Left-Wing Antifa Terrorists ‘Freaking Out’ over Proposed ‘Unmasking’ Law
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The left-wing terrorist organization that calls itself Antifa is “ freaking out ” over a proposed law that would enhance penalties for anyone who “injures, oppresses, threatens, or intimidates any person” while wearing a disguise or mask.
Throughout our country, and for a number of years now — and primarily because the establishment media fantasizes about , promotes , enflames and approves of the violence committed against the right (naturally, HuffPo opposes the unmasking law) — Antifa has been allowed to run rampant, committing countless acts of violence against everyday, peaceful supporters of President Donald Trump.
Antifa has also been responsible for untold amounts of vandalism and property damage, and targets the alt-right.
The Unmasking Antifa Act of 2018 can mean additional fines and prison terms of up to 15 years. The Hill reports the “bill was introduced by Republican Rep. Dan Donovan (N.Y.) and is co-sponsored by GOP Reps. Pete King (R-NY), Paul Gosar (R-AZ) and Ted Budd (R-NC).”
Ironically, this proposed law is similar to laws passed decades ago in states like Georgia and Alabama to stop another terrorist group formed by far-left Democrats, the Ku Klux Klan. According to the far-left New York Times , Ohio and West Virginia already have similar laws on the books.
Unless it is Halloween, Mardi Gras, or some other kind of celebration, there is no legitimate reason to disguise who you are in public, unless you intend to do something illegal and do not wish to be identified.
And since our establishment media choose to encourage , stoke , dismiss , foment , downplay , and excuse harassment, violence and property damage against Trump supporters; since the media are normalizing and even making heroes of violent, left-wing thugs, it is important that law enforcement have all the tools necessary to stop this epidemic of lawlessness.
Nevertheless, people are still freaking out. Carmichael Monaco, a member of the Metropolitan Anarchist Coordinating Council, a New York City-based activist group, told Vice Tuesday:
[The unmasking law] takes a pro-fascist stance in its very name, and doubtlessly in its enforcement. In the current political climate, antifascists who speak out against fascism, racism, xenophobia, etc. are routinely harassed, threatened, and attacked by the far right, often supported by the police, who are notably exempted here. Families and friends of antifascists also become targets of far right violence. The wearing of a mask is an act of self-defense often necessary to ensure one’s right to free speech.
“It’s a law that threatens to clamp down on direct action politics more broadly. I think it sets a disturbing precedent,” Mark Bray, a professor at Dartmouth who studies human rights and radical politics told Vice.
No examples of Antifa being victims or targets are cited anywhere in the Vice piece. But…
Here are 352 (and counting) verified acts of violence and harassment against Trump supporters, much of it committed by Antifa terrorists wearing masks.
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“Throughout our country, and for a number of years now — and primarily because the establishment media fantasizes about, promotes, enflamesand approves of the violence committed against the right (naturally, HuffPo opposes the unmasking law) — Antifa has been allowed to run rampant, committing countless acts of violence against everyday, peaceful supporters of President Donald Trump.
Antifa has also been responsible for untold amounts of vandalism and property damage, and targets the alt-right.
The Unmasking Antifa Act of 2018 can mean additional fines and prison terms of up to 15 years. The Hill reports the “bill was introduced by Republican Rep. Dan Donovan (N.Y.) and is co-sponsored by GOP Reps. Pete King (R-NY), Paul Gosar (R-AZ) and Ted Budd (R-NC).”
Ironically, this proposed law is similar to laws passed decades ago in states like Georgia and Alabama to stop another terrorist group formed by far-left Democrats, the Ku Klux Klan. According to the far-left New York Times, Ohio and West Virginia already have similar laws on the books.
Unless it is Halloween, Mardi Gras, or some other kind of celebration, there is no legitimate reason to disguise who you are in public, unless you intend to do something illegal and do not wish to be identified.
And since our establishment media choose to encourage, stoke, dismiss, foment, downplay, and excuseharassment, violence and property damage against Trump supporters; since the media are normalizing and even making heroes of violent, left-wing thugs, it is important that law enforcement have all the tools necessary to stop this epidemic of lawlessness.”
pffft. Good luck with that.
"The United States is a nation of laws, badly written and randomly enforced." - Frank Zappa
I think that both equally morally evil masked groups the KKK and Antifa should be banned from wearing masks in public. A great proposal. Will the democrats filibuster for Antifa right before the election?
Antifa isn't part of the democratic party, but I encourage and support their future efforts to send as many trump-nazis to local emergency rooms as possible. If wearing a mask gets 15 years, waving a nazi or confederate flag should at least justify the death penalty, using trumpster logic.
