Stormy Daniels Lawyer Just Told MSNBC That The Payoff In Oct 2016 Was "Absolutely" Intended To Protect Trump Before The Election
This qualifies and breaking news and important news. Michael Avenatti says that "absolutely, positively" there is evidence that the payoff to Stormy Daniels was timed to prevent the story from coming out prior to the election. Avenatti says that Daniel's previous lawyer, Keith Davidson, will testify that the arrangements were made with Michael Cohen that the payment would be made to make sure nothing was disclosed by Daniels prior to the election.
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Stormy Daniels was "blackmailing" Trump by telling him that without a settlement she would go to the media with her story. Cohen paid off Daniels to keep her quiet in the period just prior to the election.
Avenatti says there is proof of this.
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This involves criminal activity by Cohen, if not Cohen and Trump.
No, you've got it bass akwards. Stormy is trying to extort big money from Trump, by breaking the agreement. The public is get rather bored with this whole sordid and sad saga.
Actually she offered to give all the money back. But at this point it's clear that neither Trump or any of his bogus aliases were actually a party to the agreement, he merely tried to cover up bank fraud and a campaign finance crime after the fact.
The facts (seemingly) is that they had a sexual relationship. She was paid off. She accepted the payoff. Seems to me the potential for someone to formulate a charge of extortion is high - especially given the powers that she is going against.
Extortion after the fact (after she went public) is hard to see as practical, but extortion at the time might have legs.
Normally that could indicate acceptance of the NDA on her part but the contract isn't a contract unless there are two parties to it, and depending on which of the numerous versions of Trump's and Cohen's stories you want to believe, Trump knew nothing about the contract until after the fact. What that means is that not only isn't the contract binding on Daniels (because Cohen wasn't acting with the knowledge and consent of his supposed client), but Cohen is both legally exposed and could be expelled from the bar in the states where he practices.
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Far more likely that Trump tasked his consigliere with covering up any loose ends before the election. But even if that were not the case Daniels is still insulated from a charge of extortion by virtue of handling this contract through an attorney. Plus the time for Trump to make an accusation of extortion was when the public learned that hush money had been paid.
But the reality is that the basic facts and some details of the affair have been known since 2011 when "In Touch" magazine published the story. So any accusation of "extortion" in the context of an NDA signed shortly before the 2016 election isn't credible on its face.
What bank fraud and what campaign finance crime?
Try to keep up.
I am not taking sides in this matter Skrekk. Just looking at the possibilities in this high-stakes game.
The settlement is what took it out of the realm of extortion and is why it is done that way. Daniels is not a noble character, but neither is Trump (duh!)
If it can be proven that the payment was made to effect the election (or prevent the news of the affair from effecting the election) it is a criminal offense because if it is related to the campaign it has to be reported.
I do not understand that John. What makes her immune from a charge that she extorted hush money? Does not matter if she did it or not.
Well, for one thing I suppose, Trump didn't press charges, he entered into a contract with her.
I don't know why people might have sympathy for Trump over this. He's been a scumbag all his life. And now he's president of the United States. Our nation is experiencing calamity.
Please clarify your twisted logic.
I do not have sympathy for Trump. My observations have no partisan bias. Seems I might be a rarity in this regard.
Did she extort it or was it offered? This story first surfaced in 2011, why didn't pay her off then, or, in 2006 when the humping occurred? All of this could have been avoided if donny would have just kept his dick in his pants.
My guess is that it was offered.
The seed states:
I suppose the dollar amount may have been offered, but by this statement, the payment was extorted ...
(?) suppose I should track down the source in order to read the statement in context - alas I have not!
Agreed.
Not sure why this is so difficult for some to recognize as a likely possibility. Daniels certainly could have threatened to go public - not good for Trump the celebrity or the candidate. Trump could have easily responded with a payoff. Neither party is the good guy here.
I would not be surprised if Daniels seeks a book or movie deal at the end of this saga. Easy scenario, Trump is POTUS so break silence, make a big story, cash in on it. Wonder how many more Daniels are out there?
Agreed, none of the individuals involved have Halos!
... as far as a book deal - I am surprised one has not already been announced, yet I do not know what the book would be about - Daniels already spilled her story on 60 minutes ... a movie? once again, about what .. a one night stand with a guy that 'would be' President. (?) are people really that interested?
Daniels dive for her 15 minutes, could possibly backfire on her at this point.
Is there not already a second woman talking about an 'actual affair' with Trump - a Playboy playmate/bunny?
Meanwhile the women that have accused Trump of sexual assault and harassment have been forgotten? the females getting the attention volunteered to be touched by Trump!
