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Cohen plans to “provide evidence of alleged criminal conduct by Trump since he became president”

  

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Via:  john-russell  •  5 years ago  •  209 comments

Cohen plans to “provide evidence of alleged criminal conduct by Trump since he became president”

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Michael Cohen is reportedly expected to tell Congress that Trump broke the law while in office


In testimony this week, Cohen is prepared to describe behind-the-scenes anecdotes about Trump that include lies, racism and cheating as a private businessman when Cohen worked for him for 10 years , NBC News said, citing the source.

President Donald Trump's former personal lawyer Michael Cohen is expected to tell lawmakers this week about alleged criminal conduct Trump committed while in office, NBC News reported, citing a knowledgeable source.

Cohen starts a three-day gantlet of congressional appearances on Tuesday by giving a closed-door interview to the Senate Intelligence Committee. He is expected to detail what he claims to know about Trump's contacts with Russia, hush payments made before the 2016 election and other sensitive matters.

Cohen is expected to provide evidence of alleged criminal conduct by Trump since he became president, NBC News said. In addition to his testimony, Cohen will reveal information about Trump's financial statements, according to NBC, citing a source who declined to be named.


The former Trump lawyer and fixer, who is slated to report to federal prison May 6 , will also testify in a closed-door hearing with the House Intelligence Committee on Thursday. The main event of the week will happen Wednesday, however, as Cohen is scheduled to testify in public before the House Oversight Committee.

In testimony this week, Cohen is prepared to describe behind-the-scenes anecdotes about Trump that include lies, racism and cheating as a private businessman when Cohen worked for him for 10 years, NBC News said, citing the source.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    5 years ago

Cohen will testify publicly tomorrow. If he accuses the president* of criminal activity and makes a good impression, it would seem impeachment will be inevitable.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @1    5 years ago
Cohen will testify publicly tomorrow. If he accuses the president* of criminal activity and makes a good impression, it would seem impeachment will be inevitable.

If he had anything impeachable to disclose, those proceedings would already be underway.

Public testimony is theatre.  The real information is in the depositions.

He's going to get up there and tell everybody what a terrible person Trump is.  Some of it will be true.  Some of it will be believable.  It will change zero minds.

 
 
 
katrix
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1.2.2  katrix  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2    5 years ago
He's going to get up there and tell everybody what a terrible person Trump is.  Some of it will be true.  Some of it will be believable.  It will change zero minds.

Exactly.  And if the House investigation under the GOP had been anything more than the joke that it was - conducted by people who think they work directly for Trump rather than for us - this probably wouldn't have even happened.  Investigations by Congress are generally partisan, except for stupid stuff like their investigation into steroid use in the MLB, which isn't anything I think they should be investigating in the first place. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2.3  Jack_TX  replied to    5 years ago
This whole BS situation is to damage Trump for 2020 campaign.

Meh.  I think it's more about pandering to the base.  

The hard irrational left Dem voters want impeachment and they want it yesterday.  Look at ol' John here.  So priority 1 needs to be a good public shaming of DT.  They know they can't impeach him, but they can now go back and not have to worry about being primaried by a loonier, leftier Millennial. 

If this were about 2020, they would keep their powder dry until closer to that election.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2.4  Jack_TX  replied to  katrix @1.2.2    5 years ago

Yes, yes, and more yes.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2.3    5 years ago
The hard irrational left Dem voters want impeachment and they want it yesterday. 

There is nothing wrong with wanting trump out of office immediately. He is a disgrace to his office and doesnt belong there.  I posed a question yesterday to one of our Trumpsters and didnt even get a nibble of an answer.  What makes Trump more presidential than say, Michael Cohen? Anything?  I'm not talking about getting more votes. Theoretically you could train a chimpanzee to get more votes than the other guy. What does Trump do that is "presidential"?  Isn't it not only true, but obvious, that Michael Cohen has acted just as presidential as Donald Trump has? Which is to say not at all.

But Trump will probably not be impeached because the republicans would suffer politically from their "base" if they did throw the bum out.