Man, just gotta love all the tough keyboard warriors!
LMFAO and SMMFH
Bwah ha ha ha ha
Dear Friend Heartland America: I concur that every group out to do violence, break laws, and/or trample on the rights of anyone regardless of political orientation should not be allowed to wear masks to hide their identity.
Hope July 4th for you and yours was a joyous and meaningful one.
Peace and Abundant Blessings Always.
Enoch.
Everybody's a tough guy when sitting behind a keyboard, calling for violence over another person's politics!
LOL!
Don't you just love the liberal tolerance of the cowards:
The idiots that wave Nazi flags at least manage to prove they are braver than the idiots in Antifa.
... and a lot more conservative.
Totalitarianism doesn't care about liberal or conservative.
Liberal totalitarianism? Yeah, right.
That's exactly what happened in the USSR. They started out using Violence to obtain their Liberal Paradise but all they ended up with was a Totalitarian Government that ruled by Violence.
A lot of hate in that comment. There's so much hate I think I can actually feel it. Someone supports a way to reduce the amount of violence in this country and what do we hear from some people? Support for violence supported by a tremendous amount of hate toward others who are only trying to help prevent increasing hate crimes by groups who also support hate.
I don't see a law restricting the 1st amendment rights of Americans, created just to help reduce the number of rightwing extremist ass kickings, making it past the SCOTUS. If the rightwing is so interested in outlawing a piece of cloth, they can start with confederate and nazi flags.
Thugs and bandits have to wear masks to hide their identity--or is it their shame?
No one is restricting their speech.
I am so bad I type with my thumbs.
And would those be opposable thumbs?
That's exactly why I'll be keeping my gun.
meh, I just like hearing about/watching neo-Nazis and white supremacists get their asses kicked.
Like this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0rsXlP9Kumk Or this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cRG7BHAwl4c Or this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fd5CzNts_lQ And https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx-Vmhj3n00
It was. Thanks for the kind words and may G-d richly bless you.
exactly and it applies to both the KKK and Antifa as well as anarchy groups that cover their face.
What if it's winter and your face is cold? What if you have some nasty skin condition that needs to be protected from wind or sun? What if you're a devout female muslim? What if you're a germophobe and you wear a mask to avoid catching something?
... or a surgical team. >cough< >cough< >hah-choo!<
Surgical teams wear masks in public, or the operating room?
I would hope people would wait to see what he was up to before acting violently.
What if your mother likes seeing me nekid
She might be okay with that.
I bet she usually has to pay to see a freak show!
And NO offense at all meant toward his mother.
I think it is outrageous and hilarious at the same time that the terrorist scum bag Antifa clowns are throwing a fit about the Unmasking Law and totally fail to see that, through their actions, they have actually become that which they claim to hate so much!
Used to march back in the Nam days. Antifa is doing the same thing but even better. Fuck fascists.
Antifa are fascists.
How is it you confuse liberals that are willing to confront gangs of fascists with being fascists themselves?
Up is down? Black is white?
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antifa and nazi symbols https://www.chronicleus.com/the-left-antifa-and-the-nazis/
Antifa wears black, Mussolini's Fascists wore black...
And the Klan supports civil rights in your alternate reality world.
Being anti-fascist is what all moral people so so I support the actions of the Antifa in riding the county of fascism.
Anarchists and cops also wear black.
Antifa is a domestic and international terrorist organization and should be dealt with by the various national governments where they exist accordingly. Seattle 1999 WTO protest response would be the right response to their riots.
Well, it's racist to speak out against racism in their alternate reality, so this fits in quite nicely!
Pretty sure I know the difference between far right wing fascism and those of us who fight against that particular brand of evil. The world needs ANTIFA to keep Heartland Institute paid thugs in check. We're the good guys in this war.
Webster’s defines fascism as “a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of the opposition.”
So who has Antifa confronted in this country that has called themselves fascists or remotely fits within the definition of a fascist? If Antifa can pick parts of the definition and label someone a fascist, then the same can be done to them by saying that Antifa is, itself, fascist because they advocate forcible suppression of the opposition.
I think the proposed legislation is a clever political stunt designed to force Democrats to chose between a potential conflict with their base or supporting masked vigilantism.
Anytime you support violence against others you are in the wrong.
The fact of the matter is some folks have turned racism into an alternate reality.
Interesting that left-wing SPLC won't put violent Antifa on its "hate group" list.
The SPLC has no credibility anymore, except to a relatively small handful of malcontents.
So, you support violence to shut up those people you disagree with? That’s TRUE FASCISM.
I believe the irony of that completely escapes them!
