The Children at the Trump Rallies === What is it like to see young people exposed to so much anger?
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One of the most poignant photos from that time was of a boy, dressed as a fledgling Trump, in the front row of a rally with his father in Grand Junction, Colo., just two weeks before the election. Together, they chanted, “Lock her up, lock her up!” The father beamed with pride. Vitriol sputtered from his son Jaden’s mouth.
As before, I was drawn to the children, but this time through the lens of 19 months of the Trump administration. The people in that arena supported the actions of a sitting president, not just the musings of a candidate. In that time, the anger I experienced on the trail had taken shape with real-world consequences. The chants of “Build the wall” in 2016 were realized in a haphazard zero-tolerance immigration policy that resulted in nearly 3,000 child separations in 2018.
That night, I photographed 10-year-old Gianna Musolino holding her father’s arm in the most tender and gentle embrace, her arms entwined around his, her head nestled in the soft bend of his elbow. There was no mistaking the comfort and protection she felt under his wing and the pride he felt in providing it.
I thought again about my son, as I have done so many times over these past few months, imagining with deep sadness what it would be like for him to be taken away from us and what it might do to him . How could any parent possibly support a president capable of this?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/03/opinion/trump-rally-maga.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
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You would have to be retarded to bring a little kid to a Trump rally.
Same applies to your side of the fence John.
When you talk about Trump there is no "same". Why are you supporting that asshole?
No First, it doesn't, Hillary and Bernie supporters are not angry half-wits. The false equivalency crap you guys constantly spew is really getting old.
Half wits just giving them to much credit, eh?
Okay, we'll go with no-wits.
Better now?
As time goes on, and trump's total unfitness for the job is completely evident, it may be time to consider those who continue to support Trump to be traitors. He is un-American and supporting him is un-American.
Wow. I can smell the bullshit in that post.
Don't care WHO he is John - he's the President of the United States - whether you or I like it a bit.
I strongly support the President of the United States - strongly.
No lenny - they are extremely angry no-wits 'cause they have no wits at'll.
He's not my president. The main characteristic of Donald Trump is that he is an insufferable asshole. It is written all over him with everything he says and all his mannerisms. I am an Irish kid from the tough parts of the south side of Chicago, and I was brought up to never ever admire an asshole.
I've heard about enough excuses from Trump supporters who want to paper over the mountainous flaws in this man's personality, and in his words and deeds.
That is your choice and I have my own choice not to do so.
You're absolutely right Tex, witless is more like it. Thanks buddy!
His deplorable base only admires that inflamed asshole because right now it's shitting on everything they hate and that makes them happy. What they don't realize is that assholes are unpredictable and it won't be long before it's shitting on them too. Already the tariffs are taking their toll on those farmers and manufacturing workers who voted for him.
I'm not surprised at all.
When did you emigrate?
There is substantial evidence to refute this statement.
Have you renounced your citizenship and emigrated?
If not...then yeah....he actually IS your president.
I'm not so sure about the Bernie supporters Lenny.
Feel free to share this with others that suffer from your condition.
Until he cowers before Putin and refuses to acknowledge Russian malfeasance in our elections. Putin obviously has leverage over Trump, why the hell would any patriotic American choose Russia over the USA? Because that is exactly what Trumpubs are doing. I must ask you to recall your support for Obama during his 8 years as president and how the gop and their supporters treated him. Is it coming back to you now?
It's a concern. Before you know it, Russia will annex the Crimea.
So, you admit to not being an American citizen, right?
Yeah - U. S. Citizens are like that, especially if they're PROUD to be U. S. Citizens.
And they've already 'annexed' Trump and his base and have successfully implemented Make Russia Great Again, with multiple wins already as the US is weaker internationally and nationally. Yep, Putin is pleased with his puppet.
Coming from you?? Nothing else was expected.
Hmmm, seems to me I remember a LOT of conservatives screaming "he's not MY President" when Obama was elected, along with some "clever" political wags who said "we won't work with this man."
I'm sure McConnell and his righteous crew would have loved to call him something besides a man, or at least add some descriptive words in there. It certainly expressed their respect to the man in office and the office itself.
