SPLC Tells Americans to 'Fight Hate' by Voting Democrat

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SPLC Tells Americans to 'Fight Hate' by Voting Democrat
The SPLC has wielded the "hate group" label as a cudgel against anyone brazen enough to oppose liberal orthodoxy on issues ranging from Islam to immigration to LGBT activism. The group branded ACT for America a "hate group," leading Hyatt Hotels to ban them last month. The Left-wing smear group has branded Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), a Christian law firm that won nine Supreme Court cases in the last seven years, a "hate group," twisting out of context decades-old quotes about homosexuality. The SPLC also placed D. James Kennedy Ministries on their "hate group" list, leading Amazon to exclude the nonprofit from its charity program, Amazon Smile. D. James Kennedy Ministries responded with a lawsuit. The SPLC branded the small Catholic nonprofit the Ruth Institute a "hate group," citing the Catechism of the Catholic Church's position against same-sex marriage. By the SPLC's logic, 1 billion human beings belong to an anti-LGBT hate group headed by Pope Francis.

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On the eve of the midterm elections, the far-Left smear group the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) urged Americans to "fight hate" by voting — and they don't mean voting to support President Donald Trump or his party. In fact, the group clearly intended to convey the message, "To fight hate, vote Democrat."

"The midterm elections on Tuesday are not about partisan politics," SPLC President Richard Cohen said in post called "To fight hate, vote." Cohen argued that the midterms are "about the future of our country. Whatever your political persuasion, reject hate and vote."

The post began by referencing three horrific attacks and suggesting that President Trump was the source behind them:

First, a white gunman killed two African Americans in Jeffersontown, Kentucky, after trying to break into a black church.

Then, a man who reportedly identified as a white supremacist was arrested for mailing pipe bombs to President Barack Obama, George Soros, Hillary Clinton and other people President Trump has criticized.

And on Saturday morning, as worshippers gathered at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, a white gunman shouted “All Jews must die” as he opened fire, killing 11 people.

Behind each attack was the same kind of naked hate.

Notice the subterfuge. The SPLC only mentioned Trump in the case of Cesar Sayoc, the alleged "MAGA bomber." The political affiliation of the alleged Jeffersontown shooter remains unknown, and it seems unlikely this hater of black people would be glad to hear Trump hosted a huge meeting of black conservatives at the White House just last week. The Pittsburgh synagogue shooter loathed Trump, attacking him as controlled by Jews.

The SPLC previously attempted to tie Trump to the synagogue shooter, despite the fact that shooter hated Trump. The group also suggested Trump's opposition to "globalism" is coded language for anti-Semitism. Trump, the proud father of a convert to Judaism and a staunch supporter of the state of Israel, seems an odd target for charges of anti-Semitism. Trump's opposition to globalism has everything to do with the UN and loss of national sovereignty and nothing to do with anti-Semitism.

The SPLC's post went on to describe other horrific acts of terror:

Last week’s terrorist attacks were far from the first of their kind. Three years ago, white supremacist Dylann Roof massacred nine African Americans at a church in Charleston. Three years before that, neo-Nazi Wade Michael Page killed six at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin. And there have been many other far-right attacks and plots in recent years.

"This irrational fear that 'the other' — minorities and people of color — will take the country away from whites is the through-line connecting a spate of violence targeted at houses of worship across different religions in just the past six years," Heidi Beirich, director of the SPLC's Intelligence Project, argued.



If it were not clear the SPLC's remarks against "hate" were aimed at Trump and his party, the group made it clear Tuesday morning by tying Trump's immigration policy to "white supremacist goals."

The SPLC focuses on "hate crimes," and this obsession blinds them to the fact that there have been 1,705 deadly force attacks against religious organizations — churches, mosques, synagogues, temples — since 1999, only 5.87 percent of which were motivated by animus against people groups.

None of this diminishes the utter disgusting evil of the Pittsburgh shooter, the MAGA bomber, the white supremacist Charleston shooter, or others. It does suggest, and underscore, the fact that the SPLC specifically chooses the attacks that fit their narrative, conveniently ignoring those that do not.

According to Carl Chinn, founder of the Faith Based Security Network, the deadly-force attacks were motivated by robbery (25.97 percent), domestic disputes (16 percent), personal conflict (13.6 percent), mental illness (10.97 percent), or gang-related issues (8.89 percent).

Chinn remarked that "the Southern Poverty Law Center is a flagship for what's wrong with the study of hate crimes." The SPLC brands mainstream conservative and Christian groups "hate groups," and focuses on instances of apparent animus against people due to their skin color, sexual orientation, or other characteristics. The group has been known to fall for "hate" hoaxes and to fail to correct the record afterwards.

Most important for any description of fighting "hate," however, the SPLC has published a "hate map" plotting every "hate group" across America. One terrorist used this "hate map" to attack the Family Research Council (FRC), intending to shoot everyone in the building. The man who shot Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.) at the congressional baseball game shooting last year, and aimed to kill many congressional Republicans, also "liked" the SPLC on Facebook. The SPLC had repeatedly attacked Scalise specifically.

In its haste to fight "hate," it seems the SPLC has itself inspired a great deal of "hate." Furthermore, the SPLC wrongly listed Maajid Nawaz, a Muslim reformer, as an "anti-Muslim extremist." The group paid Nawaz's organization $3.375 million in a settlement, and about 60 organizations immediately began discussing whether or not they have a defamation case against the SPLC.

The SPLC has wielded the "hate group" label as a cudgel against anyone brazen enough to oppose liberal orthodoxy on issues ranging from Islam to immigration to LGBT activism. The group branded ACT for America a "hate group," leading Hyatt Hotels to ban them last month.



The Left-wing smear group has branded Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), a Christian law firm that won nine Supreme Court cases in the last seven years, a "hate group," twisting out of contextdecades-old quotes about homosexuality. The SPLC also placed D. James Kennedy Ministries on their "hate group" list, leading Amazon to exclude the nonprofit from its charity program, Amazon Smile. D. James Kennedy Ministries responded with a lawsuit.

The SPLC branded the small Catholic nonprofit the Ruth Institute a "hate group," citing the Catechism of the Catholic Church's position against same-sex marriage. By the SPLC's logic, 1 billion human beings belong to an anti-LGBT hate group headed by Pope Francis.

After the white nationalist riots in Charlottesville, Va., last year, the SPLC published a "hate map" plotting Confederate monuments. This map, released at a time when protesters were targeting these monuments for violent protest and vandalism, included elementary schools, middle schools, and high schools. The map even included Stonewall Elementary, which was named after a stone wall, not General Stonewall Jackson.


As Americans vote on Tuesday, they would do well to discount any advice from the SPLC. Voting Democrat does not constitute voting "against hate."

Indeed, Shane Mekeland, a Republican candidate for Minnesota's state House, blamed Democrats for inspiring the incivility that led a man to punch him out of nowhere, leaving him with a concussion and the inability to campaign outside without getting a headache.

"They're constantly driving this narrative of 'It's okay to be violent,'" Mekeland said. How do they drive this narrative? Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) called on activists to harass members of the Trump administration in public places like gas stations and restaurants. Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) encouraged activists to "get up in the face" of Republican candidates and office-holders. Hillary Clinton said Democrats "cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for." Eric Holder declared, "When they go low, we kick them."

America's civility crisis is a good reason to vote Republican, not Democrat. The SPLC, in seeking to find any excuse to connect Trump to the latest domestic tragedy, seems utterly blind to the dangers of a Democratic mob. They're too busy finding anti-Semitic "dogwhistles" uttered by a president who welcomed Jews into his family with open arms.

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MBFC really sucks
1  seeder  MBFC really sucks    2 weeks ago

“Chinn remarked that "the Southern Poverty Law Center is a flagship for what's wrong with the study of hate crimes." The SPLC brands mainstream conservative and Christian groups "hate groups," and focuses on instances of apparent animus against people due to their skin color, sexual orientation, or other characteristics. The group has been known to fall for "hate" hoaxes and to fail to correct the record afterwards.” ....... “Indeed, Shane Mekeland, a Republican candidate for Minnesota's state House, blamed Democrats for inspiring the incivility that led a man to punch him out of nowhere, leaving him with a concussion and the inability to campaign outside without getting a headache.

"They're constantly driving this narrative of 'It's okay to be violent,'" Mekeland said. How do they drive this narrative? Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) called on activists to harass members of the Trump administration in public places like gas stations and restaurants. Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) encouraged activists to "get up in the face" of Republican candidates and office-holders. Hillary Clinton said Democrats "cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for." Eric Holder declared, "When they go low, we kick them."

America's civility crisis is a good reason to vote Republican, not Democrat. The SPLC, in seeking to find any excuse to connect Trump to the latest domestic tragedy, seems utterly blind to the dangers of a Democratic mob. They're too busy finding anti-Semitic "dogwhistles" uttered by a president who welcomed Jews into his family with open arms.”

 
 
epistte
1.1  epistte  replied to  MBFC really sucks @1    2 weeks ago
“Chinn remarked that "the Southern Poverty Law Center is a flagship for what's wrong with the study of hate crimes." The SPLC brands mainstream conservative and Christian groups "hate groups," and focuses on instances of apparent animus against people due to their skin color, sexual orientation, or other characteristics. The group has been known to fall for "hate" hoaxes and to fail to correct the record afterwards.” ....... “Indeed, Shane Mekeland, a Republican candidate for Minnesota's state House, blamed Democrats for inspiring the incivility that led a man to punch him out of nowhere, leaving him with a concussion and the inability to campaign outside without getting a headache.

Kim Davis was kicked to the curb by Kentucky voters and the Governor of Colorado is gay, so Jack Phillips better watch his step. 

 
 
MBFC really sucks
1.1.1  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  epistte @1.1    2 weeks ago

Why?  Is the gay bigot governor going to be persecuting Christians when he takes office just like the SPLC does? 

 
 
epistte
1.1.2  epistte  replied to  MBFC really sucks @1.1.1    2 weeks ago
Why?  Is the gay bigot governor going to be persecuting Christians when he takes office just like the SPLC does? 

Who said that governor of Colorado is a bigot, unless you believe that all LGBT are bigots because they refuse to allow religious people to trample on the constitutional rights of others? 

How does the SPLC persecute Christians? Do they have a top-secret lion breeding program that nobody else knows about?  

