Breitbart Breathlessly Discovers That Reporters Urged Moore Accuser To Come Forward
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/11/12/exclusive-mother-roy-moore-accuser-washington-post-reporters-convinced-daughter-go-public/
EXCLUSIVE – Mother of Roy Moore Accuser: Washington Post Reporters Convinced My Daughter to Go Public
Birmingham, ALABAMA — The mother of Leigh Corfman, who says that Alabama Senatorial Candidate Roy Moore tried to engage in a sexual encounter with her when she was 14, told Breitbart News that the Washington Post worked to convince her daughter to give an interview about the allegations against Moore.
Speaking by phone to Breitbart News on Saturday, Corfman’s mother, Nancy Wells, 71, further stated that her daughter would not have come forward if it weren’t for The Post reporter’s alleged actions.
Corfman went public with her accusations against Moore in a Washington Post interview published last week in which she alleged that Moore attempted to initiate sexual contact with her in 1979 when she was 14. Three other women between the ages of 16 and 18 claim that when Moore was in his 30s, he attempted to court them or that he dated them. The current age of consent in Alabama is 16.
Moore has strongly denied the accusations. He has questioned the timing of The Post ’s story, which was dropped mere weeks before the December 12 election.
Corfman’s mother, Wells, told Breitbart News that reporters for the Washington Post convinced her daughter to give them an interview.
“She did not go to them,” said Wells. “They called her.”
“They tried to convince her to do it?” this reporter asked.
“Yes,” replied Wells, matter-of-factly.
Wells was asked about Corfman’s motivations for going public. “It wasn’t done for politics, you know,” Wells replied. “It was done for personal reasons. And it wouldn’t have been done if the reporters hadn’t contacted my daughter.”
In the Academy Award winning movie Spotlight, we learn that reporters from the Boston Globe had to convince victims of the Catholic priest child sex abuse to come forward. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a reporter CONVINCING a victim to make their story public. It happens all the time in controversial cases.
Lol, No nothing wrong with it especially after you've endorsed the other candidate. I never thought I'd see you seed anything from Breitbart...Does that mean it's ok to use their articles now? BTW the Post sort of admitted to what they did. Even if neither publication reported it, I would have assumed that is exactly how it went down.
Thanks for the article
Like I said, there is nothing wrong or unethical about a reporter convincing a witness to come forward. I guess that makes Breitbart a bunch of idiots , again.
The Post has lost all credibility. In this case releasing the story after Moore got nominated and a month before the election is highly unethical - especially after the Post encouraged the women to come forward.
This is kind of related. I was listening to Aly Raisman Sunday night on "60 Minutes". She made a very interesting statement. She said that it was only after she heard other women charge the team doctor with various sexual misconduct, that she thought back and realized, ya that happened to her too. I'm still not sure what she meant. Wasn't she sure?
Anyone know what she meant?
Actually, it's only 'kind of related' if you listen to what Moore said to Hannity. He wasn't sure and couldn't remember about a whole hell of a lot.
"Kind of" means "kind of"
As for what Moore told Hannity - he neither confirmed nor denied what the women are charging him with. "Kind of" makes you want to believe the women. That still leaves my question about Aly Raisman. That question is valid for all.
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I'll give my thoughts. Back in the day men who made girls uncomfortable weren't called out. The girls were told 'oh, he's just teasing' or something along those lines. Get older and you start getting leers and unwanted attention that gets more sexual. And it goes on for quite a while. These are all different people, not just one. In the evangelical world, young girls are also groomed to obey and get blamed for everything. Very interesting article by a woman who lived in that world growing up in the LA Times the other day about how Moore's actions are totally in line with those beliefs. So getting back to the accuser, you have to go back to a couple of months ago when Weinstein broke, and the dam immediately burst in all parts of life as women decided enough was enough. And it brings back memories to us older women. It is pretty cut and dried, and it most certainly is bigger than Roy Moore, so trying to make this about politics is disingenuous. Not to say there aren't people waiting to take advantage, but that too happens in all walks of life, with all the guys currently in deep shit. Almost all women know. Even if some don't want to.
But I didn't post it - John Russel posted it!
I wish you could have been more explicit but Ok.
I always thought if someone sexually molested someone, they'd be so traumatized, the victim would know it - no uncertainty about what happened.
It means I didn’t give a shit about it until I heard that you did so now let’s all be upset about it together. Herd mentality.
Plausible.
Just wondering why women would wait so long or in her case, she wasn't sure what happened to her. I thought it odd
I would think so, also.