Some people seem to have short and selective memories. Surprise, surprise.
Wow. Come up with that all by yourself?
You have no idea how I reacted to Obama as President.
I've seen your comments about him, so please feel free to tell us how you really feel if different. You do realize people are able to glean what you think by the things you say? If you aren't reflecting your truth, better figure out why the disconnect. But it is a fact that most Trump supporters were Obama haters, obstructors and birthers. Apologies if you really reacted differently than the rest of the republicans.
You see that is your problem. You support the man ignoring that it is the office that deserves our respect and support, not a man who belittles the office.
Pretty much what I said. Glad you see that.
"the President of the United States" is an office. Trump is the President. Obama was the President. Bush was the President. Clinton was the President. Bush was the President.
Get it?
Now, if I were to say "I support Donald Trump as President of the United States" - then you'd have a point.
I didn't - you don't.
I'd call that child abuse.
I wouldn't take kids to this
I can see your problem, you think trumpism is political, when it's actually a religion so of course you take your kids to church.
Child abuse...What kind of a monster would fill his kid's heart with hate like that?
What kind of a monster would fill his kid's heart with hate like that?
The parents wearing the white hoods have been doing it for decades.
You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.
You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.
You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!
Ask nearly any K-12, middle, high school, teacher or any professor at Berkeley.
Do you have a problem with empirical knowledge, critical thinking skills, and intelligence? Would you rather they pray about solving differential calculus and physics problems or should they ask a political donor what their preferred solution is?
A boy wants his father's approval. If a boy sees his father shouting vile hatred, then he will do the same... and soon that vile hatred is installed.
Despicable father!
I guess thy could be taken to parades and get an eye full on the left? Or perhaps a nice BLM riot where hatred towards police is taught?
So... for you... sexuality is leftist?
Wow.......
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Do you really completely confound your politics and your sexuality? Really?
Yikes!
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This is all off topic.
You're right. Sorry.
That poor little boy must be thinking "OMG! Is that what mine will end up looking like!?!"
Like this cop?
Seeder, I have challenged you many, many times to provide proof of any of your claims of your seeds, and you have always failed to do so. Here is another opportunity to this seed only.
Point out one part of this rally where there was anger. Not your anger because you don't like Trump, but anger coming from those at the rally that you disapprove of bringing children to.
Otherwise, it is proof that you hate this President for no other reason than he is not named Hillary.
It's an opinion piece.
I dislike Trump because he is an asshole. You are the one who has an opinion of him that is based on him not being Hillary, not me.
So what if he is an asshole? If that is the biggest thing you can think of to not like him, on top of your "he lies" forever mantra, then may I suggest you get out and see what is really going on in this world. Many millions of Americans think he is doing a great job leading this country and don't care that he is an asshole.
Like several posters said before me.....we feel for your health John. Being full of hate for one man, one man that takes up your whole being, is unhealthful. I sincerely hope you get well.
He's that, all right, but that's the least of what he is. He's a criminal and he employed criminal tactics during his campaign and he's committed crimes ever since trying to obstruct the investigation into the original crimes.
You might want to tell Mueller of your findings because, obviously, he hasn't seen it yet. Maybe your "crystal" ball is broken?
And of the two main competitors for the position can you say did not commit the same???
So some of don't like lying racist bully assholes who don't know squat about the job they got. And as someone who actually has lived outside this country and knows people across the world, most of the world agrees with me. As so a majority of Americans. My conscience and sense of righteousness won't allow me to pretend this behavior is ok and worth a political gain. And I do have to wonder what allows you to believe and support a person who literally lies multiple times per day, every single day about the most important issues and about the most inane things. Anything and everything. do I even need to bring up his cowardice with Putin? Treason no longer a problem for you either?
Did you see the pics in 4.1? Do they look like they're cheering at a basketball game?
trump and his 29% LOVE to hate, because to hate someone or something you have to be SUPERIOR to them or it. By hating everything and everyone they feel they are the superior elite, how cool can you get?
Without that hate they're NOTHING and they know it deep in their hearts. The only way they feel anything is by hating and screaming as a group it gives them the illusion that they are so much smarter and superior to all, but it lasts only as long as they're hating so they make stuff up to be angry over it doesn't have to have anything to do with reality.
