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It’s Time To Stop Allowing Liberals To Determine The Conversation

  

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Via:  heartland-american  •  6 years ago  •  98 comments

It’s Time To Stop Allowing Liberals To Determine The Conversation

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If it’s acceptable for liberals to vote for a Supreme Court justice who is pro-abortion, why isn’t it acceptable for conservatives to want a justice who is pro-life?

Why is it that only liberals’ ideas and policy positions are acceptable? Why is it that an accomplished, Catholic, female, law professor from Norte Dame has to take insulting and nasty comments about Catholic dogma from a Jewish Senator, due only to the professor being pro-life? And considering that the anti-abortion/pro-life position has long been the tradition of our entire society, why should conservatives accept the deviant position of abortion, any time, anywhere, funded by taxpayers, as a standard?

Now that we have Donald Trump in the White House, and now that we see him every day poking liberal dogma in the eye and getting away with it, it’s about time that Republicans grew some backbone and began fighting back at prejudiced, liberal/socialist ideas.

President Trump’s appointees for the vacant justice seat on the Supreme Court need not apologize for being pro-life or capitalists or patriotic Americans. With all of the news about Planned Parenthood selling the body parts of babies they have aborted, and treating the sale of the body parts as a legitimate business, it’s time that conservatives threw these things back at anti-American, leftist, Senators during the times when official interviews and hearings are held. I’d be willing to bet that there are many Democrats who have never heard that Planned Parenthood is doing such horrendous things, and the hearings of Supreme Court appointees would be a good time to make these things public knowledge.

And take any liberal position, for example the legalization of marijuana: Why in the world do we need another, new and additional legal intoxicant with which to trap our young people into a lifetime of dependence? It might be worthwhile to confront the idiocy of legalizing another drug with which to escape the daily hum-drum responsibilities of life and tell liberals to man-up, face reality and do what must be done to support themselves and their families, and stop trying to find a new escape from the realities of life.

I get sick of watching conservatives take the defensive position on any and all issues and attempt to defend themselves for being good, patriotic people, and all because the leftist press will rip conservatives to shreds unless they buckle under and at least give lip service to liberal positions. We have nothing to apologize for, as Trump’s successful policies have shown, as he moves forward and reverses all of Obama’s unconstitutional rules and regulations. We need to follow the leadership of our president and take the initiative for a change. I believe the mass of Americans are ready to follow if they understand the seriousness of the issues and hear the true difference between right and wrong policies.


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

“Why is it that only liberals’ ideas and policy positions are acceptable? Why is it that an accomplished, Catholic, female, law professor from Norte Dame has to take insulting and nasty comments about Catholic dogma from a Jewish Senator, due only to the professor being pro-life? And considering that the anti-abortion/pro-life position has long been the tradition of our entire society, why should conservatives accept the deviant position of abortion, any time, anywhere, funded by taxpayers, as a standard?

Now that we have Donald Trump in the White House, and now that we see him every day poking liberal dogma in the eye and getting away with it, it’s about time that Republicans grew some backbone and began fighting back at prejudiced, liberal/socialist ideas.”

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2  Snuffy    6 years ago

I'm not a fan of abortion so I will never have one.  Of course the fact that I'm a 60 year old man probably helps....  And for the record,  yes I voted for Trump.

But I remember what it was like prior to '73 where abortion laws were a hodgepodge of state laws, back-alley abortion clinics, all the problems of the time. I also believe that some of the problems we have today are due to the global population being over 7.6 billion. Not every woman and family is positioned and able to raise a child.  Not every fetus is free from serious defects that will greatly impact it's life and ability to thrive.

I believe that the vast majority of abortions occur in the first trimester which is before the fetus can survive outside the womb. So I guess to consider this murder you would need to believe that the soul is in the body at the moment of gestation. That is a religious question that I am not qualified to answer.

I also strongly believe in individual rights and would rather that government oversight and interference be as small as possible. Therefor I believe that a woman's health care should be between her and her doctor.

So I guess I would rather keep Roe v Wade intact and not turn it back to the states. If it truly is murder than I will answer to it when I die and am placed in front of my Lord to explain my life.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Snuffy @2    6 years ago

The problem is anymore that in order to get a pro abortion judge or senator or congress person you are likely to get a person who is liberal across the board on all the other issues too.  

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    6 years ago

Only too true...

If I could dream I would dream of a judicial system that remained outside of politics and ruled only on the law and the constitutionality of it,  and elected officials that worked for all the people.  Unfortunately we have a ruling class (both elected and judicial) that follow more party politics and money more than honor.

 
 
 
1ofmany
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2.1.2  1ofmany  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    6 years ago
The problem is anymore that in order to get a pro abortion judge or senator or congress person you are likely to get a person who is liberal across the board on all the other issues too.  

The real problem is finding a liberal judge who will say that he can put his personal views aside and interpret the constitution and the law based on the intent of those who enacted them, even if it means doing something that would otherwise be unacceptable to him personally. When liberals reach that level of maturity (instead of acting like brats), maybe I can give them another look. Until that time, I want Trump to put as many originalists on the court as he can and try to restore the constitutional balance of powers (where judges don’t act like a super legislature).

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.3  Dulay  replied to  1ofmany @2.1.2    6 years ago
The real problem is finding a liberal judge who will say that he can put his personal views aside and interpret the constitution and the law based on the intent of those who enacted them, even if it means doing something that would otherwise be unacceptable to him personally.