OMG, my life has been ruined for 4o years. Isn't that ridiculous?
I would think so...I suppose it would help if some reporter from the Washington Post helped them relive it. I always want women to speak up, but I just don't get the silence for all those years and then making allegations on the verge of an election that could leave the US Senate one vote away from having Chuck Schumer as Majority leader.
Another liberal thing. Like the "metoo march". Give me a break! They have no individuality. Metoo, metoo, metoo! I chose my stand when it happened to me. I didn't need others. The SOB got what he deserved. I didn't need substantiation to know he was wrong. There were no bands playing, no marches, no media coverage....just plain o justice.
This can be a learning moment for you then. Because it makes perfect sense to me. Its brought up all kinds of things that happened in the past I hadn't thought about in years. I'm afraid a lot of men don't understand yet, but this won't be going away, so the sooner they do get it the better for everyone, including them.
If you listen to the Hannity 'interview' it took him two segments to 'lead' Moore into making even a partial denial. He worded his answers VERY carefully and when he made his denial in a speech, he used the term 'sexual misconduct'. Anyone who has read the pertinent statutes from Alabama will recognize why he used that term.
I don't WANT to 'believe the women', their testimony MADE me believe them. Today's news conference and two other stories that I read online written by his co-workers MADE me believe the women.
What makes you WANT to believe Roy Moore?
Your question about Aly Raisman is merely a deflection, off topic and therefore irrelevant.
Oh and BTFW, if THAT is ALL you got from that interview, I'm not surprised that you fail to believe any women about abuse.
Some women lack backbone and need the safety of others to do anything. My wife isn’t one of them. When she was a teenager, a man broke into her house while her parents were out. She was on the phone with her boyfriend at the time so she put the phone down when she heard a noise and went to investigate.
The man tried to rape her, her boyfriend could hear her screaming over the phone, so he rushed over to her house (maybe 10-15 minutes away). She’s much stronger than she looks. She put up such a struggle that the man was having trouble overpowering her and she was still fighting him when her boyfriend arrived. The guy ran off. Yes, it bothers her to this day and she’s afraid to be in the house alone unless she has all the lights on, an ADT, and my video camera system. She’s just careful, not blubbering about it for 40 years.
That's not why this is happening. It's not for any glory, its to stop something that's been going on forever. No need to diminish the claims of women (including republican voter for Trump). Many people knew about Moore, by the way, this isn't something coming out of thin air. And the reason all this is happening is because the dam has burst. After Weinstein the chips have fallen. Why would you defend this guy, why would you not believe the women? Read their story, especially the one that just came forward. And read about some of Moore's creepy behavior towards teen girls.
You really don't get it do you? This isn't even about a break in attempted rape. Good for your daughter, she was lucky. Others try the same and aren't so lucky. Meantime young girls are continually exposed to creeps who embarrass and harass them. Its not always touching either, it comes in all forms, verbal, hissing, weird noises. I'm nothing special in the looks department and dealt with it a lot. Toughed it out - happened here, happened in Europe, its a worldwide thing. But ignorance isn't an excuse. You think you know, but your comments show you don't. Its laughable to think YOU think if women just told on the perp it would be taken care of fairly.
It was your comment to the article that made me put that up, I was trying to inform you that Breitbart isn't that honest in reporting, most of it is fake news.
You don’t get it. On the one hand, women claim to be a match for men (in every job and activity up to and including an MMA fight) and on the other, they are so weak that they can’t get out the passenger door of a car to avoid groping and then cry about the incident for 40 years. Either you’re a match for a man or you aren’t. Pick one. If women are a match for a man, then match him and get out the car or admit that women aren’t the match they claim to be
Big damn deal. Walk with a man and I doubt you’d get the same reaction or walk by yourself and “tough out” being “admired” by rifraff. If they were screaming “get that ugly bitch off the street”, then you’d have something to really complain about. Lol. My wife has dealt with catcalls all her life and thinks nothing of it whether she’s here or in Europe or elsewhere. Grow a thicker skin.
If nothing would be done about it, then what’s the point of waiting 40 years to say it?
False charges brought 40 years after the fact can be equally damaging because it deprives a person of a meaningful defense. If you say too bad because he deserves it, then I say too bad for her because she she should have said something sooner.
Has he been proven guilty?
I have never followed a lynch crowd in my life and I won't start now.
Just like I told a close friend of mine the other day at lunch. She said, oh, yes, it's true. I said, is there any proof? She said, No, but some people really are saying this. I said, then, it is all gossip and I don't want any part of it.
