Trump Says He’ll Put Any Asylum Seeker From Migrant Caravan In ‘Tent Cities’
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Trump Says He’ll Put Any Asylum Seeker From Migrant Caravan In ‘Tent Cities’
Nick Visser, HuffPost 10 hours ago 
President Donald Trump said Monday on Fox News that he planned to put anyPresident Donald Trump said Monday on Fox News that he planned to put any members of the migrant caravan who apply for asylum into new “tent cities” that would be “all over the place,” sharpening his recent efforts to politicize the southern border ahead of next month’s midterm elections.
“We’re catching; we’re not releasing,” Trump said in the interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham . “So if they want to come over, we’re not even doing that. We’re not letting them into this country. If they apply for asylum, we’re going to hold them until such time as their trial takes place.”
The president said he would order the construction of tent cities that’d be “very nice.” But he said he wouldn’t spend “hundreds of millions of dollars” on “structures” to house anyone detained while awaiting the outcome of an asylum application.
“We’re going to put tents up all over the place,” Trump said, before noting that “they’re going to wait, and, if they don’t get asylum, they’re going to get out.”
This iframe is not allowedHis comments come amid nationwide attention over a 3,500-member migrant caravan that has traveled through Central America and into Mexico on its way to the U.S. border, where many people traveling in the group plan to apply for asylum after fleeing violence in Honduras. Trump said Monday he planned to deploy 5,200 troops to the region by the end of the week, even though the caravan itself, in which people are traveling mostly on foot, is weeks away from the border.
Critics have accused the White House of using the U.S. military to rally voters ahead of the midterms, especially since Republicans face a tough battle to retain control of the House of Representatives.
Clara Long , a senior researcher for the U.S. Program at Human Rights Watch, said the proposal sounded like a “very expensive disaster” in the making.
“Having manufactured a crisis around the caravan, Trump is now explicitly vowing to waste millions of dollars of taxpayer money on it. When it comes to children, immigration detention is never appropriate under human rights law,” Long said in an email to HuffPost. “The detention of asylum seekers should be avoided apart from short periods necessary for screening.”
Trump on Monday once again made baseless claims to Ingraham that many in the caravan were “bad people,” some of whom he said were “in gangs.” He’s repeated such refrains at campaign rallies in recent weeks, attacking his Democratic opponents as the “party of crime” and of open borders.
It’s unclear if his recent tent city proposal would be legal, and such a plan would likely provoke a fierce court battle.
In July, a federal judge barred the Trump administration from issuing blanket detention of asylum seekers and ordered they be freed while their applications were pending as long as individuals weren’t a flight risk or didn’t pose a threat to national security.
It’s becoming increasingly harder to be granted asylum in the United States, according to new Department of Justice figures released Friday. The agency is approving asylum cases at the lowest rate in almost two decades as the White House has moved to roll back the circumstances under which foreign citizens are able to apply for such protections, an analysis by BuzzFeed News found.
The Migration Policy Institute found just 33 percent of asylum applications had been approved in the 2018 fiscal year, down from an average of 44 percent to 55 percent under President Barack Obama. The last time the approval rate slipped that low was 1999.
The number of applications has increased dramatically, however, and more than 14,000 people were granted protection in the 2018 fiscal year.
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His comments come amid nationwide attention over a 3,500-member migrant caravan that has traveled through Central America and into Mexico on its way to the U.S. border, where many people traveling in the group plan to apply for asylum after fleeing violence in Honduras. Trump said Monday he planned to deploy 5,200 troops to the region by the end of the week, even though the caravan itself, in which people are traveling mostly on foot, is weeks away from the border.
Critics have accused the White House of using the U.S. military to rally voters ahead of the midterms, especially since Republicans face a tough battle to retain control of the House of Representatives.
Clara Long , a senior researcher for the U.S. Program at Human Rights Watch, said the proposal sounded like a “very expensive disaster” in the making.
“Having manufactured a crisis around the caravan, Trump is now explicitly vowing to waste millions of dollars of taxpayer money on it. When it comes to children, immigration detention is never appropriate under human rights law,” Long said in an email to HuffPost. “The detention of asylum seekers should be avoided apart from short periods necessary for screening.”
Trump on Monday once again made baseless claims to Ingraham that many in the caravan were “bad people,” some of whom he said were “in gangs.” He’s repeated such refrains at campaign rallies in recent weeks, attacking his Democratic opponents as the “party of crime” and of open borders.
It’s unclear if his recent tent city proposal would be legal, and such a plan would likely provoke a fierce court battle.
In July, a federal judge barred the Trump administration from issuing blanket detention of asylum seekers and ordered they be freed while their applications were pending as long as individuals weren’t a flight risk or didn’t pose a threat to national security.
It’s becoming increasingly harder to be granted asylum in the United States, according to new Department of Justice figures released Friday. The agency is approving asylum cases at the lowest rate in almost two decades as the White House has moved to roll back the circumstances under which foreign citizens are able to apply for such protections, an analysis by BuzzFeed News found.
The Migration Policy Institute found just 33 percent of asylum applications had been approved in the 2018 fiscal year, down from an average of 44 percent to 55 percent under President Barack Obama. The last time the approval rate slipped that low was 1999.
The number of applications has increased dramatically, however, and more than 14,000 people were granted protection in the 2018 fiscal year.
This is an invasion force that has no interest in other than invading the US
If they really wanted asylum, they all would have immediately taken Mexico's generous offers of jobs, free healthcare/housing/education, and legal status.
They are the choosiest of beggars. That's enough reason to deny asylum.
I've also seen photos and videos showing many of them with iPhones. Expensive electronics for "impoverished" folks.
Here's a photo from an earlier caravan.
The current caravan:
Maybe to be part of the solution rather than part of our problems?
There are drug gangs in the US too. Most are illegal immigrants from Mexico and you want to exasperate the problem....if the caravan goers were really oppressed and were offered jobs medical and housing they would take it.
The real images of the “peace loving women and children” NOT caravan
This is what the left is encouraging at our border
This is an invasion of our sovereignty as a nation. I support President Trump exercising his Constitutional powers by sending the military to stop this invasion. This is war
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion. Article 4 Section 4 US Constitution
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Then you're okay with Trump trying to single-handedly change the Constitution by Executive Order?
When did Trump declare war? Hell, he hasn't even declared a national emergency. BTFW, you should look up the Posse Comitatus Act.
So you think that asylum seekers are invaders? Why?
Hordes in the 1000s throwing rocks at border police in Guatemala and Mexico, tearing down border gates while carrying their Honduran flag. Those are violent invaders and should be stopped with deadly force if necessary
Killed one yesterday, so you have your wish...
Well then Trump better hire a shit load more CBP right quick.
You know this how?
Nope, as asylum seekers, under international law which we are signatories to, they have a right to go to a 'safe' place. Mexico is NOT safe. In FACT, Trump's state department just issued travel advisories for many parts of Mexico.
Facts matter.
The Posse Comitatus Act doesn't say a damn thing about 'operating against citizens'. Why post BS?
They would NOT be denied entry by the Military and NOTHING would be happening on 'American soil', would it XD?
Sure, Trump can pulled quite a bit out of his ass and enact Martial Law. I think a couple of states will have something to say about that...
Y'all are still FOR states rights, RIGHT?
The military along the border are NO armed.
Please point out HOW that definition is RELEVANT to our responsibilities under TREATY and UN provisions that the US is required to follow by international law.
Yes, your conveniently chosen definition doesn't reflect our responsibilities under the 1951 UN Refugee Convention.
Get educated.
That you are relying on wiki for your posit?
Actually, the War college makes that argument. You should READ their essays on the subject, I have.
We're not talking about "invaders"; there is LEGAL PROTOCOL FOR ASYLUM SEEKERS.
Trump and Fox and Stephen King and all the blowers of racist and xenophobic dog whistles have told and keep telling lies regarding the "caravan" (even, in their hatred and/or ignorance, claiming the caravan is bringing diseases like "small pox" which was eradicated years ago).
FYI:
Each year, thousands of noncitizens arriving at our border or already in the United States apply for asylum, or protection from persecution. Asylum seekers must navigate a difficult and complex process that can involve multiple government agencies. Those granted asylum have the opportunity to apply to live in the United States permanently, receive certain benefits, and be reunited with their family members. This fact sheet provides an overview of the asylum system in the United States, including how asylum is defined, eligibility requirements, and the application process.
What Is Asylum?
Asylum is a protection granted to foreign nationals already in the United States or at the border who meet the international law definition of a “refugee.” The United Nations 1951 Convention and 1967 Protocol define a refugee as a person who is unable or unwilling to return to his or her home country, and cannot obtain protection in that country, due to past persecution or a well-founded fear of being persecuted in the future “on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.” Congress incorporated this definition into U.S. immigration law in the Refugee Act of 1980.
As a signatory to the 1967 Protocol, and through U.S. immigration law, the United States has legal obligations to provide protection to those who qualify as refugees. The Refugee Act established two paths to obtain refugee status—either from abroad as a resettled refugee or in the United States as an asylum seeker.
What Are the Benefits of Asylum?
An asylee—or a person granted asylum—is protected from being returned to his or her home country, is authorized to work in the United States, may apply for a Social Security card, may request permission to travel overseas, and can petition to bring family members to the United States. Asylees may also be eligible certain benefits, such as Medicaid or Refugee Medical Assistance.
After one year, an asylee may apply for lawful permanent resident status (i.e., a green card). Once the individual becomes a permanent resident, he or she must wait four years to apply for citizenship.
What Is the Asylum Application Process?
There are two primary ways in which a person may apply for asylum in the United States: the affirmative process and the defensive process. Asylum seekers who arrive at a U.S. port of entry or enter the United States without inspection generally must apply through the defensive asylum process. Both processes require the asylum seeker to be physically present in the United States.
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Orders from Sessions to literally and physically block legal entry points as they apply to this protocol, forces asylum seekers to enter in "illegal" fashion thus making them "illegal" entries.
If we're going to have honest debate here, we need to cite facts, swallow the dog whistles, and, discuss what's real.
These people are currently approximately 900 to 1000 miles away from our borders and walking (not running) toward the U.S.
Why is walking in the direction of the border (from 900-1000 miles away, in Mexico, an invasion of our soverignty? That statement seems a bit paranoid, eh?
Trump Says He’ll Put Any Asylum Seeker From Migrant Caravan In ‘Tent Cities’
Ah yes, Mr. Trump ever the humanitarian
All "humanitarians" should be willing to invite a random "asylum seeker" into their own home. That way, no tents would be needed.
How many can we send your way?