 
 
MBFC really sucks
1.1.3  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  epistte @1.1.2    2 weeks ago

Only hate filled bigots would seek to coerce or compel others to violate the free exercise there of of another’s religious beliefs when they can find others willing to participate in their rituals.  

 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  epistte @1.1.2    2 weeks ago
because they refuse to allow religious people to trample on the constitutional rights of others?

"But you're not letting me discriminate against you! Whaaaaaah! Why won't you just go away and die, you make me feel guilty for hating you, why do you even exist? Gay is a choice! You're choosing to make me angry and mad at you, why? Why won't you just do what my invisible wizard in the sky demands of you? Don't you understand? That's the only way your invisible immortal soul won't be tormented for eternity by my loving God. I mean, can't you tell I'm doing all this out of love?..."

It's what virtually every conservative Republican is thinking but is too chicken shit to vocalize because if they did they and everyone around them would realize how incredibly full of shit they are, forcing something they have to rely on "faith", aka absence of any proof, on everyone around them. They adopted archaic morals and are trying to impose them on every other American against their will, all out of the "goodness" of their hearts.

 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  MBFC really sucks @1.1.3    2 weeks ago
Only hate filled bigots would seek to coerce or compel others to violate the free exercise there of of another’s religious beliefs when they can find others willing to participate in their rituals.  

Only hate filled bigots would seek to coerce or compel others to violate the free exercise of another's choice not to believe in religion and those who have no desire to force others to participate in a fantasy reality, aka belief in an invisible alien being they have zero evidence of. But that's evangelical Christianity for you.

 
 
epistte
1.1.6  epistte  replied to  MBFC really sucks @1.1.3    2 weeks ago
Only hate filled bigots would seek to coerce or compel others to violate the free exercise there of of another’s religious beliefs when they can find others willing to participate in their rituals.  

Jack Phillips has the same free speech and religious rights as everyone else. Discrimination in a public business is not a religious right, despite your emotional attempt to spin it.   There are laws that much be followed when you choose to open a business that serves the public, so if he doesn't like those laws then sell the business or make it a private club. 

He is not participating in any rituals, so drop the strawman.

 
 
Phoenyx13
1.1.7  Phoenyx13  replied to  MBFC really sucks @1.1.3    one week ago
Only hate filled bigots would seek to coerce or compel others to violate the free exercise there of of another’s religious beliefs when they can find others willing to participate in their rituals.

so you are upset with anti-discrimination laws that business owners voluntarily agree to abide by when they voluntarily open their public business to serve the public ?

 
 
Tessylo
1.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Phoenyx13 @1.1.7    one week ago

I think it was Stephen Colbert who said that the first gay mayor or governor,  I forget, of Colorado should call Jack Phelps and order a celebration cake.

 
 
epistte
1.1.9  epistte  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.8    one week ago

It is the governor-elect of Colorado that is gay.

 
 
Texan1211
1.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  epistte @1.1.9    one week ago

Some would call him "light in the loafers" or a "swish".

Not ME, but others have used those terms here.

 
 
bbl-1
2  bbl-1    2 weeks ago

Holy crackers.  The pipe bombers van in Florida is emblazoned with the Trump message of peace, harmony and love.  Dems must be nuts.  The SPLC is funded by the Saudis and Russians, right?

s/

 
 
MBFC really sucks
2.1  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  bbl-1 @2    2 weeks ago

The pipe bomber is a mental case.  As to the SPLC, they are a bigoted hate group that has inspired acts of terrorism against mainstream conservatives they have falsely defamed and libeled as so called hate groups.  

 
 
JBB
2.1.1  JBB  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1    2 weeks ago

You mean the KKK is not a hate group? What of Westboro Baptists?

The SPLC has strict standards it uses to determine and certify who are hate groups like The Family Research Council and Focus on the Family...

 
 
epistte
2.1.2  epistte  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1    2 weeks ago
The pipe bomber is a mental case.  As to the SPLC, they are a bigoted hate group that has inspired acts of terrorism against mainstream conservatives they have falsely defamed and libeled as so called hate groups.  

What acts of terrorism against mainstream conservatives are you referring to? 

Who has been defamed and libeled?

 
 
Krishna
2.1.3  Krishna  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1    2 weeks ago
The pipe bomber is a mental case.

Unlike most terrorists, who are of course very well adjusted individuals . . .

/sarc

 
 
Krishna
2.1.4  Krishna  replied to  JBB @2.1.1    2 weeks ago
You mean the KKK is not a hate group? 

They are active participants in our political process!

Former KKK leader David Duke: 'We won it for Donald Trump'

A former Ku Klux Klan leader – or 'grand wizard' – has suggested fascists had helped Donald Trump win the US presidential election.

David Duke, who once led the neo-Nazi, white-supermacist organisation, tweeted the claim on election night.

“This is one of the most exciting nights of my life,” Mr Duke wrote.

“Make no mistake about it, our people have played a huge role in electing Trump!”

 
 
JBB
2.1.5  JBB  replied to  Krishna @2.1.4    2 weeks ago

I suppose you know The KKK is Number One on the SPLC's List of Haters...

 
 
bbl-1
2.1.6  bbl-1  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1    2 weeks ago

Mainstream conservatives?  Sounds like an excuse looking for a reason.

 
 
MBFC really sucks
2.1.7  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  JBB @2.1.1    2 weeks ago

The KKK and Westboro baptists are not conservatives.  They are haters.  It is a flat out lie spread by bigots to call mainstream conservative Christians in the Family Research Council and Focus on the Family hate groups.  

 
 
epistte
2.1.8  epistte  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1.7    2 weeks ago

Fred Phelps was a Baptist minister who cites the Bible to further his violent religious beliefs.

Fred Waldron Phelps Sr. (November 13, 1929 – March 19, 2014) was the American minister of the Westboro Baptist Church

The cornerstone of the KKK is conservative Christianity, so stop trying to deny religious terrorism when Christians do it. Jack Phillips is a member of the same sect of Protestant Christianity that was behind the creation of the Klan. It took until 1982 for the SBC to reject their Klan history.

The Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Protestant denomination in the country, with more than 15 million members and 46,500 churches, held its annual meeting in Phoenix this week. 

It was there that Pastor William D. McKissic Sr., a pastor at the Cornerstone Baptist Church in Arlington, Texas, asked the SBC’s Committee on Resolutions to allow the nearly 5000-person convention to vote on his resolution to denounce “every form of ‘nationalism’ that violates the biblical teachings with respect to race, justice, and ordered liberty; and be it further resolved, that we reject the retrograde ideologies, xenophobic biases, and racial bigotries of the so-called ‘Alt-Right’ that seek to subvert our government, destabilize society, and infect our political system.”

His resolution failed to get approved by a two-thirds majority of the committee.

http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/748/resolution-on-ku-klux-klan

 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.1.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1.7    2 weeks ago
The KKK and Westboro baptists are not conservatives.

They consider themselves conservatives, consider themselves Christian, vote conservative, support Trump, want to build a wall to keep out the brown people, want to take away a woman's right to choose, demand their right to discriminate against LGTBQ Americans, believe liberals and progressives are the enemy of the people and embrace hard-line conservative interpretations of the bible. Hmmmm, that sounds an awful lot like some other guys I know...

 
 
MBFC really sucks
2.1.10  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  epistte @2.1.2    2 weeks ago

The family Research Council, ALliance Defending Freedom, focus on the family, James Kennedy ministries, and many others.  They have all been smeared, lied about, and defamed by the terrorist inspiring liberal hate group, the vile SPLC.  

 
 
lady in black
2.1.11  lady in black  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1.10    2 weeks ago

They are all HATE groups even though you don't think they are.

 
 
MBFC really sucks
2.1.12  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  lady in black @2.1.11    2 weeks ago

No they aren’t.  The SPLC are the real haters as well as all who act on their ratings who are equally hateful bigots.  

 
 
It Is ME
2.1.13  It Is ME  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1.12    2 weeks ago

Anti-ANYTHING is a hate group according to them. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
lady in black
2.1.14  lady in black  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1.12    2 weeks ago

That is only YOUR opinion, not truth.

 
 
epistte
2.1.15  epistte  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1.10    one week ago
The family Research Council, ALliance Defending Freedom, focus on the family, James Kennedy ministries, and many others.  They have all been smeared, lied about, and defamed by the terrorist inspiring liberal hate group, the vile SPLC.

If they have been defamed then why didn't they file a civil suit and take them to court for damages? 

 The groups that you cite have an inherent anti-LGBT stance and oppose the equal rights of others such as women and people of other religions. It will be a cold day in Hades when I going to live my life being ruled by their bronze-age religious myths and misogynistic fantasies.   Those conservatives beliefs are opposed by many Christian groups, so don't try to paint those extremists as mainstream Christians.  

 
 
Texan1211
2.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1    one week ago

The SPLC has no legitimate place in honorable society.

 
 
MBFC really sucks
2.1.17  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  lady in black @2.1.14    one week ago

It is the SPLC position that is clearly and obviously NOT the truth.  The SPLC is lying for political and monetary advantage.  

 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.1.18  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JBB @2.1.5    one week ago

I guess there just wasn't enough money donated to the SPLC for naming only the KKK and one or two other vile groups, so they've hit the jackpot by naming anyone who dares to criticize Islam or Muslims - bet they get a fortune from Arab countries to be able to show so many multi-millions of dollars in their net worth. Add to that, the money atheists probably send them for crucifying Christian groups.  A virtual windfall.

 
 
lady in black
2.1.19  lady in black  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1.17    one week ago

Again, that's your opinion....the groups you tout are hate groups

 
 
MBFC really sucks
2.1.20  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  epistte @2.1.15    one week ago

.....The school district did not explain how it would "create a sense of belonging, inclusiveness and support" for students and parents who support conservative and Christian groups that the SPLC falsely labels "hate groups." It did not explain how these values would support Christians — whose beliefs are routinely branded "hate" by the SPLC.

The SPLC gained its reputation by taking the Ku Klux Klan to court, but in recent years it has engaged in a defamation campaign against mainstream conservative and Christian organizations. Christian nonprofits like the Family Research Council (FRC)Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), the Ruth Institute, D. James Kennedy Ministries, and Liberty Counsel have found themselves on the "hate group" list, alongside the KKK.

These groups have never advocated violence against anyone — ADF has won 9 Supreme Court cases in the past seven years — but they do maintain traditional Christian doctrine that sex should be reserved for marriage and that marriage is defined as the lifelong union of one man and one woman. The SPLC has twisted their previous statements out of context in order to present this view as "hateful" toward LGBT people.