Hence we get to the problem posed by Trump supporters.  They will support to the end a corrupt , bigoted, ignoramus. 

You guys gotta get yourself out the hole you are in. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to    5 years ago
They gave it their last and best shot

As usual you are confused. This was one of the first shots. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2.8  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.6    5 years ago
There is nothing wrong with wanting trump out of office immediately.

Remember the RWNJs that wanted Obama out of office supposedly based on his birth certificate, but really just because they didn't like him?  They were pathetic.  Don't be like that.

What makes Trump more presidential than say, Michael Cohen? Anything?

The fact that he won the election.

 I'm not talking about getting more votes.

Well it's kind of an important point of distinction.

Theoretically you could train a chimpanzee to get more votes than the other guy.

There is considerable evidence at every level of government to support this theory.

What does Trump do that is "presidential"?

Technically everything he does is presidential.  He is the president.  I don't particularly care for the way be behaves, but he has the job.

But Trump will probably not be impeached because the republicans would suffer politically from their "base" if they did throw the bum out.

He will probably not be impeached because it would be incredibly damaging for Democrats, and the Senate would never vote to remove him if the House did vote to impeach.   Bill Clinton wasn't removed, either.

Hence we get to the problem posed by Trump supporters.

That they don't agree with your Trump hating.  Yes.  We get that.

 They will support to the end a corrupt , bigoted, ignoramus. 

At this point it does not matter who supports whom.  He....has....the ....job.

You guys gotta get yourself out the hole you are in. 

That's a bit laughable.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.9  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2.8    5 years ago

Winning the election doesnt make you "presidential". If Charlie Manson was elected president,  would he be "presidential"?  How about Dennis Rodman? 

ROFL. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2.10  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.9    5 years ago
Winning the election doesnt make you "presidential".

Depends on which definition you use.

If Charlie Manson was elected president,  would he be "presidential"?  How about Dennis Rodman? 

Presidential:  of or pertaining to the president.  So...yeah....they kinda would.

Your point is that Trump does not behave the way other presidents have historically.  You believe this because you are young and don't remember Nixon or LBJ.

You will be pleased to hear that the Trump presidency mirrors both of those in many ways, and both were run out of office prematurely.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.2.11  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2.10    5 years ago
Nixon or LBJ

You put those two in the same place, do you?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2.12  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.2.11    5 years ago
You put those two in the same place, do you?

Pretty close, certainly.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.2.13  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2.12    5 years ago
Pretty close, certainly.

What are your criteria? One resigned the Presidency, to avoid impeachment. The other did not. One was a social liberal, the other was not. How do you see them as "pretty close"?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2.14  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.2.13    5 years ago
What are your criteria? One resigned the Presidency, to avoid impeachment. The other did not. One was a social liberal, the other was not. How do you see them as "pretty close"?

Both were liars and crooks whose presidencies ended in disgrace.  LBJ agreed not to run for re-election.  Nixon resigned to avoid impeachment.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.2.15  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2.14    5 years ago
LBJ agreed not to run for re-election. Nixon resigned to avoid impeachment.

Do your see those as "pretty close"? Johnson was in political trouble, but not at all in legal trouble. Nixon was deep in both.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2.16  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.2.15    5 years ago
Do your see those as "pretty close"? Johnson was in political trouble, but not at all in legal trouble. Nixon was deep in both.

I see the men as pretty close.  And I see Trump as pretty close to both.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.2.17  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2.16    5 years ago

Don't Nixon's criminal actions put him in a different category than Johnson, who never had legal problems?

Simply put, one was a criminal, the other was not.

Trump has gone far beyond them, both within the law and outside it.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2.18  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.2.17    5 years ago
Don't Nixon's criminal actions put him in a different category than Johnson, who never had legal problems?

If that's your litmus test, Clinton was worse than both.

Simply put, one was a criminal, the other was not.

Who was convicted?

Trump has gone far beyond them, both within the law and outside it.

No he hasn't.  He's just more recent.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.2.19  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2.18    5 years ago
If that's your litmus test, Clinton was worse than both.

