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A Prime Time Address and the National Emergency

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  5 years ago  •  241 comments

A Prime Time Address and the National Emergency
On Friday, the White House announced steps to address the growing humanitarian crisis along the U.S.-Mexico border, over which thousands of unaccompanied children have flowed in recent months.....June 20, 2014

President Trump will address the nation Tuesday night from the oval office at 9PM. Later in the week he will visit the southern border. The President will put forth his case to the American people in a format once used by the great Ronald Reagan. This will be President Trump's first national address from the Oval Office. The stakes couldn't be much higher. Very little has been done by congress to fix the nation's immigration problem. It has been a problem on the southern border since the 1980's. There is no way for this President to negotiate with democrats who have dug in on the symbolic promise candidate Trump once made the centerpiece of his campaign. 

So with the government shut down and no real motivation to end the stalemate, the President goes to the American people. Do I think he tries to persuade the American public to pressure their congressmen to take up the issue they dread?  He may do that, but he knows that even that won't get congress to actually address a problem that leaves little benefit to politicians. Therefore, I expect that the President will declare the border crisis a national emergency. Other Presidents have had to take that path. George W Bush had to do it with 9/11 & Katrina. Truman failed in his attempt to invoke it during the steel strike during the Korean War. FDR used it to segregate Japanese on the west coast after Pearl Harbor was attacked.  If Trump does it, it will be challenged and most likely in the 9th Circuit Court.

Eventually it would be a question for the SCOTUS. In the end if we find the President has the right to build his wall it will be a monumental victory for President Trump and the United States. If it turns out that the President dosen't have that right, for whatever reason, it is still a personal victory. Trump would have demonstrated his commitment to his promise and to those who voted for him.

He would have fought gallantly against the hard left's obstruction. 


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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1  author  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

To be filed under "the good fight"

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    5 years ago

What's the national emergency?

'He would have fought gallantly against the hard left's obstruction.' 

How has the left obstructed this 'president'?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    5 years ago

why should I have to help pay for trump and his xenophobic supporters useless wall when it was his financial supporters that invited these people to cross the border by giving them jobs to game the system in the first place? if trump wants a national monument to his stupidity, let the corporate fucks that hire illegal immigrants, instead of Americans, pay for it.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @1.2    5 years ago
his financial supporters that invited these people to cross the border by giving them jobs to game the system in the first place?

Let's fine all the people who hire illegals and use that money to build a wall/fence

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.2.2  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.1    5 years ago

that and issue them an orange jumpsuit and a tiny jar of vaseline. let their punishment fit their crimes against American taxpayers.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
1.2.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  devangelical @1.2.2    5 years ago
issue them an orange jumpsuit and a tiny jar of vaseline.

filled jar contains flypaper and sand

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
1.2.4  cjcold  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.2.3    5 years ago

And habaneros. The gift that keeps on giving.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2  Paula Bartholomew    5 years ago

He had the nerve to say today that he can relate to those workers who are now without paychecks because of his wall.  To Trump, roughing it means having to use 2 ply TP instead of 4 ply.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    5 years ago

I am going to keep this short and sweet.

"The border" is a metaphor for protecting a white nation, that is slipping away over time.

Trump uses the issue to create and protect his personal political popularity. Without the white nation behind him he would be less than the clueless idiot he is, he would be a clueless idiot without any political support.

Are there more illegal immigrants in the US than there were 10 years ago?  This graph shows the number of illegal immigrants in the US, by year.

Was Donald Trump calling for the building of a border wall in 2007 , when illegal immigration peaked? I don't remember it. Did he call for such a wall in 2011? That might have been more useful than his insane birther conspiracy nonsense, but I don't recall him doing so then either.

It is after Trump decided to run for president as the candidate of white grievance that his dream of a "wall" was spoken to inflame his audiences.

What is this "emergency" ?   Has his homeland security been so incompetent during his two years in office that the number has spiked back up during his term past even the 2007 figure?  He has told everyone he was doing a fantastic job , and has even said that much of the wall has already been built.

What is this "emergency" that requires the shutting down of the United States government and requires an emergency speech to the nation?

How many lies will Trump recite during his 10 or 15 minute speech? Keep it to a manageable figure please.

512

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @3    5 years ago

I defy you to come to the border area where I live and spout what you just did above and see how far you get and how long you last! Must be nice to sit somewhere far away from the realities of what goes on down here on the border while being spoonfed the CRAP that the liberal media vomits out! Pathetic. And by the way, you neglected to mention the source of your graph info...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1    5 years ago

Were you calling for a wall in 2007?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    5 years ago

In actuality, yes. I have always been in favor of a more solid barrier/wall than what is currently in place. The majority of people in my immediate vicinity are, and the majority like myself are of Hispanic heritage.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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3.1.3  pat wilson  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1    5 years ago
come to the border area where I live

Will you have to give up property to eminent domain for the wall ? Just curious.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  pat wilson @3.1.3    5 years ago

Will you Pat?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  pat wilson @3.1.3    5 years ago

I won't have to because it will not come to that. That is only fear mongering by the liberal left...

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.1.6  cjcold  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.5    5 years ago

Could have sworn that this whole immigrant scare is Trump fear mongering. [Removed]

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.5    5 years ago

Some people will lose land to eminent domain, maybe not you, but some will.

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1.8  Ender  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.5    5 years ago
That means that the United States, if it really builds a wall across the southern border, will do one of two things. Zavaleta knows this. 

“The question is: Do they run the fence through the middle of my property?" he says. "Or do they run the fence back toward the highway so I can’t get to it without going through a locked gate?”

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Fences were built sometimes on seized properties, sometimes on federally owned land. Along the river, or sometimes as much as a mile inland from it, brown steel bollards cut through fields and rise from river levees. But the fences come with giant gaps, too.

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Regardless of whether the new administration seeks to simply close the gaps in existing fences or build a whole new wall, some believe the wall will leave them cut off. They'll be on the opposite side from friends, neighbors, the rest of the United States.

Some fear even worse. They look at where they fall on a map, trace a straight line along the top edge of a twisting river border, and believe a wall will slice right through their homes or businesses, effectively wiping them off that map.

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Activists responded with outrage. They held a march in the city of Mission to oppose a possible wall on a levee that would leave a historic church in no-man's land, cut off by the wall. Then they staged a protest hike at the Santa Ana National Wildlife Refuge, saying a wall there would become a trap for animals who couldn't escape rising floodwaters and would cut off endangered ocelots from natural habitat. 

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Extending the fence or building a wall could bring a new round of court fights. And while there's no known path for the wall, sealing the entire Texas border could require seizing property on an untold scale. A USA TODAY NETWORK analysis of property records of the entire Texas line shows almost 5,000 parcels of land sit within 500 feet of the border. Building a wall there could affect almost all of them. 