That's because the timeline and other details don't fit extortion.
Little book or very short movie, then again her "movies" are not very long are they. Wonder who would play "little" trump?
Rubio?
In just a few short days, we find out a possible (probable) payment by a Russian oligarch right into Cohen's Trump payoff account. Follow that money, find those crimes. I told you patience would be rewarded!
Finding out a lot. Payments from AT&T etc.
From what I have heard, a lot of money went into his personal account.
Which law did they break?
We will know for sure when the election is over. But getting a warrant to wire tap someone is EXTREMELY difficult. They would never have gotten one if they didn't have some very damning evidence that criminal activity had taken place.
Even if it didn't happen, the "no knock" raid DID happen. And same thing, they wouldn't have done so without credible evidence of criminal activities. You can claim partisanship all you want, but our legal system, (especially at that level), is not that corrupt no matter what lying donny says.
What lie did I tell again? Do tell.
Your denial of the FACTS are absolutely hilarious.
Mueller is a hack? He is a republican so there could be truth to it... Anyway... Here is your meme you wanted, enjoy it.
Of course it was.
Porn stars and political candidates quite often do not play well in the grand scheme of things.
To think otherwise would indicate that one was inflicted with MAGA-BRAIN.
Huh?
What's the crime?
Paying some hooker to shut her mouth?
Jeez, isn't that like 51% of the point?
You would actually have to report the expense as a campaign contribution.
Explain your tortured reasoning.
Whatever, hookers are a part of politics like illegal alien nanny's.
Why? The man's personal lawyer made a payment that had nothing to do with the campaign. There's no evidence that the money came from campaign contributions.
You might not be aware of this, but Donald Trump is actually a pretty wealthy person. Paying some porn star $130K isn't something he would even feel and it certainly would not be necessary to tap into campaign funds to make the payment.
You don't know that. How do you explain that a month ago, trump said he didn't know anything about the payment, and two days ago, Rudy said he did? Yet more lies from trump.
While I don't pretend to be well versed in campaign expenditure law it does appear that money spent to have an effect on a campaign is to be reported. Her silence was to deflect criticism from the candidate therefore it is related to the campaign. The secondary issue is that once again everything out of trumps mouth concerning the issue was total bullshit as usual.
How do you explain that a month ago, trump said he didn't know anything about the payment, and two days ago, Rudy said he did?
He forgot, then he remembered. As soon as it is convenient, he will forget again. Rinse and repeat.
I am sure Melania Trump thought the idea was a good one as well. /sarc
Lol Mike I have missed your sense of humor!
Thanks, I missed "airing it out"!
The real problem here is the TIMING. The affair was in 2006. But the payoff didn't come until October, 2016, just weeks before the election. So, why the 10 year wait? Why wait until JUST before the election?
Exactly. Nuf said.
I fail to see your point?
Was he supposed to pay her to shut up years before he ran?
What's the difference?
The difference is whether the payment constitutes a campaign donation and thus failure to report it a campaign finance violation. That also triggers things like bank fraud laws.
How could it be a campaign donation when the money is going to the porn star? She wasn't running for office. Trump himself has so much money that there is no reason to think he would need to tap contributions to his campaign to make a payment of what amounts to "petty cash" for him.
Try to keep up, or at least expand your news sources beyond Faux News and Breitbart.
So in your opinion if the Koch's pay a printer to create a million anti opponent posters that has nothing to do with a campaign.
Hi Tacos
Here's how it works.
Anything that is meant to affect a campaign, even if it is hiring a lawyer to clean up your appearance, by smoothing over and hushing up potential problems, has to be reported as a campaign finance. Since this payment appears not to have been concerned with smoothing over an the issue when it happened years ago, but only recently since Trump's campaign, it makes the payment look like an effort to keep an issue from effecting the campaign, and that's why it needs to be researched further to see if that was indeed the case.
Who cares? Why would that even matter?
It shows that he wanted to keep her quiet so he would lose voters. It other words, he devieved you. It would also be a felony if campaign funds were used to pay for her silence.
But apparently they weren't. Mueller is desperately looking for some kind of criminality in the whole silly kerfuffle. Stormy either want a big payout for more, or someone on left put her up to this, years after the fact. A majority of American citizens are sadly shaking their heads of this ongoing stupidity.
Wouldn't. Stupid cell phone.
Desperately? No. He is investigating, that's his job. He is following the fact where the evidence leads him. Again, that's his job. 17 total indictments, 5 of trumps own staff and 4 guilty pleas. Looks to me like he is finding plenty. If you truly believe that trump is completely innocent, then you have nothing to worry about.
