Oregon DOT employee suspended after Facebook post calling on immigrants to be shot
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An Oregon woman who works for the Department of Transportation was suspended after she allegedly made remarks on Facebook calling for illegal immigrants to be shot at the Mexican border.
The department announced on Thursday that a member of staff had been placed on leave after the post was widely shared on social media.
Lori McAllen, who has since deleted all of her social media accounts, reportedly wrote on Facebook: “I personally think they should shoot them all at the border and call it good… it’ll save us hardworking AMERICANS billions of dollars on our taxes !! 
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The offensive post was shared along with her Twitter bio, which read: “I don’t have room in my heart for drama, disrespect or hate.. either love your life or make a change!”
When the post began circulating online, Oregon’s DOT responded on Twitter, saying: “An employee linked to an offensive Facebook post is on leave while we investigate. We take this matter very seriously and very personally. The comment doesn’t reflect our agency values and is disturbing and hurtful. Thank you for your patience as we complete the investigation.”
They subsequently added: “We’re aware of a post that has been rapidly circulating through social channels espousing views offensive & abhorrent to the values of our agency. There is an active investigation into the matter. Thank you to those who have shared your concerns and we take this matter seriously.”
Dave Thompson, a transportation spokesman, told CBS News they had received thousands of comments online and more than 100 phone calls.
“The social media posts were coming in fast and furious – it went viral,” he said. ““HR is talking to her to determine if that was really her who wrote it.
He added: “We I looked for [her Facebook page] at about 7:30 yesterday morning, it was already gone. I don’t know if she took it down or somebody else did, but it’s gone.”
McAllen, from Linn County, currently earns $2,883 a month and works as a full-time DOT clerk, a position she has held for less than a year.
The Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy on children being separated from their parents when they illegally attempt to cross the border has provoked international outcry.
President Trump has subsequently signed an executive order that will end the policy of family separation.
Around 500 of the more than 2,300 children separated have been reunited since May, a senior Trump administration official said on Thursday, although it is unclear how many of them are still being detained with their family.
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Another Facebook tragedy. People - delete your Facebook accounts! If you're going to say something really stupid, don't risk saying it to an audience big enough to get you fired. Same goes for twitter, Instagram, etc.
There's so much dumb-- and very nasty stuff on NT as well. Should we also therefore delete our NT accounts?
1) The only people who pay attention to NT are NT members. Not exactly a Facebook level membership database.
2) NT is anonymous. People who use their real names here, when they don't need to, are not very bright IMO. For something like $20 a month, there are services that allow unlimited investigative searches for information on strangers. All you need to know is a name and a rough location, and you can find all kinds of information.
I may not be very bright, but I decided not to hide behind a mask of anonymity here on NT and that is why my name here is what it is.
I compromised, no reason to put TMI out there.
My real name is Skrekk. That's my pic too, although I was a bit younger then.
You're really fuzzy! Cute but fuzzy!
Sorry to burst your bubble, but not being anonymous here does not make you look more brave. It does open you up to someone possibly finding out your street address and how much you paid for the house though.
A while back, I signed up for a month of one of these services. I wasn't getting the response I had expected on a couple resumes I submitted, so I wanted to make sure that there wasn't some bogus shit about me in some database somewhere. I came up clean, but I was amazed at how much information you could glean on anyone. I found out all kinds of crap about people I used to associate with from another state, and the dui and lengthy driving infraction records of my coworker. My impression of someone I know only by their commentary on the internet was turned upside down when I saw how much they paid for their house. It did not jive very well with the average working Joe that they presented themself as online. I cancelled the service, but it was an eye opener for what tools are available for people who have ill intent.
Natural blond or your fur just went white at a young age?
I prefer "champagne blond", although most folks complain about how I leave long white hairs on everything I touch.
what ?! why are you leaving those beautiful "champagne blond" hairs everywhere ?!? you should keep them and make them into wigs ! you could be rich !
Brave has nothing to do with it. I just decided to be me.
Agreed. When will people understand that FB is not really private. Maybe if you only have a few people listed as friends, whom you can trust, it could work. Where politics are concerned, trust nobody. George Will once said that "we have become equally but not sharply divided". Right now it's become the opposite - we are not equally divided but sharply divided.
I don’t use Facebook anymore and have little about me on here. I got doxxed once. When I was on AOL and the sn I used was an email I used then that was found in a government public info site with my personal info. The person who did it and posted it and those who spread it around AOL boards were not banned from there.