It could have come out at any time in 40 years but it’s coming out now for the express purpose of damaging Moore’s campaign. The Post started it to benefit it’s candidate, Jones, and then waited to see if there'd be a pile on. It’s ridiculously late to bring these kinds of allegations but each one should be examined (if you want to take them seriously) not just lump them all together to say they must all be true because there’s more than one of them.
Mags asked about the claim that the girl said she arranged her rendezvous with Moore from her bedroom but her mother said she had no phone in there.
The most recent accuser says Moore assaulted her in his car while she was waiting for her boyfriend. What does the boyfriend say?
Another said Moore tried to date her as a teenager. So what? if she’s above the age of consent, then either go out with him or decline.
Bingo!!
Moore knows the girl is waiting for her boyfriend and assaults her? Unbelievable! So, Moore, is not even concerned about the boyfriend showing up during the assault?
A victim is not always so readily recognizable. A little girl can be molested and not even realize she's being molested, but that doesn't mean it fucks her up for life
We have only Corfman's claim that she voted for Trump. When I see legitimate verification of her voting record, I'll believe her on this point.
On the other hand, we know that Debbie Wesson Gibson has had deep ties to the DNC and Joe Biden as well as campaigning for/donating to Obama and Hillary Clinton. She is also a Doug Jones supporter. Here's an article that shows her political bent on her now-defunct Facebook page:
So....I should bringing my husband with me every where I go because then I won't be leered at or have suggestive comments tossed my way? Won't have men touching me?
I don't live in Saudi Arabia and neither do you. Men need to learn that it's not ok to treat women any way they want to. Riffraff or classy, it matters not
Good point. If I walked up on him assaulting my girlfriend in his car, he’s going to hell and I’m going to prison! At the very least, he and his car are going to require dent repair. Moore would know that so I’m suspicious of the story.
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Roy Moore simply cannot be a U.S. Senator . Even if his party and many of its adherents still think it possible, it is unthinkable -- for his state, and his country.
Last week, four women described Moore's unseemly taste for dating high school girls when he was a single man in his 30s. Another described what can only be seen as a sexual assault on her when she was 14. In a radio interview last week, Moore himself suggested that he may have dated teenage women during his 30s, though he vehemently denied the claims made by these women.
Today, even as those women face disgusting attacks on their motives and credibility , a fifth brave Alabama woman stepped forward and described how when she was 16, Moore violently sexually assaulted her in his car. She said she felt it to be an attempted rape, and that it ended with her bruised from either falling from or being pushed from the car, with Moore warning her he was a powerful man and that no one would believe her if she told anyone.
The seriousness of these incidents cannot be overstated. They should not be parsed with talk of statutes of limitations or whether proof exists. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is a consideration for the courtroom, not the ballot box. When choosing our representative before the rest of the world, character matters.
Nor should these women's statements be diminished because the incidents are decades old . If readers objectively look at the reality of life for sex assault victims - at the public doubt and vitriol they face - they'll understand why girls and women do not come forward readily, or early.
And sadly, the reactions of many over the past several days support modern understanding of women's reluctance to voice these things. They stayed quiet while Moore ascended in local and state politics, but they have spoken out as he seems on the verge of attaining national office . For that, Alabama and America owe them respect and appreciation.
We believe these women.
As a news organization, we have independently investigated as many of these claims as possible and have found no reason to doubt the accounts outlined in the Washington Post. If anything, the stories we've heard in Etowah County have only further corroborated them.
In our view, Moore has already revealed himself as grossly unfit to be a U.S. Senator before these revelations.
He has been twice-removed from statewide office for his defiance of the law. His views on women's rights, same-sex marriage and religious freedom no longer reflect the majority of Alabamians. And they are incompatible with the governance of this country. He has said that the murderous 9/11 attacks on America and the tragic school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut may have been God's will because America had sinned.
Investigations into Moore's nonprofit the Foundation of Moral Law, have revealed a man who champions himself above all else. Above Alabamians. And, yes, above God. Moore has used his platform to personally enrich himself and his family and to pursue his own, radical agenda.
As each day passes, more Republicans, including Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Sen. Lindsay Graham, Louisiana's Senator Bill Cassidy, and many others, have stated Roy Moore simply cannot be a U.S. Senator.
It's time that he and his party read the writing on the wall: His candidacy is over. His true character has been revealed. It's time for the GOP to remove its official support.
And since he and his party can't assure it, the voters of Alabama must.
