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The Role Faith Must Play in America’s Future

  

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Via:  heartland-american  •  6 years ago  •  159 comments

The Role Faith Must Play in America’s Future

National Religious Freedom Day will take place on Tuesday, Jan. 16. (Photo: iStock Photos)

Does faith matter anymore in America? Should it?

That probably depends on who you ask, but what is becoming increasingly evident is a growing hostility among some segments of society and culture.

Last month, much of our nation celebrated the birth of Christ—called Christmas, short for Christ’s Mass—yet, the idea of any public display for a clearly religious holiday is somehow considered insensitive, discriminating, or criminal.

One begins to wonder if even saying “God Bless you” after a sneeze might somehow generate formal complaints and a lawsuit to stop such egregious behavior. Sounds like nonsense, doesn’t it?

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Sadly, it’s not.

Religious expression in the marketplace of ideas is not an automatic religious endorsement by the government, though this remains a loud, but hollow, cry among many who would deny those rights if given the power to do so.

When our nation was established, the idea of “self-government under God” was a prevailing theme. Today, it feels more like an increasingly intrusive government without God.

Teachers, football coaches, counselors, city and county officials, our men and women in uniform, chaplains, students, and even government officials are being reprimanded for acknowledging God or Jesus Christ in almost any public forum.

Business owners—photographers, bakers, florists, and others—are being sued, some even closing their doors, for simply adhering to their values, beliefs, and their rights of conscience in an honorable fashion.

Millions of citizens are rising up to say “enough” and declare that they still want to “keep faith in America.”

Millions of people in this country continue to pray and place a heartfelt trust in God. This simple act of humble faith has given America strength in wartime, dignity and compassion toward those less fortunate, and confidence in the face of unprecedented challenges.

For so many, faith matters, faith makes a difference, faith brings with it a renewed sense of hope for a better future. Thankfully, this certainty is finding its way back into the hearts, conversations, and actions of everyday Americans.

Throughout U.S. history, prayers of petition and thanksgiving have been lifted up by state and national leaders—to embrace our grief and sorrow, for our troops and first responders in harm’s way, in times of uncertainty and chaos, during global crises, for protection, provision, guidance, and the acknowledgement that in and of ourselves, we are wholly insufficient.

These cherished values are derived from principles deeply woven into the very fabric of our founding documents—the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights—and through the legacy and dedication of the men and women who helped build and shape this country.

The only way to preserve their sacrifice is to boldly move forward with courage and determination, and to walk out what we know to be true.

This legacy also speaks to why millions more have immigrated to our shores over the past three centuries and why countless others have risked everything to preserve our Judeo-Christian heritage.

Are these realities only because the United States is viewed as a “land of opportunity,” a global superpower, a place where dreams can come true? Or is it as the Pledge of Allegiance acknowledges, that we are “one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all”?

Americans have long viewed freedom as a core longing given by the creator in his design of man and a primary reason that religious liberty was established as a leading principle in our nation’s founding.

The freedom to choose what and who you believe in, as well as matters of conscience, is among the most basic and fundamental rights afforded to every citizen. Faith and freedom may not have been born together, but their marriage built America, and divorcing the two would ultimately lead to its demise.

Unfortunately, the fabric of this wonderful tapestry is fraying, and in many places is now being torn apart. Religious leaders across America have been concerned about the moral and spiritual decline we are seeing in the country, including the lack of respect and civility that exists in our national discourse.

Polarized and entrenched positions, angry rhetoric, and other signs of acrimony reveal the growing loss of decency and tolerance on all sides. And yet, faith still matters. It still has a role to play in the days ahead. We must keep faith in America.

On Jan. 16, National Religious Freedom Day, thousands of people from all walks of life will join together in a powerful show of unity to raise their voices and launch the “Keep Faith in America” movement.

They will be joined by numerous federal and state legislators, governors, celebrities, and faith leaders who are uniting to help ensure that prayer, God, faith, and the Bible continue to represent an important guiding influence in America’s future—a movement dedicated to promoting freedom and civility, and to reduce the bitter animosity infecting nearly every part of our national psyche.

Things will kick off on the 16th at events across the United States and in 30 state capitols nationwide. Interested individuals can be part of the initial launch through a first-of-its-kind nationally broadcasted Facebook Live event that could potentially reach millions of people throughout the world.

In the following months, there will be a focus on other critically important segments of society, including churches and clergy members, colleges and universities, local governments, and school boards. Some of the most recognized and respected faith leaders in America are uniting to make a difference and reach into every sphere of influence in today’s culture.

Now, more than ever, there is a need to affirm that faith and trust in the creator remain vital to our national well-being. He was understood as the God of the Bible, which was given to help guide our decision-making, our governance as a people, to protect religious liberty, and to live before others with humility and Christian love.

Believers should be leading the way when it comes to engaging society and culture with greater civility, focusing their efforts to reduce harmful divisions. Faith is the key in the days ahead, and it must move beyond a well-crafted sermon and become faith in action.

The Keep Faith in America movement is a renewal of hope. People can register to attend the Facebook Live event on Jan. 16 by visiting either of the following links: Keep Faith in America Facebook or www.KeepFaithInAmerica.com.

The goal is to first stand together, then pray together, and finally, to move forward together.

Stand. Pray. Move. This is about a renewed hope, a strengthened resolve, a sharpened focus, a bold declaration, and an energized movement.      http://dailysignal.com/2018/01/12/role-faith-must-play-americas-future/


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

“On Jan. 16, National Religious Freedom Day, thousands of people from all walks of life will join together in a powerful show of unity to raise their voices and launch the “Keep Faith in America” movement.

They will be joined by numerous federal and state legislators, governors, celebrities, and faith leaders who are uniting to help ensure that prayer, God, faith, and the Bible continue to represent an important guiding influence in America’s future—a movement dedicated to promoting freedom and civility, and to reduce the bitter animosity infecting nearly every part of our national psyche.

