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The End Stage Of The Trump Presidency Has Begun

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  johnrussell  •  6 years ago  •  157 comments

The End Stage Of The Trump Presidency Has Begun

"...I am unaware of anybody who has taken a serious look at Trump’s business who doesn’t believe that there is a high likelihood of rampant criminality."

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/michael-cohen-and-the-end-stage-of-the-trump-presidency?mbid=social_facebook

In Azerbaijan, he did business with a likely money launderer for Iran’s Revolutionary Guard. In the Republic of Georgia, he partnered with a group that was being investigated for a possible role in the largest known bank-fraud and money-laundering case in history. In Indonesia, his development partner is “ knee-deep in dirty politics”; there are criminal investigations of his deals in Brazil; the F.B.I. is reportedly looking into his daughter Ivanka’s role in the Trump hotel in Vancouver, for which she worked with a Malaysian family that has admitted to financial fraud. Back home, Donald, Jr., and Ivanka were investigated for financial crimes associated with the Trump hotel in SoHo—an investigation that was halted suspiciously . His Taj Mahal casino received what was then the largest fine in history for money-laundering violations.

Listing all the financial misconduct can be overwhelming and tedious. I have limited myself to some of the deals over the past decade, thus ignoring Trump’s long history of links to New York Mafia figures and other financial irregularities. It has become commonplace to say that enough was known about Trump’s shady business before he was elected; his followers voted for him precisely because they liked that he was someone willing to do whatever it takes to succeed, and they also believe that all rich businesspeople have to do shady things from time to time. In this way of thinking, any new information about his corrupt past has no political salience. Those who hate Trump already think he’s a crook; those who love him don’t care.

I believe this assessment is wrong. Sure, many people have a vague sense of Trump’s shadiness, but once the full details are better known and digested, a fundamentally different narrative about Trump will become commonplace. Remember: we knew a lot about problems in Iraq in May, 2003. Americans saw TV footage of looting and heard reports of U.S. forces struggling to gain control of the entire country. We had plenty of reporting, throughout 2007, about various minor financial problems. Somehow, though, these specific details failed to impress upon most Americans the over-all picture. It took a long time for the nation to accept that these were not minor aberrations but, rather, signs of fundamental crisis. Sadly, things had to get much worse before Americans came to see that our occupation of Iraq was disastrous and, a few years later, that our financial system was in tatters.

The narrative that will become widely understood is that Donald Trump did not sit atop a global empire. He was not an intuitive genius and tough guy who created billions of dollars of wealth through fearlessness. He had a small, sad operation, mostly run by his two oldest children and Michael Cohen, a lousy lawyer who barely keeps up the pretenses of lawyering and who now faces an avalanche of charges, from taxicab-backed bank fraud to money laundering and campaign-finance violations .

Cohen, Donald, Jr., and Ivanka monetized their willingness to sign contracts with people rejected by all sensible partners. Even in this, the Trump Organization left money on the table, taking a million dollars here, five million there, even though the service they provided—giving branding legitimacy to blatantly sketchy projects—was worth far more. It was not a company that built value over decades, accumulating assets and leveraging wealth. It burned through whatever good will and brand value it established as quickly as possible, then moved on to the next scheme.

There are important legal questions that remain. How much did Donald Trump and his children know about the criminality of their partners? How explicit were they in agreeing to put a shiny gold brand on top of corrupt deals? The answers to these questions will play a role in determining whether they go to jail and, if so, for how long.

There is no longer one major investigation into Donald Trump, focussed solely on collusion with Russia. There are now at least two, including a thorough review of Cohen’s correspondence. The information in his office and hotel room will likely make clear precisely how much the Trump family knew. What we already know is disturbing, and it is hard to imagine that the information prosecutors will soon learn will do anything but worsen the picture.

Of course Trump is raging and furious and terrified. Prosecutors are now looking at his core. Cohen was the key intermediary between the Trump family and its partners around the world; he was chief consigliere and dealmaker throughout its period of expansion into global partnerships with sketchy oligarchs. He wasn’t a slick politico who showed up for a few months. He knows everything, he recorded much of it, and now prosecutors will know it, too. It seems inevitable that much will be made public. We don’t know when. We don’t know the precise path the next few months will take. There will be resistance and denial and counterattacks. But it seems likely that, when we look back on this week, we will see it as a turning point. We are now in the end stages of the Trump Presidency.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    6 years ago

Sure, many people have a vague sense of Trump’s shadiness, but once the full details are better known and digested, a fundamentally different narrative about Trump will become commonplace......

We don’t know the precise path the next few months will take. There will be resistance and denial and counterattacks. But it seems likely that, when we look back on this week, we will see it as a turning point. We are now in the end stages of the Trump Presidency.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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1.1  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @1    6 years ago

really? It's already 2023?

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.1.1  bugsy  replied to  livefreeordie @1.1    6 years ago

I think where we really are is the end stage of the sanity of many/most liberals. This seed is just another example of the hatred of something they don't even understand.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  NORMAN-D @1.1.2    6 years ago
They continue to pretend that there is something, anything to hang their pink pussy hats on....when it's obvious there isn't
The Clinton's CRIME MACHINE eclipses Trumps imaginary history by light years.

laughing dude

 
 
 
JBB
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1.1.4  JBB  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.3    6 years ago

Over nine years after it began and well over a year since the gop has controlled all branches of government and despite being practically investigated to death by the gop in Congress exactly ZERO ranking Obama campaign or administration officials have ever ever ever been even indicted for malfeasance in office. That is already untrue in spades, a/k/a trump cards, regarding the current administration but try telling Norman that. Reality plainly has a liberal bias in this situation...

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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1.1.5  A. Macarthur  replied to  livefreeordie @1.1    6 years ago
really? It's already 2023?
Here we have the ultimate "whistling past the grave yard!"
Allow me to explain to the "Jess Willard" sycophants how Trump inadvertently just demonstrated how legally fucked he is.
This past Friday's news …

Trump pardons ex-Cheney aide Scooter Libby

-trump-pardons-scooter-libby/index.html

What it means:

• The obvious "dangling" of pardons for Flynn, Manafort, et al, this in the hope of motivating them to lie to Mueller and subsequently walk free is, in essence, "witness tampering/obstruction of justice."

• If such pardons were actually to be granted, THEY WILL NOT SAVE TRUMP! The reasons …

Anyone who accepts such a pardon does so as a de facto "ADMISSION OF GUILT" as to the very offense(s) for which the pardon is granted!

√ Under such a pardon, THE PARDONED INDIVIDUAL CAN NOT TAKE THE 5TH AMENDMENT IN A SUBSEQUENT, UNDER OATH TESTIMONY TO WHICH HE IS SUBPOENAED!!!!

FYI:

By eliminating whatever advantage his staffers and family members would gain through cooperation with Mueller, Trump would protect himself and other aides against incrimination. But he would also deny the people he pardons the ability to invoke the Fifth Amendment, which allows possible future defendants to decline to answer questions under oath that they feel might incriminate them. Because they would be immune from prosecution, they by definition couldn’t incriminate themselves and thus couldn’t plead the Fifth.

They would have to testify if subpoenaed.

While the pardon power is quite broad under the Constitution, that does not mean that exercises of the pardon power — or promises to grant pardons — cannot be obstructive; like any other lawful act, such as terminating executive branch employees, a pardon could be unlawful if done with the corrupt intent to impede an investigation or influence a witness.”