Deleted any far right wing group is a textbook definition of a fascist. That's why ANTIFA exists.
Kind of a dumb question.
The Tea Party were fascist? When did they strip away anybody's rights and take away anybody's civil liberties? You do know they existed to try to stop the waste and excess of rampant spending, right?
Expalin how it fits rather than just declare that it does.
Kind of a dumb response.
Really? The Heartland Institute actually hires thugs and goons to use force to intimidate people into adopting their world view? Could you please provide a link to Heartland Institute paid thugs? Do you think it ok for Antifa to beat up on Americans who agree with Heartland on key political, economic, environmental issues?
I was in the TEA Party from day one and still support it. It was all about personal and economic freedom and liberty 🗽 and a support of the USA 🇺🇸. The tea party 🎈 is the ultimate definition of anti fascism.
They’re just using the word “fascist” as a slur without regard to whether anybody is actually a fascist or not.
You cannot combat fascism with Hallmark cards and hugs. When genocide is the goal of fascism, you use any possible weapon to stop it.
I have a feeling you wouldn't know what a textbook definition of fascism looks like, so I'm here to supply one:
The only difference between this definition and the actual policies and actions of the modern American Left and Antifa is the "ultranationalism" part (and the European part, of course).
On the other hand, the only thing the American Right has in common with this definition is the nationalism part. Conservatives love their country, but being patriotic is hardly unique to fascism. Beyond that, conservatives champion individual liberty, deregulated industry, and free markets. The conservative (classically liberal) ideology supports limited government, not authoritarianism.
Huh? An Anti Fascist group is fascist? So your argument is literally, "I know you are but what am I"? Sad.
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I think it’s great that conservative groups are rallying in large enough numbers in these places where Antifa is so that they can defeat the inevitable attack from them and put them in their rightful place in retreat. It’s great to see some real Americans standing up to the fascist rent a mob.
I think we can safely say they are and we can also say the white supremacists are also fascist. I don't know anyone who supports either one of them that usually sides with us. We don't support Hamas, MS13, Illegal Immigrants over Americans or people in high positions who leave it without a doubt they are full of hate. And some people do support all of these.
We all speak out against racism, but we don't act like Antifa, nor do we act like White Supremacists. We don't support either group. We would never think of suggesting an anarchist group do the job of bringing peace to our citizens as some do.
Please provide the link or comment on this site where you've ever seen that we support either Antifa or the Klan.
Since Perez, the Chairman of the Democrat Party has stated Democratic Socialism is the future of the Democrat Party, from here on out they will be known as the Democratic Socialist Party to me. Even the opponent, Cynthia Nixon, in the governors race in New York says she is a Democratic Socialist. I tend to agree the Democratic Socialist are stepping up their control of the party.
Interesting how overspending is always a trait of the right, but is always blamed on the left.
We all know the White Supremacists are a hate group, but it seems just by saying they hate Fascism, even though they seem to hate anyone who disagrees with them, somewhat like the Democratic Socialists, they aren't considered a hate group.
Antifa isn't a 'hate group,' Southern Poverty Law Center claims
Antifa originated from Communism which millions of people died, but to the Democratic Socialists Antifa is doing their work for them kind of like the brown shirts did for the Nazis and the Red Guard did for the Bolsheviks. This country is a Capitalist country and Antifa is against Capitalism, so who are they?
We'd be surprised Texan. In this country, we are allowed to hear opposing views. In most countries of the world, even though they think they have this freedom, I personally think they have been deceived. Opposing views or broadcasts such as Fox isn't viewed in that many countries. Most countries get their information about this country from BBC, which they have the highest of regard and CNN International, which contains a lot of the same personalities we see here in the USA.
They really don't know anything about Fox and most of them have never even seen Fox News. After generations of being conditioned by the media they depend on for the way they view the world and the USA, many don't have a lot of use for the USA either.
So you can imagine why some people here would support SPLC. I really don't know why, but some people are more susceptible and others are not, evidently.
I'm not supporting either group. We are doing a very good job of beating them at the ballot box as far as I'm concerned, but we do have a lot of propaganda to overcome from such sources as the.....
BBC: White supremacy: Are US right-wing groups on the rise?
I feel confident if I research it, I'll find the BBC criticizing the Tea Party as well. There is an objective to this propaganda and it isn't to prevent Fascism in this world.
Not NEARLY as dumb as the reply!
They just call other people fascist and call themselves anti-fascist so they can justify attacking people. They’re really just a bunch of spoiled brats acting like vigilantes and, if they keep it up, somebody’s going to get seriously injured.
