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Journalist Carl Bernstein has said that he’s been told that special counsel Robert Mueller’s report will show how President Donald Trump helped Russia “destabilize the United States.”

  

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Via:  johnrussell  •  5 years ago  •  180 comments

Journalist Carl Bernstein has said that he’s been told that special counsel Robert Mueller’s report will show how President Donald Trump helped Russia “destabilize the United States.”
he has done what appears to be Putin’s goals. He has helped Putin destabilize the United States and interfere in the election, no matter whether it was purposeful or not,” the journalist added. He then explained that he knew from his own high-level sources that Mueller’s report would discuss this assessment.

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Bernstein, who is renowned for his coverage of the Watergate scandal that led to the resignation of former President Richard Nixon, appeared on CNN’s Reliable Sources on Sunday to discuss two bombshell reports released this weekend, one from The New York Times and one from The Washington Post , which revealed new details about whether or not Trump and his aides have colluded with Russia.

The Post reported that Trump has gone to “extraordinary lengths” to conceal direct conversations he has had with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The Times article revealed that the FBI opened a counterintelligence investigation into Trump after he fired former bureau director James Comey in 2017, suspecting the president could be working on behalf of Russia. Trump has angrily denied allegations that he worked with Russia and has regularly attacked the media for reporting on the investigation. But Bernstein slammed Trump’s dismissal of the probe.

“This is about the most serious counterintelligence people we have in the U.S. government saying, ‘Oh, my God, the president’s words and actions lead us to conclude that somehow he has become a witting, unwitting, or half-witting pawn, certainly in some regards, to Vladimir Putin,'” Bernstein explained during his appearance on Reliable Sources .

“From a point of view of strength… rather, he has done what appears to be Putin’s goals. He has helped Putin destabilize the United States and interfere in the election, no matter whether it was purposeful or not,” the journalist added. He then explained that he knew from his own high-level sources that Mueller’s report would discuss this assessment.

“And that is part of what the draft of Mueller’s report, I’m told, is to be about,” he said. “We know there has been collusion by [former national security adviser Michael] Flynn. We know there has been collusion of some sort by [Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul] Manafort. The question is, yes, what did the president know and when did he know it?”


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    5 years ago

Whether Trump is accused of criminal behavior or not, it has been clear for a long time that Mueller will conclude Trump assisted Russia in their attempt to help him win the 2016 election.

Whether he did it intentionally or simply because he is a moron is a secondary consideration.

Congress should make plans to remove the buffoon from office asap.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @1    5 years ago

“This is about the most serious counterintelligence people we have in the U.S. government saying, ‘Oh, my God, the president’s words and actions lead us to conclude that somehow he has become a witting, unwitting, or half-witting pawn, certainly in some regards, to Vladimir Putin,'” Bernstein explained during his appearance on Reliable Sources ."

I think it's more of a "half-wit" pawn...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to    5 years ago

What is a pot face?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to    5 years ago
You are taking a opinion of a pot faced old man

Carl Bernstein is 74 years old, Trump is 72.  Basically no difference.

The difference is Trump is psychologically disturbed.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.2    5 years ago

320

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.5  Ender  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.4    5 years ago

And here I was thinking this,

320

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.6  Split Personality  replied to  Ender @1.1.5    5 years ago

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.1.7  Paula Bartholomew  replied to    5 years ago

Give me a pot faced old man over an old bloated Ooompa Loompa with a dead animal on his head any day of the week.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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1.1.8  Raven Wing  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.1.7    5 years ago

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Paula Bartholomew
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1.1.9  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Raven Wing @1.1.8    5 years ago

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JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    5 years ago

All signs point the same way: Vladimir Putin has compromising information on Donald Trump

Tom Nichols, Opinion columnist
Tom Nichols, a national security professor at the Naval War College and the Harvard Extension School, is a Russia expert and author of " The Death of Expertise ."

Trump's behavior toward Russia has always been a security concern, and the FBI had no choice but to open a counterintelligence operation. It did its job.

Let us sit back, just for a moment, and absorb the reality of the revelations of the past few days.

For apparently the first time in history, the president of the United States himself was the subject of a counterintelligence investigation . This means that his ties to a hostile power were significant enough to overcome the high bar the FBI would have to clear to investigate any American for possibly being influenced or compromised by another country — much less its own chief executive.

We have also learned that the president has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal his discussions with an enemy foreign leader not only from intelligence and foreign policy figures in his own administration, but even from the senior officials of his own Oval Office. It should go without saying that he has tried, in this area as in so many others, to wall himself off from congressional oversight.

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Presidents Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin in Helsinki on July 16, 2018.  (Photo: Chris McGrath/Getty Images)

The president himself is always a reliable barometer of the importance of such revelations, and his panicky tweeting and a subsequent bizarre interview on Fox News (where else?) suggest that these reports are indeed bombshells.

The president’s enablers are dismissing all of this as just more of a Deep State conspiracy set in motion by an FBI aggrieved by the firing of James Comey. The enraged Trump opponents who call themselves the Resistance are convinced that this is evidence not only of Russian influence, but of a Manchurian Candidate who is now the Red President.