 

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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1.1.7  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.6    6 years ago
The Obama smoke screen is being blown away and I'm sure many will go down before it's over.

Do let us know how this works out, in the mean time, don't hold your breath waiting.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    6 years ago

I see that you are going to be embarrassed again for spreading false information and unfounded rumors. Nothing alleged in this article is impeachable.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  NORMAN-D @1.3.1    6 years ago

The Deplorables are indifferent to Trump's long standing criminality. We understand that. They are people who find hating liberals and hating Hillary Clinton more fulfilling than realizing what is right in front of their face. You are breaking no news Norman. We know your ilk is a threat to our country. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3    6 years ago

I am not that interested in what is or isnt impeachable. Impeachment is largely voted on party lines. 

Once Trump is exposed as a white collar criminal, which he surely is , he will be unelectable and we will be guaranteed only a couple more years of this idiocracy. 

Trump has never been remotely qualified to be president of the United States, and this fact has to be reinforced on a daily basis, because of the existence of Trumpsters, Deplorables, and other psychological misfits that are propping up this travesty in the White House. 

No one left of center is ignoring that it takes constant attention to fight trumpism. But good will prevail in the end and he will be gone. Hopefully sooner than later. 

 
 
 
nightwalker
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1.3.7  nightwalker  replied to  NORMAN-D @1.3.6    6 years ago

I understand your feeling, in your situation I would probably feel the same. Enjoy your recent victory, project how sad the libs are, because it seems obvious that the end of this little party is coming in sight and 2018 and 2020 will have some nasty whiplash to it. So enjoy it while you can, rub it in hard and project fear and despair at the libs (wishful thinking) as hard as you can. While you still can.

 
 
 
JBB
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2  JBB    6 years ago

We don't know exactly when it will happen so stay prepared for The Official Trump "Liftoff Party"...

 
 
 
lennylynx
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3  lennylynx    6 years ago

If Trump's numbers still hold steady after everything is known about him, it will be a sad, sad commentary on the people of this country.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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3.1  livefreeordie  replied to  lennylynx @3    6 years ago

Yeah you leftists hate that he is restoring America.  10s of millions of Americans like myself are very proud of Trump and the actions he has take to reverse the marxist Fascism of the Democrats and Establishment Republicans.

Trump will easily win re-election in 2020

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1    6 years ago

Doesn't it bother you that Donald Trump is a crook? 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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3.1.2  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    6 years ago

Really?  Where has he ever been charged much less convicted of any crimes?  His policies and actions have been the best since Reagan in reversing the marxist fascism of the Dems and Establishment Republicans

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.2    6 years ago

If Cohen's files show evidence of crooked Trump business dealings , what should Mueller and the New York state prosecutors do? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Release The Kraken @3.1.4    6 years ago

Hillary Clinton hasnt been in the picture since Nov 8, 2016, 17 months ago. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    6 years ago

I thought there was an FBI "taint team" which was segregating all documents not related to the Russia probe?  So what your saying is that is a lie?  And that Mueller has violated the "lawyer/client privilege".  Then you have the Constitutional question of a sitting President being charged with a crime.   Also that kind of result would confirm everything Trump said about the Mueller investigation. It was launched without a crime, on a fraudulent document and then morphed into an obvious search for any kind of wrongdoing by the President.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.8  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.7    6 years ago

Trump has been dirty since long before he ran for president.  The "deplorables" are at fault for what has happened.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.8    6 years ago
Trump has been dirty since long before he ran for president.

You have admitted on another seed that you don't really care how he's removed as long as he's removed.

The "deplorables" are at fault for what has happened.  

No it wasn't millions of decent people, it was Barak Obama and his leftist overreach which caused this

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.10  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.9    6 years ago

A good portion of these deplorables are people who fall for every nutty conspiracy theory they hear on Limbaugh or Hannity or Alex Jones. These people have to be pushed into the national background. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.11  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.10    6 years ago
A good portion of these deplorables are people who fall for every nutty conspiracy theory they hear on Limbaugh or Hannity or Alex Jones.

What conspiracies?

These people have to be pushed into the national background. 

Do you mean take take their right to vote away? 

Or maybe put them into confienment camps?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.12  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.11    6 years ago

Iv'e got it!  We could take all the "deplorables", as Hillary Clinton called them and make them wear white arm bands, take away their rights and take their property. At a later date we ship them off to camps. Then at a later date we could exterminate them!  These are the evil white Christians, right?  No problem - nobody cares about them. And then, just like in the French Revolution we can then go after the liberal whites as well. That would leave lots of property and breathing space for all the good groups.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.13  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.12    6 years ago

Hey, you're making my point for me Vic ! Good job. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.14  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.13    6 years ago

Just taking you at your words, you know, "pushing those "deplorables" into the national background".

You know what, we may not have to do much. They seem to have a shorter lifespan than the good groups. Opioids are taking many of them. Their way of life gone, via globalization and not being a favored group. They truly are the forgotten "deplorables".

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.15  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.10    6 years ago
These people have to be pushed into the national background.

Have your brown shirt starched and pressed do you John?

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.16  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    6 years ago
If

That one word has pretty much summed up every one of your seeds/posts.

Can you point out anything over the past 2 years of accusations either you or any other member of the loony left made of this President that have come true?  Let me help you....NO!!

 
 
 
lib50
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3.1.18  lib50  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.2    6 years ago
Where has he ever been charged much less convicted of any crimes?

Since when does THAT matter to republicans?   You can't expect to have one standard for everybody EXCEPT yourselves!  We are STILL hearing about all of Hillary's 'crimes', that have all been investigated and found NOTHING.  So just stop.  More charges and convictions for Trumpers are in the future, so sit back and enjoy the shitshow.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.19  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.2    6 years ago
Really?  Where has he ever been charged much less convicted of any crimes?

Trump has been sued for fraud over 3,500 times. Is fraud a crime? Yes. You're welcome.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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3.1.22  KDMichigan  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.19    6 years ago
Trump has been sued for fraud over 3,500 times. Is fraud a crime? Yes. You're welcome.

Bullshit. Got proof to prove this out right lie?

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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3.1.23  A. Macarthur  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.2    6 years ago

Really?  Where has he ever been charged much less convicted of any crimes?  His policies and actions have been the best since Reagan in reversing the marxist fascism of the Dems and Establishment Republicans

REALLY, REALLY!

For starters …

Where and when:   Various, 1970s-2005

  Even before the release of a 2005 video in which he boasted about sexually assaulting women—“Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything,” he said, as well as “I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything”—there’s a long line of allegations against Trump.  Jill Harth says  Trump assaulted her in the 1990s. Trump’s ex-wife Ivana Trump once suggested he had raped her, though  she has since recanted her story . Former Miss Utah Temple Taggart said he kissed her on the lips inappropriately. But since the release, more women have come forward.  Two told  The New York Times   that Trump had assaulted them, one saying he tried to put his hand up her skirt on a flight in the 1970s and another saying he forcibly kissed her. A Florida woman  says  Trump groped her. A former  People  reporter recounted an alleged assault at his Mar-a-Lago debate, and says he told her, “You know we’re going to have an affair, don’t you?”  Several former teen pageant contestants  said Trump walked in on them while they were naked or partially dressed.

 
 
 
nightwalker
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3.1.24  nightwalker  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.11    6 years ago

"What conspiracies?"

