If All You've Got is a One-Line, Ad Hominem, Empty-Rhetoric Response, Don't Embarrass Yourself … Just Walk on Bye!
While Hillary Clinton was not the best of POTUS candidates, based upon, if nothing else, experience and intelligence, she was a more sensible choice than was Donald Trump; and, to those who, for any of a number of ill-informed, uninformed “reasons,” put Trump and his self-serving oligarchs and self-indulgent misfeasants in charge ... a pox on all your houses.
• To religionist-hypocrite-white-nationalists hiding behind the guise of “evangelical-Christians,” you managed to elect an Antichrist , your true colors showning vividly when you forgave Mark Sanford for marital infidelity, but punished him for being a Judas to Donald Trump.
HYPOCRISY , thy name is “PRO-LIFE-FAMILY-VALUES-’CHRISTIAN’-WHO-APPLAUDS-THE-IMPRISONING-OF-BABIES-TO-ENABLE-A-PRESIDENT-TO-OVERTURN-ROE-V-WADE!”
To Black Americans of voting age who stayed home on Election Day because, after all, “Hillary was no Obama,” you were instrumental in giving the white nationalists their “Great White Hope!”
And, with Jeff Sessions as Trump’s Attorney General, “law and order” in the form of taking brown babies from parents escaping violent drug gangs, human traffickers, rapists and murderers, and, locking them in cages, you insured the continued shooting deaths of unarmed black men, and/or their arrests at a rate, thirty percent greater than whites who commit the same crimes!
But wait, there’s more ... with a Trump Supreme Court, good luck with getting the Voting Rights Act restored!
• Jewish voters who love their “pro-Israel Donald,” are you with him regarding those “fine people” among the Neo-Nazis who marched in Charlottesville reminding you that “Jews will not replace them?”
Hey, but you got that embassy right where you wanted it! And, ever standing by to keep the eternal light of anti-semitism burning 24/7 ... are Stephen Bannon, Steven Miller, Gorka and others ... oh! almost forgot ... the Jewish son-in-law who provides you with that comforting, albeit false sense of “he’s not a Dathan and he won’t let anything happen to us” ... (will he?)!
• And what suburban white-woman-Trump-voter wouldn’t want a tough-talking hulk of a crotch-grabbing philanderer in the Oval Office, this, to make her feel safe in her gated community home Caucasianville?
I must speculate that “these damned Hillaries threaten the prescribed, traditional American place for women” ... which is, after all, to know their place; Home and hearth ladies ... that’s where your Republican-family-values husbands, friends, houses of worship and Roseann Barr decree, that, for your own good … you should then, now and forever … be!
• And bless the little hearts of the so-called “low information voters” who assimilate without inquiry, all they need to know to cast a vote ... the “knowledge” that fits on a bumper sticker or baseball cap; just a few succinct, emotionally-charged words, catchy, easy to remember, cathartic to parrot repetitiously to a like-minded narrow circle … “lock her up,” “drain the swamp,” “build the wall,” “ban the Muslims,” and, oh, yeah … “Make America Great Again!” Turn on Fox, fuel the white resentments with lies du jour, and, blame a scapegoat! Get your misinformation where complicated thoughts go to die, and, when an inconvenient truth leaks into an otherwise simplistically configured “mind” ... break out the “Fake News” placard!
• To Bernie devotees who stayed too long at the fair and third party voters who anointed themselves as chic “senders of a message to Washington,” your unawareness of, or, failure to heed the “Ralph Nader” lesson-of-POTUS-election-history, resulted in, not just wasted votes, but votes that Biblically might taunt … “He who troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind … ,” or, in this case, a corrupt, narcissistic, incompetent bully who thinks he’s KING!
• To old, resentful Trump-loving White people who would prefer a return to the Fifties (if not to a resurrected antebellum America), you now face the possibility of a privatized, insufficient Medicare, Social Security, and, to be Trumped out of coverage for your pre-existing medical conditions … could it be that you will be rendered “too poor to live” … to have to choose between life, death or bankruptcy? Are any of you among those who cried, “Keep government hands off of health care … but don’t touch my Medicare!!”?
