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Vox Publishes Article Trashing McCain Merely An Hour After His Death

  

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Via:  heartland-american  •  6 years ago  •  278 comments

Vox Publishes Article Trashing McCain Merely An Hour After His Death
The Arizona Republican and war hero passed away on Saturday night and received beautiful tributes from his family, friends and colleagues. Vox, however, decided to immediately criticize McCain for choosing Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to be his running mate during the 2008 presidential election.

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Online media company Vox published an article trashing Sen. John McCain less than an hour after his tragic death following a long battle with brain cancer.

The Arizona Republican and war hero passed away on Saturday night and received beautiful tributes from his family, friends and colleagues.

Vox, however, decided to immediately criticize McCain for choosing Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to be his running mate during the 2008 presidential election.

“McCain empowered a demagogue who put the Republican Party on the path to Donald Trump,” politics editor Laura McGann wrote.

McGann blamed McCain for the rise of Donald Trump’s political fortunes, arguing that choosing a “demagogue” like Palin opened the door for a reality show-esque presidential candidate.

“McCain, who passed away at age 81, is remembered as a maverick, a man who crossed the aisle and built relationships with Democrats,” McGann said. “But he also betrayed his own values hoping to win a presidential election, and sent the Republican Party down the path to Trump.”

Vox tweeted out the article but later deleted the tweet following backlash from people who thought the criticism of McCain came too soon.

Vox: McCain Article (Twitter Screenshot: August 25, 2018)
















Yeah @ ezraklein we’re not going to let you just memory hole that one. Your website is a disgrace. pic.twitter.com/1diH8sBAwW






McGann defended her article, insisting that she won’t “pretend” that McCain never chose Palin as his running mate.



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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

“The Arizona Republican and war hero passed away on Saturday night and received beautiful tributes from his family, friends and colleagues.

Vox, however, decided to immediately criticize McCain for choosing Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to be his running mate during the 2008 presidential election.

“McCain empowered a demagogue who put the Republican Party on the path to Donald Trump,” politics editor Laura McGann wrote.

McGann blamed McCain for the rise of Donald Trump’s political fortunes, arguing that choosing a “demagogue” like Palin opened the door for a reality show-esque presidential candidate.

“McCain, who passed away at age 81, is remembered as a maverick, a man who crossed the aisle and built relationships with Democrats,” McGann said. “But he also betrayed his own values hoping to win a presidential election, and sent the Republican Party down the path to Trump.”

Vox tweeted out the article but later deleted the tweet following backlash from people who thought the criticism of McCain came too soon.”

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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1.1  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    6 years ago

I can't fault McCain for Palin, she was more the choice of the Party elites than she was his, his choice I think would have been Lieberman and, if he had chosen him I would have voted for McCain.....if Hillary had won the nomination on the Democratic side.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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1.2  Jasper2529  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    6 years ago

Laura McGann, Vox's Editorial Director, has a severe case of TDS. 

 
 
 
JBB
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1.2.1  JBB  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2    6 years ago
Laura McGann, Vox's Editorial Director, has a severe case of TDS. 

Well that settles it /s. 100% of all Americans suffer from TDS. Trumpian Dystopia Sickness...

The right was made demented by their cognitive dissonance and the left has Trump Fatigue.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2  Bob Nelson    6 years ago

Another drive-by shooting from one of NT's specialists!

What does an intellectually honest person do with a text they disagree with? They post it, and comment on it.

What so our NT duck-and-dodgers do? They post a critique of the article... that doesn't even have the courage to link to it! Another drive-by shooting!

Ah but we have Google, so... here's the Vox article. NT members may now decide for themselves, rather than ingurgitate the pablum they are usually fed... and which is all they really want...


Republican presidential candidate John McCain and his vice presidential candidate, Sarah Palin, attend a campaign rally at Giant Center in Hershey, Pennsylvania, on October 28, 2008. Robyn Beck/AFP/Getty Images

John McCain, Sarah Palin, and the rise of reality TV politics

McCain empowered a demagogue who put the Republican Party on the path to Donald Trump.

The party of Donald Trump began almost 10 years ago to the day, when John McCain tapped Sarah Palin to join his ticket.

It’s one of the most important moments of McCain’s career. He proved willing to empower a demagogue when he thought doing so would improve his political fortunes, exactly the sin so many of his colleagues in the Republican Party have committed since Trump won their party’s nomination.

“She’s not from these parts and she’s not from Washington, but when you get to know her, you’re going to be as impressed as I am,” McCain said when he announced his decision. “She’s got the grit, integrity, the good sense and fierce devotion to the common good that is exactly what we need in Washington today.”

Palin’s big moment in front of a national audience was the first live vice presidential debate with Joe Biden. Her big opener was to ask the crowd: “What’s the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull?” Her answer: “Lipstick.”

Things went downhill from there. She dodged questions, offering no real or substantive answers. And still, the event drew 70 million viewers — the largest audience for a vice presidential debate in history. She dazzled conservatives.

Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden and Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin take part in the vice presidential debate at the Field House of Washington University’s Athletic Complex on October 2, 2008, in St. Louis, Missouri. Scott Olson/Getty Images

National Review editor Rich Lowry described her as “so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing, [sending] little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America.”

Palin’s run solidified the Republican Party’s comfort with a candidate who would say absurdities. When Katie Couric wanted to know what newspapers she read, Palin answered, “Um, all of them, any of them that have been in front of me over all these years.”

Even though McCain and Palin were bested by Barack Obama and Joe Biden, Palin inspired a slew of copycats, unleashing a political style and a values system that animated the Tea Party movement and laid the groundwork for a Trump presidency.

McCain and Palin supporters before a campaign rally in Pottsville, Pennsylvania, on October 27, 2008. Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images

McCain, who passed away at age 81, is remembered as a maverick, a man who crossed the aisle and built relationships with Democrats. But he also betrayed his own values hoping to win a presidential election, and sent the Republican Party down the path to Trump.

McCain sacrificed his values to win

McCain’s campaign was in free fall at the end of August 2008. He needed a Hail Mary, as many in the media put it at the time.

He seemed interested in tapping his close friend Sen. Joe Lieberman, a moderate Democrat, though a foreign policy hawk, who ran with Al Gore in 2000. Lieberman endorsed McCain over Obama. He wasn’t exactly a figure who’d excite ... anyone.

Palin, on the other hand, was a charismatic figure who campaign manager Steve Schmidt thought might appeal to women and to the party’s base. She was the governor of Alaska and had been the mayor of her small town, Wasilla. She’d also been called a “maverick” for confronting corruption in the state legislature, an identity that meshed well with McCain’s own.

Gov. Sarah Palin talks to supporters as her husband, Todd Palin, looks on during a campaign rally in Tucson, Arizona, on March 26, 2010. Darren Hauck/Getty Images

Pretty quickly, though, Palin’s shortcomings started to show. She flubbed basic questions in interviews. Like: Why did you thin k Roe v. Wade was a bad decision ? (Abortion was a central theme of Palin’s politics.)

McCain’s decision to pick her was called into question right away. How did McCain miss the signs that maybe she wasn’t up to the job?

In 2008, I flew to Wasilla, Alaska, the day after Palin was tapped. I headed to the city clerk’s office to pick up copies of meeting minutes from when she was mayor. I assumed the McCain campaign had done the same, but no. As I wrote at the time:

I just got off the phone with the very helpful city clerk at the Wasilla City Clerk’s office, Kristie Smithers, who is pulling some documents for me from when Gov. Sarah Palin was mayor. I told her I appreciated her help, since I’m sure she’s been bombarded with requests these last few weeks. The clerk’s office keeps all City Council meeting agendas, minutes, legislation, ordinances, etc. She chuckled. Then she told me that I’m the first person who has asked her office for anything.

McCain was prepared to put Palin a “heartbeat away from the presidency” without even checking if she could do the job. Instead, he picked her because she seemed like a good play to the base.

A supporter listens to Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) address a campaign rally in Blountville, Tennessee, on November 3, 2008. Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images

Conservatives had long dallied in race baiting, like the the push poll credited with dooming McCain in the 2000 presidential primary in South Carolina. Voters were asked if they minded that McCain had a black daughter . (One of McCain’s daughters, Meghan McCain, is white; the other, Bridget McCain, was adopted from Bangladesh.)

While McCain was credited with cutting off a woman at a rally who seemed to be saying something offensive about Barack Obama’s background, his running mate was on stages accusing Obama of “ palling around with terrorists .”

Palin was playing straight into the hands of conspiracy theorists who doubted Obama’s citizenship. She participated in painting him as “other” — someone who couldn’t be a patriotic American.

Palin unleashed reality politics

McCain and Palin lost, but after the election, Palin stayed in the limelight for a time. She got a deal with Fox News and traveled the country, endorsing and stumping for Tea Party candidates.

Schmidt, who had pushed McCain to select Palin, was depicted in the HBO version of the reported story of the 2008 campaign, Game Change , as racked with guilt for his role in the decision.

“This wasn’t a campaign, it was a bad reality show,” he says .

Palin herself went on to sign an actual deal for a reality TV show.

Sarah Palin with the cast of NBC News’s Today show on April 3, 2012. NBCU Photo Bank via Getty Images

Over the next few years, Palin began to fade, but she was replaced by a small army of candidates who picked up her mantle. More and more, campaigning became about resentment and identity — us versus them. The white base of the Republican Party was energized and took back the House in 2010.

McCain made friends with politicians across the aisle, from Joe Biden to Hillary Clinton to Joe Lieberman. He was beloved by the press for many years for his cordial, friendly style. He loved to talk about himself as a straight shooter (his campaign bus was “the Straight Talk Express”).

He put this reputation on the line for Palin. She used it to gain credibility and a foothold in the national debate.

After being diagnosed with cancer, McCain still defended Palin’s performance but said he regretted not picking Lieberman as his running mate.

Gov. Sarah Palin and Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) at a campaign stop in Cedarburg, Wisconsin, on September 5, 2008. Charles Ommanney/Getty Images

Now we may all read and decide for ourselves!

oh, wait... "read"...

   ...   ...   ...   oh dear... that won't happen, will it?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Bob Nelson @2    6 years ago

The Vox article is impeccably documented and argued.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1    6 years ago

No it’s not.  It was a character assassination moments after a war hero died.  Nothing more, nothing less.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.1    6 years ago

Why don't you point out the parts of the article that are untrue?

If the article is character assassination, there must be a lot that is false. Please be precise...   Giggle

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.2    6 years ago

Palin didn’t trigger Trumps arising.  It was the bicoastal urban secular progressive elite that did it by ignoring them common person on the streets of our suburbs, exurbs, small towns and rural farming and mining villages.   Palin was much more in the mold of the conservative GOP base than Trump is. Palin in 08 did not have the same kind of appeal yet to the white unionized working class that Trump does.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.2    6 years ago

Hey Bob, since you want to discuss things political so soon after his passing, think about another shot at repeal and replace Obamacare during the lame duck session in Nov/Dec?  Or the extra vote we will have in September for Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court?  