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Early in the 21st century, a group led by south Texas developer Rollins Koppel envisioned a 420-acre riverfront tract as a destination for shops and waterside restaurants in Brownsville. 

By 2008, the project had secured the promise of tax incentives from the city and some of the early work on running streets and utilities was in place. But when the Department of Homeland Security decided it would need a narrow sliver a few hundred yards from the Rio Grande for the fence, the development project tanked.

Within a year, the offer of tax breaks was rescinded, and Koppel was not at all happy with the $233,000 offered by the government for what amounted to be about 6 acres a couple of hundred yards from the river.

“Once the federal government decided to build the wall that would sever the view of the river from the rest of the development, it killed the project,” says Billy Dyer, the Houston lawyer, who represented Koppel when he went to court to ask the government to pay $10 million. The fence devalued the rest of the acreage by laying to waste the development project, they argued.   The government contended that it should pay for only   the value of the land it had taken for the fence project.

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There are places along the existing fence where residents have to open a locked gate to get through to their property on the other side.

Lloyd Burns worries he'll be one of the next ones. Burns and his wife, Wendi, manage an RV park in Mission, a patch of land known as Chimney Park. As he talks, a breeze drifts in off the Rio Grande, cutting the early morning's 88-degree heat.

"People love this place," says Burns. "This is why they come here. For this."

Chimney Park is particularly popular with "Winter Texans" — Northerners and Easterners who live in Texas part-time to escape from their cold hometowns. For $2,486, you can rent a plot on the banks of the Rio Grande for six months. Somewhere just inland of those banks, Burns figures, the wall would be built. 

“If that wall is built … it would kill this park,” he says.

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Sixty miles downriver, Jeremy Barnard has a similar view. He, his father and uncle manage the neatly manicured 319-acre River Bend Resort & Golf Club.

The club straddles   a levee system that was constructed to block rising river water or act as a buffer in the event of a hurricane or other natural disaster. There's already border fencing running along the same levee system nearby. 

"We're a gap in it," Barnard says. 

About 75 percent of the club's acreage, including about 200 homes, is south of the levee, which many believe would be where the wall would be built.

"Fifteen of our 18 holes would all be south" of the wall, says Barnard, whose farming family purchased the property in 2015. "A lot of the land would be cut off."

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In Brownsville, the fence takes away river access from a downtown park and separates the University of Texas Rio Grande Valley from the waterway that gave the campus its name.

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  Back at Zavaleta's Historic Palmito Ranch, history may be looping back on itself like this twisting river.

The ranch sits within viewing distance of the last skirmish of the Civil War, where Confederate soldiers from the Texas Cavalry Battalion routed the Union troops in the Battle of Palmito Ranch in May 1865, some six week after the South had surrendered, but before every Confederate fighter had finally laid down arms.

It seems people have long been fighting over this scrubby land along the Rio Grande.

Zavaleta calls handing over his property for a fence “a giant waste of money” and a loss that would be felt for generations.

But the 70-year-old retired anthropology professor understands a court fight would only delay the inevitable.

“If the federal government wants my land," he says, "they’ll take my land."

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
3.1.9  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    5 years ago

Yes I supported the Border Fence Act and still believe it to be one of the nation’s highest priorities 

if not send the military permanently to the border or we citizen militia will go there and take care of it

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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3.1.10  SteevieGee  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.9    5 years ago

Great idea.  You go down there and "take care of it".

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.9    5 years ago
'we citizen militia will go there and take care of it'

Go for it!  Bring all your fellow militia men with you!

How ridiculous.  

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.12  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.11    5 years ago

they'll probably be too busy molesting the kids that cross over to do much shooting

 
 
 
katrix
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3.1.13  katrix  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.9    5 years ago
we citizen militia will go there and take care of it

Go for it.  It clearly isn't really that important to Trump, since he's refusing to pay the Border Patrol agents.  They're forced to work without pay.  Before long, many of them will quit and get jobs that actually pay them.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
3.1.14  livefreeordie  replied to  SteevieGee @3.1.10    5 years ago

Already organized and ready to go a front team of hundreds of citizen militia has already gone down to the border to join with ranchers to defend their property and our border

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.15  devangelical  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.14    5 years ago

make sure there's a few go-pros around. already watched most of the youtube videos of gun nuts accidentally shooting themselves and each other. putting some xenophobe and crusader border vigilante videos in that mix might add a little fresh humor.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    5 years ago

1) The newcomers over the southern border are mostly white.

2) There is no white nation. Whites don't vote as a bloc. Those who use identity politics encourage minority bloc voting and division

3) The emergency is what liberals have caused open borders and the surge of illegal immigration, the drug epidemic and social unrest.


Mine was shorter & sweeter

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
3.2.1  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2    5 years ago
The emergency is what liberals have caused open borders and the surge of illegal immigration, the drug epidemic and social unrest.

Please explain HOW 'liberals have caused' all of that. Please be specific. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2    5 years ago
If the "white nation" didn't vote as a bloc an idiot like Trump wouldn't get 90% of Republicans supporting him.

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The newcomers over the southern border are mostly white.

lol

 
 
 
lady in black
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3.2.3  lady in black  replied to  Dulay @3.2.1    5 years ago

He can't because it's all bullshit

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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3.2.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2    5 years ago

i like door # 3 the best

Hey Vic, the main reason immigrants come here, is for employment oppurtunities and a safer place to live and grow for their families.

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If there were sufficient deterrent to make it not worth the risk as the penalties would be so severe, that the employers of illegals, such as Trumps NJ golf resort, would not find the risk to be worth the reward'  no stinkin wall would be needed

Demz and Pubs both guilty of allowing illegals in, as corporations and about everyone, want cheap labor for unskilled jobs, and skilled as well.

Of course there are some that come and play our system for the handouts, but they are a small percentage.

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this is official BULLSHIPPPP

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.3  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @3    5 years ago
"The border" is a metaphor for protecting a white nation,

Bullshit!

We average roughly a million LEGAL immigrants each year.   The majority are Hispanic, Asian and Black.   Why would a "white nation" be doing that?

Your argument is not supported by factual data John.   Why do you keep pushing lies and half truths?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.3.1  Texan1211  replied to  Sparty On @3.3    5 years ago

Just a rather sad attempt to paint white America as a bunch of racists.

An epic fail, too.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
3.3.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.1    5 years ago
Just a rather sad attempt to paint white America as a bunch of racists.

Trumpp has already achieved as much

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4  Buzz of the Orient    5 years ago

Where have I heard this before?  "Hey Mr. XXXX, Tear down that wall."

After all, what's the purpose of requiring LEGAL immigration?

Open the fucking doors to every Trojan Horse that can exist. After all, don't we all have our guns to protect us?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4    5 years ago

That's interesting....the wall to keep people in vs the wall to keep people out.  In Ancient times the Roman Empire had the same problem. They conquered, then civilized & cultivated.  In the end it was all about keeping the barbarian hordes out. Today there is a different kind of migration from the third world to the first world. It will get worse.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
4.2  Dulay  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4    5 years ago
Where have I heard this before?  "Hey Mr. XXXX, Tear down that wall."