May you never find yourself in a similar situation. Yes you may wave the flag of false bravado and say that this could and would never happen to you or yours, but something called random chaos might decide to change your situation in the blink of an eye.
How many can we send your way?
In truth had the government had the foresight (but that would require thought) to develop a system to integrate these folks into host families, as I am alone I would have taken a family in.
Someone in my family may one day find themselves in a like situation. I would like to think that someone would aid them as well.
E.A Interesting so can not find a needy family to assist? Strange!
If asked I would serve as they say, I am not altruistic I do not go looking to perform good deeds, just work on them as presented.
E.A Yes A Desire to Help all Illegal Activity, and Nothing Legal to Do!!
Truly Amazing!!
I understand what you are stating in saying this .. but what I do not understand is why the caravan is the US's responsibility - Mexico offered asylum .. from what I am hearing individuals are self deporting from the US because things in Mexico have improved so much..
Once one has been offered asylum, is not their 'situation' over? Are they not safe in the sanctuary that is Mexico? By pushing on through to the US, is not this 'caravan' becoming politically driven to force the hand of the US government?
I am interested in your opinion luther .. you seem to always maintain a thoughtful open mind...
Morning razing..
Our system is broken, and individuals are waiting 'in some cases' decades to come to the US legally - there are laws, guidelines on the correct way to enter the United States when seeking asylum .. overwhelming the border in order to force ones way in, is not one of those correct ways to seek asylum .. is it?
I do not call the caravan an illegal invading force - but I think it is already political fodder - there really needs be NO fear involved .. all in the caravan already know the current Presidents stand on immigration and illegals, so has it not been political from the start?
'And as a country that has always been 'humanitarian' in reference to those seeking asylum, it is a sad day when those who surrender themselves at our border in a desperate attempt to flee the violence and corruption in their homeland are met with armed troops. Our system is obviously broken, but to label all of the refugees as illegal, before the legal vs. illegal determination can justly take place, says all you need to know about our current state of affairs...fear (and the political opportunism fear evokes) rules the day.'
and the 'president' acts as though he is putting out a fire, which he started.
I know Sparty can speak for himself.
Good points as always .. until the term 'comprehensive' is truly embraced or eliminated from 'so called' immigration reform .. there will be no solutions, yet the laws already on the books can be enforced in the interim, can they not? .. I do not see much comprehensive anything coming from government .. certainly nothing broad based .. as you have stated, only "partisan sloganeering to address it"
I am still shaking my head over why congress has not gotten their act together and done something about DACA...
Thank you for your response luther, much appreciated
And .. the United States is a safe place? I suppose it is safer than Mexico, but if one reads the headlines about all the evil that the current president is causing - is the US the safest place for immigrants to come in the long run - or is the headlines hype and all is safe?
Congratulation … I love this country, and am particularly proud of my State .. I am 7th gen .. my great granddad being 2 years older than the state born and raised, his father, my great great granddad born in the territory, he was the 1st gen, my great great greats came from Germany on my mothers paternal side...
It is not my desire to deny anyone their opportunity to live in the United States, I just want people to come legally..
Is that the same as rinse, repeat?
The fog is lifting, I started my ballot last night .. still a couple of things I need to do a bit more research on before I can vote yes or no on the initiative - 'we' get these foreigners in my state, and they seem to think they know what is best .. all the while forgetting that they left a fuck'd up place [lot of East coasters] to move here and get away from the rats in the race .. but they want to drag their crap politics with them .. very irritating ..
Putting Soapbox away : )
The US takes in more immigrants and asylum seekers than any other country in the world. We've got nothing to apologize or feel sorry for. All we ask is that it is done legally. Much of the mob headed our way clearly has no intentions of being legal. Neither do the people behind it all. Too bad for the ones mixed up in this scam that honestly need asylum but there you go.
So i'll take that as a zero illegal immigrants for you. How kind of you.
Thats right. None. I don't support illegal activities like some here do. Simply because it suits their chosen narrative.
I'm all for and support LEGAL immigration/asylum 100%. Just not the illegal version like this mob headed our way. Clearly many involved have no intention of being legal. Otherwise more would have taken Mexico up on the offers for help, etc, etc.
Unfortunately i'm sure some of them sincerely could use asylum but they are being used by the powers that be. Including some of the geniuses here on NT. Shame on all of you.
Thats how it works. One can't be "legal" until they are determined to be so.
Ooo, that is what I forgot, the saddle.....
Peace my friend : )
My sentiments exactly.
Like you I'm a mixed bag. My dad's parents came through Ellis Island in the early 1900's. Legally. My mom's family has been here about 470 years. Legally? Well, American Indians might question the legality of ANY immigrants in the US. Ever.
That said trying to compare immigration today with that which occurred hundred(s) of years ago is a fools errand IMO. Early immigration was needed to grow a fledgling country. Not so much today. I'm not unsympathetic to the needs of the worlds immigrants and asylum seekers but the US can not be all things, to all peoples. Never could be. Not even hundred(s) of years ago.
And again, we take in more immigrants every year than any other country in the world. Have for a long time.
Perhaps, but i doubt it. The fact remains there is a legal process that must be followed to become legal. Do you get the impression that the mob headed our way has any interest in following that legal process? Not that i can see.
IMO this is simply extortion via immigration and negates any legal immigration process ever followed lawfully in this country. I mean why follow the rules? One can now just force their way in right?
It is not my desire to deny anyone their opportunity to live in the United States, I just want people to come legally..
I agree 100%, the fly in the ointment for asylum seekers is that the current process is too laborious and drawn out.
Both parties can shoulder the blame for this as the immigration system has been broken for quite some time and neither seem to have the political courage to sort it out. Yes we do currently have laws on the books (could have applied them over the years) which have been haphazardly enforced therefore rendering them functionally useless, but they remain outdated and out of step with the current world in which we live.
Since this seems to be one of the major bones of contention (along with the bone de jour), a slight hint for Congress would be to address this once and for all in 2019 no matter whom sits in the drivers seat at that time.
Thank you for the nice words by the by
And .. the United States is a safe place?
Almost forgot this one, yeah, makes one wonder:)
Interestingly this is not the first time something like this has happened in recent history. The Mariel Boat-lift dwarfed this one in shear numbers
That one was much more complex though because of our relationship with Cuba at the time. However, it was no less unpopular with many Americans.
Agreed … not sure there was actual immigration via Ellis Island back when my great great great came to Montana .. they came in through the north land and then down (Legally? on't know) … the story goes that they came via Russia headed south til they reach the plains of Southeastern Montana (hell the world may have been considered flat back then) .. yes, I have distant relatives in Alaska and Canada - one must sow a seed LOL
This is why I question turning down asylum in Mexico .. can an asylum seeker turn down asylum in hopes of getting asylum elsewhere - something about that does not see right...…...
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me .. I always have questions to ask - like what makes immigration laws so out of date for the current world … people are coming to the border crossing illegally for generations on foot .. there is said to be 2 more caravans forming behind the one coming...
perhaps if laws had been enforced the situation would be different - but ultimately it comes down to the US has always been a softy at heart .. and susceptible to being held hostage for being kind heartened it would seem...
Yep!
Thank you for the civil conversation … much appreciated
We all look at these things from our own perspectives and personal experiences. The system is broken, absolutely.
We have people all over the world in conditions which are arguably worse than what the folks in this human convoy are escaping. Again a human convoy will step to the front of the line, in front of folks who have patiently waited for years while living in war like conditions. Personally, that is a serious issue for my. So that is my perspective on this issue.
The most confounding thing is, one can offer exactly what has been suggested here; open your house to them, pay their travel and give them a place to live rent free until they can get on their feet. These are folks with advanced degree, sometimes multiple advanced degrees, but no go. These folks are not from a favored region. Thousands of offers have been made like this for thousands of these folks, but again, no go.
Remember the war in eastern Ukraine? Offers were made. Next to nothing was approved. This was serious fighting in civilian towns and cities and some of it is still going on today.
As examples, here is some viewing "entertainment" to give insight. Included is one from the Russian backed side. A lot of folks wanted and want out of there. Very few were/are given refugee status.
Some are a couple minutes. Some are rather long.
All these guys smoke too many cigarettes, don't they know rhat is bad for their health?
All killing, injury and death scenes are edited out.
Pick up at 6:20.
Anyhow, the system is broken. Folks trying to escape towns, cities and regions depicted above get pushed further back on the back burner every time our system is overloaded by groups such as what is approaching our southern border comes here. This is true even when there is a home with open doors waiting to accept someone they know.
You should learn a bit about the US' recent role in Honduras and Guatemala.
Here's a suggestion......how about we take full responsibility for the refugee crises we directly and indirectly cause, and take 100% of the refugees from Iraq and Syria? That would give other countries some capacity to help with other refugee crises.
You are going to have to re-frame your post as you quoted something that were not my words and addressed a specific topic I didn't speak to.
BTW, My cousin had some involvement in the Central America stuff.
You are welcome, happy to do so any time.
So i'll take that as a zero illegal immigrants for you. How kind of you.
Perhaps had not XDm9mm swooped into your query, you might have seen my response. A family is not a zero sum, that is unless new math has somehow become newer.
It's a bullshit question …
Thank you Dave for the links .. I think for many it is 'convenient' to forget about the conflicts around the world and the numbers of asylum seekers that are legally trying to come to the United States .. guess those knocking on the door and bullying their way in get the attention - even though they make no pretense of trying to come here legally.
I was going through some articles last night about the caravan, and read the words of some of those in the caravan .. there are individuals that closed the doors to their businesses in order to pack a bag and hurry to catch and join the 'convoy' as it rolled past their area .. some even purchased bus tickets in hopes of catching up to the caravan.
I know that the gangs are bad and lives are threatened all the time, but closing a business in order to seek asylum .. just does not seem to be what seeking asylum is all about .. then to be offered asylum in Mexico, but that is not good enough for these asylum seekers .. makes me question the purpose of this exodus in the first place … is the United States really all that safe, has anyone been reading the headlines lately? One must remember that the current President is destroying the country - why would anyone desire to be a part of a nation that the sky is falling in?
WTF are you talking about? NO ONE has 'overwhelmed' the border or forced their way in. Instead of sending in regular troops, Trump could send MORE asylum officers to the border to prepare for screenings. They could set up a system that put families with children in a separate line and run them through quickly.
Every one of them that present themselves @ a port of entry ARE seeking asylum 'the right way'. The fact is, Trump has his minions SLOW WALKING people, causing to spend days or weeks with their children @ port of entry, while the CBP use the excuse that there is a 'lack of space'.