• Working stiff “pie-in-the-sky” believers that a “Tax Reform and JOBS Bill” promise from a con man who stiffed contractors and others of the American labor force … was just an election-fulfillment away … REALLY? And, how the hell did some Trump-endorsing union members fail to consider the historical and perennial Republican bashing of collective bargaining rights and proponents of “Right-to-work” (for less money and unsafe working environments)? What were you thinking?
Were you thinking?
• To those who wanted “a change” and yet, still voted based to one extent or another on issues of race, preferences emanating from religious beliefs or sheer religiosity-without-deference-to-rationality, you nevertheless allowed fear-stoked votes to be reinforced by candidates’ incessant lying and stereotyping of “others-who-are-not-like-yourselves,” … apparantly you never heard the quote …” Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
Well, you can keep the change!
• To t hose who wanted a “Jess Willard” POTUS and either had the unmitigated temerity to openly express it unequivocally, or to just a concurring cohort, or, who were at least wise enough to harbor such ugliness in the privacy of your own, tainted myopia … an especially virulent pox on your houses!
• To those who wanted a “drained swamp” — I give you Tom Price, Scott Pruitt, Ivanka/Jared earnings of $82 million in their first year as Advisors to the POTUS, regular Trump-Constitution-violations of the Emoluments Clause … Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution that restricts members of the government from receiving gifts , emoluments , offices or titles from foreign states without the consent of the United States Congress … assuming of course, a Congress comprised of right-minded public servant non-spineless lapdogs. ‘Course, you know what is said of those who assume.
From the Tee, to the fairway, to the green, to the holes at Mar a Lago, and other “swampy” places … 1. $26.98 million in flights and weekends to Mar-a-Lago , 2. $13 million for Mar-a-Lago security , 3. $8.48 million for flights to Bedminster , 4. $103,000 to cover golf carts for the Secret Service , 5. $3.4 million for Palm Beach law enforcement during Trump visits , 6. $75 million to protect Melania and Barron in New York , 7. Trump’s golf trips rarely involve White House business., 8. At this rate, Trump will outspend 8 years of Obama in 3-4 years.
• To those aforementioned and to those who did not vote because “all candidates are the same,” who were otherwise too busy watching sit-com reruns … to James Comey, Russian Bots, Wikileaks, Julian Assange, Cambridge Analytica (Stephen Bannon, Donald Trump, Jr., Paul Manafort, Vladimir Putin and Associates, and the Trump Ministry of Propaganda {Fox, Breitbart, Sinclair Broadcasting, et al) …
… if/when Donald J. Trump succeeds in putting to death, the very idea of “AMERICA,” the Constitution of the United States, and, whatever elements of human decency government can foster …
IT WILL BE ON YOUR HEADS!
A Pox on all your houses!
Great screed, Mac! Well done!
But... why didn't you let go, just a bit?
I could have handed them their assess but I'm, in a good mood today … almost forgiving and magnanimous.
This in NOT A SEEDED ARTICLE … masquerading as "news" or an actual "report."
IT IS AN EDITORIAL … and while editorials are necessarily opinionated, they are not necessarily inaccurate … in fact, a strong editorial makes its case by way of SPECIFIC REFERENCES, references that make clear, from who/what/where and when the editorial writer's opinion emanates … and THE VERY REASONS WHY the writer if of the stated opinion(s) expressed.
NOTE: UNLESS A COMMENT IS A DIRECT ATTACK ON MYSELF OR ANOTHER MEMBER, it will stand … a somewhat reliable way to assess "who's who" and "what's-what-with-who" … is to let them bloviate their vitriol.
I did vote for Hillary but why do I feel like I just got hit with a broom stick?
Great editorial, Amac!
Counting down to the first Hillary, Obama and Nancy Pelosi (derogatory) references in the comment section.
Shame on anyone who didn't vote for Hillary. You are to blame for the lowest unemployment in a generation and lowest unemployment among minorities in the countries history.
not to mention that you allowed Trump to:
• Appoint Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and more than 75 other constitutionally sound federal judges, 30 of which are serving.
• Reinstate an expanded Mexico City Policy blocking foreign aid from being used for abortions.
• Issue an order killing two federal regulations for every new one. In actuality, 16 were cut for every new one in his first year, saving billions.
• Engineer a historic tax cut that will save money for more than 80 percent of American households.
• Withdraw the U.S. from the Paris Climate Agreement, ending the threat of U.S. governance by international bureaucrats.