WHAT Con...OMG that's priceless, just priceless. You've done yourself proud.

I have to go spread this around to my friends IRL, you're going to be a big comedy hit.

Your posts are humor and sarcasm, right?

laughing dude laughing dude

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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3.1.25  A. Macarthur  replied to  A. Macarthur @3.1.23    6 years ago

The Beauty Pageant Scandals    

Where and when:   Various, 1992-present

The dirt:   The   Boston Globe ’s Matt Viser reports   on the mess of the American Dream pageant in 1992. After years of attending beauty pageants—Trump seems to have always enjoyed the company of beautiful, scantily clad women—he decided he wanted to get in on the business himself, meeting with George Houraney and Jill Harth, a couple that ran the American Dream pageant. It was an ill-fated effort. Harth and Houraney alleged that Trump started making passes at her almost immediately. On one occasion, Trump allegedly asked them to bring some models to a party. Harth alleges Trump groped her at the party. In a limo afterward, another model said she heard him say that “all women are bimbos” and most “gold diggers.” Trump reportedly joined another model in bed, uninvited, late at night. On other occasions, he forced Harth into bedrooms and made passes at her, she said. But after the contest, Trump broke off dealings. Harth sued Trump, alleging sexual misbehavior, while the couple together sued him for breach of contract. In the suit, they also alleged that Trump had kept black women out of the pageant.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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3.1.26  A. Macarthur  replied to  A. Macarthur @3.1.25    6 years ago

Racial Housing Discrimination     

Where and when:   New York City, 1973-1975

The dirt:   The Department of Justice sued Trump and his father Fred in 1973 for housing discrimination at 39 sites around New York. “The government contended that Trump Management had refused to rent or negotiate rentals ‘because of race and color,’”   The New York Times   reported . “It also charged that the company had required different rental terms and conditions because of race and that it had misrepresented to blacks that apartments were not available.” Trump called the accusations “absolutely ridiculous.”

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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3.1.27  A. Macarthur  replied to  A. Macarthur @3.1.26    6 years ago

Trump University     

Where and when:   2005-2010, online

The dirt:   In 2005, the Trump announced an eponymous “university” to teach his real-estate development secrets. Students ponied up as much as $35,000—some after being   suckered in by slick free “seminars” —to learn how to get rich. One ad promised they would “learn from Donald Trump’s handpicked instructors, and that participants would have access to Trump’s real estate ‘secrets.’” In fact, Trump had little to do with the curriculum or the instructors. Many of the “students” have since complained that Trump U. was a scam. At one time, it had some prestigious instructors, but over time the “faculty”   became a motley bunch of misfits . (It was also never really a “university” by any definition, and it changed its name to the “Trump Entrepreneur Initiative,” because as it happened, the school was violating New York law by operating without an educational license.)

SAY WHEN!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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3.1.28  Jasper2529  replied to  A. Macarthur @3.1.23    6 years ago

REALLY, REALLY!

For starters …

Where and when: Various, 1970s-2005

Since when did verbal allegations that are devoid of factual proof become legal indictments?  Even Hillary didn't hold Bill Clinton to the standards you demand for Donald Trump.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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3.1.29  A. Macarthur  replied to  KDMichigan @3.1.22    6 years ago
Trump has been sued for fraud over 3,500 times. Is fraud a crime? Yes. You're welcome.

Bullshit. Got proof to prove this out right lie?

An exclusive USA TODAY analysis of legal filings across the United States finds that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee and his businesses have been involved in at least 3,500 legal actions in federal and state courts during the past three decades. They range from skirmishes with casino patrons to million-dollar real estate suits to personal defamation lawsuits.

The sheer volume of lawsuits is unprecedented for a presidential nominee. No candidate of a major party has had anything approaching the number of Trump’s courtroom entanglements.

Following is a list of lawsuits involving United States President   Donald Trump   in his official capacity as President and as a result of his alleged actions. [1]   The list excludes cases naming the president as a matter of course, including   habeas corpus   requests.

List

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.1.30  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.7    6 years ago
And that Mueller has violated the "lawyer/client privilege".

I'm sorry, a lawfully acquired search warrant for evidence in a "sometimes lawyers" office doesn't violate lawyer/client privilege.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.1.31  arkpdx  replied to  A. Macarthur @3.1.29    6 years ago

Exactly how many were civil court suits?  How many were in criminal court? There is a difference you know. To date Trump has not ever been charged,  tried or convicted in criminal court. He is not now nor has he at anytime in the past been a criminal. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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3.1.32  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  arkpdx @3.1.31    6 years ago

Right:  TO DATE.  Stay tuned and buckle up.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.34  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1    6 years ago
10s of millions of Americans like myself

Now that is a scary thought. And here I had hoped they'd all died out in the last civil war. The union was too easy on those treasonous bigots. Now the remnants have allied with the theocrats who are determined to bring about their hoped for Armageddon where they believe they'll get to murder all the liberals and progressives and institute their Christian sharia nation and subjugate all atheists and those of other faiths.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.2  Greg Jones  replied to  lennylynx @3    6 years ago
after everything is known about him,

It's all just a bunch of made up lies and untruths.

 
 
 
lib50
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3.2.1  lib50  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2    6 years ago
It's all just a bunch of made up lies and untruths.

As if you recognize the difference.  You are believing and pushing bullshit and propaganda from the liar in chief.  The man who lies as easily as he breathes.  If he says its fake news, its more likely the truth. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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3.2.2  lennylynx  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2    6 years ago

Of course, Gregger, no matter what the Mueller investigation finds and how damning the evidence, you will simply call it all a big lie!  I would expect no less.  Donut?

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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3.2.4  magnoliaave  replied to  NORMAN-D @3.2.3    6 years ago

This is becoming increasingly tedious and stupid.  They just keep on Norman!

 
 
 
DocPhil
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4  DocPhil    6 years ago

I've been posting since day 1 of this presidential nightmare that Trump will be lucky to get to the two year point of his presidency without a recommendation for indictment on criminal charges. I have always thought that he was at greater risk in investigations that were on the state level than he was from Mueller's investigation. 

Even though I feel that Trump knowingly assisted a foreign power in influencing an American election, I never thought the Republican congress would have the cajones to have articles of impeachment passed in the house and then to convict on those articles by 2/3 in the senate. These republicans have, as a party, violated their oath of office to serve the American people. They are toadies to this president.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1  Texan1211  replied to  DocPhil @4    6 years ago

And I have been hearing predictions concerning Trump to be wrong since 2015.

 
 
 
lennylynx
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4.1.1  lennylynx  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    6 years ago

How is the prediction that Trump will be charged wrong in any way?  No one predicted he will be charged before the investigation is over.  We haven't found out yet, one way or another.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  lennylynx @4.1.1    6 years ago

I didn't say it was wrong.

What did you read?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  lennylynx @4.1.1    6 years ago

Yeah, you were just absolutely sure he would never be POTUS.

Hilarious.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1.4  bugsy  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.3    6 years ago
Yeah, you were just absolutely sure he would never be POTUS.

My favorite has always been that if Trump got the Republican nomination, no Republican would see the White House for decades. I still chuckle when I hear it.

 
 
 
DocPhil
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4.1.5  DocPhil  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    6 years ago

actually the only prediction about Trump that was wrong was that he won the election......whether that election win was legitimate or tainted is for history to judge, not any of us. It is the reason why the Mueller investigation must proceed unabated.