Trump clearly has something to hide

The Deep State story is nonsense. The Mole in the Oval image, meanwhile, is too extreme — but not as crazy a theory as it was a year or two ago. The president clearly has something to hide. As I have written many times over the past two years, it is highly unlikely that there is any innocent explanation for the remarkable frequency and depth of the Trump coterie’s interactions with Russia for some 30 years, and especially during the campaign.

While Trump is not an “agent” of the Russian Federation (too many people use this kind of language without knowing what it means to counterintelligence officials), it seems at this point beyond argument that the president personally fears Russian President Vladimir Putin for reasons that can only suggest the existence of compromising information.

Despite the lurid fantasies of the president’s opponents, however, this information is most likely regarding the possible entanglement of Trump’s finances in New York with the Russian mob, Russian intelligence and the Russian government — which are, functionally, the same group — over the past decades.

Americans who are trying to think through the implications of these new developments more calmly should bear in mind three disturbing realities.

First, the existence of the counterintelligence investigation is not a scandal. Indeed, it would be scandal if we had found out today that the FBI had not launched an investigation.

Trump’s behavior regarding Russia has always presented a serious security concern. But when Trump fires the director of the FBI, and then brags about it to actual Russians, only the most stupid or craven law enforcement agency would decline to investigate what to any counterintelligence officer would be the brightest of dozens of flashing red lights. The White House communications shop can throw invective at James Comey and other Justice Department officials, but the FBI had no choice. It was doing the job Americans count on it to do.

Second, the president’s attempts to hide the content of his conversations with Putin are not only abnormal but also deeply suspect. The intelligence community, members of Congress and the public should always be anxious whenever any American official talks to a top Russian leader and then tries to seize the notes. This kind of behavior violates practices of sensible diplomacy and intelligence analysis, and no one acts this way for innocent reasons.

Nor are conversations between the president and Putin merely some personal matter. Such discussions might in fact need to be confidential; sensitive diplomacy often requires a close hold on the informal back-and-forth between top leaders. But their content should be known at the very least to the administration’s own top intelligence and foreign policy advisers.

It’s one thing to hold back information for strategic reasons from the public or even the opposition party. All presidents have done that. It’s another to withhold information from your own advisers.

Republican hypocrisy on Trump is titanic

This is not normal, in any way. As things stand, more people in the Kremlin than in Washington know what Trump said to Putin. It is almost certain that there are readouts and analyses of Trump’s discussions with Putin — but that for now, they are in Russian.

Finally, it is exhausting but nonetheless necessary to point out again the titanic hypocrisy of the Republican Party and of Trump’s apologists in the conservative media. If President Barack Obama had shredded his notes of a meeting with the Iranian president, or if Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager were sitting in jail for lying about meeting a Chinese business associate — and alleged intelligence officer — to share polling data , that alone would have been enough for the GOP to impeach everyone from the president to the White House chef.

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Trump team ties to Russia might be coming to an end, if his willingness to let former Trump lawyer  Michael Cohen speak to Congress next month is any indication. Mueller's report could make these recent revelations seem like the sound of distant fires compared with the bombshells about to explode. But even had Mueller never been appointed, we are already in the midst of the most astonishing scandal in American history.

What happens next is unknowable. But for the president’s supporters to double down in the face of mounting evidence that the president himself is, in some way, compromised by our most dedicated enemy, while making excuses for his secretive behavior by attacking the men and women of the FBI, is a road so dark that perhaps even Joseph McCarthy would not have dared walk it.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JohnRussell @2    5 years ago

About FUCKEN Time

!

 
 
 
Ender
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2.2  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @2    5 years ago
it is exhausting but nonetheless necessary to point out again the titanic hypocrisy of the Republican Party and of Trump’s apologists in the conservative media. If President Barack Obama had shredded his notes of a meeting with the Iranian president, or if Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager were sitting in jail for lying about meeting a Chinese business associate — and alleged intelligence officer — to share polling data, that alone would have been enough for the GOP to impeach everyone from the president to the White House chef.

Ain't that the truth. They would be screaming for Obama to be removed from office or Hillary in jail.

I have learned to never under estimate the depths of sheer hypocrisy some dive.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    5 years ago
The president’s enablers are dismissing all of this as just more of a Deep State conspiracy set in motion by an FBI aggrieved by the firing of James Comey.

Why not?  Comey got fired and McCabe launched another investigation of Trump. Who authorized McCabe to do it? Did the DOJ know about it?  Is that why the DOJ wouldn't cooperate with congressional investigations?  Does that explain the McCabe conversation with Rosenstein in which Rosenstein asks "Well, what do you want me to do, Andy, wear a wire?" ???

I'd say that this recently leaked McCabe investigation is more evidence of the rouge leadership running the FBI at the time

 
 
 
Ender
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4  Ender    5 years ago

That he has had several meetings with putin and zero notes/records and no one knows what was said should be alarming to people.

Yet republicans brush it off, like always.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
5  bbl-1    5 years ago

Is Melania a Russian mole? 

How long has the Trump been under the Russian thumb?

More importantly, does the 35-40% care?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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5.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  bbl-1 @5    5 years ago
Is Melania a Russian mole? 