• Reverse onerous Obama environmental rules that gave the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) ham-handed authority to destroy the coal industry and abrogate landowners’ rights.
• Kick-starte America’s energy sector by curtailing regulations, facilitating the Keystone XL Pipeline and opening up vast federal areas to oil and gas exploration.
• Preside over an economic and stock market boom, lowered unemployment and brought manufacturing jobs back to America from overseas.
• Rebuild the nation’s military, destroyed ISIS (How come he did it so fast while BO couldn't defeat the "JV Team" for 8 years? Oh that's right, his policy of irresponsibly pulling out from Iraq Created them so it wasn't really 8 years that he had to defeat his own monster.)
• Issue an order enforcing First Amendment protections for religious liberty.
• Crack down on sex trafficking. Trump signed a law allowing states to move against sex-ad Internet sites, and the Justice Department on April 6 seized and shut down Backpage.com, which carried ads for prostitution, including trafficked children.
• Overhaul the mismanaged Veterans Administration and giving veterans more health care choices.
• Replace Obamacare incrementally, beginning with a repeal of the individual mandate.
• Impose sanctions on Venezuela’s socialist dictatorship and revising Obama’s deals with communist Cuba.
• Recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and repairing damage that Obama did to the U.S.-Israel relationship.
• Work with Central American nations to crack down on MS-13 gangs.
I could debunk or CORRECTLY REPRESENT A NUMBER OF THESE … I might do it later on.
I look forward to that.
Let me begin with …
• Work with Central American nations to crack down on MS-13 gangs.
Not only has Trump lied significantly regarding the number of MS-13 gang members in America … HE LOCKS UP THE CHILDREN OF THE PARENTS WHO LEGALLY COME TO AMERICA TO PETITION FOR ASYLUM FROM …
MS-13 GANGS IN THE COUNTRIES FROM WHICH THEY SEEK ASYLUM!!!
Donald Trump exaggerates on number of MS-13 gang members deported
There are an estimated 10,000 MS-13 gang members in the United States. Not all are immigrants. Some are U.S. citizens who can’t be deported.
Still, we wondered about Trump’s claim that MS-13 gang members are being deported "by the thousands."
We found that thousands of gang members have been deported under Trump’s administration. However, it’s unclear how many of them were MS-13 gang members, because U.S. Customs and Immigration Enforcement does not track removals by specific gang affiliation. An expert who researches gangs and criminal justice said there is a lengthy process between a gang member’s arrest and deportation.
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ICE does not track gang removals by specific gang, but the agency does specifically target MS-13 members for arrest and removal on the basis of their immigration violations, said Matthew Bourke, a spokesman for the agency.
Bourke said 5,396 gang members were removed in fiscal year 2017 (which includes about four months of the Obama administration, running from Oct. 1, 2016 through Sept. 30, 2017).
From Oct. 1, 2017 through Dec. 16, 2017 (the latest data available), 1,082 gang members were removed.
It’s impossible to determine how many of them were MS-13 gang members.
There is other data indicating the Trump administration’s efforts to deport MS-13 gang members, but that doesn’t necessarily support Trump’s claim.
ICE’s Homeland Security Investigations division arrested nearly 800 MS-13 gang members in fiscal year 2017.
ICE’s investigations division arrested 405 MS-13 gang members, Bourke said, citing first-quarter data for fiscal year 2018.
"The time it takes to remove a validated gang member can vary depending on whether the alien has started removal proceedings; whether the alien has a final order of removal; or whether the alien has pending criminal charges in a local jurisdiction," Bourke said.
It’s unlikely that all of the MS-13 gang members arrested in 2017 were already deported, because of the time required to remove someone after an arrest, said Jorja Leap, an anthropologist and adjunct professor at UCLA Luskin School of Public Affairs who researches gangs and criminal justice.
"Most members of MS-13 that I know that have been arrested are being held in court pending trial," Leap said. "The process is lengthy."
It’s difficult to determine how many MS-13 members have been deported under Trump’s administration, because immigration officials don’t break down deportation data by gang affiliation.
At least 1,200 MS-13 gang members were arrested from Oct. 1, 2016, through the end of Trump’s first calendar year. The time between an arrest and deportation varies per case, but an expert told us the process is lengthy.
Trump’s statement contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.