In my mind every other prediction about Trump has held true....He governs with no regard to national or international norms. He has the most chaotic white house in history. He attempts to govern by fiat because he cannot co govern with his own party in congress. His pre-presidency dealings are under criminal investigations. The administration itself is scandal ridden with the highest turnover rate in over 150 years. He is protectionistic and is withdrawing the USA from the world community. The only thing that comes as somewhat a surprise is that he takes advice from the Fox News numbskulls rather than the sometimes and somewhat sane advisors around him.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  lennylynx @4.1.1    6 years ago
We haven't found out yet, one way or another.

He cannot be charged, only impeached. And that's not going to happen.
 
 
 
lib50
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4.1.7  lib50  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.6    6 years ago
He cannot be charged, only impeached. And that's not going to happen.

YET.  Plenty of charges waiting for him when he's out of office, which he can't pardon anybody for.   That is the beauty of multiple investigations in different jurisdictions.  Enjoy.

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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4.1.8  magnoliaave  replied to  bugsy @4.1.4    6 years ago

I am still waiting for all those people who vowed to leave our Country if he won to, actually, leave and stay away.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.1.9  MrFrost  replied to  magnoliaave @4.1.8    6 years ago

You mean like rush limpballs? He said he would leave the country and never return if Obama won. Last I checked, that POS is still flapping his drug addicted mouth in Florida. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  DocPhil @4.1.5    6 years ago

Okay, I'll pretend I never saw these gems:

Trump won't win nomination

Trump won't beat Hillary

The Blue Wall will hold

Trump won't last 30 days, uh, 60 days, uh 90 days, uh, one year

Stock market will tank

Unemployment will skyrocket

Trump will get us into a nuclear war

Trump doesn't pay taxes

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.9    6 years ago

Celebrities who will move to Canada if Donald Trump ...
www.businessinsider.com/celebrities-move-to-canada-if-donald-trump...

 
 
 
DocPhil
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4.1.12  DocPhil  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.10    6 years ago

so what..... the first three you cited I agreed happened......the last two are still up in the air.....the issue of nuclear war is, unfortunately still on the table.......and his tax status is still unknown.......whether he lasts or not depends on what comes out of the investigations......what has held true are the predictions about what the Trump white house and presidency  would look like.

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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4.1.13  magnoliaave  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.9    6 years ago

Yes, like him.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  DocPhil @4.1.12    6 years ago

Now, now.

Rachel Maddow proved conclusively that Trump payed taxes.

Don't you remember that?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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4.1.15  sandy-2021492  replied to  magnoliaave @4.1.8    6 years ago

Why wasn't Ted Nugent dead or in jail years ago?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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4.2  livefreeordie  replied to  DocPhil @4    6 years ago

Impeachment is purely a political act.  Trump may have art6icles of impeachment if the anti-American Democrats regain the Hiouse and Senate.  But there will never be a successful impeachment concluding in 2/3s of the Senate voting to remove him.

Trump has been the best thing for America since Reagan. He is removing the stain of the Hussein Obama presidency and decades of marxist fascist control by the Statists.

And despite the mockery, we will go to a second civil war to defend our president and we have millions of mostly veterans armed and ready to defend Trump and our president against the cancer of the Democrats.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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4.2.1  pat wilson  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2    6 years ago

Do you say all that with your pastor hat on ? Or do you come to NT to take a break from all that pastor stuff ?

 
 
 
bbl-1
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4.2.2  bbl-1  replied to  pat wilson @4.2.1    6 years ago

skirting the CoC [ph]

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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4.2.3  livefreeordie  replied to  bbl-1 @4.2.2    6 years ago

Utter nonsense.  I have no love for Russia.  I'm a disabled Veteran from a Russian attack while I was in the military.  I have opposed Russia for 60 years.

skirting the CoC [ph]

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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4.2.4  livefreeordie  replied to  pat wilson @4.2.1    6 years ago

I say that as an American who has spent my life defending this Constitutional Republic and the ideals of individualism. I say it as someone with a degree in History and who has been studying US History and the Constitution for 60 years.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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4.2.5  bbl-1  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2.3    6 years ago

?  You 'name call and accuse' a bit too much.  Deflecting, like Trump.  Why?

 
 
 
pat wilson
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4.2.7  pat wilson  replied to  Release The Kraken @4.2.6    6 years ago

Pastor as in "pastor". Holy man. You have one, right ?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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4.2.8  Raven Wing  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2.3    6 years ago
You Stalinists are far closer to Putin and Russia

That would be your beloved, Trump. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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4.2.9  Raven Wing  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2    6 years ago
we will go to a second civil war to defend our president

You conservatives sure do like to use that 'we' word a lot. Are you that sure the little mouse in your pocket really agrees with you on that? But, I guess if you feed him enough garbage he would agree to anything. Right? ?? 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.2.11  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2.3    6 years ago
I'm a disabled Veteran

But you said you were a tax preparer all your life, and a pastor all your life.. Now you were a vet too? When and where did you serve? Which service? 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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4.2.12  lennylynx  replied to  MrFrost @4.2.11    6 years ago

You're going to get nailed for that, my friend, questioning a member's claim of military service is a pretty big no-no.  We are required to believe everything a fellow member claims.

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.2.13  Kavika   replied to  livefreeordie @4.2    6 years ago
And despite the mockery, we will go to a second civil war to defend our president and we have millions of mostly veterans armed and ready to defend Trump and our president against the cancer of the Democrats.

More wrapping yourself in a flag and telling us what a patriot you are...Are you really ready to go to a civil war, that involves killing fellow Americans. You understand that don't you? Are democrat's planning a violent overthrow of the U.S. government or are you living in a fantasy world.

BTW the millions of, in your opinion, armed vet's may be met with millions of armed vet's on the other side. 

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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4.2.14  magnoliaave  replied to  Raven Wing @4.2.8    6 years ago

That's BS.

 
 
 
DocPhil
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4.2.15  DocPhil  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2.4    6 years ago

With your knowledge of how we have suffered from a Marxist/fascist control by statists for the past 60 years, I really would like to know how you have come to that conclusion as an historian and an expert in our Constitutional history. We may have been trained in different Universities, but my degree never gave me a real clear understanding of how we became a Marxist/fascist controlled power. Please don't substitute your hatred for liberals with the assignment of a philosophy that liberals abhor. That would be disingenuous and would only demonstrate a complete misunderstanding of historical accuracy.

 
 
 
katrix
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4.2.16  katrix  replied to  Kavika @4.2.13    6 years ago

So called patriots - boasting about how they hate everyone who doesn't think like them, and wanting to start a second civil war to kill all those people off, doing their best to implement Christian Sharia law ...  putting their immoral idol above our Constitution and our great country ... 

Patriots, my ass.  I'd imagine that if we had talked to them in the 80s and 90s, when Trump was the same immoral, unethical asshole he is today, but was a Democrat, they'd be singing a different tune.  But morals and ethics apparently don't matter to Trump supporters as long as the person has an (R) after their name, rather than judging them on their actual merits.  I despised him when he was as Democrat, and I despise him now.  Ethics are not a partisan issue for anyone with morals.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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5  bbl-1    6 years ago

 An unwavering 40% does not care about money, sex, lies or anything else concerning this president.  After all, this is why they support him.