Things will kick off on the 16th at events across the United States and in 30 state capitols nationwide. Interested individuals can be part of the initial launch through a first-of-its-kind nationally broadcasted Facebook Live event that could potentially reach millions of people throughout the world.

In the following months, there will be a focus on other critically important segments of society, including churches and clergy members, colleges and universities, local governments, and school boards. Some of the most recognized and respected faith leaders in America are uniting to make a difference and reach into every sphere of influence in today’s culture.

Now, more than ever, there is a need to affirm that faith and trust in the creator remain vital to our national well-being. He was understood as the God of the Bible, which was given to help guide our decision-making, our governance as a people, to protect religious liberty, and to live before others with humility and Christian love.”

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.1  Skrekk  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    6 years ago

The threat to religious liberty is far worse than what your article makes it out to be.......for example business owners who are racist traditional Southern Baptists (and have a faithful belief that the god of the bible required the races to remain separate and white folks to be in charge) are no longer allowed to deny service to Negros at their whites-only businesses.

What ever happened to "We reserve the right to deny service to anyone"?

In fact such faithfully racist Christians aren't even allowed to have whites-only businesses anymore, not even in the confederate states.    They're forced to run their whites-only establishment as a members-only private club, like the whites-only country club of which Rush Limbaugh is a member.    How unfair is that?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    6 years ago
Believers should be leading the way when it comes to engaging society and culture with greater civility, focusing their efforts to reduce harmful divisions.

Set the example, here on NT. Good luck!

What a steaming pile of hypocrisy this article represents. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  devangelical @1.2    6 years ago

While the poster of the article has a right to their opinion, I have yet to see them post an article where they aren't playing the victim. They have freedom of religion, but clearly that's not enough. [eye roll]

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.2  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @1.2.1    6 years ago

The Reichstag burns and a crucifixion takes place every day.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.4  devangelical  replied to    6 years ago

Skirting the CoC [ph]

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.2.6  igknorantzrulz  replied to    6 years ago

Nothing like a little Mourning Bromance to start your Sunday

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MrFrost @1.2.1    6 years ago

The free excercise thereof of religious beliefs is what is endangered and being fought to be preserved.  There are believers facing persecution over their free excercise not really being free.  Freedom of religion is not limited to belief.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.2.8  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.7    6 years ago
The free excercise thereof of religious beliefs is what is endangered

That's nice. prove it!

 There are believers facing persecution over their free excercise not really being free.

Typical Christian persecution complex.

Freedom of religion is not limited to belief.

Wrong! There  are legal limits to religious exercise. Exercise is not a valid reason to violate secular law. The SCOTUS was quite clear about that.

 
 
 
epistte
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1.2.9  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.7    6 years ago
The free excercise thereof of religious beliefs is what is endangered and being fought to be preserved.

Freedom of religion is limited to your right to believe and worship as you choose. You do not have the right to force others to live by your religious beliefs, or for the government to legislate your beliefs because others have the same religious rights to live as they choose.

You do not have the right to deny service in a public business because of your religious beliefs. 

You have yet to explain what the definition of the separation of church and state that you support is. I wonder why that could be?

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.2.10  Gordy327  replied to  epistte @1.2.9    6 years ago
You do not have the right to deny service in a public business because of your religious beliefs.

And when required to provide service, they scream persecution.

You have yet to explain what the definition of the separation of church and state that you support is.

Or the "degree" of this support.

I wonder why that could be?

Because he has nothing!

 
 
 
epistte
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1.2.11  epistte  replied to  Gordy327 @1.2.10    6 years ago
Because he has nothing!

His separation of church and state is probably a farce. He likely believes that the state cannot be permitted to regulate the chuch in any way, but the chuch has free reign to use the power of the state to enforce its docterine on all people, despite the free exercise of religion for the people.  

Those supposed situations usually devolve into which Christian chuch is the domionat one and can subvert the beliefs of others sects. That situation is precisely why there must be a complete separation of chuch and state so all people have the same level of religious freedom and that the country isn't a theocracy.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.2.12  Gordy327  replied to  epistte @1.2.11    6 years ago
His separation of church and state is probably a farce.

Possibly. After all, he still hasn't explained what his idea of separation, or the "degree" thereof, actually is.

He likely believes that the state cannot be permitted to regulate the chuch in any way, but the chuch has free reign to use the power of the state to enforce its docterine on all people, despite the free exercise of religion for the people.

In other words, separation is one way. Which isn't really separation. But rather, a pseudo theocracy.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.13  devangelical  replied to  Gordy327 @1.2.12    6 years ago

The degree is to probably allow other religions to exist in the US in a token capacity, without the religious freedoms currently enjoyed by the dominant religion. In a nutshell, this article basically states that members of a specific fringe segment of xtianity are the only ones with the moral compass to lead America. And to that I say, no fucking way. Dominionists need to keep their self righteous bullshit out of my face.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.2.14  Gordy327  replied to  devangelical @1.2.13    6 years ago
Dominionists need to keep their self righteous bullshit out of my face.

tell me about it.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.2.15  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.7    6 years ago
The free excercise thereof of religious beliefs is what is endangered and being fought to be preserved.

Where? What laws have been passed limiting your freedom of religion? List them. You have been asked this question over and over again and every single time, you have no answer. So tell us, HOW IS YOUR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM being ATTACKED? 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.2.16  Gordy327  replied to  MrFrost @1.2.15    6 years ago
So tell us, HOW IS YOUR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM being ATTACKED?

It's not. The whole "attack" on religious freedom is just hyperbolic nonsense.

 
 
 
epistte
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1.2.17  epistte  replied to  MrFrost @1.2.15    6 years ago
Where? What laws have been passed limiting your freedom of religion? List them. You have been asked this question over and over again and every single time, you have no answer. So tell us, HOW IS YOUR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM being ATTACKED?

