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Constitution Party presidential nominee Chuck Baldwin declared that it was a “biblical requirement” for every Christian to own an assault-style rifle and that those who don’t are “worse than a heathen.

  

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Via:  johnrussell  •  6 years ago  •  39 comments

Constitution Party presidential nominee Chuck Baldwin declared that it was a “biblical requirement” for every Christian to own an assault-style rifle and that those who don’t are “worse than a heathen.

Constitution Party presidential nominee Chuck Baldwin declared that it was a “biblical requirement” for every Christian to own an assault-style rifle and that those who don’t are “worse than a heathen.

Chuck Baldwin: Gun Reform ‘Is An Attack From Hell Itself’











Earlier this month, right-wing pastor, radio host, and former Constitution Party presidential nominee Chuck Baldwin declared that it was a “biblical requirement” for every Christian to own an assault-style rifle and that those who don’t are “worse than a heathen.” Shortly after making that statement, Baldwin delivered an entire sermon on the subject at his Liberty Fellowship church in Montana, during which he asserted that any effort at gun reform “is an attack from hell itself.”

“I tell you the truth,” Baldwin said. “Satan and his minions have, in their minds, determined that now is the time to attack the God-given duty and liberty of people to defend themselves and to take away from us our ability to do that. This is a concerted attack, not from liberal Democrats and neocon Republicans, this is an attack from hell itself.”

Baldwin insisted that the requirement to own an assault rifle for self-defense is “a God-given law,” therefore “any attack on this law is an attack on God’s law” that is no different than the government declaring that Christian churches cannot preach the gospel or baptize converts or support missionary efforts.

“This is an attack on God’s law and God’s word, just as much as any of the above,” he said.

“I’ll tell you one thing,” Baldwin concluded. “Here in the Flathead Valley of Montana, Chuck Baldwin and Liberty Fellowship will not surrender this spiritual law that God has given to us … We will not—at the cost of our lives—we will not surrender what our God has given to us.”



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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    6 years ago

you must have the means of self-defense,” Baldwin said. “And in our society today, that means a firearm in the similitude of an AR-15. Without that, you are not in a position, you are not even able to protect not just your family and your house, but your neighbors, your community around you; that we, as a community of people—that’s the militia—are given the God-given responsibility to protect our communities. That is a biblical requirement.”

Baldwin called on pastors to preach sermons telling their congregations that “if you are not prepared to defend your family and your neighborhood and your community with the force of arms, you have denied the Christian faith and you are worse than a heathen.”

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.1  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @1    6 years ago

sigh,  to this all I can say is thank god we live in the USA where any idiot can stand on his soapbox and proclaim to the world just how stupid he really is...

I dislike the extremists on either side.  This guy is no better than the idiots that push to ban all guns...  But give this guy his box of Forrest Gump chocolate's.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Snuffy @1.1    6 years ago

... the idiots that push to ban all guns... 

That's a unicorn. Doesn't exist. So I guess you only dislike the folks you put opposite the unicorn, the gun nuts.

 
 
 
Freefaller
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1.1.2  Freefaller  replied to  Snuffy @1.1    6 years ago

Well put

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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1.2  SteevieGee  replied to  JohnRussell @1    6 years ago

This is the real reason that those on the right have been amassing assault weapons.  The overthrow of the US government to install a Christian theocracy.  They are no better than ISIS.

 
 
 
Spikegary
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1.2.1  Spikegary  replied to  SteevieGee @1.2    6 years ago

Dude, I understand it's 4-20 today, but lay off the dope.  When you are smoking it you come up with these idiot conspiracy theories like this one.  No one but a few crazies take this guy seriously.  Most of us had never heard of him until Russell put this article up.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.2.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Spikegary @1.2.1    6 years ago

You're part of it! You're covering it up! *(&%^)*(*&

... that's no more insane than the wacko conspiracy theories that abound on the right. Child porn ring run out of a pizza shop, and so on...

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2  Bob Nelson    6 years ago

OK... He's crazy.

But hey, he's a right-wing radio star. Being crazy is a prerequisite.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Bob Nelson @2    6 years ago
OK... He's crazy.

Yes but he was the Constitution Party presidential nominee. Show him some respect. crazy

I think we have a couple Constitution Party members here. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    6 years ago
... we have a couple Constitution Party members here.

crazy

 
 
 
Spikegary
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2.1.2  Spikegary  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    6 years ago

There are fringe jackwads on both sides of presdiential elections.  They get a few fringe votes.  And they get their 15 minutes of fame.  That's all.  Acting like these people represent anything outisde of a few like thinkers is not true.  Look at Gary Johnson and who was his mirrored reflection?  I can't even remember her name.  What have you heard form them lately?  Nothing more than their rantings to their own.

