony is, that Obama was criticized for doing so by conservatives. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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link   Kavika   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   7 years ago

What, a double standard....Tell me it isn't true...LOL

 
 
 
Lucy
Freshman Silent
link   Lucy  replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

Kavika, you're asking for too much... (just sayin'!)

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
Professor Quiet
link   Dean Moriarty  replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

Same reason Yates was fired right?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   Kavika   replied to  Dean Moriarty   7 years ago

NO

 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
link   Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Dean Moriarty   7 years ago

Hardly.

 
 
 
Lucy
Freshman Silent
link   Lucy  replied to  Dean Moriarty   7 years ago

Dean, I definitely expect my investments to boom this year.  I have been doing well for a while....  but I do much better under Republicans.

 

 

 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   Kavika   replied to  Lucy   7 years ago

Seems that your unique in the stock picking by party, Lucy.

In fact, the market—and the economy overall—has done way better under Democratic administrations than Republican. According to Doug Short, vice president of research for the Adviser Perspectives newsletter, since 1900 the Dow Jones Industrial Average has gained an average of 8.7 percent a year under Democrats and only 5.7 percent under Republicans. Short's figures exclude dividends and aren't adjusted for inflation.

Indeed, the Dow's two best years came under Democratic administrations (Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt) and the two worst under Republicans (Hoover and George W. Bush). The single best period for the Dow under a particular president was Bill Clinton's eight years (up an annualized 16.6 percent) and the single worst was Republican Herbert Hoover's four years (down an annualized 33 percent).

Since 1930, Short's data show, GDP growth has averaged 1.8 percent under Republican administrations and 4.8 percent under Democrats.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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link   XXJefferson51  replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

Why since 1930?  I think we should start with 1920.  Of course you don't want to count Wilsons 1920 depression or the roaring 20's with its great middle class expansion.  

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   Kavika   replied to  XXJefferson51   7 years ago

Did you actually read the comment XX....The stock market data goes back to 1900. The GDP starts in 1930.

If you want, please take the GDP from 1900 until now, whatever is your pleasure go for it.

BTW, 1929 was a great year for stocks, and what happened to that great middle class expansion from the 20's in the 30's?

BTW, it wasn't my choice to start the GDP in the 1930's, it was the dates that were in the article. You might want to ask why did the GDP growth start in the 1930's.

 

 
 
 
Lucy
Freshman Silent
link   Lucy  replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

The fact is, I don't do stock picking by party.  I do a great deal of shorting--which works really well if you do know what you're doing (which, because I've read enough books on the matter, is almost second nature to me by now after 12 years of doing it).

For my long term holdings, I meet with my investment advisor once a year, in person.  He gets paid by how well my investments perform.  So it is in his best interest that I make money--because if I make money, he does too.  If I don't (or if I lose money), he doesn't make money.

It is as simple as that, Kavika.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
link   seeder  JohnRussell    7 years ago

whats the dif?

laughing dude

 
 
 
Lucy
Freshman Silent
link   Lucy    7 years ago

I am a republican.  It took me time to get behind Donald Trump.

I have high hopes that he will bring what this country needs--a man with a tremendously strong work ethic (no one has worked harder for years than Donald Trump) who can tell Americans what he can do from the Whitehouse.  For heavens' sakes--most Americans think hard work is offensive.  I work hard every day...  I have no days off.  You have to go to work?  Get over it.  My husband does and then comes home and sometimes helps if he's not too tired.  I appreciate that.

I think that while other people may have a strong case of GERD regarding voting for Trump, I don't.  I like the man.  No nonsense, no bull...  Accountability.  And if people within his team start letting him down?  I have no doubts he'll call them into the Oval Office and deliver that all-familiar statement:  "You're fired."

It's refreshing, actually.  And if he never gets a Nobel Peace Prize?  I will find that absolutely refreshing, too.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
Junior Guide
link   Nowhere Man  replied to  Lucy   7 years ago

I don't care about any of that, as long as he doesn't declare himself as the second or third greatest president in history after less than a year in office, I'll be happy.

 
 

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