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Russia probe: House intel Republicans end investigation, find 'no evidence' of collusion

  

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Via:  vic-eldred  •  6 years ago  •  196 comments

Russia probe: House intel Republicans end investigation, find 'no evidence' of collusion



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WASHINGTON — Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee called an end on Monday to their year-long investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 election, concluding that there was "no evidence of collusion, coordination, or conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russians."

The probe was ended over the objections of Democrats, who charged that key documents and testimony still have not been obtained.

Republicans said they agreed with the U.S. intelligence community's January 2017 report that Russia tried to interfere in the U.S. presidential election, but did not agree that the Russians were trying to help Donald Trump defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton.

The GOP majority on the House panel will show its 150-page draft report to Democrats on Tuesday before seeking approval from the full committee to release it to the public. Democrats plan to write a separate report that will likely conclude there is strong evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin.



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The investigation's abrupt end underscores the   bitter partisan divide   that has plagued the committee's work. And it increases pressure on the collegial Senate Intelligence Committee to come out with a credible bipartisan report from its own Russia probe.
"The House Majority has announced it is terminating the Russia investigation, leaving to others the important work of determining the full extent of Russian interference in our election, the role of U.S. persons connected to the Trump campaign in that intervention, possible efforts to obstruct the investigation by the President and most important, what needs to be done to protect the country going forward," Rep. Adam Schiff of California, the senior Democrat on the House panel, said Monday night.
Schiff said Republicans were under great pressure to end the investigation of a GOP president.
"It is nonetheless another tragic milestone for this Congress, and represents yet another capitulation to the executive branch," Schiff said. "By ending its oversight role in the only authorized investigation in the House, the Majority has placed the interests of protecting the President over protecting the country, and history will judge its actions harshly."

Rep. Mike Conaway, R-Texas, who led the Russia investigation for the House Republicans, said the panel conducted 73 witness interviews, held nine hearings and briefings, and reviewed over 300,000 documents.
He said the probe focused on: Russian interference in the 2016 election, the government's response, links between Russians and both the Trump and Clinton campaigns, and the purported leaks of classified information.
"We are confident that we have thoroughly investigated the agreed-upon parameters, and developed reliable initial findings and recommendations," Conaway said.
While Republicans discovered no evidence of collusion, an outline of their draft report says they found Russian cyber attacks on U.S. political institutions in 2015-16, the use of social media by Russians to sow discord in America, a pattern of Russian attacks on America's European allies, and a "lackluster" pre-election response by the U.S. government to Russian actions. The "lackluster" comment is a dig at the Obama administration.
The GOP report also will describe "how anti-Trump research made its way from Russian sources to the Clinton campaign" and "problematic contacts between senior Intelligence Community officials and the media" — an apparent reference to alleged leaks.
"Anti-Trump research" refers to a controversial dossier compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele that details alleged ties between Trump and Russians. It was commissioned by an opposition research firm and funded by the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee. 
Republicans began signaling in recent weeks that they were anxious to wrap up the investigation, saying they had explored all the key evidence.
Democrats, meanwhile, have been warning that Republicans were going to end the investigation prematurely, without calling dozens of important witnesses to testify and without forcing many of those who testified to answer crucial questions.
Schiff said Republicans declined to subpoena witnesses to compel them to answer key questions after witnesses refused to do so during their voluntary, closed-door appearances before the committee. Among the witnesses who refused to answer crucial questions: Donald Trump Jr., Attorney General Jeff Sessions, Trump Organization attorney Michael Cohen, former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, and former White House communications director   Hope Hicks .
When former White House chief strategist   Steve Bannon   refused to answer questions even after being subpoenaed, Republicans would not take action to hold him in contempt of Congress, Democrats said.
Schiff said Republicans have also refused Democrats' requests to subpoena vital documents, including financial and communications records that could verify or refute witness testimony.
"If the Russians do have leverage over the President of the United States, the Majority has simply decided it would rather not know," Schiff said.
The committee's traditional bipartisanship began unraveling in the spring of last year, when Chairman Devin Nunes, R-Calif., took a secret trip to the White House grounds to review information gathered by unnamed sources purporting to show that President Trump was under surveillance by the Obama administration during the 2016 campaign.



At a news conference after his trip, Nunes told reporters that he had discovered evidence to support the president's claim that he was wiretapped at Trump Tower. However, the Justice Department confirmed in a court filing in September that there was no evidence that Trump Tower was targeted for surveillance.
Nunes temporarily stepped aside from the Russia investigation last April when the House Ethics Committee announced that it was investigating whether Nunes violated any laws or congressional rules by disclosing classified information. The Ethics Committee   closed its investigation   of Nunes in December. 
Even while he had stepped aside, Nunes upset Democrats by continuing to issue subpoenas for documents and witnesses. Nunes, who served on the Trump transition team, has focused his own   inquiries   on actions by Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration. Those inquires will now continue, Republicans said Monday.
"Additional follow-on efforts arising from the investigation include oversight of the unmasking of Americans’ names in intelligence reports, FISA (surveillance) abuse, and other matters," according to the outline of the GOP draft memo. Democrats have charged that those efforts are attempts by Republicans to divert attention away from Trump.
The committee's partisan split grew deeper in February, when Republicans released the   "Nunes memo"  alleging that the FBI and Justice Department abused their surveillance authority to target Trump campaign adviser Carter Page in 2016.
Democrats denounced the Nunes memo as a blatant attempt by Trump and House Republicans to discredit special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 election. They released a rebuttal memo a few weeks later.
At one point, Republicans considered erecting a wall in the committee's office to separate GOP and Democratic aides. However, that idea appears to have been scrapped.
In addition to the investigations by the House and Senate intelligence committees, the Senate Judiciary Committee has conducted a more limited probe and is not expected to issue a final report. The most extensive investigation is being run on behalf of the Department of Justice by special counsel Robert Mueller, whose criminal probe is continuing.
"In the coming weeks and months, new information will continue to be exposed through enterprising journalism, indictments by the Special Counsel, or continued investigative work by Committee Democrats and our counterparts in the Senate," Schiff said. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/03/12/russia-probe-house-intel-republicans-end-investigation-despite-dem-protests/411745002/




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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

"Rep. Mike Conaway, R-Texas, who has led the committee’s bipartisan investigation into Russian meddling and potential collusion with Trump campaign associates during the 2016 presidential election, announced Monday that the panel had completed a more than 150-page draft report, with its initial findings and recommendations.

