Living in revolutionary times
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Unlike America’s Revolution, which the colonists fought to restore God-given rights usurped by King George III, the French Revolution ushered in the false religion of socialism, grounded in atheism.
Over the weekend, in addition to being in the World Cup soccer final against tiny Croatia , France got to celebrate Bastille Day, which commemorates the July 14, 1789, storming of the infamous Paris prison.
It’s fair to say the soccer match was worthier of feting. The Bastille takeover sparked the French Revolutionaries’ overthrow of the royal aristocracy and the onset of the Reign of Terror.
France’s revolutionaries began by beheading as many people as possible, including colleagues not deemed sufficiently revolutionary.
Unlike America’s Revolution, which the colonists fought to restore God-given rights usurped by King George III, the French Revolution ushered in the false religion of socialism, grounded in atheism.
If you compare the two over the past two centuries, it should be clear even to Bernie Sanders about which revolution has been more beneficial. Here’s a quick recap:
The French Revolution emboldened Karl Marx and other socialist thinkers, culminating in Vladimir Lenin’s communist takeover of Russia in 1917, followed by Adolf Hitler’s National Socialist Workers Party’s takeover of Germany in 1933.
In its 12 years, Nazi Germany plunged the world into a second World War and directly murdered 6 million Jews and 5 million others, including millions of Christians.
In its 74 years, the Soviet Union killed more than 20 million people and inspired other communist regimes, including China, to slay an estimated 80 million more people in pursuit of heaven on Earth without God. Socialism is even now destroying Venezuela and enslaving people from North Korea to Cuba.
America, on the other hand, has been a beacon of freedom and prosperity despite the stain of slavery that was overcome at huge cost. America’s Founders penned the world’s oldest and most copied Constitution, basing it on the premise that human rights come from God, not government.
Two more Judeo-Christian concepts animated America’s Founders: Created in the image of God, each person has a sacred right to life, but people are morally flawed from birth. Hence, government exists to protect human life, but government itself must be restrained lest any man or men acquire too much power. This was truly revolutionary, unlike the French experiment, which quickly devolved into tyranny leading to Napoleon’s ascent.
In the United States, political institutions (like the Senate) were borrowed from the Romans or Greeks, but the heart of America’s idea of limited government was explained by John Adams: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
America’s progressives insist today that they are the American Revolution’s true heirs, even though their pedigree is from Paris, not Philadelphia. They insist that they alone get to determine who can exercise the freedoms of speech, assembly, religion and even going about daily life without being harassed.
America’s ruling elites did not merely forget America’s heritage; they have deliberately suppressed it. They look enviously at Europe, whose abandonment of Christianity and acceptance of mass migration has brought that continent to the brink of a new authoritarianism. Try home schooling in Germany, for instance. Or speaking your mind in merry old England, which locks people up for failing to salute the rainbow flag or the crescent and star.
The same sort of mischief is percolating in America, held back only by the strength of American Christianity, which is why the left assaults it at every turn. Unchecked, the left’s revolutionaries will fundamentally transform America into a place where we must lie to survive.
As religion writer Lauren Markoe writes: “LGBT people of faith say there is much work to be done to extend the spirit of the law to the nation’s churches.” If that doesn’t chill you to the bone, you haven’t been paying attention to the fallout from the U.S. Supreme Court’s imposition of same-sex “marriage” or the court victories notched by transgender activists.
In the 1830s, French social critic Alexis de Tocqueville wrote that churches were the glue holding the new republic together. Many scholars now instead credit the secular Enlightenment and ignore the Great Revivals.
“The Enlightenment is working,” writes Harvard University Professor Steven Pinker. “Our ancestors replaced dogma, tradition and authority with reason, debate and institutions of truth seeking.” Never mind the Man from Nazareth who proclaimed, “the truth shall make you free.”
As Washington Post columnist Robert Samuelson wrote approvingly of Mr. Pinker, “The scientific method displaced superstition.” Which would have been news to Sir Isaac Newton or Francis S. Collins, who just led the completion of the Human Genome Project at the National Institutes of Health.
By now, back in the world of sports, we’ll know whether Croatia pulled off an upset for the ages. Or whether the French have seen to it that this Eastern Europe soccer revolution has gone far enough.
May the best team have won.
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America, on the other hand, has been a beacon of freedom and prosperity despite the stain of slavery that was overcome at huge cost. America’s Founders penned the world’s oldest and most copied Constitution, basing it on the premise that human rights come from God, not government.