Egregiously, the SPLC actually quoted the Catechism of the Catholic Church — the binding belief statement for 1 billion people around the world — as proof that the Ruth Institute is a "hate group." If the SPLC were consistent, it would brand all faithful Catholics as members of a "hate group."

This branding has real-world consequences. In 2012, a domestic terrorist targeted FRC, aiming to shoot everyone in the building. He later admitted to using the SPLC's "hate map" to target this organization. The SPLC refused to remove FRC from its "hate map."

In recent years, tech companies like Apple, Amazon, Facebook, Google, and Twitter have used the SPLC "hate group" list to exclude conservative and Christian organizations. Amazon removed ADF and D. James Kennedy Ministries (DJKM) from its charity partnership arm, Amazon Smile, and DJKM responded with a lawsuit. Vanco Payments dropped the Ruth Institute over the SPLC label.

Last week, the SPLC — which is funded, in part, by liberal billionaire George Soros — teamed up with other Soros-funded groups to push "Change the Terms," a campaign to bully tech companies into removing all "hate speech" from their platforms.

This summer, the SPLC paid $3.375 million to settle a defamation lawsuit brought by Maajid Nawaz, a Muslim reformer whom the organization branded an "anti-Muslim extremist." In the wake of this settlement, about 60 organizations started considering separate defamation suits against the SPLC.

When presented with all this evidence against the SPLC, Denver Public Schools responded with that message — "The values expressed by the SPLC are in alignment with the values of DPS." The school district did not explain whether or not that means conservative Christians and Roman Catholics will be considered "hateful" in the Denver school system......https://pjmedia.com/faith/denver-public-schools-proudly-admits-to-sharing-the-same-values-as-left-wing-anti-christian-group/

 
 
epistte
2.1.21  epistte  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1.20    one week ago
....The school district did not explain how it would "create a sense of belonging, inclusiveness and support" for students and parents who support conservative and Christian groups that the SPLC falsely labels "hate groups." It did not explain how these values would support Christians — whose beliefs are routinely branded "hate" by the SPLC.

Why was religion/religious beliefs being brought into public schools?   Religious beliefs are a private matter and should not be part of a public school curriculum. 

Amazon can do what they want. If you don't like it them don't shop there. They are not required to sell religious material or support religious causes. 

 
 
Skrekk
2.1.22  Skrekk  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1.7    one week ago
The KKK and Westboro baptists are not conservatives.  They are haters.

They both hold the exact same anti-LGBT views as their Southern Baptist brethren.   [deleted]

 
 
Skrekk
2.1.23  Skrekk  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1.10    one week ago
The family Research Council, ALliance Defending Freedom, focus on the family, James Kennedy ministries, and many others.

All rather infamous anti-LGBT hate groups.    The Family Research Council is even led by a guy who bought his mailing list from the KKK, a guy who has given speeches to various white supremacist groups..

 
 
MBFC really sucks
2.1.24  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  epistte @2.1.15    one week ago

They/we are mainstream Christians.  As to defamation suits , they are happening.  The SPLC recently lost one and now we are targeting for damages any and all companies and groups one at a time rather than class action that use the SPLC ratings against mainstream conservative Christian groups for their own business purposes.  This is in the formative stages as companies are given the opportunity to retract and cease and desist first before being taken to court.  

 
 
MBFC really sucks
2.1.25  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  lady in black @2.1.19    one week ago

No we are not haters nor are we hate groups.  The SPLC on the other hand is a big time hate group.  

 
 
epistte
2.1.26  epistte  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1.24    one week ago
They/we are mainstream Christians.  As to defamation suits , they are happening.  The SPLC recently lost one and now we are targeting for damages any and all companies and groups one at a time rather than class action that use the SPLC ratings against mainstream conservative Christian groups for their own business purposes.  This is in the formative stages as companies are given the opportunity to retract and cease and desist first before being taken to court.  

Your ideas are not mainstream beliefs.

 
 
Texan1211
2.1.27  Texan1211  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1.25    one week ago

The SPLC is a waste of humans.

 
 
epistte
2.1.28  epistte  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.27    one week ago

Religion is the waste of a human mind.

 
 
Texan1211
2.1.29  Texan1211  replied to  epistte @2.1.28    one week ago

Billions of people around the world would disagree with you.

 
 
epistte
2.1.30  epistte  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.29    one week ago
Billions of people around the world would disagree with you.

That argument is a popularity fallacy. Just because millions or billions of people believe in god doesn't mean that their various gods exist. 

 
 
Texan1211
2.1.31  Texan1211  replied to  epistte @2.1.30    one week ago

Just because you don't believe doesn't mean that there isn't a God.

 
 
epistte
2.1.32  epistte  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.31    one week ago
Just because you don't believe doesn't mean that there isn't a God.

It isn't about believing because belief doesn't prove anything. It is a simple fact that there is no evidence that any god exists. Yours, theirs or anyone elses. 

You need to learn to move beyond belief and embrace facts and logic as the basis of your life's decisions.  What are your Protestant Christian views? 

 
 
Texan1211
2.1.33  Texan1211  replied to  epistte @2.1.32    one week ago
You need to learn to move beyond belief and embrace facts and logic as the basis of your life's decisions. What are your Protestant Christian views?

I need to learn that to satisfy you? I don't think so!

My views are my own. I need not explain nor share what they are to you. You have no inherent right to such information. If I choose to share it with you, you'll be the first to know.

I am not trying to convince you to believe anything. I don't care what you think about God or religion, as I have oh-so-patiently tried to tell you on more than one occasion, but for some reason you still just don't get that.

 
 
epistte
2.1.34  epistte  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.33    one week ago
I need to learn that to satisfy you? I don't think so!

I am only suggesting that you be more logical. I am not asking you to satisfy me because it is obvious that you could not do so.

My views are my own. I need not explain nor share what they are to you. You have no inherent right to such information. If I choose to share it with you, you'll be the first to know.

I am merely asking what religious sect you belong to? Why would you be evasive to what should be a very simple question, if you do believe in a god?  Don't get dramatic. 

I am not trying to convince you to believe anything. I don't care what you think about God or religion, as I have oh-so-patiently tried to tell you on more than one occasion, but for some reason you still just don't get that.

Why do you do this every time you respond to a religious discussion? 

 
 
lennylynx
2.1.35  lennylynx  replied to  epistte @2.1.34    one week ago
"I am not asking you to satisfy me because it is obvious that you could not do so."

Ouch!  Poor Tex... jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png

 
 
Texan1211
2.1.36  Texan1211  replied to  epistte @2.1.34    one week ago

This wasn't a religious discussion.

Read the article. It isn't abut religion, but about the SPLC and their hate lists.

No one is getting dramatic, as much as you would like to see that. I am not evasive,  you just don't have a need to know what I believe. As I have ALREADY stated, when I think you need to know, I'll tell you.

What about that is hard to understand?

 
 
epistte
2.1.37  epistte  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.36    one week ago
This wasn't a religious discussion.

Is this how you plan to spin this discussion? 

Read the article. It isn't abut religion, but about the SPLC and their hate lists.

The groups in question being labeled as hate groups by the SPLC most certainly do hide their bigotry behind their conservative religious beliefs.  I wonder why you are so evasive with declaring your religious beliefs when most people are quite open about the subject, unless you have somthing to hide?

No one is getting dramatic, as much as you would like to see that. I am not evasive,  you just don't have a need to know what I believe. As I have ALREADY stated, when I think you need to know, I'll tell you. What about that is hard to understand?

I enjoy watching you spin and backpedal. Wear your PPE so you aren't injured in your efforts.

 
 
Gordy327
2.1.38  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.31    one week ago
Just because you don't believe doesn't mean that there isn't a God.

Just because you do believe doesn't mean there is a god either. There simply is no evidence/proof of any god. And belief does not equal proof.

Billions of people around the world would disagree with you.

Argumentum ad populum fallacy.

 
 
Gordy327
2.1.39  Gordy327  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1.25    one week ago
No we are not haters nor are we hate groups.  The SPLC on the other hand is a big time hate group.

HAHAHAHAHAHA [deep breath] HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 
 
charger 383
2.1.40  charger 383  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.27    one week ago
Religion is the waste of a human mind.

         The SPLC is a waste of humans

I agree with both of those statements

 
 
MBFC really sucks
2.1.41  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.27    one week ago

Human debris as Rush refers to such people.  

 
 
epistte
2.1.42  epistte  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1.41    one week ago
Human debris as Rush refers to such people.  

Did Jesus do the same?

 
 
MBFC really sucks
2.1.43  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.36    one week ago

Good points all.  The seed was about the SPLC being openly partisan.  Encouraging voters to vote democrat to avoid hate.  They virtually implied that voting Republican was voting for hate.  And yet this bigoted terrorist enabling hate group, the SPLC gets to be put on a pedastal where people take what they say seriously and censor others based on their biased nakedly partisan rants against legitimate unlike them groups who are Christians and conservatives.  Why do partisan democrats get to sit in judgement over so many on so many places including here?  

 
 
Eagle Averro
2.1.44  Eagle Averro  replied to  epistte @2.1.42    one week ago
Did Jesus do the same?

E,A For someone that on this Site claims to be such an Authority on/of the BIBLE, see this and YOU tell Us ok::

 Matthew 23

 
 
MBFC really sucks
2.1.45  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  epistte @2.1.42    one week ago

Nice to see that you believe Jesus is real and in what He said.  

 
 
Skrekk
2.1.46  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.16    one week ago
The SPLC has no legitimate place in honorable society.

No surprise at all that you don't like the SPLC.    Many if not most conservatives can't stand civil rights advocacy groups.

 
 
Texan1211
2.1.47  Texan1211  replied to  epistte @2.1.37    one week ago

It must bug you no end that I won't play your games with you.

I have repeatedly told you, to no avail, that it simply isn't any of your business what MY beliefs are. 

I'm real sorry that it bothers you so much, but it is on a need-to-know basis only, and I have determined you don't need to know.

No spinning, just facts that apparently you don't like.

That's a real shame.

 
 
Texan1211
2.1.48  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.38    one week ago

I never claimed otherwise. 

What part about me not caring what others believe in or not seems to be hard to understand?

I don't EVER try to recruit anyone to my religion, or to think about God like I do, or to even think about Him at all.