Yeah well, it can also be a damn slippery slope can't it? I supported a girlfriend once with counseling on some similar sort of stuff. It started during ACOA counseling that i went to with her. At the base of it the ACOA counseling was great for both of us and helped uncover some pretty bad things that did happen to her at an early age but it ultimately slipped down that slope.
She got to point that everything bad that she did or happened in her life was someone else's fault. It started out great but devolved into something very healthy in the end. It was more or less her excuse to do whatever she wanted. It gave her a ready scapegoat for all bad behavior. I had to get out of that relationship as she she was trying to drag me into the same bottomless pit.
If the allegations on Moore are true then he deserves everything many of you are trying to hang him with but there is a reason we have an "innocent until proven guilty" standard in our legal system.
Not all allegations are true. People can and do lie all the time. Many times with nefarious intent.
The newest accuser has a high priced attorney who stood beside her as she blubbered for the cameras. It looks like she’s setting up a shakedown . . . pay me some money or else I’ll sue you.
Your choice.
And no Washington Post!
never mind
Maybe your girlfriend had that kind of personality that really didn't come out until someone gave her "permission" to act on.
It's too bad she didn't use the counseling for good
The 5th one - redhead? Yeah, I saw it. A choked up voice but no tears as she kept dabbing her eyes. That's ambulance chaser Gloria Allred with her.
Sadly, he didn’t get the only girl like that and some of them could be accusers in this case.
The Moore pile on has attracted vultures.
I'm all for men standing up for women and they have to set an example here. I am glad (on the one hand) that many Republican congressmen have asked more to step aside. It is a new precedent, one we didn't see in the time of Bill Clinton.
Did you smash your Keurig?
Whenever Allred and her equally disgusting daughter, Lisa Bloom, zoom in for the kill, it's easy to see that there's something nasty going on.
Hillary blew off all the allegations against her as basically unproven gossip. Moore should do the same thing.
It started that way .... my point was that this sort of thing can get damn complicated. Rushing to judgement being a mistake is about the only right answer there is right now.
Yep
And we see how that worked out for her.
I don't. Remove him from the election and provided that seat goes to a Republican, i'm more than satisfied.
Your question about Aly Raisman is merely a deflection, off topic and therefore irrelevant.
Anything that relates to an understanding of women waiting almost 40 years to make such an allegation IS relevant
Yeah, she won the popular vote and could have won the election. Moore has nothing to lose that he wouldn’t lose anyway by withdrawing.
False charges should carry the same punishment that the alleged crime would and yes as time goes by the accused has little or no chance of proving innocence and that would be what it is. Multiple victims, many community people with the same recollections about the predatory nature of one guy, too much in common to be a fabrication to hamper his bid. What would have been the scenario if your wife's attacker was the chief of police, Governor, Supreme Court Justice? Would the story disappear? Moore was a powerful and connected official that could have caused great harm to the girls (as far as we know it is only girls to date) and their families. Look at what he is attempting even with serious evidence piling up, he is threatening to sue everyone.
I don't have one of those. And, if I did, I still wouldn't destroy it.
40 years ago, he was an Asst DA.....not too powerful.
Question....how come men don't bring allegations up about women who grope them?
and where did you get that idea?
No, thank you, on your grinding, etc. I buy Maxwell House, pour water in, coffee in and I am ready to go!
E.A Same reason that we have those in this Forum, that are proud to announce that they have been part of a Paedophile act when SHE was 28 and they were 17, is that the " New Norm to be a COUGAR " what Sickos!!!
She never filed charges and therefore is subject to penalty. All Moore could do is sue her for defamation if she has a lot to ois in that makes a suit worthwhile.
There is no proof whatsoever of his “predatory” behavior.
Of course it wouldn’t just disappear.
No evidence has been put forward at all. It’s an unsubstantiated allegation. Gossip.
Sounds like a Taliban solution. Or a Saudi solution. You are basically making our points. You diminish women's experiences and seem to want us to be happy to get fucking catcalls and harassment. How republicanly-christian-talibany of you. I can't wait for the younger generation of women to teach you a thing or two. I do have to ask how you would feel about a daughter being harassed by asshole men all the time. It actually changes who you are when you are young and it happens. Is your advice to young women the same thing I heard when I was young? It sure the fuck sounds like it.
It’s just learning to deal with things you can’t control.
They can’t even get out of the car.
Oh please, women walking alone have been dealing with this forever. Plenty take it in stride; some retort in kind. Grow the fuck up.
Thank-you lib50. I couldn't reply to him because it would have come out full of snark, bitterness, and plain old nasty
When I was a young woman working in downtown N.O. we would walk to lunch and there might be some construction workers and they would give out a whistle or a hey ....we would smile and wave to them. It was nothing. No harm was intended.