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.5  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.1    6 years ago
It was a character assassination moments after a war hero died.

So let me get this straight. 

The guy who heralds Trump as the savior of the nation, thinks it's character assassination to suggest that McCain lead to the saviors election.

 laughing dude

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.4    6 years ago

Are you derailing your own seed?

Is your argument so pathetically weak that you must try to move elsewhere?

   Thumbs Down 2

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.1.7  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.1    6 years ago

How could one possibly trust a man who would pick Palin for VP?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.8  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1    6 years ago
The Vox article is impeccably documented and argued.

Oh yes it is and I agree with everything except the implied conclusions.

1) Palin did not cost McCain the election. He never had much of a chance of defeating Obama and had absolutely NO chance after the financial crisis burst upon the scene in October of 2008.

2) Plain was not the precursor to the Trump supporter. Obama's leftist overreach gets all the credit for that.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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2.1.9  SteevieGee  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.8    6 years ago

Let it be said that Vic just gave Obama credit for something.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.10  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.9    6 years ago

As do I.  He’s right about Obama being the single biggest cause of support for Trump. I’ll also give obama credit as the greatest gun salesman in American history.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.11  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.10    6 years ago
As do I.  He’s right about Obama being the single biggest cause of support for Trump. I’ll also give obama credit as the greatest gun salesman in American history.

Then I am sure you have a ton of quotes from Obama saying he supported trump and the NRA? 

*crickets*

And for the record? The only reason people bought more guns was because the fake news right wing media kept pushing that, "Obama is going to take all your guns!!!!" bullshit. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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2.1.12  Skrekk  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.8    6 years ago

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Bob Nelson
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2.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Bob Nelson @2    6 years ago

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XXJefferson51
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2.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2    6 years ago

I’ll pass.  The Daily Caller account of what that witch who wrote her scurrilous piece is right on.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.2.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.1    6 years ago
coaching on how to format a seed

What part of this phrase do you not understand?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.2    6 years ago

I understood all of it.  Why would I ask you for help for anything.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.2.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.3    6 years ago

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cjcold
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2.2.5  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.1    6 years ago

The Daily Caller account of anything is suspect for being far right wing lies, innuendo and propaganda.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Bob Nelson @2    6 years ago

Actually she won that debate.  The first big appearance of course was not that but her speech to the nation at the GOP convention.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.3.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.3    6 years ago
Why don't you point out the parts of the article that are untrue? If the article is character assassination, there must be a lot that is false. Please be precise...  

 
 
 
JBB
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2.3.2  JBB  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.3.1    6 years ago

McCain (A fine man) might have been POTUS had he not chosen the worst damn running mate in US history. That HA's issue.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.3.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  JBB @2.3.2    6 years ago
McCain (A fine man) might have been POTUS had he not chosen the worst damn running mate in US history.

I agree... but as you say, this is the heart of the alt-right dilemma. The Tea Party love Sarah Palin. She was as basic as they. As crazy as they! When she went off looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, the Tea Party was orphaned, and had to find a new idol.

The Donald!

Sarah proved to be an electoral liability... because it was terrifying to imagine such a ditz just a heartbeat away from the nuclear football.

... and now Donald has the football full-time...  stunned

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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2.3.5  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to    6 years ago
He should be thanked for his service, but he ended up being a good Democrat.

Yeah, Ok, even though he was a Republican his whole political life, now he's somehow a Democrat. Just because he opposed the Idiot-in Chief that we currently have doesn't mean he changed party's what it means is the idiot who is sitting in the White House now doesn't have the best interests of our country on his ganglia.

 
 
 
JBB
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2.3.6  JBB  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.3.4    6 years ago
she went off looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow

Palin and her brood have been in dozens of lousy reality shows since 2008 which is a good example of how dumb olde Sarah and the Wassilla Hillbillies coarsened our culture leading us in only eight years to the selection of Donald "The Apprentice" Trump, our first reality show POTUS.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.3.7  Bob Nelson  replied to  JBB @2.3.6    6 years ago

When she resigned the governorship, it was obvious that she was only in it for the money.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.3.8  Greg Jones  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.3.7    6 years ago

How much would she have made as VP. She had more practical administrative experience and much more common sense than Obama, who came into the job totally inexperienced and unprepared. We are still paying the price for it.

 
 
 
JBB
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2.3.9  JBB  replied to  Greg Jones @2.3.8    6 years ago
How much would she have made as VP. 

Probably not as much as the holy rolling "Abstinence Only" advocate and single mother of "at least" three children by multiple shady partners, Bristol Palin, will make for staring in Teen Mom OG. Oh My! Really Classy /S...

Bristol Palin is apparently making a pretty penny for her debut appearance on Season 8 of "Teen Mom OG." The 27-year-old mother of three is  reportedly  getting $250,000 for her new role on the MTV reality series, a spinoff from "16 and Pregnant" which documented challenges teenagers faced as they navigated parenthood for the first time.  According to Us Weekly , Palin could be making even more if she continues filming.“She could be making $350,000 in three years,” a source told the magazine, adding that Palin was initially hoping to make double that amount.Palin, daughter of former Alaska governor Sarah Palin, revealed she would be joining the cast in an  Instagram post  on Friday. BRISTOL PALIN JOINING MTV REALITY SERIES 'TEEN MOM OG'

 
 
 
Skrekk
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2.3.10  Skrekk  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.3.4    6 years ago
Sarah proved to be an electoral liability... because it was terrifying to imagine such a ditz just a heartbeat away from the nuclear football. ... and now Donald has the football full-time... 

It speaks volumes about the GOP that those are the kinds of people which conservatives think are fit to lead the country.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.3.11  Bob Nelson  replied to  Skrekk @2.3.10    6 years ago

It's what you get from a population that is incapable of rising above the bumper-sticker level of "thinking".

 
 
 
lib50
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2.3.12  lib50  replied to  Greg Jones @2.3.8    6 years ago
She had more practical administrative experience and much more common sense than Obama, who came into the job totally inexperienced and unprepared. We are still paying the price for it.

Wow.  She QUIT midway through her 'administrative experience', FFS!  Common sense?  Any?  Let alone more than Obama?  Stop there and explain both.  You can even trace her 'experience' to today.  I can't be alone in wondering how that thought process works.   What exact price do you think the country paid (and is still paying) that Obama did (and what did he do)? 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.3.13  igknorantzrulz  replied to  lib50 @2.3.12    6 years ago

She made far more monies on her bus the family around the country tour, that the idiots on the right paid for, and then some.

They paid for a few months all expenses paid and then SOME, vacation of hip hip rah rah, aren't we swell, and aren't I cuter than Hillary, fckn charade

Just like Trumpullthinskin and his incessant need for pep rallies to stroke his pitiful ego,   

just look at that hair....

obvious pettin and patting himself 0n his head and back,

till the back of his head, couldn't face it N E longer

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Bob Nelson @2    6 years ago

And you are ok with publishing this an hour or so after the one being attacked had just died?  Really?  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.4.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.4    6 years ago
And you are ok with publishing this an hour or so after the one being attacked had just died?

Would it be better to wait 24 hours?

McCain was a complex person. His legacy is... mottled. His choice of Palin has had the disastrous consequence cited in the article. Why should that not be said?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.4.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.4.1    6 years ago

Then talk about it sometime after the funeral.  Its what civil people do.  They wait for a decent interval to pass. 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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2.4.3  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Bob Nelson @2.4.1    6 years ago
ok with publishing this an hour or so after

I for one would have prefer to see it maybe tomorrow.  

I think there is still a time for respect, this story wasn't going anywhere.

BUT I dont blame you for sending even now. (actually I'm glad you did I miss having an instant news feed section) I just think the entire release timing sure could have been a little more respectfully executed from vox to begin with that's all. 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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2.4.4  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Bob Nelson @2.4.1    6 years ago
Why should that not be said?

Bob, the question before us is when, not if.. correct ? 

As a hard a tuff advocate for free speak, Hell YA ! If its true , I want to know. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.4.5  Bob Nelson  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @2.4.4    6 years ago

So... today we're seeing outrage... OUTRAGE, I tell you!!   ...   because a perfectly reasonable article was released perhaps a few hours earlier than is strictly "proper".

Yesterday, we saw the same outrage... OUTRAGE, I tell you!!   ...  about the killing of a young woman whose family was asking that the event not be politicized...

OUTRAGE, I tell you!!   ...  

... yeah... right...   talk to the hand

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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2.4.6  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Bob Nelson @2.4.5    6 years ago
So... today we're seeing outrage

Where ? I'm not outraged. Hell I dont remember ever being outraged. lol 

And I agree about the story yesterday about the killing of a young woman being politicized. sad.

Like I stated earlier IMO: Freedom without respect is chaos. But I guess that is the world we find ourselves in today. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.4.7  Bob Nelson  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @2.4.6    6 years ago

I wasn't speaking of you.

I was observing the 180° split between yesterday's outraged alt-right seeds here on NT, and their outraged seeds today.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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2.4.8  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.4    6 years ago
And you are ok with publishing this an hour or so after the one being attacked had just died?  Really?

When did Wasilla Sarah die?

 
 
 
JBB
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2.4.9  JBB  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @2.4.8    6 years ago

It seems the author feels that blaming Palin for Trump ala McCain's is a terrible awful hateful thing and a slander...

The author must know Trump is a terrible awful hateful man to be outraged anyone even mentions Palin. Too Soon!

That is understandable. The one standout failure of McCain's long honorable career was pickng Sarah Boo Boo Palin.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

Should I return to Cornhusker4Palin status because of this hit piece?  

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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3.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  XXJefferson51 @3    6 years ago
Should I return to Cornhusker4Palin status because of this hit piece?

lol 

Na that's the past. HA is more fitting for today anyway.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @3.1    6 years ago

I just hope that after Trump wins re-election he appoints Palin to a cabinet position like Interior or Energy, or EPA.  It made me angry to see that hit piece.  It is eerie that the hate of the secular progressive left for Palin and for Trump are so similar.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.1    6 years ago
It is eerie that the hate of the secular progressive left for Palin and for Trump are so similar.  

Not eerie at all... That is very precisely the topic of the Vox article. All you have to do is read it!

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321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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3.1.3  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.1    6 years ago
I just hope that after Trump wins re-election he appoints Palin to a cabinet position like Interior or Energy, or EPA.

LOL .. That'd be about right.

I think she'd good right where she is, keepin an eye on Russia for us. 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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3.1.4  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.1    6 years ago
It is eerie that the hate of the secular progressive left for Palin and for Trump are so similar.