I spoke the truth.

Sorry if that bothers you in some way.

 
 
Texan1211
2.1.49  Texan1211  replied to  Skrekk @2.1.46    one week ago

My problem with the SPLC isn't because they are a civil rights advocacy group.

If that was ALL they were, that would be fucking GREAT!

But sadly, they have become really no better than some of the groups they have "determined" are hate groups.

I don't like it, and have said so before.

 
 
Skrekk
2.1.50  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.49    one week ago

LOL.    It sounds like they've exposed one of the bigoted hate groups you support.    No wonder you're so butt-hurt about the SPLC.

 
 
MBFC really sucks
2.1.51  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Skrekk @2.1.46    one week ago

Congress on racial equality, (CORE) http://www.core-online.org                 Project 21,https://nationalcenter.org/project-21/  Two very fine civil rights groups.  

 
 
Texan1211
2.1.52  Texan1211  replied to  lennylynx @2.1.35    one week ago

Some are better left alone to their own devices.

perhaps the ones with batteries?

 
 
Gordy327
2.1.53  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.48    one week ago
I spoke the truth.

No, you only spoke your own beliefs.

Sorry if that bothers you in some way

It's funny if you think it does.

 
 
Texan1211
2.1.54  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.53    one week ago

Quote my lie and prove it then.

Until then, don't feel it is necessary to comment to me.

 
 
Gordy327
2.1.55  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.54    one week ago

Quite defensive, aren't you? I didn't say you lied. 

 
 
Texan1211
2.1.56  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.55    one week ago

jrSmiley_38_smiley_image.gif

 
 
Eagle Averro
2.1.57  Eagle Averro  replied to  Eagle Averro @2.1.44    one week ago
Matthew 23

E.A Seems Matthew Twenty-three 23 Must be as hard as Matthew Seven 7  or?

 
 
Gordy327
2.1.58  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.56    one week ago

[Removed]

 
 
Texan1211
2.1.59  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.58    one week ago

Oh, surely by NOW you have figured out what a REPLY is, haven't you?

Here, let me help:

re·ply
[rəˈplī]

VERB
say something in response to something someone has said.
"he was gone before we could reply to his last remark" · [more]
synonyms:
respond · answer · say in response · rejoin · return · retort · counter · [more]
NOUN
a verbal or written answer.
"I received a reply from the firm's managing director" · [more]
synonyms:
answer · response · acknowledgment · rejoinder · return · reaction · [more]

SMMFH

 
 
Gordy327
2.1.60  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.59    one week ago
Oh, surely by NOW you have figured out what a REPLY is, haven't you?

Says the guy who uses smileys alone as a reply.

 
 
Texan1211
2.1.61  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.60    one week ago

But then again, I am not the one foolish enough to ask if a poster's REPLY to someone else is "talking to themselves", now am I?

Gee, I wonder who asked such a senseless question?

jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
Gordy327
2.1.62  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.61    one week ago
I am not the one foolish enough to ask if a poster's REPLY to someone else is "talking to themselves", now am I?

Your reply isn't really saying anything at all. 

 
 
Texan1211
2.1.63  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.62    one week ago

Says the one who asked such an inane question.

 
 
Gordy327
2.1.64  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.63    one week ago
Says the one who asked such an inane question.

Says the one with the inane replies.

 
 
Texan1211
2.1.65  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.64    one week ago

Oooh, what's next?

"I know you are but what am I?"

jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
MBFC really sucks
2.1.66  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.65    one week ago

Let’s keep this seed about the bigotry, hate, and blatant partisanship of the SPLC and it’s minions toward us who dare to disagree with their hate and bigotry as civil as possible.  

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.67  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1.66    one week ago

IOW, just support that heinous lie. Got it. 

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.68  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  charger 383 @2.1.40    one week ago

Well, you got 50% correct.  Take your pick which.  

 
 
Tessylo
2.1.69  Tessylo  replied to  Skrekk @2.1.23    6 days ago

It's funny how the majority of these hate groups are all right wing.  

 
 
Tessylo
2.1.70  Tessylo  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1.41    6 days ago
'Human debris as Rush refers to such people.'

Is he looking in a mirror?

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.71  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  MBFC really sucks @2.1.7    5 days ago
The KKK and Westboro baptists are not conservatives.  They are haters.

And yet "conservatives" are trying to protect them from one of the most effective organizations going after them, the SPLC.  I know you can't see it but you've painted yourself into a corner yet again, HA. 

 
 
MBFC really sucks
2.1.72  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.70    5 days ago

He was looking at the SPLC and Dave Van Zandt.  

 
 
Krishna
3  Krishna    2 weeks ago
By the SPLC's logic, 1 billion human beings belong to an anti-LGBT hate group headed by Pope Francis.

Correct! And what about the other billion who are in hate groups not headed by the Pope (Peace be Upon Him)

Warning: When I get bored I like to engage in a bit of gentle trolling...hehehe :-)

 
 
JBB
3.1  JBB  replied to  Krishna @3    2 weeks ago

Except that the SPLC has never designated the Catholic Church a hate group.

There is a concerted effort to delegitimize the SPLC by certified hate groups...

 
 
JBB
3.1.1  JBB  replied to  JBB @3.1    2 weeks ago

Do not buy the rank bullshit being sold here. The SPLC legitimately certifies real hate groups. When mistakes are made, the SPLC is a big organization and there are a whole lot of dangerous hate groups out there, they admit it and correct it. This is indicative of a good organization trying to do great works which naturally draws criticism from the real haters they identify, certify and track. Of course the KKK and Skin Heads hate the SPLC. Taking such criticism goes with the territory. Knowing what I know of the SPLC, I would be very leery of any groups the SPLC has officially certified as official hate groups. Which are, unsurprisingly, those most often seen being critical of the SPLC. Full Disclosure - Morris Dees is a friend and my real name is inscribed on The Wall of Tolerance at SPLC HQ in Montgomery, AL...

 
 
MBFC really sucks
3.1.2  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  JBB @3.1    2 weeks ago

The SPLC is already an illegitimate bastardized organization.  They are a terrorist inspiring hate group no longer of any value to anyone.  The sooner the SPLC is bankrupted and driven out of business just as they openly and deliberately try to do to their opposition the better off America will be.  

 
 
MBFC really sucks
3.1.3  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  JBB @3.1.1    2 weeks ago

When they only target the KKK, white supremacy groups, skin heads, neo nazis and the like we can get along with them.  As long as they target mainstream conservative and mainstream Christian groups that they disagree with as hate groups, we on the right will defend those groups and target the SPLC for permanent destruction as an organization and personal bankruptcy for both the organization and Mr. Dees.  They try to destroy us, we will destroy them first.  

 
 
epistte
3.1.4  epistte  replied to  MBFC really sucks @3.1.2    2 weeks ago
The SPLC is already an illegitimate bastardized organization.  They are a terrorist inspiring hate group no longer of any value to anyone.  The sooner the SPLC is bankrupted and driven out of business just as they openly and deliberately try to do to their opposition the better off America will be.  

Do religious conservatives feel threatened by the SPLC? 

 
 
Dismayed Patriot
3.1.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  MBFC really sucks @3.1.3    2 weeks ago
When they only target the KKK, white supremacy groups, skin heads, neo nazis and the like we can get along with them.

Ah, so when they only complain about the last twenty rows of people at a Trump rally, then everything's a-okay... Those front 20 rows, totally different people. Sure, those guys in the back twenty will openly tell you about how much they hated having a black man as President for 8 years while the front twenty rows will only tell you how much they hated having a "liberal" as President for 8 years, who, for some reason, doesn't represent their values, you know, those of being born white.

 
 
MBFC really sucks
3.1.6  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  JBB @3.1    2 weeks ago

Certified by who, the biased bigots at the SPLC?  Who died and made them the God and judge over who is or is a hate group outside of the obvious racist ones?  Why would you expect anyone to accept what those biased hateful bigots have to say about mainstream groups that dare to presume to disagree with their terrorist inspiring opinions?  Their opinions don’t mean a thing to rational objective real Americans.  

 
 
lady in black
3.1.7  lady in black  replied to  MBFC really sucks @3.1.6    2 weeks ago

When these bigoted organizations want to bring about Christian Sharia laws, then yes, they are HATE groups.

 
 
MBFC really sucks
3.1.8  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  epistte @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

Not by them but by the weak minded intellectually lazy hate filled bigots who act upon their rating as if it were on tablets from on high.  It is those morons who do the real damage and defamation.   Yes, MBFC, I’m talking about you too.  

 
 
Sparty On
3.1.9  Sparty On  replied to  lady in black @3.1.7    2 weeks ago
When these bigoted organizations want to bring about Christian Sharia laws

What bunch of hyperbolic nonsense.   Christian Sharia law in the US?   Hilarious!  

You want to see good examples of Sharia type law?   Go to places like Sudan, Afghanistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia.   You'd shit your pants in places like that.   In the USA?   Not so much.

 
 
lady in black
3.1.10  lady in black  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.9    2 weeks ago

When these organizations want to take away rights of people they don't like because the bible tells them so, then yes, that is trying to impose Christian Sharia laws.

I have no reason to go to those countries thank you very much.

 
 
Sparty On
3.1.11  Sparty On  replied to  lady in black @3.1.10    2 weeks ago
I have no reason to go to those countries thank you very much.

Damn right right you don't ..... those freedoms aren't really under attack here in the US.  

In those countries your "freedoms" would already be heavily regulated by such laws ..... so give me a call when this country starts to become even remotely like that (which it isn't, not even close) and i'll be right there to help defend the folks being oppressed.

 
 
lady in black
3.1.12  lady in black  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.11    2 weeks ago

I don't want what happens in those countries to ever happen here, so these so called religious groups need to be called out for what they really are.

 
 
Sparty On
3.1.13  Sparty On  replied to  lady in black @3.1.12    2 weeks ago

I wouldn't break out the worry jar quite yet but like i said.   If that ever becomes reality here, i'll be right there with you to help stop it.   And i know i'm not alone. 

Oh and by the way, i'm Christian.

 
 
epistte
3.1.14  epistte  replied to  MBFC really sucks @3.1.8    one week ago
Not by them but by the weak minded intellectually lazy hate filled bigots who act upon their rating as if it were on tablets from on high.  It is those morons who do the real damage and defamation.   Yes, MBFC, I’m talking about you too.  