It is also possible that if this president has indeed broken established law, the 40% will demand new law be installed.

This too is also possible.  Currently, The United States is at its weakest, most vulnerable positon in its entire history of being a Republic.

 
 
 
sixpick
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5.1  sixpick  replied to  bbl-1 @5    6 years ago

I didn't have any other choice other than vote for Donald Trump along with many other people who didn't have any other choice other than vote for Donald Trump.  I don't believe the Democrats could have come up with a Presidential candidate worst than Hillary Clinton and I sure as hell wasn't going to vote for her.  So, I have to put some of the guilt on the Democrats for the person they chose to run against the Republicans.  So, suck it up buddy, if you don't like what we have today, because if you had chosen almost anyone other than Hillary Clinton, we wouldn't have Donald Trump today.

We may have elected a Republican or a Democrat, but either way it wouldn't have been Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.  The only problem is no one other than Donald Trump could have beaten Hillary Clinton because the Democrats had Hillary Clinton and she was the incontrovertible candidate who was going to be the next President as far as the Democrats were concerned and no one was going to stand in the way, including Bernie Sanders.  With all the scandals the Clintons have been involved in over the years and the direction this country was heading with Hillary promising it would continue in the same direction, that's all it took, except she called half of her potential voters 'Deplorables' and a number of other derogatory names.  Every problem she had, she brought on herself.

Would you not describe the Democrat Party of today as being on the Left?  Well, you have to take responsibility of those on the Left who espouse the idea of Socialism, even going as far as supporting Communism.  We on the other hand have to take responsibility for those who espouse the ideology of Fascism and would be inclined to vote for someone on the right.

I would hope there are none here who would support either one of these ideologies, but that doesn't seem to be the case as attested by comments I've read before.  I can assure you, unless you can prove otherwise, there are none on this site who would consider themselves on the right who support Fascism.  In fact those on the right support less government control over the people, which is contrary to either one of those ideologies, while there seems to be many on the Left who support more government control over the people.  I rarely have heard the Left criticize people or countries under the rule of Communism or Fascism, but they attack those who support neither.  What does that tell you?

No one on this site has any more information on Donald Trump than anyone else, yet we see him differently.  If I could change anything about Donald Trump, I would give him Ronald Reagan's personality.  As far as his accomplishments to some and not to others, he is the first President in my life time who has done everything he could to fulfill his promises to the people who elected him and follow the laws of our land and the Constitution at the same time.  You may not like what he has done, but when the courts said he couldn't do it, he didn't, something we can't say about Obama. 

All this Donald Trump is on his last leg and the entire theme of this article is no different than all the other tactics the Democrats have used for decades.  They could care less about criminal activity as evidenced by the criminal activity of the Clintons including the criminal activity of Hillary herself.  They only care about criminal activity if it is the other side, the people they are against.  They don't care about blacks or whites being murdered as evidenced by the rage they espouse when a mass murder has occurred while completely ignoring the number of people killed every week in Chicago.  They pretend they want to take guns away from people who commit mass murders, when it is obvious they would be taking the guns away from the law abiding citizens of this country.  The lawless would never give up their guns, leaving the law abiding citizens defenseless.  The Left wants to take away their guns to have more control over them.  It has always been that way and it hasn't changed.

Everything in this article has been known long before Donald Trump even thought of running for President.  It's 24/7, pilling on by the Left being manipulated by the MSM who have their own agendas which aren't for the welfare of this country either.  The Extreme Left is the closest thing we have to jihadists in this country and the closest catalyst to turn this country into a third world country.

If even a small percentage of the scrutiny of Donald Trump had been performed against Hillary Clinton before the election, only the diehard Hillary supporters would have voted for her.  Actually, she wouldn't have been allowed to run for President.

 
 
 
lennylynx
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5.1.1  lennylynx  replied to  sixpick @5.1    6 years ago

Skirting the CoC, taunting [ph]

 
 
 
Rmando
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5.1.2  Rmando  replied to  lennylynx @5.1.1    6 years ago

"On behalf of liberals everywhere, I would like to apologize for putting Trump in the White House by nominating Hillary."

Its too bad you can't say that with a straight face. Every Democrat who supported Hillary (not counting the Bernie Bros) should be apologizing for nominating her.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  sixpick @5.1    6 years ago

The only people responsible for trump being president are the people that voted for him. You didn't want to vote for Hillary, and that's fine, but don't blame the dems for trump being president, you could have easily written in a name or abstained. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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5.1.4  lennylynx  replied to  Rmando @5.1.2    6 years ago

I guess I`m in denial, Armando, for some reason I just can`t face the fact that liberals put Trump in the White House!  Sorry buddy, I`ll keep trying though...

 
 
 
lennylynx
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5.1.5  lennylynx  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.3    6 years ago

C'mon Frosty, I think it's time we both faced (alternative) facts and admitted that us liberals put Trump in the White House.  It's tough for me too, but we have to get there somehow!

 
 
 
arkpdx
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5.1.6  arkpdx  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.3    6 years ago

you could have easily written in a name or abstained. 
 All that would have accomplished would have been getting Hillary in the White House and that was a condition worse than having President Donald J.  Trump. 
 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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5.1.7  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  sixpick @5.1    6 years ago
I don't believe the Democrats could have come up with a Presidential candidate worst than Hillary Clinton

No one could have come up with a worse candidate after she'd been pilloried and falsely accused of everything from murdering dozens of acquaintances to running a child sex ring from a pizza parlor. I don't know what's worse, the disgusting pigs who invented all that nonsense or the half wits who believed it. Either way, the results were the same, the bamboozled half wits and blatant bigots combined and elected the worst piece of trash imaginable. Trump is nothing but a dumber wannabe Tony Soprano who can't keep his minuscule member in his tacky trousers.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.2  Greg Jones  replied to  bbl-1 @5    6 years ago

 An unwavering 40% does not care about money, sex, lies or anything else concerning this president.  After all, this is why they support him  Currently, The United States is at its weakest, most vulnerable positon in its entire history of being a Republic.

Unadulterated BS. No Democrat ever cared about the dirty money, sexual assaults, or the lies of the Clinton's, or all of Obama's failures. And that second sentence is just plain stupid, no one left us weaker and more vulnerable than Obumfuk.

 
 
 
lib50
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5.2.1  lib50  replied to  Greg Jones @5.2    6 years ago
no one left us weaker and more vulnerable than Obumfuk.

Sure.  Take a minute to let that sit.  And when nobody takes you seriously, try to remember this.

 
 
 
Randy
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6  Randy    6 years ago

Donald Trump and the Kushner family have done extensive real estate development in NY and NJ. It is nearly impossible to do so without at least some involvement with either the Italian or Russian Mob. Now there is almost certainly to be some involvement with the Russian Mob considering that American banks have cut off dealing with Trump many years ago because of his constant bankruptcies, meaning he has had to get his investment money from Deutsche Bank, which is well known for being the prime source for drug lords and Russian Mobsters and other suspiciously rich people to launder their money through. It's also well known for Real Estate developers to launder money through. Then of course there is his son Eric bragging to his golf partners in 2013 that the Trump Company Business does not need American bank money since it is so well financed by the Russians.

Also when Jared married Ivanka it was less a marriage then it was the joining together of two NY area Crime Families into one.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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6.1  Colour Me Free  replied to  Randy @6    6 years ago

Is what you are stating actually factual? 