Two more Judeo-Christian concepts animated America’s Founders: Created in the image of God, each person has a sacred right to life, but people are morally flawed from birth. Hence, government exists to protect human life, but government itself must be restrained lest any man or men acquire too much power. This was truly revolutionary, unlike the French experiment, which quickly devolved into tyranny leading to Napoleon’s ascent.
In the United States, political institutions (like the Senate) were borrowed from the Romans or Greeks, but the heart of America’s idea of limited government was explained by John Adams: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
America’s progressives insist today that they are the American Revolution’s true heirs, even though their pedigree is from Paris, not Philadelphia. They insist that they alone get to determine who can exercise the freedoms of speech, assembly, religion and even going about daily life without being harassed.
America’s ruling elites did not merely forget America’s heritage; they have deliberately suppressed it. They look enviously at Europe, whose abandonment of Christianity and acceptance of mass migration has brought that continent to the brink of a new authoritarianism. Try home schooling in Germany, for instance. Or speaking your mind in merry old England, which locks people up for failing to salute the rainbow flag or the crescent and star.
The same sort of mischief is percolating in America, held back only by the strength of American Christianity, which is why the left assaults it at every turn. Unchecked, the left’s revolutionaries will fundamentally transform America into a place where we must lie to survive.
A little hot tar, some feathers, once around the town square, then off to decorate some trees surrounding the town dump while their churches burn to the ground.
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The contrast between Philadelphia and Paris could not be more clear. Restoration of God given rights to a moral and just people created equal in his sight vs a God denying mob pushing progressive “reason” with execution for those not willing to comply.
The French Revolution shows what a miracle ours was. Our founders deserve all the credit in the world for avoiding that path.
Sweet Jeebus....nowhere in our founding documents do we declare ourselves a "moral and just people." The founders were largely men of the Enlightenment who were all too well aware of how immoral and unjust people could be. The Constitution should be seen as evidence of that awareness since it tried, however short of perfection, to put safeguards against the immorality and injustice they knew existed in all men. Even then, the evil of slavery was a major topic of immorality and injustice. It is to their everlasting shame that that malicious, immoral and unjust institution was allowed to continue to flourish in a country founded on the principles of the Declaration of Independence.
i saw this the other day, thought it was pretty funny.
the Robespierres are always surprised they end up on the chopping block
That is a very good link. Recommended for all who discuss issues in news talk and social media sites.
Point of clarification: What exactly is "American Christianity" and is it wholesome and non-threatening?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/what-it-means-to-be-a-christian-in-america-today-97981
I have your link before me. I will come back on it later. . . .
Having read the link, I'm unable to correlate the idea of White Evangelical Christians/American Democracy to anything Christ revealed in the New Testament.
The "well done, good and faithful servant" has absolutely nothing to do with American democracy, conservatism, liberalism, etc. Individuals create the body of Christ...nothing more, nothing less. Most disturbing, to me, is watching American Christians determine what they deem acceptable behaviors, relationships and methods of worship. The continual wringing of 'woe are we' Christian hands speaks to self-righteousness not the humility we are called to.
I often wonder, given the number on NT who profess to be Christian, how many prayed daily for the success of O'bama. One can surmise, given comments, not many. Personally I detest the character of our current President and am ideologically a polar opposite, yet remember him in prayer for his success as President is directly tied to the success of my country.
Powerful comment. And, I thank you for jarring my memory to go back and comment on this!
What an insult to Jesus Messiah's message of love, peace, and salvation. A Christian organization dishonors its own stated creeds when it rips its own 'throat' out and becomes merely a "Christianities," a form, a fashion, without true substance. Clouds without spiritual rain forthcoming.
This coded language, this fake attempt at an air of highbrow intellectualism in furtherance of divisive efforts, falls heavily and crashes at the foot of the one and only Cross of Calvary.
President Donald Trump is not your faithless 'servant,' NIMROD in the modern era. You have connected yourself to one who may be your undoing. A mere unwashed and unclean hooligan. How can he grant your 'deliverance' to a higher order? The Lord rebuke you, Satan! For casting aside your first love and estate to go after idols of 'blood and soil.'
As in past eras, such a Church as this will discover it is on the wrong side. It has not chosen 'the good part.' It is a church the Lord does not know. Psalm 50 NIV
1 6 But to the wicked person, God says:
“What right have you to recite my laws
or take my covenant on your lips?
17 You hate my instruction
and cast my words behind you.
18 When you see a thief, you join with him;
you throw in your lot with adulterers.
19 You use your mouth for evil
and harness your tongue to deceit.