And the fear. If you hate them, they must hate you back. ALL of them must be hating you back. What a life, hate and fear.
Soooo hate, scream, jump up and down, turn red, have a heart attack, HOLD ON TO THOSE OLD HATE VALUES, or else fade away like the ghosts of history they are, beings of no particular importance who never contributed anything good or special or even noteworthy.
Well Don't commit any crimes and I'm sure the dumbass snowflake who wrote this opinion article won't get his child ripped from his arms.
The only thing worse would be any left wing demonstration, where’s there more anger and more crazy. Plus they smell.
I do not buy it, I see no anger .. staged photo or taken out of context - no one visible in the photo is chanting lock her up. The boys face reminds me of a friend of my oldest son .. his face is very animated .. bet the boy in this photo can do a great pirate face!
Would you take a 10 year old to a Trump rally?
Yes. Why not? People take kids to political rallies all the time.
Donald Trump is a pathological liar who is mentally disturbed. This is barely even in doubt any more. You would actually take kids to this bizarre spectacle?
Lol. Hillary was a pathological liar too. Mrs "public and private position" is just in a more presentable package. Is that the issue? You want trump to lie nicer? Instead of being so brash you want him to call half of all democrats deplorables?
Democrats don't have an issue as big as they make it with Trump. They are just mad it isn't their pathological liar in place.
No one, not even her far right enemies, ever cataloged 6000 lies by Hillary Clinton. Claiming an equivalency between Trump and Clinton in terms of their lying is nothing but right wing bamboozling and gaslighting. Nothing compares to trump's level of lying. Nothing.
Your posts are a good substitute for sleep aid pills.
So now you want to move the goal post to how much lying? Liar is a liar. She knowingly lies as well. "They attacked because of a video!"...
Again. Let's be honest. People are just mad their liar isn't in office. I don't recall many upset over Obamas lies.
I personally would not, because I myself would not be attending … yet I see no reason not to if that is what others choose to do, not for me to judge how other raise their children.
I have been around more than a couple 10 year old boys, unless they are raised in a convent setting - no TV, games. no computer and no friends from the outside world .. they have already been exposed to anger, lies .. etcetera, as a part of daily life (sad really)
I would. It is healthy to get young Americans involved in how this country elects leaders.
If the next democrat nominee adapts the same tactic as Trump did and does, would you take that same 10 year old to the democrat's rally?
I hate to say this, but I think you would have no problem doing it.
Hillary isn't the POTUS, trump is...
Hillary lies ~38% of the time, trump lies well over 80% of the time. When it comes to lying? Hillary is an amateur compared to trump.
That is your opinion of what he said...nothing more. It is also more than 2 years oldm BEFORE Trump was elected.
Now, how do you spin this.....
This is only a few of the more than 500 threats/attacks from the left against the right SINCE Trump was elected.
I'm sure you think of these as "standing up to the meanie" instead of violent acts of violence.
Was Hillary credibly accused of 19 sexual assaults? Has she admitted on tape when she sees a man she's attracted to she "doesn't even wait" and just grabs them by the dick? No? Well I guess you're comparing apples to orangutans then.
That's because that number would just scratch the surface...and we don't count them because it would take too long! I don't know about you, but I don't have YEARS to spend going through all the news reports, interviews, and public statements to count hem all. And that is just the PROVEN ones, not the allegations!
No, only one against a child that I know of. Her forte' appears to be burying them for her husband...and probably herself too!
I said "credibly" accused, not whack-a-doodle Cathy "I was mind controlled by the CIA" O'brien accused.
"According to O'Brien, under hypnosis she was able to recall memories of sexual abuse — of both herself and her daughter — by international pedophile rings, drug barons, and satanists, who allegedly used a form of "trauma based mind control programming" to make her a sex slave".
"According to scholars, there is no credible evidence for O'Brien's claims and there are numerous inconsistencies with her story."
I think I'll stick with believing scholars to believing an attention seeking nut job claiming hidden memories under hypnosis who has zero evidence of any of her claims.
