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Once again, the New York Times misunderstands, mocks evangelical Christians

  

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Via:  donald-trump-fan1  •  5 years ago  •  111 comments

Once again, the New York Times misunderstands, mocks evangelical Christians
Second, these evangelicals are not paranoid. We are fighting a very real battle for our liberties. We are standing up for the rights of our children. Even Time Magazine published an article on June 29, 2016 titled "Regular Christians Are No Longer Welcome in American Culture." And already in 2003, David Limbaugh could write the book Persecution: How Liberals Are Waging War Against Christians. There's a reason I have urged fellow-evangelicals to rise up and speak up in 2019. (For a fair,...

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Contrary to what "The Gray Lady" would have you believe, it's the radical left that is attacking democracy. Evangelicals, in fact, are trying to protect it.


In a year-end op-ed piece for The New York Times, Katherine Stewart allegesthat, "The Christian nationalist movement today is authoritarian, paranoid and patriarchal at its core. They aren't fighting a culture war. They're making a direct attack on democracy itself." Such claims are as ludicrous as they are misleading.

According to Stewart, when evangelicals like Lance Wallnau compare Trump to King Cyrus in the Bible, they are actually wanting Trump to be a king. Indeed, she claims that, "in Mr. Trump, they have found a man who does not merely serve their cause, but also satisfies their craving for a certain kind of political leadership."

Evangelicals, whom she slyly characterizes as "Christian nationalists," want a king, not a president. They want someone to impose their views on the nation. They are theocratic, not democratic. That's why Trump is their man.

She writes: "I have attended dozens of Christian nationalist conferences and events over the past two years. And while I have heard plenty of comments casting doubt on the more questionable aspects of Mr. Trump's character, the gist of the proceedings almost always comes down to the belief that he is a miracle sent straight from heaven to bring the nation back to the Lord. I have also learned that resistance to Mr. Trump is tantamount to resistance to God."

Let's analyze these claims one at a time, as factually and as dispassionately as possible.

First, with regard to the Cyrus comparison, I can say without equivocation that those using the analogy did not use it with reference to Trump ruling over the nation like a king. As evangelical Americans, we trace our roots back to those who overthrew British rule. We reject a king over America just as much as we reject attempting to set up a theocracy where religious leaders rule the land by fiat and force.

The Cyrus analogy had to do with the unlikelihood of someone like Trump being president, just as it was unlikely that God would use someone like Cyrus (an idol-worshiping, non-Israelite) to restore the Jewish exiles from Babylon.

Wallnau even read Isaiah 45 to Trump at a gathering of evangelicals during the primaries, including these words: "For the sake of My servant Jacob, Israel My chosen one, I call you by name, I hail you by title, though you have not known Me" (Isa 45:4).

In other words, God was raising up Donald Trump – a non-evangelical, non-Christian – to help America and, in particular, to help evangelicals. It had nothing to do with him reigning as a king.

Second, these evangelicals are not paranoid. We are fighting a very real battle for our liberties. We are standing up for the rights of our children. Even Time Magazine published an article on June 29, 2016 titled "Regular Christians Are No Longer Welcome in American Culture." And already in 2003, David Limbaugh could write the book Persecution: How Liberals Are Waging War Against Christians.

There's a reason I have urged fellow-evangelicals to rise up and speak up in 2019. (For a fair, academic evaluation, see George Yancey and David A. Williamson, So Many Christians, So Few Lions: Is There Christianophobia in the United States?)

Third, we evangelicals are fighting a culture war. We are not fighting "democracy itself." To the contrary, we believe the democratic principles of our country are being undermined by radical ideologues who have a very different vision for America.

We see a rise in mobocracy, not democracy. We see a push towards socialism, which will destroy the democracy. We see an anti-Constitutional, even anti-American vision from the radical left that is destructive – and we see Trump opposing that.

For good reason Tom Gilson has started the new year writing about, "Leftist Totalitarianism: Your 'Freedom of Conscience' Under State Control." For good reason, Dennis Prager has warnedabout where the left wants to bring us in 2019.