I have done quite a bit of reading over the past year regarding Trump's relationship with the Deutsche Bank ... as well as the 'laundering of money for Russia Oligarchs' in the face of US sanctions ... in addition to the 'mortgage practices' during the financial crisis.  All of which was settled for 7.2 Billion in January of 2017... not all that different from what US banks did to cause the financial crisis to begin with (?)

The internal review of the Deutsche Bank showed NO link to Russia and Trump ... yet now the bank is under pressure to provide an external and/or an independent auditor to review Trump - this is pressure from US Congressional members. (?) interesting huh?

I can provide links for my research .. if you require them...

P.s.... yes the Kushner family was also loaned money - could not find a smoking gun there either...

 
 
 
Sparty On
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6.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Colour Me Free @6.1    6 years ago

Now Chelsea and Marc ..... there’s a couple the left doesn’t want to talk about.    Don’t even need to invoke Hillary in that discussion.

One father served time for a ponzi scheme, the other was effectively impeached.    Hubbies hedge fund shut down after he realized he wouldn’t get help from a Hillary White House .

Yeah, that’s a real pair to draw to.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Randy @6    6 years ago

Nothing Trump has done is impeachable.

 
 
 
Rmando
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7  Rmando    6 years ago

I'm glad Trump is winning so much that it drowns out the constant petty attacks from his detractors.

 
 
 
DocPhil
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8  DocPhil    6 years ago

The alt-right loves to depict HRC as the liberal anti-Christ who would have brought on Armageddon. They are delusional. The problem for Clinton was that she wasn't liberal enough. She wanted to be so centrist that she could gather support from both sides of the political spectrum. She was using the classic red-dog democrat approach to winning elections. Her strategy was similar to Trump's. If you campaign moderately, people on the left will have nowhere to go but to her. You then get the moderate center and win the election. What she didn't count on was the distaste that the left had for liberal pretenders.  Republican light politicians were not moving this country ahead. They were kowtowing to the far right way too often. It was time for a democratic candidate who really stood up for the rights of all; women, people of color, LGBT-Q, people of all religions or no religion, etc. It was time for a candidate who articulated and fought for a fair tax code. It was time for a candidate who was a champion of the environment. It was time for a candidate that valued the American public education system.

When the alt-right accuses HRC of hyper-liberalism, they demonstrate just how radical and out of touch with reality they really are.

 
 
 
Rmando
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8.1  Rmando  replied to  DocPhil @8    6 years ago

Your idea of what the country is seems to end at the San Francisco city limits.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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8.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Rmando @8.1    6 years ago

Yep, the country as a whole is center right. The far and extreme left has lost the people...permanently.

 
 
 
DocPhil
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8.1.2  DocPhil  replied to  Rmando @8.1    6 years ago

Actually, my idea of a country is one that is devoid of bigotry and hatred. It is one where all children have the right to an equal education. A country where we protect the earth rather than destroy it. A country where color, sex, identity, religion, or ethnicity does not become a reason to deny individuals certain rights or equalities. I see a country where the rich aren't treated preferentially.

Now, if that isn't your vision for this country, I pity you, because you are a dinosaur and will become extinct within the next few generations.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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8.1.3  Colour Me Free  replied to  DocPhil @8.1.2    6 years ago

How do you propose to obtain this utopia of rainbows, unicorns and fairy dust? 

Not that I do not agree with this fantastical vision for the future (as it would be sweet) but what is it that you are going to do with the folks that do not think your vision speaks to their vision? ... Force their extinction?  confinement to camps, until said time of conformity and compliance?

Will 'we' all join hands in lock step and become of one mind?  Will evil behavior NO longer exist?

For real DocPhil, I am sincerely curious as to how this future you envision is to be obtained?  a nation devoid of racism and bigotry (hatred).. count me in!

 
 
 
lennylynx
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8.1.4  lennylynx  replied to  Colour Me Free @8.1.3    6 years ago

Simply treating everyone fairly, making sure every child has a chance at an education, and being responsible stewards of the planet, is an unrealistic utopia to you?  That sounds like a bare minimum of responsibility to me, but sadly, you are right, in today's greed-ruled world, that probably is an unrealistic utopia.

 
 
 
DocPhil
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8.1.5  DocPhil  replied to  Colour Me Free @8.1.3    6 years ago

First of all...what we strive for defines us. If we don't envision a better world, there is no chance that it would happen. Second.....As the generation of baby boomers ages and dies out {including me], the younger generations increasingly share a more inclusive and progressive view of the world. Our generation's racism is alien to more and more of them. As their numbers increase in areas of power, the views of others moderate. You and I have seen that in the establishment of LGBT-Q rights, and civil rights. They were not acceptable early in our lives, but are perfectly acceptable and morally correct today   Third......It truly is a shame that basic fairness takes on a liberal versus conservative argument. I would expect every human being to at least share in a basic vision for America.

Do you have one?

 
 
 
Rmando
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8.1.6  Rmando  replied to  DocPhil @8.1.2    6 years ago

Actually I believe in all too. My question is then why would you support liberalism to get there? If you want a kid to have an opportunity for a good education, don't stand in the way of school choice. If you want people not to be judged by their appearance, don't support identity politics. It's really that simple.

 
 
 
DocPhil
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8.1.7  DocPhil  replied to  Rmando @8.1.6    6 years ago

Not really......school choice is a sham......87% of students are educated in a public school. Only 13% in private and parochial schools. If we were to allow choice to every private and parochial school to their maximum enrollment, only 7% more students would attend the private and parochial schools. Every study of students who have been involved in school voucher/choice programs have shown that those students perform significantly more poorly on standardized math tests and no better on standardized reading tests after 1 and 3 years. Charters are only slightly better. The problem is that where there is choice, there are always winners and losers. The winners are those who already attend the private and parochial school whose tuition is at least partially subsidized, and the losers are all the public school students who lose funding. Until a system is developed where we actually give every child a chance to learn with smaller class sizes, teachers who are up to date on curriculum, modern texts, and schools with appropriate technology and equipment, the education problem will still beleaguer us.

As soon as the republican party stops supporting legislation that is inherently anti-black, anti-Hispanic, anti-Muslim, anti-LGBT-Q, and anti-woman, I might stop supporting the politics of identity. Until then, this white, non-religious, straight man has no option but to support the political philosophy of inclusion for all.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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8.1.8  Colour Me Free  replied to  lennylynx @8.1.4    6 years ago
Simply treating everyone fairly, making sure every child has a chance at an education, and being responsible stewards of the planet, is an unrealistic utopia to you?

Preaching to the converted lennylynx...

Sadly reality dictates 'fairness' and requires each one to define what fairness is - every child has a chance at education is this country .. yet is not necessarily done fairly.. I do not agree with how things are done lenny - I just have to live with it ..

I have a 17 year old son that is a Junior in High School .. I fight for him daily, stomp my feet and get involved as much as my health will allow me - I may not be able to march in the streets, but I am good at getting signatures that effect change on the State level...

Steward of the planet?  Really?  Trees are key to the prevention of 'climate change' - healthy forests/trees .. stop protecting them to death and creating fuel for wild fires ...  I read all kinds of crap about cut this, cut that (yes 'we' need to be aware) but without healthy forests... one is just pissing up a rope...  clean up the forests, remove the dead and dieing - creating jobs, at the same time putting the planets natural defenses back to work..