Would that liberal judge be believed? I doubt it. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.4  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @2.1.3    6 years ago
Would that liberal judge be believed? I doubt it.

So do I...because for decades liberals have attempted to legislate from the bench, and have been successful far too many times. It would probably be just as long for one of them to be believed again.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @2.1.3    6 years ago

Why would you have asked me if I seeded this article in the metafied Discussion  when you’d responded to it here?    The headline here is the perfect answer to your seed that was moved there.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.6  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.5    6 years ago
Why would you have asked me if I seeded this article in the metafied Discussion

Check the time stamps HA.

Oh and since you bring it up, I asked you to:

 post link of an example of what you consider a 'positive pro conservative policy issues seed' that ISN'T a hit piece.

This is what you came up with. Hilarious...

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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2.1.7  Raven Wing  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.1    6 years ago
If I could dream I would dream of a judicial system that remained outside of politics and ruled only on the law and the constitutionality of it,  and elected officials that worked for all the people.  Unfortunately we have a ruling class (both elected and judicial) that follow more party politics and money more than honor.

Your dream is a visual of my prayers. Clapping  Thumbs Up 2

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.8  CB  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.1    6 years ago

It all goes to pot when senators listen to their bias constituents (namely talk radio 24/7 anchors) who tell sitting senators to short-change fairness and justice by subjecting the courts to corrupting influences during the 'insertion' phase of judge selections. Often, we get too 'smart' for our own good!

 
 
 
1ofmany
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3  1ofmany    6 years ago

Trump is a buffoon. However, because most Republican politicians are spineless weasels on social issues, Trump walks among them like a colossus. He casts aside political correctness like a flea ridden garment and says plainly what others think but fear to say. He stands his ground like a man, a rare trait in a time when so many people seem confused even about something as simple as their own gender. Although he has an enormous downside, he has a huge plus in his relentless desire to appoint conservative judges and enforce immigration law. So given the fact that Democrats have descinded into complete lunacy, I guess I can live with a buffoon if I can get something good out of him. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  1ofmany @3    6 years ago

I too am a reluctant supporter of him.  What he’s done on regulations, taxes, defense spending, and the courts has won me over along with the sheer vitriol on the other side of those who oppose him.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.3  JohnRussell  replied to  1ofmany @3    6 years ago

1 of Many , Trump is not a simple buffoon, although he certainly is a buffoon. He is also a habitual liar, constant bully, factual ignoramus,  and a sponge for extremist and conspiracy viewpoints. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.3.1  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3    6 years ago

Your opinion...and a wrong one...the good thing is he has been great for the success of the country...and you hate him for that.

Oh, yea...and you hate him because his name is not Hillary.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.3.2  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @3.3.1    6 years ago

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I barely ever mention Hillary Clinton. She lost the election and will never be a candidate again. Why would I care about her anymore? I am about the present and the future. You and your friends are about the past, because you see what a horror show the present is under your man trump. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.3.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.2    6 years ago

And for the foreseeable future 2+ to 6+ Years from now, Trump will be our President.  Partyla de daClappingthumbs up  Let’s celebrate 🎉  🎊 !

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.3.4  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.2    6 years ago

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XXJefferson51
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3.3.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  bugsy @3.3.4    6 years ago

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1ofmany
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3.3.6  1ofmany  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3    6 years ago
1 of Many , Trump is not a simple buffoon, although he certainly is a buffoon. He is also a habitual liar, constant bully, factual ignoramus,  and a sponge for extremist and conspiracy viewpoints. 

I can get two things from Trump but all I get from Democrats is insanity. 

 
 
 
CB
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3.4  CB  replied to  1ofmany @3    6 years ago
Although he has an enormous downside, he has a huge plus in his relentless desire to appoint conservative judges and enforce immigration law.

So, in that case, liberals will have to win through other means like people's hearts. This will be done by pointing to defects in every conservative action. Since conservatives want to be the "big dog barking" then surely you can (and will) take the light shining and the heat radiating on your heads! A little bit of poetry included free.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.4.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.4    6 years ago

Trump already won the hearts and minds of flyover heartland America.  He won’t demand our crumbs back or mock our 2A Rights or call us intolerables and deplorables.  He won’t accuse us of bitterly clinging to God.   

 
 
 
1ofmany
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3.4.2  1ofmany  replied to  CB @3.4    6 years ago

So, in that case, liberals will have to win through other means like people's hearts. This will be done by pointing to defects in every conservative action.

I don’t think democrats will impress anybody but themselves by pointing out the defects in others while ignoring their own. Seriously, to me, Democrats are batshit crazy and I’d be more likely to vote to put them in a rubber room than political office. 

 
 
 
CB
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3.4.3  CB  replied to  1ofmany @3.4.2    6 years ago

Well, . . . so far thinking is utterly free and nobody can place a charge on it. Now, what is 'flyover' heartland America ("PATRIOTS") going to do about all these Russians taking liberties to invade our proprietary data systems? National cybersecurity is under attack! C'mon red states demand President Trump tell President Putin to 'step-off!' Do something besides hide!