Interesting that you'd use that analogy. Seems to me that history proves that even that border wall system didn't keep people from crossing...

800

 
 
 
Krishna
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5  Krishna    5 years ago

Crisis?

The real crisi is the Trump's government shutdown which means smany gov't employees aren't getting paid. Others are out of work for the duration. Some won't be able to pay their mortgage.Those security checks at airports? Many TSA workers have called in sick because they're not getting paid. And that's going to become a real crisis!

Anyway the crisi that Trump is trying to get us to believe  is nonsense. Here are the facts about this alleged sudden "Crisis":

There’s no immigration crisis, and these charts prove it

The humanitarian crisis  involving immigrant children   at the U.S.-Mexico border has, among other things, laid bare a number of falsehoods driving much of the Trump administration's immigration agenda.

The administration has said that the country is in danger of being “ overwhelmed ” by “ massive increases in illegal crossings ” that will bring “ horrible crime ,” “ unbelievably great taxpayer expense ” and   the loss of American jobs .

None of those claims are true.

Below, we've compiled some of Wonkblog's coverage highlighting the latest data and research shedding light on erroneous beliefs about immigration in the United States.

(Read it all).

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @5    5 years ago
The real crisi is the Trump's government shutdown which means smany gov't employees aren't getting paid. Others are out of work for the duration. Some won't be able to pay their mortgage.Those security checks at airports? Many TSA workers have called in sick because they're not getting paid. And that's going to become a real crisis!

And where are the democrats on that?

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
5.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    5 years ago
And where are the democrats on that?

Where have you been Vic? The House passed 2 bills on the first day of this session to reopen the government. Both bills were VERBATUM the bills that the GOP passed just days before, by huge margins, one by voice vote. 

Any more questions? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @5.1.1    5 years ago

Lol, the two bills that leave out wall funding?  The two bills that Trump won't sign? The two bills that McConnell won't take up for a vote?

That's called a political strategy and it failed

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1.3  epistte  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.2    5 years ago
Lol, the two bills that leave out wall funding?  The two bills that Trump won't sign? The two bills that McConnell won't take up for a vote?That's called a political strategy and it failed

The Senate already passed funding the government with legislation that doesn't contain funding for the wall.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    5 years ago

The democrats won’t spend one dollar on protecting the American border with a Barrier, , but just voted to spend an additional 12 billion in foreign aid.

no secret where their priorities lie.

For a quarter of what they are giving away to foreigners (above and beyond what was requested) , they could end the shutdown and save American lives. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
5.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.2    5 years ago
Lol, the two bills that leave out wall funding? 

Laugh all you want, the GOP WROTE the fucking things...

The two bills that Trump won't sign?

Since WHEN has that stopped the Congress from passing legislation? It sure a hell didn't stop them from passing Obamacare repeal ad nauseam while Obama was in office. 

The two bills that McConnell won't take up for a vote?

Now you're FINALLY starting to place 'blame' where  it actually belongs. 

That's called a political strategy and it failed

Actually, passing bills is the job of Congress, a co-equal branch of the Government. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
5.1.6  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.4    5 years ago
The democrats won’t spend one dollar on protecting the American border with a Barrier, , but just voted to spend an additional 12 billion in foreign aid.

Link? 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
5.1.7  Gordy327  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.4    5 years ago

Why should democrats approve spending billions for a wall when Trump said Mexico would pay for it? jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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5.1.8  Studiusbagus  replied to  Dulay @5.1.6    5 years ago
Link? 

Don't hold your breath, the only $12 Billion they voted on was the farm bailout because of Trump's major fuck up on agricultural trade.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
5.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Krishna @5    5 years ago

its ok 

trump says he can feel their pain

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
6  Dulay    5 years ago
There is no way for this President to negotiate with democrats who have dug in on the symbolic promise candidate Trump once made the centerpiece of his campaign.

It takes TWO to negotiate. Trump is the one that's 'dug in' because he painted himself into a corner he can't get himself out of by slinging more bullshit. 

Perhaps you can explain why Trump refused to accept 1.6 BILLION for his WALL when that is the amount he asked for in his 2019 budget. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @6    5 years ago
Trump is the one that's 'dug in' because he painted himself into a corner he can't get himself out of by slinging more bullshit.

Trump has brought the issue to a head. The issue now is securing the border.


Perhaps you can explain why Trump refused to accept 1.6 BILLION for his WALL when that is the amount he asked for in his 2019 budget.

That was for a "wall" or border security?

"House Minority Whip   Steny Hoyer   said Tuesday that border wall funding remains the principle unresolved item in year-end spending negotiations and suggested that $1.6 billion is an agreeable figure for border security so long as the language does not require it to be spent on the wall."



Perhaps you can tell me why democrats are against the "wall"?   Most already know, but I'd love to hear your explanation.  Be specific

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    5 years ago

What is the emergency? There are no more illegal immigrants than there were 10 years ago.

"Social unrest?"  you've got to be kidding.

 
 
 
lady in black
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6.1.2  lady in black  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    5 years ago

A fucking wall will NOT solve the fucking problem so why in the fucking hell should we waste billions on something that will NOT be a deterrent.  

Orange conman traitor in chief is dug in because he wants his wall, he is acting like a toddler having a temper tantrum.  He is NOT getting his wall.

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Quiet
6.1.3  lady in black  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.1    5 years ago

It's a smoke screen so the orange shit stain in the white house can save face, he is NOT getting his wall

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.1    5 years ago

1) drugs
2) human trafficking
3) the flow illegal migration with children
4) the approx 20 million living here illegally
5) Most important of all - The inaction & gridlock in congress on this issue since the late 80's

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  lady in black @6.1.2    5 years ago
A fucking wall will NOT solve the fucking problem so why in the fucking hell should we waste billions on something that will NOT be a deterrent.  

Says who?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  lady in black @6.1.3    5 years ago

It's a smoke screen so the orange shit stain in the white house can save face, he is NOT getting his wall

[deleted]

 
 
 
GregTx
PhD Guide
6.1.7  GregTx  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.5    5 years ago

Globalists, at least that's what I read on the Interweb's.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.4    5 years ago

Something that has been going on for 30 years is not an emergency.

The drugs come in "legally" past guarded checkpoints.

While human trafficking is a despicable occurrence and serious criminal activity, it is not a national emergency.

In terms of those who have been living here illegally for years, those who have clean records need to be granted permanent status.

I am more interested in having those who come here from elsewhere understand they need to adopt an American viewpoint than I am trying to send back people who have been here for a long time.