Kinda of a tail tail sign it may be more a personality or political thing eh ? 

Understandable though most politicians are known for one or the other and are supported for the most part by the same either their personality or their politics. Both are either liked or disliked one way or another by most of us. 

I agree though taking any of this too the max is sad. After all we do all still share but one land its probably better if we try to get a long and let the people we hire work out their own problems of getting along well enough to do the damn job the were hired to do. Unfortunately they are the ones who divided us up to begin with.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @3.1.3    6 years ago

She never said she could see Russia from her house.  I’m more concerned about China now than Russia.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @3.1.4    6 years ago

See my post above on that matter.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @3.1    6 years ago

I’m not really going to return to that name unless she returns to Politics if she does.  It still irks my nerve the grave dancing that Vox article does.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.1.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.2    6 years ago

Why did the witch delete her tweet after all the critical reviews came in.  

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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3.1.9  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.5    6 years ago
She never said she could see Russia from her house.

Hopefully she's close enough to hear em coming, that's good enough for me.

(She's just a little too right for me)

I’m more concerned about China now than Russia.  

Me too especially long term financially and world control wise but Russia presents its own short and long term problems. As well as N Korea and their crazy jack-ass leader. To mention a few other countries that are concerning.   

See we need eyes everywhere. 

Even Alaska.

lol 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.1.10  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @3.1.9    6 years ago

What we really need to keep a close eye on is New York City along with most of  the urban Los Angeles to Seattle coast line areas......Giggle  Those people are off their rocker scary.  

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Guide
3.1.11  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.7    6 years ago
 It still irks my nerve the grave dancing that Vox article does.  

Some people cant let a tragedy go to unused. Unfortunately it's become the norm. I agree.

IMO: There still should be room for respect. I'd say that is one of the qualities that make a countries people great if not for the country itself. 

Without respect what is freedom. Chaos ?

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Guide
3.1.12  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.10    6 years ago
New York City along with most of  the urban Los Angeles to Seattle coast line areas

I wouldn't know the only time I went into california I was only there for part of one day.But from what I saw I wasn't impressed !  I liked Fl. much better ! 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.1.13  Skrekk  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.7    6 years ago

The Vox article seems quite good and is entirely accurate, but it's just one of twelve articles which Vox published about different periods or aspects of McCain's life.

It's very true that McCain ended his presidential hopes the moment he picked the dumbest person on the planet as his running mate.     The other key point was when he condemned the racism of the loony woman at the rally.    The fact that Palin was a Birther moron and got a great response from the GOP base with that schtick just goes to show that the GOP had drifted away from even conservatives like McCain and had become the party of white supremacists and Islamophobes.     No wonder a racist and criminal dimwit like Trump won the GOP nomination in 2016......he's literally the male version of Sarah Palin: too dumb to breathe.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.1.14  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Skrekk @3.1.13    6 years ago

let the venom and hatred flow unchecked.  The stronger it is the better the GOP will do in November. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Participates
3.1.15  Skrekk  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.14    6 years ago

I wonder if the fact that McCain's family had been the target of racist Republicans caused him to quickly condemn it when he heard racist views at his own rally?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
3.1.16  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Skrekk @3.1.13    6 years ago
McCain ended his presidential hopes the moment he picked the dumbest person on the planet as his running mate.

Second dumbest. The dumbest person was elected in 2016 as either a sick joke or just by persons with about the same room temperature IQ.

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Participates
3.1.17  Skrekk  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.16    6 years ago

Vox posted an excellent article about McCain's wishy-washiness on the torture issue, and the fact that the CIA is still exempt from the prohibitions on torture in part because of that.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
Sophomore Participates
3.1.19  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Skrekk @3.1.17    6 years ago
Vox posted an excellent article about McCain's wishy-washiness on the torture issue, and the fact that the CIA is still exempt from the prohibitions on torture in part because of that.

This is one of the things I didn't understand about him, if it had been me and, I had gone through what he did, I would have been against any form of torture by any government for the purpose of gaining information or, any purpose.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
3.1.20  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.14    6 years ago
let the venom and hatred flow unchecked.

You do your part with your daily seeds...

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.1.21  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @3.1.12    6 years ago

You likely missed this part. http://www.visitredding.com/mobile/

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.1.22  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.16    6 years ago

The dumbest idiot ever elected left the White House for good on Jan. 20, 2017.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
3.1.23  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.22    6 years ago
The dumbest idiot ever elected left the White House for good on Jan. 20, 2017.  

Obama was a Harvard grad and a teacher there. Trump didn't even make the top 15% at Wharton. 

Trump is dumber than a sack full of hammers. 

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
3.1.24  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.1    6 years ago

It's because both Palin and Trump are ignorant assholes that the right wing love them (birds of a feather).

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Participates
3.1.25  Skrekk  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.1    6 years ago
I just hope that after Trump wins re-election he appoints Palin to a cabinet position like Interior or Energy, or EPA.

Why hasn't he already appointed her to one of those positions or even the supreme court?    After all she's one of the more brilliant of conservatives and is almost as smart and as ethical as Trump.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.1.26  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.23    6 years ago

But Trump is smarter than every secular progressive politician in America.  

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
3.1.27  Studiusbagus  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.26    6 years ago

Don't worry.

Trump will remind them of that in his parole hearing.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
3.1.28  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.22    6 years ago
The dumbest idiot ever elected

... is still in office. His predecessor, the eloquent constitutional scholar and law professor, had 100 times the intelligence, integrity and honor than the current oval office occupant. He also had just one wife and there is no evidence he ever even cheated on his first lady, let alone had to pay over a quarter of a million to keep his slimy adulterous affairs with a porn star and playboy playmate quiet. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.29  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.23    6 years ago
'Obama was a Harvard grad and a teacher there. Trump didn't even make the top 15% at Wharton.'

Former Rump Wharton professor:

NEWS & POLITICS

Former Wharton Professor: 'Trump Was the Dumbest G*ddamn Student I Ever Had'

Surprise, surprise. The president came to business school thinking he knew it all.
 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
3.1.30  livefreeordie  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.23    6 years ago

Obama never was a professor anywhere including the claim he was a Constitutional professor at Chicago School of Law

Media Inquiries

The University of Chicago Law School handles media requests through the University of Chicago News Office. The Law School is happy to work with the media to provide access to our faculty members, who are experts on myriad subjects, or to provide comment on news stories where appropriate. For all media inquiries, please contact the News Office at (773) 702-8360 or news@uchicago.edu.

Statement Regarding Barack Obama  

The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer."

From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.1.32  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.30    6 years ago
Obama never was a professor anywhere including the claim he was a Constitutional professor at Chicago School of Law

Media Inquiries

The University of Chicago Law School handles media requests through the University of Chicago News Office. The Law School is happy to work with the media to provide access to our faculty members, who are experts on myriad subjects, or to provide comment on news stories where appropriate. For all media inquiries, please contact the News Office at (773) 702-8360 or news@uchicago.edu.

Statement Regarding Barack Obama  

The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer."

From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

You do realize that you have contradicted yourself with your own link here don't you? Here, let me help you figure it out,

You stated this,

Obama never was a professor anywhere including the claim he was a Constitutional professor at Chicago School of Law

Then you posted this,

From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.
 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
3.1.33  Dulay  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.1.32    6 years ago

Wow!applause

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
3.1.34  Studiusbagus  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.1.32    6 years ago

Hahaha! You beat him with his own idiot stick.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
3.1.35  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.26    6 years ago
But Trump is smarter than every secular progressive politician in America.  

He cannot even spell "counsel". He's an idiot. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4  Kavika     6 years ago

I'm especially impressed with the conservative NT members response to Senator McCain's passing./s 

There have been two article posted dealing with his passing and it seems that the only ones that commented and paid their respects were those horrible liberals/dems/progressives. 

Certainly goes to show who the hypocrites are. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
4.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Kavika @4    6 years ago

I'm highly conflicted on the subject of John McCain. His greatest quality was that he was himself... and his greatest defect was that... he was himself...

He was straightforward... for good or for bad.

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
4.2  Rmando  replied to  Kavika @4    6 years ago

I've seen several conservatives paying their respects to McCain. You have selective reading.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.2.1  Kavika   replied to  Rmando @4.2    6 years ago

On the article posted by Perrie, you were the only one to comment Rmando when I posted the above. 

On Krishna article when it was posted that Senator McCain passed the only comments from conservatives were less that flattering to Senator McCain. 

No selective reading on my part Rmando..

I do thank you for your comment about Senator McCain. 

Your welcome.

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
4.2.2  Rmando  replied to  Kavika @4.2.1    6 years ago

A more accurate way of putting that would be the majority of liberal comments showing condolences about McCain also take swipes at Trump. It seems TDS never takes a day off.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
4.2.3  MrFrost  replied to  Rmando @4.2.2    6 years ago

Really? You cannot even make one post without bringing up;

1) Liberals

2) "The left"

3) Bill or Hillary Clinton. 

McCain was a good man, father, husband. I didn't always agree with his politics but he was an American Hero. He was from the old Republican school, when they had honor and a sense of fair play. No wonder McCain hated trump, because trump shares none of the core values of this country. NONE. 

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
4.2.4  Rmando  replied to  MrFrost @4.2.3    6 years ago

If that's the case then why sully the memory of McCain with any Trump references at all? And I will keep bringing up the left, liberals and Clinton as long as they persue their out of control political coup to unseat a legitimately elected president. Nothing is off limits when the losing side is still trying to overturn a two year old election.

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Participates
4.2.5  Skrekk  replied to  Kavika @4.2.1    6 years ago
On Krishna article when it was posted that Senator McCain passed the only comments from conservatives were less that flattering to Senator McCain. 

Until he died the tea party loons usually called him a RINO, but today he's the best thing since Sarah Palin.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Rmando @4.2.2    6 years ago

[deleted]

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
4.3  Jasper2529  replied to  Kavika @4    6 years ago
I'm especially impressed with the conservative NT members response to Senator McCain's passing./s 

There have been two article posted dealing with his passing and it seems that the only ones that commented and paid their respects were those horrible liberals/dems/progressives. 

Certainly goes to show who the hypocrites are. 

Did you ever think that it's the weekend and that the man died only yesterday evening (eastern time)? I, for one, don't appreciate your labeling conservatives who haven't posted as "hypocrites" just because we didn't post a comment within what you think is a proper time frame. Not all of us put NT before family and friends, Kavika.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.3.1  JBB  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.3    6 years ago

That right there is another example of the feigned outrage we were just talking about. Other than mentions of Palin, unavoidable, nobody really dissed McCain except for righties who hated McCain for not toeing the line with Trump. Remember? McCain become a RINO according to righties...