So fine, Trump is sending regular troops down to the border. They have at least a month before the caravan gets to the ports of entry. I suggest that he have them start building tent cities to house asylum seekers while they wait to be interviewed by asylum officers. Get them through the port of entry fast, no more BS excuses.
This is an invasion of our sovereignty as a nation. Hordes in the thousands who throw rocks at authorities and tear down border gates while carrying their national flag are not refugees. They are invaders. I support President Trump exercising his Constitutional powers by sending the military to stop this invasion. This is war and sending our military to repel invaders is specifically authorized by the Constitution
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion. Article 4 Section 4 US Constitution
What do you know about the constitution pastor(?)?
Far more than most. I have a degree in history and have studied the Constitution, the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers, Justice Storey’s “Notes from the Constitutional Convention”, as well as the letters and articles on the subject from Madison, Jefferson, and other Founders for 60 years. I continue to do so every week.
You keep posting that BS yet you STILL don't have a clue what it MEANS.
You might want to look into what the military is ACTUALLY going to be doing at the border. It will burst your 'invasion' bubble. There is a seed right here on NT for your edification:
Yes I commented already about that fringe group of radical leftist Veterans, none of who has seen the standing orders given to the troops dispatched to the border.
But we do have the official Statement to these invaders from the Secretary of State
Yes, Trump is evil, and immigrants in caravans refusing asylum in another country need protection, that only the US can provide …
Individuals bitch continually about the evils of the current president .. the destruction of the United States by said president - the sky is falling everywhere - yet this nation with its violent racist masses is the best place for these asylum seekers?
Say it is not true .. no way, people may have to wait days or weeks to get into the US when other asylum seekers are waiting years? Ooo the humanity ..
yes, I am being flippant .. just in case any one was wondering!
WTF is 'radical' about Vote Vets?
BTW, since YOU haven't seen the 'standing orders' either, maybe you shouldn't be claiming that they're being deployed to 'stop an invasion'.
The SoS has NADA to do with troop deployments to the border.
I hope you don't expect a reply to that hyperbolic BS.
Asylum seekers do NOT wait for years for the USCIS to determine if they pass the 'credible fear test'. STOP the BS.
If you insist on being flippant, the least you can do is base it on FACTS.
It is easy to forget about many places, because these places are no longer high click topics.
Out of sight out of mind. It is a true saying.
Fighting in the east has increased quite a bit since Trump met with Putin. "We" have also pulled other support from Ukraine.
Eastern Europe has always been of little priority to the State Department, unless there is some political golden goose to be had.
Anyhow, my original point is and concern is, one moment you could be 50th in line and then all of a sudden you are 7050th in line. This is an ongoing thing putting you back to the end of the line. At least that is what I have noticed if you are from Eastern Europe. A couple masters degrees, working in a tech industry, means nothing.
This year started out with some good movement on the processing of applicants and that got shut down when Trump tightened the reigns on all immigration.
I take it you watched the vids? They are tame compared to what it was. It is going back to what it was.
There was an investigative report of some guy who tracked down an example of a Russian regular fighting in the east, while he was "on vacation". There was some heavy close in fighting in that vid. I'll try to find it, because that is what things are moving back to.
That's not "logic," it's an intentional bastardization of the reality that no one American's house is referenced via the inscription on the Statue of Liberty.
Is it really necessary to explain this?
Vote Vets is a leftist group by their own admission who's values are antithetical to those of most military veterans.
As to the deployment- here it is
No Mac, it's the central question. Nothing else can be decided until it is answered. If you are not personally willing to accept them living in your home, you have no right whatsoever to insist that the rest of us accept them in ours.
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Where did this happen?
Are you sure they were invaders of the U.S?
Imagine if they just accepted Mexico's offer
I know. Some did, and some even turned around and went back to their countries. I guess they got tired of carrying their iPhones and their own nations' flags in other people's countries.
But, there are several more caravans coming. They're very outspoken and demanding ... and they have a lot of medical, transportation, and food help. This obviously isn't over yet.
Fake news.
Those pictures were taken during the Obama years, but you will never see them admit it.
We cannot look at these statistics from 2016 and believe that we can operate as the Obama administration did. Something needs to be done to protect our borders...and Trump is doing just that.
They should be turned away until their applications for asylum are accepted.
Baseless?
The president of Guatemala was quoted in his nation's newspaper of record that approximately 100 ISIS members who were in the caravan were arrested.
There have also been many reports of MS-13 gang members in the caravan who have been arrested.
Did 'some people say'? (Lou Dobbs, perhaps?)
Why do you expect anybody to believe someone who LIES, literally every day? Why do you?
Why would you rely on biased links when there's factual US government evidence available? Here you go ...
Left-wing Snopes and NY Times claimed it was true, so it must be true!
I gave 3 separate sources, more can be found. But you all prefer to 'believe' prolific liars. Don't expect the rest of us to believe that crap coming from the group manipulating their base through fear. What is it exactly that sparks all that fear? From a group of downtrodden mostly women and children fleeing poverty and violence, still a thousand miles away. Why are we are paying for troops (before anybody arrives)? And you are fine with that ridiculous display for political points (yelling BOO at y'all)? I'm surprised how easy it was for conservatives to admit their cowardice, but I'm thinking they believe bluster shows strength instead of the insecurity it is meant to hide. (It doesn't, it highlights it)
You mean like these guys?
Oh. Some people swore by Pizzagate.
Oh dear god. Hilarious! Too damned funny, jaspe r . Why? Because of this ? You think it's left-leaning because it deals with FACTS. Something right-leaners play fast and loose with.
Cite .
This is how fair Snopes is:
Did you believe this as well? " Donald Trump drew 'the largest audience ever to witness an inauguration, period, both in person and around the globe.'"
Everything out of Fat Fuckabee's mouth is 'mostly false'
REPORTS from what source?
Donald Trump, FAUX Noise?
'There have also been many reports of MS-13 gang members in the caravan who have been arrested.'
Did they sneak in there amongst the Middle Easterners?
Wasn't that the dog whistle when Rump was tearing children away from their families and sending them to 'summer camps' per Laura Ingraham?
And of course he wouldn't lie, now would he?
Two days ago someone (apparently at the DoD) leaked the DOD's MLCOA assessment that there would be very limited criminal exploitation of the caravan and no terrorist infiltration. What they're really worried about are the white supremacists who will be operating in the same area and try to steal military equipment.
"Tent Cities" is just other words for "Detention Camps" and "Trumpism" is merely another word for "Fascism"! WAKE UP PEOPLE! White Nationalist are plainly NAZIS! America today is on the verge of something very dangerous. A Catastrophe! Vote Democratic next Tuesday like your lives depend upon it because they very likely do...
Despite your hysterics, I'll continue to vote for the party that respects American sovereignty and rejects political violence. Vote red.
Is that what they're calling nationalism these days?
You bet your ass I will! There is going to be a blue wave. Here's hoping it's a tsunami.
That's nice
Don't we already have enough problems?
Fox FAKE news is back to their old tricks. David Ward, seriously, no joke, said that these people have small pox, a disease that hasn't been seen since 1977. In fact, small pox was eradicated back in 1980 and no longer exists.
Once again, fox news lies to protect trump, and everyone else is fake news... Hilarious...
Fox did not make that statement. A guest did and Fox said hist accusation cannot be confirmed
Fox invited him to speak, so they endorse what he has to say. Keep spinning though.
Fox has invited hundreds of liberals to speak. Do you seriously think Fox endorsed all or the majority of them?
Oh those evil liberals... Well, Ward isn't a liberal. Sorry.
A shame the FOX hosts are all too dumb to know their guest was blatantly lying.
Do you think FOX will ever publicly state that they put on an uniformed guest who lied to their viewership in order to fear monger? Meanwhile the dimwit-in-chief will order 9200 shock troops from the CDC to line the border.
By the way the Nazis used similar memes about disease-ridden Jewish vermin as an excuse to exterminate them. This isn't exactly the first time right-wingers have used such offensive and moronic tropes.
I've heard certain posters referring to these migrants as vermin and disease-ridden.
No shit, my point was Fox doesn't endorse everyone they invite on one of their shows be it a conservative or liberal
The Nazi Party Program
In February 1920, Hitler presented a 25-point Program (the Nazi Party Platform) to a Nazi Party meeting.
In the 25-point program, Nazi Party members publicly declared their intention to segregate Jews from "Aryan" society and to revoke Jews' political, legal, and civil rights. Point 4 of the program, for example, stated that
"Only a national comrade can be a citizen. Only someone of German blood, regardless of faith, can be a citizen. Therefore, no Jew can be a citizen."
The 25 points remained the party's official statement of goals, though in later years many points were ignored.
Anti-Jewish Propaganda
Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda
Nazi propaganda often portrayed Jews as engaged in a conspiracy to provoke war. Here, a stereotyped Jew conspires behind the scenes to control the Allied powers, represented by the British, American, and Soviet flags. The caption reads, "Behind the enemy powers: the Jew." Circa 1942.
While there were other antisemitic political parties, only the Nazi Party succeeded in gaining a mass following. Nazi propagandists exploited pre-existing images and stereotypes to give a false portrayal of Jews. In this false view, Jews were an “alien race” that fed off the host nation, poisoned its culture, seized its economy, and enslaved its workers and farmers. The Nazis claimed that “race mixing” through marriage weakened Germany.
This hateful depiction, although neither new nor unique to the Nazi Party, became a state-supported image. As the Nazi regime tightened control over the press and publishing after 1933, propagandists tailored messages to diverse audiences. These audiences included the many Germans who were not Nazis and who did not read the party papers.
Public displays of antisemitism in Nazi Germany took a variety of forms, from posters and newspapers to films and radio addresses. Propagandists offered more subtle antisemitic language and viewpoints for educated, middle-class Germans offended by crude caricatures. University professors and religious leaders gave antisemitic themes respectability by incorporating them into their lectures and church sermons.
ADDITIONAL OUTSIDERS
Jews were not the only group excluded from the vision of the "national community." Propaganda helped to define who would be excluded from the new society and justified measures against the "outsiders."
As a German woman active in Nazi youth programs wrote in her postwar memoirs
“I became a National Socialist because the idea of the National Community inspired me... What I had never realized was the number of Germans who were not considered worthy to belong to this community.”
Poster promoting the Nazi monthly publication Neues Volk
Poster promoting the Nazi monthly publication Neues Volk . Jews were not the only group excluded from the vision of the "national community." The Nazi regime also singled out people with intellectual and physical disabilities. In this poster, the caption reads: "This hereditarily ill person will cost our national community 60,000 Reichmarks over the course of his lifetime. Citizen, this is your money." This publication, put out by the Nazi Party's Race Office, emphasized the burden placed on society by those deemed unfit.
