Americans aren't making enough babies to replace ourselves

  
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Americans aren't making enough babies to replace ourselves
Government researchers did not offer an explanation, but experts cited factors including changing economics and fewer teen pregnancies.

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By Linda Carroll and Shamard Charles, M.D.

Americans are having fewer and fewer babies, a new government report finds. In fact, we now aren’t making enough babies to replace ourselves.

For the population to reproduce itself at current numbers, the “total fertility rate” needs to be 2,100 births per 1,000 women of childbearing age per year, researchers for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in their report, released early Thursday. But the latest data show a current rate of just 1,765.5 per 1,000, or 16 percent below the number needed to keep the population stable without additions through immigration.

The total fertility rate has been declining steadily for seven years, but the numbers for 2017 represent the biggest drop in recent history. The rate for 2016 was 1,820.5; for 2015, 1,843.5; and for 2014, 1,862.5.

The CDC offered no explanation for why the American fertility rate is dropping so precipitously.

Experts say the decline isn’t due to a single cause, but rather a combination of several factors, including changing economics, delays in childbirth by women pursuing jobs and education, the greater availability of contraception, and a decline in teen pregnancies.

The trend seen in the United States is also seen in much of the developed world, including Western Europe, said Dr. John Rowe, a professor at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. One important factor driving this is the changing roles of women in society, Rowe said.

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“In general women are getting married later in life,” he explained. “They are leaving the home and launching their families later.”

But there’s no guarantee that things will work out as planned.

While some of these women may eventually have two or more babies, others may hit a fertility wall, said Dr. Helen Kim, an associate professor at Northwestern University’s Feinberg School of Medicine.

“I think as women delay childbearing they may not realize that fertility declines with age and that there are limits to what fertility treatments can do for them,” Kim told NBC News on Wednesday. Although there are reports of increased birth rates among older women, “that may not be enough to make up for the decline" in births among younger women.

Moreover, Kim said, the concept of the ideal family size may be changing. “There are shifts where having smaller families is a trend,” she added. “I can’t speak on this as a sociologist, but this is what I’ve seen among my peers and colleagues.”

One of the biggest factors is the decline in teen pregnancies, Rowe said. “We’ve been seeing, year after year, a precipitous drop in the number of births to teenage girls,” he added. “That’s good news. Not only are these children not having children, but they’re also getting a chance to finish high school. And that makes a huge difference to their lives.”

Rowe credits the growth of sex education in the schools for that big drop in teen pregnancies.

Some suspect that the downward trend may peter out or even reverse itself. “It may not be all doom and gloom,” said Donna Strobino, a professor at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. “I think it may stabilize once women who have been postponing pregnancy have the births they are planning to have."

And while women’s fertility takes a hit with age, younger women have an option that wasn’t available until fairly recently: egg freezing.

In vitro fertilization "is becoming more and more popular,” said Dr. James Grifo, program director for the NYU Langone Fertility Center. And “more young women are choosing to freeze their eggs to protect themselves in the future.”

The new report didn’t just look at the nation as a whole. It also broke down total fertility rates by state, which ranged from a high of 2,227 in South Dakota to a low of 1,421 in Washington, D.C.

Part of that variation may be related to the passage of the Affordable Care Act, Strobino said. “Some states did not select to expand Medicaid,” she explained. “And that would have impacted access to family planning services.”

Another possible explanation for the variation may be that women with more education tend to live in particular states, Strobino said. Washington, for example, tends to attract more educated women “because of the job market,” she said.

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.    4 months ago

Lots of both good and bad news here. Pick a topic and go with it. 

 
 
 
epistte
1.1  epistte  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    4 months ago

The economy is too unstable for people of childbearing age and they have too many bills to afford to have children.  How can you think of bringing a child into the world when you have trouble keeping a roof over your head and paying your car and college loans. People need to know that they will have a job to pay the bills before they can think of having kids.

 
 
 
zuksam
1.1.1  zuksam  replied to  epistte @1.1    4 months ago
People need to know that they will have a job to pay the bills before they can think of having kids.

That's why the Smart People aren't having children or if they do it's just one child. The Stupid People are still breeding like crazy though or at least enough to replace themselves.

 
 
 
MUVA
1.1.2  MUVA  replied to  epistte @1.1    4 months ago

That would be nice if true but in this country the less you make it's the more kids people have. 

 
 
 
MUVA
1.1.3  MUVA  replied to  zuksam @1.1.1    4 months ago

we had the same thought 

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  zuksam @1.1.1    4 months ago

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Tessylo
1.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @1.1.3    4 months ago

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katrix
1.1.6  katrix  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.4    4 months ago

Well, he has a point.  Look at the Duggars.  Religious fanatics ARE still breeding like crazy.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.1.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.5    4 months ago

Ever see the movie "Idiocracy"?

It's pretty much what zuksam is saying. The smart people didn't have enough babies and the dumb people who home schooled their kids took over the country

 
 
 
katrix
1.1.8  katrix  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.7    4 months ago

Where I live, it's definitely the "stupider" people who have the most babies, and they have them young - making it exceedingly difficult to get a decent education or to break the cycle of poverty.

Nobody should be having unplanned babies unless their birth control fails.  It's the biggest decision most people will ever make in their lives, and so many treat it as "hey, whatever happens" instead of actively making a decision whether or not to have children.

With the attacks on PP, I fear we're going to see an increase in teen births again.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.9  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  katrix @1.1.8    4 months ago
Where I live, it's definitely the "stupider" people who have the most babies, and they have them young - making it exceedingly difficult to get a decent education or to break the cycle of poverty.

There is an old English saying that goes, "The rich get richer and the poor have children", so I guess there is truth to this. 

With the attacks on PP, I fear we're going to see an increase in teen births again.

While I am not pleased with the attacks on PP, the articles good news was that the article says:

Rowe credits the growth of sex education in the schools for that big drop in teen pregnancies.

That made me smile. I was a sex ed teacher and it's good to know that what we taught made a difference. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.1.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.9    4 months ago
I was a sex ed teacher and it's good to know that what we taught made a difference. 

It's good to have comprehensive sex ed in public schools. Unfortunately here in the Bible Belt people don't want their little darlings to learn anything about sex except just say no.

That doesn't work....

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.7    4 months ago

A country over run by breeding mares like the Duggars?  Yikes.  That is what they envision in their cult - quiverful.  Fill the quiver with God's arrows - kids.  

 
 
 
charger 383
1.1.12  charger 383  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.11    4 months ago
breeding mares like the Duggars?  Yikes

just as bad as feral cats

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.1.13  livefreeordie  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.10    4 months ago

Sex education is the responsibility of parents not schools.  I never took it and opted out my children because it’s our responsibility to teach them with the proper Christian morals

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.1.14  Trout Giggles  replied to  livefreeordie @1.1.13    4 months ago

I've asked you to stop replying to me.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @1.1.13    4 months ago

A lot of parents do not explain sex education to their children appropriately because they're embarrassed.  It needs to be taught in school, not to just say no.  

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Tessylo
1.1.16  Tessylo  replied to  charger 383 @1.1.12    4 months ago

It's not funny charger.  I know you like to compare immigrants to feral cats and another poster likes to refer to them as vermin.  One poster on this seed refers to them as disease ridden.  

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.1.17  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.15    4 months ago

I taught them that sex in marriage is a gift from God and as the Bible says, the marriage bed is honorable. That God intended sex within a marriage of a man and a woman to be equally pleasurable for both.  

That sex outside of marriage makes you in a state of defilement with God

that birth control in a marriage is acceptable

my sons waited until they married for sex.  One did not marry until age 34 and told me that he was so glad that he waited as had his wife who was 32

BTW, I am a grandfather with 5 grandchildren. My youngest son is about to turn 45

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.18  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.15    4 months ago
It needs to be taught in school

The ONLY thing that needs to be taught in school are the 3 R's.

Ever wonder why this country lags behind in actual "Education" ?

Teaching "Feelings" doesn't further actual knowledge !

"Liberal Arts" isn't very lucrative in this day and age.....unless your a "politician" MAJOR !

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.19  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @1.1.17    4 months ago

To each their own.