It is the radical left that is attacking Democracy. Evangelicals are trying to protect it.

Fourth, it is downright disingenuous to speak of American evangelicals as "Christian nationalists," with all the ugly connotations such a term stirs up.

I don't know a single evangelical leader who would use such a term, nor do I know any who would prefer being labeled as such. (I can only speak of those I know.)

The truth be told, Stewart could just as well label liberal and "progressive" Christians as "Christian nationalists," since they too speak about what is right for America, they too believe that their candidates would do the best job for America, and they too claim to be following the principles of Jesus.

Fifth, these evangelical leaders are not standing up for patriarchy. They are resisting radical feminism, which ultimately hurts women more than anyone. They are pushing back against the "Shout Your Abortion" movement, against the war on the unborn. They are pro-woman and pro-family.

Sixth, virtually all evangelical leaders I know wish that Trump would not call people dogs, that he would not be so nasty and demeaning in his tweets.

They like the fact that he fights back. They like the fact that he takes on the media. But they often groan over the way he does it, and I can say with confidence that quite a few evangelical leaders have urged him to reconsider some of his methodology, even if their words fall on deaf ears.

But, as one black evangelical said during the primaries (this was quoted to me by a colleague): "I'm not voting for his morality or his spirituality. I'm voting for his constitutionality."

Seventh, Stewart forgets that most of us voted for Trump because we were voting against Hillary. He was not the first choice for most of us. And yes, given the circumstances, we do believe he was elected with God's help.

But since he has been elected, the Hillary-type forces (by which I mean the liberal media, the Democratic Party, and the leftist agenda) have only become more extreme. More anti-Christian. More anti-democracy. More anti-freedom.

Should we now hope that Trump is removed so that these forces come to power? And would the resistance to Mike Pence be any less intense?

In reality, Stewart has things upside down, since it is really the radical left that wants to take over the nation and rob us of our liberties. And evangelicals see Trump, with all his massive flaws and blemishes, fighting against this hostile takeover. And for that we are glad.

What's so unchristian about that?






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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    5 years ago

Sixth, virtually all evangelical leaders I know wish that Trump would not call people dogs, that he would not be so nasty and demeaning in his tweets. 

They like the fact that he fights back. They like the fact that he takes on the media. But they often groan over the way he does it, and I can say with confidence that quite a few evangelical leaders have urged him to reconsider some of his methodology, even if their words fall on deaf ears.

But, as one black evangelical said during the primaries (this was quoted to me by a colleague), “I’m not voting for his morality or his spirituality. I’m voting for his constitutionality.” 

Seventh, Stewart forgets that most of us voted for Trump because we were voting against Hillary. He was not the first choice for most of us. And yes, given the circumstances, we do believe he was elected with God’s help.   

https://www.google.com/amp/s/townhall.com/columnists/michaelbrown/2019/01/02/once-again-the-new-york-times-misunderstands-and-mocks-evangelical-christians-n2538383%3Famp%3Dtrue

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    5 years ago
Seventh, Stewart forgets that most of us voted for Trump because we were voting against Hillary. He was not the first choice for most of us. And yes, given the circumstances, we do believe he was elected with God’s help.   

Shut the front door!!!!  If there was a god, they'd have all been struck by lightning.  Why the fuck would god hate us all so much?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    5 years ago

You should read the last four paragraphs of the seeded article.....

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.1    5 years ago

Why the fuck would I want to do that when everything before it was unadulterated bullshit swill.

 
 
 
katrix
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1.2.3  katrix  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.2    5 years ago

I read them.  And the answer is, Pence is even scarier when it comes to wanting to institute Christian Sharia Law.  Trump only worships himself.  Pence has come right out and said that he puts his fairy tale book ahead of our Constitution - his oath of office was total bullshit.  He's a religious fanatic of the highest level.  He does all those other things Trump does, such as reject science, as well, although he does them out of his religious brainwashing rather than out of just plain idiocy and inability to read.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.2.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.1    5 years ago
You should read the last four paragraphs of the seeded article.....

