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Fake News Media True Cause of Social Unrest in America

  

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Via:  xxjefferson51  •  6 years ago  •  187 comments

Fake News Media True Cause of Social Unrest in America
The anti-Trump media has been hard at working trying to shuffle blame for the rash of violence in the past week away from themselves and on to the president. But there is no escaping the fact that the fake news media remains the driving force behind the fierce divisions in America. Dating back to the 2016 presidential campaign, outlets such as CNN relentlessly tried to smear now-President Donald Trump as a bigot, racist, misogynist, homophobe and any derogatory label that would create...

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The anti-Trump media has been hard at working trying to shuffle blame for the rash of violence in the past week away from themselves and on to the president. But there is no escaping the fact that the fake news media remains the driving force behind the fierce divisions in America.

Dating back to the 2016 presidential campaign, outlets such as CNN relentlessly tried to smear now-President Donald Trump as a bigot, racist, misogynist, homophobe and any derogatory label that would create discord among American voters. They failed. But in the wake of an election that swept out Democrats — much to the chagrin of the establishment media — CNN and others doubled-down on hate speech.

A prime example of this was the gross misrepresentation of the president’s remarks after the Charlottesville violence that cost one young woman her life.

“I think there is blame on both sides,” the president reportedly said in August 2017. “You had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides.”

A reasonable or impartial person would understand these remarks as pointing to the white supremacists and Antifa as the bad actors who should shoulder the blame. The “fine people” would naturally refer to other groups of peaceful protestors from both conservative and liberal groups. But CNN and other left-wing media have yet to stop claiming the president was referring to the white supremacists as the “fine people.” That is exactly the type of rhetoric used by the fake news media to inflame tempers.

On the anniversary of the Charlottesville tragedy, the president remembered the events with this tweet.

“The riots in Charlottesville a year ago resulted in senseless death and division,” the president reportedly tweeted. “We must come together as a nation. I condemn all types of racism and acts of violence. Peace to ALL Americans!”

President Trump’s remarks calling for unity have largely been ignored by the fake news media. In recent weeks they have supported the Democrat political-speak that the divisions are caused by the White House and Democrats can “no longer be civil” as Hillary Clinton famously said.

Fake news media outlets and liberal extremists have created a wide berth of racial tensions by misleading African-Americans about the content and meaning of the president’s remarks. Liberal politicians and fake news outlets have engaged in a propaganda campaign to replace the common phrase referring to racists as “white supremacists” with the term “white nationalists.” The target continues to be the ability of the fake news to claim that when the president says the word “nationalist,” they can claim racism.

“As someone who is a target of the president’s hate, what I can tell you is that this is reckless and it’s not responsible from someone who is stirring a cauldron of hate. You see the fumes landing in so many different places,” CNN contributor and American Urban Radio Network correspondent April Ryan reportedly said.

“We saw this, what happened in Pittsburgh before, a couple of years ago at Mother Emmanuel Church. It’s a sad day when people are gathering in their house of worship, moralistically and lovingly trying to worship their god and being shot down because of a call, a code, a dog whistle.”

Ryan, an African-American White House correspondent, has been widely criticized for unethical messaging. At one point, she retweeted a despicable lie that the White House was engaged in child trafficking. Her use of the terms “code” and “dog whistle” are among the latest propaganda tools used by Democrats such as Maxine Waters to support a false “white” nationalist position of the president.

As many are aware due to the nationally-televised interviews with President Trump, he considers himself a nationalist as opposed to the “globalist” Democrats in the previous administration. President Trump is a nationalist in the tradition of placing American interests ahead of those of other countries. As he has stated many times, his foreign policy is sympathetic to disadvantaged countries, but his loyalty is to all Americans first.

California Rep. Maxine Waters has been among the more vocal Democrats to deliberately misrepresent the president’s meaning in the face of his clarifications. CNN and other fake news outlets refuse to acknowledge the president’s repeated definition of a nationalist.

“How do you marry the situation with the president last week saying he is a nationalist? All you have to do is say white nationalist to that,” Ryan reportedly said. “We have seen this before what happened with the bombs. We saw the Kroger in Kentucky. A white man shot and killed two black people.”

Like other instances of media propaganda, this distorted rhetoric divides Americans by race. The fake news media has no intention of reporting the facts or telling the truth. They are bent on pushing dangerous rhetoric that attempts to pit one American against another. That’s why the fake news media — in no uncertain terms, remains — “the enemy of the people.”


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

“The riots in Charlottesville a year ago resulted in senseless death and division,” the president reportedly tweeted. “We must come together as a nation. I condemn all types of racism and acts of violence. Peace to ALL Americans!”

President Trump’s remarks calling for unity have largely been ignored by the fake news media. In recent weeks they have supported the Democrat political-speak that the divisions are caused by the White House and Democrats can “no longer be civil” as Hillary Clinton famously said.

Fake news media outlets and liberal extremists have created a wide berth of racial tensions by misleading African-Americans about the content and meaning of the president’s remarks. Liberal politicians and fake news outlets have engaged in a propaganda campaign to replace the common phrase referring to racists as “white supremacists” with the term “white nationalists.” The target continues to be the ability of the fake news to claim that when the president says the word “nationalist,” they can claim racism.

“As someone who is a target of the president’s hate, what I can tell you is that this is reckless and it’s not responsible from someone who is stirring a cauldron of hate. You see the fumes landing in so many different places,” CNN contributor and American Urban Radio Network correspondent April Ryan reportedly said.

“We saw this, what happened in Pittsburgh before, a couple of years ago at Mother Emmanuel Church. It’s a sad day when people are gathering in their house of worship, moralistically and lovingly trying to worship their god and being shot down because of a call, a code, a dog whistle.”

Ryan, an African-American White House correspondent, has been widely criticized for unethical messaging. At one point, she retweeted a despicable lie that the White House was engaged in child trafficking. Her use of the terms “code” and “dog whistle” are among the latest propaganda tools used by Democrats such as Maxine Waters to support a false “white” nationalist position of the president.

As many are aware due to the nationally-televised interviews with President Trump, he considers himself a nationalist as opposed to the “globalist” Democrats in the previous administration. President Trump is a nationalist in the tradition of placing American interests ahead of those of other countries. As he has stated many times, his foreign policy is sympathetic to disadvantaged countries, but his loyalty is to all Americans first.

California Rep. Maxine Waters has been among the more vocal Democrats to deliberately misrepresent the president’s meaning in the face of his clarifications. CNN and other fake news outlets refuse to acknowledge the president’s repeated definition of a nationalist.”

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.1  Skrekk  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    6 years ago

I like how our Fuhrer refers to black folks with certain specific adjectives like "low IQ", "dumb", ''thief" and "dog" even when those adjectives are obviously inappropriate.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Skrekk @1.1    6 years ago

Don't forget that he considers them born lazy and that he trusts Jews over a black when it comes to doing his accounting.

 
 
 
Jerry Verlinger
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1.2  Jerry Verlinger  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    6 years ago

The anti-Trump media has been hard at working trying to shuffle blame for the rash of violence in the past week away from themselves and on to the president.

Looks like some authors try to use fake sentences to accent their fake news articles.

I read that sentence three times trying to figure out what it meant, but then I realized I was reading one of the 'high quality' articles out of a XxJeff 'high quality' source he uses.  

Dating back to the 2016 presidential campaign, outlets such as CNN relentlessly tried to smear now-President Donald Trump as a bigot, racist, misogynist, homophobe and any derogatory label that would create discord among American voters. They failed.

They did not fail at anything. They succeeded in making it clear to all their readers that Donald Trump is a bigoted, racist, misogynistic homophobic asshole.

Go to American history 2035 and imagine what the historians will be saying about Trump. Maybe they will actually be calling him an asshole. At the rate he's going, he will have made 'asshole' a common term in the English language. 