One of the things I find curious is that the right wing professes to love law enforcement, and I can honestly say that since I have been using online blogs for the last 10 years, I have seen the right bend over backwards to justify just about everything police do, (even Michael Slager shooting a black man in the back 8 times, caught on camera), but now, the right wing is totally against the largest law enforcement agency in the country, the FBI. Why? Because trump, (who lies over 80% of the time), said so. That's sad.
I expect Mueller is wasting little time on the issue, it is the media that is titillated by the silicon diva. He is probably just adding the determination to the pile.
Mueller is probably wasting no time at all on the Daniels issue per se since that was handed off to the US attorney in NYC. I suspect he's more interested in Cohen's travels to Russia and the compelling evidence of crimes which caused a court to issue a no-knock warrant.
Likely it will be money laundering that takes Trump down.
A majority of Americans voted for someone other than Trump and he has in fact lost support since the election, thus only a majority of deplorable's who don't give a crap about morals, lying and cheating are shaking there empty heads with ongoing stupidity they've been afflicted with since birth.
I couldn't agree more, especially where Mueller has a top notch team of financial sleuths that know just what to look for.
No, Norman NO!! It is NOT 'bold-faced,' I think this came in with the computer age, the saying is BALD-faced, BALD, not bold, get it straight! I can't believe how many people say 'bold-faced,' it drives me
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Trump is sweating.
He raped his ex and cheated on all his wives. This was well known everyone prior to the election and his supporters could have cared less. So why should he have worried about an affair with Stormy coming out?
What?
Are we talking about Donald, or Slick Willy?
Considering the topic is about Trump and Stormy, I am not commenting about Clintion.
How many wives did Bill Clinton have again?
Still can't get over that BJ eh? Not getting any?
Apparently only one, but Hillary's only child was sired by Webster Hubbell. Just look at their pictures side by side.
Wait, what? LMFAO!!!! So if you look like someone, that immediately means that's their father or mother? Seriously? Wow, guess Tom Cruise is my dad then. YAY! [eye roll]
Trump looks like an Orange Crested Howler Monkey... Sure explains a few things, doesn't it?
Never mind Bill didn't have an ex but they are so driven to shift attention they know not what to do.
Is it a problem if I am older than Brad Pitt, can he still be my dad?
Then, we have problem. You see, when I saw Brad in "River runs Through", Right, then, and there, I adopted him. Cutest damn kid on two legs!
Well, apparently someone went back in time to fake Obama's birth certificate so I would say go for it if you want.. LOL
Yes Luke! I am your father!
Tom Cruise is my illegitimate love child so what does that make you?
Extremely doubtful?
Hi grandpa!
Your desperation is absolutely hilarious.
I find it quite easy to believe that Trump had a sexual relationship with Daniels and that he had her paid off to keep it quiet. Waiting for the criminal offenses to emerge before I find this even remotely interesting.
So far Daniels seems to be putting herself in the line of fire for criminal charges.
How so?
The potential charge of extortion.
But, what if it was Trump who initiated the deal? And the payoff?
Not really possible since the story about the affair was first published in 2011.
Their issue is a matter of contract law. There exists a non-disclosure agreement whereby Stormy Daniels isn't supposed to talk about her relationship with Trump. If she does, the court is supposed to force her to pay money every time she does. She is currently in breach of that contract and her defense is that the contract was invalid. They are arguing about this in court. It looks like Trump's lawyer paid her a bonus as a kind of insurance policy so she would be less tempted to talk.
I'm sure I have some details wrong, because I just haven't been that interested. Anyway, none of that is a crime.
I'll wait for the courts decision. There are reasons the contract would be invalid. I don't think that Stormy or her crack lawyer would pursue a suit against the President of the US unless they had a very good case. It would be totally inane, and neither one strikes me as being that stupid.
First why do you preclude the possibility that she is guilty?
Second, even if she is innocent of extortion that does not mean she is not vulnerable by the forces at play to charge her with extortion - at the time of the affair.
I am not saying extortion in the present - extortion at the time of the affair - initiating the payoff. She is vulnerable even if she is innocent of extortion.
You are in fact referencing the UNSIGNED contract?
