When Does the Shooting Begin?
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
Each time Republicans do something Democrats do not like, Democrats escalate their rhetoric. The right is not immune from this, but the right is in power right now, so conservatives have less with which to drive fear.
Extreme Rhetoric
After the Southern Poverty Law Center declared the Christian-based Family Research Council a hate group intent on harming gay rights, Floyd Lee Corkins walked into the Council’s offices with Chick-fil-A sandwiches and a gun intent on murdering the employees and stuffing their mouths with the sandwiches.
Also a fan of the Southern Poverty Law Center and its anti-Christian and anti-Republican rhetoric, James Hodgkinson took seriously the Democratic and progressive left rhetoric that Republicans would kill people by repealing the Affordable Care Act. He drove to a baseball field and attempted a mass assassination of Republican members of Congress.
Both men had serious mental issues. But both were provoked by extreme rhetoric from the left. Progressives once claimed Republicans were racist. Now they claim Republicans are racist killers who need to be stopped. According to Democrats, Republicans attempted to kill people through passing tax cuts, repealing Obama era net neutrality regulations, merely considering the repeal of Obamacare and now by the president nominating Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court.
Harassment and Assault
We are already at a point where progressive protestors are showing up at the homes of Trump administration employees. White House staff, members of Congress, Fox News personalities and other notable conservatives are getting harassed and thrown out of restaurants. A random 16-year-old in San Antonio, Texas, was assaulted in a restaurant last week for wearing a “Make America Great Again” cap.
Russia Stole the Election
Democrats have now convinced a good portion of their base that Russia stole the 2016 election and that Russia is trying to steal the 2018 election as well. In fact, some Democratic consultants are already warning that Democratic leaders may be suppressing their vote by saying Russia is going to steal the election.
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Democrats are increasingly vocal about the idea that they think Republicans in Congress are doing Russia’s bidding. They view Donald Trump as an authoritarian figure waiting for just the right moment to suspend elections and impose a dictatorship. Hollywood Director Josh Whedon declared merely considering Kavanaugh’s nomination would create the first American dictatorship.
On Independence Day, The First Purge came out in theaters. The movie posits that the National Rifle Association backed a coup that put a dictatorship in power in the United States. Democrats consider the group a terrorist organization that Republicans show fealty to. They also believe Immigration and Customs Enforcement is a terrorist organization that should be abolished.
A Destructive Tool
In the 24 hours after President Trump nominated Brett Kavanaugh for the Supreme Court, former Speaker Nancy Pelosi declared Kavanaugh would be “a destructive tool on a generation of progress for workers, women, LGBTQ people, communities of color [and] families” and that he would “radically reverse the course of American justice [and] democracy.” Yale law students declared people would die because of Kavanaugh. NBC News journalists spread, as news, a false rumor that Anthony Kennedy negotiated his retirement contingent on Kavanaugh’s appointment.
All of this is just hyperbole designed to motivate a political base and fundraise. But this is the world in which a man attempted the mass assassination of Republican members of Congress inspired by similar rhetoric. And things have gotten far worse since then.
Stop This
To believe Democrats, voting no longer matters because Russia is stealing the elections; Republicans are doing the bidding of a terrorist group; another terrorist group runs part of the government forcibly separating children from their parents; Republicans are letting corporations kill Americans; Anthony Kennedy is ensuring Brett Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court to protect the NRA, Christian fundamentalists, and a president who should otherwise be indicted; and the system is rigged. The Democrats’ call to action is “stop this.”
How long before more Hodgkinsons believe the dystopian picture painted by the Democrats? The Russians are in charge, voting no longer matters, the system is rigged, and the Supreme Court is now a tool of a would-be dictator. It is only a matter of time before “stop this” leads to “shoot them.”
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“Democrats are increasingly vocal about the idea that they think Republicans in Congress are doing Russia's bidding. They view Donald Trump as an authoritarian figure waiting for just the right moment to suspend elections and impose a dictatorship. Hollywood Director Josh Whedon declared merely considering Kavanaugh's nomination would create the first American dictatorship.
On Independence Day, "The First Purge" came out in theaters. The movie posits that the National Rifle Association backed a coup that put a dictatorship in power in the United States. Democrats consider the group a terrorist organization that Republicans show fealty to. They also believe Immigration and Customs Enforcement is a terrorist organization that should be abolished.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/townhall.com/columnists/erickerickson/2018/07/13/when-does-the-shooting-begin-n2499812%3famp=true
Killing fascists was a popular Hollywood theme decades ago. The resurgence of that genre was inevitable in today's political climate. I'm looking forward to seeing movies like that with the latest special effects applied. I've probably seen every WWII movie at least a dozen times.