“We have found no evidence of collusion, coordination, or conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russians,” the committee said in a statement Monday.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    6 years ago
“We have found no evidence of collusion, coordination, or conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russians,” the committee said in a statement Monday.

It's amazingly easy to NOT find something when you look with your eyes closed.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    6 years ago

Does that go for Schifty Schiff as well?  How come he could'nt find anything?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    6 years ago
It's amazingly easy to NOT find something when you look with your eyes closed.

Even Schiff admitted TWICE that there was no evidence.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.2    6 years ago
Even Schiff admitted TWICE that there was no evidence.

You're trying to rewrite history again.  Schiff said that they'd found no evidence, he ALSO SAID that they were not trying to find any and the House majority leader refused to subpoena witnesses that could actually provide that evidence.

Schiff lays out Republican efforts to block access in Russia probe

Or is quoting only okay with you if you mis-quote the Democrat and ignore everything else he's said?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    6 years ago
Does that go for Schifty Schiff as well?  How come he could'nt find anything?

Because Republicans were in charge of the investigation and wouldn't allow him to....DUH!!!!

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.5  cjcold  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.4    6 years ago

No surprises here. How is it that Trump supporters can ignore his long history of rape, violence, misogyny, lies, ignorance, bigotry, stupidity, bankruptcies, shady dealing, infidelities, bullying, cowardism and just about every other negative trait a U.S. president shouldn't wallow in as Trump does? 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  cjcold @1.1.5    6 years ago

You exaggerate bigly. But that's exactly the traits we admire about Teflon Don. Besides, he's for the poor and less fortunate and the working stiff, and left wing nut jobs are only for the rich and the powerful elites and illegal aliens.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.7  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.6    6 years ago
Besides, he's for the poor and less fortunate and the working stiff, and left wing nut jobs are only for the rich and the powerful elites and illegal aliens.

Wow, just wow.  You are either seriously off your medication, or bought and paid for.  Care to explain just what Trump has done, solely and purely for the less fortunate or working stiffs?

 
 
 
96WS6
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1.1.8  96WS6  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    6 years ago

Yup, just like the email scandal.  Evidence didn't matter.  Hell in that case even the blatant destruction of evidence didn't matter.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.10  Ozzwald  replied to  96WS6 @1.1.8    6 years ago
Yup, just like the email scandal.  Evidence didn't matter.

Just what the Hell are you blathering about????  There was no evidence because the Republican leader of the investigation refused to look for any.  Nunes was too busy trying to support Trump (and writing random nonsensical memos), he didn't even try to find anything.

 
 
 
sixpick
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1.1.11  sixpick  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    6 years ago
It's amazingly easy to NOT find something when you look with your eyes closed.

It's also amazingly easy to NOT find something when there is nothing to find.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    6 years ago
“We have found no evidence of collusion, coordination, or conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russians,” the committee said in a statement Monday.

They wish!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    6 years ago

'Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee called an end on Monday to their year-long investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 election,'

You left this part out Vic

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.3.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1.3    6 years ago

No meddling found. If you think so, point it out.

 
 
 
lib50
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1.3.2  lib50  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3.1    6 years ago
No meddling found. If you think so, point it out.

Feeling a little embarrassed today?  And did you catch the part where Mueller has subpoenaed Trump Org documents?  Every republican on that committee ought to be questioned for obstruction. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2  seeder  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

Will this end CNN & MSNBC's prime time schedule?


 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    6 years ago
Will this end CNN & MSNBC's prime time schedule?

Nope. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    6 years ago

This investigation has been DOA ever since "chairman" Nunes showed himself to be a Trump lackey by accepting the direction of the White House as his marching orders. 

I can't recall a committee chairman in Congress who lost his reputation so fast and so completely as Nunes did.  Even the ridiculously partisan Darrell Issa , who wanted to conduct endless investigations of Benghazi wasn't the clown that Nunes proved himself to be. 

The GOP report is the fruit of a poison tree and hardly worth the paper it will be written on. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    6 years ago

14 months and they - including the super partisan Schiff turned up nothing! I happen to think the best thing they could do was end the circus. I am glad that there wont be any more leaks coming from Schiff & his staff of cherry picked statements plucked out of testimony given at private closed door sessions.

Amen

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    6 years ago

The majority of the people closest to Trump refused to answer pertinent questions without any legitimate legal basis for doing so.  In itself, the refusal to respond to committee questions makes the result worthless. 

You can dream all you want that this settles something Vic, but it is wasted dreaming. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    6 years ago

You have a point, but that was always a problem with Congressional investigations. They have no power of prosecution. Thus they can be lied to with little consequence.

You can dream all you want that this settles something Vic, but it is wasted dreaming. 

Your'e dreaming too - Dream and I'll dream with you!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    6 years ago
The majority of the people closest to Trump refused to answer pertinent questions without any legitimate legal basis for doing so.

That's how Hillary got off the email scandal.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3    6 years ago
The GOP report is the fruit of a poison tree and hardly worth the paper it will be written on.

Uh, what happened to that Democrat response. It was a headline for only about one day or less.

 
 
 
lib50
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3.2.1  lib50  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2    6 years ago
Uh, what happened to that Democrat response. It was a headline for only about one day or less.

Uh, the republican report hasn't officially been released either, but since it isn't going for fact finding, all they needed is for Nunes to work with Trump (like the past) to release his preferred fake narrative.  Dems are more thorough,  which takes time.  They aren't having Trump write it for them.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4  MrFrost    6 years ago

Well, that's ok. Dems will just start another investigation and start over. No biggie, and I know the republicans will be fine with it. Why? They investigated benghazi 9 times, so....dems can investigate this 8 more times before the repubs can even start to complain. Fair is fair!!! 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @4    6 years ago
Well, that's ok. Dems will just start another investigation and start over.