Many have sex outside of marriage because it's pleasurable and will continue to do so.  

 
 
 
katrix
1.1.20  katrix  replied to  livefreeordie @1.1.17    4 months ago

Sex is awesome and fun, marriage or not.  Especially kinky sex.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.1.21  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.19    4 months ago

And as a Christian I respect their right to do so. But all must bear the consequences of their decisions 

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.22  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @1.1.21    4 months ago

What consequences?  Forced childbirth?

 
 
 
charger 383
1.1.23  charger 383  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.16    4 months ago

     "compare immigrants to feral cats" 

So what you call Breeding mares is bad and what I call feral cats are good?

I think both are big problems that are not needed

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1.24  Gordy327  replied to  livefreeordie @1.1.21    4 months ago

What consequences?  Marriage does not change any "consequence" of sexual activity.

 
 
 
katrix
1.1.25  katrix  replied to  Gordy327 @1.1.24    4 months ago

To religious fanatics, sex is basically bad.  It's that whole original sin thing, you know - if we were like Adam and Eve, we wouldn't have sex.  Which is ridiculous - Adam and Eve are shown with fig leaves over their genitalia, so obviously they were created with them in place.  Why do these people think their god would create people with parts he never expected them to be able to use? 

 
 
 
Veronica
1.1.26  Veronica  replied to  katrix @1.1.25    4 months ago
people with parts he never expected them to be able to use? 

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Tessylo
1.1.27  Tessylo  replied to  charger 383 @1.1.23    4 months ago

They're nothing but broodmares so I am correct, not bad.  

 
 
 
devangelical
1.1.28  devangelical  replied to  livefreeordie @1.1.13    4 months ago
it’s our responsibility to teach them with the proper Christian morals

... in the church basement. what could go wrong.

 
 
 
charger 383
1.1.29  charger 383  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.27    4 months ago

    "They're nothing but broodmares"

If it is OK for you to call US Citizens broodmares then it is also OK for me to call illegal immigrants feral cats 

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.30  Tessylo  replied to  charger 383 @1.1.29    4 months ago

Whatever makes you happy.  

 
 
 
Enoch
1.1.31  Enoch  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.7    4 months ago

Dear Friend Trout Giggles: I saw and love the movie, Idiocracy. 

Not only is it hilarious, it has "Electrolytes"!

Enoch, Out Salting My Yards in Advance of the Spring Planting Season.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.1.32  Trout Giggles  replied to  Enoch @1.1.31    4 months ago

LOL!!!! That scene cracked me up so much because it was just so ludicrous

 
 
 
epistte
1.1.33  epistte  replied to  zuksam @1.1.1    4 months ago
That's why the Smart People aren't having children or if they do it's just one child. The Stupid People are still breeding like crazy though or at least enough to replace themselves.

That is the problem that needs to be addressed by both economic stability to create a generationally stable larger middle class and both free birth control and explicit sex education.  The children of those poor/uneducated parents deserve a chance to be educated so the situation doesn't propagate itself into the next generation. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1.34  Vic Eldred  replied to  epistte @1.1    4 months ago

So true.....That's why we had a baby boom back when everything WAS so affordable. However, there is the immigration from the third world which is taking place world wide. It is the newcomers who will eventually inherit the 1st world. Let us hope they can aspire to the great cultures & civilizations that they will inherit.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.35  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  livefreeordie @1.1.13    4 months ago

What do you think we taught them? Abstance for one. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
1.1.36  Thrawn 31  replied to  zuksam @1.1.1    4 months ago

Idiocracy nailed it IMO, on multiple predictions. 

 
 
 
WallyW
1.2  WallyW  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    4 months ago

These days, many more women realize and relish the idea that they don't have to have kids in order to live fulfilling and happy lives. Why anyone would want to bring any more children into this troubled world is beyond me.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.2.1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  WallyW @1.2    4 months ago

I am a bit more optimistic about our world. I think that every generation thought that the world was troubled. But it is a good idea not to have more children than you can afford. 

 
 
 
epistte
1.2.2  epistte  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2.1    4 months ago
I am a bit more optimistic about our world. I think that every generation thought that the world was troubled. But it is a good idea not to have more children than you can afford. 

How do you have kids when college loans last longer than a mortgage?

 
 
 
MUVA
1.2.3  MUVA  replied to  epistte @1.2.2    4 months ago

Not if you plan.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
1.2.4  Thrawn 31  replied to  MUVA @1.2.3    4 months ago

How exactly are you supposed to plan? Most people aren't making $200,000 a year as a child like our dip shit president was. If you want a good job a degree is almost a requirement, for the vast majority of people, the only way to get that degree for most people is to take out loans. There isn't anything that "planning" will change.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  MUVA @1.2.3    4 months ago
Not if you plan.

Oh, God, not the dreaded "personal responsibility" thing again?

Some people simply want things handed to them--they don't want to put in the time or work or sacrifice.

My oldest grandson graduated 6 years ago and has paid off his student loans, paid cash for a new car, and bought a house.

of course, he PLANNED things out and stuck with the plan and didn't buy every new gadget that comes out.

 
 
 
epistte
1.2.6  epistte  replied to  MUVA @1.2.3    4 months ago
Not if you plan.

I worked in college but there is no way to earn enough and pay for the current cost of college. My daughter went to college on scholarship and she was left with $30K in college loans after graduating with a 3.85 GPA.

 
 
 
charger 383
1.2.7  charger 383  replied to  epistte @1.2.6    4 months ago

Long time ago, when I went to college I worked summers in a Union factory with lots of overtime and at a truckstop during school, those jobs are long gone and school was much cheaper

 
 
 
Ender
2  Ender    4 months ago

I think it is just some people don't want kids. I know a lot of people my age that don't. My cousin didn't have any yet adopted his.

It use to be pushed on people that one had to bow to societal norms. One was supposed to marry and have kids. If one didn't they were considered odd.

Not so much anymore.

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1  MUVA  replied to  Ender @2    4 months ago

Some people just wanted children like my wife and I we didn't bow to anyone or anything we just wanted kids.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3  Buzz of the Orient    4 months ago

It seems that Scrooge is getting his wish, a reduction in the "excess population".  Could it be that Nature seeks a balance, in that it becomes concerned about overpopulation?  Anyway, at least China isn't alone in facing the consequences of eventually having to support an increasing aging population with less working-age taxpayers. Bah, Humbug.

 
 
 
zuksam
3.1  zuksam  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    4 months ago

It's a different world than it was 40-50 years ago. The biggest thing is the cost of housing compared to back then. In the 60's you could work a factory job and if you were frugal you could own a nice house and your wife didn't have to work. You had good medical insurance from work and you didn't worry about retirement because you had a pension. As long as you got up every morning and went to work you were set, or at least that's what most People believed. Under those circumstances why not have three or four kids. Today if you're smart you hold off hoping to get yourself in a good financial position but uncertain job market, high cost of living, crappy insurance coverage, lack of pensions, and high divorce rates make people a lot less confident about their future. We've all seen friends lose a good job with benefits and end up with two or three part time jobs with no benefits, we've seen them lose houses and cars. The Young People grew up with that around them even if it didn't happen to their family. Uncertainty about the future. Both Parents working and even a College degree isn't enough to make you solidly middle class these days.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  zuksam @3.1    4 months ago

I have to agree with you zuksam. Life is not what it used to be. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.1.2  Kathleen  replied to  zuksam @3.1    4 months ago

You are absolutely right.

Times have changed, I know most people cannot retire and have to keep working. Now that my daughter is in college, my husband and I are going to downsize and move to a smaller house. It will be better all the way around. It's very hard nowadays to save any money. Kids are expensive, I wonder how people can afford having more then 2 children these days.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  zuksam @3.1    4 months ago

Yes, zuksam, you are perfectly right.