Figures that when a seed shows up about liberals shooting conservatives over political policy and issues differences that you’d be there to cheer it on.
I find the premise of historical repetition colliding with karma in cinema fascinating.
According to Democrats, Republicans attempted to kill people through passing tax cuts, repealing Obama era net neutrality regulations, merely considering the repeal of Obamacare and now by the president nominating Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court.
We are already at a point where progressive protestors are showing up at the homes of Trump administration employees. White House staff, members of Congress, Fox News personalities and other notable conservatives are getting harassed and thrown out of restaurants. A random 16-year-old in San Antonio, TX was assaulted in a restaurant last week for wearing a "Make America Great Again" cap. https://www.creators.com/read/erick-erickson
I think it's hilarious those that have projected 2nd class citizenship on others since the inception of the USA are getting their karma delivered back to them in spades. America, fuck yeah.
It is liberal fascism that seeks to divide us in every way imaginable. It is great to see the courts beginning to protect all Americans 1st and 2nd amendment rights. Antifa and rent a mobs will not stop our Keep America Great efforts.
Oxymoron.
Fascism is literally at the opposite end of the political spectrum from liberalism. They aren't even close. Fascists HATE liberals. (Deleted)
Liberalism is the polar opposite of fascism like Jewish Nazis. Butt then, you already know that. Don't you?
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that fascism under Benito Mussolini and Nazism under Adolf Hitler came from the same intellectual source as Progressivism, the birth-mother of American liberalism. The term “liberal fascism” comes from a speech made by author H. G. Wells when he told a group of Young Liberals at Oxford that Progressives must become “liberal fascists” and “enlightened Nazis.”
“I’m not saying today’s liberals are Hitler’s cousins,” Goldberg said at his first discussion of the book held at the Heritage Foundation. “They’re more like his grand-niece once removed.”
The author claims the point of the book is to give an accurate definition and history of fascism, a word which he asserts is commonly misused.
“Many modern liberals and leftists act as if they know exactly what fascism is. What’s more, they see it everywhere—except when they look in the mirror,” Goldberg’s book reads. “Indeed, the left wields the term like a cudgel to beat opponents from the square like seditious pamphleteers.”
The side of fascism he attributes to American liberalism is not that associated with the works of George Orwell or the racism and genocide of the Holocaust. It is much less brutal, “smiley-face fascism,” as he puts it. He asserts that liberals hold political principles which are similar to those found in many fascist regimes. They have a desire to form a powerful state which coordinates a society where everybody belongs and everyone is taken care of; where there is faith in the perfectibility of people and the authority of experts; and where everything is political, including health and well-being. Apparently, the Nazis were strong promoters of organic foods and animal rights, fought against large department stores, and promoted antismoking and public health drives.
“The Nazi war on smoking would make Michael Bloomberg’s heart jump,” Goldberg jokingly said.
According to Goldberg, fascism has a long history in American politics, spanning back to Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Goldberg even finds fascist tendencies within the presidencies of John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson and Bill Clinton as each tried to create an “all-caring, all-powerful, all-encompassing” state. His book traces more recent signs of fascist ideology in the economic ideas of Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and Al Gore.
So how did fascism become associated with the political right? Goldberg claims this stems from the propaganda surrounding Marxism. In the 1920s, fascist ideas were popular among the American left as many saw Italian Fascism as a “worthwhile experiment.” The German version that emerged in the 1930s had considerably less appeal.
“The American left essentially picked a different team—the Red team,” Goldberg writes, “and as such swore fealty to communist talking points about fascism.”
At the same time, Joseph Stalin, the General Secretary of the Communist Party in the Soviet Union, found it beneficial to label all ideas which he did not agree with as fascist; this included socialists who were disloyal to Moscow and, of course, the political right. Those loyal to his social doctrine also began to see communism and fascism on opposite ends when, as Goldberg asserts, both are in fact socialist in nature. https://www.aim.org/briefing/liberal-fascism-explained/
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It would be a lot easier if you admitted you are wrong because....well, you are. Than to keep digging that hole.
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And tell us, HA, the Neo-Nazi's of today, who did they support in the last election? Hint: It was trump.