We need immigration reform, and border security, but "the wall" is a racial play. Always has been since trump came up with it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.6    5 years ago
That's what the liberal scum are all focused on. Removed for context

lol. Sounds like a coc violation to me.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6.1.10  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.8    5 years ago
"I am more interested in having those who come here from elsewhere understand they need to adopt an American viewpoint than I am trying to send back people who have been here for a long time."

I very much agree with that. Unfortunately, although the long-time citizens of European countries such as France, Germany, Belgium, Holland and England and Sweden would have liked that as well, IT DOES NOT SEEM TO HAPPEN.  I don't think the long-time citizens realized what was GOING to happen, and I feel pity for those in North America who don't think it will happen there.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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6.1.11  pat wilson  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.6    5 years ago
Removed for context

Ooookay, we know who you are now.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
6.1.12  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    5 years ago
That was for a "wall" or border security?

For his 'WALL'. 

From your link:

The Senate Homeland Security appropriations bill, which was reported out of committee but never debated on the floor, includes $1.6 billion for “approximately 65 miles of pedestrian fencing along the southwest border in the Rio Grande Valley Sector.”

So the 1.6 BILLION that the GOP Chaired committee reported out is strictly for border fencing. The bill in question, which BTFW McConnell NEVER brought to the floor, has many more BILLION designated for other functions of 'border security'. 

Oh and Ryan and the GOP House failed to get 7 out of 12 appropriation bills and then punted at the last minute on the way out of the door...

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
6.1.13  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.4    5 years ago
drugs

Which can easily be passed THOUGH Trump's 'steel slats'. 

human trafficking

I'd love to see some data on how Trump's WALL will curtail human trafficking. Got any? 

the flow illegal migration with children

Then let them come through the port of entry. 

the approx 20 million living here illegally

Trump's WALL and shutdown addresses that how exactly? 

Most important of all - The inaction & gridlock in congress on this issue since the late 80's

Something that you admit has been ongoing for almost 4 decades is an emergency how Vic? 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
6.1.14  Dulay  replied to  pat wilson @6.1.11    5 years ago

Sounds like Vic wants to see a lot of dead people...

 
 
 
pat wilson
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6.1.15  pat wilson  replied to  Dulay @6.1.14    5 years ago

Ya, disgusting.

 
 
 
epistte
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6.1.16  epistte  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.6    5 years ago
That's what the liberal scum are all focused on. We should build it and impale every liberal on it...with the sharpest blades!

Stay classy.

 

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
6.1.17  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.1    5 years ago

Trump's just jealous that the Chinese have a yuuuger wall than he does.

 
 
 
PJ
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6.1.18  PJ  replied to  lady in black @6.1.2    5 years ago

Fuck yeah!   Oops, I got caught up in the moment.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
6.1.20  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.19    5 years ago

Here's one:

"I think this is a multi-faceted problem that requires a multi-faceted solution," Kevin McAleenan, the commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) , told "This Week" co-anchor Martha Raddatz on the crisis at the southern border.

“We also need to invest in Central America," he said Sunday. "The State Department's announcement of an unprecedented increase in aid, I think is a tremendous step forward. Our green shoots of progress, both on security and the economic front in Central America, we need to foster that and help improve the opportunities to stay at home."

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
6.1.21  Dulay  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.8    5 years ago
I am more interested in having those who come here from elsewhere understand they need to adopt an American viewpoint than I am trying to send back people who have been here for a long time.

IMHO, most of those that come here have ALREADY adopted an 'American' POV. They come here because they want a chance at the 'American dream'. I know that my Grandfather did and he achieved it. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
6.1.24  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.22    5 years ago
Sorry about all the questions, but i was wondering why there has been no improvements after some aid has been given.

Those are good questions to ask the Chief of the CBP. I presume that he thought it through before he made the statement. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
6.1.25  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.23    5 years ago
So it is not really asylum then? 

Isn't part of the 'American dream' living and raising your family in a safe environment? 

I thought that was the main issue?

Not according to Trump and his minions. They decry a 'caravan' of asylum seekers and then insist that 'illegals' are invading the country. 

Here is the kind of ridiculous statements that they put out: 

The exponential increase in vulnerable populations arriving illegally takes vital resources away from detecting and apprehending criminals, drug traffickers, and vulnerable aliens.

'Slow walking' asylum seekers causes 'vulnerable populations' to cross between ports of entry. It isn't illegal to seek asylum no matter HOW you enter the country. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.26  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @6.1.14    5 years ago
'Sounds like Vic wants to see a lot of dead people...'

Only liberal dead people.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.27  Texan1211  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.22    5 years ago

For some, the solution is always to spend more money on the same tired old programs that have gotten us here today.

For many liberals, there is no problem too big to be solved with scattering U.S taxpayer dollars around.

 
 
 
lady in black
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6.1.28  lady in black  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.26    5 years ago

Just another keyboard warrior hiding behind a computer.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.1.29  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dulay @6.1.20    5 years ago
"I think this is a multi-faceted problem that requires a multi-faceted solution,"

And the folks arguing that we in a state of emergency don't understand terms like "multi-faceted". It's not as simple as building a wall or a fence.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.30  Tessylo  replied to  epistte @6.1.16    5 years ago

They always keep it so KKKlassy

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.31  Tessylo  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.19    5 years ago
'Do you have any suggestions on how we can keep people from coming over here that are illegal?'

Do you?

 
 
 
Snuffy
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6.1.32  Snuffy  replied to  Dulay @6.1.25    5 years ago
So it is not really asylum then? 
Isn't part of the 'American dream' living and raising your family in a safe environment? 

Then come in thru the legal process rather than jumping thru the border and declare you are looking for asylum. There is a process to immigrate into this country, follow the rules. There is a process that spells out how someone can qualify for asylum. Follow the rules.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.33  Texan1211  replied to  Snuffy @6.1.32    5 years ago
Then come in thru the legal process rather than jumping thru the border and declare you are looking for asylum. There is a process to immigrate into this country, follow the rules. There is a process that spells out how someone can qualify for asylum. Follow the rules.

When some don't like the rules, they wish to change them.

Why anyone wants to let anyone and everyone come here is beyond me.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
6.1.37  Raven Wing  replied to  epistte @6.1.16    5 years ago
Stay classy.

One has to first have class before they can try to "stay classy."

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
6.1.38  Dulay  replied to  Snuffy @6.1.32    5 years ago
Then come in thru the legal process rather than jumping thru the border and declare you are looking for asylum. There is a process to immigrate into this country, follow the rules. There is a process that spells out how someone can qualify for asylum. Follow the rules.

Most TRIED to do just that but were sent packing, told to come back tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow. CBP is slow walking asylum seekers, processing a little as 60 a day. While the southern border is NOT a dangerous place on the US side, it sure as hell is on the Mexican side. 