Do you think so? What did Clinton do that was so terrible?

For. your other two sentences... you don't expect to be taken seriously, so I won't.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2.20  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.2.19    5 years ago
Do you think so?  What did Clinton do that was so terrible?

It's your definition.  Clinton was actually impeached for perjury.  Nixon never was.

For. your other two sentences... you don't expect to be taken seriously, so I won't.

Translated:  You disagree but can't defend your position so you make a passive-aggressive statement and hope nobody notices.  Again.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.2.21  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2.20    5 years ago

It's a pity, Jack. Again and again, I hear your intelligence, and try to start a conversation with you. And then it goes south.

Oh well ... maybe some other time.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2.22  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.2.21    5 years ago
and try to start a conversation with you

No you don't.  You merely attempt backhanded insults.  

And then it goes south.

Yes.  You seem to insist upon it.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.2.25  Bob Nelson  replied to  dennis smith @1.2.24    5 years ago

Nixon stayed out of jail only because Ford pardoned him.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @1    5 years ago
If he accuses the president* of criminal activity and makes a good impression, it would seem impeachment will be inevitable.

That's rich.  A man already convicted of lying to congress to make a good impression.  The "inevitable impeachment" even more laughable.  

And just as expected.  Cohen come in flapping his gums and lied yet again.  

 
 
 
luther28
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2  luther28    5 years ago

Cohen is prepared to describe behind-the-scenes anecdotes about Trump that include lies, racism and cheating as a private businessman

In other words, nothing that anyone paying attention already is aware of.

As to the inevitability of impeachment, be careful what one wishes for. First of all, should he hopefully only muster one term, it would be over prior to impeachment proceedings concluding. I am for letting his term run it's course (don't forget you have Mr. Pence warming up in the bull pen, not a whole lot better in my estimation) and allow him to be prosecuted at the State level where he is more likely ( though not very likely) to actually serve time if convicted. But secondly and of greater importance is that in our severely fractured political landscape of the moment just may come tumbling down on all of us. Don't forget John you have folks out there that are currently fomenting Civil War at this time, impeachment just might be the spark that lights the fire.

Let him serve out his term, hope that the voters get off their arses and show up on election day and that the Dems give us a realistic reason to vote for them, other than their not Trump.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  luther28 @2    5 years ago

I think you have to do the right thing. If he is a criminal (duh!) the process for having him held responsible for that should be begun. I agree that the clock may run out before he is actually impeached.

As a nation, we have been mollycoddlling this clown for far too long already.

 
 
 
luther28
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2.1.1  luther28  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    5 years ago

Should they proceed and manage to impeach Him, what will occur in the final analysis, He will be removed from office ( Pence will take his place, :() and he will be considered shamed ( not that Mr. Trump knows any shame).

By allowing him to serve his term he can then be prosecuted at the State level, found guilty and cast down amongst the sodomites of the general prison population and we forgo the agony of a Pence presidency. That would be justice in my opinion.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  luther28 @2.1.1    5 years ago

You may be right, but what if they dont impeach him now and he gets re-elected? You cant then go back and impeach him in 2021 (That WOULD be considered sour grapes. )

I'm not afraid of Pence, if he did ascend to the presidency he would be almost a persona non grata. He has licked trump's boots and behind so much that he would be a disgraced and weak president for the year or so he was in office.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    5 years ago
As a nation, we have been mollycoddlling this clown for far too long already.

Due process, John.

If we violate legal standards, Trump has won.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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2.2  Studiusbagus  replied to  luther28 @2    5 years ago

If he is allowed to serve his term we commit secret service for him and family 24/ 7/365 and we have to pay him. And medically treat him free for the rest of his life.

 
 
 
katrix
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3  katrix    5 years ago

Impeachment wouldn't necessarily lead to removal from office anyway.  It's highly unlikely we'd have the majority necessary for that even if impeachment succeeded. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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5  1stwarrior    5 years ago

Okay - Cohen who has been indicted and charged with lying to Congress, while under oath, on numerous occasions, is now going to be believed about Trump's transgressions?