"Seventh, Stewart forgets that most of us voted for Trump because we were voting against Hillary. He was not the first choice for most of us. And yes, given the circumstances, we do believe he was elected with God's help."

Yes, we get it. You bought all the bullshit the Russian propaganda trolls force fed you through social media so you weren't voting for Trump so much as voting against the straw man Hillary they created.

"But since he has been elected, the Hillary-type forces (by which I mean the liberal media, the Democratic Party, and the leftist agenda) have only become more extreme. More anti-Christian. More anti-democracy. More anti-freedom."

No, it just seems that way because this administration has leaned in to the ridiculous notion that Christians are under attack when that couldn't be further from the truth. It's like if there was a concert where everyone had assigned seats, but a huge group just got up and walked to the front of the stage and started dancing. After a while the event staff come up and ask them to take their seats so everyone can enjoy the show and have an unobstructed view to which the group standing in front of everyone throws a fit, yells and screams about their right to stand and dance where ever they want. All anyone is asking the evangelicals who keep demanding their right to inject their religion into secular society, to stand up in front of everyone as if it's their right to block everyone else's view, is to sit the fuck down, but that's taken as an attack on their faith.

"Should we now hope that Trump is removed so that these forces come to power? And would the resistance to Mike Pence be any less intense?"

If there is a supposedly "moral" God, or any God for that matter unless it's a cruel vindictive asshole God, it would have Trump and Pence marched out of the white house in hand cuffs today making Nancy Pelosi President. That would without a doubt be the best possible outcome for the America I love, the shining city on a hill, ever striving to be a more perfect union, not going back to the bitter racist inequality of our past.

"In reality, Stewart has things upside down, since it is really the radical left that wants to take over the nation and rob us of our liberties. And evangelicals see Trump, with all his massive flaws and blemishes, fighting against this hostile takeover. And for that we are glad."

No one is robbing you of your liberty, religious or otherwise. No one is saying you can't worship the way you want. Just because there are voices that laugh at your hilariously flawed faith, that does not mean you can't believe whatever you want. Pointing out the numerous contradictions in the bible is not an attack on anyone's religious liberty, in fact it's a display of religious liberty, the liberty to disagree with a religion or its doctrines. If you want the freedom of religion you have to recognize that includes freedom from religion. If you want to have the right to speak your mind about Islam, then you have to allow atheists and non-believers or even Muslims to speak their mind about Christianity.

"What's so unchristian about that?"

Evangelicals supporting Trump with his "massive flaws and blemishes" are doing so not to prevent anyone from robbing them of their liberties, they support him because he's the loudmouth who has declared they have every right to stand in front of everyone else and block their view at the concert. He's told them they're special, they're the "Super Platinum Titanium Level" Americans while atheists, liberals, Muslims and any other minority are just "Bronze" member Americans who's faith or lack thereof isn't as important as white evangelical Christians faith. And that is frankly the exact opposite of what Christ told his followers to be.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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1.3  SteevieGee  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    5 years ago
And yes, given the circumstances, we do believe he was elected with God’s help.   

So...  No help from God in the primaries then?  The best your god can do is a philandering, lecherous, skirt chaser who's driven by his own self importance and also a Russian agent to boot?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2  seeder  XXJefferson51    5 years ago

This is an an exceptional article regarding the New York Times and the msm in general and their shoddy treatment of Christians who happen to be conservative and who support and voted for Donald Trump. It is an excellent defense of evangelicals and why they supported him and what values and who they were voting against.  Dr. Brown is right on. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3  Tessylo    5 years ago

It must be quite exhausting always playing the victim card.  

 
 
 
devangelical
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4  devangelical    5 years ago

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Split Personality
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4.1  Split Personality  replied to  devangelical @4    5 years ago

It's listed under "Perspectives" on OneNewsNow.com with this disclaimer;

This column is printed with permission. Opinions expressed in 'Perspectives' columns published by OneNewsNow.com are the sole responsibility of the article's author( s), or of the person(s) or organization(s) quoted therein, and do not necessarily represent those of the staff or management of, or advertisers who support the American Family News Network, OneNewsNow.com, our parent organization or its other affiliates.
 