Is that a prediction? You're going to win the House in the fall. You need to hold your own and gain 24 seats. Good luck

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    6 years ago
Good luck

Thanks... We won't need it but thanks. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5  MrFrost    6 years ago

So republicans found nothing wrong with a republican doing something wrong. Something that has helped them further their pathetic agenda.. Wow, I am soooooooooo shocked! /sarc 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @5    6 years ago

Not just Republicans, dems couldn't find anything either

 
 
 
Skrekk
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5.1.1  Skrekk  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    6 years ago
Not just Republicans, dems couldn't find anything either

Wrong.  The Dems aren't signing on to the GOP's report.

The House committee had no credibility anyway after it was clear that Nunes was running interference for Trump.     Only the Senate intel committee investigation has any shred of credibility and that's been clear ever since Nunes refused to recuse himself.

 
 
 
Krishna
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5.1.2  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    6 years ago
dems couldn't find anything either

You realize, of course, that that is not a true fact-- but rather it is an "alternative fact"?

 
 
 
Randy
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5.1.3  Randy  replied to  Krishna @5.1.2    6 years ago

I think that Kellyanne Conway is an "alternative women". The kind who has been irritating and mouthy and saying all kinds of wrong and stupid shit at the bar all night long and has driven off just about every other man, but what the hell it's 1am and the bartender is about to call "Last Call" and it's cold in your apartment and she does have a nice ass, so....

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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5.1.4  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Randy @5.1.3    6 years ago
 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1.9  Greg Jones  replied to  Krishna @5.1.2    6 years ago
dems couldn't find anything either

So please tell us what the dumb Dems found.

 
 
 
Randy
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5.1.11  Randy  replied to    6 years ago
Start with the person in the mirror.

I love the person in the mirror. He's a great guy!

 
 
 
Randy
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5.1.12  Randy  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.1.4    6 years ago
Butter face!

That's what the rear entry position was meant for and I did say she has a nice ass....and I freely admit that I am a pathetic sucker for a nice ass!!!winking

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.13  Tessylo  replied to  Krishna @5.1.2    6 years ago

She looks like a meth whore who was ridden hard and put away wet.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.14  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Skrekk @5.1.1    6 years ago
The House committee had no credibility anyway after it was clear that Nunes was running interference for Trump.

Actually Nunes helped uncover the FISA abuse and most likely a new investigation 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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5.1.15  Skrekk  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.14    6 years ago
Actually Nunes helped uncover the FISA abuse and most likely a new investigation

LOL.   The only things Nunes has done are helped Trump obstruct justice and unwittingly confirmed that the FBI's investigation of Trump's collusion with Russia started months before the FISA warrant on Carter Page.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.16  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Skrekk @5.1.15    6 years ago

Not according to James Comey. Which is it?

 
 
 
Spikegary
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5.1.17  Spikegary  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.1.4    6 years ago

Have to concur with MUVA.........Deleted CoC violation [SP]

 
 
 
Krishna
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5.1.18  Krishna  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.1.4    6 years ago
Butter face!

She's an idiot...but her face is ugly.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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6  MrFrost    6 years ago

So this investigation never interviewed Gates, Popadopalous, Flynn or Manafort and never said a word to the ranking Dem on the intel committee? Um... That seems pretty fucking odd. Almost like they found something and they want to bury it as quickly as possible. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @6    6 years ago
So this investigation never interviewed Gates, Popadopalous, Flynn or Manafort and never said a word to the ranking Dem on the intel committee?

Did they call in Peter Strzok or Lisa Page or Bruce Orr or Christopher Steele ?  There were lots of people who didnt give testimony and many more who did. 14 months it went on. No collusion, BUT there was medlling by the Russians. That means the 3 Intell agencies (NOT 17) were correct!

Case Closed.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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6.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    6 years ago

So they didn't call anyone that actually mattered... Case closed? Not by a long shot. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @6.1.1    6 years ago
So they didn't call anyone that actually mattered

If it were up to Adam Schiff, they would have called everyone in the phone book. "Elections have consequences'! :)

 
 
 
Krishna
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6.1.3  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    6 years ago
Case Closed.

Nope.

You are wrong again.

The entire case will be closed when the Mueller Investigation is complete-- and not before. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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6.1.5  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    6 years ago
Did they call in Peter Strzok or Lisa Page or Bruce Orr or Christopher Steele ?

Is there some reason they should? 

 
 
 
lib50
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6.1.6  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    6 years ago
Case Closed.

Lol, not even.  You do realize the Nunes farce was just a sideshow?   The real investigation has sitting grand juries and is very active and ongoing! And the senate intel investigation is still happening.  Fake news is not your friend.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @6.1.3    6 years ago
The entire case will be closed when the Mueller Investigation is complete

And i'll be looking for a few of you when that day comes, if we all live that long

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.8  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @6.1.5    6 years ago

I believe so. BTW Sessions is reviewing a recommendation from the FBI’s Office of Professional Responsibility that McCabe should be fired immediately for misleading Justice Department officials.

That means no pension for the man who launched the spying on the Trump campaign

 
 
 
Krishna
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6.1.9  Krishna  replied to  NORMAN-D @6.1.4    6 years ago

B I N G O !!!

P A R C H E E S I!!!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @6.1.6    6 years ago
You do realize the Nunes farce was just a sideshow?

You mean what Schiff did to it?   Like badgering witnesses and leaking information from people in the middle of an investigation?  

We all got a little tired of the antics of the democrats and their allies in the media.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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7  MrFrost    6 years ago

And meanwhile... Muller is still investigating away... LOL Trump is screwed...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @7    6 years ago

Want to bet?

 
 
 
MrFrost
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7.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1    6 years ago

Has Mueller announced that his investigation is over? I haven't heard that. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @7.1.1    6 years ago

It's not - but you said "Trump is screwed"

AGAIN - Want to bet?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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7.1.3  Raven Wing  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.2    6 years ago

Yep. He is his own worst enemy. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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7.1.4  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.2    6 years ago

I only bet with honorable folk. Pretty sure that Trump and his crew are all looking at prison time.

 
 
 
Randy
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7.1.5  Randy  replied to  cjcold @7.1.4    6 years ago

I think they are too. I don't think Trump will because he'll get the former President/Rich Man exemption, but I can see several of those who worked with him and a few working with him now doing some soft time at a Federal Country Club somewhere. I see some like Manafort doing some hard time unless he flips.