No I’m not going to admit to anything you demand. What was seeded or posted by me is true and will stand as is free and uncensored.
Ah, ok, so you are going to stick your fingers in your ears and yell, "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!!!!!!!! I don't hear you!!!!!!!!!!!". Fine with me HA, doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.
You are free to have and express your personal opinion. As am I. I stand by what the seeded article says. It is well and logically written and right on.
I didn't post an opinion. I posted the book definition of fascism. Deal with it.
I have posted no charts on this article. Be careful, HA will flag you as off topic.
What a piece of work. What a "projectionist."
So did I.
Probably some secret reference to how he remembers me from before here.
“The term “liberal fascism” comes from a speech made by author H. G. Wells when he told a group of Young Liberals at Oxford that Progressives must become “liberal fascists” and “enlightened Nazis.”
Great post in 2.1.25. Thanks for putting it here. I endorse your fine comment.
Nope. And I as the seeder for the record did not flag 2.1.16 as off topic nor would I have. That was not a seeders decision and was done in spite of me not because of me ftr.
Unfortunately, the antifascists lost that one in Germany and Hitler rose to power.
Seriously, do you honestly think the communist anti fascists in Germany were better than the fascist nazis?
How about something in between?
I guess we'll never know. I know the fascists were pretty bad for Germany. Norman's comment above seems to be linking the antifa movement there with the nazis. That wasn't the case of course.
Thanks for putting that here. It’s right on!
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We're in the veiled threat segment of the rightwing campaign for the mid-terms.
You are correct that the rudeness and anger and violence done by the political left to Heartland Americans and to those who we elected to serve us will be a key part of the political campaign. Like this: https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/campaign/394389-new-gop-campaign-ad-targets-unhinged-dems%3famp
The Republican National Committee (RNC) is going after Democratic politicians and liberal celebrities in a new ad dubbing the left as "unhinged."
The ad, released Tuesday, splices together sound bites from Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), as well as several celebrities, to cast the modern Democratic Party as radical and - at times - violent.
"A few years ago, ideas that we talked about were thought to be fringe ideas, radical ideas and extremist ideas," Sanders can be heard saying in the ad, as images of burning cars and graffiti promoting revolution appear on the screen. "Those ideas are now mainstream."
Deflection and projection. Too bad the original on topic comment was flagged to accommodate the change of direction in this conversation.
You could seed your own article....
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Then start your own seed with it and stay on topic here.
Fearmongering. You post about it a lot. It is one of the favorite tools socialists use to spawn suspicion, unrest and violence from within.
Sometimes it's blatant, sometimes it's subtle. Subtlety is an art form. This article is an example of rightwing extremist fearmongering. Facts relayed in a fashion designed to create nervousness. Constant danger. A looming crisis. A need to arm yourself for protection. Protection, not from an oppressive government, from each other.
The title is "When Does The Shooting Begin?" The article then proceeds to show that the shooting has already begun.
'When Does The Shooting Back Begin?' becomes the question in the readers mind. Yet, there are plenty of examples to suggest that it already has. The purpose of this article and many others like it is to promote escalation.
Your neighbors are not your enemies.
Our neighbors are not our enemies. It is extremist hate groups like the SPLC and like minded groups that plant ideas in the minds of easily influenced among them that it’s ok to shoot up a faith based policy groups headquarters and cram Chick-fil-a sandwiches 🥪 in their mouths or go attempt to assassinate a dozen or so GOP congressmen on a ball field. BLM turns people against cops and Antifa roughs up the opposition whereever they have a sizable numerical advantage. It is the left harassing conservatives who are elected or appointed parts of our existing government.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we heard you the first time.
Assume you are aware that during The American Revolution, 'the neighbors' that were sympathetic to the rebels shot 'their neighbors' who deemed themselves allied with The Tories.
For even more adnauseam-----so much for the 'neighbor' crap. Conservatism always has enemies and fears to placate it's terrified base.
I’m well aware of the issues between patriots and loyalists. Particularly in the south late in the war. There is no correlation between those times and our situation now.
Not true at all. And Trumpism is magnifying it.
Another point. As Eric Ericsson is a well known pundit in print and on tv and creators inc. is a well known source, the seeded article appeared on opinion pages of Newspapers all over the country. It wasn’t some unheard of person who wrote this but one well within the broad mainstream of American political thought and opinion.