Where, other than in your own mind, have you seen fascists over here advocating genocide?
Largest deficits in HISTORY came courtesy of DEMOCRATS.
So I tend to wear white. What does that make me?
Do you go out of your way and beat people up when you are wearing white?
Ah, but Antifa also uses the same tactics as Mussolini's Blackshirts to force their views on everyone that disagrees with them.
There is an old saying for that. Something about Birds of a feather.... Funny thing about ANTIFA (and the far left in general) they say it is OK to punch Nazis then you find out anyone who disagrees with them is a Nazi.
"Nazism is a form of fascism and showed that ideology's disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system , but also incorporated fervent antisemitism , scientific racism , and eugenics into its creed. Its extreme nationalism came from Pan-Germanism and the Völkisch movement prominent in the German nationalism of the time, and it was strongly influenced by the anti-Communist Freikorps paramilitary groups that emerged after Germany's defeat in World War I , from which came the party's "cult of violence" which was "at the heart of the movement."
While they called their version of fascism the "National Socialist German Workers Party" they were far from actual socialism and light years from the mix of socialism and capitalism that virtually every liberal in America embraces. It's sad when some try to peddle ignorant nonsense about liberals in an attempt to smear them and deflect the truth about the alt-right and their fascist ideals and the fact that they currently embrace the Neo-Nazis and KKK and other white supremacist and white nationalist groups as they are far closer to the ideals of Nazism than any progressives or liberal groups are.
Actually lots of cops wear blue.
Being antifa and bring truly anti-fascist are two entirely different things....they may call themselves anti, but they are just as bad as fascists
Much like the Antia clowns vanadalizing the Berkley Campus to keep a cnservative form speaking there in a normal excahnge of ideas on a collegecampus.
They call themselves anti fascist yet use fascist tactics to attack and disrupt normal American political activity.
Preventing normal conservative speech while calling ordinary conservatives delivering the message fascist is the Antifa way. Using violence to suppress and repress opposition expression
I can as an ex democrat say the above is my experience
Never got into that. Too busy following orders while in the Air Force, but I saw the lowlife scumbags when I came home. I expect them to graduate to a lower level just as they did back in the day from just protesting, destroying other people's property and start blowing things up like they did back then with gangs like The Weather Underground and the Black Panthers.
They were radical Leftest as they are now. You can call all Trump supporters Fascist all you want, but hate is something that can't be hidden because it eats at a person's soul and destroys them all the while they are screaming for actions of violence supported by their hate for others.
These antifa and the white supremacist are hate groups and we don't support either one of them. Can you say the same thing?
Was SDS back in the day but never hurt anyone. Stayed away from those who thought to.
Good evening CJ. Funny thing is that many of us, myself included, were in Nam doing our jobs and fighting for our lives and our country and laughing our arses off at anti-war protesters back home! A lot of us saw communism/socialism up close at he hands of the VC and NVA enough to hate the very concept. Antifa is too stupid to realize they have become what they profess to hate so much. FUCK Antifa!
And exactly what were we fighting for in Nam?
I'm not going to go there with you on that one. It would have the same result our disputes went on Paul Watson and his merry band of Sea Shepherd pirates did on NV a few years back. That is a off topic situation as it is. Besides, we both know we would never agree so why go there? With that said, have a good day Sir.
It's only a 'terrorist organization' to fascists.
Any organization that tries to silence free speech in this country IS a terrorist organization.
Credible threats of violence to those who oppose fascism are not protected free speech.
Is a lynching protected religious speech?
Some people would love to take this country back before 1860 so they would have a purpose in life. They are the radicals and in fact both antifa and the white supremacist have a lot more in common than they differ.
Most people refer to them as Klansmen.
What do the Klan and the Antifa possibly have in common?
Rage?
In my opinion, they're both hate groups and act as anarchists.
And both masked.
Pretty sure that ANTIFA is a response to far right wing hate groups, not a root cause.
I wish ANTIFA all the best. Fascism should not exist in the U.S.of A.
And people who believe in radical ideas like free speech and individual liberty.
Those ideas fall way down toward the bottom of the list of personal rights when dealing with statism.
Hate speech is a crime.
First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Now inciting violence is a crime, but can you show me anywhere in the First Amendment above where it says hate speech is a crime? We know you can't, because it isn't a crime.
Well said. Hate speech laws can be written and the courts can decide if they trample upon constitutionally protected speech. Speaking of speech, I’d like to see everyone who opposes or supports Antifa tone it down overall on this seed. Thanks.
In many countries, it is. In the United States, it is not.