Trump will get the less then Nixon treatment. He will be treated in his "retirement"  if he leaves a head of timer voluntarily (mostly likely) or is pushed out (I would be happier with the former, but happy either way, but one or the other will happen), as a pariah except by a pitiful pathetic handful of hardheaded followers for the rest of his life. Prediction, they will only televise his funeral on cable, not network like they would for any other former President. FOX will make a big deal out of it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  cjcold @7.1.4    6 years ago

No, you know better

 
 
 
Spikegary
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7.1.8  Spikegary  replied to  MrFrost @7.1.1    6 years ago

Oh come on, like something wouldn't have leaked out if anything was truly found?  Please.  In this day and age?  No one is foolish enough to believe they would be able to keep anything (or want to) like that secret.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  MrFrost @7    6 years ago
LOL Trump is screwed...

You think there is more.laughing dude

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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7.2.1  Raven Wing  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.2    6 years ago

Yep. A lot more coming. Muller has not ended his investigation yet, and there are still a lot of people in the long list he already has who have agreed to cooperate and to come clean. 

You obviously are not that familiar with the way the law works, or how investigations work. It is not as simple as you obviously think. If you think it is the end, you may be in for a very big surprise. 

Muller is not working for the Republican party or Trump or his political position like the Republicans in Congress are. So he is not afraid to put people under oath.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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7.2.2  Raven Wing  replied to  Raven Wing @7.2.1    6 years ago

Also, in case you haven't read it yet;

" House Intel Republican contradicts panel, says Russia tried to help Trump in 2016"

Source: 

No....it is NOT over with yet. It says a lot when even one of your own refutes what other party members try to hide.

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.2.3  Krishna  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.2    6 years ago
You think there is more

I wouldn't be surprised if there is more.. a lot more.

But as of today-- how many indictments, if any, has Mueller's "Witch-hunt" had? How many "witches" have actually plead guilty-- does anyone know?

 
 
 
cjcold
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7.2.4  cjcold  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.2    6 years ago

I know there is much more. 19 criminal indictments and more Trump shithead fascist criminals to meet justice. Mueller is just getting started at draining the swamp.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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7.2.6  Greg Jones  replied to  Raven Wing @7.2.1    6 years ago

Mueller is working towards finding the TRUTH. That's why Trump has nothing to worry about. We will find out in a few weeks, as this should be wrapped up before the midterms.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7.2.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  cjcold @7.2.4    6 years ago
I know there is much more. 19 criminal indictments and more Trump shithead fascist criminals to meet justice.

And not a single one of them are for the collusion.  You have what 13 / 14 Russians, Flynn on a completely UNRELATED "charges", Manafort on a completely UNRELATED "charges" and a few others on UNRELATED "charges".  14 Months and he come up with ZERO.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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7.2.9  Raven Wing  replied to  NORMAN-D @7.2.5    6 years ago

Oh yes.....do tell. I already read it, long before anything here on NT was ever posted about it. However, I have also read the other side of the story as well that refutes the lie that Russia had nothing to do with it.  What did they really expect to find when they never put any of the people they questioned under oath? Only what they wanted to hear and call if good enough.

And no.....it is not because I don't like Trump, which I don't, but, because I come from a long line of law enforcement, and working as a paralegal for three Criminal law firms. 

Go peddle your Trump worship to those who are willing to buy it. I'm not. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7.2.10  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  NORMAN-D @7.2.7    6 years ago
The poison of hate is strong with this group.

This should be further proof that they cannot accept the reality of Trump being President.  They screamed that he would be out of office before the 6 month mark.  All the claims that he's a racist have been shown as false, the claim of collusion with Russia was shown to be false, they exposed the corruption at the higher levels of the FBI (notice how THEY are no longer employed there?), and exposed that Meuller himself is part of the Uranium One situation that the FBI is looking into.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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7.2.11  Raven Wing  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.2.10    6 years ago

The poison is not near as venomous at that of the right. They have no interest in constructive dialog, only making personal and party attacks and denigrating those they disagree with. They seem to forget that this is NT, not NV. But, once they've sunk to the gutter, I guess it is hard to climb out of it. And of course, the desire to do so seems to be lacking as well.

 
 
 
Explorerdog
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7.2.12  Explorerdog  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.2.8    6 years ago

I guess he is in constant contact with you to give updates. Collusion in and of itself is not a crime or at least it is the small potato variety, trump is looking at conspiracy, money laundering, and possibly treason so the collusion part would be getting a parking ticket during your bank heist. There is trouble on the horizon and a little rain it is not. Where are those pesky tax returns that he is so incredibly protective of? Mueller most likely already has them.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.2.13  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Raven Wing @7.2.1    6 years ago
Muller is not working for the Republican party or Trump or his political position

That's true, he's independent. We should have had him for the past 8 years to investigate the IRS, Fast & Furious and the Clinton e-mail scandal

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.2.14  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Raven Wing @7.2.9    6 years ago
I have also read the other side of the story as well that refutes the lie that Russia had nothing to do with it.

Russia did meddle (our 3 intell agencies agree). However there has never been any evidence of collusion with the Trump campaign. 

Those are 2 separate issues. Do you have the ability to separate the two?  Or is it all about getting Trump?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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7.2.15  Raven Wing  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.14    6 years ago

As they say....the proof is in the pudding, and the pudding has not fully set yet. Trying to deny that there was no collusion before Mueller's investigation and all the witnesses, including Trump, has been questioned, under oath, and all the facts have been presented, is a bit presumptuous. 

Although, I can fully understand the need for those on the right to continue to insist there was no collusion before all the facts have been laid out on the table. Like Trump, it makes them feel good to think that way, and as long as they can think that way it makes their world a happier place for them.

However, to prejudge the innocence of the parties involved before all the facts are known is something they always like to do when it is one of their own. Yet, if it was Obama whose innocence was questioned, they would be totally incensed and calling for him to be tarred and feathered and immediately impeached and thrown in jail.  You know their mantra.......Lock Him Up!! Lock Him UP!!!!  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.2.16  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Raven Wing @7.2.15    6 years ago
As they say....the proof is in the pudding, and the pudding has not fully set yet. Trying to deny that there was no collusion before Mueller's investigation and all the witnesses, including Trump, has been questioned, under oath, and all the facts have been presented, is a bit presumptuous.