 
 
 
1ofmany
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3.4.4  1ofmany  replied to  CB @3.4.3    6 years ago

Now, what is 'flyover' heartland America ("PATRIOTS") going to do about all these Russians taking liberties to invade our proprietary data systems? National cybersecurity is under attack! C'mon red states demand President Trump tell President Putin to 'step-off!' Do somethingbesides hide!

Lest we forget, the Russian hackers exposed the fact that Hillary tried to rig the Democratic primary and operated a secret server so she could evade the Freesom of Information Act and congressional inquiries. So rather than chastise Hillary for being a cheat, Democrats focused on the Russian interference and made the ridiculous claim that the Russians stole the election from Hillary. Ok, whatever. 

But Democrats are openly undermining federal immigration law not only with sanctuary cities but also with a call to abolish ICE. When will blues states put Americans first instead of illegal aliens? C’mon dems, stop acting like agents of Mexico!

 
 
 
CB
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3.4.5  CB  replied to  1ofmany @3.4.4    6 years ago

That's the republican plan?! Attempts to hurl "conspiracy theories" at Russian aggression and to stand posing ogling your navels? ???!

Hot Dang! 'RED ALERT!'  'SHIELDS UP!' 

ARE YOU KIDDING ME, 1OFMANY? Do you detest your fellow citizens that much??

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.4.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.4.5    6 years ago

It’s the democrat party that hates us so much.  They openly put the needs of illegal aliens and MS-13 above the interests of American citizens.  

 
 
 
1ofmany
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3.4.7  1ofmany  replied to  CB @3.4.5    6 years ago

. . . ARE YOU KIDDING ME, 1OFMANY? Do you detest your fellow citizens that much??

I wish I knew what you’re talking about but I don’t. 

 
 
 
CB
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3.4.8  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.6    6 years ago

Hi Heartland America! What is 'flyover' heartland America ("PATRIOTS") going to do about all these Russians taking liberties to invade our proprietary data systems? National cybersecurity is under attack! C'mon red states demand President Trump tell President Putin to 'step-off!' What are conservatives going to do now that Putin is attacking our systems right now??!

 
 
 
lib50
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3.4.9  lib50  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.6    6 years ago
It’s the democrat party that hates us so much.

That is just pure bullshit and projection.  It is the right, and plenty of them right here who take the greatest pleasure in pissing off the left.  If it hurts the US in the process, that seems to be icing on the cake these days!   Just look at your man Trump, the biggest liar and most prolific at bullying and hating publicly.  And republicans specifically praise that about him!  You call it 'speaking his mind' or 'telling it like it is'.   GOP spent 8 years obstructing, hating and LYING about Obama,  so quitcherbitchin about what your side does.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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3.4.10  Dean Moriarty  replied to  CB @3.4.8    6 years ago

I suspect Putin will agree to that right after the USA gets rid of the NSA and CIA and stops hacking into their computers. 

 
 
 
CB
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3.4.11  CB  replied to  1ofmany @3.4.7    6 years ago

You readily reach for a large handful of 'piss and vomit' talking points from 2016, and shovel out a pan of whataboutism from shifts in our national political arguments. All the while, today Russian President Vladimir Putin, a hostile outside state actor and noted offender around the world, is preparing to set down in a privately held two-man meeting with President Donald Trump and his array of conspiracy theories. President Putin deals with hard facts, numbers, and objectives he sternly demands from his government agencies and intelligence services. President Trump has described his entry into the meeting as bringing his brain, a snarl, and "boo boo kitty."

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.4.12  Dulay  replied to  1ofmany @3.4.4    6 years ago
Lest we forget, the Russian hackers exposed the fact that Hillary tried to rig the Democratic primary and operated a secret server so she could evade the Freesom of Information Act and congressional inquiries.

The investigation into the Clinton emails began in 2014, the Russian hack happened in 2016. Your statement is FALSE. 

So rather than chastise Hillary for being a cheat, Democrats focused on the Russian interference and made the ridiculous claim that the Russians stole the election from Hillary.

Well gee, it sure as hell looks like the GOP concentrated on 'Hillary being a cheat' among a whole host of other BS allegations. They spent 10s of millions of dollars in taxpayer funds over Benghazi alone. Only to find NO illegality over and over and over again. 

Ok, whatever.

Ditto. 

 
 
 
CB
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3.4.13  CB  replied to  lib50 @3.4.9    6 years ago

HA, could be part of a big whoppin' deflection wheel which spins out articles on news discussion boards. I can not prove it, but I can imagine a scenario where a version of "Heartland America" —The Series, is playing on every comment board in the United States and good heavens, beyond!

I tend to wonder if Heartland America is a business model with paid shifts, holidays, and vacation periods spanning the year. This 'arm' seems responsible for keeping liberals "engaged" and spilling out facts, figures, and occasional strategy points to be bundled in briefs headed to the republican 'War-room' and its sister, The Ministry of Propaganda.

Liberals are surely wise to reading and hearing "playback" of their own words and ideas from the Big Red Machine©


NOTE: This is pure speculation and may have no true bearing in the real world. Curious.

 
 
 
CB
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3.4.14  CB  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3.4.10    6 years ago

We're talking about our president "smooching" and getting 'under the covers' with a Russian President who is prowling under our skirt, Dean. Stop with the attempts to make a crisis about normal push and pull  between adversarial nation states. Our DOJ is not charging these 12 Russians (military intelligence agents) simply as nuisances, they are being charged with serious hacking of our political processes. It is a grave matter, internationally. The consequences being we can not trust our own election results, thus destabilizing our government. Intolerable!