He thinks that prohibiting his chosen religion from being about to trample the secular and religious rights of others is an attack on the free exercise of his religious freedom.  These people want a defacto conservative Christian theocracy and those of us who will not permit that to happen are prosecuting him in their opinion. 

 
 
 
Steve Ott
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2  Steve Ott    6 years ago

Which faith in which god? 

I have faith, but I don't believe it is the kind of faith you want or think will save this country. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Steve Ott @2    6 years ago

“faith and trust in the creator remain vital to our national well-being. He was understood as the God of the Bible, which was given to help guide our decision-making, our governance as a people, to protect religious liberty, and to live before others with humility and Christian love”

 
 
 
Steve Ott
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2.1.1  Steve Ott  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    6 years ago

So why don't you re-title the article The Role Christianity must play? Why not be straightforward about it? 

Shiva is both the creator and destroyer, as is the god of Genesis, what if Shiva is the true god? 

My feeling is that these faith meetings will be rather closed affairs.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    6 years ago
“faith and trust in the creator remain vital to our national well-being. He was understood as the God of the Bible, which was given to help guide our decision-making, our governance as a people, to protect religious liberty, and to live before others with humility and Christian love”.

So you are endorsing a Christian version of Sharia?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.2    6 years ago

No, just a return to the original intent of the founding fathers based on both their words and actions.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.3    6 years ago
No, just a return to the original intent of the founding fathers based on both their words and actions.

You mean Deism?  The majority were not Christian the way you want to think of it.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.3    6 years ago

Based on your statement, you are endorsing the christian version of sharia law.  Plain and simple.  With that being said, it's NOT what the founders of this country had in mind.  Just because you see "creator" in the constitution does NOT mean that it's the one in the bible.  That is an assumption that christians are making.  And you use that assumption in an attempt to bully everybody else who have a different creator in mind to bend to your will.  And when we don't bend, you cry that you and your belief are victims of persecution.

As far as what the founders thought; see #4 by Pat Wilson below.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2.1.6  bbl-1  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.2    6 years ago

Comment removed ToS and CoC violation [ph]

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1.7  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.3    6 years ago

Oh, you mean the separation of church and state? Yes, that is a good intention.

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.8  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.3    6 years ago
No, just a return to the original intent of the founding fathers based on both their words and actions.

You have the right to believe in god/gods and to worship as you choose to do, but you do not and never had the rights to force others to believe as you do or to obey your religious beliefs when enforced by the state.  When your religious beliefs involve another person they must give their consent to be involved. If they do not consent to be involved in your religious belief, you do not have the right to have them take part in that religious belief or action.

Thank you for supporting the separation of church and state. Jefferson wrote this letter just after he was elected POTUS.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God , that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature would " make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

He also wrote this,

Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.9  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    6 years ago

Is this the Christian love that you are referring to?

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MrFrost
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2.1.10  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.3    6 years ago
No, just a return to the original intent of the founding fathers based on both their words and actions.

The founding fathers were not Christians, they were Deists. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.11  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    6 years ago
He was understood as the God of the Bible

Which one? Christian, Catholic, LDS, Mormon, Baptist, Pentecostal, Protestant.....etc.. So many bibles, so many religions, all the same God. Seems weird that ONE God would issue so many different versions of the same message. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.12  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    6 years ago
Christian love”

Have you read some of the posts from Christians on this site? "Love"? Some of the most hateful comments I have ever read on NT and NV came from hate filled Christians. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.5    6 years ago

I have never said that I want to impose any of my particular religious beliefs on another person.  I have a belief system and advocate for it but not by political means.  I’ve always supported the establishment clause preventing government from establishing a state religion or favoring one over another and preventing any church from having controlling powers over matters of conscience through government.  I support a degree of separation of church and state. I don’t support the FFRF version of it.  Religious speech is just as protected in the public square and government spaces as any other free speech.  As to social issues, I believe that life begins at conception and can use science and technology rather than religion to advocate for it.  The same with gay marriage and its effects on society and families.  There are non religion based objections there too.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.14  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.13    6 years ago
and preventing any church from having controlling powers over matters of conscience through government.

Then why are you insisting that faith mist play a role in America's future? You do realize that you are contradicting yourself here, correct? 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1.15  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.13    6 years ago
. I support a degree of separation of church and state.

A "degree?" What is a "degree?" Separation of church and state must be and should be total and absolute. Otherwise, it doesn't work.

I don’t support the FFRF version of it.

What is their version of it exactly?

Religious speech is just as protected in the public square and government spaces as any other free speech.

no one ever said it wasn't.

As to social issues, I believe that life begins at conception and can use science and technology rather than religion to advocate for it.

What relevance is that to social issues? Especially in matters pertaining to abortion?

The same with gay marriage and its effects on society and families.

How does gay marriage effect society or families? It has absolutely zero effect on me or anyone else I know.

There are non religion based objections there too.

Such as? I have yet to hear a logical or valid non-religious based objection, either before or after the legalization of SSM. The only objections to SSM have been religiously based. I suppose that's why opponents of SSM have lost on the issue nearly every time it's been reviewed buy the courts.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.16  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.13    6 years ago
I have never said that I want to impose any of my particular religious beliefs on another person.

You statement in #2.1 says otherwise.  And, for the sake of argument, you personally don't want that.  There are many among your fellow believers that do want that.  They want it so bad that people have been killed over it.  Christianity, like Islam WAS spread at the tip of a sword.  And there are places today where Christians still enforce 2 Chronicles 15:12-13:

12  And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord , the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, 13  but that whoever would not seek the Lord , the God of Israel,should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.

 

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2.1.17  bbl-1  replied to  bbl-1 @2.1.6    6 years ago

Aww gee whiz.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.19  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to    6 years ago
Kindly post up links to places where Christians kill people who do not believe in Christianity.
  • Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded.
  • The Bishop of Limoges (France) in 1010 had the cities' Jews, who would not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed.
Then kindly explain how the verse you quote is applicable to Christianity

It's in plain English.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.20  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to    6 years ago

Good point.  They think that all the mosaic law from when Israel was coming out of Egypt and all the ceremonies leading up to The Cross are still binding on us today.  It seems that the original atheists here and the ones that came over from the place that shall not be named are coordinating a gang bang of every single seed that has any kind of social conservative/ values/ religious content.  