Yet, the Mueller investigation has to this very day failed to produce evidence of collusion, at least by Trump. There is evidence of collusion on the part of the Clinton campaign, but Mueller is ignoring it. He has broadened the investigation in all directions, but wont go near the Clinton campaign, his own FBI or Obama's Justice department. Why is that?

Although, I can fully understand the need for those on the right to continue to insist there was no collusion before all the facts have been laid out on the table.

And how many years will Mueller need for that, considering he has every conversation, e-mail and even witnesses willing to cooperate?  Why cant he seem to make the charge of collusion?

You may be one of the few liberals who still believes in Trump Collusion. The rest of your mates freely admit they know there was none, yet they want to nail him on something, anything! Perhaps it's time for you to add honesty as a virtue and admit the truth.

 
 
 
Spikegary
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7.2.17  Spikegary  replied to  Raven Wing @7.2.2    6 years ago

So, firstr you say the Repubs are in collusion with Trump, then you say they aren't?  Well, you certainly have convinced me......of nothing.

 
 
 
Spikegary
Junior Quiet
7.2.18  Spikegary  replied to  Krishna @7.2.3    6 years ago

To anything remotely related to the mission statement of his investigation?

None.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7.2.19  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Explorerdog @7.2.12    6 years ago
trump is looking at conspiracy, money laundering, and possibly treason so the collusion part would be getting a parking ticket during your bank heist.

So that is the conspiracy theory this week?  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
9  Jeremy Retired in NC    6 years ago

This will send the left into a raging temper tantrum.  

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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9.1  Raven Wing  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9    6 years ago

Not near as much as the right. You are all counting your chicks before the eggs have even been laid. The Republican investigation means nothing, just a lot of smoke and mirrors to satisfy their minions. What Mueller finds when his investigation will be what really matters to the majority of the American people, and our allies. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Raven Wing @9.1    6 years ago
You are all counting your chicks before the eggs have even been laid.

You would think.  But we weren't making the claim that he would be forced from office in 6 months.  It's been 14 months now and you still don't have sh!t.

The Republican investigation means nothing, just a lot of smoke and mirrors to satisfy their minions.

I wouldn't say that.  The FBI (the part that ISN'T Clinton cronies or Democrat partisan hacks) is looking into the Uranium One and the email problem again.  Meuller's investigation also exposed the corruption in the Democrat use of the FISA court and the Clinton cronies / Democrat partisan hacks running the FBI.  (It's funny that most of them are no longer working for the FBI.)

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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9.1.3  Raven Wing  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.2    6 years ago
You would think.

Not just me, there are even many Republicans who are not buying into the con job the Republicans are trying to pass of as fact. When members of your own party who are in the know openly refute what has been passed off as fact, that really speaks volumes. 

Try again. Next.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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9.1.4  Raven Wing  replied to  NORMAN-D @9.1.1    6 years ago

Remember that you said that when the real facts are presented to the public. You are so blinded by party loyalty that nothing you say can be taken seriously. 

Buzz off. I have no interest in what you say. 

 
 
 
Explorerdog
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9.1.5  Explorerdog  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.2    6 years ago

Mueller is investigating the co-conspirators that have had decades of perfecting their espionage and infiltration techniques, they do however have the complicit comrade that is quite the bumbling idiot in chief that doesn't know when to shut his mouth and is leaving a trail of verbal diarrhea for the investigation to follow. Eight years scandal free and 14 months of scandal a day, you should be proud. 

 
 
 
Spikegary
Junior Quiet
9.1.6  Spikegary  replied to  Raven Wing @9.1    6 years ago
What Mueller finds when his investigation will be what really matters to the majority of the American people, and our allies.

When you are angry, you should re-read before pressing the 'post your comment' button.  I know you have a better grasp of the English language than what you posted.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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9.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Spikegary @9.1.6    6 years ago

'When you are angry, you should re-read before pressing the 'post your comment' button.  I know you have a better grasp of the English language than what you posted.'

It made perfect sense to me.  What's got your panties all up in a wad?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Explorerdog @9.1.5    6 years ago
Mueller is investigating the co-conspirators

Because, as the article states, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE.  So they feel they have to justify the farce with unrelated charges.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.1.9  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Raven Wing @9.1.4    6 years ago
"Buzz off."

I try, RW, believe me I try.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.1.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Raven Wing @9.1    6 years ago
What Mueller finds when his investigation will be what really matters to the majority of the American people, and our alli

And what will that be?

 
 
 
cjcold
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9.2  cjcold  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9    6 years ago

This independent centrist hopes your head wound eventually heals.

 
 
 
Randy
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9.3  Randy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9    6 years ago

The Left does not have "raging temper tantrums" especially over news this small (though some on the right seems to think we do because it gives them some sort of warm, fuzzy feeling for some kinky, weird reason?). We certainly never expect Nunes to produce anything against Trump and he didn't disappoint us. Of course the Senate Intelligence Committee headed by Senator Richard Burr and Senator Mark Warner go on unimpeded. The Left does not have "raging temper tantrums" because Robert Mueller, who is not Left nor Right, gets up every day and picks up his briefcase, goes to his office, staffed by some of the best Prosecuting Attorneys ever assembled into one place and they keep on deposing witnesses and making plea deals, following leads and assembling a case that is, by all accounts, tightening tighter and tighter around Trump's neck, Don Jr's' neck and the neck of Jared Kushner, especially in the area of money laundering and illegal banking loans. Mueller is circling closer and closer to Trump and Trump feels his breath on his neck and there really is nothing politically viable that Trump can do about it.

If anyone on the Right thinks this exonerates or saves Trump in any manner, well that is laughable and hilarious! This is not even a very small speed bump in this investigation.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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9.3.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Randy @9.3    6 years ago
by all accounts, tightening tighter and tighter around Trump's neck, Don Jr's' neck and the neck of Jared Kushner, especially in the area of money laundering and illegal banking loans. Mueller is circling closer and closer to Trump and Trump feels his breath on his neck and there really is nothing politically viable that Trump can do about it.

What accounts are those? Isn't this just wishful thinking and a vivid imagination working overtime prompting such silly statements?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.3.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Randy @9.3    6 years ago
The Left does not have "raging temper tantrums" especially over news this small

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.  