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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1.2.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  Jerry Verlinger @1.2    6 years ago

And you know as well as I do that the victors write the history....

Right now progressive liberalism isn't doing that much winning....

But such is history.

Socialist experiments that are tried for real seldom get any good historical review... (based on facts derived from the typical socio-economic outcome of such policies that is all too real)

But then the realities with progressives isn't about the results is it, it is only about the getting there....

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.2.2  Skrekk  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.2.1    6 years ago
And you know as well as I do that the victors write the history....

And the demographics are overwhelmingly against you on that.    As it was your candidate couldn't even win a plurality of votes.    There simply aren't enough angry old white guys around to accomplish what you want.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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1.2.3  arkpdx  replied to  Skrekk @1.2.2    6 years ago
As it was your candidate couldn't even win a plurality of votes

But he did where it counted most, in enough states to win the majority of the Electoral College vote and that is what counts. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.2.4  Skrekk  replied to  arkpdx @1.2.3    6 years ago

At least that's what it takes to get installed as prez without popular support.   Too bad such relics of slavery are still with us, but it's not surprising that they'd only benefit a modern Republican.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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1.2.5  arkpdx  replied to  Skrekk @1.2.4    6 years ago

In the past presidential election,  no candidate had a majority of the popular vote .

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.2.6  Skrekk  replied to  arkpdx @1.2.5    6 years ago

Our Fuhrer couldn't even win a mere plurality of the vote.    No wonder he utterly lacks legitimacy and half of Americans (and a large majority of women) want him impeached ASAP.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Skrekk @1.2.4    6 years ago

The electoral college had nothing to do with slavery. It has to do with the small state vs large state debate then as did the senate.  The founders did not want direct popular election anywhere in the federal government except the House of Representatives.  

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.2.8  Skrekk  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.7    6 years ago
The electoral college had nothing to do with slavery. It has to do with the small state vs large state debate then as did the senate.

Actually that's entirely false.   In fact it's a myth which didn't even arise until the mid-1800s.

The big state v small state issue was settled by having two senators for every state rather than a number proportional to the population of the state, while the EC worked in conjunction with the 3/5ths compromise to give unwarranted power to the white slave owners in the agrarian south.....greedy bigots who even wanted their "property" counted to give themselves an advantage in Congress.    The EC was ultimately designed to help prevent a president who was unfriendly to those southern states.    Here's how a Yale historian explains the EC and the 12th Amendment:

Virginia emerged as the big winner—the California of the Founding era—with 12 out of a total of 91 electoral votes allocated by the Philadelphia Constitution, more than a quarter of the 46 needed to win an election in the first round. After the 1800 census, Wilson’s free state of Pennsylvania had 10% more free persons than Virginia, but got 20% fewer electoral votes. Perversely, the more slaves Virginia (or any other slave state) bought or bred, the more electoral votes it would receive. Were a slave state to free any blacks who then moved North, the state could actually lose electoral votes.

If the system’s pro-slavery tilt was not overwhelmingly obvious when the Constitution was ratified, it quickly became so. For 32 of the Constitution’s first 36 years, a white slaveholding Virginian occupied the presidency.

Southerner Thomas Jefferson, for example, won the election of 1800-01 against Northerner John Adams in a race where the slavery-skew of the electoral college was the decisive margin of victory: without the extra electoral college votes generated by slavery, the mostly southern states that supported Jefferson would not have sufficed to give him a majority. As pointed observers remarked at the time, Thomas Jefferson metaphorically rode into the executive mansion on the backs of slaves.

The 1796 contest between Adams and Jefferson had featured an even sharper division between northern states and southern states. Thus, at the time the Twelfth Amendment tinkered with the Electoral College system rather than tossing it, the system’s pro-slavery bias was hardly a secret. Indeed, in the floor debate over the amendment in late 1803, Massachusetts Congressman Samuel Thatcher complained that “The representation of slaves adds thirteen members to this House in the present Congress, and eighteen Electors of President and Vice President at the next election.” But Thatcher’s complaint went unredressed. Once again, the North caved to the South by refusing to insist on direct national election.

 
 
 
Jerry Verlinger
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1.2.9  Jerry Verlinger  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.2.1    6 years ago
And you know as well as I do that the victors write the history....

Right now progressive liberalism isn't doing that much winning...

I disagree. If you look closely you will see that the Nationalist attitude of those now in control now is not being well accepted by the people.

But such is history.

That history is being written right now. We will see what will be written when this segment of American history is put in the books.

Socialist experiments that are tried for real seldom get any good historical review..

Our Founding Fathers embarked on a social experiment that worked out pretty well.

Furthermore, if you review world history, you will see that, in the end,  socialism always prevails. 

 
 
 
Jerry Verlinger
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1.2.10  Jerry Verlinger  replied to  Skrekk @1.2.8    6 years ago

Nice piece of research Skrekk. Corny (Cornhuskers4Palin) needs to get a little actual American history under his belt.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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1.2.11  livefreeordie  replied to  Skrekk @1.2.8    6 years ago

Typical leftist revisionism. Nearly all of the founders opposed direct democracy because they understood that all such governments destroy themselves.

No! The Electoral College Was Not about Slavery!

Democracies are evil

Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. It is in vain to say that democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious, or less avaricious than aristocracy or monarchy. It is not true, in fact, and nowhere appears in history. Those passions are the same in all men, under all forms of simple government, and when unchecked, produce the same effects of fraud, violence, and cruelty. When clear prospects are opened before vanity, pride, avarice, or ambition, for their easy gratification, it is hard for the most considerate philosophers and the most conscientious moralists to resist the temptation. Individuals have conquered themselves. Nations and large bodies of men, never.”
John Adams (1797-1801) Second President of the United States and Patriot

"Democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine percent."
Thomas Jefferson, Author of the Declaration of Independence, 3rd President of the U. S.
"In democracy … there are commonly tumults and disorders … Therefore a pure democracy is generally a very bad government. It is often the most tyrannical government on earth.”
Noah Webster (1758-1843) Father of the Dictionary & American Patriot
All such men are, or ought to be, agreed, that simple governments are despotisms; and of all despotisms, a democracy, though the least durable, is the most violent.”
Fisher Ames (1758-1808) Founding Father and framer of the First Amendment to the Constitution

Republicanism is not the phantom of a deluded imagination. On the contrary, laws, under no form of government, are better supported, liberty and property better secured, or happiness more effectually dispensed to mankind.”
George Washington (1732-1799) Father of the Country, 1st President of the United States
"The republican is the only form of government which is not eternally at open or secret war with the rights of mankind."
Thomas Jefferson, Author of the Declaration of Independence, 3rd President of the U. S.
The known propensity of a democracy is to licentiousness, which the ambitious call, and the ignorant believe to be, liberty.”
Fisher Ames (1758-1808) Founding Father and framer of the First Amendment to the Constitution
But between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos.”
John Marshall (1755-1835) House Member, Secretary of State and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court

"Democracy is the most vile form of government...Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."
James Madison (1751-1836) Father of the Constitution, 4th President of the United States

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.”
Winston Churchill (1874-1965), British Politician & Leader.
Democracy: The worship of jackals by jackasses.”
Henry L. Mencken (1880-1956) American Writer

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.”
Henry L. Mencken (1880-1956) American Writer

It is a besetting vice of democracies to substitute public opinion for law. This is the usual form in which masses of men exhibit their tyranny.”
James Fenimore Cooper (1789–1851) American historical novelist

Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.”
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900) Irish Playwright and Novelist

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  livefreeordie @1.2.11    6 years ago

You are exactly right.  It never ever had anything at all to do with slavery as to the reason the electoral college was created.  Thanks for the awesome 😎 post.  