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
4.3.2  Jasper2529  replied to  JBB @4.3.1    6 years ago
That right there is another example of the feigned outrage we were just talking about.

You clearly don't know me as well as you think you do, JBB. It takes a lot for me to become outraged at something or someone. Comments on social media are at the bottom of my "outrage" list. 

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
4.3.3  cjcold  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.3.2    6 years ago

Maybe that's why he said "feigned outrage".

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
4.3.4  Jasper2529  replied to  cjcold @4.3.3    6 years ago
Maybe that's why he said "feigned outrage".

Maybe you needed to see the entire thread to understand what he meant and my response to it. It was not this seed.

Enjoy the rest of the weekend! 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.3.5  JBB  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.3.2    6 years ago
You clearly don't know me as well as you think you do, JBB.

Now Jasper, Please! Let's be honest. We have been dealing with each other for years and years and years now...

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
4.3.6  Jasper2529  replied to  JBB @4.3.5    6 years ago
Now Jasper, Please! Let's be honest. We have been dealing with each other for years and years and years now...

That is a false comment, JBB, and you know it. It's time for you to stop perpetuating such meta nonsense.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.3.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.3.6    6 years ago

Jasper and other conservatives, I have created a new group out of an old one.  It is NewsTalkers Conservative Public Forum.  It is just that, public.  I’m not taking NewsTalkers Conservatives public as it’s membership is comfortable private.  The new group will allow you to see articles like this one on the FP and then go to the group and comment there.  I will be the moderator there so it will be a pleasant environment.  Non conservatives can be there as long as they engage in a spirit of comity and show civility.  Feel free to join!  

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
5  Rmando    6 years ago

I suppose the left would've been okay with an article after Ted Kennedys death that was mostly about Chappaquidic (however it's spelled). After all that's factually accurate too and unlike McCain picking Palin somebody actually died there. Instead we had to wait fifty years for a movie about it and the left still complained.

I'm not a Palin fan but I recognize the hypocrisy when the left calls anybody who even lightly criticized Obama a racist but felt fire to trash Palin with tons of outright liberal misogyny. Dan Quayle wasn't known in the media for being a rocket scientist but the left never had the same venom and hatred for them. The left has "a special place in Hell" for women and minorities who "go off the reservation"- to use one of Hillarys favorite phrases.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1  JBB  replied to  Rmando @5    6 years ago
I suppose the left would've been okay with an article after Ted Kennedys death that was mostly about Chappaquidic

All articles at the time noted that tragedy ended Ted's Presidential ambitions. The only ones I have seen trashing McCain recently were far righties here on NT. That McCain made a horrible regrettable horrendous mistake nominating that awful wretch, Sarah Palin and noting the pertinent facts of the recently deceased's career is hardly insensitive. The gop's false grace is less than no grace at all. There are damn good reasons the once Grand Old Party of Lincoln is now known a merely the gop and sarah palin is the prime example of when the Big R Republicans became overpowered by the lame brain know nothing of the far far right represented by the damn tea party and sarah palin. McCain, to his credit, learned from his mistake and hated the ever lower path the gop is on...

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
5.1.1  Rmando  replied to  JBB @5.1    6 years ago

I'm sure all the articles painted Kennedy as a victim of tragic circumstances who bravely dove into icy cold water to try to save Mary Jo. I doubt few of them mentioned how he actually went back to his hotel and slept ten hours and only called the police after he saw them hoisting his car out of the river. Ted Kennedy didn't deserve to be reelected and he certainly didn't deserve a royal send off.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
Sophomore Participates
5.1.2  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Rmando @5.1.1    6 years ago
I'm sure all the articles painted Kennedy as a victim of tragic circumstances who bravely dove into icy cold water to try to save Mary Jo.

And, I'm sure that you and, yours on here will now continue to deflect to Ted Kennedy because you know that you are wrong about this article.

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
5.1.3  Rmando  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @5.1.2    6 years ago

Wrong about what? That Vox is a trash website that often uses "explained" in its headlines when it really means "rationalized"? A remembrance about someone hours after they die usually mention only the good points- you know, the part about not speaking ill of the dead?

I only bring up Kennedy because so many are bringing up the anniversary of his death, which is IMO inappropriate.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
5.1.4  Jasper2529  replied to  Rmando @5.1.1    6 years ago
I doubt few of them mentioned how he actually went back to his hotel and slept ten hours and only called the police after he saw them hoisting his car out of the river. 

Before contacting police, he also had a meeting with his "advisers" so they could put together a credible story made of lies.

Ted Kennedy didn't deserve to be reelected and he certainly didn't deserve a royal send off.

True that. The "Lion of the Senate" ... HAH!

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
5.1.5  MrFrost  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.4    6 years ago

Pretty far off topic, but I wouldn't worry, HA only flags people he disagrees with. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
5.1.6  Jasper2529  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.5    6 years ago
Pretty far off topic, 

Several on this seed have mentioned Ted Kennedy, with good reason. Both McCain and Kennedy now share the same date of death and they were both members of the US Senate. 

but I wouldn't worry, HA only flags people he disagrees with. 

If HA wants to flag my comment as off topic, that's fine with me. Those on the left have done far worse.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.6    6 years ago

The seed is about a publication attacking the corpse of a man dead about an hour at the time.  There is nothing good that can be said about the article or it’s writer.  They trampled on common decency.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
5.1.8  Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.7    6 years ago
There is nothing good that can be said about the article...

Except that it is perfectly true!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
5.1.9  Jasper2529  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.8    6 years ago
Except that it is perfectly true!

Then seed the Vox article, for Pete's sake. Sheesh!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
5.1.10  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.9    6 years ago
Then seed the Vox article, for Pete's sake. Sheesh!

Are you really this oblivious?

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
7  lennylynx    6 years ago

Has President Shitstain tweeted a comment yet?

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
7.1  Rmando  replied to  lennylynx @7    6 years ago

If you mean Trump, then yes, he posted a very nice and respectful comment last night. Try following his Twitter feed.

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
7.1.1  lennylynx  replied to  Rmando @7.1    6 years ago
"Try following his Twitter feed."

Would it be ok if I shove sharp objects under my fingernails instead?

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
7.1.2  Rmando  replied to  lennylynx @7.1.1    6 years ago

Whichever you prefer.

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Participates
7.1.3  Skrekk  replied to  Rmando @7.1    6 years ago
If you mean Trump, then yes, he posted a very nice and respectful comment last night.

It seemed both hollow and obviously written by someone other than Trump.    If you want to read nice and respectful comments you should read what Obama and Biden each wrote.

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
7.1.4  Rmando  replied to  Skrekk @7.1.3    6 years ago

You know Trump didn't write that? Do you have any proof? And can you prove Obama and Biden wrote theirs? Biden main claim to fame before becoming vp was to plagiarize British politicians, literally just changing names and locations. Obama was the King of teleprompters and hired fiction writers like Ben Rhodes and actors like Jon Faverau to write pretty speeches for hIm.

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Participates
7.1.5  Skrekk  replied to  Rmando @7.1.4    6 years ago

I like how Trump said that McCain was a "loser" and "not a hero."

He wrote those tweets by himself!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.1.6  Jasper2529  replied to  Skrekk @7.1.5    6 years ago
I like how Trump said that McCain was a "loser" and "not a hero." He wrote those tweets by himself!

Were you with him when he typed and posted them?  laughing dude

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Participates
7.1.7  Skrekk  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.1.6    6 years ago

Trump's public statements ridiculing McCain are a matter of record.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.1.8  Jasper2529  replied to  Skrekk @7.1.7    6 years ago
Trump's public statements ridiculing McCain are a matter of record.

That wasn't the point of my question.

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
7.1.9  Rmando  replied to  Skrekk @7.1.5    6 years ago

You certainly seem to be obsessed with Trumps opinion on everything. How long ago did he write those tweets and aren't there more inportant things to worry about?

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Participates
7.1.10  Skrekk  replied to  Rmando @7.1.9    6 years ago
How long ago did he write those tweets

Trump can change his views from one sentence to the next.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
7.1.11  lib50  replied to  Rmando @7.1    6 years ago
he posted a very nice and respectful comment last night. Try following his Twitter feed.

 He made sure he kept up his disrespect and refused to use the WH statement praising McCain. His fake sympathy speaks volumes.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/27/trump-decided-against-white-house-statement-praising-mccain.html  

And he also spent the last couple of years, up to last week actively hating on McCain (need reminded of that he refused to use McCain's name in the bill named for him?).  It is really confusing to read conservative comments here.  Some are in a mood because some news outlets were bringing up Palin and Trump, yet nobody, but nobody, was as disgusting as Trump and far right republicans.  So what's with all the fake outrage about McCain being disrespected by the left?  I've actually always respected and liked McCain and was seriously thinking about voting for him (instead of Gore) until Bush won the nom.  Even when he politically went batshit I still gave him the benefit of the doubt, and that was a tough one.   I'm not buying this fake McCain love by so many republicans who have said the most vile things about him.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
7.1.12  Studiusbagus  replied to  Rmando @7.1    6 years ago
he posted a very nice and respectful comment last night.

And refused to allow the whitehouse to offer a respectful statement calling McCain a hero.

By the way.....no half staff flags.

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Participates
7.1.13  Skrekk  replied to  Rmando @7.1    6 years ago
he posted a very nice and respectful comment last night.

I like how Trump ordered the flag on the WH raised to the top of the pole today.    You certainly wouldn't want it to be sullied by a war hero before he's laid to rest!

 
 
 
Kavika
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7.1.14  Kavika   replied to  Skrekk @7.1.13    6 years ago

The WH lowered the flag to half mast just a bit ago....

A really sad state of affairs, but not unexpected from the current administration. 

Perhaps General Fuck Up changed his simple mind. 

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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7.1.15  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Kavika @7.1.14    6 years ago
Perhaps General Fuck Up changed his simple mind. 

More like his staff finally convinced him that he was being childish.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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7.1.16  Skrekk  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @7.1.15    6 years ago
More like his staff finally convinced him that he was being childish.

Plus the American Legion and outrage from the GOP leadership:

 
 
 
Kavika
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7.1.17  Kavika   replied to  Skrekk @7.1.16    6 years ago

The VFW weighted in on the side of Senator McCain.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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8  igknorantzrulz    6 years ago

Try following his Twitter feed.

Better off following Hansel & Gretels' bread crumb trail

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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9  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו    6 years ago
Online media company Vox published an article trashing Sen. John McCain less than an hour after his tragic death following a long battle with brain cancer.

Not true, of course.  Just pointing out that Palin was the worst possible candidate to pick if citing a well-established fact.  Besidies, "president" Scumbag has been trashing McCain for over two years when the latter refused to support his candidacy.  Whatever might be said about McCain, he was a giant of a man compared to Scumbag.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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9.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @9    6 years ago

Mc Cain was a giant of a man compared to the obama scumbag.