So anarchy and libertarianism is the way to deal with a seriously complex world?
not a chance...
that crap may fly in other countries but there is no exception for hate speech in the first amendment.
free speech is the right to offend others like it or not
The connection you are attempting to draw makes no sense. How does free speech equate to anarchy?
Any speech that can’t be silenced by Antifa and is freely expressed without secular progressive censors or msm filters is their definition of anarchy.
The loony left wants us to believe that Antifa is short for Anti Facists.
Anyone with a grain of thought process can see that, by their actions, Antifa actually stands for Anti First Amendment.
The loony left knows this, they just won't admit to it because it will open up for the world to see their hatred for the Constitution.
Too bad Germany didn't have a strong ANTIFA organization back in the Nazi days. Just think of all of that needless suffering that we could have prevented.
So you consider the communists that wanted to make Germany into the image of Stalins Russia to be a major improvement?
Too bad that Russia didn't have an ANTIFA movement that wasn't killed by Putin. Yep Trump's best buddy kills folk who disagree with him. Pretty sure that Donny would love to do the same.
They did. It was a product of the Communist Party which was one of the top Parties until 1933. You see, neither the Nazi nor the Communist Party, represented by Antifa were anything we would want in this country today.
Funny how communism is such a great idea but Americans have been brainwashed against it for decades.
Really? Where has this “great idea” ever worked out ? It doesn’t take propaganda to persuade us how evil and badly run every place that’s tried it turned out to be.
Sorry, but Antifa is a fascist group, much like the Nazis were. Antifa stands for Anti First Amendment, trying to shut down anyone with an opposing view, and assaulting anyone who dared strike back. Nazis are the same, but went one step further and actually killed pretty much everyone they did not like. Won't be long now before Antifa begins the same tactics.
Because he won't get his free shit he enjoys here in a communist country
Well said. Thanks!
Well said. Thanks!
Really? What exactly is it that makes communism a great idea to you?
Antifa is around to protect patriotic American from these koch suckers.
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Dear Brother Kavika: I wrote a letter to the group your pictured.
I offered my services as a Rabbi and Chaplain to their group.
Not heard back yet.
I can only assume they have been busy soliciting for their local State of Israel Bond campaign.
Will keep you posted.
Up to My Pupick in Winnebagels with Lox and Cream Cheese at Jay's Diner.
Enoch.
Keep me informed as to your progress, Niijii....LOL
Yea I heard there was almost 100 of them./s
I knew that we could count on you to attempt to, '''Look over there ------------------------->''
LOL.....
I believe his point was that there are so few of them that they don't amount to a hill of beans, and yet people are getting all twisted up over them. They have absolutely no power politically. To think otherwise is folly.
Seems like yet another case of Chicken Little.
Isn't it the RW that are getting worked up over Antifa.....LOL talk about chicken little. The RW sure fit that description.
Okey-dokey then.
LMAO!
Why don't you go unmask them yourself. While your at it unmask these boys as well, loki.
Is that why people like Richard Spencer and David Duke support trump? Funny!
I agree Mr. Frost 5.3.8 was a pretty dumb ass comment, wasn't it...LOL
So the majority of minorities vote democratic because they love racism....LMAO, try again loki.
This seed is about an anti masking law being proposed and the reaction of Antifa and their fans to the law. It’s not about what about isms or any other group.
He claimed he was a democrat but no democrats would vote for his racist ass, so, he switched parties and viola, he was elected. Guess YOU didn't read his time like EITHER!!!
I don't support them and I don't think 96 supports them either, nor do we support violence on either side including Antifa which is a product of the Communist Party. Just because you can post a picture of them doesn't mean any of us support any of these anarchists and hate groups. I'm pretty sure Koch doesn't support them either, unless you can provide proof they do, I'll continue to assume they don't.
Texan, do you support either one of these groups? Some people here say they support Antifa. So we don't support violence and some others do. Interesting how we become the bad guys in this scenario.
If I was still a moderator, I'd fix those photos for you and put them beside each other. Maybe two or three lined up at a time.
So we have a bunch of photos from one event. How impressive.
Oh, HELL NO!
I don't even know anyone personally who does.
I see many loons on here supporting Antifa, but no REAL people!
But he doesn't support them. He had to answer that question by every Democratic Socialist personality a dozen times and they still claim he does. I don't know anyone who supports violence who support Trump. Do you know anyone on the Left who supports violence? I've read and seen numerous people on the Left on the TV saying things that someone on our side would be put in jail for saying, but no violence promoted from our side.
Hey!!!! look over there!!! it's a squirrel!!!
Naw, false alarm.
Turns out it was just some loony Antifa supporter run amok.
Took him down.
All is well.