Let's continue with …
Attempt a peaceful solution with North Korea
Trump’s big North Korea deal is already turning out to be a sham
A North Korean missile production facility in the city of Hamhung is seen from a satellite image taken on June 29. (Planet Labs Inc./Reuters)
Do they give out Nobel Peace Prizes for praising and appeasing brutal dictators who threaten nuclear war — without getting anything in return?
President Trump claimed he would use his world-class dealmaking skills to convince North Korea’s dictator, Kim Jong Un, to surrender his nuclear weapons. Instead, Trump got played. Kim, who pledged in wishy-washy language to “denuclearize,” is now accelerating his nuclear program. The nuclear threat from North Korea — and the risk of a preemptive war launched by Trump — are both growing. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is heading to North Korea this week hoping to contain the fallout.
Twenty days ago, Trump shook hands with Kim in Singapore. At the summit, Trump played the role of apologist in chief for Kim’s human rights abuses while praising Kim as a “ very talented ” person because he can “run it tough.” In North Korea, “running it tough” means executing dissidents, torturing political prisoners in gulags and threatening to wipe a few U.S. cities off the map with a nuclear blast.
And …
Let’s take a look at the odd list of Trump accomplishments on ‘Fox and Friends,’ shall we?
Early Sunday morning, at a time when few people would be likely to tune in save, perhaps, for die-hard fans watching as they got ready for a day on the links, Fox News’s “Fox and Friends” presented its viewers with a six-point list of President Trump’s accomplishments.
They are:
We’ll note that this is not meant to be an exhaustive list; Fox presents it in the context of Trump’s growing list of accomplishments. These, one might then be forgiven for assuming, are simply the most recent additions to that list. It raises the question, though, of how big a window we’re looking at here. These are Trump’s top accomplishments in the past, what, week? Month? Year?
That’s secondary to the other question, of course, the one that likely struck you as you read that list: Do these all really count as accomplishments?
Let’s evaluate.
Moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem. As is so often the case, when evaluating political claims, we can quickly spiral into a college-sophomore debate over the meaning of words. (See: “What is a lie?”) Here the word at issue is “accomplished.”
Generally speaking, “accomplished” is the more mature older brother of “did.” An accomplishment is something you did, certainly, but the implication is that you did it despite something. It’s not an accomplishment when you tie your shoes every day, but it was an accomplishment when you did it the first time, having overcome your previous inability to tie your shoes.
That linguistic throat-clearing dispensed with, it’s certainly true that Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem, a transfer formalized Monday morning. He did that. American political accomplishments are often defined by having reached compromise agreeable to all parties. This wasn’t that; Trump acted unilaterally. What he accomplished was doing it despite the objections of many foreign policy experts who warned that such an action would increase tensions and jeopardize the United States’ role as an arbiter of peace between Israel and Palestinians. He overcame, if you will, the objections that past presidents had heeded.
Leaving the Iran deal. Everything above minus the intro about the meanings of words and swapping “leaving the Iran deal” for “moved the embassy to Jerusalem.”
That’s a little unfair, given that the objections to the Iran deal were more partisan than the objections to moving the embassy. At the time that it was agreed to by the administration of President Barack Obama, Republicans expressed dismay at the deal. Which unfortunately makes the accomplishment a bit more hollow: Doing a thing that you had the full authority to do and which had the blessing of many in your party is certainly something that was done ; whether it deserves to be described with the added weight of an accomplishment is another question.
To use a loaded analogy, it’s a bit like giving every kid who participates in a soccer tournament a trophy of accomplishment just for getting there. Some would argue that such recognition diminishes the accomplishments of others — or, in this case, other accomplishments.
Release of prisoners and summit with Kim Jong Un. A negotiated agreement with North Korea that involves an elimination of the threat posed by North Korea’s atomic weapons and which moves toward a normalization of relations between the two Koreas would be historic. It’s also an unalloyed good that three men being held prisoner by the North Korean government are now free.
Experts debate the extent to which Trump’s provocations toward North Korea led to the recent thaw between North Korea and the United States. Many — and many political observers — give him that credit . Trump will have his chance to eliminate any debate over his role during his meeting with Kim next month.
Rising approval ratings. Now we get into murkier territory. First of all, his approval ratings have improved, from a low in the mid-30s in December to the low 40s today. In FiveThirtyEight’s polling average , Trump’s as popular now as he was right before he fired former FBI director James B. Comey.