Not all attention is meant to be vile nor harmful. I liked the young world I lived in. Not today's world where people are looking for the worst. My Mother taught us what was proper and improper.
Because you were a lady and took it in stride. However, if you had scowled at them with that “somebody needs to teach you a lesson” look, they might have descended into the kind of vulgarity that would make you run. Instead of younger women trying to teach men a lesson, maybe they should be getting a lesson from a real lady like you.
I hope that I've taught my son to teach women with respect so that he never earns that scowl because he couldn't mind his manners
First hand accounts carry weight especially when they ar corroborated by different people from different walks of life. I guess you can stick to the mantra that it means nothing like any other evidence.
I hope so too but we don’t all grow up with the same manners. There are men who show respect in the manner they are accustomed to receiving it themselves. When you intersect with them, you have to deal with it.
The only first hand account you have is the accusation itself and it hasn’t been corroborated by anybody since there were no witnesses.
Good to know. So when I run into assholes it's ok to treat them like assholes especially if I was minding my own damn business
Thank you.
A bit interesting to say the least......my son went grocery shopping with me a few days ago. A lady was having difficulty with the grocery cart in the parking lot and my son said....Mom, do you think I can go help? I said, sure, that would good. He said, I don't know the way things are today you never know!
It’s ok by me, if you can handle the consequences and I don’t have to see you blubbering about it 40 years later.
We need an emoticon that just screams "Jesus H Christ!"
I know, right? Why is everyone blaming Moore when we know that there were minors involved too? Can't they take responsibility for wearing a dress shorter than ankle length or having their blouse unbuttoned at the top?
It seems to me those girls were leading him on.
Given that Moore is now threatening to sue his accusers it makes sense for the woman to have good legal representation.
Really? You think so?
"younger generation of women to teach you a thing or two"
Wait a minute - are you talking about today's Millennials, the Selfie lovin', "Me-me-me-me", "Give-me, give-me, give-me", "look-at-me, look-at-me", "is my butt big enough", "how much bigger can I get my lips to look", "I can text 1,000 words a minute and not say shit" Millennials???
That younger generation of women????
Too bad the popular vote is just that, popular. The political equivalent of Homecoming King / Queen.
And thankfully she didn't. I guess that's what happens when 40 years of lying and mishandling classified information comes back to bite you in the ass.
That is true. Especially when we take into consideration the doubt that exists about the accuser(s) taking money to "come forward".
If it’s normal for one man to “creep” on another, then hell yes it’s completely normal for a man to date a younger woman as long as she’s at or above the age of consent. She can date whomever she likes and any man is free to date her.
Al.com has had some interesting coverage of the investigation they undertook in Etowah County. Among other things they found that Moore had essentially been banned from the Gadsden Mall because he was stalking young girls.
Love it!
Yeah right, they’re banning the local DA from the mall because he engaged in legal behavior. This is just stupid.
I said the same thing to my husband. Her emotions seemed fake and no real tears. IMO, it looked as if she was reading her statement so she could remember what she was supposed to say.
I read an article that said it is too late to remove his name from the ballot in Alabama.
Aren't there reports of the WaPo reporter offering money to women who would say they were assaulted by Moore?
I saw Moore had threatened to sue the WaPo, but I haven't seen reports of him threatening to sue the individuals.
and this from the man who uses Yoda as his avatar
I have, pumpkin, its the reason I'm here. Telling you that we AREN'T going to 'take it in stride'. What the FUCK do you think happens to girls when they do that? You expect YOUR DAUGHTER to deal with lifetime sexual harassment because 'they've been dealing with it forever'? What the FUCK? Deal with THIS shit forever, women are DONE with it now. We didn't speak out when we were kids or younger but we are fucking doing it NOW. It is NOT going away. The more you go down this path, the worse it will get, you will not be stopping this movement.
When you have lived in my shoes for 55 years, we'll discuss.
Be sure to give the Catholic cult your legal advice. I don't think that's an argument they used to avoid responsibility for enabling and covering up the rape of children.
There's one fake report from an anonymous twitter account and "reported" by a right-wing blog. One would have to be quite gullible to give that any credence.
Well, there's gullible and then there's gullible. I don't know who is telling the truth and who is lying. Want me to let you in on a little secret? Neither do you.
The court of public opinion is the only thing going on here. You must admit the timing is perfect to benefit the WaPo's endorsed candidate, don't you think?
Anyone ever heard of Hugh Hefner? He was ancient and still dating woman younger than his grandchildren........