There does not appear to be any payments made to her until 11 days before the election, so I'm not sure what you're talking about by "extortion at the time of the affair". Trump runs for President and Stormy expresses a desire to talk about her story and the affair she had with the Republican candidate while Trumps wife was at home with a four month old. Cohen then makes an offer to pay for her silence while also threatening her telling her Trumps lawyers would ruin her life if she didn't take the payment and walk away. They obviously didn't want it to get out that Trump was not the man being sold to the evangelicals and supposedly morally superior Republicans and Christian right. So Cohen lied to the bank to get a loan to pay off Stormy committing bank fraud and election fraud and then according to Rudy Trump paid him back.
Never ceases to amaze me that the religious right has absolutely no problems with this at all.
The affair is something Daniels could have held over celebrity Trump. She could have tried to cash in on this against Trump the celebrity and got nowhere. (Trump maybe did not care enough at the time.). But Trump the candidate had more to lose.
Nobody knows what actually took place between these two, but with the currently available facts it is difficult to not see Daniels taking advantage of her leverage. Did she try to extort at the time of the affair? Did she try to extort (and succeed) prior to the election? Did she get advice from others that violating her contract with Trump was worth the risks because of the potential for real money via book deals and beyond?
Neither party is an admirable character so it is easy to imagine the slimiest scenarios to be likely.
See the timeline at # 1.1.18.......the notion of extortion doesn't even remotely fit the timeline or the actual events.
And she "could" have given birth to a secret love child from Trump, but there is ZERO evidence of that or of any "extortion" during the 10 years from the affair to the candidacy. There are only claims and evidence of intimidation coming from team Trump along with hush money just weeks prior to the election in an effort to keep her story out of the news. After the Access Hollywood tape was already out but attention was diverted with the stolen DNC wikileaks release that same day as the tape release (coincidence? I think not), team Trump obviously didn't want another story coming out which would have reignited the sex scandal controversy just prior to the election. To claim it wouldn't have made any difference is beyond ridiculous. That means the $130,000 was specifically paid in an effort to help Donald Trump win the election which is a clear violation of election law and campaign finance laws.
After hundreds of shady business deals, it's about time for Trump to fall hard.
It is obvious that Trump held that Daniels could harm him. Thus it is equally obvious that one could accuse her of extortion.
The evidence has not emerged at this point so I do not see why anyone would defend either Trump or Daniels.
A lot of the evidence has been released, just not ALL the evidence, and the evidence so far points to Trump and his attorneys trying to intimidate and bribe Stormy into silence. She has every right to share her story and likely could have garnered a far larger payment from a magazine or book publisher for her story without having to "extort" anyone. Trumps attorneys were desperate to keep her from talking, bribing her with cash and threatening her with endless lawsuits telling her they would ruin her life if she talked during the campaign.
So you can blame Stormy if you wish, claiming she must be some mastermind of extortion who has held the reigns of the poor helpless billionaire who must not have had any ability to pay for attorneys to defend him or ability to go to the police in the last 10 years and show them how he was the victim of some extortion plan, but you'd have to be awfully gullible to believe that kind of nonsense.
TIG - IMO, Rudy is going to be Trump's biggest problem. Rudy has no idea of when to shut up or what he's gonna say - and that's gonna cause some serious issues.
If they did it would make their own dalliances problematic!
True to form, trump only picks the best people......time after time!
Correct. They saw a liability. Are you defending Daniels as a victim? From what I see, Trump is a scumbag and Daniels is an opportunist. Put those two together and quite a few possible scenarios emerge. None of us really know the facts but there is a reason Trumps wanted this hushed (an obvious one) and there is a reason Daniels is out clearly wanting to talk. Taking Trump or Daniels 'side' seems silly to me (at least at this point).
I am not blaming Daniels. Give me a break. I am not taking sides. Just because I observed a potential risk / reward scenario in Daniels' position does not mean that I am taking Trump's side.
Trump will probably fire him again. One thing Trump does well is burn through hired hands.
And, her lawyers contention is that the contract isn't valid because Trump never signed it.
So you're saying that a porn star who specializes in anal sex is not admirable?
Wouldn't want to fuck Stormy, but love watching her fuck over Trump.
And her lawyer could be risking disciplinary action from the Bar. All of his appearances on TV in this case seem designed more to promote his own notoriety than anything else. Second to that would be his oft-stated desire to bring down the president. I'm having a hard time seeing what he is doing for the best interests of his client.
Your first point is not worth addressing.
2) He may want to bring down the POTUS, but he is doing it legally. Not much you can do about that.
3) All they have been seeking is her freedom of speech to tell her story, do you oppose that?
Did she not tell her story on 60 minutes weeks ago?
The staggering part of her story is......no condom!