But now we get into the question about how big a window we’re looking at. Trump and his allies have been trumpeting his improved approval numbers in Rasmussen Reports’s polling since the beginning of April, regularly touting that he has crossed the 50-percent mark in that most friendly of polls.
The rise, per FiveThirtyEight, began in mid-December. Since mid-February, his approval ratings have been fairly static (though in the past 10 days he has been at about 42 percent). If the “rising ratings” began in December, that suggests a lot of other things that might meet the bar of “accomplishments” in the interim. His most significant legislative accomplishment happened after that! If the window opened in December, you would think that would make Fox’s list.
Two judges rebuke special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation . I wrote this article because there is no way in which this is an accomplishment of Trump’s.
These rebukes were not anything done by Trump. They were not anything that had anything to do with his administration. They were not cases that had anything to do with Trump directly, one involving questions during the trial against Paul Manafort for financial crimes and the other against the Russians indicted by Mueller. In the latter case, the term “rebuke” is a bit strong; the judge ruled against Mueller on a procedural question.
It’s this bullet point that snaps the entire thing into focus. In this framework, an accomplishment for Trump is simply a loss for Trump’s opponents. The Iran deal was a loss for Trump’s opponents. The embassy move? Same. Even the North Korea shift can be seen in that light: Trump has repeatedly disparaged those who warned that his aggressive language would lead to nuclear war as having misjudged him.
Mueller loses a hearing? Win for Trump simply because Mueller is an equivalent to “anti-Trump” in this calculus. “Anti-Trump loses” equals “Trump wins.”
Making the economy great again . One of Trump’s most remarkably successful rhetorical frames was to argue before the election that the economy was in shambles and that, after, it surged. In fact, the economy had been doing well consistently after the recession, and Trump inherited that trend.
Last week he bragged that the media would have disparaged him had he predicted during the campaign that the economy would have added 3.3 million jobs by now after the election. In fact, the jobs gains have been entirely in line with what projections would have suggested.
He brags about the stock market, which was on a tear since the recession ended. He brags about record-low unemployment for black and Hispanic Americans, which is a bit like the guy who crosses the finish line in a track relay taking credit for winning the whole race. From April 2011 to January 2017, the black unemployment rate fell from 16.5 percent to 7.8 percent. Since then, it has dropped further to 6.6 percent. Had Obama somehow won a third term in office, there’s no reason to think that the black unemployment rate would be much different than it is now.
But, then, that’s not what “Fox and Friends” claims. It claims, simply, that the economy has been made great again. In this case, the accomplishment was apparently overcoming the need for traditional measures and descriptors for economic progress.
Trump has been eager to present his administration as an unmitigated success because Trump is eager to present everything he does as an unmitigated success. “Fox and Friends” is eager to do so as well for less clear reasons, though they certainly involve the symbiosis the show enjoys with the president and his base.
Particularly for conservative Republicans, Trump has done a lot of things that he both promised to do and which his base will support. This overeager list from “Fox and Friends,” though, doesn’t really help make that case.
You forgot... "While shitting on our allies..."
My goodness!
The world continued to turn. Things happened.
Any connection to the President is... dubious at best.
Great post. A very well stated rebuttal to the angry original. You are 100% correct on every count.
Possibly you missed, or chose to ignore, my highly specific 100 rebuttals to 96's "rebuttal."
Check just below … at this link
6 A. Macarthur
AND I CHALLENGE YOU TO DO WITH MY 100 REBUTTALS, WHAT I DID with the particulars of 96's rebuttal … NAMELY, SPECIFICALLY REBUT MOST OF THEM, ONE-BY-ONE!
Surely, after I post 100 particulars, you might try to do more than a one-line cheerleader praise of 96's post … and a few cartoons.
No. I wrote what I wrote to him knowing full well what you wrote. I agree with his facts, not your opinion. Believe it or not, you can’t browbeat everyone here into agreeing with your personal opinion.
You're fucking with an expert on RELITY!
100 Ways, in 100 Days, that Trump Has Hurt Americans
Disregard the "1s" (Formatting issue) … THERE'S 100!
