Tit for Tat, How To Say Nothing And Fling Poo On The Forum!
This is not a new phenomena it happens on Every forum. A News article appears that negatively portrays a political party, politician or party supporter. Instead of discussing the article on the forum we run to google to find an opposing article of equal negativity. Birds of a feather then flock to the articles that best represent their opinions to offer nothing of substance.
Wouldn't we better suited to have discussions about the news instead of using negative news to shoe horn a chosen political narrative?
In the last few days we've seen the intellectual level of TheNewstalkers devolve into a simple Democrats are stupid or Republicans are stupid. What does this say about the partisans on this site?
Another misconception is that the site is Conservative or Liberal. This myth perpetuates the behavior. Newstalkers is a balanced. No one particular group has a monopoly of ideology or advantage on the site. This site has democrats, republicans, independents, libertarians, liberals, socialists etc.
Use your big boy and big girl words and explain to us why a News story is inaccurate or a political policy will not work. If you want an echo chamber where you can belittle people you disagree with do it in your private group or heated discussion.
Let's discuss the news.
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I'll renew my request for all arguments to be settled by dueling.
My choice of weapon, you get to choose your color.
LOL, that's cute Dulay, but I was thinking more along this line. If we're going to choose colors, I'm RED.
OUCH!
So I take it that you don't support the concept of counting coup.
The closest I can get to being 'good' with a 'hand' weapon [that doesn't go bang] is my PSC compound bow. No experience with a slicer dicer, unless you count my rapier wit...
Mano on mano, no firearms allowed.
LOL, good one Dulay.
As far as ''Counting Coup'' goes, you can use of the non bladed side of the war club. Then you would be counting coup...
I don't use a compound bow, I go with the recurve longbow.
That's gonna leave a mark.
Bow and arrow okay?
Aye! That is a sure attention grabber! (grin)
Gotta be 55lbs to bow hunt. I'm too small to pull a 55lb recurve. I almost put a permanent hitch in my get along when I tried my buddies...
I used to compete in Epee and Foil competitions when I was younger. At 5 ft 10 in tall and long legs and arms, I did pretty good. (smile)
LOL, well we can't have a hitch in your git a long...That really sounds serious...
No way Buzz...Hand to hand only.
English Broadsword, Battleaxe, or Mace's at two paces....
I have a steel tee square...
What state are you in?
That is an arbitrary limit. Our most prolific white tail bow is a 49# recurve hand made by a local bow maker. It will send the same weight arrow faster than any 55# bow I have seen. It has a very smooth release and both limbs work closely in concert together. No noticeable jar when the string returns.
Maybe I need to freshen up on the rules.
Okay, then there's no way I would ever challenge you. LOL
You win. I only duel with thumbs
For those wanting calm civil debate where any article and title from any person is welcome but the discussion must follow both basic red box rules and Enoch's 4B's on all seeds no exceptions, please consider joining 1. Public Discussion which is modeled after the nation by that name on newsvine. If you want a calm escape from politics to kick back and deal with anything but politics and heated news go to Moderate & Balanced if anywhere left of center or Fair and Balanced if you are centrist or right of center.
IMHO, it's too bad that two different forums had to be named based purely on political view.
It is too bad.
"This site has democrats, republicans, independents, libertarians, liberals, socialists etc."
And at least ONE Canadian.
Dammit! And I thought I was safe from those uber polite bastards!
You're all going to Hell. Except me and John.
Been there, Done that.
And no I didn't see you or John....
You're all going to Hell. Except me and John.
I’ll save you two a seat.
Hey...Hal....don't give them mine, OK? (grin)
Well, crud. I was hoping for Spain. And I have been to Oklahoma.
Cool! What part of OK did you go to? I once lived in Pawhuska for nearly 4 years.
I've been through Oklahoma on I-40 from the Arkansas border to the Texas border multiple times going to and from Camp Pendleton, CA. And from Joplin, MO through Tulsa to Oklahoma City to I-40 to go to CA and NV. Also, numerous trips to Tulsa Airport via Siloam Springs, AR to Tulsa.
I suppose I should check out what there is do in Oklahoma besides just drive through it.
I've always been kind of a homebody whose hobbies consisted of riding horses, hunting quail and fishing close to home in Northwest Arkansas.