IDENTIFICATION, ISOLATION, AND EXCLUSION
Propaganda also helped lay the groundwork for the announcement of major anti-Jewish statutes at Nuremberg on September 15, 1935—the Nuremberg Race Laws . The decrees followed a wave of anti-Jewish violence perpetrated by impatient Nazi Party radicals.
Two distinct laws made up the Nuremberg Laws. The Law for the Protection of German Blood and Honor prohibited marriage and extramarital sexual relations between Jews and persons of “German” or “related blood.” The Reich Citizenship Law defined Jews as “subjects” of the state, a second-class status.
Entrance forbidden to Jews
Entrance to the public baths in Wannsee with a sign stating, "Entrance to Jews is forbidden." Berlin, Germany, 1935.
The laws affected some 450,000 “full Jews” (defined as those with three or four Jewish grandparents and belonging to the Jewish religion), and 250,000 others (including converted Jews and Mischlinge, those with some Jewish parentage). Together they accounted for less than than one percent of the German population. For months before the announcement of the Nuremberg Laws, the Nazi Party press aggressively incited Germans against racial pollution, with the presence of Jews in public swimming pools becoming a major theme.
CONTROL OF CULTURAL INSTITUTIONS
Through their control of cultural institutions , such as museums, under the Reich Chamber of Culture, the Nazis created new opportunities to disseminate anti-Jewish propaganda. Most notably, an exhibition entitled Der Ewige Jude (The Eternal Jew) attracted 412,300 visitors, more than 5,000 per day, during its run at the Deutsches Museum in Munich from November 1937 to January 1938. Special performances by the Bavarian State Theater, reiterating the exhibition's antisemitic themes, accompanied the exhibition. The Nazis also associated Jews with “degenerate art,” the subject of a companion exhibition in Munich seen by two million people.
A later film of the same name contained notorious antisemitic sequences. These scenes compared Jews to rats that carry contagion, flood the continent, and devour precious resources. Der ewige Jude is distinctive for many reasons. It contained crude, vile characterizations made worse with its gruesome footage of a Jewish ritual butcher at work slaughtering cattle. It also included a heavy emphasis on the allegedly alien nature of the east European Jew. In one of the film's sequences, “stereotypical” Polish Jews with beards are depicted as shaven clean and transformed into “western-looking” Jews. Such “unmasking” scenes aimed to show German audiences that there was no difference between Jews living in east European ghettos and those inhabiting German neighborhoods.
Der ewige Jude ends with Hitler's infamous speech to the Reichstag on January 30, 1939: “If international Jewish financiers inside and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the…victory of Jewry but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe.” The speech appeared to be a sign of radicalization of the solution to the “Jewish Question” in the coming “ Final Solution, ” and provided a foreshadowing of mass murder.
Trump's Nationalism is George Lincoln Rockwell's Nationalism!
This time we'll hate, alright - but we'll hate the enemy - the vicious gang of colored scum attackers and Jewish-Communist traitors - rather than one part of our own people hating another part for the benefit of the Jews and their army of scum!
At least one has some decency …
Smith is a leftist and homosexual who no conservative watches
I understand you're opposed to "leftists" despite the fact that Smith works for the GOP's version of Pravda, but what exactly does his sexual orientation have to do with anything?
Are you perhaps admitting that LGBT folks (even those who work at FOX) have been subjected to the same sort of irrational persecution which refugees have? Who do you think is responsible for persecuting gays to such an extent that even those who work for a far right wing extremist network can empathize with refugees?
bout time... was my thoughts about 30yrs ago.
BTW by walking past Mexico and not accepting their offer of asylum, they have refused the first "safe country" and no longer qualify for asylum here.
ya do not get to shop around for a safe country....
open and shut case.
the extreme vast majority of these folks will not be staying long.
tents will do.
cheers
They won't be staying in tents long...they will be gone into the shadows soon. With sanctuary cities and states, they can pick their favorite destination.
Nope dude, just because Mexico offered, doesn't mean they have to accept. They still qualify for asylum.
just saying . . .
cheers
beggers don't get to be choosers
Your comments sound more than a little xenophobic.
why should beggers get to be choosers?
Your comments sound a bit bigoted.
Who are refugees and displaced persons?
They are men, women and children fleeing war, persecution and political upheaval. They are uprooted with little warning, enduring great hardship during their flight. They become refugees when they cross borders and seek safety in another country. They are displaced when they are forced to flee their homes, but remain within the borders of their native country.
The 1951 United Nations Convention relating to the Status of Refugees, as amended by its 1967 protocol defines a refugee as a person who "owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality, and is unable to or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country..."
What is the difference between a refugee and a migrant?
Refugees are forced to flee their homes and seek safety in another country, often times without warning. Migrants are people who make a conscious decision to leave their countries to seek a better life elsewhere.
There is no right to be granted asylum nor do you have the right to choose your country of asylum
You cannot change the constitution with an executive order. Spin all you want, but that's a fact.
KELLYANNE CONWAY'S HUSBAND CALLS TRUMP'S PLAN TO END BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP 'UNCONSTITUTIONAL' IN OP-ED
So?
If you're so obtuse as to have to ask that question, it's likely your also too obtuse to understand or care about the answer.
Again....So?
IF you have already been granted asylum in a SAFE country, you have no right to seek asylum elsewhere.
Mexico in NOT a safe country, our own State Dept. says so. Nor is Mexico a 'safe third country' our own DHS says so.
First of all they do not meet the UN criteria of refugees
“The 1951 United Nations Convention relating to the Status of Refugees, as amended by its 1967 protocol defines a refugee as a person who "owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality, and is unable to or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country..."
What is the difference between a refugee and a migrant?
Refugees are forced to flee their homes and seek safety in another country, often times without warning. Migrants are people who make a conscious decision to leave their countries to seek a better life elsewhere.”
secondly hordes who approach borders with violence including tearing down border gates and throwing rocks at police as these have while displaying their national flag are invaders and need to be met with military force as invaders
I wonder if you'd feel the same if these were white English speaking Christians fleeing religious persecution in South America. The vast majority of those in the caravan are families fleeing gang violence, fleeing military conflicts and running from violence at the hands of their own governments.
Yes I would feel the same. The rule of law stands against foreign invaders
So, why bring problems here? Safety, security, happiness and prosperity of US Citizens comes first
The Constitution of The United States stands with birthright citizens...
If that is true then why is the damn gop trying to gut healthcare, social security and Medicare? Why is the damn gop perpetuating a system when Americans must pay twice as much total per citizen for basic healthcare while getting much worse results in order to line the pockets of big rich insurance and drug companies? Why is Trump wasting money on a dumb wall while our veterans go without? Why are our troops preparing to fire on poor refugees fleeing druglords and deadly cartels instead of fighting drug lords and violent cartels? Any good answers to any of that? Who said, "I was a refugee and you welcomed me. For verily I say whatever you do for the least among us you do for me"? Do only the white people whose forbearers stole this land and decimated its Natives deserve refuge and compassion here in the United States of America?
letting foreigners in just adds to problems and takes away resources that could be used there
FALSE!
93% of the last group qualified under the 'credible fear test' conducted by the USCIS.
only if they reside here...
people just showing up at the border? do not "reside here by any definition of the word.
the future supreme court decision will explain it better than I can
you will hear them talk about "intent" and that it was intended for the black community after the civil war. not illegal entry's.
trumps EO will birng a supreme court case and when it does you will find the "intent of the 14th has nothing to do with illegals crossing our border.
I'm pretty sure that there is documentation that refugees that we've taken in over the decades have proven themselves assets...
What evidence do you have that those who are given refugee status 'bring problems'?
arrest records...
You know that we are talking about people from South America right?
changes nothing... one shithole is like another.
people from shit hole countries bring their shithole values with them regardless of what shithole they come from/.
they let their country and govts go to hell, why would we want them to shithole our country as well?
you saw their shithole mentality and how much they respect laws when they forcibly crossed into mexico.
knowing they can legally ask for asylum at any of our embassies ---
how many embassies do they walk past getting here?
That's what they said about the Irish and Italians...
did the italians and irish follow our immigration laws? of course they did.
and that is probably why we did not refer to the italians and irish as illegals... LOL
the real question is:
did those italians and irish you speak of apply for asylum? or simply immigrate here legally?
cheers
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Myths about immigration and immigrants are common. Here are a few of the most frequently heard misconceptions—along with information to help you and your students separate fact from fear.
When students make statements that are unfounded, one response is to simply ask, "How do you know that’s true?" Whatever the answer—even if it’s "That’s what my parents say"—probe a little further. Ask, "Where do you think they got that information?" or "That sounds like it might be an opinion, not a fact." Guide students to find a reliable source for accurate information and help them figure out how to check the facts.
1. Most immigrants are here illegally.
With so much controversy around the issue of immigrants who are undocumented, it’s easy to overlook the fact that most of the foreign-born people living in the United States followed the rules and have permission to be here . Of the more than 43 million foreign-born people who were living in the United States in 2014, around 44 percent were naturalized U.S. citizens . Those who were not naturalized were either lawful permanent residents, also known as green-card holders ( 27 percent of all foreign-born people), or immigrants who were unauthorized (some 11 million people, representing 25.5 percent of all foreign-born people). Although it is not known exactly what percentage of that 11 million originally entered legally with valid visas and let their visas expire (experts estimate it to be approximately 40 percent ), it is known that—by far—the nation with the most visitors who do not leave at the end of their authorized stays is Canada .
2. It's easy to enter the country legally. My ancestors did; why can’t immigrants today?
If you hear students making this statement, ask them when their ancestors immigrated and if they know what the entry requirements were at the time. For about the first 100 years, the United States had an " open immigration system that allowed any able-bodied immigrant in," according to immigration historian David Reimers. Back then, the biggest obstacle that would-be immigrants faced was getting here. Some even sold themselves into indentured servitude to do so. Today, however, many rules specify who may enter and remain in the country legally. There is also a rigorous process for obtaining documentation to enter the United States as a resident, including applying for immigrant visas and permanent resident/green-card status. Many students’ immigrant ancestors who arrived between 1790 and 1924 would not have been allowed in under the current policy. Generally, permission to enter and stay in the country as a documented immigrant is limited to people who are highly trained in a skill that is in short supply here and have been offered a job by a U.S. employer, are escaping political persecution, are joining close family already here or are winners of the green-card lottery.