You are really angry because you cannot post articles1/* from The Stream, aren't you?

 
 
epistte
3.1.15  epistte  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.9    one week ago
What bunch of hyperbolic nonsense.   Christian Sharia law in the US?   Hilarious!   You want to see good examples of Sharia type law?   Go to places like Sudan, Afghanistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia.   You'd shit your pants in places like that.   In the USA?   Not so much.

Legislating conservative Christian beliefs as secular law is just as tyrannical as legislating Islamic beliefs as secular law in the countries that you mentioned. That is why we refer to it as Christian Sharia. The fact that not even all Protestant Christian sects agree with those Christian Sharia ideas is lost on you and many others.   All religion is to be kept separate from secular law and the state because of the Establishment Clause that creates a wall separating church and state unless you know more than Thomas Jefferson, John Adams,, and James Madison.

We cannot possibly have guaranteed equal religious rights for all people, regardless of their faith or lack thereof if the government is enforcing the religious beliefs of one group as secular law.  If the government would enforce the religious beliefs of even a Protestant sect then the members of every other Christian belief, even those who are also Protestant have fewer rights and that leads to fighting, social upheaval and instability of the government. The only stable and rational stance on religion is to keep all religion and the government absolutely separate at all levels of the government. People have  the right to believe and worship as they see fit but the government must be secular.  If you work for the government then you must keep your religious beliefs separate from your job.     If you cannot do that then find a job in the private sector that allows you to exercise your religious beliefs as you choose.

 
 
MBFC really sucks
3.1.16  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  epistte @3.1.14    one week ago

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epistte
3.1.17  epistte  replied to  MBFC really sucks @3.1.16    one week ago

You are unhinged today.

There is no proof to support your beliefs.

 
 
Phoenyx13
3.1.18  Phoenyx13  replied to  MBFC really sucks @3.1.16    one week ago
 The bigot fool at MBFC targeted The Stream and others because their an my religious beliefs include that Angels are real, that the earth as we know it was created in six literal days by God, and that there was an earth changing global flood that led to the world being largely as it is now.  For these religious doctrines Dave Van Zandt has branded The Stream as well as my personal beliefs as pseudoscience.  All because so many evolutionists are such hateful intolerant bigots toward us who disagree.  

so you are upset because Dave Van Zandt doesn't indulge and believe in your mythology as fervently as you do - he doesn't lockstep with your beliefs so you have branded him, logic and facts as your enemies since they don't agree with your unproven mythological beliefs ?

 
 
epistte
3.1.19  epistte  replied to  MBFC really sucks @3.1.16    one week ago
The Stream has nothing to do with the SPLC.  The bigot fool at MBFC targeted The Stream and others because their an my religious beliefs include that Angels are real, that the earth as we know it was created in six literal days by God, and that there was an earth changing global flood that led to the world being largely as it is now.  For these religious doctrines Dave Van Zandt has branded The Stream as well as my personal beliefs as pseudoscience.  All because so many evolutionists are such hateful intolerant bigots toward us who disagree.  

The Catholic church does not teach any of those ideas in their private schools. They do teach evolution.

This is their idea on the Great Flood,

Many Christians today argue the flood story is only a myth. It is a cautionary tale, not intended for literal interpretation. What's important, they say, is that we accept the lessons in the story rather than the story itself. There is merit to this approach. The story has no value if we ignore the lessons it teaches.

https://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=72851

On the subject of angels, 

They are not an article of faith and thus not de fide, but clearly are part of Catholic cultural small "t" tradition or folklore. Which does not make them irrelevant in any way.
 
 
MBFC really sucks
3.1.20  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  epistte @3.1.17    one week ago

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epistte
3.1.21  epistte  replied to  MBFC really sucks @3.1.20    one week ago
Dave Van Zandt

How is this guy a bigot?   He is about as white bread as is possible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_E._Van_Zandt

 
 
Sparty On
3.1.22  Sparty On  replied to  epistte @3.1.15    one week ago
The fact that not even all Protestant Christian sects agree with those Christian Sharia ideas is lost on you and many others.

Nah, actually none of it is lost on me.  

What is however lost on many is the level of real religious freedom (or not, everyone is free to choose) here in this country is unparalleled when compared to countries that can be defined to have real  "sharia" type laws.   It's not even in the same zip code here and its an absolutely ridiculous comparison to make 

So when progressive asshats comes on here and try to make that comparison, they are just pushing more of their usual progressive, batshit crazism.  

Nothing more. nothing less.

 
 
epistte
3.1.23  epistte  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.22    one week ago
Nah, actually none of it is lost on me.  

What is however lost on many is the level of real religious freedom (or not, everyone is free to choose) here in this country is unparalleled when compared to countries that can be defined to have real  "sharia" type laws.   It's not even in the same zip code here and its an absolutely ridiculous comparison to make 

So when progressive asshats comes on here and try to make that comparison, they are just pushing more of their usual progressive, batshit crazism.  

Nothing more. nothing less.

Religious freedom, like others rights has limits to protect the equal religious and secular rights of others from being trampled on.  Our religious rights are the right to believe in or not to believe god(s) and the right to worship as we choose to do. Our rights end when they come into contact with the equal rights of others because your religious beliefs do not allow you to force others to take part in your religious beliefs, just as they do not have the right to force their religious beliefs on you.  I used to think that this idea, as well as the strict separation of church and state, were self-explanatory, but I have since learned that is not the situation. 

 
 
Gordy327
3.1.24  Gordy327  replied to  MBFC really sucks @3.1.16    one week ago
Angels are real, that the earth as we know it was created in six literal days by God, and that there was an earth changing global flood that led to the world being largely as it is now.  

Too bad neither you nor anyone else has ever been able to even remotely empirically support such claims. They're just plain absurd! 

as well as my personal beliefs as pseudoscience.

If the shoe fits. Although, pseudoscience is still giving your beliefs too much credit. And your beliefs are not free from logical analysis or scrutiny simply because it's a belief.

All because so many evolutionists are such hateful intolerant bigots toward us who disagree.

Nice ad hom attack and whining. But you can disagree all you want. The difference is, those who accept evolution have scientific facts and evidence on their side, while your beliefs are just...belief (or wishful thinking). You have no objective empirical support. See the difference?  

 
 
MBFC really sucks
3.1.25  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Phoenyx13 @3.1.18    one week ago

I don’t care what Dave Van Zandt believes.  What I do care about is his personal bias and bigotry in labeling my beliefs in such a way as he knows others will use to censor the expression of those religious beliefs elsewhere when they personally hold another opposing secular viewpoint.  

 
 
MBFC really sucks
3.1.26  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  epistte @3.1.19    one week ago

The issue with the Catholic Church isn’t pseudoscience.  Many Catholics have called God a liar regarding the Genesis account of origins.  The issue in this seed is hate and the calling of a catholic publication hate over opposition to abortion and gay marriage. The SPLC wouldn’t dare to label their entire denomination a hate group like they do to smaller evangelical Protestant groups.  

 
 
MBFC really sucks
3.1.27  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  JBB @3.1    one week ago

In order to have a concerted effort to delegitimize the SPLC, it would have to have been legitimate in the first place.  It is not a legitimate organization in any way shape or form so there is no need for anyone to try to do to them what they have already done to themselves.  

 
 
Skrekk
3.1.28  Skrekk  replied to  MBFC really sucks @3.1.26    one week ago
Many Catholics have called God a liar regarding the Genesis account of origins.

Apparently those Catholics aren't entirely stupid.

 
 
Gordy327
3.1.29  Gordy327  replied to  MBFC really sucks @3.1.26    one week ago
Many Catholics have called God a liar regarding the Genesis account of origins.

That may be because the Genesis account is a lie, or more accurately, a myth. It seems there are some Catholics with common sense to know that.

 
 
MBFC really sucks
3.1.30  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  epistte @3.1.21    one week ago

Wikipedia?  They and he are like butt buddies in bed with each other in how they  do their business.  Everyone else questions the reliability of Wikipedia.  

 
 
MBFC really sucks
3.1.31  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.29    one week ago

I wouldn’t know as I’m not one.  My mom and grandmother left the Catholic Church for a Protestant one, some 5-6 years before I was born. 

 
 
Gordy327
3.1.32  Gordy327  replied to  MBFC really sucks @3.1.31    one week ago
I wouldn’t know as I’m not one.  

Yet you believe the stories depicted in Genesis? So that doesn't really change the fact of what I said.

 
 
Phoenyx13
3.1.33  Phoenyx13  replied to  MBFC really sucks @3.1.25    one week ago
I don’t care what Dave Van Zandt believes.  What I do care about is his personal bias and bigotry in labeling my beliefs in such a way as he knows others will use to censor the expression of those religious beliefs elsewhere when they personally hold another opposing secular viewpoint.

i never mentioned anything about Dave Van Zandt's personal belief's or personal belief system. Try reading this again:

so you are upset because Dave Van Zandt doesn't indulge and believe in your mythology as fervently as you do - he doesn't lockstep with your beliefs so you have branded him, logic and facts as your enemies since they don't agree with your unproven mythological beliefs ?

Dave Van Zandt looks for facts and evidence - two things your favorite mythology lacks. His personal belief system is irrelevant. So i guess we have established that facts, logic and evidence are your enemies, correct ?

 
 
Gordy327
3.1.34  Gordy327  replied to  Phoenyx13 @3.1.33    one week ago
So i guess we have established that facts, logic and evidence are your enemies, correct ?

That's been well established long ago.

 
 
MBFC really sucks
3.1.35  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.32    one week ago

I believe all of the Bible.  

 
 
MBFC really sucks
3.1.36  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Phoenyx13 @3.1.33    one week ago

No, he labels others beliefs as pseudoscience so that the real bigots all across the internet who lap up his every word as their gospel from on high can cover for their own bigotry while censoring those who believe differently from him.  

 
 
Phoenyx13
3.1.37  Phoenyx13  replied to  MBFC really sucks @3.1.36    one week ago
No, he labels others beliefs as pseudoscience so that the real bigots all across the internet who lap up his every word as their gospel from on high can cover for their own bigotry while censoring those who believe differently from him.

that's quite a conspiracy theory your conservative mind has dreamt up. i'm not sure why you can't comprehend that your mythological beliefs lack facts/evidence/logic which is why they are categorized accordingly. Just because you fervently believe in them doesn't make them verifiably true due to lack of evidence/facts/logic. Plus, as pointed out to you on other threads, there are Christian sites he doesn't label as fake since they stick to actual facts/evidence/logic. It seems you are opposed to facts/evidence/logic since they seem to disagree with your mythological beliefs.