Yes, a good portion of it, but I think she wants to be able to talk without the threat of being sued. Which really makes no sense because trump used an alias, and never signed the bloody contract in the first place. The effing thing is a huge mess for both parties involved. Me? I just....
Hi mags ...
I have never understood the whole 'dreaded no condom' part of this story .. porn stars are tested on the regular for STD's .. I suppose Trump could have given her an STD, or she could have gotten pregnant - had those 2 things happened, she could have gotten even more money - I can see the headlines now...... : )
Definitely a mess MrFrost .... doubt anyone is telling the truth!
Sure, birth control pills work, but there is no defense against STD. Supposedly, she found him to be distasteful. Having sex without a condom is so trustful and as intimate as one can get.
It must have been a wam bam thank you mam!
I do not have sex with individuals I find distasteful .. did you? Having a baby by Trump, and only having to take his money for child support would not be that bad would it ... okay so yeah, I think it would be that bad... : )
There is NO truth to be heard .. only convoluted tales of what might have happened .. one thing I am semi confident of - money was a motivating factor behind the encounter .. via a possible shot at being on the Apprentice...
Geez....even Cosby's accuser got 4 million. That must have been pocket change ....130 thousand!
Apart from being coy with initial denials of the affair, Daniels has been quite consistent in the story she recounts.
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Or at least that was the line Trump used on more than one occasion in order to bang women he wasn't married to.
Yeah okay Skrekk ... Daniels good - Trump bad .. wake me up when either one of the opportunists find their Halos. Thanks
Yeah I know huh .. sort of makes one wonder 130k to keep quiet, she needs to work on her extortion skills, Trump is said to be a Billionaire : )
Rump says he's a billionaire. LOL
He's indebted up to his horrific combover.
All the Trump supporters seem to think Trump has a halo regardless of the fact he's a serial adulterer, cheated on all three of his wives, has paid huge amounts of money to keep his mistresses quiet, has been credibly accused by at least 19 women of sexual assault, has admitted on an open mic that he "doesn't even wait" for consent and just grabs women "by the pussy". If that is the new definition of a moral leader of the Republican party then fine, just come right out and say it, but to continue to claim the moral high ground while supporting this kind of slime is just beyond hypocritical. That's one of the biggest differences between conservatives and liberals, liberals have often supported legalizing prostitution while conservatives gnash their teeth in righteous indignation against it. So when a Democrat is caught with a prostitute it's not nearly as hypocritical as it is when a republican who has built their career on vilifying Democrats for their support of such is caught doing the exact thing they had been accusing their opponents of and telling the voters they shouldn't vote for the Democrat because of their lack of moral fiber.
So it's not so much "Trump bad", that's a given, how else could you view a serial adulterer, serially bankrupt narcissist who lies more than he tells the truth. The real issue is "Republicans Hypocrites" for supporting such a candidate that they all knew had no morals, has no values and is only telling his supporters what they want to hear. Even when Trump lies he can't get it right, like when he talked about knowing that scripture in "two Corinthians", how obvious a give away was that? No Christian from the time they were 6 years old would have referred to it as "two Corinthians" but the evangelicals and Christian right gave him a pass anyway because he was telling them what they wanted to hear. Trump is a fake, a phony, a liar, a cheat, a golden tongued snake whispering sweet nothings, tickling the ears of the poorly educated, white supremacists and the evangelicals and it's really sad to watch so many supposed Americans get so bamboozled and defrauded.
Serious projection issues.
There are some that will argue that is part of why that NDA isn't valid...especially when signed after it was already publicly disclosed.
Democrats kicked their own to the curb on simple allegations of an unwanted kiss and an inappropriate joke photo. If you truly believe Democrats would support a slime ball like Donald you're seriously delusional.
you come out with the damnest things.
He is still POTUS.
Stormy Daniels is a far more honorable person than Donald Trump will ever be.
And Trump's newest lawyer is find out right fast just how hard his job representing Trump will be:
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rump Undercuts Giuliani About Payments to Stormy Daniels
President Trump undercut his attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani on Friday, and said the former New York mayor will eventually get the facts right regarding a payment to a pornographic actress who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump.
“And virtually everything said has been said incorrectly, and it’s been said wrong, or it’s been covered wrong by the press,” Mr. Trump said.
“He is a great guy,” Mr. Trump said. “He’ll get his facts straight.”
In a series of Twitter posts the following morning, the president backed up what Mr. Giuliani said. But, on Friday, Mr. Trump added more confusion by saying that everything said “has been said incorrectly.”
“You know what? Learn before you speak. It’s a lot easier,” the president said.