 
 
 
pat wilson
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2.1.21  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.20    6 years ago
They think that all the mosaic law

Don't you mean "abrahamic" law ? 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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2.1.22  Skrekk  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.13    6 years ago
I support a degree of separation of church and state.

LOL.

.

The same with gay marriage and its effects on society and families.  There are non religion based objections there too. 

Funny that your ilk has never been able to cite even one legitimate secular reason to deny gay couples the same right to marry which all other couples enjoy.    That's probably why your ilk lost in court, just like the racist bible-babblers lost in 1967 on the mixed-race marriage issue.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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2.1.23  Skrekk  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.20    6 years ago
It seems that the original atheists here and the ones that came over from the place that shall not be named are coordinating a gang bang of every single seed that has any kind of social conservative/ values/ religious content.

From what I can tell "social conservative" is synonymous with "greedy bigot", someone who wants special rights for themselves which they want denied to the minorities whom their superstitious cult teaches them to hate.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1.24  Gordy327  replied to  Skrekk @2.1.22    6 years ago

I'm still waiting for an explanation as to what "degree" means.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.25  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  pat wilson @2.1.21    6 years ago

No

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.26  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Skrekk @2.1.22    6 years ago

whats an Ilk? 

 
 
 
Explorerdog
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2.1.27  Explorerdog  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.24    6 years ago

It's an itty bitty at some applications almost imperceptible break in the continuum to the point it can be ignored.

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.28  epistte  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.11    6 years ago
Which one? Christian, Catholic, LDS, Mormon, Baptist, Pentecostal, Protestant.....etc.. So many bibles, so many religions, all the same God. Seems weird that ONE God would issue so many different versions of the same message.

It is amusing that the version of the bible that is adored by Protestant Christians was created by a closeted gay Scottish king

The Background: The unnamed editors of the revision say they chose to use and retitle the King James Version to the Queen James Version because of the “obvious gay link to King James, known amongst friends and courtiers as ‘Queen James’ because of his many gay lovers.”

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.29  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.13    6 years ago
I’ve always supported the establishment clause preventing government from establishing a state religion or favoring one over another

Bull Shit!

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.30  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.26    6 years ago
What's an ilk?

The few hundred people who keep urging for the creation of the State of Jefferson?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.31  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.29    6 years ago

Are you calling me a liar?

 
 
 
Another Fine Mess
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2.1.32  Another Fine Mess  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.16    6 years ago
Christianity, like Islam WAS spread at the tip of a sword.

Eventually yes, however it's important to point out that initially Christianity wasn't spread by the sword.

 
 
 
Another Fine Mess
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2.1.33  Another Fine Mess  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.10    6 years ago
The founding fathers were not Christians, they were Deists.

The majority of them, yes, but not all.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.34  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.31    6 years ago

Would false witness be better?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
2.1.35  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Another Fine Mess @2.1.32    6 years ago
Eventually yes, however it's important to point out that initially Christianity wasn't spread by the sword.

Is that supposed to make me forget the violence and slaughter they are responsible for?  

Hell the slaughter began soon after the religion became "legal".

  • As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.
  • Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
  • Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer."
  • Pagan services became punishable by death in 356.
 
 
 
Another Fine Mess
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2.1.36  Another Fine Mess  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.35    6 years ago
Is that supposed to make me forget the violence and slaughter they are responsible for?

No, it's being precise, failure to be so often points to bias.

It's a matter of temporal power, before it achieved said the Christian church was relatively harmless.

In the last 100 years or so the Western Christianity has once again become relatively harmless.

Does this excuse the intervening period? No, so please don't try and use emotive language, it simply doesn't work with me.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.37  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Another Fine Mess @2.1.36    6 years ago
No, it's being precise, failure to be so often points to bias.

I am being precise.  Christianity was spread by the sword.  Much the same way you claim Islam is.

It's a matter of temporal power, before it achieved said the Christian church was relatively harmless.

Until it became "legal".  And I provided for examples of what happened in the span of about 40 years.  

In the last 100 years or so the Western Christianity has once again become relatively harmless.

Again, it doesn't make me forget the violence that predicated that.

Does this excuse the intervening period? No, so please don't try and use emotive language, it simply doesn't work with me.

My "emotive" language is simply fact.  Millions have been slaughtered by christians so they can get their "message" across and gain a following.

 
 
 
Another Fine Mess
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2.1.38  Another Fine Mess  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.37    6 years ago

I am being precise.  Christianity was spread by the sword. 

After 323, that's being precise, ignoring the preceding 280 years or so speaks of bias.

Much the same way you claim Islam is.

Islam was spread in part by the sword. Mohammad, the founder of Islam forced two Jewish tribes from Medina, and had a third slaughtered. Mohammad the founder of Islam took Mecca at the head of an army, and according to Islamic sources destroyed the other idols. 

Until it became "legal".  And I provided for examples of what happened in the span of about 40 years. 

You obviously don't understand what temporal power means, I'm agreeing with your position here.

Again, it doesn't make me forget the violence that predicated that.

I'm not asking you to, nothing in most post even suggest this, so why would you keep making this meaningless point?

My "emotive" language is simply fact.  Millions have been slaughtered by christians so they can get their "message" across and gain a following.

I don't think it is. I think it's to avoid accepting my point, at least that's what I find emotive language is usually used for.

For it's first 280 years or so Christianity was by and large harmless, after it achieved temporal authority, this altered.

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.39  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.31    6 years ago
Are you calling me a liar?

I'll be nice and merely say that you're intellectually dishonest.