I vented .. my bad

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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8.1.9  Colour Me Free  replied to  DocPhil @8.1.5    6 years ago
the younger generations increasingly share a more inclusive and progressive view of the world. Our generation's racism is alien to more and more of them. As their numbers increase in areas of power, the views of others moderate. You and I have seen that in the establishment of LGBT-Q rights, and civil rights.

No argument from me .. long before Parkland took place and the Parkland 5 appeared on the scene, I was saying that 'those that are in High School at this time are going to make a difference' ... yet one must also consider/remember that it was a young person from Parkland that turned on his own neighbors, and former class mates.  So yes, the future looks brighter - yet Utopia is far from a reality...

I have a 17 year old in High School, I raised him to be tolerant, consider others / respect differences - just as I did my oldest son, but he still got involved with Black Lives Matter, called his own family racist (among other names) .. yet 'we' stood by him with respect for his choices - which is far more than his lil brother an I received from him

Do I have a vision, yes I do .. yet mine involves steps that take place one after the other - not some magic wand that makes the dinosaurs extinct and utopia just suddenly appear (I know that is not what you meant with your comment, yet it is how it came across, to me anyways).  Tolerance is more prominent ... I agree, as it should be - yet there is always a darkness that lurks, it is the nature of the beast...  Just my opinion DocPhil ..

Peace!

 

 
 
 
DocPhil
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8.1.10  DocPhil  replied to  Colour Me Free @8.1.9    6 years ago

No... your last sentence is absolutely correct.....evil will always exist.....as a retired psychologist, I've seen too many individuals who can be considered truly evil. We have, as a society, had little success in curing pedophiles, changing the urges that drive thrill and spree killers, or turning those who are serial rapists into individuals who equate sexuality with love rather than power..... Luckily, we can get to the point where the evil do not drive society and are the exception and the lone wolf. IMHO, it will be more difficult with the instant access that the internet gives to like minded evil individuals. We saw both the good of the internet and the bad in the past year. The good being the speed and efficiency that the Parkland students have been able to mobilize. The bad was the efficiency that the haters and fringe criminal elements were able to organize in Charlottesville. Nothing is going to be easy.....it won't happen overnight, but I truly believe that it will come...one step at a time....one day at a time.

I truly hope that your estranged son comes back to the hearth. There is nothing more important than the love of family.

 
 
 
lennylynx
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8.2  lennylynx  replied to  DocPhil @8    6 years ago

Exactly Doc, this country is so far right now, it's pretty much a banana republic.  The right wingers even attacked Hillary from the left.  They actually complained about her speeches to Goldman Sachs.  Excuse me??  Hillary's ties to the big money are MY complaint about her, I'M a liberal!  Then, after complaining about her simply making a speech to them, they had no problem whatsoever with Trump moving actual GS employees into powerful positions in the federal government!  The hypocrisy is absolutely mind-bending.  Right wing voters today don't seem to understand the first thing about left/right politics.  Whatever Democrats do is wrong and whatever Republicans do is right, even if it's the SAME FUCKING THING.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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8.2.1  Sunshine  replied to  lennylynx @8.2    6 years ago

Did you forget why Hillary was criticized for her Goldman Sach speeches?....because she is a sleezeball hypocrite.

A few weeks ago, Hillary Clinton delivered a much-touted policy speech at the New America Foundation in Washington, where she talked passionately about the financial plight of Americans who “are still barely getting by, barely holding on, not seeing the rewards that they believe their hard work should have merited.” She bemoaned the fact that the slice of the nation’s wealth collected by the top 1 percent—or 0.01 percent—has “risen sharply over the last generation,” and she denounced this “throwback to the Gilded Age of the robber barons.” Her speech, in which she cited the various projects of the Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea Clinton Foundation that address economic inequality, was widely compared to the rhetoric of Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), the unofficial torchbearer of the populist wing of the Democratic Party. Here was Hillary, test-driving a theme for a possible 2016 presidential campaign, sticking up for the little guy and trash-talking the economic elites. She decried the “shadow banking system that operated without accountability” and caused the financial crisis that wiped out millions of jobs and the nest eggs, retirement funds, and college savings of families across the land. Yet at the end of this week, when all three Clintons hold a daylong confab with donors to their foundation, the site for this gathering will be the Manhattan headquarters of Goldman Sachs.
Goldman was a key participant in that “shadow banking system” that precipitated the housing market collapse and the consequent financial debacle that slammed America’s middle class. (A system that was unleashed in part due to deregulation supported by the Clinton administration in the 1990s.) This investment house might even be considered one of the robber barons of Wall Street. In its 2011 report, the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, a congressionally created panel set up to investigate the economic meltdown, approvingly cited a financial expert who concluded that Goldman practices had “multiplied the effects of the collapse in [the] subprime” mortgage market that set off the wider financial implosion that nearly threw the nation into a depression.

Hillary Clinton’s shift from declaimer of Big Finance shenanigans to collaborator with Goldman—the firm has donated between $250,000 and $500,000 to the Clinton Foundation—prompts an obvious question: Can the former secretary of state cultivate populist cred while hobnobbing with Goldman and pocketing money from it and other Wall Street firms? Last year, she gave two paid speeches to Goldman Sachs audiences. (Her customary fee is $200,000 a speech.)
In recent years, Goldman Sachs has hardly exemplified the values and principles Clinton earnestly hailed in her speech.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
9  Kavika     6 years ago

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lib50
Professor Silent
9.1  lib50  replied to  Kavika @9    6 years ago

They'd like to forget Mueller already has Trump's returns.  Trump is so easy to read, step one, follow the money.  Greed and  arrogance tend to leave a trail.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
9.1.1  Sunshine  replied to  lib50 @9.1    6 years ago

The IRS already has had Trump's returns for years.  What is Mueller going to find that the IRS has not already scrutinized?  Obama weaponized the IRS to steal his election I am sure he tried to do the same for Crooked Hillary.  Nothing there again.

Don't be so gullible to the hype.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
9.1.2  A. Macarthur  replied to  Sunshine @9.1.1    6 years ago
The IRS already has had Trump's returns for years.  What is Mueller going to find that the IRS has not already scrutinized?
Personal tax forms are confidential. They can only be obtained if Trump himself gave the IRS permission to reveal the returns or if Congress’s Joint Committee on Taxation signed off to allow the disclosure.
The IRS is not an investigative body beyond what the tax code allows/disallows and/or with regard to evasion. If, for instance, Trump reported the sale of a property and the numbers themselves were accurate and truthful, if, i.e. the sale involved laundered money, the IRS would not necessarily know or investigate that … but Mueller would look into shell companies, Russian oligarchs involvement, et al.
You cannot summarily dismiss that which you cannot know one way or the other because it datisfies your hope of outcomes.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
9.1.3  Sunshine  replied to  A. Macarthur @9.1.2    6 years ago

That is not all true.  The IRS can subpoena and request documents under an audit to verify any tax fraud from all companies involved and any banking documents from the banking institution.  Any money laundering through shell companies can be exposed through returns.  IRS has their own special investigators and lawyers.

I am sure Obama's has used them extensively against Trump. 

There is nothing there that has not been thoroughly investigated already. 

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
9.1.4  A. Macarthur  replied to  Sunshine @9.1.3    6 years ago

There is nothing there that has not been thoroughly investigated already. 

Pardon me if I am not privy to such information.