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.3  epistte  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.1    6 years ago
... we have a couple Constitution Party members here.

I know of one NT member of that wack-a-doodle party. 

I miss the Newsvine member of the Constitution party. He was funny when he started on his insane claims about arresting LGBT, Muslims, and atheists.  

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.4  epistte  replied to  Spikegary @2.1.2    6 years ago
Acting like these people represent anything outisde of a few like thinkers is not true. Look at Gary Johnson and who was his mirrored reflection?  I can't even remember her name.  What have you heard form them lately?  Nothing more than their rantings to their own.

Jill Stein?

 
 
 
charger 383
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3  charger 383    6 years ago

I'm a heathen and I have a few of those guns

 
 
 
Skrekk
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4  Skrekk    6 years ago

Baldwin is a rather typical Christian extremist......homophobic, antisemitic, Islamophobic, racist and profoundly misogynistic.   He's also one of the "sovereign citizen" loons who thinks the wrong side lost the Civil War.   The SPLC has a good backgrounder on him:

About Chuck Baldwin

Chuck Baldwin, a 35-year Florida “guns and God” pastor and a leader in the antigovernment “Patriot” movement, moved his apocalyptic mission to Montana in 2010, forming a new church in a burgeoning center for antigovernment and white supremacist extremists. Baldwin’s arrival in the Flathead Valley, where his Liberty Fellowship is drawing an array of radical-right congregants, followed years of activity on the far right. He was the presidential candidate of the Constitution Party in 2008 and its vice-presidential candidate in 2004. In recent rants, he’s raged against any form of gun control and warned darkly of an imminent and violent confrontation with government forces. The U.S. as we know it is going down, Baldwin insists, and patriotic citizens must lead the charge to save it.

In his own words

“I believe homosexuality is moral perversion and deserves no special consideration under the law. … I believe the South was right in the War Between the States, and I am not a racist.”
—“Me in a Nutshell,” May 2, 2006

“The massive integration of women in combat may serve the interests of political correctness, but it does not serve the interests of combat effectiveness. Neither does it serve the interests of family and child rearing.”
—“Not Your Father’s Army” February 5, 2010

“ [I]f our governmental and military leaders would cover up the raping of American servicewomen by servicemen, don’t you know that they will cover up the raping of American servicemen by homosexual servicemen? Mark this down: mixing sex (heterosexual or homosexual) and military service is a recipe for disaster. And the potential damage inflicted upon military units (especially combat units) is exacerbated exponentially by the introduction of large numbers of homosexuals and women into those units.”
—“Not Your Father’s Army” February 5, 2010

“For the most part, Zionists control America’s television news networks, America’s major newspapers, the Federal Reserve and most of America’s major banking interests--as well as America’s entertainment and educational institutions--and even our legal institutions.”
—“Kill The Infidels” December 17, 2015

“The Muslim religion has been a bloody, murderous religion since its inception.”
—“What Every Christian Should Know About Islam,” Feb. 1, 2002

“America is headed for an almost certain cataclysm. As Christians, we suspect that this cataclysm could include the judgment of God. As students of history, we believe that this cataclysm will most certainly include a fight between Big-Government globalists and freedom-loving, independent-minded patriots. I would even argue that this fight has already started.”
—“Why We Are Moving to Montana,” Sept. 15, 2010

“To take away an American’s right to a semi-automatic rifle is to fully disarm him. … There is no liberty without the semi-automatic rifle. … We are not going to surrender our semi-automatic firearms, period.”
—“If Americans Lose Semi-Automatic Guns, Tyranny will Engulf the World,” Jan. 26, 2013

No surprise that Baldwin was steeped in Southern Baptist ideology by the master bigot, Jerry Falwell.   More juicy details here:

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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4.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Skrekk @4    6 years ago

How can loons like this have an audience?

Have they no shame?

 
 
 
Skrekk
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4.1.1  Skrekk  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.1    6 years ago

Baldwin definitely moved his ministry to the whitest and rightest part of the country.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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4.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Skrekk @4.1.1    6 years ago

OK... I get that.

But still... They call themselves "Christians". So either they are the deepest of hypocrites, or they are unperturbed by "up is down" cognitive dissonance. Strange brains, in any case...