 
 
 
JBB
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9.1.1  JBB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1    6 years ago
Mc Cain was a giant of a man compared to the obama scumbag.

And, you are outraged that someone was perhaps premature in pointing out the line from McCain to Trump?

I cannot even imagine your far rightwing sources being respectful if Obama passed. So, let's get real here...

 
 
 
MrFrost
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9.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1    6 years ago
Mc Cain was a giant of a man compared to the obama scumbag.

That's pretty fucking funny HA. I guess you missed the part where McCain explicitly requested Obama and GWB deliver his eulogies and trumptard the dumb fucking POS is BANNED from the funeral. 

Seriously, how much of a POS do you have to be to be banned from a FUNERAL? 

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Hey, why don't you go attack WallyW up there for attacking McCain? We'll wait for that to happen...

*crickets*

Now get pissy and flag me for being off topic because you don't agree with me. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.1.3  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1    6 years ago
Mc Cain was a giant of a man compared to the obama scumbag.

'the Obama scumbag' will be one of those eulogizing McCain at the giant of a man's request...you must be disappointed that McCain didn't ask Palin.  

 
 
 
Rmando
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9.1.4  Rmando  replied to  Dulay @9.1.3    6 years ago

Maybe Obama can bring up that old chestnut about when he compared Sarah Palin to a pig with lipstick. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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9.1.5  MrFrost  replied to  Dulay @9.1.3    6 years ago
you must be disappointed that McCain didn't ask Palin.

Probably because the teleprompter would take up too much space. And that disco ball shirt she wears just wouldn't be appropriate for a funeral. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.1.6  Dulay  replied to  Rmando @9.1.4    6 years ago
Maybe Obama can bring up that old chestnut about when he compared Sarah Palin to a pig with lipstick. 

I don't think Obama wants to reach up into your nether regions for that canard.

 
 
 
Rmando
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9.1.7  Rmando  replied to  Dulay @9.1.6    6 years ago

Um... those words actually came out of his mouth. Please don't insult my nether regions like that.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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9.1.8  Jasper2529  replied to  Dulay @9.1.6    6 years ago
I don't think Obama wants to reach up into your nether regions for that canard.

How quickly we forget.

 
 
 
JBB
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9.1.9  JBB  replied to  Rmando @9.1.7    6 years ago

I guess y'all don't remember Sarah Boo Boo's nasty untrue unfair quips about Obama then...

Whatever Obama said regarding Palin was mild compared to the awful invective she spewed.

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.1.10  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @9.1.8    6 years ago

Thank you for proving that Obama's comment had NOTHING to do with Palin...

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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9.1.11  Jasper2529  replied to  Dulay @9.1.10    6 years ago
Thank you for proving that Obama's comment had NOTHING to do with Palin...

I did nothing of the sort. Obama typically chose his words calculatingly and carefully. Palin referred to lipstick on the campaign trail and Obama ran with it. Here you go:

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.1.12  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @9.1.11    6 years ago
I did nothing of the sort. Obama typically chose his words calculatingly and carefully.

laughing dude

Palin referred to lipstick on the campaign trail and Obama ran with it. Here you go:

So did McCain, here you go: 

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.1.13  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @9.1.11    6 years ago

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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9.1.14  Jasper2529  replied to  Dulay @9.1.12    6 years ago
So did McCain

Yes in 2007 in Iowa. As the description from your video shows, McCain was referring to Hillary Clinton's health care plan.

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.1.15  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @9.1.14    6 years ago
McCain was referring to Hillary Clinton's health care plan.

Yes, as you stated with Obama, McCain chose his words calculatingly and carefully. Giggle

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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9.1.16  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JBB @9.1.9    6 years ago

Well Obama did pal around with terrorists.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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9.1.17  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MrFrost @9.1.2    6 years ago

Don’t spam my seeds and I likely won’t flag your comment.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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9.1.18  Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.16    6 years ago
Well Obama did pal around with terrorists. 

          laughing dude

 
 
 
Skrekk
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9.1.19  Skrekk  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.16    6 years ago
Well Obama did pal around with terrorists.

Wow.....someone who competes intellectually with Palin.

 
 
 
lib50
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9.1.20  lib50  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.16    6 years ago
Well Obama did pal around with terrorists.

lol.  At least he didn't blow them.  Trump's submissive posture and open brownnosing to Putin was worse.  Especially since Obama DIDN'T 'pal around' (although Trump sure is).  Try again.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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10  MrFrost    6 years ago

So McCain dies and HA immediately scoured the internet looking for anything that comes close to being rude to McCain, posts it here and attacks, "the left" as a whole for slandering McCain. 

This is nothing more than gaslighting. PERIOD.

 
 
 
JBB
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10.1  JBB  replied to  MrFrost @10    6 years ago
This is nothing more than gaslighting. PERIOD.

If we are supposed to be alert to anti-American Russian propaganda online this kind of bullshit is a "RED FLAG"

 
 
 
MrFrost
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10.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  JBB @10.1    6 years ago

Bingo...Well said and 100% true. 

 
 
 
JBB
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10.1.2  JBB  replied to  MrFrost @10.1.1    6 years ago

There will be a reckoning for those who spread enemy propaganda on American social media...

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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10.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JBB @10.1.2    6 years ago

We will the progressives go to flee their national day of reckoning coming soon?  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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10.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MrFrost @10    6 years ago

It was the liberal Vox that was rude to McCain, dancing on his grave even before the funeral.  

 
 
 
Skrekk
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10.2.1  Skrekk  replied to  XXJefferson51 @10.2    6 years ago

Aren't you one of the folks who called McCain a "RINO" while he was dying from a horrible disease?

 
 
 
lib50
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10.2.2  lib50  replied to  XXJefferson51 @10.2    6 years ago
It was the liberal Vox that was rude to McCain, dancing on his grave even before the funeral.  

Oh, how soon you forget this: 

What is with the fake outrage over McCain and who disrespects him?  The most vile and disgusting commentary on McCain comes from Trump and the GOP themselves, even has he was dying! And even here on NT!  Need more examples? 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/05/16/surprised-by-the-anger-toward-mccain-party-loyalists-can-hate-apostates-as-much-as-opponents/?utm_term=.831e579dfe20

 
 
 
MrFrost
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11  MrFrost    6 years ago

The reason the right hated McCain and called him a RINO? Because he put the country before the party. He wasn't afraid to reach across the aisle to get things done for the betterment of the COUNTRY. Oh yea, there is this too...

 
 
 
JBB
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11.1  JBB  replied to  MrFrost @11    6 years ago
Oh yea, there is this too...

Being a decent man speaking truth to misguided hate probably cost McCain millions of gop votes...

You could feel the energy going out of that hall when McCain denied Obama was a Muslim Commie.

 
 
 
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11.2    replied to  MrFrost @11    6 years ago

McCain was the Democratic parties official ass kisser.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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11.2.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  @11.2    6 years ago

Wow.

Those are macho macho macho words. I am s-o-o-o-o impressed!

Dismissing a long national career in one short sentence!

Class!

 
 
 
MrFrost
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11.2.2  MrFrost  replied to  @11.2    6 years ago
McCain was the Democratic parties official ass kisser.

He was a conservative republican, the only reason you say shit like that is because he put country before party which is unheard of in the GOP. I can understand your confusion here because putting country before party is the right thing to do. 

 
 
 
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11.2.3    replied to  MrFrost @11.2.2    6 years ago

Democrats loved McCain except when he ran for President then he was a piece of shit. During his campaign all he did was kiss Obama's ass and Democrats still hated him. When he lost they went back to loving him.

McCain was so obsessed with being loved by the Democrats he would but them above what was good for the country. His desire to be liked by Democrats outweighed his love of country.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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11.2.4  MrFrost  replied to  @11.2.3    6 years ago
Democrats loved McCain except when he ran for President then he was a piece of shit

If that's what you need to tell yourself to justify your media driven bias, go for it. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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11.2.5  MrFrost  replied to  @11.2    6 years ago
McCain was the Democratic parties official ass kisser.

Do you work for Vox? 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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12  lennylynx    6 years ago

Much ado about nothing.  Choosing Palin and dancing a jig for the Tea Party was the low point of McCain's life and deserving of criticism.  NO ONE, right, left, or otherwise has ever even thought about mocking John McCain for getting captured.  NO ONE is that much of a moronic piece of shit, save for one person, and no one else has been banned from the funeral.  'Nuff said.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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12.1  Skrekk  replied to  lennylynx @12    6 years ago

Yep.   Even McCain said he deeply regretted picking Palin rather than Lieberman, and said "It was another mistake I made......    But my gut told me to ignore it [the advice to choose Palin] and I wish I had."

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I also like how McCain said that Trump had “declined to distinguish the actions of our government from the crimes of despotic ones. The appearance of toughness, or a reality show facsimile of toughness, seems to matter more than any of our values. I would like to see us recover our sense that we [Americans] are more alike than different."

 
 
 
lennylynx
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13  lennylynx    6 years ago

Accolades are pouring in from all over the world.  John McCain was a giant.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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13.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  lennylynx @13    6 years ago

Except for the author of the Vox article and Vox itself.  

 
 
 
Skrekk
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13.1.1  Skrekk  replied to  XXJefferson51 @13.1    6 years ago

This isn't surprising at all given how Trump has a very fragile ego and holds a grudge........Trump refused to issue a statement praising McCain for his lifetime of service:

Press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Chief of Staff John F. Kelly and other White House aides advocated for an official statement that gave the decorated Vietnam War POW plaudits for his military and Senate service and called him a “hero,” according to current and former White House aides, who requested anonymity to discuss sensitive internal deliberations.The original statement was drafted before  McCain died Saturday,  and Sanders and others edited a final version this weekend that was ready for the president, the aides said.

But Trump told aides he wanted to post a brief tweet instead, and the statement praising McCain’s life was not released.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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13.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Skrekk @13.1.1    6 years ago

It is no secret Trump didn't like McCain.

Had Trump issued a statement praising him, I suspect many of the same folks bitching about what he tweeted would be screaming "Look at the SOB! He's a faker--everyone knows he hated McCain!"

 
 
 
Skrekk
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13.1.3  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @13.1.2    6 years ago
It is no secret Trump didn't like McCain.

I'm not surprised that McCain didn't want that vile traitor anywhere near his funeral and instead asked Obama and Dubya to give a bi-partisan eulogy.

 
 
 
lady in black
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13.1.4  lady in black  replied to  Skrekk @13.1.3    6 years ago

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Skrekk
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13.1.5  Skrekk  replied to  lady in black @13.1.4    6 years ago

Trump wants to be known as the Westboro Baptist Church of the GOP.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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13.1.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @13.1.2    6 years ago

For once, I agree with you. His only decent path was a short, polite statement, and then stay away.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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13.1.7  Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @13.1    6 years ago
Except for the author of the Vox article and Vox itself.  