20 You sit and testify against your brother
and slander your own mother’s son.
21 When you did these things and I kept silent,
you thought I was exactly c like you.
But I now arraign you
and set my accusations before you.
22 “Consider this, you who forget God,
or I will tear you to pieces, with no one to rescue you:
23 Those who sacrifice thank offerings honor me,
and to the blameless d I will show my salvation.”
I prayed daily for the success and well being of every President and Congress of my life time. It is what is expected of us all as Christians.
Bullshit
Are you calling me a liar?
No need to with such a well documented history of seeds and comments that provide enough concrete proof here. The next American revolution will most likely deal a permanent solution to those that fail to comprehend the secular dominance of the Constitution versus a continuously revised book of religious fairy tales. Good luck flagging my answer to your question this time, since I included an on topic response.
Nothing makes that sort more hostile and defensive than to quote the exact words of Jesus* to them.
* based on the book they claim to be holy writ.
We’re glad that God has given you a heart to pray for our President, members of Congress, the Senate and other elected officials. This is a fundamental privilege and calling we have as Christians. The Apostle Paul linked these prayers to the peace of a nation: “that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness” (v. 2).
But there’s something more. Paul followed this with an insight into God’s underlying work throughout all history: “This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth” (vv. 3–4). https://lp.billygraham.org/pray-for-our-leaders/
The president recently asked for prayer as he faces the complex and dangerous challenges of leading our country in such tumultuous times.
His request was a pointed reminder to me that I should be praying for our president and our leaders every day—not to get something from them—but simply in obedience to the Scriptures. I personally haven’t prayed the way I should, and I’m sure that’s the case for some of you as well.
We know from Scripture that God can turn the hearts of kings (Proverbs 21:1). That means that we should be praying for God’s will to be done and for our leaders to seek God and listen to Him. We should pray that they would be surrounded by godly counsel and, most important, that our leadership would personally know God and the salvation found through faith in Jesus Christ alone.
Think about all of the issues before our president and the leaders of our nation at this moment. Ebola is not only a huge problem for Western Africa, but it could be a major problem for this country. Our broken borders are a major challenge. In addition to all of the other concerns, they can provide terrorists easy access.
ISIS is brutally murdering Christians in Syria and Iraq, and other jihadists are killing Christians in Iran and other parts of the Muslim world. Believers are being threatened, villages are being burned, and churches pulled down.
Ukraine is in peril as Russia seems to want to rebuild its former Soviet empire there. China is spending huge amounts on its military and beginning to flex its muscles in the Pacific, threatening its neighbors including Vietnam and the Philippines. North Korea has nuclear weapons, Iran may be on the verge, and the threat of terrorists gaining access to nuclear bombs is very real.
Should we not be diligently praying that God would give our president, Congress and military leaders wisdom? Our senators and governors and council members need our prayers—even if they are not the candidates we voted for.
Interceding for those in authority is not an option. It is a biblical command that we are to obey. https://billygraham.org/decision-magazine/october-2014/praying-for-our-leaders/
He was saying.....
Are you suggesting that God doesn’t have the power to forgive and accept Donald Trump and to use him as a person to carry out His will for our country at this time? Are you denying that since he’s been in contact with all these ministers and religious leaders the last 3 years that God could have used them to affect change in him?
Death wishing about 1/4 of America’s population noticed. I know enough history to know what socialist group spoke of and engaged in final solutions. It’s certainly not part of American political culture. My claim still stands that I have been taught since I was young and have prayed all along for our national, state, local leaders regardless of party or who I voted for. I was at the final decision California event here with Franklin Graham and he led us in prayer for our governor, his administration, and the legislature in addition to our national leaders.
I death wished nobody, but thanks for providing yet another statement that defies credibility.
I do not know President Donald Trump's heart or how his interactions with the Christian-Right is establishing impactful good in him. All I can view is that man's example . All I can comment on is for us as believers:
18 When you see a thief, you join with him;
you throw in your lot with adulterers.
19 You use your mouth for evil
and harness your tongue to deceit.
20 You sit and testify against your brother
and slander your own mother’s son.
21 When you did these things and I kept silent,
you thought I was exactly like you.
But I now arraign you
and set my accusations before you.
22 “Consider this, you who forget God,
or I will tear you to pieces, with no one to rescue you:
Be confident in our own hearts, that we understand the meanings behind our 'acts.' Keep a sound conscience. Marantha!