This is no laughing, frivolous, matter. It is a problem that left to fester could reach out and touch individual citizens in their communities, in their homes, with violence on their streets! CAUTION!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.4.15  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.4.14    6 years ago

I have no doubt that Trump will deal with the Russian meddling during the summit.  

 
 
 
pat wilson
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3.4.16  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.15    6 years ago

He hasn't done a damn thing in a year and a half. What makes you think he'll start now ? What a joke !

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.4.17  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.15    6 years ago

Well that makes one of you. 

 
 
 
1ofmany
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3.4.18  1ofmany  replied to  Dulay @3.4.12    6 years ago
“Lest we forget, the Russian hackers exposed the fact that Hillary tried to rig the Democratic primary and operated a secret server so she could evade the Freesom of Information Act and congressional inquiries.”

The investigation into the Clinton emails began in 2014, the Russian hack happened in 2016. Your statement is FALSE. 

The investigation into Hillary’s emails began before the hack but the hack told us what was in those emails. 

“So rather than chastise Hillary for being a cheat, Democrats focused on the Russian interference and made the ridiculous claim that the Russians stole the election from Hillary.”

Well gee, it sure as hell looks like the GOP concentrated on 'Hillary being a cheat' among a whole host of other BS allegations. They spent 10s of millions of dollars in taxpayer funds over Benghazi alone. Only to find NO illegality over and over and over again. 

Lying isn’t a crime, unless it’s under oath, so she was free to lie her ass off and she did. 

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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3.4.19  Dean Moriarty  replied to  pat wilson @3.4.16    6 years ago

Not true. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.4.20  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  pat wilson @3.4.16    6 years ago

Actually he has.  Hes had intelligence and internet security strengthened across the board to protect against hacking, to protect our intellectual property, to protect infrastructure, and to defend against malware denial of service attacks.  Russia and China are threats to different aspects of our security.  

 
 
 
CB
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3.4.21  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.15    6 years ago

Clarification needed: Is Russia "meddling" our data systems or "hacking" our data systems? Degrees matter.

 
 
 
1ofmany
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3.4.22  1ofmany  replied to  CB @3.4.11    6 years ago

You readily reach for a large handful of 'piss and vomit' talking points from 2016, and shovel out a pan of whataboutism from shifts in our national political arguments.

The left spews “piss and vomit” points like Vesuvius so if you want to clean up a cesspool, then start over there. 

All the while, today Russian President Vladimir Putin, a hostile outside state actor and noted offender around the world, is preparing to set down in a privately held two-man meeting with President Donald Trump and his array of conspiracy theories. President Putin deals with hard facts, numbers, and objectives he sternly demands from his government agencies and intelligence services. President Trump has described his entry into the meeting as bringing his brain, a snarl, and "boo boo kitty."

I think Trump is a foreign policy ignoramus (but Obama and Hillary, who know much more, didn’t do any better). Trump is playing a high stakes game by starting a trade war with China and alienating Russia on a number of fronts. That would tend to push those two countries together to our disadvantage. Although I have no idea what Trump expects to accomplish in a meeting (or whether he expects to accomplish anything at all), it’s probably a good idea to keep the dialogue open. This is not a social media situation where we can simply unfriend Russia on Facebook and act like that’s the end of it. 

 
 
 
1ofmany
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3.4.23  1ofmany  replied to  CB @3.4.14    6 years ago
We're talking about our president "smooching" and getting 'under the covers' with a Russian President who is prowling under our skirt, Dean.

They shouldn’t have don’t it but the only harm was exposing Hillary’s shenanigans. It’s like a burglar breaking into a murderer’s house and finding the murder weapon while he was in there. Yeah burglary is bad but I’m not going to feel a lot of sympathy for the murderer just because somebody broke the law to catch her.

Stop with the attempts to make a crisis about normal push and pull  between adversarial nation states. Our DOJ is not charging these 12 Russians (military intelligence agents) simply as nuisances, they are being charged with serious hacking of our political processes. It is a grave matter, internationally. The consequences being we can not trust our own election results, thus destabilizing our government. Intolerable!

We meddle in other countries’ elections and even topple the government when we feel like it. In fact, this whole idea of exposing Hillary for trying to rig the primary could be payback for Hillary saying that Putin rigged his election, a statement that led to civil unrest in Russia. Do you seriously think Putin won’t throw everything back in our faces and laugh?

This is no laughing, frivolous, matter. It is a problem that left to fester could reach out and touch individual citizens in their communities, in their homes, with violence on their streets! CAUTION!

Yawn . . . another stupid pussy hat parade. 

 
 
 
CB
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3.4.24  CB  replied to  1ofmany @3.4.22    6 years ago

That's my overall point. Emphatically. Come away from the recent past you so unsparingly detested. Discuss the pressures surrounding us today which are aptly landing squarely on all our shoulders to burden.

Our nation's data systems are being HACK-ATTACKED BY RUSSIA ONGOING. No shade of lipstick will suitably dress up the pig that is Russia and Putin for the smack on the lips our President intends to place. Better off, slap that pig stupefied and dizzy with even higher sanctions than those Trump promises a lesser aggressor: Iran.