Did he have children, much less grandchildren? I also thought he never married so they would all have been illegitimate children. But to your point, it looks like you bought the entire Hefner mythology. BTW, many women also accused him of sexual crimes so thanks for comparing Moore to him....it's a good match.
I hope you told him "don't be silly and go help the woman."
So it's okay in your book to rape them, then?
I hope you are as disgusted as me by the turn this convo has taken
I don't know what millennial women you know but the ones I know have careers and don't have time for that silliness.
Where did he say that? Nowhere!
I didn't say anything about being silly because he wasn't.
That's the way it is today. He helped her!
From the hate-filled vitriol with which he stereotyped all millennial women.
I spoke out. And, his ass went out the door!
Always the poor me!
Once again, you are way out in left field. Hang on, i'll get you a mitt and hit you some fly balls to shag .....
I'm sure many here won't like the following but this has been my experience with Millennials I've been hiring and firing for a long time now and generally speaking i have found the Millennial generation to be much higher maintenance than previous ones.
Fewer seek leadership positions but all seem to want to make leadership money. Few understand that 40 hours pay means 40 hours of actual work. Not 39.5 or less. Many have trouble taking direction they don't like and will piss and moan and try to subvert the direction from the inside when if they really don't like it they can simply move on to another job like we always did.
Again, as noted this a generalization because i've hired some fantastic Millennial as well. Several are working for us right now and doing a great job.
I think you can substitute baby boomer for millennial and get the same results.
I don't how old you are, but I'm on the back end of the baby boomer generation. For years, we were told that we were lazy, took every thing for granted, wanted immediate gratification. Now that we have birthed and raised the millennials and some gen xers we are telling them the same thing we were told.
That's SOP. I would not allow a male doctor to examine unless there was a female in the room
The heck whether they like it or not. They speak their minds on here.
Women of today don't even know what it was like for the real women of yesterday. You know, the ones who birthed babies and worked in the fields with their husbands. You know the ones that protested for our right to vote. The ones who worked in factories and the ones who took over a man's job when the men were fighting for our country.
They need to grow up and get a pair!
with the remarks you made here what are you saying, is it, "Women should accept that getting raped and, sexual harassment is a way of life and, they should just accept it?"
You can find Sparty's generalizations about millennials for every younger generation by an older one as far back in time as one can go. My GenYer kids are already doing it with GenZers.
You do know that people a generation older than you said the same thing about you, right?
I pretty much live in a perpetual state of disgust for these people.
Thank you, Clayton Williams , for your special brand of insight. It's good to know. From now on, I'll arrive at my destination a few hours early so I can open a bit of thoughtful dialogue with the men I might pass during my walk from a parking lot into an office building, so I may learn what responsive behavior they have, or have not, been accustomed to receiving when they unleash an unwarranted and disgusting sexual diatribe against any female previously unfortunate enough to catch their collective eye.
I disagree.
I'm old enough to have witnessed both Kennedy assassinations and have dealt with both generations. True, i've probably dealt with more generations after boomers but there are distinct differences. I don't expect agreement here with those that have their minds made up but my opinion is born on experience and it is what it is.
You can't change past experience.
Wow, you are going off the deep end~
Did I even suggest that? Absolutely, not!
man that ruler stings
Not really. My Mother was a generation ahead of me and I never heard her say that.
Have you hired people from the generation before you? If you have, what are their work ethics? You can honestly say you have never seen a lazy WWII generation or baby boomer? Because I have.
So your posit is that the GOP and their electorate should not be held responsible for putting Moore in his elevated position?
Then please explain how Aly Raisman's experience, in THIS decade, while a cloistered elite athlete, can enlighten our understanding of a southern teenage girls experiences 40 years ago. Please elaborate...
BTFW, if you're actually interested in the issue, there are a plethora of papers about abuse victims 'waiting' decades [or a lifetime] to report abuse. Somehow I doubt you'll be rushing to google to research those studies...
The lack of empathy in your comments continues to surprise me...
Please show me where, in MY comment, that it was OK to rape a millennial.
SHOW ME.
not me
Galen - that is friggin' ludicrous - where did your mind wander to come up with that?
Yeah - did 16 years as Labor Relations Director/Personnel Manager in the foundry industry in the '70's/80's. I guess our industry was different 'cause everyone who applied WANTED a job and, in the foundry, you definitely worked your butt off. People I hired were born in the 30's/40's/50's and, again, they all WANTED to work.
Best and most accurate description of Donald Trump EVER!