 
 
Gordy327
3.1.38  Gordy327  replied to  MBFC really sucks @3.1.35    one week ago
I believe all of the Bible.

And you also just affirmed what Phoenyx said too. But as I said, Genesis (as with many other biblical stories) is just a myth, with ZERO supporting evidence. So you can believe whatever you want. But belief does not equal fact, nor is it free from scrutiny!

he labels others beliefs as pseudoscience so that the real bigots all across the internet who lap up his every word as their gospel from on high can cover for their own bigotry while censoring those who believe differently from him

Wow, that's some active imagination you have there. Conspiracy theory anyone? jrSmiley_23_smiley_image.gif

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.39  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  MBFC really sucks @3.1.3    one week ago
When they only target the KKK, white supremacy groups, skin heads, neo nazis and the like we can get along with them.

Willie Sutton was once asked why he robbed banks and his answer was "that's where the money is."  So it is with the SPLC --it goes where the hate is.  

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.40  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  MBFC really sucks @3.1.35    one week ago
I believe all of the Bible.  

No shit?!

 
 
epistte
3.1.41  epistte  replied to  MBFC really sucks @3.1.35    one week ago
I believe all of the Bible.  

Why do you believe a book of myths, when much of it was plagiarized from earlier religions?  Why do you choose to believe verbatim a book that was written almost 1900 years ago by very mortal men who didn't have the education level of an associates degree? Most of high school math and science was unknown to them.  The Bible is not the literal word of god, despite what you may wish to believe, because it didn't drop out of the sky and be found beside of the 15 (scratch that..)10 commandments. Which translation do you believe is true?

There are many contridictions in the Bible, so what passage do you believe in that situation?

There are many other religious books that are much older than the Bible, so why don't you believe them instead? Books such as the Bhagavad Gita. The Chinese book I Ching is even older.

 
 
Sparty On
3.1.42  Sparty On  replied to  epistte @3.1.23    one week ago

Secular freedom, like others rights has limits to protect the equal secular and religious rights of others from being trampled on.  Secular rights are the right to not believe in or to believe in god(s) and the right to worship as we choose to do. Our rights end when they come into contact with the equal rights of others because your non religious beliefs do not allow you to force others to take part in those non religious beliefs, just as they do not have the right to force their secular beliefs on believers.  I used to think that this idea, as well as the strict separation of church and state, were self-explanatory, but I have since learned that is not the situation.    Since so many secularist have a problem with and sanctimoniously mock believers who practice their own chosen faith.

See what i did there?   What you apparently don't realize is, that knife cuts both ways.    Not really that hard to understand for a truly unbiased mind.  

 
 
epistte
3.1.43  epistte  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.42    6 days ago
Secular freedom, like others rights has limits to protect the equal secular and religious rights of others from being trampled on.  Secular rights are the right to not believe in or to believe in god(s) and the right to worship as we choose to do. Our rights end when they come into contact with the equal rights of others because your non religious beliefs do not allow you to force others to take part in those non religious beliefs, just as they do not have the right to force their secular beliefs on believers.  I used to think that this idea, as well as the strict separation of church and state, were self-explanatory, but I have since learned that is not the situation.    Since so many secularist have a problem with and sanctimoniously mock believers who practice their own chosen faith. See what i did there?   What you apparently don't realize is, that knife cuts both ways.    Not really that hard to understand for a truly unbiased mind.  

All rights logically must have limits to prevent others from being harmed or their rights from being trampled. The question is where that line is drawn, and it usually goes to the SCOTUS to do it when they rule on Constitutional interpretation.  You should have learned this is your high school civics requirement.  

Do you believe that your religious rights are being threatened by the actions of others? 

 
 
Phoenyx13
3.1.44  Phoenyx13  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.42    6 days ago
Since so many secularist have a problem with and sanctimoniously mock believers who practice their own chosen faith.

do you think it depends on how those believers choose to practice their chosen faith ? what if their chosen way to practice their chosen faith violates secular laws - which prevails ?

 
 
charger 383
4  charger 383    one week ago

The name is enough to make me distrust the organization, sounds like they want to make laws to keep southerners poor.  They could have come up with something better

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  charger 383 @4    one week ago
sounds like they want to make laws to keep southerners poor. 

Only the ones who make hatemongering their stock-in-trade.  

 
 
MBFC really sucks
4.1.1  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @4.1    one week ago

That would be the SPLC and it’s followers as bigotry and hate is about all that they do anymore.  Even the Washington Post questions the in accuracy and lack of fairness of the SPLC and it’s totally bogus and discredited so called hate list.  

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.1.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  MBFC really sucks @4.1.1    one week ago
That would be the SPLC and it’s followers as bigotry and hate is about all that they do anymore.

Well, of course, that completely false but we also completely understand why you have to keep peddling that lie. 

 
 
epistte
4.1.3  epistte  replied to  MBFC really sucks @4.1.1    one week ago
That would be the SPLC and it’s followers as bigotry and hate is about all that they do anymore.  Even the Washington Post questions the in accuracy and lack of fairness of the SPLC and it’s totally bogus and discredited so called hate list.

Do you have a copy of the WaPo article? I refuse to trust the abridged version on WND or Breitbart. 

 
 
MBFC really sucks
4.1.4  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  epistte @4.1.3    one week ago

You will have to read it yourself as I refuse to subscribe to or pay the WAPO a cent for anything.  

The reporter, David Montgomery, clearly is an admirer of SPLC, but his article was titled “The State of Hate: Researchers at the Southern Poverty Law Center have set themselves up as the ultimate judges of hate in America. But are they judging fairly?”


Read more at https://mobile.wnd.com/2018/11/now-washington-post-questions-splcs-credibility/#Q8Z2M52oQ2cIU0Bi.99

 
 
epistte
4.1.5  epistte  replied to  MBFC really sucks @4.1.4    one week ago
You will have to read it yourself as I refuse to subscribe to or pay the WAPO a cent for anything.

I went to the WaPo site but I also do not have a subscription so I can't read it and verify that it says what you claim that it does.  If you are going to cite a written work as proof of your ideas then you need to post that same work for others to read. 

 
 
MBFC really sucks
4.1.6  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  epistte @4.1.5    one week ago

I will take World Net Daily and Breitbart at their word for the direct quotes that they attribute to the WAPO article and it’s author. 

 
 
MBFC really sucks
4.1.7  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  epistte @4.1.5    one week ago

.......Spencer noted that companies such as Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Google, Amazon, Patreon and GoFundMeWe rely on SPLC’s “hate” designation, and he hopes the Post article will help them “reconsider their reliance on this dishonest, hate-filled group, and begin to treat all organizations fairly.”

Defensible expressions of truth’ or ‘hate’?

Spencer observed that the Post’s Montgomery “likes the SPLC, and wants to admire it, but finds it difficult to do so.”

Spencer points to a “telling passage” in the lengthy piece about Montgomery’s visit to the Center for Security Policy in Washington and founder Frank Gaffney, a former Reagan administration official.

While Montgomery characterizes Gaffney’s views as “frankly disquieting” — Spencer argues the point is not whether they are “disquieting” but whether they are based on fact — the Post writer seems to cast doubt on SPLC’s absolute judgments.

I left Gaffney’s office with a tote bag full of 14 books buttressing his worldview. A 15th came later in the mail. In thinking about my interview, I was struck by just how little he had disputed the SPLC’s claims about the frankly disquieting positions he has taken. To some extent, it was similar to my experience at the FRC and ADF. They simply saw those positions as admirable, or at the very least defensible, expressions of truth — whereas, to the SPLC, they were expressions of hate.

Montgomery also visited the Family Research Council, whose defense of traditional marriage is an affront to SPLC.

He interviewed retired Lt. Gen. William G. “Jerry” Boykin, FRC’s executive vice president, who pointed to a bullet hole in the ceiling from the Aug. 15, 2012, shooting attack on FRC’s headquarters by Floyd Lee Corkins.

“He came in here to kill as many of us as possible because he found us listed as a hate group on the Southern Poverty Law Center website,” Boykin told Montgomery.

“We and others like us who are on this ‘hate map’ believe that this is very reckless behavior. … The only thing that we have in common is that we are all conservative organizations.”

Montgomery, in a visit to SPLC headquarters in Montgomery, Alabama, asked SPLC President Richard Cohen “whether advocates like the FRC, or proponents of less immigration like the Federation for American Immigration Reform, or conservative legal stalwarts like the Alliance Defending Freedom, really have so much in common with neo-Nazis and the Klan that they belong in the same bucket of shame.”

“Obviously the hate label is a blunt one,” Cohen replied. “It’s one of the things that gives it power, and it’s one of the things that can make it controversial. Someone might say, ‘Oh, it’s without nuance.’ … But we’ve always thought that hate in the mainstream is much more dangerous than hate outside of it. The fact that a group like the FRC or a group like FAIR can have congressional allies and can testify before congressional committees, the fact that a group like ADF can get in front of the Supreme Court — to me that makes them more dangerous, not less so. … It’s the hate in the business suit that is a greater danger to our country than the hate in a Klan robe.”

Expanded scope

Montgomery notes SPLC was founded in 1971 to take on legal cases related to racial injustice, poverty and the death penalty. In the early 1980s, it expanded to monitoring Klan groups, neo-Nazis and other white supremacists. In recent years, he writes, “the list has swept up an increasing number of conservative activists — mostly in the anti-LGBT, anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim categories — those conservatives have been fighting back.”

He cites Mathew Staver, chairman of the Christian legal advocacy group Liberty Counsel, saying 60 organizations are interested in suing SPLC. And last year, GuideStar, a widely consulted directory of charitable organizations, removed its flags of 46 charities listed by SPLC as hate groups after pressure from critics.

Montgomery points to then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ condemnation of SPLC for using its hate label “to bully and to intimidate” groups such as the Alliance Defending Freedom  “which fight for religious freedom.”

And the Post writer says SPLC “undermined its own credibility with a couple of blunders.”

In 2015, it apologized for listing Ben Carson as an extremist, and this past June, the group paid $3.4 million to Muslim activist Maajid Nawaz and his Quilliam organization to settle a threatened lawsuit.

