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Texas Officials Begin Walking Back Allegations About Noncitizen Voters

  

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Via:  split-personality  •  5 years ago  •  19 comments

Texas Officials Begin Walking Back Allegations About Noncitizen Voters
Texas officials are taking a step back on their claim they found 95,000 possible noncitizens in the state's voter rolls. They say it is possible many of the people on their list should not be there.

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Texas officials are taking a step back on their claim they found 95,000 possible noncitizens in the state's voter rolls. They say it is possible many of the people on their list should not be there.

In a statement Tuesday, the Texas Secretary of State's office said they "are continuing to provide information to the counties to assist them in verifying eligibility of Texas voters."

Last Friday, Texas Secretary of State David Whitley sent an advisory to local registrars asking them to look at their voter rolls. Whitley said his office flagged the names of 95,000 people who at one point in the past 22 years had identified as noncitizens with the Texas Department of Public Safety. In that time span, officials said, they also registered to vote.

Voting rights groups have said the state's list is likely a list of naturalized citizens who recently got the right to vote.

The state has provided little information about the methodology it used to compile the list, which has concerned both local election officials and voting rights groups.

"I don't know how they crafted their list," said Travis County's Tax Assessor-Collector Bruce Elfant, who manages the county's voter rolls.

Elfant says he has been holding off contacting voters on the original list of alleged noncitizens that the state gave him. He says the list had the names of about 4,500 people who live in Travis County, which includes the city of Austin and its suburbs.

On Tuesday, he told state and other local officials that they should remove a group of voters who were erroneously on their first list.

"The list will shrink significantly from the original 4,500 we received," he said.

Elfant said it's unclear how large the new number will be or whether the updated list will be any more reliable.

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"It would have nice if they would have vetted this more carefully before they sent it out to the election administrators," he says. "But it is what it is, I am glad they gave us guidance yesterday because it's going to be less ... difficult for valid voters."

James Slattery, a staff attorney with the Texas Civil Rights Project, says Whitley should rescind the advisory altogether.

"At this point, you have to say the whole process is tainted from the start. We now have very big obvious flaws in the methodology by which this advisory was disseminated," he says. "And it's not just me saying it. It's apparently the Secretary of State's office saying that to county election officials himself."

The state's push comes as Republican-dominated Texas shows signs of becoming increasingly competitive politically. Last fall, Democrats flipped two GOP-controlled House districts and came close to winning a Senate race for the first time in more than two decades.

"The timing of the Texas Secretary of State's announcement — falsely claiming that there are tens of thousands noncitizens on the rolls — we think is directly related to the very high number of Latinos who were registered and were voting in the most recent election," said Nina Perales of MALDEF, a Latino legal defense group.

LULAC, a Latino civil rights group, filed a lawsuit in a federal court in San Antonio on Tuesday. They say the state is violating the Voting Rights Act and intimidating new voters.

"We are going to be able to show that at the end that all of these were legitimate U.S. voters," Domingo Garcia, the national president of LULAC, said. "In the end, this is really about voter suppression, not voter fraud."

Other states, including Florida and Colorado, have tried a similar voter purges aimed at alleged noncitizens. Before the 2012 election, Florida compiled a list of roughly 180,000 names. After local officials combed through it, only 85 people were removed from the rolls.

The focus on possible voting violations comes as Texas lawmakers have just begun their legislative session. One bill under consideration would require people to show proof of citizenship when they register to vote.



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Split Personality
Professor Guide
1  seeder  Split Personality    5 years ago

Texas State attorney General Paxton made headlines 5 days ago by claiming that DPS Director McGraw and State Secretary Whitley had researched the voter roles and found 95,000 non

citizens,  58,000 of whom had voted at least once.  VOTER FRAUD by Illegals !!!

That apparently was patently false.  What they created accidentally, appears to be a list of naturalized citizens from 1996 to the  present and what some are disappointed by, is that only 61%

of these new citizens are voting ( which is far more than the rate of natural citizens who vote ).

Crickets from Paxton, McGraw and Whitley...

Whitley's office very quietly began contacting counties Tuesday that the lists were inaccurate and needed to be revised downward, significantly.

Election officials in Harris County, Texas, have no intention of being as accommodating.

“We’re very skeptical about the accuracy of this list,” Douglas Ray, special assistant to the county attorney representing Ann Harris Bennett, Harris County Tax Assessor and Voter Registrar, told WhoWhatWhy . In Bennett’s office, a 2011 error looms large, Ray said. The secretary of state sent a list of registered voters determined to be dead and asked the county send notices verifying the information. Several staff people in the Harris County office were among the living people listed in the data who received notices.

“We do not think we’re in the business of trying to throw people off the rolls,” Ray said. Harris County intends to conduct a thorough investigation of citizenship status before sending any kind of notice to its constituents.

[Attorney General] Paxton’s move is an attack on newly naturalized citizens, not ‘illegal’ voters,” Danielle Lang, co-director of voting rights and redistricting at the Campaign Legal Center responded in an email.

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
1.1  epistte  replied to  Split Personality @1    5 years ago
Texas State attorney General Paxton made headlines 5 days ago by claiming that DPS Director McGraw and State Secretary Whitley had researched the voter roles and found 95,000 non

citizens,  58,000 of whom had voted at least once.  VOTER FRAUD by Illegals !!!