You can tell by her eyes.

 
 
 
epistte
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5.2  epistte  replied to  bbl-1 @5    5 years ago
Is Melania a Russian mole? 

I've considered that possibility.

How long has the Trump been under the Russian thumb?

How long have they been loaning him money that he doesn't pay back?

More importantly, does the 35-40% care?

I doubt that they will ever care.

 
 
 
Ender
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5.2.1  Ender  replied to  epistte @5.2    5 years ago
How long have they been loaning him money that he doesn't pay back?

They always say, follow the money. I always wondered about that too. When he had to go to them for loans because no US bank would loan to him.

I doubt that they will ever care.

He could be on the Kremlin payroll and some would not care.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
5.2.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ender @5.2.1    5 years ago
follow the money

Trump probably ain't got none

 
 
 
JBB
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5.2.3  JBB  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.2.2    5 years ago

So, Trump has no morals, no class and no money. That isn't a question...

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
5.2.4  epistte  replied to  JBB @5.2.3    5 years ago
So, Trump has no morals, no class and no money. That isn't a question...

We shouldn't be surprised that he is the darling of Christian evangelicals because they both seek money and power.  

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
5.2.5  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JBB @5.2.3    5 years ago
So, Trump has no morals, no class and no money. That isn't a question...

he's morally , has always been classless behind the back of the class...., as he's been schooled, and was valedictorian of the classless, as they were forced to gather in open fields, as his streamin

GUILTY AS HELL Consciousness, should now be dumped up onn the traitorous fckn GOP whose a Greed or not, has definetely Sold All of US OUT,    for Putins' Put_in place Manchurian Candidate, whom some think could be a "Womanchurian" Candidate who's found himself up the creek with Putin's hand up his Arse asking not "what you can do for your country, but asking how can i FCK OVER, the country ",that even despite my menbtal handicapps, has allowed my deviant family to be incredibly 

"Respected" in the double wide community , cause , as Kaptain Kaotic Konfusion, also known as KKK, has starred in a remake of that ole KLassic

Putin Knows Best,

is so BANKRUPT, in so many aspects, that it is Down right disgusting, that he is our POTUS 

cause Putin's been overheard often, in those one on one meAtings

screamin

'WHO'S YOUR DADDY'

asz he dominates all thlngs Trumppppppppppppppppppp

many ppp's to follow, more than Trumpp can ever swallow, as he keeps spittin out his guilt

.

somebody grab him a tissue, and some ice, for that ball bruised chin of  hiz

n morevtissues

cause he needs the tremendously huge economy box of tissues for his

never ending

issues.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6  JBB    5 years ago

Evidence is mounting that Trump is an asset of Russian State Intelligence...

 
 
 
lennylynx
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6.1  lennylynx  replied to  JBB @6    5 years ago

Yeah but, but...Benghazi!!  Emails!!!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.2  JBB  replied to    5 years ago

You have been saying that for over six years now. "WHERE IS THE BEEF?"

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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6.1.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to    5 years ago

once Mueller clears Trump

Lol.  If it takes years to investigate a suspect, it’s highly unlikely the suspect is going to be cleared.  You all know this, and it scares the bejeezus out of you.  Have you practiced your NT concession speech yet?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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6.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JBB @6    5 years ago
Evidence is mounting that Trump is an ass

how much more you supposin we're gonna need ...

 
 
 
nightwalker
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8  nightwalker    5 years ago

Putin couldn't have ordered a better stooge if he ordered a custom made one from a catalog.

Ignorant with a learning disability, a semi-legit con-man, arrogant, greedy and malleable and Putin already had his hooks in him from business deals. A child in a dumpy male body made trump is perfect for Putin.

And trump has certainly done a good job following Putin's orders, hasn't he?  The U.S. is now a world-class joke to the rest of the world, just as Putin wanted. 

 
 
 
JBB
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8.2  JBB  replied to  nightwalker @8    5 years ago

I hear Putin's pet name for Trump, when they are intimate, is, "Stoogie Woo"...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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8.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @8.2    5 years ago
I hear Putin's pet name for Trump, when they are intimate, is, "Stoogie Woo"..

You hear that from your Russian spy friends?

Or just make it up?

 
 
 
nightwalker
Sophomore Silent
8.2.2  nightwalker  replied to  JBB @8.2    5 years ago

Are you sure? I thought I heard it was "Putin's main sucker," but both fit trump fine.

I'm sure they call trump lots of things, none complementary especially the things they say about trump's intelligence (his great big smart braiinnn) and things they say are real small like his....uh...hands.

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nightwalker
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8.2.3  nightwalker  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.1    5 years ago

Well?

Is that your entire trump defense? You must be losing your faith.

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Texan1211
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8.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  nightwalker @8.2.3    5 years ago

It was actually more than the post I responded to deserved.

 
 
 
freepress
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9  freepress    5 years ago

There was absolutely a conspiracy to collude by Trump's son's, his son in law, and his campaign staff. They all conspired to get Trump elected by "any means necessary" and Trump knew and gave the okay or they would not have jumped in to do it.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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10  Sean Treacy    5 years ago

no matter whether it was purposeful or not,

This is insane. so the report will declare:  

"Well, Trump didn't collude with Putin, but he was disruptive!"