Montgomery visited the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, which supports reduced legal immigration and tougher border security. He quotes executive director Mark Krikorian saying the center supports a policy “that admits fewer people but does a better job of welcoming and incorporating those people.”

Mongomery says that among the factors that got CIS added to the SPLC hate list is “the center’s habit of circulating links to articles from arguably noxious sources in its regular email roundup.”

“Providing links to immigration articles written by people who in other venues wrote things on other topics that are objectionable, and that I myself almost certainly would object to — so what?” Krikorian told Montgomery. “You’ve got to admire the Inspector Javert-like obsession to go through hundreds of these links and find out who the author was and then Google the author and see what he — I mean it’s just, get a life, people!”..... https://mobile.wnd.com/2018/11/now-washington-post-questions-splcs-credibility/

 
 
MBFC really sucks
4.1.8  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  MBFC really sucks @4.1.7    one week ago

I proudly stand by and endorse as a member or philosophically aligned with each and every single one of those conservative groups listed above that the SPLC bigots have defamed as a hate group.  I as a member of NewsTalkers am personally a part of each and every legitimate group it blocks here despite their being mainstream with allies in Congress and that they regularly testify before it as well as argue cases before the US Supreme Court because of the SPLC lies.  

 
 
pat wilson
4.1.9  pat wilson  replied to  MBFC really sucks @4.1.8    one week ago

Oh please, give it a rest !

 
 
MBFC really sucks
4.1.10  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  pat wilson @4.1.9    one week ago

Not a chance.  Never! At least until the Bigot hate group SPLC drops their malicious defamation of peaceful non hate groups.  

 
 
JBB
4.1.11  JBB  replied to  MBFC really sucks @4.1.10    one week ago

And, the SPLC will keep lighting up intolerant cockroaches of hatred...

 
 
Gordy327
4.1.12  Gordy327  replied to  MBFC really sucks @4.1.8    one week ago
I proudly stand by and endorse as a member or philosophically aligned with each and every single one of those conservative groups

That's not something I'd be proud of. More like embarrassed.

I as a member of NewsTalkers am personally a part of each and every legitimate group it blocks here despite their being mainstream with allies in Congress and that they regularly testify before it as well as argue cases before the US Supreme Court because of the SPLC lies.

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MBFC really sucks
4.1.13  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  JBB @4.1.11    one week ago

Then I guess that the SPLC will keep lighting itself up as they and their leadership/ membership are the definition of cockroaches of hatred.  Their intolerance and bigotry knows no bounds. Criticism from them should be worn as a badge of honor.  

 
 
MBFC really sucks
4.1.14  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.12    one week ago

I’ll take the Liberty Council, Alliance Defending Freedom, Family Research Council, Concerned Women For America, American Family Association, FAIR, CIS, and all the others who are welcome in and have a key role to play in the GOP, in Congress, in the Supreme Court.  They are all great all American organizations that I am proud to associate myself with and defend against the bigots who would even try to silence them anywhere any place.  

 
 
MBFC really sucks
4.1.15  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  epistte @4.1.3    one week ago

Well I found a way to get the WAPO article  free.  As I’m limited to two seeds a day here I’m not about to waste one on it but I did seed it here if you want to see it. http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-state-of-hate.545622/

 
 
Gordy327
4.1.16  Gordy327  replied to  MBFC really sucks @4.1.14    one week ago
They are all great all American organizations

You mean hate groups.

that I am proud to associate myself with and defend against the bigots who would even try to silence them anywhere any place.  

Of course you are proud to associate with hate groups. Not surprising. it also speaks volumes about you.

 
 
MBFC really sucks
4.1.17  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  JBB @4.1.11    one week ago

The SPLC says that the groups in question even though they are mainstream and have allies in Congress and testify there and argue cases before the Supreme Court and are regulars at GOP functions and conventions are hate groups even more so because of those connections thus making the SPLC a nakedly partisan organization.

 
 
Gordy327
4.1.18  Gordy327  replied to  MBFC really sucks @4.1.17    one week ago
thus making the SPLC a nakedly partisan organization.

You mean just like those other conservative based groups too. 

 
 
MBFC really sucks
4.1.19  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.18    one week ago

Just like.  The difference is that we don’t use those other truly valiant and honorable organizations words or actions to censor content of others like people do with the words coming from the bigoted anti Christian hate filled terrorist enabling SPLC sleazeballs.  

 
 
Gordy327
4.1.20  Gordy327  replied to  MBFC really sucks @4.1.19    one week ago
The difference is that we don’t use those other truly valiant and honorable organizations words or actions to censor content

The difference is, your organizations only want to deny rights to certain groups. There's nothing honorable about that.

the bigoted anti Christian hate filled terrorist enabling SPLC sleazeballs.

So now you have to resort to juvenile ad hom attacks. How typical.

 
 
MBFC really sucks
4.1.21  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.20    one week ago

Nothing is more juvenile than using the hate filled bigots at the terrorist inspiring hate group the SPLC as a reason to silence other groups they target for partisan reasons and not legitimate ones.  My groups that I proudly stand by and identify with as if they were me personally are about protecting rights nor taking them. 

 
 
MBFC really sucks
4.1.22  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  MBFC really sucks @4.1.15    one week ago

There is a poll that says 86% believe it is wrong to censor groups based upon the labeling of the SPLC. GuideStar has backed down and stopped doing that and now is the time for others to follow.  

 
 
Gordy327
4.1.23  Gordy327  replied to  MBFC really sucks @4.1.21    one week ago

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You don't actually address anything I said, much less refute my post or support yours. No surprise either. 

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.1.25  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  MBFC really sucks @4.1.21    6 days ago
Nothing is more juvenile than using the hate filled bigots at the terrorist inspiring hate group the SPLC as a reason to silence other groups they target for partisan reasons and not legitimate ones.

Oh, sure there is (as well as being a pack of lies) and that's trying to mount an attack on the SPLC which has been the tip of the spear against hate and bigotry, and at great personal risk for obvious reasons, in the South and the entire country for decades. That's obviously the reason has become such a target of hatred by the alt-right. 

 
 
MBFC really sucks
4.1.26  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @4.1.25    6 days ago

The alt right is not an issue here.  The groups that the SPLC are targeting in the article seeded are mainstream conservative organizations well at home in the GOP, well represented at CPAC and all other conservative gatherings.  Their leaders often are delegates to and speakers at GOP conventions.  They and we are one and the same.  These organizations have allies in Congress even members of congress as their membership.  They testify before Congress on key issues on a regular basis  and they argue and win cases before the US Supreme Court.  I, them, and we are all one. Other conservative organizations not yet so blatantly maliciously and falsely labeled by the SPLC haters will carry their water and feature their leaders in their own media and on line.  The SPLC openly admits to being partisan and to trying to destroy these groups with their so called hate label for partisan advantage so yes, as long as they continue to do so my and our goal is to literally destroy the SPLC to its foundations and every single organization that persists in using them after a cease and desist.  GuideStar stopped doing so and the SPLC settled with a man for millions already.  So, yes, it’s scorched earth as far as I’m concerned.  If the SPLC is willing to try to destroy my favorite advocacy groups I see no problem with the destruction of their organization and all other organizations that stand with them.  

 
 
MBFC really sucks
4.1.27  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.16    6 days ago

Actually the AG of the United States criticized the SPLC for its false hate of legitimate conservative groups who are defending religious freedom.  I stand with our former AG and current acting one on this issue.  

 
 
Gordy327
4.1.28  Gordy327  replied to  MBFC really sucks @4.1.27    6 days ago
Actually the AG of the United States criticized the SPLC for its false hate of legitimate conservative group who are defending religious freedom.

While said conservative group/s try to prohibit or deny other groups their rights.

 
 
MBFC really sucks
4.1.29  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.28    6 days ago

The only ones denying rights are the bigots and haters who follow the partisan hate group SPLC ‘s ratings as if they mean anything to intelligent Americans.  They are a garbage hate organization of no remaining value to anyone in America.  I can’t wait for all the legal cases against them by those whom they libeled, slandered, and defamed to begin being filed.  Any day now.  Hopefully MBFC will be one of the first 🎯 targeted.  I’d love to see them fight and lose in court and go bankrupt as a result.  My dream come true.  

 
 
Gordy327
4.1.30  Gordy327  replied to  MBFC really sucks @4.1.29    6 days ago
The only ones denying rights are the bigots and haters who follow the partisan hate group SPLC ‘s ratings as if they mean anything to intelligent Americans.

What rights have been denied exactly? Last I checked, individual rights are still in full effect.

They are a garbage hate organization

Pot meet kettle.

My dream come true.

Well, you can dream.

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.1.31  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  MBFC really sucks @4.1.4    6 days ago

Jesus, HA.   You keep using rightwing garbage sources and then wonder why you can't be taken seriously.  

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.1.32  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  MBFC really sucks @4.1.1    6 days ago
That would be the SPLC and it’s followers as bigotry and hate is about all that they do anymore.

You can keep repeating that lie until your last breath but it will still be a lie. 

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.1.33  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  MBFC really sucks @4.1.27    6 days ago
Actually the AG of the United States criticized the SPLC for its false hate of legitimate conservative groups who are defending religious freedom.

I see you're didn't even bother citing one of your seemingly endless  supply of rightwing pukefunnel sources for that one.  Did you manufacture it yourself?

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.1.34  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  MBFC really sucks @4.1.4    4 days ago
You will have to read it yourself as I refuse to subscribe to or pay the WAPO a cent for anything.  

That's just one of the reasons that 99% of what you put up here as articles and comments is complete bullshit, a substance to which you seem to be completely addicted--so much so, that no amount of fact or truth seems to have any effect on you. 

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
5  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו    6 days ago

Why this author continues to put up extreme rightwing lies like this one and pretend they have any factual basis and expect this garbage  to be taken seriously  is beyond rational explanation.

 
 
Texan1211
6  Texan1211    6 days ago

The SPLC is a joke and a scourge on America.

Fools continue to support them for no good reason at all.

 
 
MBFC really sucks
6.1  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Texan1211 @6    6 days ago

Thanks for your post here.  It is right on.  I agree with you completely.  

 
 
Texan1211
6.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  MBFC really sucks @6.1    6 days ago

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Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
6.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @6    6 days ago
The SPLC is a joke and a scourge on America.

Only that part of America which yearns for White domination.

 
 
Texan1211
6.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.2    6 days ago

Oh, you mean thinking people not blinded by progressive logic?