Economy
Environment and energy
Democracy and government reform
Immigration
Faith
Gun violence prevention
Health care
Higher education
K-12 education
Justice
Racial justice
LGBTQ
National security
This list is just a sample of the ways in which President Trump and his administration have already broken their promises to Americans and revealed their true priorities. As this list grows, real damage is being done to communities and working families across the nation. Trump should heed their calls to put the needs of ordinary Americans ahead of corporations and the wealthy.
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WHAT ELSE YA' GOT?
You. Rock.
In addition, I spent about an hour reading every one of those 100 points, and I discovered that there isn't one...NOT ONE... that did not benefit Trump, his family, and in many cases, even his friends, personally. Either his supporters can't see the obvious, or they see it and just don't care.
sorry, could not get passed the Ad Hominem, Empty-Rhetoric in your premise.
a pox on your hypocrisy
btw.... trying to denigrate those who disagree never garners support for your cause, only opposition.
however, if you were just trying to vent? well done. we understand your pain. we simply do not care about it.
cheers
btw.... trying to denigrate those who disagree never garners support for your cause, only opposition.
Which is exactly what your comment represents … no rebuttal-counter points … and … while you attempt to denigrate my "a pox, etc." comment, the weakness of such an attempt resides in your failure to even address the logic and specific explanations that logically brought me to that comment.
How Trumpian to attack the messenger without offering a single word of viable rebuttal!
As for my "premise," it's backed up with multiple paragraphs and specifics regarding various voter demographics … unlike your premise, which, is to try defend the indefensible Trump …
… without actually providing any defense.
all you did was attack everyone who did not vote for hillary or who voted for trump. and you call that proof? too funny.
at best that was a nice rant but still complete bs from the word go.
you do not deserve anymore rebuttal than that.
cheers
More ad hominem without specifically addressing even one criticism or description of the many demographics I went after.
Again, TRUMPIAN … calling something with which you don't agree, either "Fake News" or, in your case, "bs," is what one does when one has no viable argument but can't contain himself.
no one needs a viable argument against progressive bs.
but seriously. we actually hope progressives continue with those kinds of attacks on voters who disagree with progressives.
trump would not have been elected without it.
just keep saying to yourself... "we are winning"
cheers
no one needs a viable argument against progressive bs.
but seriously. we actually hope progressives continue with those kinds of attacks on voters who disagree with progressives.
A dismissive comment punctuated by "whistling past the graveyard!"
Can't deal with the challenge … so … more word salad.
Weak.
A regressive con using the internet, a progressive invention, to complain about progressives. Do you know what, "IRONY", is? I suppose hypocrisy is applicable as well. Maybe you should get off the internet and carve messages in stone tablets, to send messages, if you hate progressives so much.
LOL... I like that passage. I may use it myself sometime.
TDS lives strong in this one!
Thank god for buzz-words, eh?
Is that one straight from der leaders at fux "news", or infowars or did it just magically appear on twitter? Fux, I think, the GOP "good brains" flush all their efforts through fux.
When one "does not care," one does not go out of the way to care enough to claim that one "does not care."
In the meanwhile, I challenge you to pick any one of the "voter" examples I described and criticized, and make an actual argument as to why you think it's inaccurate. If you think it's "bs," surely you can express in an adult, intellectual manner, what makes it "bs."
Otherwise, you're just a Jess Willard "fake news" crier.
I just pointed out your hypocrisy...
no one caring about your problems was a bonus comment.
cheers
IOW, you can't handle the truth.
the truth is trump is president and I seem to be taking the end of the world very well... all things considered.
how are you doing with trumps presidency? good, I hope
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People blindly follow trump even to their detriment. I have to wonder about people that think America needs to be made great again when he and his administration is making the US isolationist and stripping away established norms.
People call themselves Christian yet cheer when trump denigrates people.
He is now attacking federal unions with EOs. Anything to weaken employee rights.
Any EO by Obama was called him trying to rule without congress (even though he had a congress hostile to him) and they are silent when trump issues any EO (he seems to have a receptive congress that will bow down to him).
I just call trump supporters hypocrites. If Obama had done even 1/10th of what trump has done they would have had a melt down. They follow him without question which is actually scary and defend his policy positions and decisions that any rational person could find flaw in.
when trump weaponizes the FBI and DOJ to spy on a democrat candidate? you let us know k?
until then? better put your seat belt on... this ride is just getting started
Even Gowdy said that did not happen and yet you still believe it just because trump told you to.
when did gowdy become the final word? LOL
obviously, other people do not agree with gowdy
so tell me what gowdy says after the investigations are over.
if I am still wrong after that? you can be the first to let me know.
cheers
Gowdy seemed to hold a lot of sway with you all after investigating Hillary for years. Now that he says something against your narrative, he is not the final word.