Apparently that's exactly what the mall management did to that assistant DA. There's lots of good stuff at this link:
If you’re talking about cat calling (which is what I was talking about), then I honestly don’t give a rats ass what you do. You can take it in stride or march up and down the street in a pussy hat or whirl like a dervish or burst into flames. It makes absolutely no difference to me whatsoever.
The most telling thing about the link is that it says Moore’s banning from the mall is a rumor. He can’t be banned unless he’s doing something illegal or improper and checking out girls above the age of consent is neither.
Let's just say I trust real journalists far more than a blog with a bad reputation for spreading hoaxes. I also trust the claims made by the women given all the contemporaneous support they have for those claims. Apparently most Senate Republicans feel the same way.
Bit all that counts is what the people of Alabama think.
How so? Why is it unethical to expose a Senate candidate as a pedophile if the story is true? Just days before the Presidential election Jim Comey released a statement making it public the Hillary Clinton email investigation had to be reopened though he kept secret the fact that the Trump campaign was under investigation at the time for their involvement with Russia in the release of illegally obtained private citizen emails. Was that also unethical? Or was that okay because it was against Democrats?
No I don't and precisely for the reasons I stated - that there were no contemporaneous claims told to other people. Moreover the person who made the most serious claim retracted it when she was under oath. At the same time I think male behavior which was accepted in Arkansas 30+ years ago wouldn't be tolerated by women today, so I do think its possible and even likely that Bill engaged in sexual harassment.
It's clear that lots of women were interested in Bill and he obviously has had a number of consensual affairs and likes women a lot. I have a very hard time imagining the same about Roy and based on some of his rulings he doesn't seem to like women very much.
Actually that's just one line from the article. The cop who knew the mall security guard says that Moore was banned, and an independent journalist in the area reports that her source also said he was banned. The former security guard refuses to say one way or another today, but that in itself speaks volumes.
You should read the entire article before you comment.
You should understand what you read before you post. It says there was no official ban only a rumor of one. The cop, security guard, and journalist have no evidence of an actual ban so it’s still nothing more than a rumor. I’m not surprised that the security guard isn’t saying anything one way or another today because he’d get himself or the mall sued for slander. So, yes, keeping his mouth shut speaks volumes. There is no evidence that Moore was removed from the mall or ever told to stay off the premises. This is all total bullshit.
Because there’s no evidence that it’s true so it’s just a smear tactic.
Comey told Congress that the investigation was closed. He was specifically asked whether he would inform congress if that changed and he said yes. It changed and he informed congress as he said he would do. If he hadn’t done that he, would have misled Congress. Hillary and the democrats would have no problem misleading congress but Comey was trying to be ethical. He made no promise about Trump nor was he asked for one.
Sister - not funny.
They are spoiled and complain a lot about very little. They would drown in a thimble full of water.
Apparently the mall employees disagree with your interpretation:
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Regardless of whether Moore was officially banned from the mall (and it does seem that he was), the other significant factor is that multiple employees at different stores were warned about Moore and his predatory interest in young teen girls.
He wasn’t officially banned because they had no grounds to ban him. How about this? Instead of exploring rumors, get an affidavit from the mall owners that says “Roy Moore was banned from the property effective (date) because we viewed him as a predator of teens simply because he exercised his right to freely associate with teenage girls over the age of consent. We further told every store and mall employee that he is banned as a predator.” Without that statement or one like it, the allegation that he was banned is a rumor and nothing more. And if they provide it, Moore can sue them for defamation.
LOL.
That hoax has already been exposed:
Did a Woman Say the Washington Post Offered Her $1,000 to Accuse Roy Moore of Sexual Abuse?
Fact checkers say it never happened.
That's what the left wing mom and pop rag, Snopes, says.
I'll wait for facts based upon truth.
American Stinker is off today
From your Snopes citation:
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Also note that the Post doesn't pay sources. And if it were discovered that a journalist did that they'd be fired on the spot.
Can't wait to see what source you use.
You need to read post the headline there sparky.
An Alabama woman claimed the Washington Post tried to pay her to come forward and make accusations of sexual abuse against Roy Moore.
RATING
FALSE
The funniest thing is that he is using the same link I did to dispute the claim made on his own (and mine) link!
There is NO statute of limitations in Alabama for:
Section 13A-6-69
Enticing child to enter vehicle, house, etc., for immoral purposes. It shall be unlawful for any person with lascivious intent to entice, allure, persuade or invite, or attempt to entice, allure, persuade or invite, any child under 16 years of age to enter any vehicle, room, house, office or other place for the purpose of proposing to such child the performance of an act of sexual intercourse or an act which constitutes the offense of sodomy or for the purpose of proposing the fondling or feeling of the sexual or genital parts of such child or the breast of such child, or for the purpose of committing an aggravated assault on such child, or for the purpose of proposing that such child fondle or feel the sexual or genital parts of such person.