In case you've forgoten here is the list of credible Trump accusers:
Jessica Leeds “He was like an octopus … His hands were everywhere.”
Jill Harth “He pushed me up against the wall, and had his hands all over me and tried to get up my dress again.”
Kristen Anderson "He did touch my vagina through my underwear."
Lisa Boyne “[Trump] stuck his head right underneath their skirts.”
Cathy Heller “He took my hand, and grabbed me, and went for the lips.”
Temple Taggart “He kissed me directly on the lips."
Mariah Billado (teen at time of incident in dressing room with girls as young as 15 undressing) "I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, 'Oh my God, there’s a man in here."
Karena Virginia "Then his hand touched the right side of my breast. I was in shock."
Bridget Sullivan
Tasha Dixon
Melinda Mcgillivray
Jennifer Murphy
Rachel Crooks
Natasha Stoynoff
Ninni Laaksonen
Jessica Drake
Samantha Holvey
Summer Zervos
Cassandra Searle
stopped posting their quotes since I ran out of time there were so many.
How is that an opinion of what he said? That makes no sense at all. It's on fucking video, he said what he said, it's not an "opinion"..
Here, you need this...
The same reason you take a 10-year-old girl to a "women's march" to protest democracy. The same reason you attempt to "occupy" Wall Street or anything else. The same reason you show up to start a fight over a statue that's about to be taken down anyway. The same reason you blockade an interstate highway attempting to deny the Constitutional rights of your fellow Americans. The same reason you tell everybody "Black Lives Matter", when you clearly don't give a shit about them
Bad judgment.
What evidence do you have that any of them are lying? Did any of them claim the CIA abducted them and mid control raped them? Do any of them have histories of being liars? Or is it just that you can't imagine your hero Trump doing exactly what he admitted to on tape and "doesn't even wait" for consent before he just grabs women he finds attractive by their genitals? As you know, opinions are like assholes, everyone got one, and your opinion about his accusers happens to be especially stinky. I could see sticking your head in the sand for one or two, maybe even three accusers who have nothing to gain and everything to lose by making the accusation, but 19? You have to do some serious mental gymnastics (or not care about sexual assault of women) to get past all 19 of them.
I did, open the link.
I'm sure those kids at the Rump's 'rallies' just love seeing those folks give the media the finger - those 'fake news' mongers. I'm sure they love to hear the death threats to the reporters.
Oh, please give us that link. Which you can't, because that is a LIE. As is the Hillary accusation. LIES. NOBODY LIES AS MUCH AS TRUMP, so give it the fuck up. He wins the Biggest Liar award.
About things he lied about? What about when he denied that the NSA was collecting texts, phone calls, etc on American citizens? Then Snowden revealed everything you do is collected? Then he just kept expanding the NSA a surveillance
he also denied doing the same thing to allies around the world and we found out we spied on all our allies leaders. Although that one doesn't bother me. I would expect we have spy's and surveillance in every country
and are you seriously denying Hillary was caught in lies? Mrs "personal and private opinion"? Lmao. I already pointed out one where she lied about the Benghazi attack being because of that dumb Moohammed video. The Wikileaks clearly showed she knew day one it had nothing to do with it. She told CC in email
Read what I wrote. Nobody lies like Trump. This is not normal, this is not acceptable. He literally lies about things we've just witnessed, let alone about things that can be proven as lies immediately. If you don't see a difference, that's a problem.
Ahhhh you're just soooo clever, you know EXACTLY what everyone else thinks. You shoulda been a shoe salesman, you'd know what everyone would want which is the same shoe YOU want.
Get a grip and watch some REAL news for a while, there's been no protest marches, no violence, nobody even talking loud because Clinton wasn't what the Russians wanted.
Too bad too, I'm sure you enjoy that story.
Hillary IS boring, absolutely, she totally lacks the charisma that her husband and President Obama had. Hillary is a lousy campaigner but would have made a good President. Trump is a great campaigner and we are all witnessing how he is as a president.
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Yeah, no such thing ever occurred here...
Yeah, we know that scholars and scientist can never be corrupted by Government don't we???
Just one example of many... Unfortunately, you don't want to believe that your "scientists" and " scholars " are corruptible.