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I can't help but wonder how long Giuliani will last. An egotistical crooked moron representing an even bigger egotistical crooked moron.
This should be fun to watch.....
Lol, it's like a spoof comedy about an insanely corrupt White House, staffed by a bunch of bumbling idiots who constantly implicate themselves!
The documentary "Idiocracy" was about the Trump regime.
How ironic a statement is that? LOL
Am I reading "whores are us" here?
WHO CARES? That's not a crime!! It something we all expect Trump has been doing for a long time. So what?!
The thing I am most weary of regarding Trump is the thing that makes me come to his defense the most. Leftists keep taking perfectly ordinary, common behavior and they try to make it into a scandal.
I suspect Melaria does.
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Actually it looks like violations of campaign finance laws, bank fraud and possibly tax fraud for Trump and Cohen. and Cohen likely faces disbarment as well.
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FYI, leftists aren't worried about the fact that there was an affair or that the public has actually known about it since 2011, nor do they care that Trump wants to keep his numerous affairs a secret from his wife and from the public. As always it's the coverup which is the real crime. But leftists are rather amused that so-called conservatives are so desperate to excuse the behavior of this vile sociopath.
No, it really doesn't look like any of those things. Just saying that it looks like those crimes, absent any explanation, is not convincing. There is no reason to think that this expenditure or any other on behalf of Trump - the man - is a campaign finance violation. Even politicians running for office have personal expenses. The money comes from their own bank accounts and Trump's accounts have plenty to spare. I have seen nothing specifically connecting this payment to money he raised via campaign donations. Heck, most of his campaign was self-funded. He's the candidate least likely to dip into campaign funds for money.
And even if the money did somehow come from campaign accounts, the resolution is repayment of the money and a fine. I think Bernie Sanders had to do something like that himself. It's just not that big of a deal. Bank fraud is similarly a groundless accusation and tax fraud I leave to the IRS.
Covering up an affair isn't a crime . . . unless you do it under oath. (See: Clinton & Lewinsky)
Please show me one person who has defended cheating on one's wife. All anyone has said is that it's not a crime, it's not an impeachable offense, it's old news, and we will overlook it because the alternative on Election Day was Hillary Clinton. I have seen no one say his behavior was somehow laudable.
That's BS and you know it. You're not amused. You're desperate for anything that will help your party politically. That's why you keep trying to criminalize legal behavior.
Here's some help for your failure to follow the story or comprehend the legal issues:
I see. Unable to explain it yourself, eh?
Believe me, I've heard the arguments. First, they are all a stretch. But second, as I have said elsewhere, it amounts to a paperwork violation that will, at worst, result in a fine.
Only if it was an unintentional oversight. John Edwards faced 6 criminal counts in federal court for doing exactly the same thing and he only barely got off the hook because the relation between the donations and the election was far less clear than it is in Trump's case.
But Rudy said on FOX News that this pay off was intended to influence the 2016 election because he said "can you imagine if this happened during a debate with Clinton in October". As Trump's lawyer what he says in public represents Trump's position. That is election fraud. Also if he paid Cohen the $34,000 a month to repay him for Stormy Daniels, knowing that it was invoiced money for legal work that was not preformed, plus a little profit for the firm and some for the IRS (as Rudy said) then that is also fraud and also an IRS felony. Also Rudy said that Trump paid a total of $470,000 in this manner, that begs the question, what was the extra money for? Did he pay someone else off that we don't know about? Did he pay extra "shut up" money to Cohen? And mostly, Rudy and Trump say they got together and put together this legal strategy (in private) themselves and sprang it on everyone else with no notice on TV. If that is true (and every source says it is) then other then legal suicide, what in the fuck were they hoping to accomplish?
Because this sure seems to be something that was planned out by two senile old men whose IQ (combined) is still in about the 70 degree range. The only conclusion one can reach is that Trump and Rudy are batshit crazy. Even Neil Cavuto is on FOX News wondering why Trump is lying so much and why the stink of the swamp he said he was going to drain is coming from him and if Trump loses Cavuto...he loses period. Without FOX, Trump is nothing and he is losing FOX.
Key word in your link is"could". Just another opinion piece that, like every other "could be", "maybe", "people familiar with", "unnamed sources", crap article libs have pushed the past 2 years but never been able to absolutely prove.
Rudy is a very intelligent attorney and knows the law better than any of the faux lawyers on this forum. He's knows exactly what he is saying and how to word it. Cohen is off the hook.
Pretty unlikely. The FBI wouldn't have gotten a warrant to "no knock" raid his property without some pretty solid evidence of wrong doing in the first place.