Typical sleaze bag attorney - should have stuck with chasing ambulances.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @5    5 years ago

Hmm, he pled guilty to lying on Trump's behalf. So we can assume when he was speaking on behalf of Trump's innocence he was lying. He's going to PRISON FOR THAT.

Logic would dictate that when he says Trump is guilty, he is not lying, based on what has happened. 

 
 
 
Rmando
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5.1.1  Rmando  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    5 years ago

I just presume Cohen is lying every time he moves his lips. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Rmando @5.1.1    5 years ago

Trump is a far bigger liar than Cohen is, so when they have two versions of the same thing, Cohen is more believable.

Trump would be in a better spot if he wasnt a habitual, pathetic liar, totally unethical , and completely corrupt. But the horse is out of the barn on all that.

 
 
 
Rmando
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5.1.3  Rmando  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    5 years ago

Cohen is headed to jail for perjury. So far all the investigating by Mueller and the Dems have proved nothing illegal against Trump. I'll take Trump over Cohen any day.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Rmando @5.1.3    5 years ago
So far all the investigating by Mueller and the Dems have proved nothing illegal against Trump. I'll take Trump over Cohen any day.

So are you claiming that you have seen the Mueller report?  What will you say when the report comes out, but the Trump administration refuses to release it?  The only reason for not releasing it is to hide something in it.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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5.1.5  KDMichigan  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.4    5 years ago
What will you say when the report comes out, but the Trump administration refuses to release it?  The only reason for not releasing it is to hide something in it.

FFS triggered snowflakes in the democratic party have been releasing shit on Trump since he was elected. What makes you think they would refrain from that now.

What will you say when the Mueller report says there was no collusion, Or better yet that President Trump didn't intentionally collude.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.6  Split Personality  replied to  Rmando @5.1.3    5 years ago

They may end up with a special unit at Club Fed, for Cohen, Butina, Matt Gaetz and various Trump family members.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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5.1.7  Studiusbagus  replied to  KDMichigan @5.1.5    5 years ago
Or better yet that President Trump didn't intentionally collude.  

That one's going to be hard to swallow.

Why would Trump send his attorney through Germany to discreetly meet Russians in Prague?

Why on earth did Trump write Jr.'s excuse for the Russian meeting?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  Studiusbagus @5.1.7    5 years ago
hy would Trump send his attorney through Germany to discreetly meet Russians in Prague?

He didn't.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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5.1.9  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.8    5 years ago

Prove it

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.9    5 years ago

Ask the Feds. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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5.1.11  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.10    5 years ago

I believe they already know

a lot more truths about scumbag, family, and administration, than they've divulged

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.1.12  Ozzwald  replied to  KDMichigan @5.1.5    5 years ago
What will you say when the Mueller report says there was no collusion, Or better yet that President Trump didn't intentionally collude.  

Moving the goalposts?  Mueller was to discover collusion (conspiracy) between Russia and Trump's campaign, not limited to Trump only.

FFS triggered snowflakes in the democratic party have been releasing shit on Trump since he was elected.

Mueller has not released anything other than court filings that were required by law, the VAST majority of Trump leaks came from the Whitehouse.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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5.1.13  Studiusbagus  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.10    5 years ago
Ask the Feds. 

Why not you? You are the one that replied he didn't.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.14  Sean Treacy  replied to  Studiusbagus @5.1.13    5 years ago

If he did, why didn’t he admit lying about it to Congress?

you are aware he flippped and publicly admitted the lies he told under oath to congress, right? 

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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5.1.15  Studiusbagus  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.14    5 years ago

Nice way of trying to escape your comment.

I asked why he sent his attorney to Germany and then show up in another shengen country?

You boldly said hr didn't,  you were asked to back it up.

So far...ZERO.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.16  Sean Treacy  replied to  Studiusbagus @5.1.15    5 years ago

Escaping it?  You are the one who told an  falsehood, hopefully out of ignorance, not me.  You really  shouldn’t be parroting Propaganda obtained from putins cronies.