Oh and BTW, once they cross the border, WHEREVER they cross the border, they have a RIGHT to seek asylum LEGALLY. Trump is the one who is criminalizing asylum seekers. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.39  Tessylo  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.34    5 years ago
'Looks to me that all they want is open borders.'

Nope.  

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
6.1.40  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.34    5 years ago
Looks to me that all they want is open borders. 

Over the last week of so, I have read here ad nauseam that the Democrats are being hypocritical because they voted FOR the WALL [actually it is a fence] before but won't vote for it now. Of course they desperately ignore the FACT that Trump was offered 25 BILLION for border security last year and he nixed it AND even though the votes JUST TAKEN include funding for border security. 

So, who are 'they' Kathleen. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
6.1.42  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.41    5 years ago

So I presume that is some small percentage of NV members and NOT any representative portion of the country...

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
6.1.44  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.43    5 years ago

There's no accounting for dipshits Kathleen. 

It's far more productive to discuss RELEVANT POV. 

We are NEVER going to have a cement wall on our borders and we are NEVER going to have open borders again. 

So we should limit the debate to REALITY and admit that there is a HUGE grey area in between where we can come to a compromise. 

If it weren't for the fact that Trump is desperately trying to 'save face', it could have gotten done long ago. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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6.1.46  lennylynx  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.45    5 years ago
"Delay"

jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png   I actually thought this thing WOULD end quickly for the reason Delay (sorry Dulay!) laid out.  The Democrats do want border security and even agree that a physical barrier is a good idea in certain areas.  Trump just gums everything up by babbling like the idiot he is.  The most amazing thing about the 'great deal maker' Trump is that he is the WORST deal maker Washington has ever seen.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.48  Tessylo  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.47    5 years ago

The left?

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.49  Tessylo  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.43    5 years ago

Nonsense

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.51  Tessylo  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.50    5 years ago

I will by not posting on your seeds.  You need to keep your promise not to comment on mine dear

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.53  Tessylo  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.52    5 years ago

Again, I will do as I please 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.1.54  devangelical  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.52    5 years ago
I can talk to Perrie about it.

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Studiusbagus
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6.1.55  Studiusbagus  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.22    5 years ago
What is wrong with the people that are in charge over there? You can keep throwing money out there, but sometimes that is not going to help and it may not go where you thing it will. 

Sometimes the money you're being told about is not going exactly where they tell you it is.

I give you the Iran/Contra episode for one. CIA dropping off weapons in Panama and picking up cocaine and marijuana in Colombia to bring back, sell, and then declare a war on the drugs they just brought in and getting funding for the war that bought more cocaine.

Or Afghanistan where the president was taking cash payments from us.

The CIA was handing Karzai 10's of millions of dollars to look the other way..

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.1.58  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.45    5 years ago

The issue has become that Trump insists on his own facts and no matter how many times he has been proven to have lied, his sycophantic fans swill his bullshit. He's gotten away with it all his life and until WE THE PEOPLE say ENOUGH, he'll keep slinging it. 

How do we come to an agreement with a man who lies incessantly, who makes deals and reneges on them, who has no vested interest in anything but himself. 

At a certain point, we have to draw the line and demand that Trump does what is right for the country and I doubt that will happen until enough Republicans man up and stand up to him. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
6.1.60  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.59    5 years ago
Good border security is the one thing I agree on.  The wall, maybe, but if there is another way to fully control this problem, I am for it. 

Yet without FACTS, we have no basis for making a cogent decision on what WILL work. Trump demands to have his own facts and wants us to let him spend BILLIONS based on bullshit. All merely so he can save face. 

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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6.1.62  Studiusbagus  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.56    5 years ago
You never know really.

Yes, you never really do. A depressing example is "Feed the Children"...they're a financial mess! 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
6.1.64  Dulay  replied to  dennis smith @6.1.63    5 years ago

Part of the American Dream is to become an American legally.

There I fixed it for you...

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
6.1.65  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.61    5 years ago
Whatever there Dulay...

Thanks for the pithy comment. /s

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
7  bbl-1    5 years ago

"He would have fought gallantly against the left's obstruction."  The last line in this op-ed thing.

The Trump also said he, "Would have ran into the school and confronted the shooter."  Sure he would.

Besides, it isn't Trump's Wall.  The Wall was just a campaign catch phrase to keep the Trump on the message of immigration.  And seeing as how the Trump is a 'one trick pony' this is as far as it can ever go.  Besides, the Nancy & Chuck Show will give the dolt a way out and the dolt will never know the difference.

As far as the Trump's Oval Office Address tomorrow...…………..we shall see.  It might even be canceled by then.  And if not...……...the Trump will probably wish it would have been canceled.

No need to worry.  The Trump said the majority of those workers not being paid are standing with him and will make adjustments.   All is good in Trump/World.

 
 
 
katrix
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7.1  katrix  replied to  bbl-1 @7    5 years ago

Well, being evicted or having your car repossessed could certainly be considered "making an adjustment".

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
7.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  katrix @7.1    5 years ago

Trumpism requires 'adjustments' from the faithful.

 
 
 
JumpDrive
Freshman Silent
8  JumpDrive    5 years ago

Republican Congressman Willard Hurd was just re-elected. He represents Texas’s 23rd District which shares an 800 mile border with Mexico. He is against the wall saying in 2017 that it is a "third-century solution to a 21st-century problem" and the "most expensive and least effective way to secure the border." As a member of the 115th Congress, he has voted in line with President Trump's position in 96.6% of votes. So, he is really a Republican, just not a really stupid one.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
9  Hal A. Lujah    5 years ago

Trump got tired of caging brown kids, so now he’s trying to starve Americans by stopping as many of their paychecks as he can - regardless of their identity or politics.  Trump is nothing but a white collar gang banger. He has no real agenda for improving the country, he’s just out to take your lunch money and demean anyone who doesn’t like it.  When this dirtbag President* finally dies, I predict there will be few who lower their flags to half mast - except for those with confederate flags.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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10  Snuffy    5 years ago

This might get flagged as off-topic,  or may generate a ton of hate mail..  but what the heck,  I've got a twisted sense of humor...

I would like everybody to remember this thread the next time there is a thread on gun control. Because the arguments are basically the same, just switch the sides.. 

Will the wall solve all the illegal immigration problems?  -  no
Will the wall stop all drug smuggling? - no

But hey,  if it saves one life isn't it worth it?

/s

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
10.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Snuffy @10    5 years ago
Will the wall solve all the illegal immigration problems?  -  noWill the wall stop all drug smuggling? - no

But hey,  if it saves one life isn't it worth it?

/s

No, t's not worth it, when there are more viable and cost effective ways to deal with our border issues.

just my opine

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.2  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @10    5 years ago

Nothing to remember here.  Not the same thing at all.  

 
 
 
Snuffy
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10.2.1  Snuffy  replied to  Tessylo @10.2    5 years ago
Nothing to remember here.  Not the same thing at all.  