The only one pushing this crap is Nunes, the new conservative hero, who seems only to be in office to run to the Whitehouse and tell trump what is going on. He is nothing more than trumps errand boy trying to find any angle to discredit the investigation against him.
Sickening really. He needs to be voted out.
he never was the final word.
he was just another word in a long line of words.
I have no "heroes in politics"
now? here are some new words.
That the Whitehouse knew about the investigation is not a big shock.
Obama intentionally did not let the public know about the investigation as not to sway an election.
If he had you would be complaining even more.
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I know, and it ends with trump being thrown out of office in disgrace.
not a chance, but you have fun with that
People blindly follow [insert Presidents name] even to their detriment. I have to wonder about people that think America needs to be made great again [fundamentally changed?] when he and his administration is making the US [insert complaint]
Have no interest in arguing at all Ender, but at the age of 52 - I have now heard this message since Jimmy Carter [was not overly politically aware in grade school] -
President Obama was the first time I remember seeing such anger from "We the People" and now the Trump presidency is taking that anger to a whole new level … only to most likely become worse... President Obama skirting the Constitution was a battle cry for 8 years - now Trump is destroying the Constitution by nominating originalist justices …. no matter what one side or the other is not going to be happy .. my word, Trump has like a 41% approval rating, but is master of the Universe?
I had my [almost 18 year old] son read this seed (not comments) - his only responses were "holier than thou much" and that "we probably would be reading similar crap about Hillary had she been elected" ………………… He will be voting in November, which is huge, but with the way people are behaving - it may not be quite the thrill that is should be when casting ones first ballet .. ………….
Think "We the People" need to get 'our' shit together .. it is the only way to find common ground and reach compromises for the future of 'our' nation -- or the next President could be far worse!!! The extreme sides of (D) and (R) are taking over the parties .. scary times, blame has taken over what was once reasonable thought...
Peace Ender...
Did some people have devotion to Obama? Sure. I didn't. I did not like a lot of his decisions.
Obama could have a little snark in his speech, he could have a little humor. He still didn't run around acting like a mad man. I could criticize Obama when needed yet now we have people that even applaud trumps obvious bad choices.
The difference between the two is clear to me. Obama ran on unity and taking America in a new direction that benefited us all. People gathered at the beginning of Obama's first term determined to make him fail. They out right started campaigns against him to diminish anything he said or did. They wanted people to hate him and spread lies and mistruths just to stoke hatred and fear.
Trump just started off calling people names and belittling others. He has a bombastic attitude that says basically my way or the highway. He purposefully stokes division. He tells his followers it is an us against them fight. He has earned the ire against him as he has been this way his whole public life.
In my opinion, the two do not even compare.
As far as what I remember politically, I don't remember any president that has acted as vulgar as trump does. I don't remember any president that constantly put other people down. I don't remember any president that has constantly told as many lies, then ignore or brush people off when those lies are shown for what they are.
We can blame the extremes in both parties all day long. I will agree with you. But what has that actually accomplished? Why do both seem to get even more extreme? There are more independents than people in either party and when people do start to speak out it gets shut down as partisanship. I have even seen some conservative people that have said something against trump and people jump down their throat and call them liberal. The parties fight tooth and nail to be the only choices and (unfortunately) for now they are.
Speaking of early memories, one of my first memories of politicians was Ford falling out of a plane.
Okay Ender .. I cannot argue the point you are making in your response … except to say but but but but… read what you wrote, and tell me with a straight face, or whatever face you want to make that Trump did not face similar when coming into office...….. Women's March ring a bell : ) may not have spread lies technically .. yet hate, fear ………… anger …… off the charts...
Justify it any way there is to do so … but...…………..
I sincerely get who Trump is .. I understand the outrage .. yet this line of argument does not pass muster .. Obama was singled out, just as Trump has been singled out - certainly for different reasons - yet the end result is relatively close to the same...
When everyone else went to bed, I stayed up and watched the end results of an election I still shake my head over .. I am thankful H. is not president, but I sincerely wish that neither H. or Trump were the choices .. what the Fuck was up with that anyways?