3. Today's immigrants don't want to learn English.
While most first-generation immigrants may speak their first language at home, 35 percent of those age 5 or older speak English “very well” and 21 percent speak it “well,” according to the U.S. Census Bureau . Nearly 730,000 people became naturalized citizens during the 2015 fiscal year. They had to overcome such obstacles as traveling to the United States, finding a job, tackling language barriers, paying naturalization and lawyers’ fees and dealing with an ever-changing immigration bureaucracy. Immigrants must speak, read, write and understand the English language, not only for the naturalization application process, but also so they can pass a 100-question civics test that has both oral and written components.
It’s also worth discussing with students that the current demand for English instruction is greater than the services available in many parts of the country. Also explore with them false assumptions about “today’s” immigrants versus those who arrived in prior generations. For example, ask students to find out how long it took their ancestors to stop using their first language. “Earlier immigrant groups held on to their cultures fiercely,” notes Reimers. “When the United States entered the First World War [in 1917], there were over 700 German-language newspapers. Yet German immigration had peaked in the 1870s.”
4. Immigrants take good jobs from U.S. citizens.
Ask students what kinds of jobs they think immigrants are taking. According to the American Immigration Council , a nonpartisan group, research indicates there is little connection between immigrant labor and unemployment rates of native-born workers. Two trends—better education and an aging population—have resulted in a decrease in the number of workers born in the United States who are willing or available to take low-paying jobs. Across all industries and occupations, though, immigrants who are naturalized citizens and non-citizens are outnumbered by workers born in the United States ( see Table 1.7 ).
Another version of this myth is that it is undocumented immigrants who are taking jobs. However, the U.S. civilian workforce included 8 million unauthorized immigrants in 2014, which accounts for only 5 percent of the entire workforce. Compared with their small share of the civilian workforce overall, immigrants without authorization are only overrepresented in service, farming and construction occupations ( see Table 1 ). This may be due to the fact that, to fill the void of low-skilled U.S. workers, employers often hire undocumented immigrant workers . One of the consequences of this practice is that it is easier for unscrupulous employers to exploit this labor source, paying immigrants less, refusing to provide benefits and ignoring worker-safety laws. On an economic level, U.S. citizens benefit from relatively low prices on food and other goods produced by undocumented immigrant labor.
5. “The worst” people from other countries are coming to the United States and bringing crime and violence.
Immigrants come to this country for a few primary reasons: to work, to be reunited with family members or to escape a dangerous situation. Most are couples, families with children, and workers who are integral to the U.S. economy. Statistics show that immigrants are less likely to commit serious crimes or be behind bars than native-born people are, and high rates of immigration are associated with lower rates of violent crime and property crime. For instance, “ sanctuary counties ” average 35.5 fewer crimes per 10,000 people compared to non-sanctuary counties. This holds true for immigrants who are documented and undocumented, regardless of their country of origin or level of education. In other words, the overwhelming majority of immigrants are not “criminals.”
According to the American Immigration Council: “Between 1990 and 2013 the foreign-born share of the U.S. population grew from 7.9 percent to 13.1 percent and the number of unauthorized immigrants more than tripled. ... During the same period, FBI data indicate that the violent crime rate and property crime rate declined 48 percent ... [and] 41 percent [respectively].” The truth is, foreign-born people in the United States—whether they are naturalized citizens, permanent residents or immigrants who are undocumented—are incarcerated at a much lower rate than native-born Americans.
6. Undocumented immigrants don’t pay taxes and burden the national economy.
Ask students to name some ways U.S. residents pay taxes. They might come up with income tax or sales tax. Immigrants who are undocumented pay taxes every time they buy taxable goods such as gas, clothes or new appliances (depending on where they reside). They also contribute to property taxes—a main source of school funding—when they buy or rent a house or apartment. A 2017 report from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy highlights that undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.74 billion in state and local taxes a year. The U.S. Social Security Administration estimated that in 2010 undocumented immigrants—and their employers— paid $13 billion in payroll taxes alone for benefits they will never get. They can receive schooling and emergency medical care but not welfare or food stamps. Under the 1996 welfare law , most government programs require proof of documentation , and even immigrants with documents cannot receive these benefits until they have been in the United States for more than five years.
7. The United States is being overrun by immigrants like never before.
From 1890 to 1910, the foreign-born population of the United States fluctuated between 13.6 and nearly 15 percent ; the peak year for admission of new immigrants was 1907, when approximately 1.3 million people entered the country legally. In 2010, about 13 percent of the population was foreign-born ( see Table 1 ). Since the start of the recession in 2008, the number of immigrants without documentation coming into the country has fallen each year and, in more recent years, the number has stabilized . Many people claim that immigrants have “anchor babies”—an offensive term for giving birth to children in the United States so that the whole family can stay in the country (and a narrative that contributes to the myth that the immigrant population is exploding).
According to the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, a child born on U.S. soil is automatically a U.S. citizen. However, immigration judges will not keep immigrant parents in the United States just because their children are U.S. citizens. In 2013, the federal government deported 72,410 foreign-born parents whose children had been born in the United States. U.S. citizens must be at least 21 before they can petition for a foreign-born parent to receive legal-resident status. Even then, the process is long and difficult. In reality, there is no such thing as an “anchor baby.” The vast majority of the 4 million immigrant adults without documentation who live with their children who were born in the United States have no protection from deportation.
8. We can stop undocumented immigrants coming to the United States by building a wall along the border with Mexico.
Ask students, “How do you think immigrants come to the United States?” Immigrants who enter the United States across the United States-Mexico border without authorization could be from any number of geographical areas. The majority of unauthorized immigrants in the United States are from Mexico, but their estimated number—5.8 million in 2014— has declined by approximately 500,000 people since 2009. In 2014, 5.8 million Mexican immigrants were living in the United States without authorization, down from 6.9 million in 2007. Additionally, the number of immigrants from nations other than Mexico who are living in the United States without authorization grew to an estimated 5.3 million in 2014. Populations of immigrants who are undocumented increased from Asia, Central America and sub-Saharan Africa. So, a wall along the border with Mexico would not “stop” undocumented immigrants from coming to the United States. Building a wall or fence along the entire Mexico border is unlikely to prevent unauthorized entry . Details aside, history has shown that people have always found ways to cross walls and borders by air and sea as well as over land.
9. Banning immigrants and refugees from majority-Muslim countries will protect the United States from terrorists.
A recent executive order, issued by President Donald Trump in March 2017, blocked the entry of citizens from six Muslim-majority countries for 90 days, ostensibly to protect Americans from terrorism. The title of this executive order, " Protecting the Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry Into the United States ," seems to equate the people most affected by the ban—Muslims—with the term foreign terrorists , implying that barring Muslims from entry would protect the United States from harm. However, between 1975 and 2015, no fatalities have been committed in the United States by foreign-born extremists from the countries covered by the executive order. According to Alex Nowrasteh, an immigration expert at the Cato Institute, “[Between 1975 and 2015], the annual chance of being murdered by somebody other than a foreign-born terrorist was 252.9 times greater than the chance of dying in a terrorist attack committed by a foreign-born terrorist.”
10. Refugees are not screened before entering the United States.
Ask students what the screening process is for refugees. Refugees undergo more rigorous screenings than any other individuals the government allows in the United States. It remains an extremely lengthy and rigorous process , which includes multiple background checks; fingerprint tests; interviews; health screenings; and applications with multiple intelligence, law enforcement and security agencies. The average length of time it takes for the United Nations and the United States government to approve refugee status is 18 to 24 months.
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“Vermin,” “Disease”
Nazi propagandists built on existing stereotypes and antisemitic beliefs to directly link Jews to the spread of disease and pestilence. As part of their racial campaign to “cleanse” society, Nazi leaders implemented “racial hygiene” policies to “protect” non-Jews. For example, in occupied Poland, the Nazis reinforced their policy of confining Jews to ghettos by portraying them as a health threat requiring quarantine, while creating a self-fulfilling prophecy by severely limiting access to food, water, and medicine to those imprisoned there. German “educational” films shown to thousands of Polish school children characterized “the Jew” as a carrier of lice and typhus.
Clueless about immigration law I see...
Not hard to follow a nonexistent law.
Your comment didn't say anything about 'illegals'. You said people from shithole countries bring shithole values. That's what was said about the Irish and Italians.
Again, your comment shows ignorance of the history of immigration law.
I know about elis island.
or did the irsh and italian migrations here happen across our southern border and everyone just missed it but you?
Do you? Then why the ridiculous questions?
Since the southern border was OPEN at the time, it wouldn't have mattered if they had. Get educated.
"Mexico in NOT a safe country, our own State Dept. says so. Nor is Mexico a 'safe third country' our own DHS says so. "
So Mexico is a shithole?
If that is your label for countries that are on the State Depts. 2018 travel advisory list, then you should review the 5 pages worth of countries that qualify for your label of 'shitholes'. Israel, Japan and the UK are on that list BTFW.
Well said. Despite the liberal lies about these people, they have no legal standing, especially after refusing asylum in Mexico. The left is only looking for future votes.
what are supporters of this group willing to give up?
Tax cuts for the wealthy and multinational corporations plus one battleship...
No law passed by the gop or order signed by Trump trumps our Constitution.
what will you personally give up?
Will you give up open space for your birthright descendants?
The Battleships have all been retired
I answered your question already you just didn't like my answer. Contrary to rightwing memes immigrants have been proven over and over by study after study to be contributors to all ours prosperity. Immigrants are a net gain to our economy so we aren't giving up squat by welcoming them. It is plainly wrongheaded, shortsighted and sadly ignorant to believe otherwise...
That was when we had space to take them
There's plenty of room in the rural red states.
ah yes, the liberal strategy of taking things from one group and giving them to another... so you aren't willing to give anything personally?
What evidence is there that anyone needs to give up anything?
people crossing our border are coming to take our place and our stuff
Total BULLSHIT!
Complete and utter bullshit. Trying to take 'your place and your stuff?' What the hell does that mean?
It's just fearmongering regurgitation.
why else would they be coming?
You still haven't answered the question. What 'place'? What 'stuff'?
They are refugees fleeing for their lives from the cartels that killed their families and friends and who force their sons into servitude and their daughters into prostitution...
The people who are coming here to take the good jobs and bid up the price of prime real estate are not poor brown people from south of our border. They are mostly rich Arabs, Chinese, eastern Europeans and Russians...
If you are worried that poor fruit picking and house keeping refugees from war torn countries are going to take your job and price you out of the home market then maybe it is you who needs to immigrate to some place with much better opportunities...