The Left does not have "raging temper tantrums" because Robert Mueller, who is not Left nor Right,

Nice try.  He's just another one of Clinton's cronies.

staffed by some of the best Prosecuting Attorneys ever assembled into one place and they keep on deposing witnesses and making plea deals, following leads 

Staffed by some of the best Clinton related attorneys.  And making plea deals for completely UNRELATED bullshit.  Meuller's team was to investigate the possiblity of collusion between President Trump and Russia.  They found NONE regardeing Trump, but found some regarding Clinton (wonder why he hasn't moved to indict her.... OH that's right, because he is implicated in it).  

He's selectively following leads.  If he followed EVERY lead we'd see indictments on most of the former leadership of the FBI, Clinton and himself.  

Mueller is circling closer and closer...

And he might just catch his own tail.  At this point that's all he's doing.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.3.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Randy @9.3    6 years ago
The Left does not have "raging temper tantrums"

No?  How about leftists "screaming at the sky" on the anniversary of the election"




 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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10  Sean Treacy    6 years ago

The investigation had to end. First, it obviously wasn't going to invent evidence of collusion, so once it became clear none existed, it's purpose ended.

Second, you can't perform an investigation when the leader of the minority party immediately leaks and mischaracterizes information to the press in order to keep his crazy base satiated for a newscycle.  . See for instance chiff changed the date on an email Trump Jr. received to make it look like he received advance warning of the wikileaks dump. But he bought himself a day of favorable coverage by selling his integrity, so I guess it's worth it. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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10.1  Krishna  replied to  Sean Treacy @10    6 years ago
so once it became clear none existed,

Clear to whom? Nunez? Mueller?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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10.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @10.1    6 years ago

Any rational human being.

(I guess that eliminates Brookline & Cambridge) :)

 
 
 
lib50
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10.2  lib50  replied to  Sean Treacy @10    6 years ago
The investigation had to end.

Not Muellers!  Only the Trump Preservation Committee investigation is ending, maybe they will be called in to testify for Mueller too. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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11  Buzz of the Orient    6 years ago

"Democrats plan to write a separate report that will likely conclude there is strong evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin."

What evidence? - show it or shut up.

One day someone's going to write a book about THE UNCIVIL WAR BETWEEN AMERICAN IDEOLOGIES. With the world's greatest proliferation of guns, I'm surprised it hasn't already erupted into massacres (but then, thinking about Las Vegas, maybe it already has).

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
11.1  lib50  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @11    6 years ago
What evidence? - show it or shut up.

Wait for Mueller to finish, his is the only one that counts.  The house Intel Committee will never recover though.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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11.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  lib50 @11.1    6 years ago

Okay, so the Republicans say no collusion, the Democrats say there was collusion.  Who's going to flip the coin?

 
 
 
Skrekk
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11.1.2  Skrekk  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @11.1.1    6 years ago

Neither the Dems or the GOP have any influence in what charges are brought, but Mueller's investigation has expanded to include Drumpf's finances .......and we already know that he's been funded by Russian mobsters since the mid 1990s, after his casino scams and bankruptcies.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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11.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Skrekk @11.1.2    6 years ago

Really?

What are their names and how much financing have they provided?

And how did you find this out?

 
 
 
Skrekk
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11.1.4  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.3    6 years ago

LOL.   You obviously haven't been paying attention, particularly since some of this was given in open testimony in Congress....and Trump even went so far as to fire the US attorney who was investigating Russian mob connections to his Trump SoHo enterprise, and Ireland is currently investigating the Russian mobsters who funded Trump's golf course in Ireland..

Heck, Don Jr even admitted that all their money comes from Russia since no legitimate bank is willing to loan to Trump.     "In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets".

.

The good news is that Mueller is finally getting around to following the money.    No wonder your Fuhrer is freaking out.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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11.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Skrekk @11.1.4    6 years ago

Lots of "maybes" and "allegations" and "Perhaps" in those links!

LMAO!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Skrekk @11.1.4    6 years ago

I don't have a Fuhrer. Never have had one.

Why on God's Green Earth would you think I had one?

That is ludicrous AT BEST and downright stupid at worst.

 
 
 
lib50
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11.1.7  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.5    6 years ago

Today's news.  Every day another problem.  This isn't getting better and going away because they have found things.   We will know what was found when he's done.  They are following the money for one.

The subpoena is the latest indication that the investigation, which Mr. Trump’s lawyers once regularly assured him would be completed by now, will continue for at least several more months. Word of the subpoena came as Mr. Mueller appears to be broadening his inquiry to examine the role foreign money may have played in funding Mr. Trump’s political activities. In recent weeks, Mr. Mueller’s investigators have questioned witnesses, including an adviser to the United Arab Emirates , about the flow of Emirati money into the United States.

Mr. Mueller has already indicted 13 Russians and three companies accused of meddling in the 2016 presidential campaign, and on Thursday, the Trump administration included them in sanctions it leveled at Moscow as punishment for interference in the campaign and “malicious cyberattacks.”

 
 
 
Texan1211
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11.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @11.1.7    6 years ago

So yet another "perhaps" or "maybe"?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  Skrekk @11.1.4    6 years ago

never saw any mention of a dollar figure--maybe you can find it in your links for me.

Or just tell me--since you know and all.

 
 
 
Rmando
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12  Rmando    6 years ago

Russia collusion has officially become the Benghazi/ birther/ Pizzagate of the left.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
12.1  Raven Wing  replied to  Rmando @12    6 years ago

And the right sure did enjoy their frenzies of Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi!!!! for how many years now, when there was no evidence of wrong doing by Hillary. The right STILL brings that up when they have nothing else to defend their own claims. 

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
12.2  cjcold  replied to  Rmando @12    6 years ago

Except Russian collusion is reality. That's the difference.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
12.2.2  MrFrost  replied to  NORMAN-D @12.2.1    6 years ago
If only BO had done something about it,

He did. But if you want to go down that road, why hasn't trumpy enacted those sanctions on russia that congress passed...6 months ago? Weird huh? 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
12.2.3  MrFrost  replied to  NORMAN-D @12.2.1    6 years ago
Correct.....they colluded with Clinton, Comey, Schiff & McCain.