That's the other part of it, those who own & operate it are progressives. I had an account with less than 10 people and my only rule was NO POLITICS
So a state employee in Oregon doesn't have free speech rights on her own time but pieces of human excrement like Randa Jarrar and the paralegal who cursed at Trump get to keep their jobs with no consequences?
She called for killing immigrants. Did the folks you are speaking of do that?
Dancing on the grave of an admired First Lady is just as classless and tasteless as wishing for criminals to be executed. And yes, giving your opinion on what you wish SHOULD happen to someone is still protected free speech. Has Peter Fonda been arrested for promoting sexual assault on a child?
Uh, no.
Uh, yes. She should not lose her job over an internet comment.
A comment about murdering people. Figures that’s this site’s most fervent Christian poser is defending murder. Clearly you aren’t a real Christian.
I didn’t say she should have said that nor did I say it was ok or right for her to advocate her POV in that forum or even to have that belief. I simply said that she shouldn’t lose her job over it.
You have to remember, Oregon is one of the states pushing for Sanctuary status. Therefore, any Social Media post by a state employee opposed to a state stance is going to reflect badly on the state. The person forgot that and on top of it called for a violent solution not just to send them back to their country of origin with a rebuke to apply legally for a VISA or asylum. Frankly, anyone who proposes violence as a solution, like Peter Fonda, should lose all of their privileges on social media.
Employees are free to have opinions that run counter to the government. This is not some socialist Soviet state where we all have to pledge solidarity to our leaders. The idea that saying somebody should be shot is a serious call for violence is completely absurd and ridiculous. Do you really believe she plans on flying all the way to the border, walk through crowds of national guard members and the border patrol and shoot somebody in cold blood? That's as ridiculous as saying Madonna is secretly obtaining dynamite to fulfill her threat to blow up the White House or that Johnny Depp wants to be the next John Wilkes Booth.
Actually, you have to balance your freedom of speech with how that speech reflects on the business or agency that you work for. In this case, what she said (without the violence) would have probably resulted in a conversation with her boss. By adding the directive to be violent to those crossing the border illegally, she proclaimed something that is anathema to all good governments. She was essentially advocating a "shoot first, ask questions later" position, which we criticize all police forces for doing when it happens.
Skirting The CoC "BF"
Bingo.
BF - There may have been one little blurb in that post that was questionable, but tell me what was wrong with the rest of it. Do your fucking job.
Sounds like you don't understand how free speech works.
Is the government forbidding her from expressing her opinions? No? Then her free speech rights are not being affected. Freedom of speech allows you say anything you want, it does not free you from the consequences of doing so, especially when you say something really, really dumb (not unlike that idiot woman who gavethe finger to Trumps motorcade. She had the freedom to do so and then was fired as a consequence)
You can be fired for your speech/actions at almost any job. It is usually listed in the employment contract as moral turpitude.
Then why the hell is Randa Jarrar still employed and completely undisciplined?? Tenured professors in some states are completely untouchable unless they violate an extremely limited set of rules. It is a blatant double standard the one govt employee is given total freedom and the other is punished for PRIVATE (on her own time) speech.
Because she's employed at Fresno State University.
The employer decides. Go complain to them.
Tenured professors are effectively protected by other pseudo intellectual tenured professors who despise any that don't think and act in lock step with their own pathetic progressive Marxist value system.
Uh, actually, tenured professors are protected by their tenure. Once they’re tenured, they can be as controversial as they want, as long as they aren’t breaking the law. They have great leeway to speak as they please without repurcussion, and can only show up for the bare minimum of what they are required, if they so desire. That’s an abuse problem of the tenure status, not politics.
No it isn't, it is simply a difference in their employment contracts. And you do realize that all the first amendment means is that you cannot be placed in prison or otherwise punished or harassed by the government (and even that has limits), it in no way shape or form protects you from being fired for being a fuckin idiot. If you wouldn't feel comfortable saying something to your boss, don't post it on social media like a dumb ass.
Did you get promoted to moderator here?
Being a moderator is a promotion? Lol from what I've seen around here it's a punishment.
It’s just that purple is their holy and royal color and us mere subjects are not to eat of that fruit 🍎. You may be right though about the demotion part. And to think that I used to want to do it. What was I thinking 🤔?
Of course she does. That doesn't mean there are not consequences to certain expressions of that right.
She has every right to say anything she wants. The Oregon DOT has a right to fire her for it. Before you post anything on facebook just say to yourself, do I want to be Rosanne today?
Another example from today's news:
speaking of 'todays news.'
The "I don't really care--do you" story quickly disappeared. Wonder why?