What a joke.  No wonder an actual working political reporter, Johnathon Karl, said the report will almost certainly be anti-climatic.

Remember how Fitzmas was supposed to take down the Bush administration, and the only crime Fitzgerald found was a sketchy process crime based on a reporter who later retracted her testimony? 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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12  Sparty On    5 years ago

Mueller’s report will show how President Donald Trump helped Russia “destabilize the United States.”

Lol!  

Russia doesn't need Trump to do that.  

Not when they have Liberals and Democrats attempting to do that regularly without any handling.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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12.1  arkpdx  replied to  Sparty On @12    5 years ago
Not when they have Liberals and Democrats attempting to do that regularly without any handling.

The head of the american communist party once proclaimed that the democrats and liberals were his closest allies  workinng towards implimenting  communist styled system here in the US  

 
 
 
lib50
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12.1.1  lib50  replied to  arkpdx @12.1    5 years ago

Catch up, this is 2019 and Trump is the traitor.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
12.1.2  arkpdx  replied to  lib50 @12.1.1    5 years ago

The ACP leaders  comment is even more valid today in 2019 is more valid abd acccurate than is was when he said it . 

Your comment proves it  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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12.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  arkpdx @12.1.2    5 years ago

I worry about people who think "communism" is a threat to America, given all our other more pressing problems.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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12.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @12.1.4    5 years ago

I rarely think about communism, or socialism.

I do support much higher taxes on the wealthy, because capitalism will never be a fair economic system, but is more useful than socialism or certainly communism.  We do have to adapt capitalism (through taxation) so that it becomes more fair.  Capitalism requires the owners to pay the workers as little as possible. This is a flawed idea.  We have to compensate for that fact through social safety net programs (welfare) and higher taxes on the wealthy.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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12.1.6  arkpdx  replied to  XDm9mm @12.1.4    5 years ago

Communism will always be a threat except to those who walk that same path . Righ comrade or would you prefer tovarach!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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12.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  arkpdx @12.1.6    5 years ago

We used to have a member who would constantly complain about the communist conspiracy against America. Not really a hot topic in the 2010's, but maybe you can take up the banner and lead the charge.

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
12.1.10  PJ  replied to    5 years ago

I'm far more terrified of those who support trump.  They don't seem to fear anything or care about anyone but themselves.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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12.1.11  Sparty On  replied to  PJ @12.1.10    5 years ago
I'm far more terrified of those who support trump.

I worry far more about folks with irrational fears like that.  

Makes me wonder if it's really too late for some folks to be rational, contributing members of society

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
12.1.12  PJ  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.11    5 years ago

Hmmmm........how do I say this so that you'll understand...  

Oh - how about

buh - bye

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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12.1.13  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  PJ @12.1.12    5 years ago

I can only give you one thumbs up PJ, otherwise it would be about five.

 
 
 
PJ
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12.1.14  PJ  replied to  JohnRussell @12.1.13    5 years ago

Thanks John.  I was actually just kidding around with SpartyOn.  jrSmiley_68_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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12.1.15  Studiusbagus  replied to  arkpdx @12.1    5 years ago
The head of the american communist party once proclaimed that the democrats and liberals were his closest allies  workinng towards implimenting  communist styled system here in the US  

Actually, that's a twisted line of bullshit but I'll play your game.

He did say that sticking closer to the Democrats would help them further their agenda.

Because the right is exclusive to old bigots they don't have nearly the diversity or organized labor let alone the inclusive nature of cultures it would only make sense to associate with a diverse group for advancing their ideas.

Even the commies know the right is using and sharing one brain cell.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
12.1.16  arkpdx  replied to  Studiusbagus @12.1.15    5 years ago

And the left uses fewer brain cells that that proven when they show that they have no issue and may even look upon with pride, their use by the communist party to subvert this country.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
12.1.17  igknorantzrulz  replied to  arkpdx @12.1.16    5 years ago
their use by the communist party to subvert this country.

Not sure if you've been keeping up on current events lately,

but,

there's this guy ,

from Russia named Putin ,

and he did,

Putin in place the piece of shit lying conniving sniveling prostitute baggin, pornstar shaggin, LYING Again, wanna B wall builder, pussy grabbin back stabbin Low Life, obviously, with a knife, who's unstable cult of personality, is going down.( And Not on Putin this Time )

Putin and the one PutinPlace by Putin, U know, the Putin Place Pussy Grabber back stabber, have  used so many on the right that it just isn't.

It was not the "left" that bought into the leader of the former Soviet Union good ole Communist Gang Bangin little weasel doude to US A certain group, 

Voters On the "Right" side, bought into all the lies spread by the shirtless bear wrestling hrse back riding weasely looking little macho man mind fck 

not

the left.

Yea, nothin to see here, lets cry about communism being brought here by those left....