Oh yes, he is well known, in fact there have been those who consider him to be America's most influential conservative.
Editor of "Red State" and "The Resurgent". Commentator for FOX and CNN.
His list of credentials is long. He is greatly admired and revered all across the country by the extremist rightwing. Equally as effective at fomenting hatred and violence as his colleagues on the left.
Neither he nor his words come close to fitting the term extreme. Mainstream would be a more accurate description of him and his views.
Yow wouldn't consider his attempt to dissolve the Macon, Georgia Police Department because they wanted to form a union extreme?
Is that the thinking of mainstream America or the creed of radical extremism?
Being opposed to unionization hardly makes one extreme. I celebrated the most recent Supreme Court ruling on government unions. Now right to work laws apply all across America, even in California, Illinois, and New York for government workers of any kind.
A desperate attempt at deflection but useful in making my point. Denying the right of people to choose unionization by removing their jobs is extremism.
It’s an economic and political tactic. No more extreme than telling people that they must join a union and pay its dues as a precondition of employment at a given job. Or the violence unions have used to impose their will. Anyway we’re wandering from the topic of the seeded article.....
Ericsson is a Quisling driven by profit.
Erickson is a great American. A true patriot loyal to God and country.
just curious. Is it that he’s a card carrying never Trumper that has made you upset with him?
Funny, I think that Obama was/is a quisling motivated by profit.
Lol, you know that entire post went COMPLETELY over HA's head right?
My first thought on this was when is the shooting going to stop.
The idea is to expose it, to shine the light of day upon those who would resort to violence and shame them into limiting their angered expression to words only.
I have the same idea.
Whatever pays the bills.
We haven’t been able to pay the bills with what we seed or say since Newsvine halted its earnings plan.
His head is not at the top of my list of priorities. Not over his head. As related to this article, it is the art of subtlety.
Retreat, gloss over and ignore. Do not attempt to rebut an un-rebuttable truth.
The instigators of these shootings are never the ones who do the shooting. HA told no lies about these various left wing groups he has named. They are evil, bullies with the rhetoric, dangerous and should not be ignored. Neither should their mirror image on the left.
Create the environment of violence and then step in and take over when the shooting stops.
Articles like this are the weapons of a non-shooting war.
A bit of an oops. Where it says "mirror image on the left" I meant for it to be "on the right". I am involved with a similar author elsewhere and the right and left extremists are so much alike it's hard to tell them apart.
The idea is to keep it that way and to shame those who would resort to or instigate others into a shooting one. The article does that.
Seriously?! Like are you THAT blind? Oh and BTW, there is a good question for you on your "I am being persecuted because I don't always get my way" bitching seed.
On the surface it so appears yet the finger is only pointing in one direction.
There is only one direction to point now. Where the vast bulk of the issues are coming from. I was right in the middle of the Tea Party when it started and participated in meetings, town halls, and protests and we were always neat and orderly, always left where we were better than it was before we were there and never had any bad signs or threatening comments or gestures. We weeded out imposters and never needed security or police at our events.
When it started. Before it became a hideout for extremists.
Really another very poor deflection. What in the blazes does you and a couple of your friends not being litter bugs have to do with politics? Did you see the floor when the Reps. finished with their convention?
I am surprised that the seeder of this article hasn't flagged you, they are well known for complaining about deflections.
You are out time for this article. Hurry and join in on the Trump/Putin press conference that just ended, I am sure you already have a couple of propaganda articles prewritten and ready to seed from your mainstream of the fanatical right wing media.
I am the seeder and I say it’s not off topic. There is nothing wrong with the TEA Party. I know the people still in it here and they are fine upstanding church people who would never engage in extremist activity. The sweeping generalization stereotyping of the of the Tea Party is getting old.
My favorite fearmongering tail has to do with why Justice Kennedy is retiring...
Too funny .. extreme rhetoric is the first sub title in the seed … I was talking about extreme rhetoric from the left regarding a Justice of the Supreme Court - my feelers are crushed! … : )
Hahahaha!
I don’t even remember flagging your comment. Sorry if I did.
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When Does the Shooting Begin?
Well one would hope, never.
Just keep fanning the flames and you may get the shooting you so seem to desire. Can you say martial law, they seem to be looking for an excuse.
No. By exposing to the sunlight dangerous to civility and comity actions taken by some against elected and appointed officials and their supporters it’s a deterrent to further such activity when sufficiently exposed and rejected.