Most of the attacks on our president are against his character and demeanor. And sad to say many of the letters and opinions to The Sentinel have been of the same content against Trump. Do we not long remember some of these same writers saying "judge not lest ye be judged" or "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?
Most likely the many of us that approve of Trump measure him by his leadership and accomplishments.
The "new normal" is record employment. Wages are increasing. Trump has given us a "chicken in every pot" or if you please, a vegetable gourmet on every plate. Many years after Congress approved, he has moved the American embassy to Jerusalem. He is making every attempt to keep America out of the "new world order" or from being a part of a one-world government being ruled by man. Trump has the support of Christians because he recognizes that God has authority over all the nations. He is fighting against the "abortion beast," which has taken the lives of millions of babies. Oh America, will we not be fiercely judged by God?
Christians are being attacked over the truths of the Bible; sadly, by LGBTQ activists who are denying both God and science. God has made us male and female, man or woman. Early in the mother's womb we are already boy or girl. President Trump is strongly defending the First Amendment, religious freedom.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.hollandsentinel.com/news/20180525/letter-judge-not-trump-lest-ye-be-judged%3ftemplate=ampart
Well that’s what permanent final solutions usually mean and sadly lead to.
President Trump is a compulsive and habitual liar. BE HONEST. When have you ever placed all your hopes, dreams, and lifestyle into the hands of a compulsive and habitual liar. Tell the truth and shame the Devil. Lest we forget, President Trump has control over our nuclear weapons and codes! Being inconsistent and unstable in his statements and actions today foreshadows a man who could lie to you and us about his private rationale for not launching WMDs should that unfortunate day of days ever arrive. Where will this nation's status and position be and what would be its worth then?
We all have to have confidence in our leaders' sense of personal integrity and soundness. Not just one side.
In addition, the 'Book' goes on to state, 'Judge righteously.' It is not enough that a President elected by a narrow percentage of voters, plays to his base only, and demonstrates animosity and disinterest to the rest of this nation's community. If someone is hurting you and yours, you have every right to be unhappy and to do something constructive about that harm. In this country, that something takes the form of public protest.
Are you judging righteously? Or, do you expect to have your lifestyle placed higher above others deserving equal placement? Keep this in the forefront of your mind: Not everybody in this country expects to live as you and I, as believers. You and I have no claim on their lives and living such that we should fight to "box" them into a Christian experience! it is not what Jesus Messiah desires! Emphatically. Spirit seeks the willing, not the compelled.
Stop attacking each other. Learn to 'abide' each other for the good of the land. Study peace and quiet. As for my part, I support peace and diversity for all who serve our common good!
As Christians, we are to remember the times and places in our world when we did not have peace and quiet of our own to serve God.
I can thank President Donald Trump for all the good he does for this nation, for surely good improves life. However, we must test "the whole loaf," that is this man. For surely what the right hand giveth - the left hand can take away. Remember: Not all money is good money! We must fight all attempts at allowing avarice to deceive us into shutting our eyes to the whole man or woman who speaks to the world on our behalf. This nation's drive to solutions is a marathon - not a sprint. Expediency in government policy will backfire—dangerously.
I wrote permanent, not final, and not a combination of the words.
As if some outcome that is permanent isn’t also a final outcome?
Since we are both Christians we can likely agree that it is wholesome and non threatening.
What is wholesome about dividing people? Creating societal outcasts? What is Christian about forgetting that Jesus-Messiah can save anybody Spirit chooses? That no-one meant to stand in the presence of God shall be lost? That, it is impossible for God to fail? Why do some in the body of Christ strive so with the world?
Heartland American? Come: Let's talk about what the Lord loves.
Who says that we’re the ones doing the dividing?
No one has to say it, it's blatantly obvious.
Rephrase: Are conservative Christians not dividing people? Is the Christian-Right doing its best to bring the citizens of this country together? Please elaborate.
This seed is a comparison of the American and French Revolutions and the role of God among the leaders of each? Why try to make more of it than that?
Your article has shades of religion, faith, Christianity, God, permeating throughout it. And, why deny it?
Obviously. It’s a comparison between a revolution counting on divine providence and one that denied God altogether. What did you expect the article to be like from your perspective as an American looking back at the two revolutions?
There's nothing more enjoyable than watching real Christians take apart a phony one.
So now it’s ok to call a member out as being a phony Christian? Just wow.
Grounded in Christianity is more like it. Jesus was a socialist in every sense, and a total bleeding heart liberal.
The French Revolution was not in any way grounded in Jesus or Christianity.