"Beam me BACK, Scotty"

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
3.1.4  Thrawn 31  replied to  zuksam @3.1    4 months ago

Good take. Life is very uncertain these days and because of that people having fewer children and having them later in life. Well, smart people. The dumbest of us a breeding like fucking rabbits. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
3.1.5  Thrawn 31  replied to  Kathleen @3.1.2    4 months ago

My wife and I have two. I want a third but she isn't so sure. Anyhow, daycare/preschool alone costs us about $1000 a month, and then when you add on food costs, clothes etc. they eat up a substantial chunk of our monthly income. Luckily for us I made some wise financial decisions during the recession and as such we don't have to worry about retirement any longer, and with our jobs we make more than enough to cover the monthly bills and have disposable income, but most aren't that lucky. And that is just the financial aspect of having kids, the lifestyle aspect changes significantly as well. All of a sudden vacations need to be planned months in advance if you take them at all, you can't go out anymore, when you get off work and go home you work even harder, and of course someone always needs something or is getting hurt. Having kids is tough all the way around, I really don't blame people for wanting fewer or none at all.

 
 
 
Kavika
4  Kavika     4 months ago

This situation is prevalent in many countries. Japan being one that really being affected by it. In fact for the past 4 years their population has been declining.  Germany and other countries in western Europe are in the same bind. Germany has the lowest birth rate in the world. 

So the problem isn't only the US but numerous countries around the world. 

Birth rates by race/ethnicity in the US. American Indians have the highest followed by Hispanic, Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islanders, Asian and white. 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/241514/birth-rate-by-ethnic-group-of-mother-in-the-us/

Cost of having a child today, better opportunities for women (jobs), education and simply couples feeling that they do not have to have children (social pressure) are, IMO, some of the main reasons for the lower birth rate. 

  

 
 
 
Kavika
4.1  Kavika   replied to  Kavika @4    4 months ago

Sorry, Blacks are right behind Hispanics in the birth rate. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.2  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Kavika @4    4 months ago
Cost of having a child today, better opportunities for women (jobs), education and simply couples feeling that they do not have to have children (social pressure) are, IMO, some of the main reasons for the lower birth rate. 

I think it's that and also what zuksam said @3.1. Job expectations are not what they used to be. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
4.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  Kavika @4    4 months ago

This really is a phenomenon only being seen in developed nations, China is going to run into it hard but that was self-inflicted. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5  sandy-2021492    4 months ago

Childbearing isn't especially well supported in the US.  Little to no maternity leave, difficulty finding good child care, cost of that child care - it all makes having a child and having a career a difficult prospect.

 
 
 
MUVA
5.1  MUVA  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5    4 months ago

How did everyone mange without the freebie's in years past?

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @5.1    4 months ago

How did you manage?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  MUVA @5.1    4 months ago

Fewer women worked outside the home.

I wasn't aware that child care is a freebie.  The fact that I mentioned the cost would indicate to most that it isn't .

 
 
 
MUVA
5.1.3  MUVA  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.2    4 months ago

By your comment you would assume that you think it should be supported by the government.

 
 
 
MUVA
5.1.4  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.1    4 months ago

My wife stayed home and I worked 3 jobs when our twins were young to make enough to afford the care they needed.We also saved and paid cash when all our kids were born.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.5  sandy-2021492  replied to  MUVA @5.1.3    4 months ago

You're reading statements I didn't type.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @5.1.4    4 months ago

Good for you.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  MUVA @5.1.4    4 months ago

That was back in the old days. Today both partners have to work just to afford a decent place to live.

Both of my kids are holding off on having children and I can't blame them. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if they never had children

 
 
 
Veronica
5.1.8  Veronica  replied to  MUVA @5.1.4    4 months ago

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Willjay9
5.1.9  Willjay9  replied to  MUVA @5.1    4 months ago

What? You mean back in the 1800's?

 
 
 
Willjay9
5.1.10  Willjay9  replied to  MUVA @5.1.4    4 months ago

Care to say when that was?

 
 
 
epistte
5.1.11  epistte  replied to  MUVA @5.1    4 months ago
How did everyone mange without the freebie's in years past?

Wages were higher so a family could be supported in a reasonable fashion by one person's salary.

 
 
 
MUVA
5.1.12  MUVA  replied to  Willjay9 @5.1.10    4 months ago

Early 90's my two youngest boys are finishing college this year and one in med school he is becoming a PA.

 
 
 
MUVA
5.1.13  MUVA  replied to  epistte @5.1.11    4 months ago

I got up for about 3 am for 4 years  to clean two restaurants had a full time job and worked as a bouncer on the weekend nights and in the summer that's how. 

 
 
 
MUVA
5.1.14  MUVA  replied to  Veronica @5.1.8    4 months ago

No I spent quality time with them we traveled for soccer all over the country.

 
 
 
Veronica
5.1.15  Veronica  replied to  MUVA @5.1.14    4 months ago

Well that is good then, but let me ask you this:  What would you have done if your wife told she wanted to work and not stay home with the kids?  That she wanted to do more with her life?

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
5.1.16  Thrawn 31  replied to  MUVA @5.1    4 months ago

More secure employment, better pay, better benefits etc. I assume you are talking about the early and mid 20th century btw. Of course before that society was far more agrarian and people tended to provide vastly more of their own resources (and because of that they needed large families for labor). Times have changed drastically over the last 40 or so years. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
5.1.17  Thrawn 31  replied to  Veronica @5.1.15    4 months ago

And that is the kicker right there. There is no way in hell my wife would be a stay at home mom, because she flat out doesn't want that to be her life. She loves her job and she is damn good at it. Because of that we have to pay for child care 5 days a week, which is currently running about $1000 a month. Not many people are able to have one parent stay at home all the time these days.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.2  Sparty On  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5    4 months ago

People are still free to do as they please.   Women even more so that years past.   And that's a good thing but no one is forcing them to do anything.  

If people didn't chase the consumerism that gets pushed by society so hard, one person can still work and make ends meet.   BUT ...... you may not be able to live in a mansion in teh posh neighborhood.   Not every kid may get the latest iPhone each year with unlimited data plan, not every kid needs a flat screen TV in their own room with a premium cable plan.   Not every kid needs their own car when they reach legal age.   You don't have to eat out so much.    A family vacation to Disneyland every year isn't mandatory.   Not every kid will get a college education paid for by their parents.   Day care isn't needed because one parent stays home, etc, etc ....

Yeah, the one working parent can't work a starter job like flipping burgers at MacDonald's but with a little incentive and hard work they can do what my father did when he got out of the Marines.   Previously a farmer, he learned a good paying trade and worked hard to raise his family.   We struggled to make ends meet at sometimes but we never went hungry, always had a roof over our heads and we were happy.   We never really wanted for anything that was absolutely necessary.   Happier i would say than many rich families i knew growing up.   Later my family did have it easier because of the hard work ethic initiated primarily by my parents and carried on by us kids.  

It can still be done and still is done.   People still have a choice.    But choices have to made and its not a cakewalk.   Never was really.

That said, i personally think many folks are waiting to have kids these days because of the cynicism they are constantly bombarded with by the media these days.   I mean .... who wants to bring a new life into a world like that right? 

 
 
 
katrix
5.2.1  katrix  replied to  Sparty On @5.2    4 months ago
I mean .... who wants to bring a new life into a world like that right? 

That could be said of most times throughout history.  Famines, plagues, droughts, wars ... I don't think there have been too many times when parents weren't bringing their kids into a scary world in one part of the world or another.

With climate change (not trying to start an argument over whether humans cause it; but we know the Earth is still warming after the last Ice Age), I'm glad I don't have kids or, particularly, grandkids.  I can't imagine the wars that will break out as the lower lying areas get flooded out and there is a mass migration of humans all over.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.2.2  Sparty On  replied to  katrix @5.2.1    4 months ago
That could be said of most times throughout history.

I disagree.   The proliferation of information has made the world a much smaller place.   People today are bombarded by it at unprecedented levels.

Its changed everything in that regard.

I grew up in a pretty hopeless time by todays standards.   A VERY cold war threatened nuclear annihilation, aerosol cooling was predicting the next ice age, JFK was assassinated, MLK was assassinated, Vietnam War, etc, etc and yet i never recall feeling the hopelessness that seems to be following current generations.   I attribute that attitude largely to the much large dose of information they get hit with than we did.

I don't blame them really.   If we were bombarded by one tenth the crap they get hit with these days we would have been more cynical as well

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.2.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  Sparty On @5.2    4 months ago
People are still free to do as they please.