 
 
 
PJ
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3.4.25  PJ  replied to  CB @3.4.14    6 years ago

You're wasting your time to to insert reason and patriotism into the conversation.  Patriotism is no longer considered important for some.  I share in your frustration and can only shake my head in disbelief when I hear the excuses that some are offering.  I'm not sure how anyone can call themselves an American while applauding or making excuses for the Russians.

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.4.26  Dulay  replied to  1ofmany @3.4.18    6 years ago
The investigation into Hillary’s emails began before the hack but the hack told us what was in those emails.

Nope. You are uninformed, you are conflating two different sets of emails. 

Lying isn’t a crime, unless it’s under oath, so she was free to lie her ass off and she did.

Again, you are uninformed. Hillary Clinton testified for 11 hours UNDER OATH to the House Benghazi Committee AND it is a Federal crime to lie to the FBI, NO oath need be given. Ask Flynn and Gates and Papadopoulos and Petraeus and Martha Stewart. 

 
 
 
CB
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3.4.27  CB  replied to  1ofmany @3.4.23    6 years ago

You are waving your light saber wildly again! One thing I truly detest is this cheek-splitting routine of whataboutism conservatives attempt to play. It is a gross waste of time and effort. Okay, let's do this:

They shouldn’t have don’t it but. . . .

Hold it right there. No, buts. The 'buts' don't matter. Had Trump not been elected by deceptive and questionable practices, that hunk of human distortion would be shouting, 'Russian rigged election' for the duration of a Hillary Clinton presidency. Similar to the plague he was on the Obama presidency for eight 'warped' years!  So you can cut off the equivocation. Nobody should buy any of that!

Russia should never interfere with our elections, if only because they will know to expect to feel the wrath of U.S. sanctions crawling around in their underwears!     FULL STOP.

 
 
 
1ofmany
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3.4.28  1ofmany  replied to  CB @3.4.24    6 years ago

Lying Hillary got caught. Too bad. I gave my current political assessment but it apparently went in one ear and out the other. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.4.29  Dulay  replied to  1ofmany @3.4.28    6 years ago
Lying Hillary got caught.

Nope, that is a false allegation. 

 
 
 
1ofmany
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3.4.30  1ofmany  replied to  Dulay @3.4.26    6 years ago
The investigation into Hillary’s emails began before the hack but the hack told us what was in those emails.

Nope. You are uninformed, you are conflating two different sets of emails. 

No, I separated them.

Lying isn’t a crime, unless it’s under oath, so she was free to lie her ass off and she did.

Again, you are uninformed. Hillary Clinton testified for 11 hours UNDER OATH to the House Benghazi Committee AND it is a Federal crime to lie to the FBI, NO oath need be given. Ask Flynn and Gates and Papadopoulos and Petraeus and Martha Stewart. 

When’s the last time you saw somebody prosecuted for lying to Congress? She lied and got away with it. This thread is not about Hillary’s lying but I can go through exactly why I think she lied her ass off. But we would still disagree. 

 
 
 
CB
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3.4.31  CB  replied to  PJ @3.4.25    6 years ago

Hi PJ! Conservatives have consciences too. Albeit, one has to punch through the reinforced 'shell' to get them to reckon with their own humanity. When you least expect it: Out "pops" a refreshing and interesting person! (Smile.) There were millions of republicans who did not walk with Donald Trump in 2016, and now there are more republicans scattered about gasping from this poisonous spirit and activities! Do not give up!

It's simple! Show red-state Republicans—TRUMP as he exist. Heavens - show liberals too - show everybody - their political and social 'defects,' errors in judgments, and "stinkin thinkin," and let, . . .nature and time do its just work on individual hearts and minds!

 
 
 
1ofmany
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3.4.32  1ofmany  replied to  PJ @3.4.25    6 years ago

I’ll take the truth from any source I can find it. If people don’t want lies discovered, the STOP LYING! 

 
 
 
1ofmany
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3.4.33  1ofmany  replied to  Dulay @3.4.29    6 years ago

Yep, she got caught red handed trying to rig the primary. 

 
 
 
CB
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3.4.34  CB  replied to  1ofmany @3.4.28    6 years ago

Hillary Clinton is out of politics for now. So I am going to have to classify that discussion as your insistence on dabbling in fake news. Hey! Did you hear that on Friday, Deputy AG Rosenstein indicted 12 Russian Military Intelligence officials under orders from President Vladimir Putin to 'attack and hold' data files on U.S. citizens. What do you think President Donald Trump should do to President Putin in Monday's meeting? Hey, you're a patriot (defender) of the United States, yes?

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
3.4.35  Dulay  replied to  1ofmany @3.4.30    6 years ago
No, I separated them.

Clinton's emails while she was SoS were NEVER hacked. 

When’s the last time you saw somebody prosecuted for lying to Congress?

Which begs the question: Why beat a dead horse? 

She lied and got away with it.

There is NO evidence of that. Hell Gowdy spent millions and wrote a whole report about it and STILL found NO illegality. 

This thread is not about Hillary’s lying but I can go through exactly why I think she lied her ass off. But we would still disagree.

See there is where you and I differ. You think that your OPINION should be enough, I prefer facts. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.4.36  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.1    6 years ago

Do not ever test any of that by getting out of lock-step with Trump's agenda! BTW, who is leading who in this agreement? Do Trump and conservatives switch, or do conservatives simply get in the car and shut up while Trump drives?