How can you possibly claim that you support the sepertion of church and state and agree with the premise that the Christian faith must play a part in the American country? The entire premise of the OP is the creation of a government based on Christian belifs, which is in direct opposition to the strict seperation of church and state. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1.40  Gordy327  replied to  epistte @2.1.39    6 years ago
How can you possibly claim that you support the sepertion of church and state

He supports a "degree" of separation. Although, he has yet to elaborate on what that means exactly.

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.42  epistte  replied to    6 years ago

You do like personal attacks.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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2.1.43  Skrekk  replied to  Another Fine Mess @2.1.38    6 years ago
For it's first 280 years or so Christianity was by and large harmless, after it achieved temporal authority, this altered.

That's the relevant point, isn't it?   Religious cults are relatively harmless until they gain power.....and they're quite brutal when there's no real separation of church and state.    We know that not just from US history with its vile Christian sharia laws but from the early history of the Christian Roman empire.    Immediately after Christianity was made the religion of the empire there were events like the massacre of Thessalonica in 390 CE.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.44  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  epistte @2.1.9    6 years ago

No, not interested in what all those democrats advocate for.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.45  Split Personality  replied to  Skrekk @2.1.43    6 years ago

Christianity has a 600 year head start over Islam.

Perhaps the radical Muslims will evolve to a "harmless" state eventually?

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.46  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.44    6 years ago
No, not interested in what all those democrats advocate for.

Is this an example of what you consider to be the separation of church and state?

 
 
 
Another Fine Mess
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2.1.47  Another Fine Mess  replied to  Skrekk @2.1.43    6 years ago
That's the relevant point, isn't it?

It was almost the point I was making, there is slightly more, see the bottom section of this post.

and they're quite brutal when there's no real separation of church and state. 

In Britain our Head of State is also the head of the Church of England, so your statement doesn't really hold up in the modern Western world.

We know that not just from US history with its vile Christian sharia laws but from the early history of the Christian Roman empire.

US history, remind me.

Was there separation between Church and State in the US when they carried out their atrocities against the Native population?

Was there separation between Church and State in the US when they practiced slavery?

The answer to both questions is yes.

The relevant point is power corrupts, and whilst the various churches are no stranger to this, neither are secular Governments.

They all have the same problem, they're run by people, and they are what power corrupts.

Finally, do I think faith can have a role to play in America's future, on a social/personal level why not.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.48  MrFrost  replied to    6 years ago
Kindly post up links to places where Christians kill people who do not believe in Christianity.

Salem witch trials...for one. And in the late 1300's, Christians round up Jews in Europe and executed ~90% of them because they thought the Jews were spreading the plague. Christians have a very dark past and their present isn't great either. 

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.49  epistte  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.48    6 years ago

Don't forget the American attempt to wipe out the native tribes or force them  to convert to Christinaity as part of the white European idea of manifest destiny.  Those cultures lost 90% of their former memebers and almost all of their ancestral land.

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
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2.1.50  Phoenyx13  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.48    6 years ago
Salem witch trials...for one. And in the late 1300's, Christians round up Jews in Europe and executed ~90% of them because they thought the Jews were spreading the plague. Christians have a very dark past and their present isn't great either.

aren't those wonderful examples of this "Christian Love" that they keep telling everyone about ? Laugh

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1.51  Gordy327  replied to  epistte @2.1.42    6 years ago

That's all he ever seems to have.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1.52  Gordy327  replied to  Phoenyx13 @2.1.50    6 years ago

Current examples include wanting to deny gays the right to marry and limiting or prohibiting a woman's right to choose. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.53  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Another Fine Mess @2.1.38    6 years ago
After 323, that's being precise, ignoring the preceding 280 years or so speaks of bias.

For the better part of the preceding 280 years the stories of Jesus and his message were spread via oral stories.  With some serious embellishment.  Then comes the bible and it's many, many changes.  What started out as a typical version of the game Telephone, now continues in written form.

Islam was spread in part by the sword. Mohammad, the founder of Islam forced two Jewish tribes from Medina, and had a third slaughtered. Mohammad the founder of Islam took Mecca at the head of an army, and according to Islamic sources destroyed the other idols

Now where have I heard similar accounts...Oh that's right.  Christians did the same thing.  

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.54  epistte  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.51    6 years ago
That's all he ever seems to have.

Apparently, he doesn't mind when the R.A. deletes his posts. 

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.55  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.44    6 years ago
No, not interested in what all those democrats advocate for.

When did the Klan convert from being conservative Protestant Christians who hated immigrants, minorities, and Catholics?

How many Klan members voted for Obama, Bernie Sanders or Hillary?

The Ku Klux Klan, with its long history of violence, is the most infamous - and oldest - of American https://www.splcenter.org/20171004/frequently-asked-questions-about-hate-groups#hate group"> hate groups . Although black Americans have typically been the Klan's primary target, it also has attacked Jews, immigrants, gays and lesbians and, until recently, Catholics. Over the years since it was formed in December 1865, the Klan has typically seen itself as a Christian organization, although in modern times Klan groups are motivated by a variety of theological and political ideologies.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1.56  Gordy327  replied to  epistte @2.1.54    6 years ago
Apparently, he doesn't mind when the R.A. deletes his posts.

He thinks it's "biased moderation." He even wrote an article complaining about it several days ago. He even thinks NT is becoming like NV.

 
 
 
Another Fine Mess
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2.1.57  Another Fine Mess  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.53    6 years ago

For the better part of the preceding 280 years the stories of Jesus and his message were spread via oral stories.

This isn't the issue is it?

I would point out there was a loose organisational system in place quite early, but as I've stated this isn't the issue.

Now where have I heard similar accounts...Oh that's right.  Christians did the same thing. 

Really, so Paul/Saul led his converts to conquer a city did he?

No, the Christian violence began later, once it had achieved temporal power, something Islam achieved much earlier.

But we've already covered this. 

You've phrased the above as if it's some telling point, have you not read my posts? 