One of favorite places to visit and drive around was Eureka Springs, AR. I love the hills, trees and isolation.
I lived in No Virginia from 2004 to 2008, and traveled from there to Ft Meyers FL, and to Atlanta and the Great Smokey Mtns. But, I was never in AR. I had a Cousin that lived in Lamar for many years and he loved the countryside. He grew Christmas Trees on his ranch as a hobby after he retired.
He was raised and lived most of his life in Los Angeles, and when he moved to Lamar he bought a house on a high hill. All was fine until winter came and he was not able to drive up to his house when the snow and ice was abundant. So he sold that house the next Spring and bought one on flatter ground. (grin).
I used to manage rentals in Bella Vista, AR (which is hill and hollow) and was a retirement community.
Renters were perplexed with how they were going to get in/out of their driveways in snow and ice. I told them that the locals normally stocked up on supplies and stayed home until roads were passable again.
Arkansas is too far south to get federal money for snow equipment and the roads have never been well maintained. So even though I usually had level driveways, I could rarely drive on the highways once I reached them. And it is difficult to drive more than a mile or two without encountering hills and curves.
It is just better to stay at home by the wood stove and read, play rummy or put puzzles together with the kids. LOL!
I can tell you that first winter was a real eye opener for my So Calif born and bred Cousin, where we rarely get ice or snow except in the Mountains and the high deserts. I myself had the same kind of eye opener with that kind of weather when I moved to No Virginia, with lots of snow and ice, and ice storms. Luckily, I was only 45 minutes SW of DC and in the DC Metro area, and many of the people in that area worked in DC. So the roads and highways were well plowed and maintained. But, if you got off on the really rural roads you were up a creek with out a coffee can.
I was really glad to get back to So Calif where I didn't have to contend with that kind of weather, but, I did miss the beautiful scenery and Skyline Drive in the Fall. I was less than an hour drive from Shenandoah Valley and Mtns. I did a lot of research on my Maternal Cherokee ancestors who were from that called that area their homeland.
You two would love it in Vermont, thy have exterior doors on the second floors of houses for when winter comes.
Actually Vermont isn't the only state like that... all of the northern New England states do as do most of the rocky mountain states.....
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I registered here a while before NV shut down but didn't actually make the move until NV went dark. I like the moderation, and it's apparent consistency. A couple of things I see that I saw on NV that gives me pause? "Liberals", and the use of that word constantly to point out anyone that doesn't agree with what a conservative says.... Not everyone is a liberal, not everyone that disagrees with 'you' is a liberal, and using the term as a racial slur/bigoted term really does get tiring. I am many things, a liberal isn't one of them. I wish I WAS more liberal, but it's just not me. I have been told by people that I am, "socially liberal, fiscally conservative, right leaning democrat". I suppose that's fairly close. I see that there are some very good posters here from NV, (too many to name), and of course, there are some hard core trolls from the right here as well. Earlier today one of them singled me out and attacked me citing, "well on NV you..................." blah blah blah. I had hoped that coming here, things like that would be left in the past. Apparently, I was wrong. I didn't come here to rehash old problems from a now dead blog. My advice to those old detractors? If you want to debate me, fine, I am happy to do so, if you want to attack me because you just don't like me? Save it, you are wasting my time and yours. Move on, get over it.
What we have here are right wingers Comment removed policy [ph] that are passive aggressive instigators. We almost never saw this tactic here before these new members. They constantly complain about some grievance or other they have about other commenters here, aka "the liberals" . This tactic is VERY obvious, I saw it burgeoning weeks ago, and the main issue now is if the moderators will see it and discourage it.
That is only your own opinion, John. Your continuing to throw daggers at anyone and everyone you disagree with is also what causes a lot of contention here on NT. And stop trying to blame it all on the newcomers, there were/are plenty of people here on NT long before the newcomers moved over that made the same kind of political rhetoric and divisive taunts, including yourself.
And give the Moderators the credit they truly deserve on how to Moderate this site. Just because they don't do it to your personal liking does not mean they are not doing their job fairly and correctly. Perrie has given a Grace period here for the newcomers to adjust to the new site. When that Grace period is up, then they will learn how they are expected to behave here if they continue bad behavior.