Yes, they are.  And it seems that many of them are choosing to have fewer children.

If people didn't chase the consumerism

It's not just consumerism.  Many women prefer to work outside the home.  They are not happy being stay-at-home moms, and many are their families' primary breadwinners.  When I was married, I was the primary breadwinner.  It would have been foolish for me to have given up my career.  Women are also well aware of the risks to their own financial futures from not working - they are at the financial mercy of men who may or may not be there for life.

And no, one income isn't always enough, and wasn't always enough.  My dad had a good job when I was growing up.  And then the aluminum industry suffered, and he was laid off.  The only jobs left in our area were minimum wage, and you can't raise 3 kids and pay a mortgage on one minimum wage job.  Mom had to go back to work.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.2.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.2.3    4 months ago

My mother would have liked to work, but her health precluded that. She was never happy with staying at home. My dad was fortunate that the coal mines were still working well when I was growing up, but by the mid-80's he had to go to West Virginia to get enough hours for retirement.

I never could have stayed at home raising children. Even my kids will tell you they were happy I worked, and it wasn't so they could have the latest Iphone or a car when they started driving. It was because it made me a better mother.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.2.5  Sparty On  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.2.3    4 months ago
It's not just consumerism.

I disagree.   Its the single biggest component of the problem IMO.   We all would have liked "better stuff" but choices have to be made for family fiscal health reasons.   That doesn't happen so much today.   Look no further than the credit crisis today.   People are spending money they don't have and from what i've seen its usually not on necessities.

We have one example of that in my family.   Between the two of them working they make significantly more money than the rest of us and yet they are still in hock up to their necks.   Why?   They piss their money away on unnecessary things.   But hey, they all have the latest tech, news cars and biggest house, etc ....... all of it underwater ......

No thanks and not my problem ...

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.2.6  sandy-2021492  replied to  Sparty On @5.2.5    4 months ago
I disagree.

Ok.  Most women I know aren't interested in staying home, so they don't.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.2.7  sandy-2021492  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2.4    4 months ago
I never could have stayed at home raising children.

Me, neither.  I'm not especially domestic.  I took 6 weeks off after having my son, and the isolation and drudgery were awful.  No, thanks.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.2.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.2.6    4 months ago

Women for the most part don't want to stay home. They're getting educated and want to make their own money not pander to a man for it.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.2.9  Sparty On  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.2.6    4 months ago

No problem.   As previously noted i fully support that as an option for anyone.

My only point was there is a choice.  

Perhaps not the most popular one for some but a choice just the same.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.2.10  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2.8    4 months ago

My mom taught me a very good lesson, she said to never depend on anyone to pay the bills.  I am independent and happy that way.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.2.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.10    4 months ago

My mom AND dad both taught me that. Education was a big thing to my father. Since my mom couldn't work, my dad made sure she would always be taken care of.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.2.12  livefreeordie  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2.8    4 months ago

That for me is part of the breakdown of family values and consistent with Marx’s goal of destroying the nuclear family and women in the home

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.2.13  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @5.2.2    4 months ago

I gotta disagree with that. I remember watching the news when I was a kid, and back in the day, they didn't filter the ugliness of war. We got a daily body count from Vietnam and saw the body bags and injuries. I remember thinking that there would never be a time without war. Then we went straight into the arms raise during the Reagen years and I was pretty sure that was how the world was going to end. Two horrific TV series were made "The Day After" and the even more horrific "Threads" that showed what a post nuclear war would look like. 

People felt hopeless back then, too. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.2.14  sandy-2021492  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.12    4 months ago
women in the home

Why should anyone but women decide whether they stay home?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.2.15  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.12    4 months ago

I think you should read zuskam's comment here: 3.1

This has nada to do with Marxism. This has to do with economics. You don't get the job security that you used to get, and you don't get the benefits either. People are treated as if they are disposable. How about fixing that first?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.2.16  livefreeordie  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.2.14    4 months ago

It should be a mutual decision if you really honor a marriage partnership. My wife stayed home until the kids were 8n high school and then went out to get a career.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.2.18  livefreeordie  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.15    4 months ago

I disagree. My oldest son and his wife made the mutual decision for her to be a stay at home when they had their first child 12 years ago.  She gave up a 6 figure nursing career and they trusted God for their economic well being.  It took some years but my son is now an executive with a fortune 100 company and they have made up the income loss and I have two of the best grandchildren anyone could hope for.

we believe that when you do what is right in the sight of God, He honors and provides

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.2.19  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.16    4 months ago

I don't disagree that it should be a mutual decision, but for many couples, economics had made the decision for them. Both parents need to work. You can't have latch key kids anymore like I was since you'll get arrested for neglect. Things have really changed in what jobs will give you as part of your package, and there is no job security. Life is just different.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.2.20  sandy-2021492  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.16    4 months ago

So, your comment 5.2.12 isn't implying that women's place is in the home, regardless of the wishes of those women?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.2.21  livefreeordie  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.2.20    4 months ago

No that’s not what I said. It’s a mutual decision and I never implied anything different. I think  You read into my statement what you believed about me.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.2.22  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.18    4 months ago

I'm glad it worked out well for your son and wife. I can tell you personally, that was not the case in my family.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.2.23  livefreeordie  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.19    4 months ago

I still see couples making the stay at home decision and making the sacrifes that go with it. But I believe you should not have children until you are ready to make adult decisions about caring for them and making them your first priority 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.2.24  Trout Giggles  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.12    4 months ago

you agreed to stop replying to me

 
 
 
charger 383
5.2.25  charger 383  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.10    4 months ago

and I agree with you on that

 
 
 
epistte
5.2.26  epistte  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.12    4 months ago
That for me is part of the breakdown of family values and consistent with Marx’s goal of destroying the nuclear family and women in the home

Why should women be limited to working in the home when we are educated or do you oppose higher education for women? 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.2.27  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.23    4 months ago

My parents made us their first priority, but life was not good to them when they were younger. It was hard. I was a latch key kid and my parents were too proud to ask for help.

Life is what happens when you are making other plans. 

 
 
 
MUVA
5.2.28  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.27    4 months ago

My father was in the navy a enlisted man and my mom never worked after my father received his degree in electrical engineering and became a officer it was nice always having mom there.My parents rise us on one salary being cheap my sister and I can only remember going out to dinner with my parents a couple times when we were young.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.2.29  livefreeordie  replied to  epistte @5.2.26    4 months ago

I made no such statement. I said it is a mutual decision of husband and wife

 
 
 
epistte
5.2.30  epistte  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.29    4 months ago
I made no such statement. I said it is a mutual decision of husband and wife

That might be true but only if we look at only one of your replies.  The problem for that claim is that you have made multiple replies in this thread and when those are taken concurrently the situation is very different.  This is your other reply and it changes the situation.  You have also made it very clear in previous threads that you oppose public education.  Your previous support of a minarchist government would eliminate any secular rights for women and without the current form of secular government, the social power would return to the church which has historically been very patriarchal. 

That for me is part of the breakdown of family values and consistent with Marx’s goal of destroying the nuclear family and women in the home.

I'll be damned if religious conservatives are going to turn women into helpless brood mares unable to live independently and forced into marriages that we can not get out of because of a lack of job skills to support ourselves.   I am not a second-class citizen to any guy because of my XX chromosomes and my uterus.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
5.2.31  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sparty On @5.2    4 months ago
I mean .... who wants to bring a new life into a world like that right? 

Actually things are better than they have ever been. Humans have never had it so good, so easy. FFS people living to be over 100 isn't rare any longer. For the most part people do not have to worry about whether or not they will eat that day, the elements aren't an issue. There is no fear of a poor harvest or famine (at least one that is not caused by humans themselves). Getting sick isn't almost a death sentence. As far as wars go, humanity has never been more peaceful.

There has never been a better time to be alive honestly. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
5.2.32  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sparty On @5.2.2    4 months ago
The proliferation of information has made the world a much smaller place.   People today are bombarded by it at unprecedented levels.