No because its stupid. I don't even waste my own time going to political rallies or events, why would I waste a kid's?
This might be what the Left does best these days.
Those who support him love his hate, his racism, his misogyny, his ignorance, his bigotry.
Trump is the epiphany of the Trump supporter. He has set their true identities free and they scream and applaud him.
Yep, and at every rally, (aka, "I need people to stroke my pathetic ego" events), he just spits out the same rhetoric and his base goes wild. The wall, immigration, etc... same old BS.
Sounds like you're just making stuff up. If he was that bad, he couldn't have gotten elected.
As I said, Trump is the epiphany of the average Trump supporter. Look in the mirror and then look at him. As far as what "that bad" means. I guess we will agree that it's subjective.
My definition of "that bad" is being racist, misogynistic, bigoted, a liar, a cheater in business, having extra marital affairs, multi marriages, grabbing pussies, having creepy feelings towards your daughter, making fun of disabled people, using your charity foundation to pay for your lifestyle, using your position as President to profit, sowing discord between American citizens......
Apparently none of these things are "that bad" to you.
So, we've circled back to Trump is a representative of who his supporters are and who his supporters WANT to be.
I would probably consider this a sweeping generalization since you believe that EVERYBODY that voted for Trump is what you describe, no matter the lack of proof you have.
Does that mean we can classify all Hillary voters as thieves, liars, panderers, non indicted felons, etc, no matter the proof?
Sounds like, to you, we can.
I don't care what you want to label Hilary Clinton supporters. I'm not one. If you think it's a sweeping generalization than flag it (if you haven't already).
Why be offended or upset if you are proud of how Mr. Trump is representing you and your issues.
Here are my issues..
I want a strong and secure border..Trump is doing that.
I want to decide where the money I earn goes..Trump is doing that with tax cuts
I want a strong leader that will stand up to other country leaders and get what is best for the US and the other country, not just the other country...Trump is doing that
I want a strong military that will be able to thwart any and all threats...Trump is doing that
This is a list of just a few of my issues. None of them have anything to do with racism, misogyny, hatred, or whatever label you want to put on me. Your sweeping generalizations only show that you have no idea who conservatives are, only what the media and far left groups you follow tell you.
You have been had...
Bugsy - I wish you much luck and I'm glad you're happy with how the President is representing you.
BTW...I am married to an Asian woman. My half Filipino son is married to a Japanese woman and they have two American/Filipino/Japanese kids. I guess you still believe that I am racist just because you think Trump is.
Really sad...
Nice veiled personal attack...but you knew that.
What the hell are you talking about?!! I was trying to end our conversation on a positive note with no hard feelings.
Wow - go away.
The last thing I want to be is mean to someone I've enjoyed past conversations with. I remember when you first joined here and I welcomed you. Looks like another on line relationship has been ruined.
Attack?? Trump represents all Americans, doesn't he? He's supposed to. He's the President! Why would you take that as an attack, especially since you actually support Trump?
OK, my apologies. You have been saying that Trump represents those with the same feelings as him, then went on to list a bunch of isms. That is how I took the "how he is representing you" comment.
I'm happy to end with a good note. Have a good evening.
Lenny...don't start. I apologized for misunderstanding. You don't need to chime in.
Very well put PJ.
I chimed before you apologized!
I'm not sorry for chiming though, you righties have a lot of nerve calling US snowflakes...
I will quote the biggest whiner on here, so don't be offended...
"The CoC does not allow me to respond the way I want to".
Me too. I'm glad we remain on good terms with each other. It will come in handy when we move on to our next argument.
Your first sentence I am good. Everything else I'm not bothering with.
Have a good night, Lenny.
Sorry to jump in here, just a few things I don't get.
Most of the so called illegals are people that have over stayed their visas, nothing to do with a border.
I don't know what to make of this. Tax cuts or not, we don't decide how the money is spent. The cuts were also disproportionately geared toward the wealthy.
How is he helping us in that respect? He is putting down our true allies, sucking up to putin, got nowhere with NK, after pulling out of the agreement with Iran basically ignores them. Now his tariffs are going to hurt US consumers.