I still have not seen you post any robust counter-arguments. You continually attack the author and the site... but apparently have nothing to say about the content .

Ah, yes... that requires reading ... which is hard...

   ...   ...   and thinking which is really, really hard...    thinking

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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13.1.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Bob Nelson @13.1.7    6 years ago

The point of the Daily Caller seed was to call out the Vox article and it’s author for attacking a man within an hour of his passing.  That is the subject here.  Nothing else is.  Period.  So quit beating a dead horse.  

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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13.1.9  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  XXJefferson51 @13.1.8    6 years ago

Then why not call out the White House for not flying the flag at half staff today?

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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13.1.10  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @13.1.9    6 years ago

 
 
 
Dulay
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13.1.11  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @13.1.8    6 years ago
The point of the Daily Caller seed was to call out the Vox article and it’s author for attacking a man within an hour of his passing.

So by that standard, you should acknowledge the GOP candidate for Senate did worse, she made it personal. 

One of Ward’s staffers on Saturday wrote a Facebook post wondering whether the timing of the statement from McCain’s family, made on the same day that Ward’s statewide bus tour kicked off, was simply a coincidence or a tactic “to take media attention off her campaign.”
Ward did not dispute the notion and said in reply: “I think they wanted to have a particular narrative that they hope is negative to me."
McCain died just hours after Ward’s Facebook comments.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/08/26/arizona-senate-candidate-suggests-mccain-timed-his-pre-death-announcement-hurt-her-campaign/?utm_term=.852f885bd0c1

BTW, Ward is a Trump sycophant. Y'all must be proud. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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13.1.12  Dulay  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @13.1.9    6 years ago

Talk about the ultimate petty insult.

Every other Federal flag in the Capital is at half staff.

Protocol is to keep flags at half staff until the one being honored is buried. 

Trump ordered the WH flag to full staff. 

What say all of you here who have voiced fake outrage at an article 'trashing' McCain? 

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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13.1.13  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Dulay @13.1.12    6 years ago
Protocol is to keep flags at half staff until the one being honored is buried. 

Trump ordered the WH flag to full staff. 

What say all of you here who have voiced fake outrage at an article 'trashing' McCain? 

Then there is this as well,

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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13.1.14  Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @13.1.8    6 years ago

... so you don't dispute the content in any way?

Just the poor manners?

OK. I agree that it would have been better to wait a day, and I agree that the content is exactly right.

We agree! Cool!   thumbs up

 
 
 
Dulay
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13.1.15  Dulay  replied to  Bob Nelson @13.1.14    6 years ago
Just the poor manners?

Yes, it's all about 'poor manners' by Vox but today the WH flag flies at full staff and not a word from the 'manners' police. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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13.1.16  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dulay @13.1.15    6 years ago
Yes, it's all about 'poor manners' by Vox but today the WH flag flies at full staff and not a word from the 'manners' police.

Good point.

Hey, HA!

What about the WH flag at full mast?

Are you condemning the White House for bad manners?

 
 
 
Spikegary
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13.1.17  Spikegary  replied to  Bob Nelson @13.1.16    6 years ago

Protocol is for half mast for 2 das, those days were saturday and sunday.

That being said, speaking ill of the dead or trying to politicize it to show distaste for the President is equally distasteful.  It shows what is wrong with society in this day and age.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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13.1.18  Skrekk  replied to  Spikegary @13.1.17    6 years ago
Protocol is for half mast for 2 das, those days were saturday and sunday.

That's true but recent custom for the death of a Senator has been to keep it at half mast until sunset on the day he's interred.    But since Trump didn't respect McCain at all there's no need for that.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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14  Colour Me Free    6 years ago
U.S. Flag Code states that flags be lowered "on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress." But presidents typically issue proclamations calling for flags to remain at half-staff until U.S. senators who die in office are buried.

I am going to go out on a limb and say this is a damn'd if one does, and damn'd if one doesn't kind of moments in history... there is nothing the current President can do to change the crap he said about Senator McCain - it is out there, and everyone knows that the president had no respect for the man now lying in State - so why would he issue a proclamation calling for the flag to remain at half staff, as that would show respect... thus being called phony and disingenuous …..!

Make up your minds people...

The Vox articles release timing was inappropriate, not inaccurate about Palin .. yet quite speculative regarding McCain paving the way for Trump by choosing Palin as a running mate (remember Obama won by a land slide having received 365 electoral votes to McCain's 173)  - I speculate Obama paved the way for Trump .. still mind boggling though

 
 
 
Dulay
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14.1  Dulay  replied to  Colour Me Free @14    6 years ago
so why would he issue a proclamation calling for the flag to remain at half staff, as that would show respect... thus being called phony and disingenuous …..!

It's called graciousness, a trait I have no doubt Trump is totally devoid of. 

Make up your minds people...

Yes, please DO. Please set a standard and hold EVERYONE to it, including Trump. Until y'all do that, there is no credibility in decrying the 'manners' of a publication. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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14.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @14.1    6 years ago

Can we all just be honest and admit that no matter what Trump would have said or done, some people would bitch about it?

Had he praised Mc Cain, I am sure many would have been screaming "Trump's a fake--everyone knows he hated McCain!"

So Trump sent a message of condolences to the family, and some are still bitching about that.

The Trump hatred is so all-consuming that it doesn't matter what he does--someone will bitch about it.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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14.1.2  Colour Me Free  replied to  Dulay @14.1    6 years ago
It's called graciousness

Agreed, yet one also knows well in advance not to expect such behavior from the current president - whether it be a quality he possesses or not … as he had zero respect for McCain.  'Ya'll' expect nothing more/less from Trump in any given situation, yet still decry his 'manners' .. doesn't it even get old?

Please set a standard and hold EVERYONE to it

Touche'? 

From some of what I have read, it is all things anti Trump day in day out - I think the definition of insanity is bound to fit in there somewhere .. same held true for former President Obama - the bashing was day in and day out!

 
 
 
Dulay
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14.1.3  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @14.1.1    6 years ago
Can we all just be honest and admit that no matter what Trump would have said or done, some people would bitch about it?
Had he praised Mc Cain, I am sure many would have been screaming "Trump's a fake--everyone knows he hated McCain!"
So Trump sent a message of condolences to the family, and some are still bitching about that.
The Trump hatred is so all-consuming that it doesn't matter what he does--someone will bitch about it.

Yes because Trump is all about how he 'looks'. Trump's detractors could just as easily read his tweet as "Trump's a fake--everyone knows he hated McCain!"

So why not take the high road? It would have cost Trump nothing.

Oh my bad, it's Trump. 

Trump had a choice: to be gracious and give McCain his DUE, or take his last chance to show his distain. I guess it wasn't quite enough the other day when he refused to say McCain's name when signing a bill named after McCain. 

One thing is clear, we should have no expectation that Trump will EVER 'rise to the occasion' under any circumstance.

 
 
 
Dulay
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14.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Colour Me Free @14.1.2    6 years ago
'Ya'll' expect nothing more/less from Trump in any given situation, yet still decry his 'manners' .. doesn't it even get old?

It isn't MY expectations Trump has to meet. The question is, is he meeting even the low expectations of the Americans that actually voted for him? What IS getting old is his sycophants normalizing his behavior. 

From some of what I have read, it is all things anti Trump day in day out - I think the definition of insanity is bound to fit in there somewhere .. same held true for former President Obama - the bashing was day in and day out!

The YUGE difference is that Trump ADDS shit to the pile, day in and day out. Obama, not so much. 

As for the definition of sanity, it sure as hell WOULD be insane to fail to hold Trump's feet to the fire because of his actions yesterday merely because we're overwhelmed by what he did today. 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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14.1.5  Colour Me Free  replied to  Dulay @14.1.4    6 years ago
The question is, is he meeting even the low expectations of the Americans that actually voted for him?

Gonna have to ask them Dulay .. as I honestly do not know, nor have a clue what his supporters expect from him nor of him - I am told he has accomplished several things that were expected of him .. not sure social graces was one of those things that were/are expect - I am going to take a wild guess and say that they are not!

The YUGE difference is that Trump ADDS shit to the pile, day in and day out. Obama, not so much.

What difference does that make? .. did not / does not change the reality of the daily bashings that were directed at Obama .. does it?

Either way Obama nor Trump is not the topic .. a poorly timed release of an article is the topic...  I strayed - as always .. my bad!

 
 
 
Skrekk
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14.1.6  Skrekk  replied to  Colour Me Free @14.1.2    6 years ago
From some of what I have read, it is all things anti Trump day in day out

There are rather good reasons for that, don't you think?    Just as an example one of our Fuhrer's latest statements was a threat to Canada: “The easiest thing we can do is tariff their cars coming in…it’s a very simple negotiation, it could end in one day.”

Apparently our Glorious Leader doesn't understand how tariffs or the car industry works, much less the fact that he's actually targeting the US car industry and US consumers for harm.   Either that or he thinks GM is a Canadian brand.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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14.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @14.1.3    6 years ago

For people with no expectations, it seems like many sure do have a lot of complaints that belie that statement of "no expectations"!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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14.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Skrekk @14.1.6    6 years ago

In America, much to your chagrin, I am sure, we don't have Fuhrers.

We have duly elected Presidents.

 
 
 
Dulay
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14.1.9  Dulay  replied to  Colour Me Free @14.1.5    6 years ago
as I honestly do not know, nor have a clue what his supporters expect from him nor of him

Well since it was his motto and I've seen it used here in support of Trump, the minimum they expected what for him to Make America Great Again. I wonder if they think that Trump's behavior is an example of MAGA. Judging from comments here, it seems they do. 

WE used to point to our best and brightest and say 'that kid could be president one day'. Now it seems that the standard for that high office has evaporated. Now that so many others aspire to 'walk in his footsteps' and 'WIN' by out Trumping Trump, it looks like it is a legacy that will haunt us. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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14.1.10  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @14.1.7    6 years ago

Just because one gives up on a leader doesn't mean they give up the right to bitch about that leader sucking. 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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14.1.11  Colour Me Free  replied to  Dulay @14.1.9    6 years ago

Perhaps true .. yet in my 52 years of life - I do not think I have seen the best and brightest run for President .. Obama was the first one that ran that had not been around for forever as a political fixture...

Now that so many others aspire to 'walk in his footsteps' and 'WIN' by out Trumping Trump, it looks like it is a legacy that will haunt us.

Only 2 years away from a Presidential election - remains to be seen what the (D)'s have to offer up as a candidate .. will that candidate be trying to out trump Trump?  If so that is not speaking very highly of the future .. tis a rather scary thought - thanks a lot Dulay, now I am really dreading the 2020 election cycle more than I already was

P.s...  I already had a debate over Make America Great Again .. it is not something that I buy into...