Neither were the 1500 years before that of slaughtering by so-called Chrisitians--of each other as well as Jews or Muslims. Nor was the grinding poverty and injustice of the social system created by these "Christians" in order to enrich and glorify themselves while the vast majority of people suffered in squalor and penury. There wasn't a thing Christ-like about any of it.
No there wasn’t and that’s why we had the Protestant Refomation and Renaissance. Even through all the darkest hours of the dark ages there were always some who clung to and preserved the pre Constantine church through to the reformation. It was ironically that same post revolution France that wounded that entity for a time and led to the U.K. and USA originating churches taking the gospel to much of the world in their own languages with the great missionary and bible societies that rose up. Early to late 1800’s awakenings and revivals were a great thing.
It's hilarious that you think protestantism did anything but pile on more slaughter.* And the Renaissance had zero to do with the Reformation. If anything the Reformation was a reaction against all the things Italian not just the papacy. That ignorance displayed in the comment is abysmal.
*See Thirty Years War
The entity fought to maintain control and violently opposed not being all of the Christian Church as it had been for a 1000 years other than the schism with their eastern church. Fortunately by the time the Turks had been pushed back the Protestants were able to grow stronger while Rome was preoccupied elsewhere. And that the Spanish Armada was smashed to bits by God, the weather, and the modest English Navy was a good thing too.
So be it. The Socialists are in no way promoting the teachings of Jesus. Atheism is one of their hall marks and Christianity is a roadblock they have to eliminate.
That is the bottom line. Socialist State atheism is the arch foe of Christianity and free market capitalism.
Too bad most born again scum think that non-born again are atheists.
And you know what born again people think because? What’s with the perjorative name calling?
Total and utter bull shit. That is not what any liberals, progressives or Democrats want. The vast majority of liberals, progressives and Democrats are Christian and they also vigorously support our nations unique blend of capitalism and socialism which doesn't resemble any other socialist State that has ever existed. It is what has made us the envy of the world over the last 80 years. I like the fact that my grandmother and now mother are able to receive social security benefits and I can feel comfortable knowing they have Medicare. I also love our local police and fire departments who will come to any house where they are called, I love the military that fights to protect our nation from foreign adversaries like Russia, North Korea, Syria, Iran and any other despot nation bent on destroying western democracy. I love that I have access to water, power and sewer utilities that are government backed. But I still wouldn't call myself a "socialist" because I don't want everything controlled and run by the government, I appreciate the free hand of the market for all non-essentials, supply and demand works well for nearly all other sales and service. So I've invented a new word to combine "socialism" and "capitalism", it's called "sensibalism" and frankly, it's just sensible. Socialism for the "needs" and capitalism for the "wants". I "need" my grandmother to be able to have health insurance that doesn't bankrupt her and her family. I "want" to get her a $200 massage and spa day but due to supply and demand it's pretty pricey so that'll have to wait. See, sensible. Sensibalism.
And notice I didn't mention anything about religion? That's because it's sensible to let people worship how they wish, that is a personal matter be they atheist, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Wiccan or whatever faith or non-faith you might be, they are ALL equal and should be treated as such.
EMPHATICALLY!
Moreover, even in our capitalist appetites we pool our monies together into paid collectives (risk pools), so as to disburse cost and catastrophic events across a wider group of players. That is insurance. We pool our foodstuffs together in stores and on shelves, and we trust in a government collective to keep it safe for consumption. We pool our doctors and healthcare professionals into networks. Even the stock market is a collective. In addition, the church or any organization is a collective. Our communities are collectives! Even the sheer number of homeless folks are compelled to 'band' into 'working' groups!
Past comments that imply a caste system within xtianity that puts born again scum at the top of the bible thumper shit pile.
Socialism is closer to those teachings than 90% of Christians today practice or preach. You might want to read the Gospels instead of the crap that snake-oil peddling bible-thumping screechers are spewing.
Count me an atheist who very much admires the teachings of Jesus (whether he existed as one or more persons or not). The teachings are wonderful. It would be nice if more of the people who make so much public noise about being Christian promoted them, too. On this forum, at least, and to a large extent all across the land, the people who declaim this the loudest promote them the least--but Jesus knew all about those types as well. Like fleas, they've always pestered mankind.
yes
"Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord' and not do what I say?" Luke 6:46
“Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven." Matthew 6:1
You can see the mob mentality of the French revolution echoed in the crazed cries of treason, without any regard for the legal requirements, from so many in today's left wing movement. Perusing the comments in the daily Trump hate seeds bring to mind this description of the French version of "liberty":
"By the autumn of 1793 France's new rulers had resorted to show trials to send batches of officials to the guillotine every few weeks. The Revolutionary Tribunal was given the power to limit trials by asking jurors if their consciences had become "sufficiently enlightened" to pass death sentences before they knew all the facts. Soon defense witnesses were done away with altogether, a move quickly followed by a law — described by Schama as "the founding charter of totalitarian justice" — that abolished defense lawyers. By July 1794 "justice" had been so speeded up that the tribunal could pass 900 death sentences in a single month."