Any person violating the provisions of this section shall, for the first violation, be punished by a fine not to exceed $5,000.00 or by confinement for a term not to exceed five years, or by both fine and imprisonment; and any person who shall be convicted for the second violation of this section shall be punished by confinement in the penitentiary for not less than two nor more than 10 years, and such person shall not be eligible for probation.
(Acts 1967, No. 388, p. 976; Code 1975, §13-1-114.)
Even if there’s no statute of limitations under Alabama law, a defendant still has a constitutional right to due process. An excessive delay in bringing charges may be considered unconstitutional if it severely deprives the defendant of the opportunity to mount a defense. I’d say waiting 40 damn years to bring charges qualifies as excessive delay.
Thank you F. Lee Bailey.
You’re welcome dear.
So does that mean you support setting a statute of limitations on murder?
A murder victim is and always will be incapable of filing charges. That is the difference.
There's been no discussion whatsoever by Moore's victims of filing charges against him.
He's the only one talking about suing people which is a "tell" for guilt--immediately threatening accusers hoping to frighten them off. (Trump's, Weinstein's and most rich powerful perps' tactics, btw).
That didn't help Bill Cosby. But maybe AL is more perp friendly if the perp happens to be a republican and "god fearin'" rightwing extremist.
And, don't forget a former Justice and, Judge.
Are you following the thread?
The posit was that a 40 year old allegations deny due process.
Secondly, the STATE files charges of enticement, NOT the victim.
In short, your comment is irrelevant.
Once they saw there was a credible witness, the reporters probably felt an obligation to try and get her (them) to come forward.
They could have written the article without naming names but the women allowing WAPO to identify them bolsters the credibility of the report. Unless of course you're one of our intrepid 'conservatives', then it's just a political 'libtard' hit piece.
The women who accused Trump right before the election also gave their names to the press. Where are they today? You were speaking of credibility?
Doing lunch or their nails?
I remember Trump saying that he was going to sue them......but he's done nothing at all. I wonder if he's afraid of the discovery process?
Speaking of credibility or lack thereof:
He's in the midst of his justice. But really, why do you think it matters one bit that they threaten to sue? First of all, that is usually hot air. Actions speak louder than words. I'm not seeing anything. At this point the women are less afraid to come forward, there is power in numbers. If you look at Moore, it is clear the evidence will be hard to refute. There are far too many people who know about his predilections. He is yet another asshole of a man who thought he was entitled to do anything with girls, and now in the blink of an eye women and society are saying NO. I feel no sympathy for any of them. This change is permanent.
Discovery can be a real ball buster...(pun intended)
Trump is NOT the topic of this seed.
Or he might be busy running the country, not that the left would be able to notice and acknowledge that.
At least one has filed a case against him. It's wending its way along and you can be sure Trump is doing everything he can to keep it from going to court.
LOL! Since when - or did you mean busy running the country into the sewer?
Wait, wait the "librul" NYT brought down a "librul" Hollywood producer? Nawwwwww. Impossible
They had an obligation alright . . . to the Jones campaign.
You Bet!
That dog won't hunt. The latest woman who does say he assaulted her when she was 16 is republican and voted for Trump. This goes beyond politics and its pretty normal for the adversary to make the most of an opponent's scandal. Its tough shit, karma's a bitch, what goes around comes around.........
She has nothing to do with the Post article so my comment still stands and so do my questions about the incident.
The same paper that also disclosed the "access Hollywood" tapes last year - and that story was released 1 month to an election as well!
It’s basically a negative ad for the Hillary, and now Jones, campaign. And they wonder why the MSM has no credibility with some people.
It's again necessary to remind everyone that you on the right never have any doubts about the veracity of the any woman's story against a man in politics or other businesses ("Hollywood!!!") which are on your long "enemies list."
Maybe if we all get thirsty we'll go to Delgado's and get some "mezcal."
Ah, you know the movie.
All those who live in Alabama, raise your hands. Oh, I don't see anyone. Guess you won't be voting.
All those that believe that a standard of conduct for any representative should not exist, raise your hands, looking, looking, no hands do I see.
I want to know why Roy Moore really fled to Australia. Usually that only happens when the crime is pretty serious and crossing a state line doesn't solve the problem.