I'd like to know just what you think you've proven by this

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.58  epistte  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.56    6 years ago
He thinks it's "biased moderation." He even wrote an article complaining about it several days ago. He even thinks NT is becoming like NV.

I wrote something but then I deleted it because my thought is likely not permitted by the CoC. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1.59  Gordy327  replied to  epistte @2.1.58    6 years ago
I wrote something but then I deleted it because my thought is likely not permitted by the CoC.

Perhaps you can word it...diplomatically? Give it a little sugar coating? winking

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.60  epistte  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.59    6 years ago

I doubt that even Shakespeare could sugar coat a hand grenade.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.1.61  igknorantzrulz  replied to  epistte @2.1.58    6 years ago
I wrote something but then I deleted it because my thought is likely not permitted by the CoC.

I have to do this with 90% of my replies

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.1.62  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.59    6 years ago
sugar coating?

I'm diabetic

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1.63  Gordy327  replied to  epistte @2.1.60    6 years ago
I doubt that even Shakespeare could sugar coat a hand grenade.

O...k...moving on now. :)

 
 
 
Skrekk
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2.1.64  Skrekk  replied to  Another Fine Mess @2.1.47    6 years ago

Was there separation between Church and State in the US when they carried out their atrocities against the Native population?

Was there separation between Church and State in the US when they practiced slavery?

The answer to both questions is yes.

Actually the answer is no.    Despite the Establishment clause first being applied to the states in 1947 (technically in 1868 when the 14th Amendment was adopted, but more practically in 1961 ), the reality is that secular government is an ongoing effort since Establishment violations are an ongoing problem......heck, DOMA was passed by Congress in 1996, and Mississippi just passed another law which blatantly violates the Establishment clause.

And despite the federal government being subject to the Establishment clause since 1789, it was the federal BIA which imposed Christianity on the native American children who were forced into boarding schools in order to "assimilate" them.

 
 
 
epistte
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2.2  epistte  replied to  Steve Ott @2    6 years ago

FSM is not pleased by your lack of faith.  Either repent or eat store brand peanut butter for the remainder of your days.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  epistte @2.2    6 years ago

I love store brand peanut butter!  

 
 
 
pat wilson
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4  pat wilson    6 years ago

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Gordy327
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4.1  Gordy327  replied to  pat wilson @4    6 years ago

I couldn't have said it better myself. Happy

 
 
 
MrFrost
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6  MrFrost    6 years ago
even government officials are being reprimanded for acknowledging God or Jesus Christ in almost any public forum.

Secular society, secular laws. A GOVERNMENT employee should not be performing their jobs based on their religious beliefs. PERIOD. 

 
 
 
luther28
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7  luther28    6 years ago

Love others as one would love themselves?

For the life of me although it has been some time, I do not remember any exceptions to this. Has the notion been revised?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

Today is National Religious Freedom Day.  Let’s celebrate 🎊🎈🎉 it!

 
 
 
devangelical
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8.1  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8    6 years ago

Comment removed for ToS and CoC violation [ph]

 
 
 
epistte
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8.1.1  epistte  replied to  devangelical @8.1    6 years ago

I could spend the evening bringing the combined good news of both Baphomet and FSM to Christians.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  epistte @8.1.1    6 years ago

Enjoy your spaghetti 🍝 and meatballs meal.  

 
 
 
epistte
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8.1.3  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.2    6 years ago

I made chicken marsala with fettucini. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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9  devangelical    6 years ago

The more fringe-cult religious ideologies contradict the Constitution, the less influence they will have in the future direction of America. Thumpers think they have their twisted version of Jesus' proxy vote and would govern that way if ever given the opportunity. Every encroachment of the Constitution by religious extremists must be repelled by all legal means available. 

 
 
 
lady in black
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9.1  lady in black  replied to  devangelical @9    6 years ago

Exactly....No Christian Sharia here in the US...EVER!!!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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9.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  lady in black @9.1    6 years ago

There is no such thing as a Christian ⛪️ Sharia.  

 
 
 
epistte
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9.1.2  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.1    6 years ago
There is no such thing as a Christian ⛪️ Sharia.

Trying to legislate or to enforce any Christian religious beliefs with the power of the government at any level is Christian sharia.  Keep your religious views to yourself because we all have equal religious rights and our rights and beliefs are not subservient to yours, despite what you may believe.  

 
 
 
Skrekk
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9.1.3  Skrekk  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.1    6 years ago
There is no such thing as a Christian ⛪️ Sharia.

Sure there is.   All the anti-LGBT laws like Mississippi's HB 1523 are a good example, as were DOMA and DADT and the 129 other anti-LGBT bills introduced in state legislatures last year .   Another example is what Der Fuhrer is currently trying to do with HHS to allow health care providers to cite superstition when they deny service.

In fact Christian sharia law has always been the # 1 threat to liberty and civil rights here ever since the colonial era.    The funny part is that Christian extremists always seem to need the state to prop up their cult.    Moderate Christians don't have that kind of frail superstition and thus don't need state endorsement.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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9.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Skrekk @9.1.3    6 years ago

You realize that liberal mainline Protestant churches have been involved in politics for decades or centuries.  From temperance to abolition to civil rights to anti war and green efforts, the old mainlines have been legislating morality and getting involved politically.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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9.1.5  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.4    6 years ago

Morality is subjective and cannot be legislated. And if a church is politically involved, it should lose its tax exempt status, per IRS rules. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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9.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @9.1.5    6 years ago

So all churches involved in the anti war effort or the civil rights movement should have lost their tax exemption for it? 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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9.1.8  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.7    6 years ago

Was my previous reply not clear enough? Or are you only trying to create an obvious emotionally compelling spin? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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9.1.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @9.1.8    6 years ago

Do you really think that the civil rights movement would have had the success it did had churches not gotten involved over fear of their tax status?  Would you have turned the IRS loose against Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. and his church for mixing religion with politics in his efforts?  Maybe if you had your way, one of the greatest most awesome speeches ever given by anyone, “I have a dream” would never have happened.  How many other African American clergy leading the civil rights movement would you have gone after?  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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9.1.10  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.9    6 years ago

Spare me your hyperbole because it's nothing more than a smokescreen and doesn't change my previous points, which are also factual.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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9.1.11  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @9.1.10    6 years ago

There is nothing hyperbole about what I said. The fact remains that the social change I mentioned above came about because of religion and that it wouldn’t have happened or it would have at a much slower pace if you had your way and punished churches and pastors for getting involved.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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9.1.12  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.11    6 years ago
The fact remains that the social change I mentioned above came about because of religion and that it wouldn’t have happened or it would have at a much slower pace if you had your way and punished churches and pastors for getting involved.