That is an issue I will fully agree. The amount of information available, from around the world, at a person's finger tips can be overwhelming. And sadly the shitty things people do are more profitable than the good things people do, thus we are exposed to vastly more shit than cake. When you consider that it is not hard to see why current young people are significantly more cynical than past generations. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
5.2.33  Thrawn 31  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.18    4 months ago
we believe that when you do what is right in the sight of God, He honors and provides

Wait, so in the sight of god women are to be kept in the home? And of course, what about all those devout religious folks who are poor as shit? God just kinda says this?

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Sparty On
5.2.34  Sparty On  replied to  Thrawn 31 @5.2.31    4 months ago
There has never been a better time to be alive honestly. 

I agree but apparently many don't.   Specifically many in younger generations.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.2.35  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.13    4 months ago
People felt hopeless back then, too. 

I'm sure they were but i wasn't.   Not my Uncles/Father who fought in WW-2 and Korea.   Not my other family members who fought in Vietnam and/or protested etc, etc.   Even with all the bad things going on back then i really don't remember being overly cynical like many today are.

I can't really talk about today though.   I'm more cynical right now as well.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
6  Dean Moriarty    4 months ago

This is good news. With the robotic age coming into full swing a reduction in population will benefit all. One of the biggest problems we have is overpopulation. It takes a toll on the environment, the roads with more traffic and reduces the quality of life. With the current welfare state we now have a reduction in population will help to lessen the burden the successful are now stuck carrying on their backs. 

 
 
 
MUVA
6.1  MUVA  replied to  Dean Moriarty @6    4 months ago

Some think we have enough resources to invite the whole of south America to this country. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @6.1    4 months ago

Who?

 
 
 
epistte
6.1.2  epistte  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.1    4 months ago
Who?

I also want to know this answer.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
6.1.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  MUVA @6.1    4 months ago

Someone said that?

 
 
 
96WS6
6.1.4  96WS6  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.1    4 months ago

The open borders crowd.  That's who.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.2  Tessylo  replied to  Dean Moriarty @6    4 months ago

Huh?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
6.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @6.2    4 months ago

For once I think he makes sense. With more and more automation, where are people going to find jobs? Even the service industry is turning towards automation (kiosks in fast food restaurants). I personally would like to see less traffic on the highways

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
7  Trout Giggles    4 months ago

I'm glad to see the decline of teen birth rates.

 
 
 
katrix
7.1  katrix  replied to  Trout Giggles @7    4 months ago

So am I.  Thanks to sex ed and better access to birth control ... although I expect that it's in the backward states where religious fanatics try to block access to those things where there are still a lot of teen births.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
7.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  katrix @7.1    4 months ago

My kids' school taught abstinence only. I supplemented their sex ed with constant lectures.

I'm not a grandparent.....

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.2  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1.1    4 months ago

I was a sex ed teacher, and all we taught was abstinence. I know it took with many of my students. And I have twin 24 year olds, and no grandchildren, which is fine with me. They are working towards their careers, but I know they do want families. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
7.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.2    4 months ago

Now I would have thought that you all up there in the North East would be teaching comprehensive sex ed.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.4  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1.3    4 months ago

Absolutely! The NYC Board of Ed has a multi-discipline approach. I know that a lot of my students went on to good things because they took the course so seriously. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
7.1.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.4    4 months ago

I'm glad they did.

I got sex ed in 10th grade health class. Our school nurse came in to teach it because the regular teacher was uncomfortable with the subject.

God bless Katie Clendenon! She had to be near 80 when she taught the class but she was forthright and objective...and didn't tolerate the snickering from the football players.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
7.1.6  Thrawn 31  replied to  katrix @7.1    4 months ago
although I expect that it's in the backward states where religious fanatics try to block access to those things where there are still a lot of teen births.

It is, the stats show that pretty clearly.

As far as birth control goes, both my daughters are going to be on it, period. My wife and I are both in full agreement on that lol. Unfortunately (or fortunately) they are both super cute, literally to the point of a modeling agency wanting to utilize my oldest when she was a year and a half, so they damn well will be on BC. I'll be pissed if I am a grandfather in my 40s.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
7.1.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  Thrawn 31 @7.1.6    4 months ago

You're a smart man. I put my daughter on BC when she was about 15 because she was having awful periods. But I also knew that I was going to have deal with her dating at some point before she graduated high school. That's why all the lectures.

She laughs about it today

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
8  Hal A. Lujah    4 months ago

Only a fool or a billionaire has more than two kids in this country anymore.  Between college and healthcare, it's untenable anymore.

 
 
 
katrix
8.1  katrix  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8    4 months ago

Not to mention terrible for the world in general.  Overpopulation is a real problem.  The Earth's resources are finite.

 
 
 
It Is ME
9  It Is ME    4 months ago

"Americans are having fewer and fewer babies, a new government report finds. In fact, we now aren’t making enough babies to replace ourselves."

BAN Abortions.....it will pick up !

Weird thought huh ! (Smiley Face)

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @9    4 months ago

I refuse to say what kind of thought that was.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @9.1    4 months ago

Oh ..... just go for it ! (snicker face)

Do you deny it would raise the population need as put forth in the article ?

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.1    4 months ago

OVER POPULATION IS A PROBLEM.  Get it?

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.2    4 months ago
OVER POPULATION IS A PROBLEM.  Get it?

So the article is just Hokum ?

Someone has to pay for the "Needy" when all the actual "payers" pass.....right ?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.1.4  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.3    4 months ago

I don't even understand this discussion. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.5  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1.4    4 months ago

In your "Seed" :
"In fact, we now aren’t making enough babies to replace ourselves."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States

"Between 1970 and 2015, CDC reports nearly 45.7 million legal induced abortions."

45.7 Million persons that could have been contributing to "Society"......  wasted !

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.5    4 months ago
legal

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.7  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.6    4 months ago

I NEVER said anything about "Legal" or "Illegal".

Just noting the Needed (see seed above) "Population" count LOST !

When it comes to Population......"Millions"...is actually a bunch !

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.1.8  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.5    4 months ago

They obviously were not wanted pregnancies and so how well they would have contributed to society, one is not sure of. And considering you are talking about 45 years, that works out to about 1 million potential people a year. That is hardly what we are lagging behind in this current trend. (It predates 1970). 

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.9  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1.8    4 months ago
how well they would have contributed to society, one is not sure of.

Exactly !

One of them could have come up with a cure for cancer for all we know. Even those that make it to "Life"....we don't know what they will do/contribute, but it is a "Body for taxing" anyway.

"And considering you are talking about 45 years, that works out to about 1 million potential people a year."

Stick 1 million more folks in your town and see what effect it has. We only have a bit over 300 million in this country. Every million helps.....wouldn't it ?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
9.1.10  sandy-2021492  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.9    4 months ago
One of them could have come up with a cure for cancer for all we know.

Or been a serial killer.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.1.11  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.9    4 months ago
Stick 1 million more folks in your town and see what effect it has. We only have a bit over 300 million in this country. Every million helps.....wouldn't it ?

First of all, it's not 1 million in a town, but across the country. That is a drop in the bucket. 

And a million unwanted babies is not a help to society. The fact that you seem to ignore is that we have on any given day, over half a million kids in foster care, most of them without forever homes. For most of those kids, this will not work out well. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.12  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1.11    4 months ago
First of all, it's not 1 million in a town, but across the country. That is a drop in the bucket. 

If a few thousand Gun deaths all over the country is made to be a big deal, 1 million lives of available persons a year is NOT a drop in the bucket.....if you get where I'm coming from.

As for foster care children, they are alive and can work when they reach age. Ya never know what they will produce until they become "Workforce" worthy.

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.13  It Is ME  replied to  sandy-2021492 @9.1.10    4 months ago
Or been a serial killer.

Or, Or, Or.…..EVERYTHING !

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.14  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.12    4 months ago
'If a few thousand Gun deaths all over the country is made to be a big deal, 1 million lives of available persons a year is NOT a drop in the bucket.....if you get where I'm coming from.'  
I don't get where you're coming from, I don't think anyone does.  

One gun death is too many.  A gun death is taking away someone who is already LIVING. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.15  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.14    4 months ago
One gun death is too many.