Money laundering is the means by which criminals evade paying taxes on illegal income by concealing the source and the amount of profit. Money laundering is in effect tax evasion in progress.

Trump, et al could well pay on gains on property transactions without generating any probable cause regarding money laundering nor shell companies. 

Trump’s sold a Palm Beach estate he bought for $41 million to a Russian oligarch for $95 million just four years later.

Although at least one Democrat has asked Congress to investigate … it failed to do so … but now … the transaction between Trump and oligarch Dmitry Rybolovlev is being probed by special counsel Robert Mueller.

Why the IRS did not pursue this … who knows … but Mueller has the tax returns and is likely tracking down the particulars.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
9.1.5  Sunshine  replied to  A. Macarthur @9.1.4    6 years ago

Well pardon me, but the IRS is privy and since Trump has been under audit we can be sure that every dollar has been thoroughly investigated.

What further information is on a tax return that has not already been looked at?  The IRS has full authority and jurisdiction to exam any tax fraud which would include shell companies domestic or foreign.

Besides Mueller said Trump was not under investigation.  What would give him jurisdiction to see his personal tax return? 

There is no further data on a tax return anyhoo so it would be pointless.  

Money laundering is the means by which criminals evade paying taxes on illegal income by concealing the source and the amount of profit. Money laundering is in effect tax evasion in progress.

Yes I know.  

The IRS has audited Trumps returns and has found nothing illegal.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
9.1.6  Sunshine  replied to  A. Macarthur @9.1.4    6 years ago
but Mueller has the tax returns and is likely tracking down the particulars.

Link please.  Not aware that he does.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
9.1.7  Studiusbagus  replied to  Sunshine @9.1.5    6 years ago
Well pardon me, but the IRS is privy and since Trump has been under audit we can be sure that every dollar has been thoroughly investigated.

So much in this comment proves what you DON'T know...The IRS doesn't investigate "every dollar". Habe you ever been audited? Obviously not. First, the IRS looks at accounting procedures, if they don't gel then they look further. They can and do separate parts of a return if a bell rings. As with any large and complex entity such as Trump's or Gates, or Buffett's are they are always watching..mostly just to keep up.

Trump has provided nothing with the exception of a letter from his attorneys (something like the letter provided by his Dr.) that he is under audut. When the IRS pulls your file for an audit they send a letter saying so....any request for that letter has gone unanswered.

Besides Mueller said Trump was not under investigation.  What would give him jurisdiction to see his personal tax return?

 Hmm, got a link saying that? Mueller said Trump was not a "target", he never said he wasn't being investigated.

  It's certainly not "proof" he has them but the evidence Mueller has the returns is rather overwhelming...

  Exclusive: Mueller Enlists the IRS for His Trump-Russia Investigation

Special counsel Bob Mueller has teamed up with the IRS . According to sources familiar with his investigation into alleged Russian election interference , his probe has enlisted the help of agents from the IRS’ Criminal Investigations unit.

This unit—known as CI—is one of the federal government’s most tight-knit, specialized, and secretive investigative entities. Its 2,500 agents focus exclusively on financial crime , including tax evasion and money laundering. A former colleague of Mueller’s said he always liked working with IRS’ special agents, especially when he was a U.S. Attorney.

And it goes without saying that the IRS has access to Trump ’s tax returns—documents that the president has long resisted releasing to the public.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
9.1.8  Sunshine  replied to  Studiusbagus @9.1.7    6 years ago
“They view them with the highest regard,” Sheil said. “IRS special agents are the very best in the business of conducting financial investigations. They will quickly tell you that it took an accountant to nab Al Capone, and it’s true.”
And it goes without saying that the IRS has access to Trump’s tax returns—documents that the president has long resisted releasing to the public.

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That is not all true. The IRS can subpoena and request documents under an audit to verify any tax fraud from all companies involved and any banking documents from the banking institution. Any money laundering through shell companies can be exposed through returns. IRS has their own special investigators and lawyers.

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So Mueller does not have Trump's returns.  

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
9.1.9  Studiusbagus  replied to  Sunshine @9.1.1    6 years ago
Obama weaponized the IRS to steal his election I am sure he tried to do the same for Crooked Hillary.

           "Don't be so gullible to the hype"

How Ironic.........

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
9.1.11  Sunshine  replied to  Studiusbagus @9.1.9    6 years ago
How Ironic.........

Being gullible is moronic........

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
9.1.13  Sunshine  replied to  NORMAN-D @9.1.12    6 years ago

I almost feel sorry for the Daily Kos readers and the MSNBC zombies.......not. :)

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
9.1.16  A. Macarthur  replied to  Sunshine @9.1.5    6 years ago

Well pardon me, but the IRS is privy and since Trump has been under audit we can be sure that every dollar has been thoroughly investigated.

Trump has made that claim but it has not been verified; further, even if the claim is truer, there is nothing prohibiting him from releasing his returns!

What further information is on a tax return that has not already been looked at?  The IRS has full authority and jurisdiction to exam any tax fraud which would include shell companies domestic or foreign.

Already responded to that; neither you nor I know the answer to that.

Besides Mueller said Trump was not under investigation.  What would give him jurisdiction to see his personal tax return? 

No! Mueller said Trump is "not a target" at this time …

Mueller says Trump not criminal target currently … but he is a "subject". 

There is no further data on a tax return anyhoo so it would be pointless.  

Again, you don't know that one way or the other!

The IRS has audited Trumps returns and has found nothing illegal.

Possibly not in the returns themselves … the returns themselves might not generate probable cause for an IRS investigation, but other investigations might link back to the returns and connect heretofore unconnected dots.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
9.1.17  A. Macarthur  replied to  A. Macarthur @9.1.16    6 years ago

Further, Trump has claimed publicly that he has no business connections to Russia … but, what if his tax returns show otherwise … loans from Russian oligarchs … or the likes of Deutsche Bank … or other financial institutions with connections to Russia.

If he's in significant such debt, that's not in-and-of-itself an IRS matter as long as the numbers make sense; BUT, IF HE'S IN BIG-TIME DEBT, HE MIGHT BE VULNERABLE TO MAKING QUID-PRO-QUO DEALS THAT ARE IN HIS BEST INTERESTS …

… but not America's.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
10  The Magic 8 Ball    6 years ago
We are now in the end stages of the Trump Presidency.

LOL not so much... but it is fun to watch you keep saying that.

prepare yourself... this one might sting a bit.

NEW: Federal judge grants petition for Pres. Trump to intervene in Michael Cohen motion seeking to limit prosecutors’ ability to review material seized in raids of Cohen’s home and office earlier this week.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
10.1  Jasper2529  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @10    6 years ago

Did you read some of the comments on your link? One idiot said that of all of the 2016 candidates, Hillary was the most honest!  liar

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
10.2  A. Macarthur  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @10    6 years ago

prepare yourself... this one might sting a bit.

NEW:  Federal judge grants petition for Pres. Trump to intervene  in Michael Cohen motion seeking to limit prosecutors’ ability to review material seized in raids of Cohen’s home and office earlier this week.

You might prepare yourself because the significance of the intervention is as follows …

A hearing Friday in Manhattan federal court was put on hold until Monday after an attorney for Trump intervened and requested additional time.

That's it!

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
11  Split Personality    6 years ago

Article locked due to the seeders lack of moderation or responses. {SP}

 
 

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