 
 
devangelical
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4.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @4.1    5 years ago

I rarely click on the seed source anymore, now that so many others are checking to see if the swill of the day is MBFC approved.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @4.1    5 years ago

It’s also published by The Stream, Charisma News, Christian Post, American Family Association, Town Hall and maybe more.  I seeded it from One News Now and quoted post 1 from Town Hall.  It is an op ed clearly and it is about the treatment of Christians in politics.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @4.1.1    5 years ago

That’s why opinions are now available on so many Christian and conservative sources.  Eventually the censors at SPLC and MBFC and Facebook, Google, etc will have to flat out ban all Christian and conservative thought as we are pooling together to get the banned seen and heard on all of our other platforms scattered from time to time.  

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.1.4  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.3    5 years ago

extreme fringe xtian churches are shedding members like a tree sheds leaves in the fall

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @4.1.4    5 years ago

Only in your dreams.  It’s liberal Catholics and liberal branches of mainline Protestant churches that are really hemorrhaging members.  

 
 
 
Don Overton
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4.1.6  Don Overton  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.2    5 years ago
Christian Post, American Family Association, Town Hall

Those three made the article totally unreliable 

 
 
 
katrix
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4.2  katrix  replied to  devangelical @4    5 years ago

You forgot persecution complex, whining, and total lack of any facts ... but then, what else would you expect?

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.2.1  devangelical  replied to  katrix @4.2    5 years ago

that's the flour, milk, and eggs of these daily turd loaves.

 
 
 
katrix
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4.2.2  katrix  replied to  devangelical @4.2.1    5 years ago

Evangelicals by their very definition feel they are called to shove their god down everyone else's throats.  So of course they feel persecuted when they are not allowed to do that.  Of course, they also believe that their faith alone gets them into heaven, so they have a get out of hell free card - therefore they can be as immoral as they want, as hateful as they want, and it won't matter in the long time.  That's also why they project their immorality on to atheists and such; since they think that way, they assume everyone else does. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.2.3  devangelical  replied to  katrix @4.2.2    5 years ago

the seeder has admitted on this forum that regular evangelical church attendance is treatment for spiritual sickness

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @4.2.3    5 years ago

We are all sinners.....each and every human that has ever lived save one.  

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.2.5  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.4    5 years ago

bullshit. prove it.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @4.2.5    5 years ago

You really think that you are perfect?  

 
 
 
Veronica
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5  Veronica    5 years ago

How are they being persecuted?

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1  epistte  replied to  Veronica @5    5 years ago
How are they being persecuted?

Apparently, religious persecution occurs when they aren't permitted to trample the secular and religious rights of everyone else in their mythological zeal. 

How is it possible that they are being persecuted when conservative Christians are more than 40% of the population? 

 
 
 
Veronica
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5.1.1  Veronica  replied to  epistte @5.1    5 years ago
Apparently, religious persecution occurs when they aren't permitted to trample the secular and religious rights of everyone else

I just do not see how someone wishing them "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" or asking them not to put up nativity scenes on public land that my taxes will have to go towards the upkeep is persecuting.

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1.2  epistte  replied to  Veronica @5.1.1    5 years ago
I just do not see how someone wishing them "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" or asking them not to put up nativity scenes on public land that my taxes will have to go towards the upkeep is persecuting.

In their mind, the US Constitution is subservient to their conservative interpretation of the Bible.  They think that this is a Christian county and we are all to either believe as they do or leave.  The fact that they abhor 95% the teachings of Jesus is not supposed to be noticed.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  epistte @5.1.2    5 years ago

And we're supposed to just tolerate Christian indoctrination in public schools

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1.4  epistte  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.3    5 years ago
And we're supposed to just tolerate Christian indoctrination in public schools

They would prefer that we didn't have public schools where facts are taught, but instead, that tax money would be used to further the goals of their Christian madrassas.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.3    5 years ago

The country survived just fine it’s first 186 years just fine with the Bible and prayer in public schools.  