The 24 hour news cycle has a self imposed time limit. Hell, Donald Trump can't even go 24 hours without burying one headline about his incompetence with another one.
Because the squirrels moved onto another fake crisis today.
I will admit I am a little surprised myself, though.
When they were raging on about Melania wearing high heels onto a plane, they stewed about it for DAYS.
False. Here NT the Obama lies about emails has been up for days.
The 'I don't really care--do you' disappeared before Noon today. With dozens of comments and still building.
untrue
fact
Can I get you a tissue?
Could be because the Obama thread/seed is factual with plenty of supporting links and the FLOTUS coat is pure bullshyt?
I heard a good theory on that jacket thingy.
Notice she wore it when she left the WH and was wearing it again when she returned? I heard some one say that it was directed at her husband
Still pretty tone deaf given the context of the flight. However it's clear that whatever the reason it was an intentional statement.....there's no way on an 80+ degree day (or any other day) that Melaria wears a $39 jacket from a discount outlet like Zara. She'd only wear it if someone had paid over $1K for it.
John Russell suggested it was her giving her husband the middle finger. I like that theory, too.
It was completely tone-deaf but I thought she was wearing a jacket because it might have been raining/chilly in DC. But then I found out it was 81 degrees when she left.
So, The First Lady did not wear that jacket with that wording to a detention center in Texas?
What do you bet that the Trump family loaded up on stock in the company that sells that hideous jacket that morning.
Uh no, no tissue needed. Did you see the Jacket? Was it photo shopped? Or was it real? If it was real, why did Melania Trump choose that jacket which retails for $39.99 when I know she has an excellent wardrobe of coats and jackets-----especially to wear at a public event such as this one is turning out to be.
If they did that would it not be violating the 'emoluments clause?'
Oh wait. No longer applicable.
OH! You mean like the right wing fake news blowing a gasket when Obama wore a tan suit? You guys came unhinged when that happened....and lets not forget the "mom jeans" that the right also went on a tirade about for....well, it never has stopped. But you are all shocked and shaken when the left slams Malaria for her clothing choices, (or lack of clothing)? Hey, remember when the right blew a fuse because Michelle Obama exposed her arms? I do... And where was that outrage when photos of Malaria Trump surfaced of her, stark ass naked, in bed, with another woman? Bare arms, bad, naked in bed with another woman, good.. Got ya..
Save the fake outrage.
Most likely true. Zara, the company that makes that jacket, has a history of antisemitism and subtly putting swastika's in their clothing.
Link for above post.
I never understood what the wingnuts were whining about in those cases. I presume it had something to do with Obama being a black guy, like tan suits clash with brown skin or something.
No, she didn't wear it into the facility. It was her way of saying "FUCK YOU" to the nay sayers, the haters, and the press.
WTF difference does it make besides to a bunch of sniveling whiners with too much time on their hands?
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/whats-hot/retailers-are-selling-i-really-care-jackets-in-response-to-melania-trump-to-raise-money-for-immigrant-families-—-and-theyve-already-sold-out-twice/ar-AAz1XYL?li=BBnb7Kz
So far the collection has sold out twice and already raised $30,000 in the span of a few hours.
"Our customers have gone bananas over this," McIlroy said.
You seem triggered... Switch to decaf maybe..
It is going to require more than decaf.
There is an expected level of civility, maturity, and decorum expected from the First Lady and that coat was not an appropriate way to express her feelings toward the press and others.
But you are all shocked and shaken when the left slams Malaria for her clothing choices, (or lack of clothing)?
I just think that it’s weird that I have seen the first lady’s fully naked body - nipples, full bush, drugged out sultriness on her face - just by googling her name with the word ‘nude’. That should not be normal for a First Lady. I guess that would explain the jacket.
Fox news... LMAO!!!
When one resorts to swearing to excuse his lack of point the swear words bear more weight than the pointless point one is pointedly trying to make.
Pay attention and one will be more prosperous.
If you would stop replying to me, it wouldn't.
You don't pay attention.
or did you just not comprehend?
Jack, You were the one who asked the mods to tell me that you wanted me to ignore your replies. About a day or so ago you told me that I should not reply to you about religious subjects, but it was fine if I replied to you on secular threads. Please make up your mind or just ignore all of my replies.
Thank you.
He doesn't pay attention.
I have repeatedly told you to retract your slanderous statement, and you refuse. I am done with you. I can't abide such dishonesty.
Stay out of this--it isn't any of your business.
Pay attention.
No, she did not.
Did not, what?
Learn how to remember your own comments - "So, The First Lady did not wear that jacket with that wording to a detention center in Texas?"