 
 
 
1ofmany
Sophomore Silent
3.4.37  1ofmany  replied to  Dulay @3.4.29    6 years ago

. . . and if you’re referring to Benghazi, of course she didn’t get “caught.” She ran all her emails through a secret server, deleted 30,000 of them when questions were asked, destroyed her government cell phones so nothing could be recovered there, and then “accidentally” washed the servers in bleach bit (acid). Nobody’s going to crack her in a hearing. She’s a smart lawyer and she knows you can’t get her without evidence. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.4.38  CB  replied to  1ofmany @3.4.30    6 years ago
She lied and got away with it.

That's a lie. The operative words are: UNDER OATH. Before you get to that level of consideration, you can be charged for lying to congress period. FULL STOP.

Mr. Trey Gowdy, Esquire, U.S. Representative for South Carolina, would have relished the moment, his career, and possibly his life would have been complete had he been able to catch Hillary Clinton in a single lie in the House interrogations, er hearings. Drop your tired old 'saw' 1ofmany!

Get with the facts and shame the Devil!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.4.39  CB  replied to  1ofmany @3.4.37    6 years ago

No 1ofmany, I am not laughing at that, I am not! /s.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
3.4.40  Greg Jones  replied to  CB @3.4.34    6 years ago

Horrible Hillary may be out of politics for now, but she is never far from being in the news. Trump is withholding criticism of Putin until he talks to the guy and figures if he can deal with him. If Vladimir stays true to form, Trump will soon be saying he can't trust or reason with the guy...and will start talking tough. That will cause the left to call Trump a warmonger.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
3.4.41  Greg Jones  replied to  CB @3.4.14    6 years ago

Oh, quit pretending to be a drama queen!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
3.4.42  Greg Jones  replied to  CB @3.4.38    6 years ago
able to catch Hillary Clinton in a single lie

She evaded the questions,  never gave a straight answer, and had memory issues. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.4.43  CB  replied to  Greg Jones @3.4.41    6 years ago

YAY! Gregg, it going to feel mighty real in, three, two, one. . . .

If the United States loses confidence in its capacity from top to bottom to hold fair elections, if we lose respect for the men and women as a whole elected to govern us, then whether it be a steady decline or precipitous drop each citizen in this country will nudges one step closer to becoming a group, a cadre, of people in ungovernable, power-struggling settings.

Good heavens, political groups are bearing holding civil communication channels open between themselves now! Sad, I agree. But, Oh so true. Destabilization: Putin's game.

Now then Gregg, the question for you is this: Are you prepared to test this theory that our markets will continue to rise, our nuclear weapons will be safe and sound, our cities with their skyscrapers will go unscathed and uncracked, when this "American" star is reduced to warring camps. Diffuse tensions now!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.4.45  CB  replied to  Greg Jones @3.4.42    6 years ago

HA! Funny how that happens in D.C. Days of "Olly North." Fond period. But, we digress. Trey Gowdy, "headhunter" has no figurative head of Hillary over his mantle. I guess that means, even he could not manufacture a tale big, wide, and long enough to bag Mrs. Clinton. Hilarious.

Time to throw out that old 'saw' and come back to facts: They are our friends! (Smile.)

 
 
 
KDMichigan
Junior Participates
3.4.46  KDMichigan  replied to  Greg Jones @3.4.42    6 years ago
She evaded the questions,

Or replying over 40 times, I forgot or can't remember is a sure way to convince the sheep that you are innocent of everything. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.4.48  CB  replied to  dennis smith @3.4.44    6 years ago

Hi Dennis! What are conservatives going to do now that Putin is attacking our systems right now??! Anything is too broad. Please elaborate on what President Trump should say and do on Monday! (Smile.)

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.4.49  CB  replied to  Greg Jones @3.4.40    6 years ago

Oh. Is that what Pres. Trump is doing? Really?

 
 
 
1ofmany
Sophomore Silent
3.4.50  1ofmany  replied to  CB @3.4.38    6 years ago

That's a lie. The operative words are: UNDER OATH. Before you get to that level of consideration, you can be charged for lying to congress period. FULL STOP.

She still lied and she destroyed the proof. Anytime a person destroys evidence, I can reasonably assume that she did it because it would incriminate her.

Mr. Trey Gowdy, Esquire, U.S. Representative for South Carolina, would have relished the moment, his career, and possibly his life would have been complete had he been able to catch Hillary Clinton in a single lie in the House interrogations, er hearings. Drop your tired old 'saw' 1ofmany!

She’s had 40 years slithering out of scandals and she’s a smart attorney so she’s hard to catch. 

Get with the facts and shame the Devil!

If the Devil had any shame, she wouldn’t have run for President.

 
 
 
1ofmany
Sophomore Silent
3.4.51  1ofmany  replied to  Dulay @3.4.35    6 years ago
Clinton's emails while she was SoS were NEVER hacked. 

Nobody actually knows that because she used a secret server. 

When’s the last time you saw somebody prosecuted for lying to Congress?

Which begs the question: Why beat a dead horse? 

The comment was made that she testified under oath before Congress. Nobody gets prosecuted so she knew she was ok.

She lied and got away with it.

There is NO evidence of that. Hell Gowdy spent millions and wrote a whole report about it and STILL found NO illegality. 