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1.6  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.5    5 years ago
The country survived just fine it’s first 186 years just fine with the Bible and prayer in public schools.  

Are you still upset because your myth cannot use public schools are a recruiting ground and for propaganda reinforcement? Kids who want to pray in public schools still have the ability to pray, but they or their teachers cannot coerce others to take part in their illogical action of talking to themselves.  

Why do you need to pray when you claim that your god is both omnipotent and omniscient? Would you like me to explain this to you? 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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5.1.7  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.5    5 years ago

It's too bad it took so long for people to realize that prayer and bibles in public schools are unconstitutional. 

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1.8  epistte  replied to  Gordy327 @5.1.7    5 years ago
It's too bad it took so long for people to realize that prayer and bibles in public schools are unconstitutional. 

They will probably tell you that they prayed about it and their god said that it wasn't unconstitutional. 

 (10 years ago that would have been Onion-esque satire but I am expecting to hear that same claim from Fox News within the week. A bleach blonde bimbo will say it with a straight face and a drug-induced smile) 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @5.1.7    5 years ago

They never were.  The liberal court backers of the so called living constitution reinvented it to conform to their agenda.  That’s what activist judges do.  

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1.10  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.9    5 years ago
They never were.  The liberal court backers of the so called living constitution reinvented it to conform to their agenda.  That’s what activist judges do.  

The Constitution needs to be a living document or it would have been unworkable before the Civil War. The fact that we have a SCOTUS that rules on constitutional interpretation makes that living Constitution a fact. 

 You and other conservatives use the phrase "activist judges" when the rulings don't go your way. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.1.11  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.9    5 years ago

the days of allowing non-secular scum roam free range across the wall of separation are over

 
 
 
Cerenkov
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5.1.12  Cerenkov  replied to  devangelical @5.1.11    5 years ago

Lol. Have you heard of Associate Justice Kavanaugh? Or Amy Coney Barrett?

You are so fucked...

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Cerenkov @5.1.12    5 years ago

Amy would be an awesome replacement for RBG if she has to retire in order to maintain her health in good standing.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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5.1.14  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.9    5 years ago
They never were.  

Because nothing is ever illegal until someone complains, right? >sarc<

The liberal court backers of the so called living constitution reinvented it to conform to their agenda.  

Not even close. Someone ( a theist no less) complained about prayer and bibles in school being unconstitutional and the SCOTUS agreed. 

That’s what activist judges do.  

You mean ruling in a way you disagree with?

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1.15  epistte  replied to  Cerenkov @5.1.12    5 years ago
Lol. Have you heard of Associate Justice Kavanaugh? Or Amy Coney Barrett? You are so fucked...

Is an alcoholic who grabby hands the best representative of your religious beliefs?

If you're looking to overturn Roe, Amy Barrett isn't your choice,

The fundamental element, that the woman has a right to choose abortion, will probably stand. The controversy right now is about funding. It's a question of whether abortions will be publicly or privately funded."

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Veronica @5    5 years ago

Read Dr. Brown’s seeded article.  

 
 
 
katrix
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6  katrix    5 years ago

*snort* if the idiot who wrote this article truly believes God put Trump in office, then why doesn't he think he put Obama in office? Or Pelosi?  They only give their god credit when it does something they agree with, and they assume it hates everything they hate.   Religious fanatics are so irrational.  If there were a god, it would likely be smiting its most devout followers for their false prophecy.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  katrix @6    5 years ago
if the idiot who wrote this article truly believes God put Trump in office, then why doesn't he think he put Obama in office? Or Pelosi? 

Silly katrix! God is a republican!

 
 
 
katrix
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6.1.1  katrix  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1    5 years ago

Well, the biblical description of God ... narcissistic psychopath, thin-skinned, smiting things at random when he gets pissed off, hypocritical, forcing himself on women, acting juvenile, generally being amoral ... does sound a lot like Trump!

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1    5 years ago
God is a republican!

which is why he let the wealthy conservatives tack his kid up after he turned into a socialist

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @6.1.2    5 years ago

ouch

 
 
 
Veronica
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6.1.4  Veronica  replied to  devangelical @6.1.2    5 years ago

Good observation.