Overcrowding is a problem
anything they can. They will demand government aid soon as they get here, that take resources away from the people who paid taxes and deserve that money spent on them.
They are coming because they want what we have and if you don't protect your position and stuff you will end up with less
them we should halt all immigration and build from within
Again, no answer
Anything they can is not an answer.
How do you know they will demand government aid?
Again, what 'position' what 'stuff'.
More BULLSHIT.
Doesn't matter. We are not going to let these invaders into our country
and thankfully the military is stepping up to ensure that they don't
In a short while as the caravan(s) get to our border it will depend on what happens.
I think it will matter a great deal if we start seeing much bloodshed on national TV.
This is going to be interesting and another test of president trump’s hard-line policies. I wonder if all the details are worked out this time ? I personally doubt it, we may see another total mess like trump’s instantaneous zero tolerance immigration policy a few months ago.
If anything those troops are primarily there to set up the tent cities as they are most likely the best resources for unpacking the assemblages containing tents and other needed materiel. Most likely a few Log Dogs to help coordinate and track the activity.
If anyone bothered to listen to General O' Shaunessy, there are numerous logistical troops being deployed including Construction Battalion units to harden the borders against any possible invasion.
O I'm sure all the details have been worked out and everything will go off without a hitch. President trump's immigration policies are always so well thought out.
LOL
hey, the CB's are in town... those are my brothers with other mothers
sw2 here
as another poster told me above in 17.1.2 I answered but you did not like my answer
See if this satisfies you, every new person let in takes a share of the pie so that makes our part a tiny bit smaller, that's our place and stuff. Citizens are slowly being pushed aside and replaced.
US population needs to go down to a level that is sustainable by both lower birthrate and very little coming in from outside
they are wanting stuff in Mexico
Our military is pretty good at planning. You act like our military consist of blood hungry militants. If you have been reading the news....they are there for support.
I see nothing wrong with using their specific talents and resources to help with the processing of thousands of people invading our country.
I didn't say that. As I wish of others, please do not read beyond my words. I don't play games.
What's that old Popeye quote? I said what I meant and I meant what I said.
They are there to help keep the immigrants out. With thousands of desperate people trying to get in and thousands of armed repealers trying to hold the out, time will tell what happens.
Yep You didn't say that... I DID. and No game, truth.
I'll say it again, and laugh again.
"President trump's immigration policies are always so well thought out."
LOL
CB's thrive on being cross-trained.
it's good fun
the difficult we do at once, the impossible takes a minute longer.
And how are they going to that? Shoot them.
The military presence may deter some, but any who make it on to our soil will be detained and processed. Since thousands are coming we need to be prepared for that. I know...a President is actually preparing...who da thought?
and every year that "pie"gets large r as well. Every year more wealth is created, more food is grown and more stuff is built. But more people, more problems, more laws and yes more government at more cost happens as well. But "the pie" does get larger as well.
Perhaps they are between jobs ?
I'm not advocating for illegal immigration, but having needed to relocate myself several times to have what I needed in life I do understand their plight.
What 'stuff'?
With thousands of desperate people trying to get in and thousands of armed repealers trying to hold the out,
It would not surprise me if everything does not go off well.
time will tell what happens.
Me either, I do question the details. From what I've seen trump is good at seeing the big picture most of the time but he sorely lacks detailed planning. Unfortunately the best laid plans are many time tworted by the details screwing everything up.
Just look at the last mess trump's instantaneous immigration zero tolerance policy implementation had. I think we're still paying to clean that one up.
Details matter hopefully our president has learned that, But I kinda doubt he has. We'll see.
I see 3 prongs to this this situation. Logistics, Construction and Overwhelming show of force.
The concern is, will the overwhelming show of force contain these large groups, which are predominantly working age males, in a controlled manner through the processing area and into the tent cities in a manner in which all hell doesn't break loose?
Keeping in mind there are 2 sides to that coin.
Nobody needs all hell to break loose.
Then I need to ask, what did any of that have to do with my original post?
Reported by Associated Press and printed in local paper yesterday, they are demanding transportation. (there was no link available on paper's website)
Oh okay, so that's all the 'stuff' they were asking for, transportation, got it.
Still nonsense, no matter how you slice it.
As in, not at all.
why do you like them so much?
'why do you like them so much?'
like 'who' so much?
Interesting.
Three posts in this article now directed at a post of mine, yet addressing nothing I ever said.
I'm really offended by that word 'invading', these are people seeking asylum, and its been happening forever. Let their cases be heard. Instead Trump is thwarting even legal entry points. Its just so inhumane, so mean, and so racist. We can't let this hateful narrative go unchallenged. We have Trump provoking fear and hate amongst his base every day. He lies, every day. His supporters take up his talking points, rightwing propaganda outlets amplify it (with help from Russian bots and trolls), and the base becomes afraid. It's really pathetic to watch them so easily manipulated. Like it or not, last week's racist violence is related to this fearmongering. Might not be directly, but this disgusting rhetoric coming from the top is not good for the country. And needs to stop.
"Immigrants are essential to economic growth in America. That is the conclusion of a recent report on The Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration released by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS)."
I know its counterintuitive, but bringing in more people is GOOD for our economy, there is no "space" shortage in America. In fact, many rural areas have been drying up. Yes, some of our big cities are getting even bigger and space is at a premium, but there is plenty of space to expand into in the "fly over" country. And now with being able to work in the tech industry from virtually anywhere, we need to attract more companies who require a large workforce moving into the population deserts that had been dragging our nation down instead of being a booming GDP engine.
Pretty much every economist agrees, we need MORE people coming in to the US to really grow financially. And more people equals more consumers which is one of the United States greatest assets, our huge consumer base.
So really, every new person in grows the pie, the majority contributing more than they take, making the pie larger for everyone.
No they are not, so no reason to be offended. The Mexican government offered all of them a safe haven, shelter, food, etc. and they refused.
the group coming through Mexico wanting to cross our border
if you are a US citizen it makes a difference here
Why would I dislike them? Why do you dislike them?
You stated; ”If anything those troops are primarily there to set up the tent cities… ….”
I disagreed stating they are there to help stop the immigrants from entering.
Then I went on to state I wonder if the details of this immigration policy is any better worked out that trumps last one …
And here we are
So what?
That's the natural flow of conversations on here. What you said lead to what I said that lead to what they said.
I see it all the time on my own posts.
Thus why I have always been so glad I was born where and even when I was.
I just drove across America. Most of it is deserted...
Thank you for your response Steve.
Here is what I understand. A significantly large tent city is to be completed. That will not happen by itself and the military is good with putting up facilities.
Then I ask myself, why put up these tent cities, if the goal is to stop all entry? Doesn't make sense to me.
Then I ask myself, what if groups of these caravans decide to make their own way through, one way or another, rather than processing through? We have already seen violence at the southern border of Mexico. A lot of folks on the Border Patrol side might be able to contain that situation.
How organized is this effort? The current track record isn't too good. Depending on the degree of Military planning allowed, we might be surprised. It's an uphill climb to overcome the current expectation.
Then should I assume you do not care if lies are inferred about you?
I guess everybody can play that game.
I would hope as group "we" are not that childish.
We have closed military installations that could help with diversifying rural areas. I know of one right off the top of my head that could be used to house immigrants and give them job opportunities. And as you say, a lot of tech can be done just about anywhere. The former Eaker AFB has housing and empty buildings just waiting for someone to use them.
I probably wouldn't have been as keen on the situation, had I not been misquoted earlier up in this article which turned into a post that went about 90* in another direction of what I had said.
Sometimes reigning things in might help to get the original intent back in focus.
Dave, you are quite welcome, I try to respond to all who I’m engaged in conversation with here.
Unfortunately I’m having some computer issues at his time and that’s why the long lag time on the last response. I worked on cleaning up some crap and rebooting but it looks like I need to do more.
I agree with what you are saying. Yes the military is probably the best resource to send But I do question that will really happen in full. One of my complaints about the president is I do not see him as a detail mined person. That’s a problem.
As I also stated somewhere here, when we have thousands of desperate people heading in and armed military there to keep them out, time will tell how this all unfolds.
I hope more detailed thought and planning has gone into this than the last instainiously immigration policy trump enacted. Time will tell.
If you don't like the way I reign things, you're free not to comment on my articles.
Thanks.
Much appreciated.
BTW, I get caught up in things outside the forum all the time. I am probably one of the worst at getting back for responses. Little lucky today.
I agree, the man in charge is not good with details and communication.
This is why I hope the Military and BP have a firm grasp on this situation.
I also agree, when that many people are in a tight situation, iot is easy for things to go wrong.
Wanting the best here.
As long as I understand the rules.
Your question is almost childlike in nature.
- If they get sick where are they going to go for care? Honduras?
- Where are they going to live, sleep and eat? Honduras?
- How are they going to pay for food before they get a job?
- If pregnant where are they going to give birth? Honduras
- Where are their kids getting schooled? Honduras?
- Etc, etc
They don't come here, get a job immediately, get flush enough to, buy/rent a house, pay for medical, pay for schools, etc, etc. It takes time and US taxpayer money. As i've shown you here and in other threads it's estimated it cost taxpayers upwards of 300 million a year.
Your not that stupid to think otherwise or maybe you are ....
I grew up next to the Sea Bee base in Pt. Hueneme CA. I loved those guys to bits. Thank you for your service.
Not altogether true with regards to the eastern Europeans and Russians.
The oddest thing is, a policy put into place during the hey day of the Soviet bloc provided a pathway for some under religious persecution guises.
If you didn't meet that criteria, it was pretty much no go. The only other exceptions were political, military and science defectors.
More recently, things have gotten very tight. For example during the all out war in Eastern Ukraine, following Maindan, 490 refugees were approved entry to the US for FY2014, not Calendar year 2014. I have seen reports of Calendar year 2014 being quite a bit lower. Another oddity, many, such as myself had open doors for people we know. We even offered to pay their transportation. No, go.
Seems crazy.
Slowly, things opened up a little until this year the processing of the backlog began to flow pretty well, thanks a lot to the religious loophole. Then as of May of this year all immigration was restricted.
I pulled the above number from this government web site for the FY year I mentioned. Other years are available too.
Historically there really has not been a lot coming in from that region, war or not. The first part of this year showed some promise, but that faucet has been turned off.
Well, you might be right...do you have a link (from a reliable source) for that?
Ao here's a question for you:
If you lived in a horrendous country where the most brutally sadistic form of gang violence is commonplace-- would you want to seek asylum in another country which is also over-run by barbaric drug cartels?