No one here on NT is here to please only you and agree to everything you think and believe, no matter how many times and loud you complain.
Just my own 2 cents worth
Who does all the whining to the moderators on the forum?
A couple of things I see that I saw on NV that gives me pause? "Liberals", and the use of that word constantly to point out anyone that doesn't agree with what a conservative says....
That is from Mr. Frost and he is absolutely right.
Raven I hardly ever seed an article that says "conservatives are like this " or "conservatives are like that" .
We have a "conservative" here who does that multiple times a day, 365 days a year, about "the left" and some of these new guys appear to be following suit.
Take your complaints to them. All I am doing is telling the damn truth.
Yeah, youre right, I dont like people who seed fake news crap and carry on bizarre vendettas over people who are no longer in power.
They can't defend the pos we have in office so they have to stroll down memory lane all day long.
John, the difference is that we don't mind more moderates and liberals here. They are an upgrade to the site. We don't care what they seed or if they respectfully participate on our seeds. We view more speech as a solution not a problem. The new progressives and liberals don't engage in attempted content control or complain about what the conservatives seed. Your endless attempts to limit content of how much or what other members opposed to your pov can seed and complaining about the presence of the new conservatives from the vine, my old friends gets really old.
I am sure you are speaking for yourself.
It's perfectly fine to compare and contrast. Trump gets a lot of grief and negative comment, both here and on the now extinct NV. It's only fair to point out the sins of commission and omission that the left wing is guilty of. That includes their ex and current "leaders"
I don't believe NT has an "ignore" feature to block out the worse offenders. It would be nice to have one.
I have my own 'ignore button'. When I find someone or something offensive I just ignore them/it and move on. No muss, or fuss, or flies.
E.A Do Bigots have more trouble activating that " button"?
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That personal ignore button comes in handy
Indeed it does. However, even if there is an ignore button I am not one to use it. I just ignore those who are not interested in having viable, civil and respectful discussion or conversation, and only want to assume that I do not have the brains or the right not to adhere to their own way of thinking.
I will agree that not everyone has that kind of patience and will endlessly respond to those types and give them the endless platform to promote their own agenda. Which is usually merely to disrupt and divide.
However, when one becomes accustomed to relying on such features then I can understand why it would be a big loss to them.
Nope...I agree with SO3. I welcome all new members, no matter what their political preference. They are just as entitled to their own preference as you are to yours, John. Just because you can't tolerate those who think differently than you do is no cause to put them in a unfavorable light.
For me, as long as they present their comments in a civil, respectful and tolerant manner, I have not problem. If they can't do that here on NT, they will soon find they are going to be Moderated. They will soon learn that NT will not become another NV. You and I both know that Perrie and the majority of NT members will not allow that to happen. And if they can't take being Moderated for their unwarranted behavior they are free to leave. No one is holding a gun to their heads to force them to remain a member here on NT.
It is very unfair and uncalled for that you continue to denigrate new members for their own political preferences if they don't meet your personal approval.
Just my opinion.
"Liberals", and the use of that word constantly to point out anyone that doesn't agree with what a conservative says....
If you think "liberal" is a slur, maybe you should reexamine your political philosophy.
When the word is used in a denigrating and derogatory manner, yes, it is a slur and insulting. That you don't think so is your right, but, others have the the right to consider it as such when used on such a manner.
Being called a liberal is fighting words where I come from.
I feel the same way when the conservatives do it.
The fact is, I feel that way on both sides. The endless denigrating and derogatory terms used on both sides is disgusting and totally unnecessary for adult conversations. And IMHO, those who revel in using them to inflame and insult others is totally uncalled for and less than Kindergarten behavior, and they should look for a site where their toddler name calling would be a better fit.
While I recognize that many use those terms because they somehow see themselves superior to others, and anyone who does not agree with their own thinking, beliefs or POV, many also use them mainly to create divisiveness and and a hostile environment, and are not at all interested in engaging in civil and respectful dialog here.
However, no matter how hard they may try, NT will never become NV, and the sooner they learn that fact and clean up their act the better off we will all be.
Just my opinion. But, I don't allow anyone to use those terms when addressing their comments to me if they wish to engage in discussion or conversation with me. And that is my right. What they do with others is on them.