She destroyed the evidence.

This thread is not about Hillary’s lying but I can go through exactly why I think she lied her ass off. But we would still disagree.

See there is where you and I differ. You think that your OPINION should be enough, I prefer facts. 

Circumstantial evidence can be good enough in a trial and there’s plenty to support my opinion. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.4.52  CB  replied to  1ofmany @3.4.50    6 years ago

You appear to be laboring to have a discussion about nothing in particular. Can we not make this weird?

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
3.4.53  Dulay  replied to  1ofmany @3.4.51    6 years ago
Nobody actually knows that because she used a secret server.

Bullshit. If somebody had Clinton's emails, they would have been released by now. 

The comment was made that she testified under oath before Congress. Nobody gets prosecuted so she knew she was ok.

That's funny because the Congress referred Clinton to the DOJ and Sessions decided not to prosecute her. Now I don't know about you but since Sessions has withstood a shit storm via the wrath of Trump, prosecuting Clinton would sure as hell put him back in Trump's good graces. That infers to me that Sessions doesn't even have probable cause. 

She destroyed the evidence.

Then how the hell do you know she lied? There's no evidence right? 

Oh and BTFW, you said that she lied to Congress. I'm pretty fucking sure that there is a full transcript and I KNOW for a fact that you can go watch the whole 11 hours on C-Span. 

So if, as you insist, she lied to Congress, there sure as hell IS evidence. So PROVE IT. 

Circumstantial evidence can be good enough in a trial and there’s plenty to support my opinion.

Circumstantial evidence of perjury? That's fucking hilarious.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
3.4.54  lib50  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.15    6 years ago
I have no doubt that Trump will deal with the Russian meddling during the summit.

I'll bet you'd like to forget about this little gem.  I guess we know who grabbed our pussy Trump.  Putin did seem a bit spent after Trump's big blow.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
Sophomore Participates
3.4.55  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.15    6 years ago
I have no doubt that Trump will deal with the Russian meddling during the summit.

Suuurrrrre, this is why Trump Propaganda Television had this to say today,

 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.4.56  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.4.55    6 years ago

Think progress?  Giggle

 
 
 
1ofmany
Sophomore Silent
3.4.57  1ofmany  replied to  Dulay @3.4.53    6 years ago
“Nobody actually knows that because she used a secret server.”

Bullshit. If somebody had Clinton's emails, they would have been released by now. 

Once she destroyed them, no one would have them. That’s the point.

“The comment was made that she testified under oath before Congress. Nobody gets prosecuted so she knew she was ok.”

That's funny because the Congress referred Clinton to the DOJ and Sessions decided not to prosecute her. Now I don't know about you but since Sessions has withstood a shit storm via the wrath of Trump, prosecuting Clinton would sure as hell put him back in Trump's good graces. That infers to me that Sessions doesn't even have probable cause. 

That simply reaffirms that nobody gets prosecuted for perjury before Congress and she knew it.

“She destroyed the evidence.”

Then how the hell do you know she lied? There's no evidence right? 

When someone is under suspicion and they destroy evidence, then I’ll assume she did it because the evidence would be incriminating. 

Oh and BTFW, you said that she lied to Congress. I'm pretty fucking sure that there is a full transcript and I KNOW for a fact that you can go watch the whole 11 hours on C-Span. 

I watched her lying as she did it. I’m fully aware of all the factors in the case and it’s my awareness of all the factors that leads me to believe she lied.

So if, as you insist, she lied to Congress, there sure as hell IS evidence. So PROVE IT. 

She destroyed it precisely so it couldn't be proven. Innocent people usually don’t destroy evidence. 

Circumstantial evidence can be good enough in a trial and there’s plenty to support my opinion.

Circumstantial evidence of perjury? That's fucking hilarious.

I assume that you’re aware that people rarely admit guilt and that, in the absence of direct proof, circumstancial evidence is used all the time. I’m really not going to discuss it further. You can think she’s telling the truth and I’ll continue to believe that she’s a liar. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.4.58  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.56    6 years ago

Trump TV just got delivered its very own special.

HELSINKI 2018: Shattered Dreams!

I get the sense, Neil Cavuto is not 'all the way in the car' with President Trump. What do you think, HA?

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
3.4.59  Dulay  replied to  1ofmany @3.4.57    6 years ago
Once she destroyed them, no one would have them. That’s the point.

Didn't you just say that nobody know whether her SoS emails were hacker? Why yes, YES you did. 

That simply reaffirms that nobody gets prosecuted for perjury before Congress and she knew it.

Wait what? Didn't Trump say he was going to drain the swamp and that he was going to be the 'Law and Order' POTUS? 

When someone is under suspicion and they destroy evidence, then I’ll assume she did it because the evidence would be incriminating.

I asked you HOW do you know NOT why do you think. 

I watched her lying as she did it. I’m fully aware of all the factors in the case and it’s my awareness of all the factors that leads me to believe she lied.

What you 'believe' is irrelevant. Either you can prove it, or you can't. So cite the lie[s] and PROVE IT. 

She destroyed it precisely so it couldn't be proven. Innocent people usually don’t destroy evidence.

You JUST SAID that you watched her do it! As I said, ALL of her testimony is transcribed and on video. NONE of that has 'been destroyed'. So again, PROVE IT. 