 
 
 
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14.1.12  Dulay  replied to  Colour Me Free @14.1.11    6 years ago
Perhaps true .. yet in my 52 years of life - I do not think I have seen the best and brightest run for President .. Obama was the first one that ran that had not been around for forever as a political fixture...

IMHO being around for a while isn't a bad thing. If nothing else, it gives you a reality check on thinking 'only I can fix it'. That's not how that shit works. 

I have to say that I think that we have had some of the best and the brightest.

Obama was an excellent POTUS though I wish that he had just gotten on with it and told the GOP to go fuck itself.

Carter was a good POTUS, despite his flaws and no one can say that he isn't bright. As for runners, Kerry comes to mind. And YES, I'm going to say it, Hillary Clinton. The more I see of Kasich, the more I like the guy, Bright, funny and principled. 

Look what the Tea Party smartasses did. They spewed a bunch of BS, got their butts in the seats and ended up being utterly incompetent and ineffective. That is of course unless that was their goal. 

I reminds me of some 20 year old coming in and telling me, 'hell, I can do that'. Then the second the customer comes out bitching about something or something goes south they run and hide in the fucking truck. It ain't just planting daisies buddy. 

Only 2 years away from a Presidential election - remains to be seen what the (D)'s have to offer up as a candidate .. will that candidate be trying to out trump Trump?

A 'Trumpian' Democrat is antithetical. 

If so that is not speaking very highly of the future .. tis a rather scary thought - thanks a lot Dulay, now I am really dreading the 2020 election cycle more than I already was

You're welcome, I think? 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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14.1.13  Colour Me Free  replied to  Dulay @14.1.12    6 years ago

I do not track articles Dulay .. so here it is 4 days later, I read a comment of yours from 'recent comments' click on it to see what is up and Ta Da here I am : )

I have to say that I think that we have had some of the best and the brightest.

Carter was / is a good man .. very caring and dedicated to what is important to him - definitely intelligent, 'most' individuals running for President are intelligent - yet that does not make them bright or insure that they have common sense.. 

I have a few very intelligent friends .. which have ivy league educations - top of their fields …… YET … one started a grease fire in the garage - first attempted to put the fire out with dirty shop rags, which provided fuel to the flames, then 'brightly' decided that only the fumes of gasoline were flammable, thus poured gasoline on the fire .. which only served to spread the fire ……………    this is kind of how I view presidential candidates...

Kasich .. I have been impressed with him for quite some time - he really gained my admiration for sticking to his principles and staying out of the fray in 2016 .. I am actually hopeful that he will toss his hat in the ring in 2020 as an independent (the republican party has left Kasich behind as it did McCain) there are times I wonder if there is a sign on the hill that says if you have principles and are disciplined you are not welcome here.

Aww yes, the Tea party was elected to do nothing - their job was to obstruct .. not Obama like everyone seems to think, but his policies that a swath of America wanted no part of - fundamental change stopped me in my tracks from voting for him .. not the same by any means .. yet evokes the same reaction from me as Make America Great Again does...  America has problems but 'changing' her is not the answer .. America is great .. 'making' her great again makes no sense..

A 'Trumpian' Democrat is antithetical.

HA!  Keep telling yourself that : ) and remember one cannot fight a grease fire with dirty shop rags and gasoline : )

Peace Dulay...

 
 
 
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14.1.14  Dulay  replied to  Colour Me Free @14.1.13    6 years ago

I didn't have an issue with Obama's 'fundamental transformation' comment because I viewed it in context:

"Now, Mizzou, I just have two words for you tonight: five days. Five days. After decades of broken politics in Washington, and eight years of failed policies from George W. Bush, and 21 months of a campaign that's taken us from the rocky coast of Maine to the sunshine of California, we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.
"In five days, you can turn the page on policies that put greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street before the hard work and sacrifice of folks on Main Street. In five days, you can choose policies that invest in our middle class, and create new jobs, and grow this economy, so that everyone has a chance to succeed, not just the CEO, but the secretary and janitor, not just the factory owner, but the men and women on the factory floor."

Then I watched the O'Reily interview where Obama was asked about it:

O’Reilly: "Mr. President, why do you feel it's necessary to fundamentally transform the nation that has afforded you so much opportunity and success?"
Obama: I don't think we have to fundamentally transform the nation.
O’Reilly: But those are your words.
Obama: I think that what we have to do is make sure that here in America, if you work hard, you can get ahead. Bill, you and I benefitted from this incredible country of ours, in part, because there were good jobs out there that paid a good wage, because you had public schools that functioned well, that we could get scholarships if we didn't come from a wealthy family, in order to go to college.                                 O’Reilly: Right.
Obama: That, you know, if you worked hard, not only did you have a good job, but you also had decent benefits, decent health care...
O’Reilly: They're cutting me off...
Obama: -- and for a lot of folks, we don't have that. We've got to make sure that we're doing everything we can to expand the middle class...
O’Reilly: All right...
Obama: -- and work hard and people who are working hard can get into the middle class.
O’Reilly: I think -- I -- you know, I know you think maybe we haven't been fair, but I think your heart is in the right place.

So I don't see Obama's 'fundamental transformation' statement as being ANYTHING like Trump's 'MAGA' campaign slogan. 

HA! Keep telling yourself that : ) and remember one cannot fight a grease fire with dirty shop rags and gasoline : )

Now that hurts Colour! It makes me think that you view me as someone with book smarts but without enough practical knowledge not to burn down my own garage. /s

 
 
 
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14.1.15  Colour Me Free  replied to  Dulay @14.1.14    6 years ago

Change We Can Believe In, was the former presidents platform in 2008 .. perhaps my comment regarding 'fundamental' change is not how 'change' was presented on a regular basis .. yet 'change' had to come to America in order to visualize what I thought Obama's view for the future of America was (I just could not get on board) 

I was naïve enough to have thought that the strong candidacy and later election of first mixed race President meant that the US had overcome the past ………. I could not have been more wrong - the past came roaring back like a heavily loaded freight train with no brakes rounding a hair pin turn at excessive speed ...… everything became racial .. (a subject for a different time)

I fought hard for my oldest son - he was so confused regarding where he fit in the 'race' of things … my view of the former presidents 'change' platform is probably a bit skewed …. (once again a subject for a different time)

..

Now that hurts Colour! It makes me think that you view me as someone with book smarts but without enough practical knowledge not to burn down my own garage. /s

Ummm no, not at all, but now that you mention it ………………  : )

That is my go to story when individuals get cocky - I will never forget that day, and when I handed him an extinguisher he looked at me like I had 3 heads .. needless to say .. he has threatened my life if I ever divulge his name .. lol

 
 
 
Dulay
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14.1.16  Dulay  replied to  Colour Me Free @14.1.15    6 years ago

You've mentioned your son's struggle here a couple of times. 

As a biracial person who grew up in a time when it was much more rare, I can relate to his struggle. I hope he comes to see that he can embrace both sides and integrate them in into one persona. I love sauerkraut and lumpia.  

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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14.1.17  Colour Me Free  replied to  Dulay @14.1.16    6 years ago

Thank you for your words of knowledge and understanding Dulay .. 

I think some of the turbulence is beginning to subside .. I will never stop fighting for nor supporting him - I want him to find peace within, pride in and love for himself once again.. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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14.1.18  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Colour Me Free @14.1.13    6 years ago

Well said. I only use my own tracker and that of the seeds I’ve commented on.  I don’t even go to or look at the front page.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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14.1.19  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Colour Me Free @14.1.15    6 years ago

Obama ran to relitigate the past, not to bring healing to it.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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14.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Colour Me Free @14    6 years ago
it is out there, and everyone knows that the president had no respect for the man now lying in State

And therefore if Mr. Trump had gone overboard and praised the hell out of Mr. McCain, they would have called him a liar and hypocrite and jumped on that bandwagon. You are correct. Damned if he did, damned if he didn't. He was better off with his generalization which he still catches flack for................

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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14.3.1  Colour Me Free  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @14.3    6 years ago

Being bashed as a narcissist for having a pic of himself on a tweet in honor of McCain and his family on another thread - there is nothing that will satisfy anyone on this subject    - Trump as a candidate disrespected McCain is a horrid fashion (I personally found Trumps words disgusting) and nothing changed in the past 2 years .. there is a celebration by some that Trump has been asked not to attend the funeral (banned if you will) -- yet still many feel the need to point out and question the Presidents lack of social skills and manners … ?  [another mind boggling thing]

The world is upside down already isn't it, after all it is the Trump Era, correct?.. or is it the Era of Trump?  Either way social graces are not the norm in this administration ….

 
 
 
Skrekk
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14.3.2  Skrekk  replied to  Colour Me Free @14.3.1    6 years ago
Either way social graces are not the norm in this administration ….

At least someone in the WH managed to convince Trump to issue a better statement and lower the flag after the VFW and the American Legion objected.

WASHINGTON — There was no way President Donald Trump could sustain a fight for long with the American Legion over Old Glory and Sen. John McCain.

He's hung his hat — politically and on policy — on being a champion for veterans. So while Trump could ignore the pleas of many Americans to honor the former prisoner of war, onetime Republican presidential nominee and 35-year veteran of Congress by ordering U.S. flags to fly at half-staff, he couldn't turn a deaf ear to the nation's most prominent veterans organizations.

It wasn't just the American Legion, which called on him to reverse his decision to keep the flag at its full position about an hour before he reversed course. Joe Davis, national spokesman for the Veterans of Foreign Wars, told NBC News that the group made a similar request to the White House via email Monday morning.

The pressure from the veterans groups had to make clear to Trump that it wasn't just a political loser for him to snub McCain but a threat to the brand he's tried to build by tying himself to America's passion for the military, its veterans and its flag.

Trump can't afford to have the nation's veterans turn their backs on him the way he turned his back — or held his flag at full-staff — to spite McCain. He needs to avoid angering them, both to protect his veterans agenda in Washington and for his re-election hopes.

McCain is not universally popular among veterans — and insulting McCain's service during the 2016 campaign didn't cost Trump the Republican nomination or the presidency — but turning the American Legion and Veterans of Foreign Wars into enemies would have been politically toxic.

Trump, who received educational and medical deferments from serving in the war that put McCain in a Vietnamese prison camp for five-and-a-half years, wants to throw himself a military parade in Washington in the midst of two wars that the U.S. has been engaged in for nearly two decades.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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14.3.3  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Skrekk @14.3.2    6 years ago

I think it was more of a fact that he looked at how many members are in those groups and, decided that he might need those votes in November and, IF he survives to 2020.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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14.3.4  Skrekk  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @14.3.3    6 years ago

I find it remarkable that ANY vets at all would support cadet bone spurs despite his pompous faux machismo and his warmongering, especially given how he treated McCain and several Gold Star families.   It shows how irrational Trump supporters are.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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14.3.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @14.3.3    6 years ago

Not only will Trump survive until 2020, he will win that year in a landslide.  Keep America Great!  