"All Lives Matter" ?

Did you know a fetus is actually living ?

Seems Dead births aren't very good for peoples psyche !

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
9.1.16  Trout Giggles  replied to  sandy-2021492 @9.1.10    4 months ago

A serial killer most likely since if they are unwanted, they aren't going to be raised in loving, nurturing homes.

 
 
 
Gordy327
9.1.17  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.15    4 months ago
Did you know a fetus is actually living ?

So is a bacterium. What's your point?

Seems Dead births aren't very good for peoples psyche !

No doubt many parent get emotional when they experience a stillborn. But what does that have to do with anything?

As for foster care children, they are alive and can work when they reach age. Ya never know what they will produce until they become "Workforce" worthy.

That's assuming they even enter the workforce.

One of them could have come up with a cure for cancer for all we know.

Or become the next Hitler. Is that the kind of argument you want to make?

Stick 1 million more folks in your town and see what effect it has.

Most likely a negative effect.

We only have a bit over 300 million in this country. Every million helps.....wouldn't it?

No. Increasing the population would only eventually make things worse.

BAN Abortions.....it will pick up !

Yeah, to hel! with individual rights! Maybe we should establish a Handmaid's Tale type society now and save us the time later. Right?

 
 
 
MUVA
9.1.18  MUVA  replied to  Gordy327 @9.1.17    4 months ago

You don't think people that have still born babies have any emotion My wife had a miscarriage at about the time she was due I can assure you it effected us and still does.

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.19  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @9.1.18    4 months ago

That's not what he said.  Parents are devastated when their child is stillborn.  

Why do you lie?  

 
 
 
Gordy327
9.1.20  Gordy327  replied to  MUVA @9.1.18    4 months ago
You don't think people that have still born babies have any emotion

That is not what I said. I explicitly stated many parents probably get emotion over such a situation.

My wife had a miscarriage at about the time she was due I can assure you it effected us and still does.

My condolences.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
9.1.21  Thrawn 31  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.9    4 months ago
Stick 1 million more folks in your town and see what effect it has. We only have a bit over 300 million in this country. Every million helps.....wouldn't it ?

Traffic is already bad enough, no thanks.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
9.1.22  Thrawn 31  replied to  MUVA @9.1.18    4 months ago
You don't think people that have still born babies have any emotion 

First, please use proper punctuation. And Secondly Gordy said the exact opposite. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.23  Texan1211  replied to  Thrawn 31 @9.1.22    4 months ago
 First, please use proper punctuation. And Secondly Gordy

Why is "Secondly" capitalized?

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.24  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @9.1.17    4 months ago

"So is a bacterium. What's your point?"

It's living.....Duh !

"No doubt many parent get emotional when they experience a stillborn. But what does that have to do with anything?"

See "It's Living" above ! (Facepalm face)

"That's assuming they even enter the workforce."

"Or become the next Hitler. Is that the kind of argument you want to make?"

ASSuming isn't a good thing.....unless you like ASSuming to make YOUR argument seem "Emotional" ! (Laughing Face)

"Most likely a negative effect."

"No. Increasing the population would only eventually make things worse."

LET ALL THE "ILLEGALS" in....They aren't hurting anything (population overload) huh ! (Rolling Eyes face)

"Yeah, to hel! with individual rights!"

Liberals work on banning what they don't like (guns) ….. right ? (Digging emoji)

 
 
 
Gordy327
9.1.25  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.24    4 months ago
It's living.....Duh !

And...so?

See "It's Living" above !

Again...so?

ASSuming isn't a good thing..

And yet, that's exactly what you did. I simply applied your tactic against you.

LET ALL THE "ILLEGALS" in....They aren't hurting anything (population overload) huh ! (Rolling Eyes face)

Red Herring.The topic Is not about immigration.

Liberals work on banning what they don't like (guns) ….. right ? (Digging emoji)

Strawman argument, especially since nothing has been banned. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.26  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @9.1.25    4 months ago
And yet, that's exactly what you did.
I simply applied your tactic against yo Red Herring.The topic Is not about immigration.
Bodies are Bodies, no matter how you get them. The article is ALL ABOUT THE NEED FOR.....BODIES !
 
 
 
Gordy327
9.1.27  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.26    4 months ago
The article is ALL ABOUT THE NEED FOR.....BODIES !

Read it again. The article is all about the declining birthrate. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.28  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @9.1.27    4 months ago
Read it again. The article is all about the declining birthrate.

(FacePalm Face)…..Tripled !

Read your friggin comment again.....and then read this statement :

"Americans are having fewer and fewer babies, a new government report finds. In fact, we now aren’t making enough babies to replace ourselves."

What's the "Abortion Rate" per year again ?  (rolling eyes Face)

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.29  Texan1211  replied to  It Is ME @9.1.28    4 months ago

Don't bother. He doesn't think abortion has ANYTHING to do with the birthrate!

 
 
 
bbl-1
9.1.30  bbl-1  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.29    4 months ago

Would 'self gratification' be counted as, not giving 'those little critters' a chance be a form of abortion?

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.31  Texan1211  replied to  bbl-1 @9.1.30    4 months ago

I believe only a fool would or could believe something so silly.

Why did you ask?

 
 
 
bbl-1
9.1.32  bbl-1  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.31    4 months ago

Don't know.  Asking.  I am sure some of the christian taliban may have Scripture Issues with the 'seed from man' and its preciousness to the man/god relationship of the creation.

Why a fool?  Are not sperm, potential life?  Well, how far and how deep should the specter of life be sacrosanct?

Are these not legitimate issues worthy of honest and fair debate?

 
 
 
bbl-1
9.1.33  bbl-1  replied to  bbl-1 @9.1.32    4 months ago

Bit to heavy, Tex?

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.34  Texan1211  replied to  bbl-1 @9.1.32    4 months ago
Don't know. Asking. I am sure some of the christian taliban may have Scripture Issues with the 'seed from man' and its preciousness to the man/god relationship of the creation.
Why a fool? Are not sperm, potential life? Well, how far and how deep should the specter of life be sacrosanct?
Are these not legitimate issues worthy of honest and fair debate?

No, not worthy of debate. Perhaps you can find someone who feels that way. Good luck.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.35  Texan1211  replied to  bbl-1 @9.1.33    4 months ago
Bit to heavy, Tex?

Not at all.

But way too stupid and childish for me. You have fun, though!

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1.36  It Is ME  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.29    4 months ago
Don't bother. He doesn't think abortion has ANYTHING to do with the birthrate!

I figured....but what the Hell !

I was bored ! (Shrugging Shoulders)

 
 
 
charger 383
10  charger 383    4 months ago

This is a good thing, overpopulation is the biggest problem and multiplies all other problems

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
10.1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  charger 383 @10    4 months ago

I figured you would say that. I know how much you are concerned about overpopulation. Apparently, the human race is taking care of that on its own.

 
 
 
bbl-1
11  bbl-1    4 months ago

"Americans aren't reproducing enough to replace themselves?"  No problem.  Machines are being designed to do that for the Americans.  Besides, it is difficult to accomplish 'certain things' when the eyes are glued to that little screen.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
12  Dismayed Patriot    4 months ago

"Americans aren't making enough babies to replace ourselves"

My first thought after reading that was "Thank goodness..." and my next thought was "It's got to be due to all the jackoffs..."...

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
13  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉    4 months ago

I did my part!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
13.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @13    4 months ago

Just two kids? Yep, me too. Zero population growth from the Giggles family

 
 
 
Veronica
13.1.1  Veronica  replied to  Trout Giggles @13.1    4 months ago

2 for me too....

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
13.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Veronica @13.1.1    4 months ago

Ok, then. Veronica, BF and I did our parts!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
13.1.3  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @13.1.2    4 months ago

2 from me, too! 

I call that replacement value. LOL!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
13.1.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1.3    4 months ago
2 from me, too! 