There appeared to be more of them than there were of any masked ANTIFA. So why not say the same about ANTIFA? That there are so few we shouldn't really be worried about them and we certainly shouldn't be painting every liberal and progressives with the masked ANTIFA caricature. Right?
You simply didn't pay attention.
I was asked if I supported either group.
And I answered, quite succinctly.
There you go!
It is open season on Trump supporters, and the media is only fomenting, encouraging, excusing, and hoping for more… The media are now openly calling Trump supporters “Nazis” and are blaming Trump for a mass murder he had nothing to do with. This, of course, is a form of harassment because it incites and justifies mob violence.
Here is the list, so far, and remember that if any one of these things happened to a Democrat, the media would use the story to blot out the sun for weeks. Remember how crazy the media went over a nobody rodeo clown who wore an Obama mask, a GOP staffer who criticized Obama’s daughters? And yet, hundreds of Trump supporters are harassed and brutalized and the media only dutifully report them, if at all. That is because the media are desperate to normalize and justify violence and harassment against Trump and his supporters.
And while the media openly encourage this violence against us, the media also campaign to disarm us, to take away our Second Amendment right to defend ourselves.
This list will be updated as needed. Back-filling it will be an ongoing project…
Here is a video channel dedicated to documenting the dozens and dozens of assaults against Trump supporters. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/07/05/rap-sheet-acts-of-media-approved-violence-and-harassment-against-trump-supporters/amp/
That's a lot of hate!!!
Poor baby. Couldn't happen to a bigger asshole.
So the real question is.. .why???
Why are so many in the media, even on Conservative sites like Fox news, so critical of Trump's performance in support of Putin?
'Treasonous' And 'Disgraceful': Critics Slam Trump's Performance At Putin Summit
Thankfully we have kids willing to stand up to fascism.
Hamas has the same flawed policy.
These folks are why I own a AR-15.
a good thing to have around
Since I now have a ranch, I thought it appropriate to have a ranch rifle.
Left-Wing Antifa Terrorists ‘Freaking Out’ over Proposed ‘Unmasking’ Law
Must be a phenomenon taking place outside of the Northeast, no signs of anyone freaking out here in New England. Me thinks the only place this may be transpiring is inside the noggins of some folks.
I say let them keep their masks... it makes the self-defense case bullet proof.
your honor, only criminals wear masks...
I was approached by men wearing masks who were clearly agitated, fearing for my life I took theirs.
~ case dismissed. ~
Holy crap you mean it's not OK to wear a mask during a protest you intend to commit violence at anymore?
Gawd, more pathetic deflection about a group nobody cares about except rightwing propaganda pushers. Unmask? Who gives zero f's? Everybody. Trying to make this group the same as white supremacy and race hate groups, there's a shocker.
Just a little curious as to how a seeded article on this particular topic is deflecting?
it would seem making comments about something OTHER than the article would be deflection?
Good points. Antifa rarely engages the actual few thousand KKK or neo Nazi groups. They target various conservative and tea party groups and call them fascist in order to rationalize committing terroristic acts of violence and hate speech on ordinary Americans.
Yep, I love trashing far right wing tea party groups. Ignorance should never be given a free pass.
In your mind, what makes a group far right wing?
I too am curious as to what his opinion is. There is noting far right about the Tea Party. They are clearly within the mainstream of conservative political thought.
To some, anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders are "far right wing extremists"!!
Not sure why people have a problem with this and try to justify violence. If they were attacking actual Nazis like in Charlottesville I could understand the lack of empathy at least. These people declare everyone who doesn't think like they do as Nazis though and think it justifies hitting them with bike locks and etc. That's a dangerous thing to support.
And yet we've seen several comments on this seed supporting Antifa's violence. Dangerous, indeed.
And I have been personally accused of being a fascist on this very seed.
As have I and quite a number of other NT members. It seems that the accusers either don't know what fascism really is or need to willfully ignore what it is, because acknowledgement wouldn't suit their radical left, fascistic, anti-American agenda. It seems to be a combination of both, because quite a number of people support Antifa's violent mission.
I’ve been called all of that and more. I’m now proud to be a deplorable and one of those intolerable bitter clingers holding on to 2A rights and to God.
Never accused you of being a Koch owned fascist but can't disagree with those who do.
No you just regularly call me Heartland Institute shill with no consequence at all for personal attack or name calling as I have nothing to do with them except that I like their work as well as Heritage and Federalist.
Just consider the source of those comments, and then laugh your ass off!
These White Supremacist, Antifa and any of those who do not condone the violence coming from these groups are the people who should take a close look at themselves, because the violence they support is the violence they will reap and in the end we all will suffer.