I assume that you’re aware that people rarely admit guilt and that, in the absence of direct proof, circumstancial evidence is used all the time.

I presume that you have NO fucking clue what the charge of perjury entails. In order to PROVE that someone perjured themselves, you have to PROVE that they knew the TRUTH when they made the statement and intended to mislead and YOU have to PROVE what a TRUE statement should have been.

So have at it. With your extensive knowledge of the case, PROVE that Clinton committed perjury by citing the statement she made, citing the truth of the matter, and PROVE that she KNEW the truth of the matter when she made her statement and INTENTED to mislead. 

You can think she’s telling the truth and I’ll continue to believe that she’s a liar.

You should have just said that 3 days ago and left it at that. 

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
Sophomore Participates
3.4.60  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.56    6 years ago

If you bother to watch it, you will see the video is from FOX News, Think Progress just used it in their report.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

Notice how even here they try to change the narrative from strong economy, wage increases, job growth, stock market, increased defense spending, energy independence, cutting regulations and all that Trump is doing vs. Russia with sanctions, opposing them in Ukraine, selling natural gas and coal to former soviet bloc nations Russia had leverage over, and the defense buildup to the stupid lies created by Obama and Hillary that have no basis in fact whatsoever about Trump colluding with them.  

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
5  Dulay    6 years ago

Wow there is a lot of delusion in there so I'll just pick one:

selling natural gas and coal to former soviet bloc nations Russia had leverage over

The US doesn't sell natural gas to any 'former soviet bloc nations' and the only one that we are selling appreciably more coal to is Slovenia. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @5    6 years ago

Actually as I thought.  We sell LNG to Poland and then they pipe some of that to Ukraine.  This relieves the Russian energy stranglehold on both.  

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
5.1.1  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1    6 years ago
We sell LNG to Poland

How long has it been since Russia had 'leverage over' Poland HA? 

BTFW, we aren't talking about 're-export'. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @5.1.1    6 years ago

When they can cut of the gas in the pipeline in the middle of winter they have leverage and they have exploited that.  As to whether we ship to Ukraine directly and I don’t know if they have facilities to reverse LNG, or the Poles do it and pipe it there themselves means little to me.  We sold it and Russia’s potential leverage was reduced by it.  

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
5.1.3  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.2    6 years ago
When they can cut of the gas in the pipeline in the middle of winter they have leverage and they have exploited that.v

You just said that Poland EXPORTS some of what WE exports to them. Poland OBVIOUSLY isn't getting OUR gas through a fucking pipeline. So, WTF are you talking about? 

We sold it and Russia’s potential leverage was reduced by it.

If LNG is a potential leverage over Ukraine, why is it that Ukraine EXPORTS LNG?

BTFW, Ukraine only gets about .3% of their LNG from Poland. They get 26% from Russian.

laughing dude

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
5.1.4  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.2    6 years ago

Come on HA. YOU 'determined the conversation' but don't answer questions put to you. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @5.1.4    6 years ago

You are the one that said we didn’t sell coal or gas to former communist countries.  Slovenia gets coal, Poland gets LNG that’s a beginning.  Once Poland returned it to NG form they pipelined a portion of it to Ukraine.  There’s nothing more to say except that as we get more LNG export terminals these numbers will grow and as coal production rebounds more will be exported as ours burns more cleanly than local or regional coal in India, China, Germany.  Selling more coal to Eastern Europe is a virtual certainty.  

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
5.1.6  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.5    6 years ago
You are the one that said we didn’t sell coal or gas to former communist countries. 

You're the one who said:

We sold it and Russia’s potential leverage was reduced by it.

So your whole posit is about us helping them help themselves. Yet as I said, Poland EXPORTS LNG so they OBVIOUSLY don't need our 'help' with LNG or they would be stockpiling it. 

Slovenia gets coal,

Slovenia wasn't even a fucking country when the 'soviet bloc' existed. Sheesh. 

Poland gets LNG that’s a beginning.

See above. 

Once Poland returned it to NG form they pipelined a portion of it to Ukraine.

Ya, Ukraine IMPORTED all of .3%. or 3 million in NG from Poland. While the Ukraine exports 226 million in NG.

Are you getting it yet HA. Your 'leverage' scenario is BS. 

Do you have another bubble I can burst for you? 

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
6  sixpick    6 years ago

It’s Time To Stop Allowing Liberals To Determine The Conversation

I've never known the Left to have a conversation.  You can start a conversation, but if you say something they don't like they generally go into the ego mode or the schizophrenia mode if that doesn't work.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
6.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  sixpick @6    6 years ago

They interrupt, talk over, deny, disrupt when a conversation veers from their daily talking points. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
6.1.1  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1    6 years ago
They interrupt, talk over, deny, disrupt when a conversation veers from their daily talking points.

Oh please DO explain how one interrupts and talks over someone TYPING a comment on this forum HA. I have GOT to hear this...

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
7  sixpick    6 years ago

It's a very difficult job of taking the power of influencing the masses by the Left away from them.  They have the USA and world MSM at their disposal.  Opposing views are not only unwelcome in most other countries, they're punishable by imprisonment.  CNN International and other Left Wing MSM is available nearly throughout the world.  The Europeans, with their fallacious belief they are superior to all others have already subjugated themselves to the all powerful governments they live in and have been for a long time.

 
 

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