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.2.13  Skrekk  replied to  livefreeordie @1.2.11    6 years ago
Nearly all of the founders opposed direct democracy because they understood that all such governments destroy themselves.

The EC doesn't control whether a state has direct popular voting for the president.   Heck, it doesn't even require a state to apportion its EC votes in any particular way (and thus the opportunity for the NPV plan).   But what the EC actually did when it was created was privilege the states which had the most slaves.   That was the whole point of the EC.

Today it's just an anachronism with really bad side effects, the worst of which is the installation of a president who lost the popular vote and thus lacks legitimacy.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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1.2.14  Nowhere Man  replied to  Skrekk @1.2.13    6 years ago

I know, you were there and know the founders intent better than they did. The whole lot of them were lying when they recorded their intent and reasoning so everyone in the future would know....

Of course they were simply a bunch of slavers that were only trying to keep the black man down and maintain a nation intended for the sole purpose of propagating slavery....

The only way to redeem ourselves is admit that your right and dispose of this hated document and nation it created and allow those who proclaim their innocence from the black depths of slavery to benevolently rule over us so we can cleanse our souls of that horrible stain that continues to today....

You know better for us than we know for ourselves.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.2.15  Skrekk  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.2.14    6 years ago
I know, you were there and know the founders intent better than they did. The whole lot of them were lying when they recorded their intent and reasoning so everyone in the future would know....

There's been a good bit written on this issue by historians who disagree with you, and the fact remains that the main effect of the EC was to give the states with the most slaves disproportionate power in selecting a president.

 
 
 
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1.2.16    replied to  Skrekk @1.2.15    6 years ago
There's been a good bit written on this issue by historians who disagree with you, and the fact remains that the main effect of the EC was to give the states with the most slaves disproportionate power in selecting a president.

E.A  Written By Man/Woman, and in with past comments this one has ABSOLUTE faith in " what is Written " :-)

 
 
 
Don Overton
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1.2.17  Don Overton  replied to  arkpdx @1.2.3    6 years ago

Only with help from russia gerrymandering, denying people the right to vote, you conveniently forget that

 
 
 
arkpdx
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1.2.18  arkpdx  replied to  Don Overton @1.2.17    6 years ago

Russia gerrymander the vote and denied people  a vote?  Do explain that and provide proof. Don't worry I have dealt with you before so I know better than to hold my breath waiting for a rational reply. 

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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1.2.19  Nowhere Man  replied to  Skrekk @1.2.15    6 years ago

Yeah, there has been a lot of rationalization from some "historians" who have a decided political bent in most of their writings. But when you get to REAL unbiased historians?

Then you get a clear picture. but then again I became an amateur historian long before there was an ability to make money writing opinions pieces and passing them off as history.....

It is what it is, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

But when you are discussing what the Founders intent was, I would suggest that their own recorded words at the time the decisions were actually made as to why they made them will dictate as the most accurate.....

Not some politically motivated opinions of that which they decided some 200 years after the fact....

And when I read/hear them opinions? I realize I've read/heard a very uneducated person.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.2.20  Skrekk  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.2.19    6 years ago
But when you are discussing what the Founders intent was, I would suggest that their own recorded words at the time the decisions were actually made as to why they made them will dictate as the most accurate.....

Actually they didn't specifically say why they implemented the EC except that it was part of the same discussions as the 3/5ths compromise about how much power the southern states should have in proportion to their electorate, and they also feared direct democracy because the electorate was largely uneducated.  This is a good summary by an historian at Yale based on what was said on the issue at the constitutional convention:

Standard civics-class accounts of the Electoral College rarely mention the real demon dooming direct national election in 1787 and 1803: slavery.

At the Philadelphia convention, the visionary Pennsylvanian James Wilson proposed direct national election of the president. But the savvy Virginian James Madison responded that such a system would prove unacceptable to the South: “The right of suffrage was much more diffusive [i.e., extensive] in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes.” In other words, in a direct election system, the North would outnumber the South, whose many slaves (more than half a million in all) of course could not vote. But the Electoral College—a prototype of which Madison proposed in this same speech—instead let each southern state count its slaves, albeit with a two-fifths discount, in computing its share of the overall count.

Virginia emerged as the big winner—the California of the Founding era—with 12 out of a total of 91 electoral votes allocated by the Philadelphia Constitution, more than a quarter of the 46 needed to win an election in the first round. After the 1800 census, Wilson’s free state of Pennsylvania had 10% more free persons than Virginia, but got 20% fewer electoral votes. Perversely, the more slaves Virginia (or any other slave state) bought or bred, the more electoral votes it would receive. Were a slave state to free any blacks who then moved North, the state could actually lose electoral votes.

If the system’s pro-slavery tilt was not overwhelmingly obvious when the Constitution was ratified, it quickly became so. For 32 of the Constitution’s first 36 years, a white slaveholding Virginian occupied the presidency.

Southerner Thomas Jefferson, for example, won the election of 1800-01 against Northerner John Adams in a race where the slavery-skew of the electoral college was the decisive margin of victory: without the extra electoral college votes generated by slavery, the mostly southern states that supported Jefferson would not have sufficed to give him a majority. As pointed observers remarked at the time, Thomas Jefferson metaphorically rode into the executive mansion on the backs of slaves.

The 1796 contest between Adams and Jefferson had featured an even sharper division between northern states and southern states. Thus, at the time the Twelfth Amendment tinkered with the Electoral College system rather than tossing it, the system’s pro-slavery bias was hardly a secret. Indeed, in the floor debate over the amendment in late 1803, Massachusetts Congressman Samuel Thatcher complained that “The representation of slaves adds thirteen members to this House in the present Congress, and eighteen Electors of President and Vice President at the next election.” But Thatcher’s complaint went unredressed. Once again, the North caved to the South by refusing to insist on direct national election.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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1.2.21  Nowhere Man  replied to  Skrekk @1.2.20    6 years ago

A perfect example of taking one statement out of a complete conversation or discussion then wrapping it in biased opinions using the statement to justify the opinion as valid...

So, Yeah, that keeps being quoted as justification for said opinions.

But I've posted the recording of the entire discussion that clearly shows it wasn't that at all....

Madison, wrote it all down and then later conformed it to what the other recorders wrote.

Had nothing to do with the 3/5th compromise nor slavery. Had everything to do with the number of voters in the much more populated northern states and the much less populated southern states. the reason the southerners wouldn't go for it is their votes would have been irrelevant in a national election. That is what Madison recorded as the reason the compromise of having electors be voted on by the people who then vote on the president....

the north didn't like it cause the 3/5th compromise gave the Southern states more electors than just voters did....

It was a balancing act balancing the interests of a large voting block against a much smaller voting block....

Which is exactly how it works today. Which proves the wisdom of the EC compromise...

Progressives only wish to get around it cause they could care less about anyone else's rights, or equal rights in general.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.2.22  Skrekk  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.2.21    6 years ago
Had everything to do with the number of voters in the much more populated northern states and the much less populated southern states.

Actually that's what the House vs Senate distribution was for.   The big state / small state excuse for the EC didn't even appear until the mid-1800s.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

The liberal mainstream media is the enemy of the people just as the President says.  They as he says so well are fake news. They cause all of the political unrest that is currently happening in America.  As the President and his followers boldly say at all of his campaign events; CNN sucks!  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2    6 years ago
They as he says so well are fake news.

Hidden news as well as "fake" news. 

Does anybody know about the investigations of Puerto Rican officials who horded the disaster relief supplies or defrauded HUD out of millions in federal funds? 
Does anybody know about the criminal referrals involving false accusations against Judge Kavanaugh?
Does anybody know about the investigation of the former Tallahassee Mayor now running for Governor of Florida?
Does anybody know about how well this economy is performing?