Sounds like they are afraid that if they have to show their faces they will be kicked out of their mothers basements and have to actually get a job and be a productive member of society.
This strikes me as being unconstitutionally vague and probably, overbroad as well. In particular, I don't know how a reasonable person would even define "oppresses" and these days almost anything could constitute intimidation, particularly when the Left keeps claiming that words=physical violence.
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Pretty sure a statement like that would be a CoC violation.
That would only be a skirting!
Funny how conservative people always cry for less government control yet cheer any proposed law that would put their foot down on people.
Protecting citizens from violent masked radicals isn't more "government control". It is the job of the govt to protect its citizens.
But, but, you all say that it should be states making laws, not the feds.
I am pointing out hypocrisy. Seems to be abundant.
In this case, since Antifa crosses state boundaries, it is well within the purview of the Federal government to pass laws regarding Antifa. Now, if Antifa was located in only California, then it would be up to California to pass laws regarding Antifa.
Before pointing out hypocrisy, look at the facts to make sure there is hypocrisy.
They cross international boundaries so they could be called a global terror network and treated exactly like ISIS and Al Qaeda. They deserve it. https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5018141/amp/ISIS-connection-anarchists-revealed-Ed-Klein-book.html https://stream.org/fbi-covering-up-antifa-isis-connected-cell-responsible-las-vegas-massacre/
What states allow masked criminals to beat and attack citizens? And considering that Antifa is blocking a speakers First Amnedment right most of the time that makes it a federal issue.
So go join up. You're not impressing anybody around here with your far right wing agenda.
what do you define far right as?
In some cases the law can be a Federal Law. Even some businesses say "No Hoodies Allowed".
Charlotte NC is wanting the RNC here for 2020. The DNC was here during 2012. It was the same sort in 2012 as it will be in 2020, a bunch of Left Wing Radicals.
I really don't want it here because these nuts love to destroy stuff and I know they'll be exceptionally eager to burn the town down or blow up something by 2020 and the Democratic Socialists will be cheering them on. They kind of got out of praying these days since the Radical Left took over their Party, so they just have 'Hope' something bad will happen.
But, if they pass some ordinances to prevent people from protesting with mask on maybe there won't be as many as there would be destroying everything in site. I wonder if George pays extra for every car you burn?
Before the 2012 DNC in Charlotte NC the mayor, who went on to become Secretary of Transportation for Obama passed some ordinances to remove the 'Occupy Wall Street' scum from city property and only allow them to protest at a distance of a couple thousand yards from the convention. They were going to have the convention at the Stadium, but didn't have enough people show up, so they had it in the little Convention Center instead.
Then you didn't see my 14 .
Interesting comments...
What I find most interesting is that white supremacists have gotten permits, marched and held rally's for decades - why is it suddenly seemingly such a new thing to some?
[enter scene] Obama is elected president, the cries of white supremacy numbers growing, websites getting more hits etc etc - yet the white supremacists were gathering and holding rally's during the Confederate flag conflict, and the eventual removal of the flag off of federal land... some protesters against supremacy showed up, but the rally ended and everyone went home, with no violence...
[enter scene] Trump is elected .. now the supremacists are emboldened? ...they have always been there, always been doing the same stuff - … but now they supposedly have a president on their side …………. so now it is different, now when they gather it is a threat that needs to be physically combatted? .. A stronger message would be sent if the protesters turned their backs as the supremacists walked by .. not engaging the group would burn them to the core .. the supremacists counts are protesters to stir things up...
I educated myself many years ago when the Aryan Nation / Brotherhood was in Hayden Lake ID - their belief system is f'd up in a major way .. yet it is their belief system - federal government eventually crush the organization through things like tax evasion etc. The group is now said to be 10k to 20k strong .. with the majority of said population in prison gangs... the KKK has even fewer members
I do not agree with the beliefs of white supremacy nor Antifa
- the kind of hate being spread just because 'we' cannot / do not agree all the time nor think the same lock step thoughts is off the charts … but does violence need to accompany the hate? I am guessing the answer is yes, based on the comments I have read - events are being shutdown due to threats of violence, other individuals rights are being trampled due to threat of violence .. is this somehow okay?
I am voting for Peace!
Warning: Long Drawn Out Post...or two...or maybe more.
Great comment. I will just quote this part right now. Your entire post triggered some family memories. I will focus mainly on one character who managed to survive life and death situations from both extreme opposite ends of the absolute uncompromising politically polarized spectrum.
I don't think many tossing around the various left/right catch phrases really know what is behind those catch phrases.