Please look at real evidence..

Read Cohens congressional testimony.

read what lies Cohen admitted to telling congress.

see if he was charged with lying about not going to Prague.

unless, of course, you don’t think it would be important for mueller to have Cohen admit  he secretly met with Russians to steal an election. 

But by ,all means provide any information from Mueller  or the SDNY alleging cohen “met with Russians.”

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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5.1.17  Studiusbagus  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.16    5 years ago
unless, of course, you don’t think it would be important for mueller to have Cohen admit  he secretly met with Russians to steal an election. 

Did I say anything about him going there to plot stealing the election?

Nope, that's on your imagination.

The facts are he entered through Germany, his phone pinged in Prague, and the back door started to chatter over the lines that Cohen was identified as being there and meeting with the Russians.

Have you heard anything from Mueller? No, none of us have. Why you try to use that is beyond logic.

So far I have sightings, pings and a port of entry...you say "no he didn't" and in usual form have danced around with anything but confirming your comment.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.18  Sean Treacy  replied to  Studiusbagus @5.1.17    5 years ago
ve you heard anything from Mueller?

Yes.  He got Cohen to admit to lying to Congress and detailed those  lies in his plea agreement. Look it up.   

So, in your world,  having Cohen admit to lying about not going to Prague to meet with Russians  is something that Mueller overlooked or couldn't be bothered with.  

Just use a sprinkling of common sense and  think about what you are arguing for a second.  

o far I have sightings, pings and a port of en

You have unsubstantiated rumors based on propaganda from Russian officials. I have sworn testimony, vetted by Mueller.  And, of course, his sworn testimony yesterday that he's never been to Prague. 

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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5.1.19  Studiusbagus  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.18    5 years ago

Okay...I looked. There's a bunch of both out there..."Mueller has evidence..." And "Cohen testifies...."

I'll wait on the report.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.20  Sean Treacy  replied to  Studiusbagus @5.1.19    5 years ago
Mueller has evidence..." And "Cohen testifies...

Mueller has already prosecuted Cohen for false testimony in 2017. During his testimony that was the basis for Mueller's prosecution, Cohen said this:

"A core accusation was that I had traveled to Prague to meet with Russians regarding interfering with the election.
I have never in my life been to Prague or to anywhere in the Czech Republic. I might also add that I only have one passport (a United States Passport). I have to say that to you today - that I only have one passport - because another media outlet suggested that - as a Jew - I must also have an Israeli passport!
Aside from such an allegation being incredibly offensive, it is also totally wrong.
Let me tell you where I was on the day the dossier said I was in Prague.
I was in Los Angeles with my son who dreams of playing division 1 baseball next year at a prestigious university like USC. We were visiting the campus, meeting with various coaches, and discussing his future. Media sources have been able to confirm these facts and I can provide you with proof."
Please review the lies Mueller documented and prosecuted Cohen for from this testimony.  Mueller details the lies Cohen admitted to.  Why, do you imagine, Mueller didn't prosecute him for this statement if was lying?
Why, also, do you imagine Cohen would testify to Congress, yet again this week, that he's never been to Prague?
In what world would Cohen destroy his usefulness to Mueller and face additional jail time by brazenly lying yet again, to Congress?
 
 
 
Rmando
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6  Rmando    5 years ago

So this guy is the linchpin on which the left hopes to get rid of Trump? It'd be funny if it wasn't such a waste of time and tax dollars. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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6.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Rmando @6    5 years ago
"this guy"

... was Trump's personal lawyer for many years...

 
 
 
Rmando
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6.1.1  Rmando  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1    5 years ago

Now Cohen is disbarred and a proven liar and has every incentive to make up things about Trump.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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6.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Rmando @6.1.1    5 years ago

Of course. That's the point. He's a sleazeball... whom Trump kept as his personal lawyer for a decade.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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6.1.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1.2    5 years ago
He's a sleazeball... whom Trump kept as his personal lawyer for a deca

What kind of sleezball would do that ...?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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6.1.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1.3    5 years ago

You have a point.