Instead the news is taken up by what can be used to smear the President

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.1    6 years ago

Good news. Thanks

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.1    6 years ago

That is indeed good news!  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    6 years ago

Some of us know about these things but you have to go to news sites the msm, social media and their fact checker butt buddies try to blackball out of existence so that we won’t know or be able to talk about it.  

 
 
 
pat wilson
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2.1.5  pat wilson  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.1    6 years ago

But, but Mexico is gonna pay for it, MAGA !

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to    6 years ago

Israel’s wall is doing a great job keeping terrorists and invaders out of Israel.  Hungary has another one to keep Muslim refugees and whoever is embedded with them out.  

 
 
 
Jerry Verlinger
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2.1.10  Jerry Verlinger  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    6 years ago
Hidden news as well as "fake" news.

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Trump has learned how to capture the minds of the most impressionable and easiest to confuse minds in the country. 

Donald Trump is not the most dangerous person in America, the real danger comes from those that believe all his lies and exaggerations. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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2.1.11  Skrekk  replied to  Jerry Verlinger @2.1.10    6 years ago
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He had an unwittingly great seed the other day about birthright citizenship.   He had to close it because the article he seeded disproved his case.    He apparently never actually read the article.

 
 
 
Jerry Verlinger
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2.1.12  Jerry Verlinger  replied to  Skrekk @2.1.11    6 years ago
He had to close it because the article he seeded disproved his case.    He apparently never actually read the article.

That's pretty funny. 

I never seed an article I'm not ready to defend. Before you seed something you should read it, anticipate what comments it's going to bring and make sure you will have answers to those comments.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.1.13  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.6    6 years ago

IOW....you knew that DDW was lying when he said Mexico would pay for it, yet you would still drink his bathwater if he wanted you to.

 
 
 
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2.1.15    replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.14    6 years ago
Of course it was hyperbole.....

E.A  A question about that!

 I am sure you are aware of a Teamsters agreement between Mexico Us of A and Canada?

 Lets say  for this " Payment mater " that There is a " Tariff Payment from Mexico Registered and Owned Truck and All Funds to go to " The Border Fence Authority "  technically who would pay for it?

 
 
 
Jerry Verlinger
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2.1.16  Jerry Verlinger  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.8    6 years ago
They are not, "undocumented migrants", they are not "undocumented workers", 

In truth, they are workers that American companies desperately need in today's strong economy.

....they are illegal alien invaders. 

Yeah right! Go hide under your desk or they will cut your head off with their machete.

 
 
 
Don Overton
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2.1.17  Don Overton  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    6 years ago

Most sane people know the lies being touted by trump minions 

 
 
 
lib50
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3  lib50    6 years ago

Poor, poor frightened conservatives, so afraid of boogey men and women of color, so easily manipulated by their fear and biases.  And so quick to toss out their supposed 'values' and positions for the 'win'. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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3.1  It Is ME  replied to  lib50 @3    6 years ago
conservatives, so afraid of boogey men and women of color

You talkin' 'bout them there "Tokens" Liberals love to hate ? jrSmiley_89_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  It Is ME @3.1    6 years ago

The post we are commenting on is so off topic to the conversation about media.  This seed has nothing to do with race.  

 
 
 
Don Overton
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3.1.2  Don Overton  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.1    6 years ago

Except racism is the favorite ism for trump followers and trump himself

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.2  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  lib50 @3    6 years ago
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.2    6 years ago

How about a great liberal philosopher from the past:

"The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others"........ John Stuart Mill

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.2.2  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.1    6 years ago

Once again, you do your post an injustice by not quoting the whole thing, let me help,

The sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinion of others, to do so would be wise, or even right...The only part of the conduct of anyone, for which he is amenable to society, is that which concerns others. In the part which merely concerns him, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign.[3

So, since you quoted him and, the full quote includes the two lines that I've marked in red and, blue, can you tell me why the Right is so concerned with telling women what they can do with their body's?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.2.2    6 years ago
the Right is so concerned with telling women what they can do with their body's?

That isn't so much a right/left issue. In case you haven't heard the position of the pro-LIFE movement, it involves the rights of the unborn. I know the Court that decided Roe never gave a thought to the life of the child, the Court has evolved and I am willing to bet the rights of the unborn is about to change as well.

 
 
 
lady in black
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3.2.4  lady in black  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.3    6 years ago

Keep dreaming, a fetus will never have rights over a woman.  Women will never be made second class citizens for the sake of a fetus.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  lady in black @3.2.4    6 years ago

That's called Misandry. Women will have their rights. A child will have rights. As always, it all requires balance

 
 
 
lennylynx
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3.2.6  lennylynx  replied to  lady in black @3.2.4    6 years ago

If the Scum party retains all three branches, it very well could happen.  Don't think for one second that it can't.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  lady in black @3.2.4    6 years ago

In other words one human being wants all power of life and death over another human being.  

 
 
 
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3.2.9    replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.8    6 years ago

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3.2.10    replied to  @3.2.9    6 years ago

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XXJefferson51
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3.2.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  @3.2.10    6 years ago

I didn’t. I never even saw what you wrote.  [deleted]

 
 
 
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3.2.13    replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.12    6 years ago

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3.2.14    replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.12    6 years ago

removed for context

 
 
 
lennylynx
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3.2.15  lennylynx  replied to  @3.2.11    6 years ago

Poor EA, always getting stifled!  Never mind this place, EA, come to the bar with me, I'm buyin! jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
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3.2.16    replied to  lennylynx @3.2.15    6 years ago

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[Please take your meta] to [metafied.

 
 
 
Jerry Verlinger
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3.2.17  Jerry Verlinger  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.3    6 years ago
.....the Court has evolved and I am willing to bet the rights of the unborn is about to change as well.

The right to life issue will never, ever be permanently solved or resolved in the United States. 

It's like the chicken and the egg issue, who prevails the unborn or the mother? 

I can tell you a whole lot of horror stories about what happened in this country when abortions were illegal. 

Legal or not legal, abortions will be performed! Either in safe, clean hospitals by qualified doctors. Or in concealed unregulated abortion dens, performed by anyone that says they know how to do it.

 

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.2.18  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.5    6 years ago
That's called Misandry. Women will have their rights. A child will have rights. As always, it all requires balance

Until they figure a way to keep a fetus alive from conception to the end of nine months without a female uterus then something will have to give, I support a woman's right to chose what happens to her body.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.2.19  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.8    6 years ago
In other words one human being wants all power of life and death over another human being.

You got that right. Right Wing misogynistic men want the right to tell women what they can do with their body's and, their lives, that goes against the Constitution and, the Civil Rights act not to mention Roe v. Wade.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.2.20  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.3    6 years ago
the Court has evolved and I am willing to bet the rights of the unborn is about to change as well.

Don't you mean devolved?

Justice Kavanaugh

384

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.21  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.2.19    6 years ago

Actually it’s the misandrist woman who arrogates the supreme power to be able to take the life of another human being male or female.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.22  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.2.20    6 years ago

That’s what happens to the presidency every time a democrat holds the office.  

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.2.23  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.21    6 years ago
Actually it’s the misandrist woman who arrogates the supreme power to be able to take the life of another human being male or female.

Give me a list of women who have killed a human being by deciding what to do with their body's in regards to Roe v. Wade.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.2.24  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.22    6 years ago
That’s what happens to the presidency every time a democrat holds the office.

It wasn't a Democrat that chose Kavanaugh, he's strictly a Republican throw back and, I wish we could throw him back.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.2.25  arkpdx  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.2.23    6 years ago

Can not give you a list. There have been upwards of 50,000,000 human beings killed by abortion (Row v Wade) since 1970. 

 
 
 
pat wilson
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3.2.26  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.21    6 years ago

A woman's reproductive decisions have nothing to do with misandry. What an ignorant comment. Google the word so you can use it correctly next time. 