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
12.1.18  arkpdx  replied to  igknorantzrulz @12.1.17    5 years ago

Lets see your proof .. Oh wait except for repeating the bs talking points given to you, you have no proof or evidence or anything else  for that matter 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
12.1.19  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  arkpdx @12.1.18    5 years ago

If you need more proof that Trump is a piece of shit you must have been asleep for the past 7 years.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
12.1.20  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @12.1.19    5 years ago

So you still got nothing 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
12.1.21  igknorantzrulz  replied to  arkpdx @12.1.16    5 years ago
when they show that they have no issue and may even look upon with pride, their use by the communist party to subvert this country.

Who electedd Donald Trumpp, the Putin Puppet 

again...

who is allowing our country to be the laughing bstock of the world ...? Again?

Cause it is not the left , behind 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
12.1.22  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  arkpdx @12.1.20    5 years ago
So you still got nothing 

If you don't know what's wrong with Trump by now, you're never going to know. I'm not going to waste good typing and copying and pasting on you.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
12.1.23  Studiusbagus  replied to  arkpdx @12.1.18    5 years ago

Okay, again let's play your game...

The head of the american communist party once proclaimed that the democrats and liberals were his closest allies 

Got that quote somewhere? Do you have your proof?

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
12.1.24  arkpdx  replied to  igknorantzrulz @12.1.21    5 years ago
Who electedd Donald Trumpp

Gee after all this time I thought you would know the answer to that question asked me. He was elected by the majority (in some cases a plurality) and of the voters in 30 of the 50 states voting for him. That in turn gave him 305 electoral college votes, mire than enough to secure the election results 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.25  Sparty On  replied to  PJ @12.1.12    5 years ago

Adios muchachette and don't let the door hit ya, where the good lord split

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
12.1.26  Jack_TX  replied to  igknorantzrulz @12.1.21    5 years ago
who is allowing our country to be the laughing bstock of the world ...?

I've heard this lament several times now.  I find myself almost feeling sorry for those to whom this matters.

Why....on earth....would we give a single rat dropping about what people in other countries are laughing at?  

 
 
 
nightwalker
Sophomore Silent
12.1.27  nightwalker  replied to  Studiusbagus @12.1.23    5 years ago

Also, find out what YEAR that was. It was a few decades ago, but a elephant never forgets anything they find useful but do forget unpleasant details at once.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
12.2  Colour Me Free  replied to  Sparty On @12    5 years ago
Not when they have Liberals and Democrats attempting to do that regularly without any handling.

Are you sure Putin is not the handler?  Russian and Putin are being given a great deal of power by the left and the media through all the speculation about Trump .. now even claiming the president has been working for Russia - what 'asset' of Russia would say things about Russia like Trump does .. he has no clue what a secret even is!

Collusion, okay perhaps, could happen - but an asset of Putin's for Pete's sake .. what next Unicorns will be discovered in Siberia?  I should ask my Dragon to fly to Siberia and see what he can find.....

As I said above, I will happily eat my words when someone comes up with hard copy proof, not speculation and innuendo .. the media is embarrassing the US by printing this drool without any proof / evidence at all .. so much for US journalistic integrity...

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
12.2.2  Colour Me Free  replied to    5 years ago

Hello razing .. hope your weekend was a sweet one ...

I have been scouring the corners of the interweb .. the speculation is off the charts .. I cannot defend the President, but WOW .. now H. is on the band wagon - Trump's a puppet blah blah...

Trump is a piece of work .. but those individuals coming forward making comments in the media just out Trump'd Trump when it comes to spitting out unverified information / accusations..  in my never popular opinion : )

I am just thinking this is all a bit premature … provide facts, not conjecture and I will be happy...

Here is an interesting read .. you prob may have read it already...


In the chaotic aftermath at the FBI following Director James Comey's firing, a half-dozen senior FBI officials huddled to set in motion the momentous move to open an investigation into President Donald Trump that included trying to understand why he was acting in ways that seemed to benefit Russia.

They debated a range of possibilities, according to portions of transcripts of two FBI officials' closed-door congressional interviews obtained by CNN. On one end was the idea that Trump fired Comey at the behest of Russia. On the other was the possibility that Trump didn't have an improper relationship with the Kremlin and was acting within the bounds of his executive authority, the transcripts show.

James Baker, then-FBI general counsel, said the FBI officials were contemplating with regard to Russia whether Trump was "acting at the behest of and somehow following directions, somehow executing their will."

"That was one extreme. The other extreme is that the President is completely innocent, and we discussed that too," Baker told House investigators last year. "There's a range of things this could possibly be. We need to investigate, because we don't know whether, you know, the worst-case scenario is possibly true or the President is totally innocent and we need to get this thing over with — and so he can move forward with his agenda.

"Following Comey's firing, the FBI opened a probe into Trump for possible obstruction of justice, as CNN has previously reported. Part of the impetus for the investigation, the New York Times first reported Friday, was whether Trump's actions seemed to benefit Russia.

This is by far my favorite piece of 'evidence... the whole article is a good read.. about the 'evidence'

Claim 2: Russia has tried for years to manipulate Trump using lucrative business deals, and Russian operatives have collected compromising information that could potentially be used to blackmail Trump.

Evidence: These allegations are based on a 35-page dossier of opposition research on Trump, prepared by a former British intelligence officer hired by Trump’s Republican and Democratic rivals during the election. The dossier contained numerous explosive but unverified claims.