BTFW, the "white domination" you decry has resulted in one of the greatest nations ever seen on the planet.

Whites dominated because they were the majority--get it?

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
6.2.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.1    6 days ago
Oh, you mean thinking people not blinded by progressive logic?

No, I mean white nationalist fascists, KKKers and outright nazis--like the ones who keep showing up at Trumplestiltskins rallies. 

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
6.2.3  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.1    6 days ago
Oh, you mean thinking people not blinded by progressive logic?

BTFW, the "white domination" you decry has resulted in one of the greatest nations ever seen on the planet.

Whites dominated because they were the majority--get it?

Well, FINALLY,  you've admitted what we already knew:  You're a white nationalist. 

 
 
Texan1211
6.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.2.3    6 days ago

Based solely on your reply, I'd venture you might have QUITE the future as a fiction writer!

 
 
Tessylo
6.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.2.3    6 days ago
'Well, FINALLY,  you've admitted what we already knew:  You're a white nationalist.'

How scared they become when they become or are soon to become the 'minority'

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
6.2.6  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.5    5 days ago

And Tex illustrates the "problem" she has that being so steeped in white supremacy she can't even see what a problem it is.  This racial superiority complex includes a kind of blindness to self. 

 
 
Texan1211
6.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.2.6    5 days ago

Your earlier posts were a lot funnier.'maybe we should rethink that fiction career for ya!

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
6.2.8  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.7    5 days ago
Your earlier posts were a lot funnier.'maybe we should rethink that fiction career for ya!

Nothing fictitious about your white supremacy complex though.  It's right up there in black and white. 

 
 
Texan1211
6.2.9  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.2.8    5 days ago

Now see, THAT was MUCH funnier.

Maybe I shouldn't write off your new career quite yet!

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
6.2.10  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.9    5 days ago

You're drowning, Tex. 

 
 
Texan1211
6.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.2.8    5 days ago

If you are in some roundabout way attempting to call me a white nationalist, just do it without beating around the bush.

 
 
MBFC really sucks
6.2.12  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.2    5 days ago

The SPLC really is a scourge on all Americans.  

 
 
Phoenyx13
6.2.13  Phoenyx13  replied to  MBFC really sucks @6.2.12    5 days ago
The SPLC really is a scourge on all Americans.

so verifiable facts/evidence/proof instead of relying on emotional mythological beliefs is now a "scourge on all Americans" ? seriously ? jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
6.2.14  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.11    4 days ago

Nothing roundabout about it.  Let's review your own words, shall we:

Me (6.2) : Only that part of America which yearns for White domination 

You (6.2.1, emphasis added): 

Oh, you mean thinking people not blinded by progressive logic?

BTFW, the "white domination" you decry has resulted in one of the greatest nations ever seen on the planet.

Whites dominated because they were the majority--get it?

So, you're basically telling us that whites deserve to dominate simply because they were the majority--no other ethnics need apply, right?  And, too bad that the whites who "dominated" to make such a great nation also imposed the institution of slavery and followed that up with the de facto  enslavement of Jim Crow the elements of which are still alive in this country today.  Being a white nationalist/supremacist is never acknowledging the whole story about whiteness in America, right--only how great white people are.  So, if the shoe fits (and it looks like it does from here......well, you know the rest.  

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
6.2.15  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.2.14    4 days ago

And how could I have left out the very first thing that gave you away...suggesting that whites were the only "thinking people."  Did you mean just at that time or ever since humans came into existence and for all time hence?   Oh, and the founders of this country, for all their flaws, were the "progressives" (or "enlightened" to use the term of their times) of their day--in fact, considered radicals (and, of course, traitors) by their British enemies.  C'mon---'fess up, Tex.  You believe whites (i.e., of anglo-saxon extract)  are the unchallengeable superior form of humanity, right?  

 
 
Texan1211
6.2.16  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.2.14    4 days ago

Nice debate you seem to be having alone.

That is what happens when you don't understand what is written plainly before you.

Have fun!

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
6.2.18  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.16    3 days ago
Nice debate you seem to be having alone.

I can certainly understand your retreating from it. 

 
 
Texan1211
6.2.19  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.2.18    3 days ago

Since you want to tell me what I stated and what I mean, I don't see how it is necessary to indulge you in your game any further.

Have fun!

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
6.2.20  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.19    3 days ago
Since you want to tell me what I stated and what I mean,

Yeah, quoting you is soooo unfaaaayyyyyerrrrrrrr. 

 
 
MBFC really sucks
6.3  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Texan1211 @6    6 days ago

The biggest fools of all are the ones who use their partisan bigoted hate ratings in the operation of their own businesses.  Most of them don’t have the deep pockets when the lawyers I like come calling that the SPLC does.  GuideStar was smart and hopefully the rest will follow their lead before the lawyers cease and desist letters arrive in the mail.  It won’t be class action but against each business alone on their own against the collective affected and defamed sites. 

 
 
epistte
6.3.1  epistte  replied to  MBFC really sucks @6.3    6 days ago
The biggest fools of all are the ones who use their partisan bigoted hate ratings in the operation of their own businesses.

You have a gift for amusing irony.

 
 
Texan1211
6.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  MBFC really sucks @6.3    6 days ago

The haters got to hate!

 
 
MBFC really sucks
6.3.3  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Texan1211 @6.3.2    6 days ago

Indeed they do.  The SPLC targets our ideological soulmates out of hate toward our ideology and all who use their defamatory attacks against us for their purposes due so out of that same feeling they direct at us.  

 
 
Gordy327
6.3.4  Gordy327  replied to  MBFC really sucks @6.3.3    6 days ago
The SPLC targets our ideological soulmates

You mean conservative hate groups? Yeah, we already knew that.

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
6.3.5  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  epistte @6.3.1    6 days ago
You have a gift for amusing irony.

Except that he doesn't intend it as such -- which makes it even funnier. 

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
6.3.6  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @6.3.2    6 days ago
The haters got to hate!

awwwwwwww jrSmiley_52_smiley_image.gif

 
 
Texan1211
6.3.7  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.3.6    6 days ago

Sorry, fresh out of tissues for you--had to give the last of them to the last crying progressive liberal I encountered.

Come back next week, I hope to be replenished by then.

 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6.3.8  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  MBFC really sucks @6.3.3    6 days ago
hate toward our ideology

Let's examine that. Do liberals and atheists want to stop you from going to church? Have any humanists tried to convince you that if you go into that Church again you may be accepting a future of ultimate suffering?

The fact is that nearly all liberal humanist atheists would love nothing more than to never hear or have to discuss or debate about religion again. They would be much happier spending their time focusing on the things we have discovered and how we can apply them to the betterment of humanity than philosophizing about the unknown.

So if the religious conservatives would simply worship however they like at home and in church but stop trying to force their religious beliefs out into public we'd never have another problem. Atheists and evangelicals could live side by side in harmony, they just have to agree to stay out of each others mind gardens unless invited. The problem with this is that most evangelicals believe they have some commission from their imagined God to metaphorically invade other people gardens and try to plant their Gods imaginary seeds. And when you try to stop them from invading your garden or your children's garden, they act as if you're denying them their God given rights.

My point is, there's a reason for what you call "hate towards your ideology", though I'd call it "exasperated frustration" towards your ideology. Religious conservatives excuse the injection of their religion into all things because its their brand, they love it, but they get angrily defiant at anyone else attempting the same. The SPLC has rightly pointed out this double standard which is why they support voting for Democrats who are the only party large enough to put a check on the overzealous religious conservatives.

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
6.3.10  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @6.3.7    5 days ago
Come back next week, I hope to be replenished by then.

Yes, I'm not surprised you'd go through a lot of them and fast at your house. 

 
 
Texan1211
6.3.11  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.3.10    5 days ago

Yeah, even in Texas, we have our share of progressive liberals always crying about something or other.

I think this time it was something about turning Texas purple or some such crap, and how Beto was going to win.

Not to worry--I expect an Amazon delivery soon, and will be able to provide to progressive liberals what they seem unable to supply for themselves.

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
6.3.12  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @6.3.11    5 days ago
I think this time it was something about turning Texas purple or some such crap, and how Beto was going to win.

I guess telling yourself lies like that is as necessary as spreading them around.  The average polling lead for Cruz up to election day was 4.9% ( https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/senate/texas/ ).  The actual vote spread was only 2.6%.  Just to be clear, no one, repeat no one predicted O'Rourke was going to win.  But he did narrow the winning margin by a huge amount compared to Cruz's 2012 blow out ( 16% spread ).  So something is happening in TX, Tex, and it isn't good for white supremacists.  You might wanna check out Austria or Hungary.  I hear those countries have a really strong white nationalism governments in place.  

 
 
Texan1211
6.3.13  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.3.12    5 days ago

You are getting a little funnier with every post you dream new stuff up in!

Tissue?

 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
6.3.14  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @6.3.13    3 days ago
Tissue?

No, thanks.  I wouldn't want to cut into your "short supply" as you'll need as much as you can get. 

 
 
Texan1211
6.3.15  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.3.14    3 days ago

Why would I need more? You planning on crying and bitching some more?

Sorry, but I'll have to start charging if you want me to supply you any longer.

 
 
MBFC really sucks
6.3.16  seeder  MBFC really sucks  replied to  Texan1211 @6.3.15    15 hours ago

The SPLC needs some tissue to get over all the hate their hateful organization spews against conservatives in such fine American groups as Alliance Defending Freedom, Concerned Women For America, Liberty Council, CIS, FAIR, American Family Association, Family Research Council, and many other fine upstanding conservative Republican organizations.  May God richly bless all the social conservative organizations that the SPLC spews partisan political hate against for no good reason.  

 
 
Texan1211
6.3.17  Texan1211  replied to  MBFC really sucks @6.3.16    14 hours ago

The SPLC is a crap organization.

No thinking American should put much credence into what they have deemed hate groups.

 
 
Jasper2529
6.3.18  Jasper2529  replied to  Texan1211 @6.3.17    14 hours ago
The SPLC is a crap organization.

You're being too kind.

No thinking American should put much credence into what they have deemed hate groups.

Yet, many do. I give as much credence to the SPLC as I do to Snopes and MediaBiasFactCheck - and that is near-zero.

 
 
Texan1211
6.3.19  Texan1211  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.3.18    14 hours ago

Too true!

 
 
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