 
 
 
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Freshman Silent
3.2.27    replied to  pat wilson @3.2.26    6 years ago
A woman's reproductive decisions have nothing to do with misandry. What an ignorant comment. Google the word so you can use it correctly next time. 

E.A  Does that mean that a Woman takes to heed/consideration/to mind/ respects a MANS Decision before an Abortion? ( Exceptions pending )

 If not do tell what is Misandry?

 
 
 
pat wilson
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3.2.28  pat wilson  replied to  @3.2.27    6 years ago

E.A  Does that mean that a Woman takes to heed/consideration/to mind/ respects a MANS Decision before an Abortion? ( Exceptions pending )

 If not do tell what is Misandry?

Misandry has nothing to do with abortion, your post makes no more sense than xx's.

Took 2 seconds to google, but here you go :

mis·an·dry
/miˈsandrē/
noun
  1. dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against men (i.e., the male sex).
 
 
 
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Freshman Silent
3.2.29    replied to  pat wilson @3.2.28    6 years ago
Misandry has nothing to do with abortion, your post makes no more sense than xx's. Took 2 seconds to google, but here you go :

E.A   WOW!!!

 Interesting but the Inverse!! Is Misogynistic? Spin Much?

 A Man that says a Woman should not have an ABORTION is called?

    ingrained prejudice against men

BINGO!!!!!

 
 
 
pat wilson
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3.2.30  pat wilson  replied to  @3.2.29    6 years ago

Sounds like you're conversing with yourself. Not sure if english is your first language, your posts are incoherent.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.2.31  Skrekk  replied to  pat wilson @3.2.30    6 years ago

It's not even a language issue per se.   The thinking behind his posts is incoherent, and stylistically he always tries to lead people down these vague rabbit holes......which is a truly dumb tactic if one can't communicate effectively to begin with.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.2.32  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  arkpdx @3.2.25    6 years ago
Can not give you a list.

Maybe because, that was a false claim.

There have been upwards of 50,000,000 human beings killed by abortion (Row v Wade) since 1970. 

Stop making this claim since you can't provide a list of court cases for "murdered humans".

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
3.2.33  arkpdx  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.2.32    6 years ago

Hmm!  Moving the goalposts again I see. You vdudnot say anything about court cases in the first question. 

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.2.34  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  arkpdx @3.2.33    6 years ago
Hmm!  Moving the goalposts again I see. You vdudnot say anything about court cases in the first question. 

Well hell, I thought it was obvious there Captain, you accuse someone of murdering a human don't they end up in court?

 
 
 
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Freshman Silent
3.2.35    replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.2.34    6 years ago
Well hell, I thought it was obvious there Captain, you accuse someone of murdering a human don't they end up in court?

E.A   Yes If I recall right " There was a time that Killing a Slave was not deemed as Murder " is that the times one wants to go to? or the Preferred Misuse of " Humans "?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.36  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.2.23    6 years ago

Each and every single one of them.  

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.2.37  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.36    6 years ago
Each and every single one of them.

Ok so I asked this question, "Give me a list of women who have killed a human being by deciding what to do with their body's in regards to Roe v. Wade.", and that is your answer? So, your mother killed a human being because of Roe v. Wade? Let's not forget she is a woman.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.38  Vic Eldred  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.2.20    6 years ago

Times are changing and changing fast, but the first thing to change won't be the imbalance of rights.  It will be a Court decision referred to as "Chevron". (federal agencies broad powers)  Right now there is a case awaiting the SCOTUS called "Weyerhaeuser Company v. United States Fish and Wildlife Service".  That is going to be one to watch! 

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.2.39  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.38    6 years ago
Times are changing and changing fast, but the first thing to change won't be the imbalance of rights.  It will be a Court decision referred to as "Chevron". (federal agencies broad powers)  Right now there is a case awaiting the SCOTUS called "Weyerhaeuser Company v. United States Fish and Wildlife Service".  That is going to be one to watch!

Sooo, what you're saying is you hope that the SCOTUS votes to support the company's in this so that they can destroy wetlands and, forest for profit. Do you have something against nature, hunting, fishing, fresh drinking water and, breathable air?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.40  Vic Eldred  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.2.39    6 years ago
Do you have something against nature, hunting, fishing, fresh drinking water and, breathable air?

No and you are missing the point. This is not about the environment vs business. It is about federal agencies wielding law making power that only congress should have.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.2.41  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.40    6 years ago
No and you are missing the point. This is not about the environment vs business. It is about federal agencies wielding law making power that only congress should have.

There are or, should be people in those agencies who know what they are talking about when it comes to what their agency covers, in this case, fish and, game. I understand that business's should be able to expand but, do we let them expand at the expense of certain animals habitats? If that is the case then we wouldn't have any more forests, wetlands, rivers or, any other natural areas for them to live in. In the case of this frog, there is only one place for it to survive, the land that these folks want to fill in to use for new business, I'm sure there is other land available for the business, this is the only land available for these frogs to survive. Remember, there is this little thing in nature called the "Butterfly effect".

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.42  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.40    6 years ago

That Chevron Ecuador case was perfect justice the way it turned out for all involved.  

 
 
 
Don Overton
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3.2.43  Don Overton  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.5    6 years ago

Yes a child has rights, a fetus is not a child, [deleted]

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.44  Vic Eldred  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.2.41    6 years ago
this is the only land available for these frogs to survive.

Who gets to determine what lands are off limits?   Our elected representatives or some over paid federal appointee?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.45  Vic Eldred  replied to  Don Overton @3.2.43    6 years ago

Maybe you can tell us all when life begins?

 
 
 
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3.2.46    replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.45    6 years ago
Maybe you can tell us all when life begins?

E.A    LOL:  Yes especially when Courts have stated that Both the Ova and Sperm are living, that does create a complexity, Two Living units Combine, and the end result is ????

 Let them Dig!!!!   

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.47  Vic Eldred  replied to  @3.2.46    6 years ago

Scientists don't know the answer to the question I gave to Don

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.48  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.47    6 years ago

We will settle for conception as the starting point of human life.  

 
 
 
lennylynx
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3.2.49  lennylynx  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.48    6 years ago

Did you know that most conceptions end in early abortion before the mother even knows she's pregnant?  Did these fertilized eggs go to heaven or hell?

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.2.50  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.44    6 years ago
Who gets to determine what lands are off limits?   Our elected representatives or some over paid federal appointee?

Does that representative have a science degree in the field needed to make that decision or, does that "over paid" federal appointee have that degree?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.51  Vic Eldred  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.2.50    6 years ago

So you would rather have an "expert" have the authority to make law, rather than the American people. I'm with the founding fathers. Only the congress gets to make laws.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.2.52  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.51    6 years ago
So you would rather have an "expert" have the authority to make law, rather than the American people. I'm with the founding fathers. Only the congress gets to make laws.

I believe that expert should be able to make a suggestion as to what restrictions should be on certain lands and, that Congress can then decide on a fitting law to cover that restriction. The EPA and, the Bureau of Land Management and, Fish and, Game should have a say in what restrictions there are on the use of our lands, if this isn't done then we will see many things go the way of the Dodo bird. We almost lost the wolf which was proven to be a disaster in some areas because of the over population of other animals that they kept in check, we've seen the introduction of plants that have taken over certain areas simply because there was no natural barrier to them like in the area that they came from.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.53  Vic Eldred  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.2.52    6 years ago
I believe that expert should be able to make a suggestion as to what restrictions should be on certain lands and, that Congress can then decide on a fitting law to cover that restriction.

Good. Then we agree.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.2.54  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.53    6 years ago
Good. Then we agree.