No, she did not wear the jacket to the detention center.
BTW - your comment was off-topic.
In related news Corey Lewandowski has been dropped by his "speakers bureau" because he's such a cruel and heartless dick. Womp, womp.
He got Milo'd.
None of them were put into cages.
When I set up my facebook I set it up as "Private" the only people that see my timeline is the people I friended. Even then I'm careful what I post there. mainly its a tool to help keep in contact with distant relatives and that's all I use it for.
I know people that set their facebook up as "Public" and ended up losing a job over what they posted on their facebook page.
Why the Hell would you air your dirt in public ?
True. I HAD a facebook account but deactivated it 5 years ago. Not worth the hassle.
Ditto that. Mine is private and I do not put anything relating to my job or my company's name on any social media.
I have mine locked down as much as possible and even then I only use it to wish people happy birthday, happy anniversary, professional congratulations and other life moments. It is just not worth the hassle.
Because some people are very, very, VERY fucking stupid.
In recent times I was hammered into opening an fb account by a couple agencies because my resume was getting very few hits.
I relented and locked it down as tight as possible. I use it for nothing, absolutely nothing other than to let the idiots processing job applications "know I undedrstand how to use the internet". Keep in mind I applied to jobs online that were posted on the internet.
Idiots.
Never mind the fact I have written custom interfaces for the DoD using the original DARPA protocol definitions which the internet was based on. (Hey, maybe I invented the internet too???)
Idiots.
We have, as a nation, placed our ability to reach out for job prospects into the hands of idiots using bots to filter resumes and then we are thrown into processes following rules similar to those governing games to which young preschool aged children are subjected.
Anyhow, after opening that fb account my resume hits about quadrupled. Similar thing after I added a picture to my LinkedIn account.
The experience gave the sensation of living in Idiocracy,
Sorry for the soap box. I'm done.
She sort of looks like Ivanka, maybe there's a job for her in the White House.
Naw, looks like the position of, "disgusting whore" has already been filled.
Man she is a fucking idiot.
If she wants to make statements (even as a joke) that won’t impact her job, then she shouldn’t attach her name to them. Public employees usually have unions and/or strong statutory protections. Normally, those protections prevent an employer from disciplining one employee for misconduct while ignoring other employees who do basically the same thing. If other employees have made similar off-color statements (like Trump or his supporters should be shot) and she has evidence that her employer was aware of it yet took no action, then she may have a defense and should get a lawyer to protect her job.
Even without evidence of others being retained I believe that if she has a strong union she'll retain her job. Hopefully at least she and others take a lesson away from this incident
That will depend on if she is an hourly employee or a salaried employee. Given her job title, she would likely be a salaried employee, and as such, would likely not be entitled to Union representation, as salaried employees are not Union members.
Raven you're quite possibly correct, I honestly don't know. Given the lack of follow up on a lot of stories we may never know the outcome.
Not necessarily. The federal government, for instance, has statutory protection under civil service laws and additional protection for salaried employees who have unionized. It depends on what’s available to government employees in her state.
I agree. There are a lot of information gaps that can lead to confusion as to the outcome.
That could be true. At the state government agency that I worked for, only the hourly employees had union representation, middle and upper management were not represented by any union. However, they might have had some level of protection under the state in some way.
The real lesson here for everyone, and it makes me kinda hate the human race that this lesson STILL has not been learned, is that you should at all costs avoid making dumb ass statements on social media that can be viewed by the public, your boss, your coworkers etc. If you wouldn't say it in the break room around those people then don't post that shit online. The first amendment does not in any way shape or form protect you from being fired for saying something stupid online. Is this really that complicated?
Or, just get rid of any social media accounts that are publicly associated with your real name. It’s that easy. I’m sure that anyone who creates a Facebook account, does so with the certainty that this won’t happen to them. Then it does, because of a momentary lapse of judgement. As they say, you can’t unring a bell, or unsend an email.
These people who claim they need Facebook to keep up with their friends and family should consider that Facebook has not been around forever, and that people managed to keep track of (real) friends and family events with email, texting, calendars, etc. I think that there is some sense of false self importance that comes with having a centrally located database of “friends”, even when it is clear that most of these people in your friends list you really don’t give two shits about.
She will probably be fired as she has worked there for less than a year. She, also, lives in the same county as I do:
She probably worked in either the Albany or Lebanon DMV offices, otherwise she worked anywhere from Eugene to Salem as they are all about 1 hour or less drive from my residence and I am east of Lebanon, OR.