Being Trump's personal lawyer for a decade is solid proof of sleaziness.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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6.1.5  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1.4    5 years ago

only a sleazball would employ another sleazball for a decade, but I believe one, Trumpps the other.

I believe Cohen , in this situation, is far more believable.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1.5    5 years ago

Cohen is already going to jail for 3 years.  There is no point in lying now.  He knows better.  

I believe Cohen.  I don't believe one word out of the turd in chief's mouth, not one.  

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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6.1.8  Studiusbagus  replied to    5 years ago
So you always believed Cohen?

Did she say that?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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7  1stwarrior    5 years ago

Asked by reporters Tuesday what he hopes to hear from Cohen, Senate Intelligence Committee chairman Richard Burr, R-N.C., replied: “Truth.” But Burr added that Cohen has got a questionable track record , when asked if he could believe Cohen or not .

Pretty well sums it up, eh?

 
 
 
katrix
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7.1  katrix  replied to  1stwarrior @7    5 years ago

Trump is a proven liar as well.

So ... liar vs. liar.  Which one do we believe?

 
 
 
katrix
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7.1.2  katrix  replied to  Release The Kraken @7.1.1    5 years ago

Trump lies far more than any politician we've seen before. That's been documented.   Also, his ethics and fraud issues go back for decades ... I'm not sure even Cohen could top Trump's dishonesty.

I don't fawn over any candidates.  I'm not a fan of politicians in general.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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7.1.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  Release The Kraken @7.1.1    5 years ago
I think every politician we've ever elected specializes in lying.

Both sides do it!!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.1.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Release The Kraken @7.1.4    5 years ago

I think it's pretty obvious who the biggest liar is

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Release The Kraken @7.1.4    5 years ago

Saying that all politicians lie equally is a lie itself.

It is "both sides" ism, and is more than a little responsible for the state of the country.  There are very few problems or issues where "both sides" are equally ,or even close to equally, at fault.

 
 
 
katrix
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7.1.7  katrix  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1.5    5 years ago
I think it's pretty obvious who the biggest liar is

It is obvious and well documented.  Trump is a pathological liar, far worse than any other politician.  I think he's a bigger liar than Cohen, as well ... although Cohen is certainly no prize.  But in this case I will take Cohen's word over Trump's.  I don't think it's possible to take Trump's word for anything at all.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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7.1.9  Bob Nelson  replied to  Release The Kraken @7.1.4    5 years ago

"rife"

 
 
 
katrix
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7.1.10  katrix  replied to    5 years ago
hopefully the truth will out. TBD

Hard to figure out how that will happen, with two serial liars.  For everyone like me who thinks Cohen is more credible, there will be someone who thinks Trump is more credible.  We shall see how this all goes down, and what evidence is presented.  If it's all "he said, he said" it's going to be tough.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.1.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  katrix @7.1.10    5 years ago

If Cohen can remember that he can be charged with perjury and obstruction of justice in addition to his other charges....

.....but that can be kinda hard when one has been a criminal for the last 30 years

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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7.1.14  Studiusbagus  replied to  katrix @7.1    5 years ago
liar vs. liar.  Which one do we believe?

I'll take the liar that kept meticulous records and recordings long before the FBI walking in....

Trump has already been busted by Cohen's records.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.6    5 years ago

I get so sick of that both sides shit - when it comes to this administration - there is no contest - the most corrupt administration with this turd Rump - in history.  Lies, lies, and more lies.  Nothing but lies from the turd and the corrupt gop administration supports the turd.  

I won't name names but there's a new both sides suck poster here.  Says the democrat party needs to go.  This is revolution he says.  Cuckoo for cocoa puffs.  

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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7.1.16  Studiusbagus  replied to  Bob Nelson @7.1.9    5 years ago

That's "rife", that's what the people saaaay...

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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7.1.17  Bob Nelson  replied to  Studiusbagus @7.1.16    5 years ago
That's "rife", that's what the people saaaay...

Ah, Frank....