No, the issue is not the same. But a large part of the discussion is. That's why I think the conversation is kind of funny.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.3  Texan1211  replied to  Snuffy @10    5 years ago
This might get flagged as off-topic, or may generate a ton of hate mail.. but what the heck, I've got a twisted sense of humor...
I would like everybody to remember this thread the next time there is a thread on gun control. Because the arguments are basically the same, just switch the sides..
Will the wall solve all the illegal immigration problems? - no
Will the wall stop all drug smuggling? - no
But hey, if it saves one life isn't it worth it?

You realize that any attempt to discuss this rationally and with logic will be met with ridicule from the usual suspects.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
10.3.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @10.3    5 years ago
u realize that any attempt to discuss this rationally and with logic will be met with ridicule from the usual suspects.

what was irrational or un Spock like, in my comment to Snuffy

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.3.2  Tessylo  replied to  igknorantzrulz @10.3.1    5 years ago

Pay no attention to certain posters (the usual suspects).  All they do is piss and moan and whine and complain and bitch and cry about liberals/progressives/democrats.  They got nothing else.  

P.S. He wasn't talking about you.  He was talking about me.  

Also, that poster has a crush on me.  

 
 
 
cjcold
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10.3.3  cjcold  replied to  Tessylo @10.3.2    5 years ago

We all have a crush on you Tessy.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.3.4  Tessylo  replied to  cjcold @10.3.3    5 years ago

Thank you darling!

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
10.4  Dulay  replied to  Snuffy @10    5 years ago
I would like everybody to remember this thread the next time there is a thread on gun control. Because the arguments are basically the same, just switch the sides.. 

Wow, there isn't enough mustard on the planet for that pretzel.

 
 
 
katrix
Sophomore Participates
11  katrix    5 years ago

Even Fox News called out Sarah Sanders when she lied and claimed terrorists come in through the Southern border. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
11.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  katrix @11    5 years ago

yea, Wallace is an actual reporter, not a shill for all things "right"

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
11.1.2  Dulay  replied to    5 years ago
Now if we can the get the shills from CNN to actually report news.

How about 'we' get the WH shills to stop LYING? 

 
 
 
luther28
Sophomore Silent
12  luther28    5 years ago

A Prime Time Address and the National Emergency

The only National emergency is the one contrived in Mr. Trump's noggin, His address as His emergency with be nothing more than the lies that both He and His administration have been spewing over the past few months.

Funny thing about the WALL and the BORDER, we have another border to the North that no one seems particularly concerned with, hmmmm.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.1  Texan1211  replied to  luther28 @12    5 years ago

Have caravans started showing up at our northern border, demanding admittance?

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
12.1.1  PJ  replied to  Texan1211 @12.1    5 years ago
Have caravans started showing up at our northern border

No but planes have.  Remember 911?  That was a true national emergency.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  PJ @12.1.1    5 years ago

The planes from 9/11 were coming from our northern border?

Interesting notion, but I clearly remember otherwise.

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
12.1.3  PJ  replied to  Texan1211 @12.1.2    5 years ago

I think you know very well what I'm saying unless you recently lost some marbles which I highly doubt.  You're a bright man.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  PJ @12.1.3    5 years ago
No but planes have. Remember 911? That was a true national emergency.

Sorry, I have this bad habit of responding to what people actually write. I don't try to decipher what I think they meant. If you meant something other than what you wrote, please do write something different.

Then we'll talk again.

 
 
 
Old Hermit
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12.1.5  Old Hermit  replied to  Texan1211 @12.1    5 years ago
Have caravans started showing up at our northern border, demanding admittance?

What Trump and his paid liars would like Americans to believe is happening at the Southern border.

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Of course, the truth is very different.

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Fact Check: Did the U.S. catch 4,000 terrorists at the southern border in 2018?

WASHINGTON — White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said Friday that Customs and Border Protection picked up nearly 4,000 known or suspected terrorists last year "that came across our southern border."

...............

According to Justice Department public records and two former counter terrorism officials, no immigrant has been arrested at the southwest border on terrorism charges in recent years.

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Only six immigrants in terrorism database stopped by CBP at southern border in first half of 2018
The low number contradicts statements by Trump

U.S. Customs and Border Protection encountered only six immigrants at ports of entry on the U.S-Mexico border in the first half of fiscal year 2018 whose names were on a federal government list of known or suspected terrorists, according to CBP data provided to Congress in May 2018 and obtained by NBC News.

The low number contradicts statements by Trump administration officials, including White House press secretary Sarah Sanders, who said Friday that CBP stopped nearly 4,000 known or suspected terrorists from crossing the southern border in fiscal year 2018.

...............

Overall, 41 people on the Terrorist Screening Database were encountered at the southern border from Oct. 1, 2017, to March 31, 2018, but 35 of them were U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents. Six were classified as non-U.S. persons.

On the northern border, CBP stopped 91 people listed in the database, including 41 who were not American citizens or residents.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
12.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Old Hermit @12.1.5    5 years ago

Mike Pence said that 10 terrorists PER DAY are apprehended at the border.

I don't think anyone asked him to prove it. The media comments on these lies after the fact, but they don't interrupt these right wing liars in the act.  Interrupt him and say, "what is your evidence?"

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Old Hermit @12.1.5    5 years ago

Nice and all, but what does that have to do with any caravans showing up on our northern border, since THAT is what was asked?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  PJ @12.1.3    5 years ago
'You're a bright man.' 

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Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
12.1.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  PJ @12.1.1    5 years ago

I wonder how many real terrorists walk across the Canadian-US border every day? It's a relatively easy border to cross.

"Do you have any fruits or vegetables to declare?"

Uh, no, but we won't discuss the 10 cartons of cigarettes or the 6 cases of beer in the hatch

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
12.1.10  charger 383  replied to  Trout Giggles @12.1.9    5 years ago

why don't we work on where the biggest problem is first?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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12.1.11  1stwarrior  replied to  charger 383 @12.1.10    5 years ago

That would be Congress.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
12.1.12  charger 383  replied to  Texan1211 @12.1    5 years ago

or demanding money to go away?   

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  charger 383 @12.1.12    5 years ago

Some seem to believe that since we can't stop everyone, we shouldn't try stopping anyone. Weird, huh?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
12.1.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  charger 383 @12.1.10    5 years ago

Arkansas Hermit stated that 91 people who were on the watch list were stopped by CBP last year on the Northern border. How many were stopped at the southern border? 6?

Seems to me that the northern border is a hell of a lot more porous than our southern border. Besides...we got to stop all that cold weather coming down here

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
12.1.16  charger 383  replied to  1stwarrior @12.1.11    5 years ago
That would be Congress.

and they have a fence around their building and a well armed police force to protect them.  Jump their fence and see what happens 

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
12.1.17  PJ  replied to  Texan1211 @12.1.4    5 years ago

Terrorist = 9/11

This administration is claiming terrorists are crossing the southern border and many who support him on this message act as though those of us in the North don't understand the risks of terrorism.  Your comment about the north and people crossing boarders suggest we have no clue about risks.