2 wonderful daughters for me and my wife as well. Seems like most logical, reasonable persons are in agreement. I figured I didn't want to have more kids than I could carry out of a burning building. Also, with more than two the kids start getting short changed on the exclusive time kids need with their parents. I have an old friend (member of my old Church in Ohio) who has 7 kids and the fact is the oldest half of those kids are having to partially raise the younger half because their parents simply do not have enough time, between work, shopping, chores and all the minutia of enrolling each kid in school, going to parent teacher conferences, two people just can't meet the real needs of that many children. So the choice is either to have fewer children or accept that your kids will end up having to go without.

 
 
 
Kathleen
13.1.5  Kathleen  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1.3    4 months ago

One for me. I started late.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
13.1.6  sandy-2021492  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @13.1.4    4 months ago
I have an old friend (member of my old Church in Ohio) who has 7 kids and the fact is the oldest half of those kids are having to partially raise the younger half because their parents simply do not have enough time,

My parents both come from large families.  My dad has 9 siblings, and my mom had 7 who survived to adulthood.  Their parents came from similarly large families.  My maternal grandmother had to drop out of school after the seventh grade to take care of her siblings, and resented it.  The same happened to my mom's oldest sister.  The older kids in those large families had to grow up fast, and had childhood and opportunities denied them, because they were parenting their siblings.

 
 
 
MUVA
13.1.7  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1.3    4 months ago

We had 4 my wife had a miscarriage twice one was very late in her pregnancy after the second she was unable to safely try again. 

 
 
 
Kavika
14  Kavika     4 months ago

According to the stats a certain demographic seems to be laggards in the baby making department. Better get to humpin' there white folks...jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
14.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @14    4 months ago

I'm done. This baby making factory is closed

 
 
 
Kavika
14.1.1  Kavika   replied to  Trout Giggles @14.1    4 months ago
I'm done. This baby making factory is closed

But you have kids. They can have babies ya know...You did explain to them how it works, right!!!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
14.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @14.1.1    4 months ago
You did explain to them how it works, right!!!

That might have been something that I left out in their education. I told them to use condoms and how birth control works but may have left out the technical parts. LOL!

My daughter will be 26 in a week or so and the boy just turned 24. They're still both quite young. I didn't have my first one until I was 31.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
14.1.3  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @14.1.2    4 months ago

I had the girls at 34. One shot and instant family. No regrets. 

But on the other hand, my daughter, who just got engaged at 24 said she will not wait as long as I did, since she studies autism, and age, both male and female makes a difference. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
14.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @14.1.3    4 months ago

My daughter takes care of sick babies all day long since she is a NICU nurse. I think just taking care of those babies has helped her make a decision to either hold off or not have any at all.

I'm pretty certain my DIL doesn't want any children because she had a pretty bad childhood

 
 
 
Kavika
14.1.5  Kavika   replied to  Trout Giggles @14.1.4    4 months ago

I was told, ''go forth and populate''...I did and now have increased the population of both America and Australia. I'm considered a double patriot. jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Veronica
14.1.6  Veronica  replied to  Trout Giggles @14.1.4    4 months ago

My daughter cannot carry a pregnancy.  She is 30 now and showing no signs of worrying about her ticking clock.  She doesn't particularity like children.

My son (26) is not a fan of children either, so he is not keen on reproducing either.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
14.1.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @14.1.5    4 months ago

You are awesome!

 
 
 
Kavika
14.1.8  Kavika   replied to  Trout Giggles @14.1.7    4 months ago
You are awesome!

I know, it's a job and I'm up to the challenge...jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
14.1.9  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Kavika @14.1.5    4 months ago

You did more than that! Your tribe is huge! And you are a great, great grand dad. and you are still not an old man. That is pretty amazing! 

 
 
 
Kathleen
14.1.10  Kathleen  replied to  Veronica @14.1.6    4 months ago

I think my daughter likes animals more then kids. She wants a zoo, not a bunch of kids.

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
14.1.11  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  Kathleen @14.1.10    4 months ago

If the child Identifies as a giraffe, don't argue. It's their prerogative.

 
 
 
katrix
14.2  katrix  replied to  Kavika @14    4 months ago

But I don't like babies!  They poop and spit up and scream.  They're blobs of stink and noise.

 
 
 
Veronica
14.2.1  Veronica  replied to  katrix @14.2    4 months ago

Exactly what my daughter says.  She also says they are usually sticky.  She is very particular with her appearance & all those things don't go with her outfit.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
14.2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Veronica @14.2.1    4 months ago

It's so funny, the older I get, the more I dislike children. I had 2 of my own, but I am not crazy about babies or little kids.

 
 
 
arkpdx
14.2.3  arkpdx  replied to  katrix @14.2    4 months ago

AaaWww come on. Babies aren't bad. You just have to cook them properly. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
14.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  katrix @14.2    4 months ago

I never had any little ones.  Just not in the cards.  But I love my nieces and nephews!  Why is't there an Aunt's Day?

 
 
 
Tessylo
14.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  arkpdx @14.2.3    4 months ago

I'm sure they're very tender, like veal.  

 
 
 
Veronica
14.2.6  Veronica  replied to  Trout Giggles @14.2.2    4 months ago

Everyone asks me about being a grandmother & how I will miss out on so much....  I am with you - not particularly fond of babies & toddlers anymore.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
14.2.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  Veronica @14.2.6    4 months ago

Nobody bugs me about not being a grandmother. They know better

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
14.2.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @14.2.4    4 months ago

Pick any day you want and we'll call it Aunt's Day. :)

 
 
 
Veronica
14.2.9  Veronica  replied to  Trout Giggles @14.2.7    4 months ago

So how do you convey that attitude?  Lessons, please.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
14.2.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  Veronica @14.2.9    4 months ago

You're familiar with the Evil Eye, right?

Try that a few times, but I've been getting sharp pains in my eye every time I do that.

 
 
 
Veronica
14.2.11  Veronica  replied to  Trout Giggles @14.2.10    4 months ago

I know the "evil eye".... I will give it a try (also do a protection spell to keep my own eyes safe).

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
14.2.12  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tessylo @14.2.4    4 months ago

There is an aunt and uncle day. It's 

FridayJuly 26
 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
14.2.13  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @14.2.2    4 months ago
I am not crazy about babies or little kids.

Neither am I. I like older kids. But my mom is mad about babies, so she is hoping to be around for my kids' children. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
14.2.14  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @14.2.12    4 months ago

Thanks Perrie!

Are you bringing the cake?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
14.2.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  Veronica @14.2.11    4 months ago

I think I'm suffering from the "returns to you 3-fold" curse. I am constantly giving somebody the Evil Eye

 
 
 
Veronica
14.2.16  Veronica  replied to  Trout Giggles @14.2.15    4 months ago
"returns to you 3-fold"

Yea, that happens.  I try to avoid it as much as possible, but sometimes.... ya just got to let them have it & pay the piper later.

 
 
 
Sunshine
15  Sunshine    4 months ago
“There are shifts where having smaller families is a trend,”

This has been going on since the easy availability of birth control, which would be my generation.  Prior to that, there where not too many other options.  Larger families where very common.

 
 
 
Kavika
16  Kavika     4 months ago
That might have been something that I left out in their education. I told them to use condoms and how birth control works but may have left out the technical parts. LOL!

You left out the technical parts!!!! chicken...LOLOLOLOL

Well there still fairly young so they have time to ''catch up'' in that baby making department.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
16.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @16    4 months ago
You left out the technical parts!!!! chicken...LOLOLOLOL

They have books that explain that part....I taught them to read

 
 
 
321steve
17  321steve    4 months ago

we now aren’t making enough babies to replace ourselves.

Good, there too many damn people in the world now. 

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
18  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉    4 months ago

When you start getting older the volcano just kind of sadly dribbles lava. After some core work and some heavy t injections it starts spewing into the atmosphere again. Protective eye wear once again a needed safety precaution.

Thought i'd share that.....

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
18.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @18    4 months ago

I appreciate your contribution

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
18.1.1  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  Trout Giggles @18.1    4 months ago

I mean who else can I share that with?  LOL

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
19  Buzz of the Orient    4 months ago

When I was single I did my best to reverse the trend.  I have no idea how many children I have but every time I went past a schoolyard I threw a bunch of pennies over the fence. 