 
 
 
Skrekk
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4.1.3  Skrekk  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.1.2    6 years ago

Well he does represent the traditionally racist and antisemitic Southern Baptist variety of Christianity.    I don't personally know any Christians who would want to be associated with that but I suspect a few NT members are like that.    Most SBC members today would even reject the racist and antisemitic aspects of Baldwin's ideology but they'd likely agree with the rest of it.

And didn't some wingnut Christian recently claim that baby Jesus supports nuking NK?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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4.1.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Skrekk @4.1.3    6 years ago
... but I suspect a few NT members are like that.

Wrong!

It's not "a few"... confused

 
 
 
Spikegary
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4.1.5  Spikegary  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.1    6 years ago

And here we are, reading your comments.....see the irony?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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4.1.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  Spikegary @4.1.5    6 years ago

And I read yours. Know thine enemy...

The conversations after Charlottesville got pretty heated. Lots of masks slipped... Members showed their true colors, defending the people with the Nazi flags... just like Trump. No coincidence.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5  MrFrost    6 years ago

Could someone point out in the bible where it says that all Christians must own assault weapons? I'm looking but I don't see it. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  MrFrost @5    6 years ago

Gospel of St Donald...

 
 
 
Skrekk
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5.2  Skrekk  replied to  MrFrost @5    6 years ago

In Baldwin's parable about the miracle of gunpowder Baby Jesus prefers using a .50 cal M1 to mow down Jews and blacks.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.2.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Skrekk @5.2    6 years ago

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epistte
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5.2.2  epistte  replied to  Skrekk @5.2    6 years ago
In Baldwin's parable about the miracle of gunpowder Baby Jesus prefers using a .50 cal M1 to mow down Jews and blacks.

What does Baldwin use for LGBT people, and progressives?

I miss Chuck Leopold's insane rants on Newsvine. It was fun getting him so wound up he would say something to get himself banned.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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6  Skrekk    6 years ago

Given that today is the 25th anniversary of the end of the Waco siege and the 23rd anniversary of the Oklahoma city bombing, I'm surprised that Trump's supporters aren't marking the occasion by shooting their AR-15s in the air.    It's pretty much a guarantee that Chuck Baldwin is holding some sort of commemoration given how these sovereign citizen loons revere those events.

I believe that the national news media purposely keeps the American people in the dark about the truth of what is really going on. I believe the media deliberately covered up the events of 9/11, Waco, Ruby Ridge, TWA Flight 800, the Oklahoma City bombing, the Sandy Hook school shootings, etc., ad infinitum.

 
 
 
lib50
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7  lib50    6 years ago

Nothing like hearing from another tool of the devil.  Hard to believe so many people believe those false prophets.

 
 
 
luther28
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7.1  luther28  replied to  lib50 @7    6 years ago

Was that tool of the devil or fool?

 
 
 
luther28
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8  luther28    6 years ago

“biblical requirement”

Sigh...... Though I am a heathen, the last time I cracked the it open I do not recollect the addition of the Book of Lunacy to the Bible.

Me thinks the poor fellow is confused and meant to say we should all arm ourselves with slings and arrows.

 
 
 
Explorerdog
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9  Explorerdog    6 years ago

He is the leader of the group that identifies with the Constitution, I would need to guess he means the ship and not the founding document of this great land because everything he stands for is in direct contradiction to the document.

 
 
 
Explorerdog
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9.1  Explorerdog  replied to  Explorerdog @9    6 years ago

Rethinking my comment I realize that I have denigrated the ship and for that I apologize, I now think that the reference to the Constitution in fact relates to him taking a crap which he would refer to as his constitutional and that would be far more appropriate.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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9.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Explorerdog @9.1    6 years ago
clapping_smiley_emoticon.gif~c200 Rethinking my comment I realize that I have denigrated the ship and for that I apologize, I now think that the reference to the Constitution in fact relates to him taking a crap which he would refer to as his constitutional and that would be far more appropriate.
 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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10  Dean Moriarty    6 years ago

Now this is some preaching that doesn't bore me to death. Since it is my belief the bible is made up of fictional tales I think it's high time we bring it up to date and revise it.  This is what's so great about freedom of religion it can be whatever you want it to be. 

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Bob Nelson
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10.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dean Moriarty @10    6 years ago

Let's take it one step further, with a litmus test for "Trumpist Christians":

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epistte
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10.1.1  epistte  replied to  Bob Nelson @10.1    6 years ago

Jesus would carry a Galil.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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10.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  epistte @10.1.1    6 years ago
Galil

That's not funny... *(&%^)*(*&

 
 
 
MrFrost
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