(Well, OK-- I'll give you the benefit of the doubt-- perhaps you weren't aware of the power of the Mexican drug cartels...stranger things have happened!)
Here area few reasons I don't like them:
they think they can just come here and we have to take them in and accept them
they will cost money and divert resources from American Citizens and make every existing problem worse
Overpopulation and overcrowding are problems and they just add to them
They are NOT our problem to start with
More will follow
I don't want to live in a third world country and have my standard of living decline
the wants and needs of US Citizens should be exceeded before any foreigners are let in
They are not familiar with our form of government and way we live
I don't want to be pushed aside
we have enough problems already
Their supporters don't seem to want them in their areas or want to be unconvinced by them
I don't see how they will improve the USA, but I see problems
and I don't like being bothered with other people's problems, That's some of the reasons I don't like them or want them here
Just common sense, you don't need a link to see what is obvious
The pie actually gets bigger with each new refugee but don't let facts get in the way of your xenophobia.
We had a similar problem just before and during WWII when Jewish invaders were knocking on our doorstep. Thankfully there were people like you back then to safeguard America.
I gave some reasons I don't like them. Can you tell me your reasons for liking them?
not if you subtract what they eat and figure that that don't add more than they take. Also they hurt the enjoyment of the meal for other diners
Why refuse to consider all the thing immigrants contribute? There are costs and benefits related to any group of people. Immigration is not a net sum game. Just like olde people immigration has some costs but immigrants also contribute. The difference is that immigrants contribute more than they cost while olde people net out at a loss since providing for them actually costs way more than they contribute. If it was all about money we would welcome immigrant workers and kill all the olde folks butt it is never only about money or children would be outlawed. Just Sayin...
Unfortunately for you the USG says that immigration is a net economic gain for the US. We also gain in many other ways culturally but I can see why white nationalists fear that.
What the fuck? By not talking English?
What rules?
I'd prefer you don't post on my pieces. Thanks.
It's all about the money to some folks. Pathetic.
I'll post where and when I have something to state.
As a rule I don't post in any one subject area.
Your article has some interesting areas of discussion. To your wishes I won't post much more on it as it is long enough to require too much loading time.
Whatever.
But, but because of the Great and Powerful Trump, the pie is YUGE now. Would you deny 'the least of these' some crumbs?
FALSE!
7% of the population of the US are non-citizens.
So I presume that you support the 1 Child mandate ala China. I await your statute proposal for achieving your goal.
So Trump doesn't get his immigrants from Sweden. Got ya.
but quality ingredients are needed, not just filler
former slaves resided here... illegals crossing our borders do not "reside here by any definition of the word.
trumps EO's on this and birthright citizenship, will bring a supreme court case and when it does you will find the "intent of the 14th has nothing to do with illegals crossing our border.
personally, I would be OK with a baby born here by an illegal immigrant getting dual citizenship but the parents should not get to raise that child here. but that is just me and not the intent of the 14th amendment.
Sure, tent cities make America Great Again? Give me a break. All that means is Trump is letting them in anyway, right?
When are any Republican voters going to wake up and see that Trump is playing them as a con game?
Trump has not visited our troops in a war zone, he hasn't admitted that Republicans who were elected in border states at every level, local, and state, allowed immigration to get out of control?
Trump wants to shut the barn door after years of the horses running wild and it won't work. Not one Republican in any border state that was elected in the last 50 years will ever stand up to take responsibility.
Democrats didn't do this, Republicans in border states who turned a blind eye for 50 years so their donors could reap the rewards of cheap labor is what started it and once it was out of control they simply use the scapegoat blame tactic of putting on the "other side" as an excuse.
This is like a person who does not need one accepting a blood transfusion, unscreened and known to contain some germs and cancer, just to help that blood, without regard to what it does to their health
More nonsense from you.
How can letting them in help the Citizens of the USA?
Ten Ways Immigrants Help Build and Strengthen Our Economy
America is a nation of immigrants. Our American journey and our success would simply not be possible without the generations of immigrants who have come to our shores from every corner of the globe. It is helpful to take a moment to reflect on the important contributions by the generations of immigrants who have helped us build our economy, and made America the economic engine of the world.
How do immigrants strengthen the U.S. economy? Below is our top 10 list for ways immigrants help to grow the American economy.
As a nation of immigrants, we must remember that generations of immigrants have helped lay the railroads and build our cities, pioneer new industries and fuel our Information Age, from Google to the iPhone. As President Obama said at a naturalization ceremony held at the White House last week:
We celebrate the contributions of all Americans to building our nation and its economy, including the generations of immigrants.
citation
that was before the country was full
11. Guaranteed votes for Democrats promising them free shit.
(which really should be number one)
What 'free shit' would that be?
Everything US taxpayers are funding to the tune of up to 300 million dollars a year as of 2016. None of which they would get in their home country.
Better that money go to US citizens; wages, Vets, Schools, Infrastructure, Research, etc, etc.
Don't ya think?
? Full? When did that happen? I've driven through from CA to Ohio many times, flown across the US many times, and there is no way I would consider the US "full". Certain spots are a little overpopulated, some cities, but we're far from overcrowded.
That was so ridiculous that it didn't merit a response.
receiving a welcome
My grandfather came here from Italy and more often than not, a welcome was not what he received. The hate spewed at him by a lot people here was just plain mean spirited.
He came here through EI. He had saved enough money to support himself for 5 years. He was a master house builder with some of the houses he built still standing to this day. He did not even marry until he became a sworn citizen so that his children would be those of American citizens. Yes, he did everything right but felt he had to change his last name to one that sounded American to keep the haters at bay.
Well, Trump's tax cuts are a success-- at least in part. The economy is growing, businesses are expanding-- which results in the need for more workers. Fox News reports:
Jobs plentiful, workers not so much
The latest reading on private-sector employment came in slightly below expectations, and the lower reading might not be because employers don’t want to hire. They may not be able to find people to hire.
Commenting on the Thursday’s ADP report, Ahu Yildirmaz, vice president and co-head of the ADP Research Institute said, “The labor market continues to march towards full employment."
The U.S. jobs market is in an interesting position, with the number of job postings increasing to the point that they outnumbered job seekers in April.
End all welfare and you will find plenty to fill the jobs for the interim until the robots replace them.
Migrants seeking asylum legally seek asylum legally.
I was speaking earlier about a certain poster who refers to migrants legally seeking asylum referring to them as vermin and disease ridden.
I wonder who that was?
Don't worry, I'll keep it hush, hush, super secret, and on the down low.
Oh yes, all praise should go to all of those who met the stringent standard back then for legal immigration, being white.
So your posit is that the US filled up since the article was written in 2012?
Well gee Sparty, the neo-nationalists have plenty of time to make their case to new citizens. For most, it takes over a decade to become a citizen.
BTFW, the GOP controls EVERYTHING so what do Dems have to do with it?
From your link:
The HORROR!
It was VERY material to it BEING the legal means to get IN here.
IMMATERIAL...the discussion included grandfathers from German and Italian descent, both immigrated legally based on being WHITE.
Asians were excluded and Africans were limited in the extreme during that time period. Less than .8% of the AA population in the US were 'voluntary' immigrants @ the time.
BTW, after the 1924 Immigration Ace, EI was a detention and deportation center. So only Immigration laws prior to 1924 applied, which almost exclusively means WHITE.
Ask Sparty, I merely quoted from his link...
I DID reference a written law. I suggest you look it up. And while your at it, review the other immigration laws in effect at the time...
BTFW, here is an article that I read about a couple months ago:
NO! Overpopulation and overcrowding has been an unaddressed problem for a long time.
This situation just adds to a long existing problem
NO! Overpopulation and overcrowding has been an unaddressed problem for a long time.
This situation just adds to a long existing problem
Oh, so please DO tell me the date it did fill up.
same date global warming started
"Full? When did that happen?"
same time complaints about global warming started
Nope, never complained about immigration. I’m only quoted reality. So i’ll only ask you once to stop trying to put words in my mouth.
Your linked article addressed immigration. DO try to follow the thread.
As am I, directly from YOUR link.
Where did I claim that you SAID anything Sparty?
Stop trying to put words in MY mouth.
And link in question only pointed out facts .... do try to comprehend what you’re reading
no you aren’t, you’re just spewing your usual disingenuous nonsense. The link was not complaining about anything. Just pointing out facts inconvenient to your preferred left wing, crackpotted narrative
You inferred it with you BS comment.
Which I QUOTED verbatim.
Practice what you preach.
I NEVER said it was. Again, READ and FOLLOW the fucking thread.
Actually, I QUOTED YOUR link because it's 'inconvenient facts' refute the BS the neo-nationalists are spewing. Nothing 'crack potted' about it.
Like usual, your comments have jackshit to do with the conversation at hand. Enjoy your little reindeer games ..... sophomoric as they be .....
If my comments 'have jackshit to do with the conversation at hand' and are 'sophomoric', blame it on their source, YOUR link...
Nope, the link is factual ..... your interpretation of the link? Not so much ....
This is the sum total or my 'interpretation' of your link:
The portion of YOUR link that I quoted:
Immigration is in the title of the article.
If you wanted to limit the topic to 'illegal aliens', perhaps you should have posted a link that addresses THAT topic. As it is, you posted a link to an article about IMMIGRATION. Deal with it.
Good god, you and your repetitive, selective quoting. Like usual i'm not slain by your attempted partisan redirects. Not the first time, not the second time, not the ... time ...
I already have, several times, starting with the link i quoted. The title of which was the instructive point being made.
Ergo, why its the title.
Now off on some unrelated partisan tangent you go again ..... enjoy!
If they cross the border they will want stuff; food, medical care, toilets, shelter ect ect. That will cost taxpayer
Toilets? That's a new one. Running to America for a toilet. : )
I guess when someone does not even have a pot to piss in, a toilet sounds pretty good.
It will cost and if they crossed the border and there were no toilets then their cheering squad would complain. This is also an pollution problem. I wonder how toilet issues are being dealt with on their march?
I see a lot of port-a-potties in the future.
One company will make a lot of cash.
Trump's Golden Port-a-Potties.
What part of the fact that every single immigrant group that ever came here before inevitably became a net positive for all of America and thus for all Americans can't you understand? The exact same primitive tribal fears of others different than yourself, which seem to obsess you, were expressed about all of the Irish and the Germans and the Italians who came here before to escape oppression or merely for a better life for their children. Historically nearly nobody came here with pre-approval. These legal assylam seekers will take the same sort of low paying jobs picking fruits and vegetables or working in slaughter plants doing the low paying dirty jobs that nobody else wants to do probably for a whole generation in order to exentually EARN their citizenship just like all those who came before them did. They will work and learn to assimilate and pay their taxes just like every other immigrant group before them did. Your fears are ungrounded and frankly irrational. Our corporate farming and ranching industries in thousands of small rural towns across America are begging for the willing workers with strong arms and back willing to pick your tomatoes and process all the pigs and chickens you eat. So, settle down and drop the hysteria. The only effect a few thousand new workers from Honduras and Guatemala will have on your life is that your McDonald's cheeseburgers will probably still be just one lousy buck...