I didn't know our military was weak before. All he has done is increase spending. After tax cuts and increased spending, I would say increased debt and deficits is more of a weakness than our military.
LOL!
Good one!
It has EVERYTHING to do with a border! It doesn't matter HOW you got here; swam, flew, hiked, or drove in. The bottom line is that there is indeed a Border between us and the rest of the world. Either you are here legally on THIS side of the Border; or you aren't! If you are--then you are here legally. If you aren't--then you are here ILLEGALLY! How hard is that to comprehend people???? Quit trying to split pubic hairs.
He didn't. He got electoraled. Nearly 11 million more voters picked anyone but Scumbag.
People who get visas to visit here should be tracked as to where they are residing, with random visits during their stay. This is part of having a secure border.
By having a tax cut, I have more money in my pocket to decide what I want to do with it. Just a hypothetical..If you were one of those wealthy, would you give a crap that you got more than someone else. My guess is no. The wealthy get back more because they make more.
None of what you say about our allies and foes are true, only opinion. Trump has managed to get 48 billion out of our allies, fr more than any of his predecessors...exactly 48 billion more. As far as Putin, that is your opinion. As far as NK, we just received 55 true heroes back to American soil, one of which has already been positively IDd....all without paying a dime. Again, something his predecessors have not been able to do.
The spending increase was so our gutted military can once again be as strong as it was during the 80s. I spent 20 years in the Navy, ending in 2005, and saw firsthand the true demolishing of the military. Every ship that was preparing to go on deployment went to other ships in the harbor asking for supplies from ships not going on or just came back from deployment, including aircraft and helo parts.
Thi President has once again instilled sense of pride in this country not seen since 9/11. We were able to come together as one then.
You mean he got the win like every President in your lifetime has?
Wow.
Big news story there!
There are people that think the whole so called border situation lays only on a wall on the southern border while ignoring all of the situation.
Some think the main crux of the situation is people of Latin origins are strolling across, when that is only a fraction of what is at hand.
Building a wall is nothing more than an expensive feelgood measure.
I don't even know what this means. If I was wealthy, of course I would make more money than everyone else. I don't know what you mean by get back more as the wealthy should not get back anything. If I was extremely wealthy I would expect to pay a lot more in taxes. The wealthy were not hurting at all before the tax cuts and they are certainly not hurting now.
My opinion was formed by listening to other counties. Most do not like trump or his policies. The UK protest against trump looked bigger than any rally's in the US. I have seen the way he treats putin. One would have to be blind not to see trump basically being submissive to him.
What is the 48 billion more?
Haaha. Wow. Thanks for the laugh.
Unless of course, 87 million American's had their personal information stolen from social media websites and then were targeted via Russian bots and fed endless lies and propaganda about Trump's opponent …
… so that he won by MINUS 3 MILLION VOTES!
He won. Period.
This nonsense about the popular vote is some of the stupidest crap I have ever heard.
But here is a suggestion for you for next election:
Run somebody who understands how Presidents are elected.
Or not.
I'm good either way.
WTF is an 'non indicted felon'? Sounds like more projecting bug. Aren't you in that 'nothing to see here' brigade that doesn't want to acknowledge what all of Mueller's indictments, pleas and incarcerations? Care to reconcile that?
Hi Kathleen - I sent you a private note. I don't like to discuss personal issues on an open forum.
What's different? You already say all that and worse of anybody who isn't in the fold...
I think in general he's set the conservative ID free and neither he or his supporters care how much that harms the country. But it does expose the nasty underbelly of conservative ideology.
How Ironic that our children are literally indoctrinated and brainwashed by liberal ideology their entire life (so they have already been CONTINUOUSLY exposed to intolerance and hate) but try to show them another point or view and you are a monster. LMFAO!!!!
More proof the new strategy is "if you can't beat them silence them". Of course, The same folks will tell you they don't try to silence conservatives....(don't pay attention to Berkeley and the likes....nothing to see here...)
Maybe it's time to get politics out of schools along with religion....make it so they can only teach basic ideology of each party just like they do with religion. If you break the rules you are canned. Sounds fair to me...Isn't the left still all about fairness?/s
Who would take a kid to a political rally or event of any kind?