I'm reminding you and others that we know far better than some of his supporters about terrorism.  

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
12.1.18  PJ  replied to  1stwarrior @12.1.11    5 years ago

No, that's been fixed.  I think the next problem that needs to be addressed is in the WH.  jrSmiley_68_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
12.1.19  livefreeordie  replied to  PJ @12.1.17    5 years ago

We can’t know how many terrorists are entering the country because we barely catch half of the illegals entering the Southern Border

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
12.1.20  PJ  replied to  livefreeordie @12.1.19    5 years ago

We do know that it's much much less than in the early 2000.  If it wasn't a crisis back then when there was 3/4 more coming into the country then why would it be a crisis with 3/4 less?

It's a ridiculous argument to try and make.  

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
12.1.21  Dulay  replied to  livefreeordie @12.1.19    5 years ago
We can’t know how many terrorists are entering the country because we barely catch half of the illegals entering the Southern Border

We CAN know that the statistics that Trump and his minions are citing are LIES.  

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
12.1.22  livefreeordie  replied to  PJ @12.1.20    5 years ago

It’s always been a crisis amplified in the age of cartels, Mexican mafia, terrorism, and contagious disease

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
12.1.23  PJ  replied to  livefreeordie @12.1.22    5 years ago

None is good no matter the number but again, if it wasn't a national crisis and emergency when we had millions more coming in steadily back in the early 2000's then how can one claim it is an emergency now when the numbers are much lower.   

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.1.24  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @12.1.22    5 years ago

See the pastor is inferring these immigrants are disease ridden.

As bad as the feral cat and vermin.

Good job pastor

 
 
 
lennylynx
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12.1.25  lennylynx  replied to  PJ @12.1.3    5 years ago
"You're a bright man."

Where's that damn puke emoji??

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
12.1.26  PJ  replied to  lennylynx @12.1.25    5 years ago

I do think he is a bright person.  I may not agree with him 98 no 99% of the time but we have civil conversations most of the time.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.1.27  Tessylo  replied to  lennylynx @12.1.25    5 years ago

Luv ya Lenny darlin!jrSmiley_93_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
12.1.28  lennylynx  replied to  Tessylo @12.1.27    5 years ago

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cjcold
Professor Quiet
12.3  cjcold  replied to  luther28 @12    5 years ago

Those damn Canucks snuck over William Shatner and Jim Carey and almost ruined Hollywood!

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
13  charger 383    5 years ago

Almost Americans have doors and locks on their homes, the country should have the same  

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
13.1  Sparty On  replied to  charger 383 @13    5 years ago

Spot on!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.2  Tessylo  replied to  charger 383 @13    5 years ago

How does that work?  The wall will have locks on it?  Will that keep out the feral cats and the vermin like some posters like to call them?  

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
13.2.1  charger 383  replied to  Tessylo @13.2    5 years ago

doors and locks, like walls and fences are part of physical security

 

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
13.2.2  charger 383  replied to  Tessylo @13.2    5 years ago

do you really want anybody to come into where you live without your permission?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  charger 383 @13.2.2    5 years ago

Like feral cats?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
13.2.4  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @13.2    5 years ago

San Diego Border Fence works to stop illegals

“Yet this barrier triggered a process of trial and error with border walls that, over the course of 2 1/2 decades, has reduced the number of apprehensions of illegal aliens in San Diego from more than 628,000 in fiscal 1986 to its current number of around 30,000 a year.

Tekae Michael, a San Diego Border Patrol agent, stands in Otay Mesa at the eastern end of the 46-mile-long barrier—which falls almost 15 miles short of covering the 60 miles of border in San Diego. From the south, roosters crow and the occasional shout can be heard from the sprawl of concrete and tin homes in Mexico. To the north, the occasional Border Patrol jeep can be seen in the Otay Mountain Wilderness.

“Before this primary fence was built, migrants were coming north with no fencing, no barrier to stop them,” Michael said, noting that before they began constructing the initial barrier in 1991, people were “driving basically straight on through the border.”

“So this primary fence was built to stop those huge loads of people and narcotics,” she said.

These days, it’s relatively quiet. Michael notes that on this tour of the border wall, it’s unlikely we’ll encounter many people trying to cross illegally—something that would have been a common sight in the 1980s and ’90s.

San Diego was once the primary hub for illegal immigration and drug smuggling from Mexico. When the initial wall was first being erected in 1991, according to Border Patrol statistics, there were 1,132,033 apprehensions of illegal immigrants across the United States—and close to half of those apprehensions were in San Diego.”

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
13.2.5  charger 383  replied to  Tessylo @13.2.3    5 years ago

feral cats and people that act like them can cause many problems

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
13.2.6  Sparty On  replied to  charger 383 @13.2.5    5 years ago

No worries.   Feral cats haven't figured out how to operate door knobs as of yet.

Worry if they ever develop opposable thumbs ..... worry a lot if that ever happens ..... jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @13.2.4    5 years ago

Go grab your guns pastor and defend the border.  Please!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.2.8  Tessylo  replied to  charger 383 @13.2.5    5 years ago

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katrix
Sophomore Participates
13.2.9  katrix  replied to  Sparty On @13.2.6    5 years ago
Feral cats haven't figured out how to operate door knobs as of yet

I have a cat who reaches up with both paws and tries to turn the doorknob.  I will never be able to switch to the lever type of doorknob.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
13.2.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  katrix @13.2.9    5 years ago

Your cat doesn't need opposable thumbs....she has a brain

 
 
 
katrix
Sophomore Participates
13.2.11  katrix  replied to  Trout Giggles @13.2.10    5 years ago

She definitely has a brain - if she had opposable thumbs as well, I would be in huge trouble.

Now to get her to understand that when Daylight Savings Time ends, I get to sleep an hour later - and she eats an hour later.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
13.2.12  Sparty On  replied to  katrix @13.2.9    5 years ago

There is no try ..... only do

 - Yoda

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
13.2.13  Raven Wing  replied to  Sparty On @13.2.12    5 years ago
There is no try ..... only do  - Yoda

And my Yoda Girl kitty enforces that opinion here in her home, which she is kind enough to allow me to share with her. jrSmiley_12_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.2.15  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @13.2.7    5 years ago

Because that is what jesus would do right?  Shoot the feral cats and vermin who dare to want a better life?  Right pastor?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
13.2.16  Sparty On  replied to  Raven Wing @13.2.13    5 years ago

Lol, i've only met one cat i didn't like.   Crazy vicious Siamese job of a HS girlfriend.  

That cat was the definition of batshit crazy

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.2.17  Tessylo  replied to  katrix @13.2.9    5 years ago

Do you get it?   A certain poster likes to refer to immigrants as feral cats.  Another poster refers to them as vermin.