Only in part, as I said in the rest of my comment, The EPA and, the Bureau of Land Management and, Fish and, Game should have a say in what restrictions there are on the use of our lands, if this isn't done then we will see many things go the way of the Dodo bird. We almost lost the wolf which was proven to be a disaster in some areas because of the over population of other animals that they kept in check, we've seen the introduction of plants that have taken over certain areas simply because there was no natural barrier to them like in the area that they came from.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.55  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.2.54    6 years ago

Restrictions on the use of our land should be kept to an absolute minimum to meet public needs beyond what the private sector would do.  I’m just glad the current ones in those federal agencies are rolling back the regulatory excesses of the prior administration.  

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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3.4  Jasper2529  replied to  lib50 @3    6 years ago
Poor, poor frightened conservatives, so afraid of boogey men and women of color, so easily manipulated by their fear and biases

Why would any conservative be afraid of hypocrites? Allow me to introduce you to fake news CNN hypocrite Don Lemon, who infamously said, "“the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right”.

His boyfriend is a white man. Don't believe me? Check the photos for yourself.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4938534/Don-Lemon-leaves-SNL-pary-rumored-boyfriend.html 

 

 
 
 
lib50
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3.4.1  lib50  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.4    6 years ago

That whole post made no sense whatsoever.

ps, domestic terrorism in this country this year?  Old white men.  Deal with it.

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.4.2  cjcold  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.4    6 years ago

The only fake news is that generated by Trump and the far right wing. It's been that way since Fox.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.4.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  cjcold @3.4.2    6 years ago

Fox News is fair and balanced, unlike all of the fake news lamestream media.   They filled a demographic void in media by telling the truth.  They report the news and let us decide.  Fox News like Rush Limbaugh a decade before opened up the media to fairness and being balanced at least a little and before long the same will happen on line too.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.4.5  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.3    6 years ago
Fox News is fair and balanced,

No they aren't. They even dropped the, "fair and balanced" tag line several months ago because even they know they are not fair and balanced. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.4.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MrFrost @3.4.5    6 years ago

They replaced it because it was aged but true over 20 year old statement of fact.  New management new direction no big deal.  On air talent there still use it.  

 
 
 
Jerry Verlinger
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3.4.7  Jerry Verlinger  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.4    6 years ago
“the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right”

You're one of them.

Twenty Five years from now whites will become another minority in the United States. Have fun.

I won't be here unless I live to be 104.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

Anyone ever notice that when the not to be named left of center members comment on my seeds that few if any of their comments are on the actual subject of the seeded article?  

 
 
 
pat wilson
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4.1  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4    6 years ago

512

 
 
 
Skrekk
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4.1.3  Skrekk  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.1    6 years ago

It's not the role of the press to be cheerleaders for any president, that's the role of partisan Pravda groups like Fox.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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4.1.5  Skrekk  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.4    6 years ago
That's absolutely hilarious.   The MSM fawned over the Pretender in Chief and his abysmal failure during his eight years in office in one President Obama.

He was definitely a far more competent and ethical president and thus less newsworthy, and he didn't have Trump's weird compulsion to seek constant public attention and make himself the news.    No wonder he's known as "No Drama Obama."

 
 
 
Skrekk
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4.1.9  Skrekk  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.8    6 years ago

It's a shame that such a truly great president had to waste so much time and effort steering the economy out of the ditch which the GOP drove it in to.    Nor is it a surprise that the racist GOP planned in advance to obstruct everything the first black prez tried to accomplish.    Fortunately they weren't entirely successful and Obama is still far more popular than our Fuhrer.    Too bad he can't run again - the US and the world would be far better off if he could.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.1.11  Split Personality  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.4    6 years ago
But fortunately, unlike Obama, President Trump wants to see America not only succeed,

We will have to agree to disagree.

but regain it's position as the predominant force, militarily, economically,

It has never been less than the number one military or economy on the planet

and socially force on the planet as it once was

Socially??  Really?  lol

 And Trump IS succeeding, as much angst as that causes you, he is succeeding.

Yes, the momentum of a juggernaut  is a hard thing to stop, even for Trump.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.1.12  MrFrost  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.10    6 years ago

1. Ended the 2008 Recession

In February 2009, Congress approved Obama's  $787 billion economic stimulus package . It cut taxes,  extended unemployment benefits , and funded public works projects.

The  recession  ended in July 2009 when  GDP growth  turned positive.

In just seven months,  the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act  pumped $241.9 billion into the economy. That increased growth to  a robust 3.9 percent rate  by early 2010. By March 30, 2011, almost all ($633.5 billion) of the funds were spent. 

2. Modernized the Auto Industry

Obama   bailed out the U.S. auto industry  on March 30, 2009. The federal government took over General Motors and Chrysler, saving three million jobs. It forced the companies to become more fuel efficient and therefore more globally competitive.

3. Received the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize

On October 9, 2009,   Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize . The Committee lauded "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples."  He withdrew troops from Iraq in 2011. He  reduced the U.S. nuclear warhead stockpile by 10 percent

4. Reformed Health Care

On March 23, 2010, the   Affordable Care Act  revolutionized healthcare. By 2014, the economy benefited from having 95 percent of the population on health insurance.

The greater number of people receiving  preventive care  reduced the number of expensive visits to emergency rooms.

That slows the   rise of health care costs   for everyone. That's because Medicaid reimburses hospitals for emergency care. Those are the most significant of   Obamacare's 10 advantages .

Why did  health care need to be reformed?  Rising costs threatened to take over the entire   federal budget . It was also the   no.1 cause of bankruptcies . In return, Americans received the worst health care in the developed world. It is the only one of 33 developed countries without   universal health care .

President Donald Trump   promised to "repeal and replace"   Obamacare . As of October 2017, he has failed to pass any legislation. But he is   weakening Obamacare even without repeal .

5. Regulated the Big Banks

In July 2010, the  Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform Act  improved regulation of eight areas that led to the financial crisis. The  Consumer Financial Protection Agency  reduced harmful practices of credit cards and mortgages. The Financial Stability Oversight Council regulated  hedge funds  and  banks  that became  too big to fail . The " Volcker Rule " banned banks from risking losses with their depositors' money. Dodd-Frank clarified which agencies regulated which banks, stopping banks from cherry-picking their regulators.

Dodd-Frank directed the  Securities and Exchange Commission  and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. These regulated the riskiest  derivatives , like  credit default swaps  and  commodities futures . Dodd-Frank also asked the SEC to recommend how the credit rating agencies, like Moody's and Standard & Poor's, could be improved. 

6. 2010 Tax Cuts

In December 2010, Obama and Congress agreed upon additional stimulus in the form of an   $858 billion tax cut . It had three main components: a  $350 billion extension  of the  Bush tax cuts , a $56 billion  extension of unemployment benefits , and a $120 billion reduction in workers'  payroll taxes . Businesses received $140 billion in  tax cuts  for  capital improvements   and $80 billion in research and  development tax credits . The estate tax was exempted (up to $5 million), and there were additional credits for college tuition and children.

 

7. Eliminated bin Laden Threat and Withdrew Troops from Iraq and Afghanistan Wars

On May 1, 2011, Navy SEALs attacked the al-Qaida leader's compound in Pakistan and eliminated Osama bin Laden. Later that year, Obama withdrew troops from the  Iraq War . Three years later, renewed threats from ISIS meant troops had to return. The  Sunni-Shiite split  within Islam means there may always be wars in the Middle East. 

In 2014, Obama wound down the  war in Afghanistan . Ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan should have reduced annual military spending. At over  $800 billion , it was the largest  discretionary budget  item and one of the leading causes of the  budget deficit   and national debt.

Instead, spending on the  War on Terror  remained higher than during the  Bush administration

8. Raised Fuel Efficiency Standards

On August 28, 2012, the Obama administration announced new fuel efficiency standards. He required cars and light trucks obtain   54.5 MPG by 2025 . That would reduce oil consumption by 12 billion barrels, saving drivers $1.7 trillion. It would also reduce the damage of climate change by lowering greenhouse gases.