Pure conjecture. it also doesn't change the fact that churches/religions are not supposed to inject themselves with or play politics! It's called the separation of church and state for a reason.

 
 
 
epistte
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9.1.13  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.7    6 years ago
So all churches involved in the anti war effort or the civil rights movement should have lost their tax exemption for it?

Opposing war and treating others as equals did not require people of other religions to forfeit their religious beliefs and adopt yours, unlike the state sponsor shop of conservative Christianity. I am an atheist and I support both of those former ideas and I don't have to change my religious views to do so. 

Jesus was opposed to war and taught his followers to treated others as they would treat Jesus and that they have an obligation to care for the poor and sick.        

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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9.1.14  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @9.1.12    6 years ago

And the abolitionists before the civil war and before income taxes were constitutional via amendment?  Should churches have not led the effort to end slavery or work toward ending child labor later in the 19th century?  How did government punish churches for being involved in social issues that touched on political issues before the income tax was introduced via constitutional amendment?  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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9.1.15  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.14    6 years ago

It's amusing how you keep trying to move the goal posts in some attempt to have a point. None of which actually refutes mine. Perhaps you should quit before you embarrass yourself further!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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9.1.16  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  epistte @9.1.13    6 years ago

Your atheist friend here disagrees with you about not punishing churches for being involved in political social issues you agree with.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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9.1.17  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.16    6 years ago
Your atheist friend here disagrees with you about not punishing churches for being involved in political social issues you agree with.

It's called the separation of church and state for a reason. And there are repercussions when a church crosses that line. Losing tax exempt status is one example. Just simple fact. 

 
 
 
epistte
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9.1.18  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.16    6 years ago
Your atheist friend here disagrees with you about not punishing churches for being involved in political social issues you agree with.

I disagree with you, and I agree with Gordy. The separation of church and state must be absolute at all levels of the government and taxpayer money. Churches should also lose their tax exemption on everything except aid that they can prove goes to help others.  This doesn't include missionary work, legal fees, education or political activities.  

 
 
 
charger 383
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9.1.19  charger 383  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.7    6 years ago

yes, if they crossed the line

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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9.1.20  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Skrekk @9.1.3    6 years ago

Teen stands strong in the face of hate

The world hated me first (John 15:18)A pastor in West Virginia says his stand for biblical values has resulted in a sexual assault on his teenage daughter.

Pastor Rich Penkoski has been noticed and targeted by homosexual activists before. He and his team had to clean about 900,000 "gay emojis" from their Facebook page after a gay blogger took note of his biblical stance on marriage. He tells OneNewsNow that he receives death threats almost daily, his car has been keyed, and he gets gay porn anonymously sent to his home.

It's all part of preaching the whole counsel of scripture, he says – until this recent incident: some middle school boys confronted his 13-year-old daughter about her father's beliefs on marriage. The teen explains what happened.

"And I said I don't support that either, I support traditional marriage," she shares. "And then they were calling me 'gay' and a 'gay Christian' – and I said You can't be both, and they said Yes, you can."

She continues: "And then they were saying I was transgender – and when I wasn't paying attention, he put the music stand between my legs and said, Oh, look, she's a boy now. She's transgender."

Ask anyone in the #MeToo movement – that's sexual assault. Both the school and the local sheriff's office confirmed to OneNewsNow that they're looking into the incident.

That confrontation, along with all the other abuse, has made her dad a little angry.

"It's not a fight that I asked for," the pastor says. "But you know what? It was laid at my doorstep and I'm going to defend myself. I'm going to defend God just like David did. You can't sit here and just let this happen anymore."

Penkoski says he and his wife try to teach their children to be strong in their faith. "We teach our children to fear God. We fear God before we fear men. [We tell them] Stick to your beliefs. Don't back down. Don't be afraid just because someone says whatever. That's not who we are."

It appears to be a lesson his teenage daughter has picked up: "[When that boy did that] I pushed him and slapped him in the face and he started laughing – and I told him he laughed like a chipmunk."

Still, Penkoski says he's pulling his kids out of public school and will start homeschooling them.    https://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/2018/01/19/teen-stands-strong-in-the-face-of-hate

 
 
 
epistte
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9.1.21  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.20    6 years ago
Pastor Rich Penkoski

What exactly is a gay emoji? 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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9.1.22  igknorantzrulz  replied to  epistte @9.1.21    6 years ago
What exactly is a gay emoji?

a REALLY Happy One !

 
 
 
epistte
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9.1.24  epistte  replied to    6 years ago

Most of those are pretty lame. Are you afraid of cartoons, glitter, and rainbows? 

I have emojis on my Photobucket account that have gotten me banned.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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9.1.26  igknorantzrulz  replied to  epistte @9.1.24    6 years ago

Jeepers,  Loki and I have worse on our lunch boxes

right Loki ?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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9.1.28  igknorantzrulz  replied to    6 years ago

Are you telling me you are of the female persuasion ?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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9.1.30  igknorantzrulz  replied to    6 years ago
Do you think you have to be female to like the powder puff girls? WOW....How very progressive

call me old fashioned then

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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9.1.31  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  epistte @9.1.21    6 years ago

Something that those who abused his daughter seemed to like.  