To help trump win? SMH.. laughing dude

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
13  Krishna    6 years ago

Russia Probe: House Intel Republicans End Investigation, Find 'No Evidence' Of Collusion

And of course, as everyone knows, the Republicans (who control the Committee)  are totally unbiased!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
15  Sean Treacy    6 years ago

Richard Burr, the head of the much less partisan Senate investigation told CNN yesterday:

He’s seen “NO” evidence of collusion yet and no evidence yet to substantiate 2017 IC assessment that Putin sought to aid Trump. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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15.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Sean Treacy @15    6 years ago

Yep, that little thingy called "viable evidence" has seemed to be lacking from the very beginning.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
15.2  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @15    6 years ago

It's less partisan how? 

 
 
 
Randy
Sophomore Participates
15.3  Randy  replied to  Sean Treacy @15    6 years ago
He’s seen “NO” evidence of collusion yet

YET. The right always forgets that word at the end. You can be sure Mueller has.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
16  Dismayed Patriot    6 years ago

So would all these Trump supporters have felt the same if a Democrat committee had cleared Hillary of any wrongdoing in the Benghazi attack or the email scandal before the Republican committee had agreed? Here they are cheering this partisan finding as if it's solid evidence nothing happened, yet they continue to believe Hillary is some deep state criminal even though it was multiple partisan Republican investigations that cleared her of any wrongdoing. The hypocrisy of conservative Republicans knows no bounds.

 
 
 
96WS6
Junior Quiet
17  96WS6    6 years ago

It's  all just too funny.russia hillary.jpg russia hillary3.jpg russiams hillary2.jpg

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
17.1  lib50  replied to  96WS6 @17    6 years ago

I keep waiting for that day you can all just quit Hillary.  It is taking a lot of time, do you find it comforting to nestle back into her bosom when Trump is threatened by his Russian problems?  Wait til you have to deal with the money laundering.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
17.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @17.1    6 years ago
I keep waiting for that day you can all just quit Hillary.

That will be the day when she shuts her foul mouth. Your fellow democrats want her to go away.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
18  A. Macarthur    6 years ago

I wonder if some Republican members of Congress accepted Russian campaign and other money in possible quid-pro-quo deals that helped Russian operatives to target American voter demographics via social media bots and phony accounts.

It's your country TRUMP-SYCOPHANTS … to go along with this obvious sham to protect the "Jess Willard" agenda and consequently, Russian influence over American Democracy, is a "badge-of-honor" for haters who have their champion.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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18.1  Raven Wing  replied to  A. Macarthur @18    6 years ago

It would not surprise me at all.  If they were really interested in fact finding, they would have questioned the people under oath. Otherwise, it holds nothing more than to say what they wanted to hear and called it good. That is not how it should be done, and they very well know it too.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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18.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  A. Macarthur @18    6 years ago

I wonder if some democrats did that.  Putin loved Bernie!

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
18.2.1  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @18.2    6 years ago
Putin loved Bernie!

Because Putin hates Hillary, he pushed Bernie to screw up Hillary and help Trump. 

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
19  A. Macarthur    6 years ago

https://dallasnews.imgix.net/1513350540-Trump_russia_hero-(1).jpg?auto=format%2Cenhance&crop=faces%2Centropy&fit=crop&q=40&or=0" class="js-art-banner__image art-banner__image same lazyautosizes lazyloaded" data-sizes="auto" alt="" data-src=".jpg?auto=format%2Cenhance&crop=faces%2Centropy&fit=crop&q=40&or=0&w=1205&h=647" src=" .jpg?auto=format%2Cenhance&crop=faces%2Centropy&fit=crop&q=40&or=0&w=1205&h=647" sizes="1205px" width="669" height="359">
The Dallas Morning News

How Putin's proxies helped funnel millions into GOP campaigns

  DEC 15
Connect with Ruth May

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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19.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  A. Macarthur @19    6 years ago

Millions against Billions!

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
19.1.1  A. Macarthur  replied to  Vic Eldred @19.1    6 years ago

BY RUSSIANS THROUGH THE NRA …

Note the significance and cease being the apologist.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
19.1.2  lib50  replied to  A. Macarthur @19.1.1    6 years ago
BY RUSSIANS THROUGH THE NRA

This HAS to be part of Mueller's investigation,  we must end this dark money coming into our elections.  End Citizen's United!  And flip the narrative on NRA money and support.  It's already beginning.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
19.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @19.1.2    6 years ago

Citizens United has already been decided by the courts. Deal with it.

Hillary and CO. certainly seemed to adapt to the rules QUITE well, as she figured out ways to get even MORE money funneled to her campaign.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
19.1.4  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @19.1.3    6 years ago
Citizens United has already been decided by the courts. Deal with it.

We are, by voting against candidates who won't pass legislation to change it.  Then republicans can deal with it.  That's how it works.  I'd really like to know why you think all that money (including dark secret money, unsourced), is a good thing for our democracy.  Why should a corporation be treated like a person when it suits, but protected in ways people are not when it doesn't suit?  Why is is more important for republicans to protect the elite class, but spurn protections for consumers and regular Americans? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
19.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @19.1.4    6 years ago

If money was so horrible, as Dems love to claim, why didn't Hillary win? She FAR outspent Trump.

There goes the theory money buys elections.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
19.1.6  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @19.1.5    6 years ago

You didn't even attempt to answer the question, why?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
19.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @19.1.6    6 years ago

Which one?

The SC has ruled.

Whether we like it or not, it is a fact.

Opinions (ours) mean nothing in comparison to what the SC rules.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
19.1.8  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  A. Macarthur @19.1.1    6 years ago

Significance of what?  The msm's daily assault on candidate Trump overshadowed anything the Russians did.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
20  Raven Wing    6 years ago

It has been known for many years that there are those on both sides of the aisle who can be, and mostly are, bought for the right price. However, it has only been in recent years that they have expanded to being bought by those outside of the US. And they are those who spew the mantra of "America First" the loudest. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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20.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Raven Wing @20    6 years ago
And they are those who spew the mantra of "America First" the loudest.