Using the quote as the basis this story will go in reverse chronological order starting with the nazis and finishing with the commies. Far right and far left both get their fair share.
So, I am also surprised that white supremacists and nazis getting permits for marches/ralleys etc. is news to some. Then again I had direct family involvement. Even as a young kid in the early-mid 60s walked up face to face, well maybe a shorter than face to face, with a nazi dressed in full regalia in front of a nazi office in Manhattan. My aunt, who had moved to the street, saw I was walking straight towards this guy. She caught up with me, took me by the hand and something like "get away from him".
She had married a Frenchman who had killed nazi officers with their own weapons during the war and prior to coming to America. She wasn't with nazis. Then there was that little thing about her Father, may Grandfather dealing with some nazis at his front door, several times. I'll get back to that later.
nazis in America. Yep. marching, ralleys, etc. in downtown NYC, including Madison Square Gardens and even small towns.
Any guess who that figure in the center of the stage is? BTW, nazis from the fatherland were part of the organizing body and presentation.
nazis, there it is, right there. It can happen again tomorrow.
Here is an interesting scene:
That is right here at Madison Sq Garden.
Quick side note about my Grandfather with more detail provided later. He escaped Russia after coming home from school one day and finding everyone of his extended family member brutally murder and about to be killed himself. He was born in 1904 and the revolution was in 1917, so at max he was 12 years old. Pretty sure he would be called a child today at that age.
As part of his escape from Russia he took a German last name. Yes, he was fluent in several languages. That was common back then
So, whenever nazis from the fatherland would come to America for some event, they would also try to recruit German Americans. They would look up peoples names, knock on their doors give a spiel. My Grandfather chased them off.
One day this nazi visitors from the fatherland tried the heavy handed approach. After their sales pitch they threatened my Grandfather and his family.
Well, my Grandfather had a distinct memory in his head of what threats like that turned into. A lot of time had passed since leaving Russia and a lot of dead people were left in his path on his journey back home to PA, which took considerable time.
Needless to say, Grampop was well past taking this kind of crap from anyone. Turned out to be a fateful day for a couple of those idiots. Fortunately my family was fine.
We know what happened with those nazis in the fatherland. Italy and Spain saw ends to their own fascists rulers as well.
It can happen again.
Then again, the far left has bloody hands too. Arguably covered in more blood.
End of Part 1.
Apologies up front for what I assume a fair share of typos and grammar errors.
Part 2
Early part of the 20th century a bright kid seems a candidate for Heidelberg Engineering School in Germany. There happens to be a prep school for Heidelberg near where his family originated in Russia, His parents had come to America in the 1890s. So, off he went to live with family while attending school.
Along the way, he became fascinated with how the cook prepared meals and asked if he could help in exchange for learning. So he volunteered as the cooks helper whenever he could.
Things are going along just fine in his world and then he started coming across scenes like these:
To be honest, top image reminds me of antifa.
Then one day after the peoples revolution a fella named Lenin stepped in.
That 12 ~ 13 year old kid had an interesting return home from school one day. Everybody except the cook and maid were dead. Slaughtered dead along with thousands+ more.
Destabilize society and things like this become acceptable:
Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation.
I haven't verified the 100 million dead by communism, however 20 million dead by stalin and 50 million by mao are well accepted numbers. We know there were many other revolutions.
By claiming my Grandfather as his son, the cook saved his life. Having callouses on his hands by working as the cooks helper sealed the deal for saving his life. The cook got him out of the country on a cattle car sharing it with cattle. A bag filled with food was about all he had. Once out of Russia he took a job on a merchant ship, destination South America. Entirely new story across a few years.
There, we have 2 clear cut examples of what the far right really is and what the far left really are.
What do they both have in common?
1. Not open to any compromise.
2. Guided by ideology only.
3. Only support a cause if there in some selfish gain to be had.
4. They are both blood thirsty. Both.
We are at the point where 1, 2 & 3 above are the defining signs of our 2 major political parties. Number 4 may not be faraway if we are unable to disengage from 1, 2 and 3
JMO
Thank you Dave. That's it in a nutshell. During the meantime both sides promise you peace and freedom, but it turns out to be a deceitful promise that may seem to materialize for a very short time and then reality sets in, but there's nothing you can do about it at that point.
That pretty much sums up my opinion.
Thank you.
Good morning dave .. I was not able to get back to my computer yesterday..
Thank you for the information and strong points that you have made .. history is rife with conflict, control, extermination all in the name of politics and power .. a friend always said that "ideology spoils the view" … 'we' never seem to learn...
Sorry, I missed this earlier.
I am in full agreement here as well.
Thank you.