I'm still not impressed. Edwards spent over a million dollars of other people's money. Trump, via his lawyer, spent $130K of his own money. Edwards defrauded his donors. Trump didn't defraud anybody.
Really? Because we don't know where that money came from yet. Mueller might, other investigators might, but until we follow that money and find out where it started how it got there, nobody can say jack. He's lied about this from every angle, so why you believe one word he says is beyond me. I don't think he spent one dime of his own money and look forward to finding out the source. It laughable that republicans expect people to believe a compulsive liar. The entire world knows he is full of crap.
Exactly.
The dominoes keep falling and Trump chumps keep getting indicted. Glad I bought that case of Boy Scout popcorn.
That must be why Trump told him to shut up today, eh?
Melania!
Apparently not;
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Trump Undercuts Giuliani About Payments to Stormy Daniels
President Trump undercut his attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani on Friday, and said the former New York mayor will eventually get the facts right regarding a payment to a pornographic actress who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump.
“And virtually everything said has been said incorrectly, and it’s been said wrong, or it’s been covered wrong by the press,” Mr. Trump said.
In a series of Twitter posts the following morning, the president backed up what Mr. Giuliani said. But, on Friday, Mr. Trump added more confusion by saying that everything said “has been said incorrectly.”
“You know what? Learn before you speak. It’s a lot easier,” the president said.
Source: Source:
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So before you go patting good 'ol "Rudy" on the back, you should catch up with the current news from Trump's perspective.
Constant lying is something we should just accept as normal trumpspeak?
Not in my book.
Hi Tacos. This is not common behavior. Most people do not pay hush money so it doesn't negatively impact their campaign for President. Edwards tried it and it didn't turn out well for him.
Alternate Headline:
" Democratic Party Activist says things that help Democratic Party Narrative!"
hate-filled looser Socialist children
"Looser" is spelled L-O-S-E-R. Don't say I never gave you nuthin'.
I truly believe that the wheels of justice in the Daniels case may move forward quicker than anyone knows and that they do have proof. I also believe the swirling nonsense coming from Rudy G. will end up hurting Trump more than anyone realizes.
What nonsense is that? Rudy and Trump are two steps ahead of you. Cohen is and was the Muellers last, great hope, and now that is gone because no campaign funds were used. And apparently there are no viable witnesses left to interview, so this sham investigation should be wrapped up.
They were pedaling as fast as they could but the Mueller bus was getting close to making them road pizza, the Turkey Vultures probably won't touch the offal as it is too foul.
Not according to Trump's Tweets today. "Rudy" got all his 'facts' incorrect. Per Trump.
proof of what?
A life of unethical and illegal business, dealing with a sanctioned government in violation of sanctions. When your business practices are consistently delving into and associating with organized syndicates, your ability to cover your tracks becomes ever more difficult. There are far to many known instances of his complete lack of honesty and ethics. It is similar to the understanding of rats, if you see one there are fifty around.
The guy has been around since stone tablets. I think with all of these accusations you have, he would be serving some time by now. Clinton and Obama tried there hardest to get some dirt on him with fake dossiers, wire tappings, etc. Still nothing. Are Clinton and Obama complete morons?
But, let them keep pissing in the wind. It only shows the desperation.
Wow you really do drink the kool aid! The dossier is still being investigated but whereas so much relates to foreign government operations that they probably don't care to expose it comes to things that can be verified and some of those elements have been. Cohen said he had never been to Prague and the Dossier said he met with a Russian operative there, TA DAH he was there, proven. Wiretapping, keep reaching, Cohen had his Pen files accessed for records of whom he called and who called him not the conversation! Wiretapping has a high threshold. require a How many questionable wealthy people get investigated? Payoffs work miracles. They only come under scrutiny when they do something so egregious that an investigation can be allowed by the court. Welcome to the big now.
blah blah blah....where's the beef? lol
That's the kind of response that defines "I can't refute the claim so I belittle". When the dust has settled and the indictments filed all the deniers will claim deep state conspiracy and fake news.
Dossier has been mostly proven true. Wire tapping never happened.
Have a super day.
That's what Stormy Daniels said. and Melania. and Ivana.
Probably true but note that the Daniels case is really about the cover up of a campaign finance violation, and that will move through the courts much faster than the Mueller investigation.
Also Cohen has significant exposure in regards to the "Russia thing."
Too bad she wasn't impregnated. A brother for Barron.
It was interesting that the NDA required Daniels not to talk about any bastard kids Trump has, and that the clause wasn't confined to just future bastard kids.