The man who prepared the original 35-page dossier, Christopher Steele, is respected for his intelligence work, particularly in Russia. However, because the claims remain uncorroborated, they should be viewed with skepticism.

The dossier circulated among Washington lawmakers, intelligence agents and journalists for months before becoming public knowledge, when unnamed U.S. officials told CNN in January 2017 that intelligence officers presented Trump with a summary of the document.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
12.2.4  Ender  replied to  Colour Me Free @12.2.2    5 years ago

The FBI did not start any investigations just because of the dossier. That was even said in testimony.

From what I gather from the NYT piece, another investigation into trump was opened as well.

People can yell proof all they want, yet we all knew Capone was guilty, even though they could only get him on tax evasion.

trump had gone to Russian controlled banks and borrowed millions as no US bank would loan to him after his bankruptcies.

Even his son has said that they do an unprecedented amount with Russian people and money.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
12.2.5  Colour Me Free  replied to    5 years ago
as in Preparation...

Thank you so much for the laugh!

So true... drinking the laced Flavor Aid....

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
12.2.6  Colour Me Free  replied to  Ender @12.2.4    5 years ago

Never said that the dossier started an investigation...

Ender, rehashing history does not facts make … still pure speculation - I am not yelling for proof .. but it definitely concerning that individuals are so willing to run with whatever suits their view point... no facts necessary I can believe it, so it must be how things are?

I think the Mueller investigation is tainted, but I am still waiting for the results before I spit out accusations that the sitting President is working with Russia … 

To quote razing …

too many will OD on whatever snake-oil brand of elixir they choose to ingest.
 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
12.2.8  Colour Me Free  replied to    5 years ago

Ooops my bad : )

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
12.2.10  Ender  replied to  Colour Me Free @12.2.6    5 years ago

I am curious as to why you think it is tainted.

I would call the senate investigations more so. When we had Nunes running to the Whitehouse to give any details.

I also think it is not wise, that some people, just ignore all the irregularities and disregard for normal protocol.

trump and the republicans are setting precedent they may wish they hadn't.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
12.2.12  Studiusbagus  replied to    5 years ago
were mostly on the justice department side that is why people have been fired and demoted.

Preet Bahrera was a DOJ attorney investigating Trump's financials

Trump kept calling him directly and he kept refusing the calls as Trump was the subject, and Trump knew this.

He fired Preet and slandered him. Now, that attorney was hired immediately by the NYS attorney's office to keep investigating Trump's financial issues.

Seems Trump was onstructing tjere too as he"s knee deep in his nogus foundation scandal and he as well as his kids could be very well going to prison. 

 I imagine when the gavel slams down Preet will whisper in his ear "who's fired now bitch?"

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
12.2.13  Colour Me Free  replied to  Ender @12.2.10    5 years ago
I also think it is not wise, that some people, just ignore all the irregularities and disregard for normal protocol.

Perhaps not .. above my pay grade to judge - but as somewhat of a non conformist, I also think individuals overreact to what is 'considered normal' …

I do not support the president nor condone his behavior, I happen to think he is a puke - but is the president … unverifiable information printed in articles that have been printed, op'eds tossed around as fact...  My buddy in Canuk land says that NYT and WAPO would have been very careful before printing unsubstantiated information  … why should they? What could or will happen to them?   Individuals do not seem to follow normal protocols in the media any longer, but 'some people' just ignore it (?) 

Def not trying to argue with you Ender .. if you feel this is responsible journalism we will just have to agree to disagree...

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
12.2.14  Colour Me Free  replied to  Ender @12.2.10    5 years ago
I am curious as to why you think it is tainted.

I read this .. but POOF it went over my head, til I was reading conspiracies and came to that I had not responded to your question...

Just what I think, throughout the investigation I have tried to hold my tongue waiting for Mueller's report .. the more that leaks out with no evidence provided, just conjecture being sold as fact, the more I think that the investigation is tainted .. not saying Mueller is tainted/corrupt / blah blah … but the investigation is, starting with Papadopoulos and Page ...

I will continue to wait for the Mueller report to actually be presented before I make any decisions about whether the president 'is an agent of Russia' 

(feel like I live in cartoon some days - Hollywood could not even come up with this script)

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
12.2.15  Ender  replied to  Colour Me Free @12.2.14    5 years ago

In my opinion, saying that it is tainted is basically just giving oneself an answer if the investigation comes to conclusions one doesn't like.

Not saying you are, I have just heard it time and again. Some say that whatever findings come out it will be false , unjustified, and/or bias. For some their minds are already made up.

Papadopoulos had been running around saying that the Russians had emails and dirt on Clinton before the DNC hack was public. He admitted lying to the FBI. trump and his campaign have publicly lied about his involvement in the campaign. He was continuously trying to contact, or was in contact with people in Russia, maybe someone in their MFA.

Now I don't think this implicates trump yet it should have been looked at by the FBI. His insistence and constant push and communications with a hostile foreign government.