I was so wanting Biden to run .. this mess would be none existent. Yet he could not be mentally in it .. and he knew it!
Nice .. I was going to start with Ford, but those memories I have of Gerald Ford are not political in nature .. more like humorous .. like hitting a dude with a golf ball : )
Me too. And yes he would have had the same ire against him. We have become very polarized.
Hahaa. Poor ford. Was not the most graceful person around.
When I was in elementary school we had a mock election. I was on the side of Ford. We made posters and campaigned around the classes. He won our mock election but lost the real one.
have to remember , Ford was the only person to ever have served as VP and president and not to have been elected to either office. I think that went against him in 76.
Pardoning Nixon couldn't have helped, either
If Nixon had died in a federal pen, we wouldn't be seeing most of this rwnj BS now.
I think you're right
That was a forehead slapper. If the situation was reversed, I really really doubt that the conservatives would be as lenient. Besides, they seem to like the word "jail", a nice small 4-letter word they can spell (amazingly enough) so it jail her, jail him, jail them, jail that, those and them.
Actually, if you use it instead of the most famous 4-letter word, it's kinda fun.
JAIL trump, sideways, with a push broom!!! (just be careful, Putin is the jealous type and so is lil' Un.)
JAIL McConnell! Cuff him and bag him so you don't see his FACE, he really is the turtle man.
Jail Palin! Those of you who could stand to, and some of you could if you pretend she was a snake and someone was holding her head down.
Jail Sessions! Because no one in reality has ever jailed a evil elf except in cos-play.
(Sorry. it all just jumped into my head all of a sudden and demanded to be typed.) (And then forced to send. I am possessed, but it's only temporary.)
Tsk. No smiley with a shameful grin and a shrug.
Commenting on the Hillary Clinton never ending saga of her qualifications centering on the lack of them.
Don't buy any of that. Thirty years of right wing smear, accusation and outright lies take their toll on integrity and ability. And more recently, the full weight of Russian Intel throwing bricks at Clinton and throwing cash at Trump.
Besides, Hillary testified under oath in front of congress for hours upon hours.
And Trump will speak to nobody that isn't from FOX , aka Trump TV. What is Trump afraid of?
Big bux alimony payments when Melania finally kicks him to the curb and takes Barron with her.
I am waiting for Melania to stand up for herself, her new adopted country and the integrity she portends to have.
I suspect she will not. Either a 'gold digger' plain and simple, or totally gutless, or maybe even--exactly just like 'him.' ( Wasn't Melania a Birther too? )
Knowing donald, there is probably a contract somewhere that says if she leaves him, she gets noting.
Doesn't matter. Coming 'clean' on Trump/World would have lasting benefit for her. And America.
As far as the money, she'd be fine. Books, movies and all the rest.
True. I will say though, the woman never looks happy. The only time I remember seeing her smile was seated next to Obama.
But she stays. And recently it appears she holds his hand as they walk.
Her net worth is currently 50 million. Money is not a problem for her at this time.
The last gasps of the men who gridlocked power into a dangerous game that has gone completely amok.
Greed and power corrupt absolutely.
Democrats don't have that level of power, so the bashing coming from the right when they hold all the cards is totally insane.
America NEEDS to balance, we should allow more than one point of view, not just a Republican point of view, not just a right wing ideology, but multiple points of view.
Unless we vote in astronomical numbers to prove that America is not a 1 party country and a dictatorship then people have to come to their senses and make a serious pragmatic choice. Country over party. End of.
Republicans will do nothing for the American people, we see every single solitary day how they chip away at democracy enacting their own power mad zealotry in every policy and act they commit to benefit themselves, their own families, or their cronies in the lobbyist swamp that still pervades Washington like a moldy pond.
The majority of America still did not vote for Trump, by 3 million, we need to get back those 3 million voters, add millions more and get everyone on board because the alternative is to learn one of the most difficult languages in the world and that is Russian.
And yet, did you feel this wat when Democrats held the house, senate and presidency? I agree we need a 2 party (or more as the 2 parties seem to have run to the extremes) governmet for some realistic checks and balances, but when you have the leaders of a party that declare they will fight the nomination of) _______________ to the death, without a nominee being named,a re a huge part of the problem in government right now.