 
 
 
Ender
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6.1.5  Ender  replied to  devangelical @6.1.2    5 years ago

Nothing stings more than getting down to the facts of the matter.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  katrix @6    5 years ago

Everyone in office in this country is there because they are in their own way fitting into His plan to prepare for His return.  

 
 
 
epistte
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6.2.1  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2    5 years ago
Everyone in office in this country is there because they are in their own way fitting into His plan to prepare for His return.  

The FSM has pictures of your god having kinky Tantric sex with Ardhanarishvara.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2    5 years ago

Do you mean in office in the white house?

That's not their role

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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XXJefferson51
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7.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @7    5 years ago

There was no hypocrisy in the seeded article except that shown by the New York Times and the msm. 

 
 
 
Ender
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8  Ender    5 years ago
God was raising up Donald Trump – a non-evangelical, non-Christian – to help America and, in particular, to help evangelicals

Raising up? He came down...on a escalator.

Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr. claimed that it “may be immoral” for evangelicals leaders “not to support” President Donald Trump in a recent interview.

During his conversation with  Washington Post  journalist Joe Helm, published on Tuesday, Falwell argued that all Christians should support the president.

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When Helm asked Falwell Jr. whether Trump could do anything to lose his support, he responded: “No.”

So no matter what he does or says they will never waiver in their devotion. A devotion that is supposedly against their religion to bestow on another human being.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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8.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @8    5 years ago

Not even if proof comes out that trmp paid for 8 abortions for his mistresses?

 
 
 
Ender
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8.1.1  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1    5 years ago

That would be comical seeing them squirm around that one.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1    5 years ago

If he had an affair and or paid for an abortion after beginning his run for President in June 2015 when he announced, that would do it.  As to what he did before associating himself with us and asking for support and promising to stand for life and religious liberty, God can forgive anyone and we are instructed to be forgiving as well.  In fact God told us that he will not forgive us of our sin unless we are willing to and do forgive sins against us by another. So, Trump got a fresh start and clean slate with us when he came to us.  That’s key, that he came to us as many of us including myself were inclined to support Carson, Cruz, or Rubio before that.  I voted for Carson in my state primary.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.2    5 years ago

Yet I am sure you damn those women to hell for having abortions and forgive the 'president' for fucking anyone willing to spread their legs for him and having multiple affairs and being a total immoral worthless excuse for a human being.  

Didn't you post a piece about the termination of pre born human babies for Christ's sake?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.2    5 years ago

Do evangelicals actually have any standards?  

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.1.5  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.2    5 years ago

so trump bearing false witness on a daily basis after associating with evangelicals is acceptable then? just how many do-overs does an evangelical get in this life without fear of punishment from their deity?

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
8.1.6  epistte  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.4    5 years ago
Do evangelicals actually have any standards?  

They won't accept less than $20.00 from their worshipping minions. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
8.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.3    5 years ago

Getting an abortion is no more an unpardonable sin in the eyes of God than any other murder would be.  God does not turn away from women or even the doctors who repent that sin to Him.  There is no single sin that God can not or wil not forgive. 

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
8.1.8  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.7    5 years ago
Getting an abortion is no more an unpardonable sin in the eyes of God than any other murder would be.  God does not turn away from women or even the doctors who repent that sin to Him.  There is no single sin that God can not or wil not forgive. 

How or why would you seek forgiveness from something that only exists in your beliefs? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
8.1.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  epistte @8.1.8    5 years ago

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Gordy327
Professor Expert
8.1.10  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.9    5 years ago
At the moment of the 2nd coming He will exist in the reality of everyone.  

Yeah, and on X-mas, Santa magically becomes reality when presents are found under an X-mas tree.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Participates
8.1.11  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.9    5 years ago

That is just sad, HA.  I really feel sorry for anyone who really believes in fairy tales. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
8.1.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @8.1.11    5 years ago

If denying the beliefs of the people and religion you hate in the God you deny exists makes you feel better.... 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
8.1.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @8.1.10    5 years ago

Misotheism noted.  