The   Trump administration promised to roll back   these standards. But California requires zero-emissions vehicles. Twelve other states adopted the mandate. Major automakers must build cars to meet stricter standards in the European Union and Asia. 

9. Won 2012 Presidential Re-election

On November 6, 2012, Obama won a second term. Republican Presidential candidate   Mitt Romney   promised to repeal Obamacare and Dodd-Frank. Voters were not sure about eliminating health benefits and regulations against big banks. Romney failed to capture the country's imagination by not presenting a new vision for economic growth.

10. Reduced Carbon Emissions

Obama announced  carbon reduction regulations  in 2014. He enacted the  Clean Power Plan  in 2015. It reduces carbon dioxide emissions by 32 percent from 2005 levels by 2030. It did this by setting carbon reduction goals for the nation's power plants. To comply, power plants agreed to create 30 percent more renewable energy generation by 2030. It encourages  carbon emissions trading  by allowing states that emit less than the   carbon cap to trade their surplus  to states that emit more than the cap.  

11. Nuclear Agreement With Iran

On July 14, 2015, Obama brokered a   nuclear peace agreement with Iran . That meant Iran could not longer build a nuclear bomb in three months. Instead, it would take at least a year. In return, the United Nations lifted the economic sanctions it imposed in 2010. Trump is weakening the agreement to try and negotiate a better deal for the United States. 

12. World's Largest Trade Agreement

On October 4, 2015, Obama's team negotiated the   Trans-Pacific Partnership . It would have replaced NAFTA as the world's largest  free-trade agreement . It would have removed tariffs between the United States and 11 other countries that border the Pacific Ocean. On January 23, 2017, Trump withdrew the United States from the agreement. The other countries are planning to continue the agreement anyway. Japan and the European Union are negotiating their own agreement.

Obama launched the  Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership  between the United States and the  European Union .

His term ended before negotiations could be finalized. It would have been bigger than the TPP. Trump has not moved forward on the TTIP.

13. International Climate Change Agreement

On December 12, 2015, Obama and 196 other countries announced the  Paris Climate Agreement . Countries   agreed to reduce carbon emissions   and increase carbon trading. The goal is to limit  global warming  to 2 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial temperatures. Developed countries will contribute $100 billion a year to assist emerging markets. They bear the brunt of damage from  climate change . They face increased typhoons, rising sea levels, and more severe droughts.

On October 5, 2016, enough countries ratified the agreement that it went into effect. At the 2016  G20 meeting , China and the United States agreed to ratify the agreement. These two countries are the world's largest emitters of greenhouse gases. On June 1, 2017, Trump announced the U.S. withdrawal from the agreement. 

14. Best Job Creator

Obama is the biggest  job-creating president  in U.S. history. His policies put 22.309 million people to work from the depths of the recession in January 2010 to the end of his term. That's because unemployment continued to rise even after the recession ended in 2009. It takes a few months of economic growth before businesses are confident enough to begin hiring again.

Since the beginning of his term, he put 17.267 million people to work. That makes him the second best job-creator, following Bill Clinton.

Job gains would have been even better if Congress had approved Obama's proposed American Jobs Act.

Other Accomplishments

Maintained Continuation of Federal Reserve Policy -  Obama appointed Federal Reserve Vice-Chair  Janet Yellen  to replace Ben Bernanke. She maintained an  expansionary monetary policy  that created the lowest interest rates in 200 years. This allowed the early stages of the housing recovery and slow but steady business expansion to continue. That's because  Treasury yields affect mortgage interest rates .

Deficit Spending -  The major mark against   Obama is the increase in the national debt . Part of the reason for this increase was the  deficit spending  he used to stimulate the economy. Deficits fell in his second term.   Obama's total projected deficits  are $6.576 trillion.

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No Personal Scandal  - One achievement has gone unnoticed but is nevertheless admirable. That's Obama's unblemished personal record. President Obama has served longer than any president in decades without the appearance of the word “scandal” on the front page of The Washington Post. The Washington Monthly has published  Obama's top 50 accomplishments

Obama's Advisers

Part of the reason for Obama's success is his first team of economic advisers. Many of them helped formulate the policies he outlined during his  2008 campaign platform , including an aggressive fiscal stimulus plan to put the country back on track. He was applauded for appointing former  Federal Reserve  Chairman  Paul Volcker  as the head of the Economic Advisory Panel. He named Mary Schapiro head of the  Securities  and Exchange Commission following the  Madoff Ponzi scheme . He was criticized for including former  Treasury Secretary   Lawrence Summers , who oversaw repeal of the  Glass-Steagall Act .

By January 2011, infighting had sent Larry Summers, Christina Romer, Peter Orszag and Paul Volcker on their way. 

Obama's Early Years

Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 19651. He received his B.A. from Columbia University in 1983 and his J.D. from Harvard Law School in 1991. He was a professor of constitutional law for the University of Chicago from 1992 to 2004. He published his autobiography " Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance " in 1995.

He became an Illinois State Senator in 1996. He served until he became a U.S. Senator in 2005. He gained national attention when he spoke on behalf of John Kerry at the 2004   Democratic   National Convention. He published " The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream " in 2006. (Sources: " Barack Obama ," Whitehouse.gov. " Barack Obama ," Biography.com. " Obama's Top 50 Accomplishments, Revisited ," Washington Monthly, January 2017.)

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
4.1.13  Split Personality  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.10    6 years ago

Only two modern American Presidents had to deal with a completely collapsed economy during a global depression.

FDR did it and the only thing that bailed him out was a World War.

Obama did it without getting 418,500 of us killed.

The repeated decrying of how Bush, Obama, Congress and the Fed shored up the economy for 7 years is just getting older and older.

it worked reasonably well, that's all that really matters...

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
4.1.14  MrFrost  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.10    6 years ago

512

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
4.1.15  MrFrost  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.10    6 years ago

512

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
4.1.16  MrFrost  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.10    6 years ago

512

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Participates
4.1.17  Skrekk  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.7    6 years ago
Other than being black of course, which admittedly he wasn't even responsible for that....   his absent father was.

Sounds like those things disturb you a great deal.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
4.1.18  Split Personality  replied to    6 years ago
the benefits he hasn't done shit to help the black community

He wasn't elected by black people to help black people. 

IF Obama had done even one thing  SUSPECTED of ANYTHING remotely "helping" the black community, he would have been

  • done after the first 4 years
  • excoriated at any time, for being prejudiced, biased, etc.
  • and assassinated
  • not just routinely hung in effigy

He was everyone's POTUS and he did it very evenly, in spite of the direct and indirect racism exhibited during his time in office,

(which actually continues to this day, especially on the internet from his many detractors, who while denying that they are racist in any way

constantly remind us that he is black...)

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Participates
4.1.19  Skrekk  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.18    6 years ago
(which actually continues to this day, especially on the internet from his many detractors, who while denying that they are racist in any way constantly remind us that he is black...)

Bingo.   They can't seem to get over that fact and it upsets them to this day.    It's also the main reason they voted for the racist King of the Birthers.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
4.1.20  cjcold  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.1    6 years ago

 ACCOMPLISHMENTS of President Trump

Any accomplishments you tout for Trump are the result of Obama's 8 years of stable leadership.

Trump has done nothing but set up the middle class and the environment for a terrible beating.

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Participates
4.1.21  pat wilson  replied to    6 years ago
Obama was lazy didn't care all he wanted was 8 years and  the benefits

That's BS Muva. He didn't have the luxury of being lazy like trump does. trump inherited a rising economy. Obama was elected while the economy had just entered a melt-down phase. That phase was almost as bad as The Great Depression.