E.A How about the Part::
Fill My Cup with HOT water Please!!
And they keep Pouring HOT …. even when it is overflowing?
So approximately 12 million European immigrants came through Ellis Island ILLEGALLY between 1892 - 1954? European immigrants who arrived through Boston's port of entry also were ILLEGALS? Who knew!
The "fears" of which you speak were based upon those VETTED LEGAL immigrants having different customs and speaking languages that "old-timers" (only 1 or 2 generations themselves) didn't understand.
One more thing -- those LEGAL immigrants did what most ILLEGAL ALIENS do not do ... they learned English, strove to ASSIMILATE, and did not feel entitled to WELFARE in their new country. They also obtained Green Cards and then US Citizenship as soon as legally possible ... AND THEY PAID FOR THE PRIVILEGE with their OWN hard-earned money.
Really....when did we start pressing one for English?
At least THREE DECADES ago, that's when.
It is not illegal for refugees to approach the US border and ask for legal assylam. So far as we know none of these new refugees have ever broken a US law so they are not illegal. So, please quit insisting they are. Screeching, "THEY ARE ILLEGAL", only makes you appear hysterical besides being untruthful. So, as one of the mods told me, "Lighten up Francis".
Also, and for your edification, there are right now tens of thousands of low paying back breaking agribusiness jobs going unfilled in small mostly deserted towns all across rural America. Don't just take my word for it. Do some research. You might actually learn something...
Legitimate asylum-seekers come to the USA at LEGAL points of entry - they do not cross ILLEGALLY on boats/rafts in rivers and when caught say, "Oh hi there! I'm here for asylum".
Reminder, JBB -- Mexico already offered asylum to the current caravan (healthcare, housing, jobs, education, path to citizenship) but most of them refused Mexico's generous offer. That should tell everyone that this caravan is only interested in storming into the USA.
It is not illegal for refugees to approach the US border to legally ask for legal asylum. So far, none of the caravan refugees have broken any US laws so they are not illegal...
Ummm, yeah, how quickly we forget,
Also, let's us not forget, criminal cartels to fight to keep what you have and, to protect your children because most of the Federales are taking bribes or, are working with the cartels.
Since this is the first country in the whole group they have to cross through were they can actually be free.
It is like talking to a wall. Hold Up! A Wall? Hahahahaha...
I never have one idea what your cryptic messages mean. Ever...
Okay, sometimes I kinda sorta get your drift but only kinda sorta.
Did you read your linked article? I says right in it that Jimmy Carter, a liberal democrat, was president when the Cubans were coming then. It also says that they were placed in camps until proper vetting of them was done. They were not allowed free access to go anywhere they choose.
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Where is it being built? It's at the southern border, not one dime has gone towards one foot of that new wall that Trump promised you all back in 2016, Oh, wait, I mean one Peso.
I'm still waiting for all those Peso's that are suppose to pay for that invisible wall. Oh, wait, are those Peso's invisible too?
Cue Scarface reference.
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That's correct, but your statement is irrelevant to the entirety of what I said in comment 22.3.8 .
I didn't have to read the article, I was living in Miami when they came into Miami, I lived 5 miles from where they were being held during that time, we use to go down there to give out water to them, something that was in short supply for them since the overpass they were under didn't have running water. They were processed quickly and, given sponsors and, moved out of the tent city as quickly as possible. Some turned out to be criminals that Castro had sent to screw with us and, we sent them back.
Soooo, only those who are escaping from a dictatorial communist country need apply, got it.
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Ok, let's go a little further back in history since you seem stuck on "liberal presidents" let me ask you who was president in the late 1950's. Never mind, I'll answer that for you, it was Eisenhower, a Republican,
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It's exactly what is promised and what we true Americans are happy with
Bullshit, Trump said he was going to build a big beautiful wall from the Gulf of Mexico and, that Mexico was going to pay for it. One, Mexico told him to go to hell and, two Congress hasn't agreed to any such wall building project so, all that is being "built" is what was already there.
And, you can take your "True Americans" comment and, put it were it belongs.
Not sure where livefreeordie gets his information. But to your point ...
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The wall is the dumbest thing ever to have come out of Washington, it won't work and, it will cost more to maintain than it will to build. All that being said, Trump was offered full funding by the Democratic leaders and, he turned it down, now, if the Democrats take over the House Trump might as well kiss his wall goodbye.
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Is there a DNA test to take to prove it? Because I'm as much a true American as any other citizen, and no, I am not happy with the ridiculous partisan GOP shenanigans in regards to our southern border. The promise of a 2,000 mile border wall was nothing but tickling GOP ears, especially the ears of xenophobes who simply hate Mexicans and get incensed when they hear someone speak Spanish, all in order to get votes as they know they will NEVER actually build such a wall. Besides being too expensive and ineffective, it's logistically impossible. And on top of that, 70% of the undocumented immigrants in America didn't get here by crossing a border, they flew here on a temporary visa that they have overstayed. How high were we going to make that wall again? High enough to keep out airplanes? The very idea of a southern border wall is laughable and those who are seriously demanding one either have more than a few screws loose or don't understand what they're actually suggesting. What does make sense? Small sections of border wall in high traffic areas, which is what we have now.
You do understand that only 52% of the Illegal Aliens are Mexican, right?
Wow-- I'm impressed. How did you get to know about how all those people came here? (When you have a few minutes, can you help me develop the vast psychic powers that you have! (or is that just a guess?).
Correct-- yes the Mexican Congress has approved the Wall-- just as Trump promised!
(And BTW, there is one minor error in your post-- not only has the Mexican Congress agreed to pay for it-- but not partly-- they're going to provide the FULL funding!)
True-- and all the rest are members of ISIS!
And Mexico is gonna pay for it !
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I don't consider anyone that doesn't support our national security including our borders to be an American.
And NO ONE including Trump ever called for all 2000 miles.
And Mexico is gonna pay for it Yes sir a great big tall wall that resembles a see thru fence. That we are going to loan Mexico the money to pay us to build.
And many Americans today think that allowing those in the "caravan" into the country to be a bad mistake. What's your point?
So as far as you are concerned it was OK to condemn those Jew's to a horrible fate in the camps because of politics but Trump denying entry for national security reasons. Is that because FDR was a liberal, progressive democrat that he gets a pass or is it because they were only Hews or is there some other excuse .
Just because someone doesn't walk in lockstep with your ideas of what you think our national security should be doesn't mean that they aren't an American. My family has been defending this country for over two hundred years, since the founding of this country, I served in the Army so, don't tell me that you don't consider me a "True American" simply because I don't believe the same as you.
I find this remark to be an insult, please do not ever speak to me again on this site.
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So true!!
Enough talk about the wall. That's not the point of the thread. Enough.
Yet the liberal side here gets to constantly question the conservative ideal of patriotism?
How much more biased can you be?
Not much.
Besides the fact that your opinion matters not as to how American I am, I do support our national security and border security, I just happen to have a much broader understanding of what that entails. Real border security has less to do with physical barriers and far more to do with immigration policy and creating an environment that removes the incentives for illegal border crossings. Until we address the real issue which are employers and corporations in the US providing 8,000,000 undocumented workers jobs, we'll never actually stop illegal border crossings no matter how big a wall you build.
The companies who offer jobs to 8 million undocumented immigrants create their own gravity, and a wall won't stop the constant drip of undocumented immigrants slipping through the border attracted to the jobs they know are there and waiting for them. Not many kids of US citizens aspire to be lettuce pickers and thus jump into the agriculture business right out of high school. Besides, the owners of the Ag companies know that spoiled white kids aren't worth even the minimum wage they'd be paid when compared to the hard work ethic of an undocumented immigrant.
So what do we do? Increase the pay for the backbreaking field work that needs to be done to put food on our tables? That would of course increase the cost of that food exponentially. Or do we figure out a way to provide agriculture work visas and let anyone from Mexico come legally, not worry about getting arrested, pays taxes, helps boost our economies, helps them feed their families, and gets rid of the criminal element surrounding illegal border crossings. The only downside is having increased Latino culture in some places, but is that really a bad thing? Is that really a reason to be against a more inclusive immigration policy? Because you're scared of loosing some imagined "white culture" to the encroachment of another? Well that's not an immigration problem, that's a racist heart and mind problem that needs to be fixed on the inside of the racist, not the outside in immigration policy.
So while some choose to have a tiny stubborn bigoted view of immigration, "BUILD A WALL!!", others actually think about the real problems and try to come up with ways that would actually fix the problems instead of just attacking poor migrant worker families who are as much victims of our current system as we are.
The fact that you don't seem to recognize a difference is quite sad.
But a biased ideal shouldn't be questioned right? /s
I get it all right, Everyone says "My Biases are ok but yours aren't"
Everyone is entitled to their biases.
The real issue is when the powers that be fall to one side or the other, That is when bias is bad....
The slippery slope to censorship....
Your prior comment seems to contradict your claim.
Baseless bias is ALWAYS bad, you just don't care about it when you did is in power.
You are teetering awfully close to META...
I'm happy for you that you know what is in my mind better than I do....
My comments are based on the words in your comments, not by what's in your mind. I have a feeling I'd rather NOT know...
After not being able to read hardly any of the conservatives posts in this thread I will have to agree with you. All true and real Americans support maintaining the integrity of our national borders.
Exactly. I couldn’t have said it better myself so I’ll associate myself with your words here.
Ah meta the progressive dog whistle for censorship. Accuse a conservative of engaging in it to get the powers that be to censor the comment the progressive doesn’t like.
Ah another load of crap from the snowflakes. If I wanted the PTB to review the comment, I would have used the handy dandy flagging function that has a oh so convenient Meta tab. As you and everyone else can see, that comment wasn't flagged.
FAIL.
He wants to put them in tents where his in laws were fast tracked for citizenship and they are in an expensive suite.
So nobody gets into the country...
Except the thousands of asylum seekers...
I’d like to thank our great President, Donald Trump for his attention to this issue and his plans to deal with it should the foreign invaders reach our border. I’d also like to commend all my conservative friends for their prior fine contributions to this seeded discussion.