A certain poster is agreeing with them

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
13.2.18  Sparty On  replied to  Kathleen @13.2.14    5 years ago

I had one that i had to shut every door you went into if you didn't want her in there with you.   She followed you everywhere so she could pretend she wasn't interested and faux ignore you.   Had to shut my bedroom door because she liked to sleep on faces, after you went to sleep.   Couldn't just snuggle up, had to lay on your face that one ....

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
13.2.20  Dulay  replied to  livefreeordie @13.2.4    5 years ago
San Diego Border Fence works to stop illegals

So that's one more against a WALL. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
13.3  Texan1211  replied to  charger 383 @13    5 years ago

it is rather silly to believe that we shouldn't have control of who enters our country and when they enter or leave, isn't it?

Talk about short-sighted!

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
13.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  charger 383 @13    5 years ago
lmost Americans have doors and locks on their homes, the country should have the same  

you do realize, a determined individual, can always find a way in. Walls and lox, are for honest Jewish people

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
13.4.1  charger 383  replied to  igknorantzrulz @13.4    5 years ago

breaking and entering is a crime.  Physical security is first line of defense 

Smart people don't make it easy for criminals to pry on them

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
13.4.2  livefreeordie  replied to  igknorantzrulz @13.4    5 years ago

That’s why we are armed against criminals breaking in to our homes and tyrannical government 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.4.3  Tessylo  replied to  charger 383 @13.4.1    5 years ago
'Smart people don't make it easy for criminals to pry on them'

So Rump and his supporters shouldn't have any problems should they?

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
13.5  cjcold  replied to  charger 383 @13    5 years ago

Yep just wrap every border and every beach in concrete, concertina wire, and armed drones. Can't be too safe from 'the other'.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
14  charger 383    5 years ago

The is a fence around the US Capital building

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
14.1  Dulay  replied to  charger 383 @14    5 years ago
The is a fence around the US Capital building

The is NOT. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
16  devangelical    5 years ago

oh goody, another prime time fact free partisan tirade from the lying POS/POTUS

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
16.1  cjcold  replied to  devangelical @16    5 years ago

I bought popcorn and beer earlier and am just giddy with anticipation of him telling the same lies over and over and over......

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
17  livefreeordie    5 years ago

Let American ranchers on the border speak to the reality of these invaders

 
 
 
JumpDrive
Freshman Silent
17.1  JumpDrive  replied to  livefreeordie @17    5 years ago
Let American ranchers on the border speak to the reality of these invaders

A quote from your link:

"Ranchers down here will tell you they despised the Obama administration, and helped vote Donald Trump into the White House.

Yet a funny thing happens when you ask them about the president’s famous promise of a “tall, powerful, beautiful” border wall.

Almost unanimously, they think it’s bad idea."

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
17.1.1  livefreeordie  replied to  JumpDrive @17.1    5 years ago

I posted ranchers who support the wall. It’s a leftist myth that ranchers want illegals to continue stealing from them, and destroying their property.   They sure hate seeing armed coyotes and other smugglers on their property. Most ranchers support the wall.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
17.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  livefreeordie @17.1.1    5 years ago
Most ranchers support the wall.

In your own link, as Jumpdrive pointed out, the ranchers "almost unanimously think it's a bad idea". That is the exact opposite of your claim that "most ranchers support the wall".

"Almost unanimously, they think it’s bad idea."

Ladd, a cowboy who looks like the Marlboro man and runs cattle along 10 miles of border in Cochise County: “Enforce our immigration laws first. Put Border Patrol agents in sight of one another (along the international line). If you have line of sight, you don’t need a wall.”

Manuel Solomon, a 71-year-old caballero, who has just finished castrating and branding calves near Rio Rico: “It won’t really matter. They (immigrants) will still come here. They’ll still climb it or go around it to find jobs.”

Noon, who works a couple cow-calf operations outside Nogales: “A wall is a wall. It’s going to stop some traffic, but they’ll find a way around it. … In the long term? It’s a major waste of money. And it’s kind of ludicrous to think Mexicans will pay for it.”

That's from YOUR OWN LINK. You might want to read it before you link it if you think it's going to support your obviously unfounded opinion.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
17.1.3  cjcold  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @17.1.2    5 years ago

Sounds like smart folk who deal in reality. Surviving the desert tends to lead to pragmatism.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
17.2  Split Personality  replied to  livefreeordie @17    5 years ago

good article, but as they say in the article.

“The wall without the agents won’t do anything,” Magoffin says. “If you tell me, ‘Everything you want is on the other side of the wall and I won’t look,’ I’m going over that wall.”

Ladd concedes that today’s rancher outrage is aimed mostly at how things used to be, not how they are.

Ladd has not seen migrants on the property since Christmas. No smugglers’ vehicles have come through in 18 months.

In fact, illegal immigration has been plummeting for years. Border Patrol data show 54,891 people were apprehended in southern Arizona’s Tucson Sector in 2016 — about one-tenth the number captured in 2000.

An even sharper decline this year has been attributed, at least in part, to prospective immigrant fears after President Donald Trump took office and signed executive orders to start planning for the wall. Overall apprehensions dropped by two-thirds in April.

Drive the border anywhere in this region and the story is the same. Rancher frustration is still real, palpable, even now that few crossers are around to be seen.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
17.3  Dulay  replied to  livefreeordie @17    5 years ago
Let American ranchers on the border speak to the reality of these invaders

Sure:

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Quiet
19  lady in black    5 years ago

I hope Trump declares a national emergency tonight. Then the next Democratic president can immediately do three things without congressional approval:

  1. Declare a health care emergency and immediately implement a single payer system.
  2. Declare a Global Warming emergency and immediately implement a carbon tax.
  3. Declare a gun violence emergency and immediately ban all guns sales, or even ban guns period.
 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
19.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  lady in black @19    5 years ago
immediately ban all guns sales, or even ban guns period

I know you're being facetious with that one, but try not to give the poorly educated rubes any more misinformation, they don't understand sarcasm. Virtually the only ones claiming that the "left" want to ban all guns are the right wing nut jobs creating a straw man for their inept morons to attack.

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Quiet
19.1.1  lady in black  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @19.1    5 years ago

Thank you for recognizing my sarcasm, I know too many won't get it.

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
19.2  lennylynx  replied to  lady in black @19    5 years ago

Fire up the black helicopters!! jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Quiet
19.2.1  lady in black  replied to  lennylynx @19.2    5 years ago

And I'm going to do a quit claim deed on the white house and throw the orange shit stain out on his ass.....jrSmiley_36_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
20  devangelical    5 years ago
".... raped, murdered, and beaten to death with a hammer."

trump is a fucking moron. thankfully his speech only lasted 10 minutes.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
21  sandy-2021492    5 years ago

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