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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7.1.18  Studiusbagus  replied to  Bob Nelson @7.1.17    5 years ago

Sorry, just "popped" in tomy head when I saw that.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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7.1.19  Bob Nelson  replied to  Studiusbagus @7.1.18    5 years ago

Shoobe doobe dooooo......

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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7.1.20  Studiusbagus  replied to  Bob Nelson @7.1.19    5 years ago
Shoobe doobe dooooo......

Ugh! You're killing me! 

I am such a victim of musical earworms sometimes....

I read that in the middle of the night...woke up this morning and found myself immersed in Frank.

Even grabbed my wife and swung her around while singing "Annnnnd I've got you...under my skin...and I want you....under..."........AHHHHH SHIT!

Thanks, it's a great way to start a day.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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7.1.21  Bob Nelson  replied to  Studiusbagus @7.1.20    5 years ago

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Krishna
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7.1.22  Krishna  replied to  katrix @7.1.10    5 years ago

We shall see how this all goes down, and what evidence is presented. 

This evidence was presented:

512

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
8  It Is ME    5 years ago

Now that Cohen is going to be  behind closed doors in front of "Politicians" .....He "Promises" to tell the Truth, the whole Truth and Nothing But the Truth, so help him GOD ! jrSmiley_90_smiley_image.gif

This should go well. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

What's he going to prison for again ? jrSmiley_19_smiley_image.gif

an·ec·dote
[ˈanəkˌdōt]

NOUN
anecdotes (plural noun)
........... an account regarded as unreliable or hearsay .

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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8.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  It Is ME @8    5 years ago

Yes, Republicans don't want to hear the truth, they'll do everything possible to muddy Cohens testimony. Sure, he no longer has any reason to lie and he has every reason to be truthful, but that won't phase Republicans, they've already made up their minds not to believe Cohen. It doesn't matter that the man they are defending can't seem to tell the truth if his life depended on it, they believe Trump and vilify Trumps old lawyer simply because the lawyer is no longer loyal to Trump. Trump even said he knew nothing about the payments to keep his whores quiet but then was caught on tape knowingly being informed about the payments. But none of that matters to those who've already sewn their lips to the human Trumpipede, now all they can do is close their eyes and hope the shit they're swallowing is what their God wanted of them as their imagined savior Trump told them it was.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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8.1.5  It Is ME  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1    5 years ago
Yes, Republicans don't want to hear the truth, they'll do everything possible to muddy Cohens testimony.

Nothing like a Liberal type SUPPORTING the "USE" of a convicted "LIAR" as "Truth" …..behind closed doors no less..... to further their own little agenda, then claiming Republicans don't want to hear the truth. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
katrix
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8.1.9  katrix  replied to    5 years ago

Agreed.   Since the article is about what Cohen is expected to say about Trump, and it's a fair assumption that Trump is going to deny it, THAT is the real "which truth is the truth and which lie is the lie?"

 
 
 
katrix
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8.1.11  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @8.1.10    5 years ago

That's the problem.  Since they're both major liars, how are we (well, not "we" - "we" don't get a vote) supposed to decide which liar is telling the truth here?  If they disagree, one of them is lying and the other is actually telling the truth for once.  Nothing is going to save Cohen's ass at this point, so I think he'd be more likely to tell the truth - he has nothing to lose now - but that's just my personal opinion and has no legal bearing.

I don't think this will be like one of those logic puzzles where it's that easy to figure out.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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8.1.13  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XDm9mm @8.1.1    5 years ago
How is anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together going to be able to determine which "truth" is the truth and which "lie" is the lie?

Well you see, investigators collect evidence and confront the liar about their lies as they did Cohen. That's how we know he lied, because Mueller and his team know the truth. Now that the liar knows they know, why would he publicly lie before congress? How do you view Oliver North by the way? Was his being a lying sack okay because he did it for a Republican President? And should congress have believed his later testimony when he claimed he was telling the truth about the Iran Contra scandal?