Thank goodness that didn't happen, it's cruel and unusual punishment to be the progeny of such a worthless dip shit.
Is not "blackmail" a crime? and there is proof that due to the "blackmail" Cohen gave in and tried to keep Stormy quiet?
Then she reneged on her agreement because the media whores offered her more money.
The contract wasn't even signed and she was not paid by media so that is an epic fail, throw more rocks and maybe one will hit something.
why was she given the money again? because of an agreement...correct?
keep pissing in the wind
I promise you it's not Stormy Daniels. She can't afford him.
Unless she's paying him with her own version of "services rendered" which would be an ethics violation.
Daniels is actually quite wealthy. Who is paying trumps lawyers? RNC...NRA, Koch...
Her net worth is around 2 million dollars. Not counting income from movies in circulation. She can afford him easily.
She has no need to prove anything to you and it is interesting that you would expect to see the tax record of a private citizen and give a pass to the sitting president that has said he would release them and yet does not. Do you despise her because she is standing up to trump or is it because she made her money in the sex industry which repressed people churn in angst and torment.
As soon as we see trumps. LOL
Why? Because she fucked your messiah and is now making his life a living hell? Too bad trump couldn't keep his dick in his pants, he would have avoided the whole mess. But oh no, couldn't do that, and now that his pay off has fallen through, you are STILL sticking up for that POS? Sad!
The porn industry is a multi-billion dollar a year industry and Daniels cashed in. She isn't broke, and just because that's what you keep screaming at yourself in your little echo chamber simply doesn't make it true. I know you wont look it up yourself because it would blow a hole in rhetoric.
Why do you hate women?
Rather fuck media whores than the orange insanity.
I bet you never watch pornography do you Normie?
That is the goal of extortionists like her .
You mean, THESE "liberals"?
Extortion? How so? The payment was OFFERED, not requested. Also, cause and effect? Had trump kept his dick in his pants, this wouldn't even be an issue in the first place.
A lot of those Republican actors were affiliated with the party when it actually was the republican party and not the bastardized arm of the evangelicals, the so-called constitutionalists that couldn't care less about what the Constitution actually says.
While consuming porn on the down low.
I voted for Obama twice. Next question?
Blackmail and extortion are in fact illegal, but I do not know nor do I expect you know either how the events came to pass. It could have easily been preemptive on trumps part fearing disclosure.
Very true ... it is all speculation (doubt anyone is telling the truth), yet "blackmail" is used in reference to Daniels actions - 'blackmail' is not that far of a stretch, I doubt Cohen went looking for her to offer her money as a 'precaution', but I suppose it could have happened that way. Daniels took the money, signed the contract, then broke the agreement and her silence to tell a story of a 'one night stand' with the man that 'would 10 years later be' President.... her story is ever bit as skewed as the presidents denial.
I am still trying to figure out when a 'one night stand' became an affair................
Her telling is it seems a one off event it was the other lady in the news that had the ongoing affair and it appears she full anticipated it would last much longer. Her agreement while paid was still not finalized and not enforceable. she would however by ethics need to return the money if she decided to forego the contract. Given the unethical parties to the contract she could actually keep the money and do what she damned well pleased, lie down with dogs get up with fleas.
Pretty sure I can believe anything bad, ever said about Trump. Did the research and it is all true.
Makes no difference to me .. slow news day - I read "absolutely, positively" there is evidence" ... so figured I would not have to think too hard to comment on this subject matter ... I just see it as a two lane dead end street - I find it hard to believe that this will bring Trump down (do not think felony campaign finance laws can be proved to have been broken) .. unless, did Daniels work on the Trump campaign and have connections with the Kremlin?
If it does bring Trump down, so be it - I planned to write in Nikki Haley in 2020 anyways!
If she runs, she may have my vote. Have to wait and see.
That should be your first clue that NK won't give up its nukes.
1) Trump denies the affair even happened. "Fake News".
2) Trump says he didn't know about the 130k paid to Daniels in the affair that never happened.
3) Rudy G. says Trump DID pay the 130k to Cohen...in the affair that never happened.
And the cons bought it every time trump said it....
How far back are we going to move the goal posts when trump is indicted for campaign finance fraud, (which is a felony)?
Which is a misdemeanor election campaign financing violation. IF it can be proven that Trump knew about the payoff at the time, it could be a felony campaign financing violation. John Edwards was crucified when it was found out donors paid Rielle Hunter during the 2008 campaign.
No it doesn't.
I, and a lot of other people see a person paying a hooker for services rendered.
That's the only honest statement in this whole article.