Page is a fucking nutjob. He was fired from a consulting firm because of his pro Russia stance. The president of the organization called him 'its "most wackadoodle" alumnus'. He was very supportive of Putin's criticisms of the US. He was called a 'brazen apologist' of anything Russia did and was even often on their state run television. Russian intelligence officers even tried to recruit him as a spy.

That alone should be enough for investigation by the FBI. From what I gather, he was also under investigation by the CIA, the NSA and the Director of National Intelligence.

trump outright lied about Page being a part of his campaign.

Both of those people, imo, should have been investigated.

Now I don't think trump is an 'agent of Russia' yet there is certainly enough flags pointing to his campaign working with a foreign government, including Manafort handing over data in which the Russians would know who and when to target with their false flag attacks.

As far as a conclusion, the investigation was given another six months. I don't see it ending real soon.

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
Freshman Quiet
13  Transyferous Rex    5 years ago
No evidence has emerged publicly that Mr. Trump was secretly in contact with or took direction from Russian government officials. An F.B.I. spokeswoman and a spokesman for the special counsel’s office both declined to comment. Five people briefed on the interview requests, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly, said...

Ongoing since before the election. No evidence has emerged publicly. Every article you read points to supposition and belief, but at the end of the day, nothing has been found. I don't believe there is any info that has not been made public. The place is a leaky sieve. If they did have something, it would have been leaked by now. 

When they come forward with proof, I'll listen. Until then, I can't say that I will believe any of this any more than I do any ancient astronaut theorists. Hell, if the media treated those guys like they did this, they'd be writing stories claiming that the Annunaki were aliens that came to earth to mine gold. Why? Because ancient astronaut theorists say yes. Apparently, that is enough.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

“And that is part of what the draft of Mueller’s report, I’m told, is to be about,” he said. “We know there has been collusion by [former national security adviser Michael] Flynn. We know there has been collusion of some sort by [Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul] Manafort. The question is, yes, what did the president know and when did he know it?”

There should be some penalty for saying stuff like that

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
14.1  Studiusbagus  replied to  Vic Eldred @14    5 years ago

There should be some penalty for saying stuff like that

Think the 1st Amendment only works for one side?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Studiusbagus @14.1    5 years ago

Being a journalist should work just like talking to the FBI - You should be required to tell the truth

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
14.1.2  Studiusbagus  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.1.1    5 years ago
Being a journalist should work just like talking to the FBI - You should be required to tell the truth

How do you know he is not telling the truth?

And how does that square with a president or his representatives? 

Is Sean Hannity in that group too?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14.1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Studiusbagus @14.1.2    5 years ago
How do you know he is not telling the truth?

He somehow knows there has been collusion? As soon as he said "we know" he was lying. There has been no such evidence presented to the public.

And how does that square with a president or his representatives? 

I don't go to Trump for news. Do you? I expect journalists to be objective & honest. Edward R Murrow is rolling over in his grave.


Is Sean Hannity in that group too?

Whataboutism is no defense, but thanks for the effort.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
14.1.4  Studiusbagus  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.1.3    5 years ago
He somehow knows there has been collusion? As soon as he said "we know" he was lying.

Selective memory or did you conveniently forget the Trump Tower meeting about ummmm adoption....er...wait...magnitsky law....oh hell! Okay it was collusion with Russians to get dirt on Clinton....and Trump getting involved by writing for his son...denied then quietly his lawyers confess he in fact did write those lies for his son....but of course Trump knew nothing about it.

Now we have meetings with Putin where after the meeting Trump demanded the interpreters notes, destroyed them and ordered the interpretor in to silence even from our own government.

No evidence there huh?

Then of course there's Cohen wha wasn't a witness...he was a rat. We all know that a "rat" is someone who knows the crime is done and is talking to law enforcement.....now why wasn't he a witness? 

Yeah I agree with Bernstein. We all know.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  Studiusbagus @14.1.4    5 years ago
Trump demanded the interpreters notes, destroyed them and ordered the interpretor in to silence even from our own government.

Sounds like a Secretary of State as I recall.


No evidence there huh?

Nope, and no indictments. Did I miss it or has there been a collusion charge?

 
 
 
lennylynx
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14.1.6  lennylynx  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.1.5    5 years ago

"No collusion!!"  You're right Vic, if there's one thing we know for sure it's that there was 'no collusion.'  President Trump must have told us that 1000 times by now!

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
14.1.7  Studiusbagus  replied to  lennylynx @14.1.6    5 years ago

I don't even think we'll get to that point before he resigns in disgrace.

The latest WTF is that he ordered Cohen to lie to congress. If that proof turns up we're in a whole other league.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14.1.8  Vic Eldred  replied to  Studiusbagus @14.1.7    5 years ago
The latest WTF is that he ordered Cohen to lie to congress.

Now contradicted by Mueller, himself.....Yet BuzzFeed is sticking with the BS!

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
14.1.9  Studiusbagus  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.1.8    5 years ago
Now contradicted by Mueller, himself

English is such a difficult language at times it seems.

Mueller didn't contradict it. He said it wasn't accurate.

For instance Cohen didn't have bags of cash. He paid with a check.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
14.1.10  Sparty On  replied to  Studiusbagus @14.1.9    5 years ago
Mueller didn't contradict it. He said it wasn't accurate.