I don't know about your business but mine suffered mightily. When Obama woke up the day after the election his door bell rang and he faced an economy the was pretty much a burning sack of shit. He had to spend great energy and resources to correct our listing ship of state.

You know it and I know it.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.1.22  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  pat wilson @4.1.21    6 years ago

The Bush administration did the heavy lifting to get us out of the worst of the democrat party caused housing bubble recession before Obama was inaugurated.  All Obama’s economic decisions except preserving 98% of the Bush tax cuts permanently were a net drag on the economy thus the worst post recession economic recovery ever during his terms.  

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Participates
4.1.23  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.22    6 years ago

You're so misguided I don't know where to start. Have fun.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.1.24  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  cjcold @4.1.20    6 years ago

Trump has done a great job as our President, particularly on economic issues and national security.  How is the middle class going to take a beating?  As part of the collateral damage that some most suffer from Nancy Pelosis new policies as she in full vengeance takes the governments crumbs back from us? 

 
 
 
Don Overton
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4.1.25  Don Overton  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.1    6 years ago

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Don Overton
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4.1.26  Don Overton  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.10    6 years ago

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Jerry Verlinger
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4.2  Jerry Verlinger  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4    6 years ago
Anyone ever notice that when the not to be named left of center members comment on my seeds that few if any of their comments are on the actual subject of the seeded article?

It's hard for us to focus that far to the Right Corny.

Anyway, when I show up on one of your articles it's only to bust your bubble, which is the only thing your twisted articles are good for

 
 
 
Don Overton
Sophomore Quiet
4.2.1  Don Overton  replied to  Jerry Verlinger @4.2    6 years ago

O snap jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
4.3  Jasper2529  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4    6 years ago
Anyone ever notice that when the not to be named left of center members comment on my seeds that few if any of their comments are on the actual subject of the seeded article?

Do you mean like the first sentence of comment  3.4.7  ?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.3    6 years ago

As long as he keeps seeding articles ridiculously claiming that Trump is a fine upstanding human being, we will keep ridiculing them. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
4.3.2  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @4.3.1    6 years ago

John, you completely missed my point. I was referring to Jerry's reply to me. jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Don Overton
Sophomore Quiet
4.4  Don Overton  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4    6 years ago

Hell Palin you never stay on topic, but after today anything you say will be pure BS

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
5  bbl-1    6 years ago

The 'Fake News' meme never ends. 

However, if it weren't for 'fake news' DJT would never be the 'fake president.

This too.  Speaking of fake news.  The Donald was never asked to 'put up or shut up' with his Birtherism conspiracies.  And I do mean asked/demanded!  Why is that?  And if this man, the Donald J. Trump would have been forced to present his facts, truth and the results of his alleged investigators findings-----which DJT was never pressed------the Donald would still be that 'broke arse' New Yorker with the Slovenian wife---with hand out to the Russians or any other foreign criminal enterprise that was stupid enough to get involved with him.

And yeah Xx------this thing should have a disclaimer.  Where is it?

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Participates
5.1  Skrekk  replied to  bbl-1 @5    6 years ago

It's interesting that the only thing which actually bothers Trump and his nutty followers is the truth, not lies.    They literally don't care how much their glorious leader or Fox lie to them.

 
 
 
Jerry Verlinger
Freshman Silent
5.2  Jerry Verlinger  replied to  bbl-1 @5    6 years ago
"....if it weren't for 'fake news' DJT would never be the 'fake president."
jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Jerry Verlinger @5.2    6 years ago

DONALD Trump and his presidency are quite real to all sober Americans. We don’t need to delude ourselves into believing that November 8, 2016 didn’t happen.  I popped open a bottle of Martinellis when the news cut to the democrats crying at the Hillary victory party 🎈 🎉 that night.  Even though I didn’t vote for Trump, the sense of relief I felt when I realized that that witch wouldn’t be our President was sheer pleasure.  

 
 
 
Don Overton
Sophomore Quiet
5.2.2  Don Overton  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.1    6 years ago

Your comments get more funny every time you 

comment.  Are you trying out for the comedy stage at the next trump flop

 
 
 
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Freshman Silent
6      6 years ago

XX  have you noticed the Takeover of you seed by " 

Dorothy Dixer
  • In Australian politics, a Dorothy Dixer is a rehearsed or planted question asked of a government Minister by a backbencher of their own political party during Parliamentary Question Time

 ?

 Other ways known as " Talking Heads " 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
6.1  Split Personality  replied to  @6    6 years ago

context EA, context.

A Dorothy Dixer is a plant to help said minister or seeder/author.

In Australian politics , a Dorothy Dixer is a rehearsed or planted question asked of a government Minister by a backbencher of their own political party during Parliamentary Question Time . [1]

The term can be used in a mildly derogatory sense, but in common usage today is simply pre-arranged questions from a friendly audience member. Often, the question has been written by the Minister or their staff rather than by the questioner, and is used to give the Minister a chance to promote themselves or the work of the Government, or to criticise the opposition party's policies, to raise the profile of the backbench Member asking the question, or to consume the time available for questioning and thereby avoid tougher questions. It is a common and widely accepted tactic during Question Time in the House of Representatives and the Senate .

While it is not very common in the Australian context, it would be possible for a backbencher on the Government side of the house to ask a member of the Government a question without it being regarded as a Dorothy Dixer. Such a question would be one that the Minister had not planted and was not aware of in advance.

It is common for "Dorothy Dixers" to end in the question: "Is the Minister aware of any alternative policies?" This enables the responding Minister to launch into extended criticism of the Opposition and its policy on the question's subject matter, while still remaining technically relevant to the question as asked, as Standing orders require.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7  JohnRussell    6 years ago

This is an interesting article. I looked up the source on Media Bias Fact Check and this is part of the analysis

American Liberty Report utilizes quotes vs. links, which makes it difficult to verify the context and facts of the information. ..... the lack of proper sourcing decreases the credibility of their writings.

When you observe the actual seeded article you see something peculiar in the places where the writer is quoting another person

“I think there is blame on both sides,” the president reportedly said in August 2017. “You had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides.”

The president didn't reportedly say there were "fine people on both sides", he said it.  The seeded article has ZERO links, MBFC says that the American Liberty Report doesn't often use links in their articles. Nor do they seem confident in the quotes or sources. Obviously it is a flimsy far right "news" site trying to exploit feeble minds. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
7.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @7    6 years ago

you were trying to make a point?  

 
 
 
Don Overton
Sophomore Quiet
7.1.1  Don Overton  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1    6 years ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1    6 years ago

Yes, your site , American Liberty report, is a joke. They don't use links to other more reputable news sources, they use "quotes", and then we see all of the statements in quotation marks have the words "reportedly said".  Accurate quotes don't need the word "reportedly", they are quotes. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
7.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.2    6 years ago

It’s a replacement for another site I can’t use anymore that I always used to use before the jackboot bigot who runs another site got dictatorial powers over content here.  I went to that site to find the most hard right sites he was most critical of but didn’t rate them hate because of the SPLC hater group, questionable for being too pro Trump, or pseudoscience because of their religious beliefs like mine.  So the further to the right on his arrow and the more critical of the site he is the more likely I’ll use it.  Many of the sites are further right than the ones they are replacing.  

 
 
 
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Freshman Silent
8      6 years ago

What's happening in Senate races?
Mr Trump's party is projected to hold on to the upper chamber in Congress, where they currently hold a slim 51-49 majority.
The turning point was when Republican businessman Mike Braun ousted incumbent Joe Donnelly, a moderate Democrat in Indiana.
White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Mr Trump had "closed the deal" for Mr Braun after appearing alongside him at a rally in the state on Monday night.
In Texas, Republican Ted Cruz Cruz was projected to beat his challenger, Democratic rising star Beto O'Rourke.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
8.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  @8    6 years ago

The senate results were great!  

 
 

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