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
8.1.14  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.12    5 years ago
If denying the beliefs of the people and religion you hate in the God you deny exists makes you feel better.... 

Wy do you hate Vishnu, Thor, Zarathustra, Cronus, and Horus?

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
8.1.15  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.13    5 years ago
Misotheism noted.  

But you hate my FSM god.............

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
8.1.16  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.9    5 years ago
At the moment of the 2nd coming He will exist in the reality of everyone.  

Children say the same thing about Santa Claus and the Easter bunny. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
8.1.17  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  epistte @8.1.14    5 years ago

And President Trump and ambassador Brownback are pushing for the freedom of religion and religious liberty of believers of all religions in all countries around the world including the followers of the gods you mentioned. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
8.1.18  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  epistte @8.1.15    5 years ago

No, I don’t.  He tastes great and I had him along with meat and sauce for dinner last night!  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
8.1.19  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  epistte @8.1.16    5 years ago

Second Coming | Definition & Gospels

Second Coming, also called Second Advent or Parousia, in Christianity, the future return of Christ in glory, when it is understood that he will set up his kingdom, judge his enemies, and reward the faithful, living and dead. Early Christians believed the Advent to be imminent (see millennium), and most Christian theologians since then have believed that the visible appearance of Jesus may occur at any moment and that Christians should be ever ready for it. Such believers find evidence for the Second Coming in the Gospels (Matthew 24–25; Mark 13; Luke 21:5–26; John 14:25–29), in the Book of Revelation, and in other biblical and traditional sources. See also Last Judgment.

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Gordy327
Professor Expert
8.1.20  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.13    5 years ago

Once again, you are incorrect.

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
8.1.21  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.17    5 years ago
And President Trump and ambassador Brownback are pushing for the freedom of religion and religious liberty of believers of all religions in all countries around the world including the followers of the gods you mentioned. 

When have they fought for the religious rights of anyone but Christian conservatives/evangelicals?

Why should they stick their religious noses into the policies of another country when religion is an inherently divisive and dying idea? Maybe ISIL should claim that they are merely defending the religious rights of conservative Sunnis to recreate the Caliph?  If your god is truly omnipotent then why does he need the help of sinful mortal man to assist his believers?

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
8.1.22  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.19    5 years ago

That is a religious belief. Many scholars believe that the idea referred to the fall of Rome. 

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
8.1.23  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.18    5 years ago
No, I don’t.  He tastes great and I had him along with meat and sauce for dinner last night!  

Heretic! You cannot be a Christian and a Pastafarian in good standing. We have dracianian policies of dealing with people like you who defame the FSM.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
8.1.24  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  epistte @8.1.21    5 years ago

If you actually read the seeded article you’d know that the mission is to protect all persecuted minority religions in nations across the globe. 

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
8.1.25  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.24    5 years ago
If you actually read the seeded article you’d know that the mission is to protect all persecuted minority religions in nations across the globe. 

What they said their mission was and what they actually did are likely very different.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
8.1.26  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  epistte @8.1.25    5 years ago

Really?  Show us your proof that they don’t advocate for persecuted minority religions like the Baha’i, Yazidis, and others around the world as well as for Christians where we are a minority population.  

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
8.1.27  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.26    5 years ago
Really?  Show us your proof that they don’t advocate for persecuted minority religions like the Baha’i, Yazidis, and others around the world as well as for Christians where we are a minority population.  

What persecuted religions have they advocated for in the US? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
8.1.28  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  epistte @8.1.27    5 years ago

None.  The role of the Ambassador is to work abroad.  The executive branch of the federal government addresses persecution and or loss of religious liberty issues within our borders.  

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
8.1.29  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.28    5 years ago
 The executive branch of the federal government addresses persecution and or loss of religious liberty issues within our borders.

What are examples of religious bigotry and persecution in the US?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
8.1.30  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  epistte @8.1.29    5 years ago

The topic of the seeded article is about us assisting other groups in other countries to avoid persecution and gain religious freedom there.  

 
 

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