 
 
 
96WS6
20  96WS6    4 months ago

Considering there are roughly 700,000 abortions a year in the US are we really not "fertile" enough or are we just killing too many?

 
 
 
epistte
20.1  epistte  replied to  96WS6 @20    4 months ago
Considering there are roughly 700,000 abortions a year in the US are we really not "fertile" enough or are we just killing too many?

Why should any woman be forced to continue a pregnancy to term against their wishes? Are you going to pay for the life costs of that child, as way as paying her for her time as a mother and for the loss of her rights because of your conservative views? 

Your avatar hints that you are a libertarian but your argument is the opposite of personal freedom.

 
 
 
96WS6
20.1.1  96WS6  replied to  epistte @20.1    4 months ago

My question in no way suggests anything about personal freedom.  It in no way suggests I would try to stop you from murdering your own child.  that is your choice.  It just so happens I don't agree with it.  Do you agree with the new law in NY the lets someone kill a baby right before it takes it's first breath?

 
 
 
Texan1211
20.2  Texan1211  replied to  96WS6 @20    4 months ago
Considering there are roughly 700,000 abortions a year in the US are we really not "fertile" enough or are we just killing too many?

Could be a combination of both. One would think that with lower pregnancy rates there would be lower abortion rates, too.

 
 
 
Gordy327
20.3  Gordy327  replied to  96WS6 @20    4 months ago
Considering there are roughly 700,000 abortions a year in the US are we really not "fertile" enough or are we just killing too many?

Immaterial. No one should be forced to have a child if they do not want one.

 
 
 
Texan1211
20.3.1  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @20.3    4 months ago
Immaterial

How is that immaterial to the article?

No one should be forced to have a child if they do not want one

WTF said they should???

 
 
 
Gordy327
20.3.2  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @20.3.1    4 months ago

It's immaterial because abortion isn't the issue or the focus of article. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
20.3.3  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @20.3.2    4 months ago
It's immaterial because abortion isn't the issue or the focus of article.

Bull. Of Course it is material to the article because the article is speaking of Americans not producing enough kids to replace ourselves.

Why in hell WOULDN'T it be relevant????

 
 
 
Sparty On
20.3.4  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @20.3.3    4 months ago
Why in hell WOULDN'T it be relevant????

Because silly goose,  Its inconvenient to the narrative being pushed by the hive.  

That's why.

 
 
 
Texan1211
20.3.5  Texan1211  replied to  Sparty On @20.3.4    4 months ago

Ah. I see!

Don't you think that childbirth rates, miscarriages, abortions, etc. would ALL be considered FACTORS in lower birth rates as well as education, changing societal roles, etc.?

But what do you really expect from anyone who thinks because something is MENTIONED as a POSSIBLE reason for low birthrates that means it is the ONLY thing we are talking about?

When minds are THAT closed, usually there is no getting through to them.

 
 
 
Sparty On
20.3.6  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @20.3.5    4 months ago

True, one is required to put all bias and partisanship aside to truly think "clearly" about topics like this.  

That is "clearly" an impossible task for some to accomplish.

 
 
 
Texan1211
20.3.7  Texan1211  replied to  Sparty On @20.3.6    4 months ago
True, one is required to put all bias and partisanship aside to truly think "clearly" about topics like this.
That is "clearly" an impossible task for some to accomplish.

When you mention the word abortion to some, they automatically get all defensive and think we are trying to deny someone form getting one.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
20.3.8  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @20.3.7    4 months ago
When you mention the word abortion to some, they automatically get all defensive and think we are trying to deny someone form getting one.

It's because some of us recognize how badly conservatives want to claim abortion is a "national emergency" so they can try to ban it, then we're just one conservative Republican fascist law away from the Handmaids Tale.

 
 
 
Texan1211
20.3.9  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @20.3.8    4 months ago

Please do tell us where a bunch of Republicans have tried to claim abortion is a national emergency and tried to ban it.

Comments like yours kind of proves the point I made.

 
 
 
Texan1211
20.3.10  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @20.3.8    4 months ago
It's because some of us recognize how badly conservatives want to claim abortion is a "national emergency" so they can try to ban it, then we're just one conservative Republican fascist law away from the Handmaids Tale.

You are aware of what the topic is, right?

Do you think abortion has played any role in declining birthrates?

 
 
 
Gordy327
20.3.11  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @20.3.3    4 months ago
Bull. Of Course it is material to the article because the article is speaking of Americans not producing enough kids to replace ourselves.

Here's what the articles says about it: "...a combination of several factors, including changing economics, delays in childbirth by women pursuing jobs and education, the greater availability of contraception, and a decline in teen pregnancies."

Abortion is not mentioned nor seems to be factored in. But the original comment I responded to seems to focus specifically on abortion as a cause.

 
 
 
Texan1211
20.3.12  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @20.3.11    4 months ago
Here's what the articles says about it: "...a combination of several factors, including changing economics, delays in childbirth by women pursuing jobs and education, the greater availability of contraception, and a decline in teen pregnancies."
Abortion is not mentioned nor seems to be factored in. But the original comment I responded to seems to focus specifically on abortion as a cause.

Okay, abortions have ZERO effect on birthrates.

LMFAO

Where do you GET this stuff from???????

 
 
 
96WS6
20.3.13  96WS6  replied to  Gordy327 @20.3    4 months ago

Hey Gordy,

In the past you would not say when you thought is should be illegal to abort.  In fact if I remember correctly you said you agreed with whatever the law was although you didnt seem to know what those laws were.  Now that the rest of your ilk thinks it is OK to kill a baby right up untill it takes it's first breath and have made it law, has it given you the balls to form an opinion?   Does your opine change with the laws of your ilk?

 
 
 
Gordy327
20.3.14  Gordy327  replied to  96WS6 @20.3.13    4 months ago
In the past you would not say when you thought is should be illegal to abort.

I never said it should be illegal to abort.

  In fact if I remember correctly you said you agreed with whatever the law was although you didnt seem to know what those laws were.

I am familiar with the laws and I agree with the current law as a reasonable compromise between both opposing sides on the matter.

  Now that the rest of your ilk thinks it is OK to kill a baby right up untill it takes it's first breath and have made it law,

Who says that exactly?

has it given you the balls to form an opinion? 

I've always made my opinions known.

Does your opine change with the laws of your ilk?

See previous statement. I cannot speak for anyone else.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
21  The Magic Eight Ball    4 months ago
The new report didn’t just look at the nation as a whole. It also broke down total fertility rates by state, which ranged from a high of 2,227 in South Dakota to a low of 1,421 in Washington, D.C.

Part of that variation may be related to the passage of the Affordable Care Act, Strobino said. “Some states did not select to expand Medicaid,” she explained. “And that would have impacted access to family planning services.”

that is a very funny, and long winded way to say less obamacare = higher population growth.

family planning services.”

less access to family reduction services resulted in higher birth rates?

  im shocked I tell ya... just shocked.

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bbl-1
22  bbl-1    4 months ago

This thing is still here?

So America doesn't have enough babies to replenish itself...……...considering the way things are...………...this is a bad thing?

snorkle

No immigration either, right?

 
 
 
mocowgirl
22.1  mocowgirl  replied to  bbl-1 @22    4 months ago
this is a bad thing?

Could be.  The US economy (Wall Street) relies upon a steady supply of rabid consumers, cheap labor and cannon fodder.

Some economists and/or capitalists have coined the term "Demographic Winter" to try scare people about the possible adverse impacts of not producing enough wage slaves to replace and support them.  Having children for the purpose of supporting the parents is slavery and inhumane. 

It is not just America that is experiencing less than replacement birth rate.  It is common throughout industrialized nations.  In the last decade, Italy, Spain and Russia have tried programs that paid women to have more babies.  In the US, our rabid capitalists rely on legal and illegal immigration and trying to deny poor women access to birth control by closing Planned Parenthood clinics.

If you are interested in some of the propaganda spread by the go forth and multiply till you drop capitalists, then I suggest researching "Demographic Winter".  

Below is a video released about "Demographic Winter".  It has been years since I watched it, but I believe it uses  Christian religion dogma as justification for forcing men and women to marry and reproduce as an obligation to society.

 
 
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