It's respect for the rule of law that separates the American from the French revolutions, and the mob mentality of today's left shows what a fine line it is that separates them. One need only look at social justice warriors on twitter to see the mindset of the mob cheering for the guillotining of perceived dissenters.
What an interesting perspective for a song, and the beauty of the melody, and oh the harmony. It is a perfect selection, Greg. It does something else to me to: It makes me wonder in a civil war, even as 'combatants' face off, do they really hate one another? Or, is there sorrow in what they have set themselves to do to each other? Solemn Pondering.
In our civil war it almost always the latter.
Alas! Why is it so hard for a diverse nation to get on one accord as a nation living up to its lofty creeds of justice, prosperity, and equality? This time, if we pull it all down to the level of war, the noise of sorrow will be without equal. The opposing 'sides' are capable of intellect and means to force mutually assured destruction on themselves.
If we grow too far apart: Our perennial enemies (physical, cultural, and spiritually-wicked) will not give us space this time around to come back together. Enemies are already actively provoking us to tear this union apart!
There is a line in the movie, Arrival (2016 Director: Denis Villeneuve) . . . . I could ask questions of our nation:
1. If you could see the history of this country laid out in front of you - would you change things?
2. If so, which social group or groups would you erase completely from the fabric of this country?
3. Which social group has failed to help make this country great?
Arrival
Mr. Heartland. Very touching. Ah yes, the poignant purity of modern day American christianity and all that preceded it.
Let us not mention the Native Americans. Or the Blacks brought here on slave ships. And of course the Chinese brought here for labor. The Crusades---forget them too. No Witch burnings either, huh? The Saturday night Lynching's followed by the Sunday morning sermons to explain it all.
In all truth it is conservatism that brought all of this and liberalism that does the dirty work to end it.
Your seed is right wing propaganda. Goebbels smiles his approval from his grave in hell.
I’m sure that The Stream and The Washington Times are just a bit too hard on the secular progressive readers here. They are however, right on.
'secular progressives' as the opposite of 'theocratic autocracy'?
Almost no one wants a theocratic autocracy or anything like that so go take the rhetorical excess elsewhere.
Your statement is not true. Dobson Prayer Breakfasts.
He doesn’t want a theocracy nor an autocracy. Next allegation?
Not an allegation.
Glad you can read his every thought, even from way out in the 'state of Jefferson' in Calif.
I didn’t make the statement. I expect to see hard proof of such an allegation. Until I see proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that Dr. Dobson wants to set up a theocratic autocracy I’ll simply assume it to be a flat out unsubstantiated comment delivered with malice afore thought
How are those taxes coming way out in coastal urban Californication way?
Yes it is. Based on a 1998 article in Barry Lynne’s religion hating AU’s publication Church and State. All allegation, no facts, and in 20 years none has come true.
And it never will. Satisfied?
Not likely. A degree of separation of church and state with neither able to control the other or use the power of the other is reasonable. AU just goes too far. They favor using government to coerce behavior in the area of religion.
They are not supposed to control each other.
State does the commerce, builds the infrastructure, secures the society and fights the wars.
Church. Takes the money and gives worshippers a reason to...…………...believe they're going to heaven and other stuff.
Exactly. The free excercise of religious beliefs means just that. It doesn’t mean that the state can compel you to act against your religious beliefs upon pain of loss of business, massive fines, or even jail time if one doesn’t comply.
Which "continuation" are you reading from? The US Constitution does not have a "for or against" phrase in the "establishment" clause of the first amendment. It's pretty damn clear:
The free-exercise clause is not a loophole for pushing religion into government. It's meant to prevent any one religion from establishing or declaring itself the de facto state religion, for example, Chrisitians deciding that Muslims are not to be tolerated in our society or that atheists should not be allowed to hold office.
I have no idea. I don't live in that part of CALIFORNIA.
Nice try in thinking you know where I live when you have no idea.
Ehh...I did not make that statement about Mr. Dobson. Do try to keep up.
Bullshit--as fact, not allegation.