Bill Clinton?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
20.1.1  Raven Wing  replied to  Vic Eldred @20.1    6 years ago

What? You have nothing of any substance to counter what I said other than bringing Bill Clinton up again? And that is only your own opinion.

Geeezzzz......why is it when the right has nothing to defend their side with they resort to bringing up Obama, Michelle, Hillary, Bill Clinton, Uranium, Benghazi or any other nonsense to try to cover up the fact that they have nothing of value to respond with?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
20.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Raven Wing @20.1.1    6 years ago
'or any other nonsense to try to cover up the fact that they have nothing of value to respond with?'

Give this lady a prize.  You just hit the nail on the head.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
20.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Raven Wing @20.1.1    6 years ago
And that is only your own opinion.

Yup, Just like what you said is nothing but your opinion

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
20.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @20.1.2    6 years ago

You get a prize too. Come on out and join the conversation.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
21  A. Macarthur    6 years ago

Russia likely is responsible for the recent poisoning and likely imminent deaths of two individuals in the U.K.! And Trump has equivocated and failed to join its NATO ally in condemning the perpetrator-Putin Operative.

WHAT KIND OF F'N FOOL, SO-CALLED, SELF-ASCRIBED "AMERICAN PATRIOT" MOCKS THOSE WHO WANT TO GET ALL INFORMATION RE:RUSSIAN MEDDLING AND CONSPIRATORIAL ACTIONS AGAINST AMERICA?

The fear of the likely demise of their "Jess Willard"-idol … TRUMPS all reason

What if the POISONINGS/MURDERS begin here as those who connect the TRUMP-RUSSIA DOTS GET TOO CLOSE TO CONNECTING THEM ALL!!!???

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
21.1  Raven Wing  replied to  A. Macarthur @21    6 years ago

And the closer the dots connect the louder and more viral the right will try to defend their God, who does not give a ratz azz about putting America First as much as he does his golf courses at the taxpayers expense. Far more than Obama ever did, and Trump used to dondemn Obama for his golf games.

As of October 14, 2017

Taxpayer dollars spend on vacations, golf and personal security while not at the White house for Barack, Michelle, Malia and Sasha

$98,000,000.00 over 8 years or $1,020,833.33 per month

Taxpayer dollars spend on vacations, golf and personal security while not at the White house for Donald, Melania and Barron

$147,000,000.00 over 9 months or $16,333,333.33 per month

Not a peep from Conservatives.

Source: 

Trump tweeted on Obama's golf playing:

He tweeted in October 2014: “Can you believe that, with all of the problems and difficulties facing the US, President Obama spent the day playing golf.”

Source: 

PolitiFact is tracking the number of times  Donald Trump  has played golf, compared to  Barack Obama  at the same point of his presidency.  We're tracking all instances that news reporters were able to confirm, through spokespeople or photographic evidence, that Trump or Obama played golf.

The numbers suggest something of a flip-flop for Trump: As of Jan. 19, 2018, the score of confirmed golf outings is Trump 44, Obama 29.
Source: 
Yeah.....MAGA......but first, Trump has to play another round of golf. MAGA can wait, it's not as important. 
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
21.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Raven Wing @21.1    6 years ago
PolitiFact

Politifact is a leftist rag. It twists facts. 

Here is a simple fact: Trump loves this country. Barak Obama did not.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
21.1.2  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @21.1.1    6 years ago
Here is a simple fact: Trump loves this country. Barak Obama did not.

Yep, that would be a fact in Trump fantasyland.  Trump loves Trump, and only Trump.  He has damaged our standing in the world and our institutions.   I can't wait until Trump pays the price for the Russia malfeasance and his attempts to obstruct the truth from coming out.  The shit is moving closer to the fan whether republicans are ready or not.  One has to wonder how many of them will be caught up.  I'll bet on Nunes for one.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
21.1.3  Raven Wing  replied to  Vic Eldred @21.1.1    6 years ago
Here is a simple fact: Trump loves this country. Barak Obama did not.

That is merely YOUR biased opinion. And once again, the deflection of bringing up Obama. Can you turn the record over so we can hear something new for a change. I am sure that there are other Dems the right can come up with to complain about. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
21.1.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Raven Wing @21.1.3    6 years ago
I am sure that there are other Dems the right can come up with to complain about.

Republicans say the name "Obama" with the same tone and meaning that they used to say the word "N&^%*r". It's now become a code word for them to voice their racist opinions while putting on their innocent "Who me?" faces just before they cry "race card" wolf.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
21.1.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @21.1.2    6 years ago
I can't wait until Trump pays the price for the Russia malfeasance and his attempts to obstruct the truth from coming out.  The shit is moving closer to the fan whether republicans are ready or not.

You cant wait to remove a fairly elected President from office, any way you can!

 
 
 
Spikegary
Junior Quiet
21.2  Spikegary  replied to  A. Macarthur @21    6 years ago

Um....psst....Mac....... check here ......thought you had retired to creative arts and photography?

Give credit where it's due.

 
 
 
Spikegary
Junior Quiet
22  Spikegary    6 years ago

But, but, but....he's in the bag for the Russians.....oh wait........ White House backs U.K. Decision

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
22.1  lib50  replied to  Spikegary @22    6 years ago

But interestingly enough, he himself has never condemned it.  That big old mouth that can yap about anything and everything can't bring HIMSELF to say anything negative about Russia and Putin.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
22.2  Tessylo  replied to  Spikegary @22    6 years ago
But, but, but....he's in the bag for the Russians..

Yes he is - little putin's cockholster

 
 
 
Pedro
Professor Participates
23  Pedro    6 years ago

Mueller subpoenas Trump Organization documents in Russia probe

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
23.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Pedro @23    6 years ago

Old news regurgitated. The media is running low on leaks

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
24  Krishna    6 years ago

House Intel Republicans End Investigation

And in other news.....

Mueller Subpoenas Trump Organization, Demanding Documents About Russia

(He could've merely asked to see them-- but instead he actually issued a subpoena!!!)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
24.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @24    6 years ago

Ya, that smells like Weissmann

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Participates
24.2  Skrekk  replied to  Krishna @24    6 years ago
He could've merely asked to see them-- but instead he actually issued a subpoena!!!

I suspect Mueller knows that the shredder at TrumpCo has been working overtime.

 
 

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