That apparently was patently false.  What they created accidentally, appears to be a list of naturalized citizens from 1996 to the  present and what some are disappointed by, is that only 61%

Is anyone surprised that this was a partisan stunt?  There needs to be something done about politicians who seek to willfully deny people their right to vote. They should be forced to immediately resign their position, forfeit any pension or benefits that they might have accrued as the result of that office, as well as losing their voting rights for 10 years.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
2  seeder  Split Personality    5 years ago

Texas quietly informs counties that some of the 95,000 voters flagged for citizenship review don't belong on the list

County officials said the number mistakenly flagged is "significant."

Officials in five large counties — Harris, Travis, Fort Bend, Collin and Williamson — told The Texas Tribune they had received calls Tuesday from the secretary of state’s office indicating that some of the voters whose citizenship status the state said counties should consider checking should not actually be on those lists.

The secretary of state’s office incorrectly included some voters who had submitted their voting registration applications at Texas Department of Public Safety offices, according to county officials. Now, the secretary of state is instructing counties to remove them from the list of flagged voters.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3  Perrie Halpern R.A.    5 years ago

Interesting. I couldn't figure out how that could have happened in the first place. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
3.1  seeder  Split Personality  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3    5 years ago

Neither could I, having lived here for many years.

Funny how it hasn't made the news.

Nor do I expect will The POTUS revise or delete his tweets about it.

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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

58,000 non-citizens voted in Texas, with 95,000 non-citizens registered to vote. These numbers are just the tip of the iceberg. All over the country, especially in California, voter fraud is rampant. Must be stopped. Strong voter ID! @ foxandfriends

So Sad!
 
 
 
katrix
Sophomore Participates
3.1.1  katrix  replied to  Split Personality @3.1    5 years ago
Nor do I expect will The POTUS revise or delete his tweets about it

Of course he won't.  Just like he won't point out that where we have combatted voter fraud this year, it's been committed by the GOP!

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
3.1.2  epistte  replied to  Split Personality @3.1    5 years ago
Neither could I, having lived here for many years.

Funny how it hasn't made the news.

Nor do I expect will The POTUS revise or delete his tweets about it.

I wonder if Kris Korbach had anything to do with this stunt?

 
 
 
Old Hermit
Sophomore Silent
3.2  Old Hermit  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3    5 years ago
I couldn't figure out how that could have happened in the first place. 

Unfortunately it's an all too commonly used tactic for stirring up fear and hate of " Others ".

2012 Headline

2012 Election: Nearly 200,000 Florida Voters May Not Be Citizens
Tens of thousands of voters could be dropped from the rolls this election year
By Gary Fineout
Published May 11, 2012

Story later updated with;

Editor’s note on Nov. 12, 2018: This story was published in May 2012. The initial list of 180,000 names was whittled to 2,625, according to the Florida Department of State. The state then checked a federal database and stated it found 207 noncitizens on the rolls (not necessarily voting but on the rolls). That list was sent to county election supervisors to check and it also turned out to contain errors. An Aug. 1, 2012, state elections document showed only 85 noncitizens were ultimately removed from the rolls out of a total of about 12 million voters at that time.

But of course "Some" aren't interested in the facts just the shock value of the unkillable lie.

Donald Trump Jr. tweets misleading 2012 headline about Florida noncitizen voters

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Same crap was pulled in Pennsylvania;

Is Pennsylvania swarming with illegal voters?

A Republican gubernatorial candidate in Pennsylvania, state Sen. Scott Wagner, recently sent supporters an alarming email, pointing out that the Washington Times has reported there are 100,000 noncitizens registered to vote in Pennsylvania.

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BUT, like Florida & Texas the Pennsylvania screaming headline is not holding up well under a sober investigation.

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State Disputes Claim 100K Noncitizens Registered to Vote
Pennsylvania election officials say there's no evidence to back up a claim that more than 100,000 noncitizen immigrants had been registered to vote in the state.

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — Pennsylvania election officials said Wednesday that there is no evidence to back up a claim that more than 100,000 noncitizen immigrants had been registered to vote in the state, responding to a conservative group's lawsuit in federal court.

The Department of State, in a statement to The Associated Press, said it is reviewing data and that the figure "is not confirmed by any substantive analysis by the Department. It is not a credible figure and there is no reason to believe it to be accurate."
 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Quiet
6  lady in black    5 years ago

Well I'll be horn swaggled......Texas fucks up once again making a mountain out of a mole hill and republicans getting their panties in a bunch over ALTERNATIVE NEWS

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
7  Ender    5 years ago

Funny that things like this happen when they start losing votes.

I guess Beto was getting to close for them. Time to scare the people and try to disenfranchise others.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
7.1  Dulay  replied to  Ender @7    5 years ago
Time to scare the people and try to disenfranchise others.

I guess it's their last best hope. They've done everything, legal and not so legal, to keep Texas red. Their investment has done them well until now. 

I wonder if Perry is rethinking his outreach to get companies from other states to move there. Bringing in all those northern and west coast companies may have screwed up their political demographics just enough to tip the scales. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
8  seeder  Split Personality    5 years ago

4 days ago

same shit, no updates

no widespread arrests or deportations.

Just another "my hairs on fire moment" from AG Paxton.

 
 

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