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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15  The Magic 8 Ball    6 years ago

  mccains staff urged lois lerners irs to go after conservative groups.

"audit so many that it becomes financially ruinous"

such a swell guy.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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16  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

This seed was about Vox and it’s article and the author who wrote it being rude and crude by speaking negatively about the dead within an hour of his passing. It was never about Trump.  Since now one will stay on topic and since the progressives are defending their publication by attacking Trump instead, the seed is now closed.  I’m going to reseed it in one of the groups.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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16.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @16    6 years ago

McCain was a great American.  He wasn’t always right on the issues but he was clearly a patriot.  And we all absolutely love Sarah Palin, who is also a great American.  

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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16.1.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  XXJefferson51 @16.1    6 years ago
McCain was a great American.  He wasn’t always right on the issues but he was clearly a patriot.  And we all absolutely love Sarah Palin, who is also a great American.

LOL.. I like you HA, really I do, But even when you start out on the right foot, ya seem to trip over some silly things like...  a palin. 

LOL... O-Well, To each their own !

Hope ya have a good day ! 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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16.1.2  lennylynx  replied to  XXJefferson51 @16.1    6 years ago

Uh, no HA, Sarah Palin is a babbling idiot like President Trump!  She has a nice ass though...

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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16.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  lennylynx @16.1.2    6 years ago

You’ve seen or touched it?  Face PalmLOL

 
 
 
Skrekk
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16.1.4  Skrekk  replied to  XXJefferson51 @16.1    6 years ago
McCain was a great American.  He wasn’t always right on the issues but he was clearly a patriot.  And we all absolutely love Sarah Palin, who is also a great American.

Interesting that neither McCain or his family wanted Palin at his funeral.    Apparently they don't have a high opinion of her.

 
 
 
lennylynx
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16.1.5  lennylynx  replied to  Skrekk @16.1.4    6 years ago

And no wonder, hooking up with Palin was a serious blemish on McCain's otherwise distinguished career.

 
 
 
lennylynx
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16.1.6  lennylynx  replied to  XXJefferson51 @16.1.3    6 years ago

Only in my dreams HA! Happy

 
 
 
Skrekk
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16.1.7  Skrekk  replied to  lennylynx @16.1.5    6 years ago
hooking up with Palin was a serious blemish on McCain's otherwise distinguished career.

Yep - there's a good chance that McCain would have been elected president if he hadn't hooked up with Palin and her dimwitted, bigoted and gullible supporters.

 
 
 
Dulay
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16.2  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @16    6 years ago

So you seed an article and decry that the author and publication 'trashed' McCain but Trump trashes McCain and not a peep. You lack of outrage for the disgusting actions of Trump is duly noted...

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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16.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @16.2    6 years ago

Cry me a river....crying

 
 
 
Dulay
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16.2.2  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @16.2.1    6 years ago

You have never earned a tear from me HA. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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16.2.3  lennylynx  replied to  Dulay @16.2.2    6 years ago

He's never earned a response from you either, but you are gracious enough to provide many.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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16.2.4  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @16.2.1    6 years ago

Oh look you're using the same emoji that I did when you flagged it. You should get a ticket, lol.

 
 
 
Dulay
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16.2.5  Dulay  replied to  lennylynx @16.2.3    6 years ago

Much to his chagrin.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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17  It Is ME    6 years ago

“McCain empowered a demagogue who put the Republican Party on the path to Donald Trump,” 

"McGann blamed McCain for the rise of Donald Trump’s political fortunes, arguing that choosing a “demagogue” like Palin opened the door for a reality show-esque presidential candidate."

The "Media" types  just can't put the blame where the blame is truly due.....can it. Face Palm

Barrack (Beer Summit) Hussein (Acted Stupidly) Obama...…...DUH ! crazy

 
 
 
Dulay
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17.1  Dulay  replied to  It Is ME @17    6 years ago

What I find it quite telling that I have NEVER seen one of y'all say that there is NO blame to be meted out because there is NO fault or wrong to be responsible for.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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17.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Dulay @17.1    6 years ago

Ditto !

When the bad guy? is in....Blame.

When the Good Guy? is in.....No Blame.

Depends on which side of the bed you woke up on...… and Ain't that a "Special" time ? 

I look at MY world.

I really don't give a shit about anyone else's "worldly" problem "THEY" create all by their little lonesomes.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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19  A. Macarthur    6 years ago

Vox and this seeded article aside, let's go right to the reality!

John McCain wanted Joe Lieberman as his V.P. running mate! 

It did not happen because McCain's plan to name Lieberman leaked out and the petty, ethnocentric Republican power broker, Carl Rove and others, sabotaged the naming of Joe Lieberman, not so much because he was not a Republican, but because he was Jewish!

Sarah Palin, an intellectual lightweight and nationalist, was both the worst possible choice, and, in fact, the prelude to Donald Trump!

The Republican party has marched into hell, sucked downward by Trump and a base with many haters like evangelical hypocrites who hide their white nationalism behind Jesus!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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19.1  Texan1211  replied to  A. Macarthur @19    6 years ago

"And in related news, this station has learned that the sky is indeed falling.  Run!!! Story at 11"

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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19.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @19.1    6 years ago

The seeded topic was about Vox and it’s attack upon McCain within an hour after his death last week.  That was it.  Nothing else.  Yet our progressive members abetted by a moderator like above have made the whole seed about Trump when the seeder specifically stated that Trump was off topic to the seed which was about the bad form of a specific media person and source and their attacking a man so soon after he died.  The liberals here moved heaven and earth to talk about anything and everything else and we’re titslly aided and abetted by moderation that disallowed virtually every seeder off topic flag.  You post is a perfect summation of the bulk of the replies to this seed.  Bravo.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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19.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  XXJefferson51 @19.1.1    6 years ago

I think I know who you speak of.

I have been a victim myself.

 
 
 
Dulay
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19.1.3  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @19.1.1    6 years ago

Did you flag Tex's comments about Trump too. /s

 
 
 
pat wilson
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19.1.4  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @19.1.1    6 years ago

The only attack having anything to do with McCain was on his decision to pick that half-wit ignoramus, Palin as a running mate. Many on the right have said that was one of the worst decisions he ever made. 

 
 
 
pat wilson
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19.1.5  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @19.1.1    6 years ago
titslly

Huh ? Are you voice texting again ?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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19.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  pat wilson @19.1.5    6 years ago

I haven’t ever tried it.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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19.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  pat wilson @19.1.4    6 years ago

And that attack should not have been made when it was.  That was the whole point of the seed.  

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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19.1.8  A. Macarthur  replied to  XXJefferson51 @19.1.1    6 years ago

The seeded topic is about an article that, whether or not it was timed in deference to McCain's death, was nevertheless positing a fallacious premise, namely, that McCain was responsible for choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate … HE WAS NOT!

I corrected the article's incorrect premise, A PREMISE UNFAIRLY CASTIGATING McCAIN, so, if anything, my comment goes after the article's content … CORRECTS IT -- and consequently, mine, unlike the article you seeded, is, in fact, in deference to McCAIN's passing; MY COMMENT IS KINDER AND MORE APPROPRIATE than the article you seeded! Not to mention, FACTUAL!

Sorry to gang up on the two of you … but whining "off topic" any time you don't like a comment is like crying "fake news" when the facts don't go the way one would like.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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19.1.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  A. Macarthur @19.1.8    6 years ago

I didn’t seed the Vox article.  That was done elsewhere by someone else.  I specifically seeded a Daily Caller article that was a critic of the Vox article and it’s author for the untimely hit piece they put out an hour after he died.  Had I seeded the Vox article which I clearly did not, you’d have a point.  I didn’t so you dont.  My seed was again the Daily Caller article that was critical of the Vox article and the critique of the Vox article by the Daily Caller article is all that is on topic here.  

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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19.1.10  A. Macarthur  replied to  A. Macarthur @19.1.8    6 years ago

You were correct to admonish Vox but did so only to bash a left leaning source ... if you truly intended to defend McCain and propriety, you’d have corrected the record with the facts ... but your objective was political rather than about journalistic ethics.

How Trumpian, especially since you used a right wing source to attack a left wing source without bothering to get the facts first!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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19.1.11  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  A. Macarthur @19.1.8    6 years ago

How much more clear can one get as to the topic than this:  http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/25/vox-tweet-delete-mccain-death/  

VOX PUBLISHES ARTICLE TRASHING MCCAIN MERELY AN HOUR AFTER HIS DEATH

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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19.1.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  A. Macarthur @19.1.10    6 years ago

So in other words I as the seeder based on the seed and it’s headline had no control over what was on topic for that particular article because you didn’t like it’s or my premise and you said so.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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19.1.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  A. Macarthur @19.1.10    6 years ago

Really?  What exactly did the Daily Caller get wrong in its critique of Vox and their article?  

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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19.1.14  A. Macarthur  replied to  XXJefferson51 @19.1.12    6 years ago

You could have justifiably agreed with the Daily Caller on criticizing the poor timing of the article, and, had you bothered to get the facts before just running with the bashing of Vox, you then could have bashed Vox and the Caller for failing to correct the record, letting it be known that McCain was not responsible for Palin being put in the V.P position!

But all you and the Caller cared about was bashing a left leaning source, and worse, pretending to give a fuck about Vox being disrespectful by publishing the story at the time of McCain’s death ... and the Caller doing the very same!

Ironic, disingenuous, political and oh so like Donald Trump! 

If you don’t or can’t grasp the facts of a given issue, at least have the intellectual integrity to not criticize someone who does ... and ... who posts the facts that you and the world of Trump conveniently evade, distort, misrepresent and or truncate for political effect!

 
 
 
pat wilson
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19.1.15  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @19.1.11    6 years ago

BUT THE ARTICLE WAS TRASHING PALIN !!!! 

How much more clear can one get

At least to a level that's coherent to eighth graders.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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19.1.16  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  pat wilson @19.1.15    6 years ago

The Vox article did.  The Daily Caller article didn’t and it was seeded.  

 
 
 
Skrekk
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19.1.17  Skrekk  replied to  pat wilson @19.1.15    6 years ago
BUT THE ARTICLE WAS TRASHING PALIN !!!!  How much more clear can one get

That's probably what got Cornhusker4Palin all riled up in the first place.     Very telling that even McCain and his family didn't want self-centered dimwits like Trump and Palin at the funeral.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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19.1.18  pat wilson  replied to  Skrekk @19.1.17    6 years ago

AMEN.

 
 
 
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