 
 
 
Skrekk
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9.1.32  Skrekk  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.20    6 years ago
We teach our children to fear God.

So not only has that nutty pastor taught his kids to hate LGBT folks but he's even teaching them to be true cowards and be frightened of an imaginary bogie man in the sky.    That sounds like psychological abuse and very controlling behavior.

How long before we learn that this pastor has been diddling his daughter?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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9.1.33  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Skrekk @9.1.32    6 years ago

Really?  This girl gets physically and sexually assaulted by pro homosexual peers and not one comment about what the attackers did being wrong.  

 
 
 
epistte
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9.1.34  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.33    6 years ago
This girl gets physically and sexually assaulted by pro homosexual peers and not one comment about what the attackers did being wrong.

I'd like to see the police report of this supposed sexual assault with a music stand?  Certainly, that would have been a headline on Fox News if it had happened.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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9.1.35  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  epistte @9.1.34    6 years ago

It did happen. 

 
 
 
epistte
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9.1.36  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.35    6 years ago
It did happen.

Then where is the police report? Certainly, they have a suspect in such a high profile case..............

 
 
 
Skrekk
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9.1.37  Skrekk  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.9    6 years ago
Do you really think that the civil rights movement would have had the success it did had churches not gotten involved over fear of their tax status?

I doubt that Bob Jones U was fighting for civil rights when their tax exempt status was revoked due to their ban on interracial dating and interracial marriage.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
10  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

President Donald Trump is garnering praise this week for his decision to declare January 16 as the National Day of Religious Freedom.

Nate Lance, advocacy manager for International Christian Concern, says the proclamation is a critical message that demonstrates solidarity with those being persecuted for their beliefs.

To that end, he hopes the U.S. Senate will follow the administration's lead by swiftly confirming Kansas Governor Sam Brownback as ambassador-at-large for International Religious Freedom.

"We've never seen someone as high profile as Governor Brownback appointed to this position,” he explains, “which is something I think is to commend the White House for."

Lance says Brownback’s leadership in the religious freedom office of the U.S. State Department will be an important asset in furthering the work of “the spear of our diplomatic core in terms of religious freedom” as it works with foreign governments to bring accountability to foreign governments that persecute religious minorities.

Also welcoming President Trump's Religious Freedom Day proclamation was David Curry, president and CEO of Open Doors USA, who says it's a reminder that "more often than not, people in other countries do not have the same freedoms we do here in the U.S."     https://www.onenewsnow.com/persecution/2018/01/19/trump-praised-for-recognizing-religious-freedom-day

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.1  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @10    6 years ago

I hope Brownstain does to religious freedom what he did to the state of Kansas.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.1.2  devangelical  replied to    6 years ago

There, there now. The weather will soon be warm enough to cruise a hog up and down 385 south of Channing looking for strays to alleviate that stress.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
11  charger 383    6 years ago

The only role faith should play is to get out of the way

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
11.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  charger 383 @11    6 years ago

Get out of the way of what exactly?  We will defend religious liberty come what may.  

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
11.1.2  charger 383  replied to  XXJefferson51 @11.1    6 years ago
Get out of the way of what exactly?

out of the way of those who don't want to be bothered by it. we have religious liberty too

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
11.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  charger 383 @11.1.2    6 years ago

No one is forced to believe in anything.  We are all free to have any religious belief or none at all.  No one though is free to silence the free expression of their chosen belief or lack there of or to restrict the free excercise there of of religious beliefs ones religious belief or lack there of.  

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
11.1.4  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  XXJefferson51 @11.1.3    6 years ago

No one is forced to believe in anything.

Correct, they are just expected to accept that certain people are not allowed to be married, that certain people don’t have the right to birth control benefits, or that women have no right to control their bodies.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
11.1.5  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @11.1.3    6 years ago
belief or lack there of or to restrict the free excercise there of of religious beliefs ones religious belief or lack there of

huh? Ranch dressing okay?

Helpful hint - Thereof is actually a word, excercise is not.

 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
11.1.6  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @11.1    6 years ago
We will defend religious liberty come what may.

When has religious liberty ever been threatened? People are free to believe whatever they want or do not want or belong to whatever religion they want or do not want.

No one is forced to believe in anything. We are all free to have any religious belief or none at all.

Then you agree we have religious liberty and it is not being threatened?

No one though is free to silence the free expression of their chosen belief or lack there of or to restrict the free excercise there of of religious beliefs ones religious belief or lack there of.

There are legal limits to religious expression, but not to religious belief. See the difference?

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
12  bbl-1    6 years ago

National Religious What Ever Day on Jan. 16th.  Darn, must have missed it.

Ah well.  Billionaires got their payoff.  Another step closer to forced child birth.  Walking through the door of, "My gawd is offended because I don't like this or that or what ever" 

Should Gorsuch be proclaimed Supreme Leader?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
12.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  bbl-1 @12    6 years ago

Jan. 16 every year is National Day of Of Religious Freedom. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
12.1.1  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @12.1    6 years ago

Happy birtherday.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
12.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @12.1.1    6 years ago

That will occur next January 16.  This year’s event  was the first of an event that will happen annually forever more until the 2nd coming.  

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
12.1.3  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @12.1.2    6 years ago
was the first of an event that will happen annually forever more until the 2nd coming.

Revelations referred to the fall of the Roman Empire.   There is no literal second coming of Jesus.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
12.1.4  devangelical  replied to  epistte @12.1.3    6 years ago

Jesus came back as a Muslim named Amir in 1996. He grew up in a refugee camp, in a nation that we no longer accept immigrants from, so his immigration visa was cancelled. He's pretty fucking pissed off now.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
12.1.5  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @12.1.2    6 years ago
That will occur next January 16. This year’s event was the first of an event that will happen annually forever more until the 2nd coming.

I'll be sure to forget and/or not care.

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
12.1.6  epistte  replied to  devangelical @12.1.4    6 years ago

I disgaree,

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