Spin baby spin, propaganda inferno, spin baby spin ......

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
15  seeder  JohnRussell    5 years ago

'The View' Hosts: Trump Probably Too Dumb to Be a Spy

"It’s hard for me to think he would be this brilliant espionage spy," Meghan McCain said.
 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Guide
15.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  JohnRussell @15    5 years ago

Ya never know ....

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
16  igknorantzrulz    5 years ago

don't think numb nutz is an actual spy,

he's just a Greedy Power and Money hungry imbecile with mental issues,that extremely gullible persons,wanted to b leave, as Trumpp was telling all it's not your fault, it's the illegsl immigrants, it's the Chinese, it's NATO, but

did you notice nhow it was never about his love

of country,

being, a problem

it's not this country that he respects and loves though,

and

that IS

a problem.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
17  Studiusbagus    5 years ago

He's not a spy, he's a tool. There is a difference.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
17.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Studiusbagus @17    5 years ago
he's a tool

first tool that came to mind was a scraper

as

he is constantly scraping the Bottom

and Putin has confirmed, as his bottom needs no high colonic after a Trumppy visit

He's scraped the bottom of the Swamp, to find the best of the worst, and fl\illed his government with them. Many , basically the antithesis of the cabinet posts Trump appointed them to fill.

.

  

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
18  It Is ME    5 years ago

"Journalist Carl Bernstein has said that he’s been told that special counsel Robert Mueller’s report will show...."

Now whom was it that leaked that "Special Private Council" info to Carl ?

Was it "Super Duper Keep things Professional" Mueller ? (Scratching head face)

 
 
 
zuksam
Junior Silent
19  zuksam    5 years ago

This is a case of the Pot calling the Kettle Black. Was it Trump who started the Resist Movement ? Who was it who has been saying "Not My President" claiming his Presidency was Illegitimate ? If anyone has tried to destabilize this country it has been the left, the Leftwing Media and Leftwing Politicians. After two years of false charges and using False evidence to justify a FBI Political Witch Hunt if there were any real evidence of wrongdoing by Trump then Mueller would have charged him by now. If it were found that there was evidence of Trump working with Russia what does it say about Mueller for not doing something about it, what kind of person would allow a Traitor to serve as President for even one day more once they had the evidence against him ? The fact is this whole investigation has been a Political Ploy to manufacture Propaganda to help the Left win the mid term Elections and try to make Trump a one term President but it was based on politically motivated false charges from the start. It has never and will never bear any fruit related to the original false charges because it's been a Bullshit Political Assassination Conspiracy from the beginning and they'll drag it out as long as they can because the only thing it's ever been about is false propaganda. In the end somebody should go to Prison but not Trump. Trump may be a Jackass and it's fine to not like him or his policies but the Political instability in this country is not his fault it is the fault of the Left who would rather tear this country to shreds than not get their way.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
19.1  Studiusbagus  replied to  zuksam @19    5 years ago
Who was it who has been saying "Not My President" claiming his Presidency was Illegitimate ?

The right, starting from day one of Obama's term.

After two years of false charges and using False evidence to justify a FBI Political Witch Hunt if there were any real evidence of wrongdoing by Trump then Mueller would have charged him by now

How many investigations and hearings of Hillary Clinton and STILL had nothing to charge her with?

  A little late to be making those comments.

 
 
 
nightwalker
Sophomore Silent
19.2  nightwalker  replied to  zuksam @19    5 years ago

That's odd, I distinctly remember the ultra-right saying "Obama isn't MY President" and McConnell saying "we will not work with this man!" sounds like resistance to me.

Want a example of persecution without evidence? Nine investigations of Benghazi, a investigation of the Clinton charity (if trump ran his for himself, you hoped Clinton did the same) and was it one or two investigations about her server? trump wanted a few more investigations, from the FBI and DOJ because he thought (thinks) they were HIS personal police force, to be released on his enemies large and small like the rulers he admires so much do.

What did the outer-right prove out of all that? That Clinton charity was rated "AAA" and that they didn't like Clinton, she was a threat to trump's presidency so it was all a propaganda. "Jail her! jail her! jail her!" and I don't remember the right waiting for ANY facts then on any of those investigations.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Clinton fan, they're both professional politicians and Willie's politics didn't impress me much as President.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
19.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  nightwalker @19.2    5 years ago

Bubba was a very good President as Presidents go.   No doubt history will rate him much higher than Obama in the end.   He had the intelligence to move to the middle when required and with a little prodding from Congress was able to balance the budget with surpluses.   A huge accomplishment.

Yeah, among other bad things he will also always be remembered for lying to the American people but that will never take away his best accomplishments.   Now his wife is a completely different story.   That egotistical sea hag clearly doesn't have the character or class to act in such a manner.   What a biatch she be!

That said I seem to recall the Clintons whining about being in the "poor-house" when they left the "Whitehouse."   Not so much today as they live high on the hog with an estimated 50 million dollar net worth.    From zero to hero in less than 20 years?   Not bad eh?

And people complain about conservatives being greedy?   Hilarious!   Pay no attention to the liberals behind the curtain.

 
 

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