The truth will out as they say, and there's is nothing that Trump or the GOP can do about it. This disaster of an administration is in its death throws, it just refuses to concede till its last gurgling breath.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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8.1.14  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  It Is ME @8.1.5    5 years ago
Nothing like a Liberal type SUPPORTING the "USE" of a convicted "LIAR" as "Truth" …..behind closed doors no less..... to further their own little agenda, then claiming Republicans don't want to hear the tr

So I take it you don't believe anyone should be in prison if they at first denied committing a crime but then later confessed, right? They're liars so we can't believe their confession right? The police should just let them walk free, right?

The reason that doesn't happen is because their testimony is NOT the only evidence used to prove the veracity of their confession. Investigators get details and physical evidence that can corroborate the confession and bring the whole case before the judge and jury, not just the confession. The same goes in this case, now that he's been caught in his lies trying to protect the number one scumbag in America Donald Trump, the evidence and his statements can give us an accurate picture of Trumps crimes regardless of how deep his sycophant followers stick their heads in the sand.

 
 
 
katrix
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8.1.16  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @8.1.12    5 years ago

On the other hand, Cohen is probably a little shaken up by what happened to Manafort and starting to realize the impact of lying under oath.  Trump isn't under oath so his lies don't pose nearly the same danger to him at this point.  People like them don't seem to realize how bad lying is until there is a real, direct threat to them.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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8.1.17  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XDm9mm @8.1.15    5 years ago
And what was he convicted of?

" five counts of tax fraud, one count of falsifying financial statements, one count of unlawful corporate contributions, and one count of excessive campaign contributions" "Cohen also pleaded guilty to the special counsel’s charge of lying to Congress about an abandoned deal to build a Trump Tower in Moscow."

" Lying about what he lied about."

No, it was a lot more than that as I just pointed out.

" Think about it for a minute"

Think about your misstatement or intentional deflection? Why? There's no validity in it so why think about it longer than it takes to debunk it?

 
 
 
It Is ME
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8.1.18  It Is ME  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1.14    5 years ago
So I take it you don't believe anyone should be in prison if they at first denied committing a crime but then later confessed, right?

THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT FROM MY COMMENT ?

Honest ?

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WOW ! jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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8.1.19  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  It Is ME @8.1.18    5 years ago
THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT FROM MY COMMENT ?

Claiming we can't trust the word of a convicted liar does imply that anyone who lied to police or investigators then later changed their testimony can't ever be trusted yet their confessions are regularly used against them as proof of guilt. So which is it? Can we never trust another thing that comes from a persons mouth if they have ever been caught in a lie before? Are you claiming you've never lied thus we can trust every word you say here? Why dismiss the testimony before you've even heard it? Why not do what everyone else is doing and make the judgement after hearing his testimony?

After watching some this morning it's very apparent that Republican legislators are crapping themselves with fear right now. They are trying everything to delay, derail, deflect and disparage Cohens testimony not because they believe it inconsistent with who they know the President to be, but because it is consistent and they can't let their naked Emperor be exposed before they get their agenda in place. Once they stack the courts with conservatives, get all the regulations their corporate masters wanted gutted and slit the throat of the EPA and consumer protection bureau, Republicans are going to throw Trump under the bus. He is merely a means to an end for them, the wrecking ball they felt they needed to employ to destroy what they see as the secularization of America. That's why there's nothing Cohen can say that would change their minds and they'd rather convince themselves its a lie that to accept a truth that would damage their political party.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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8.1.20  It Is ME  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1.19    5 years ago
After watching some this morning it's very apparent that Republican legislators are crapping themselves with fear right now.

The Democrats aren't rebutting anything the Republicans are saying.....not one bit. You must be watching some "Twilight TV" if you hadn't noticed !

In FACT....The Republicans are putting out FACTS that rebut the Democrats "Your a great guy Mr. Cohen".....and the Democrats NEVER re-but the Republicans Facts they throw back at them. They just Sulk in their chairs with nothing left to say !

This "Cohen" Guy is even lying now, as IS being pointed out by the Republicans time and again.

Again.....Democrats aren't rebutting the Republicans AT ALL.

THIS is just a Liberal "SHOW"  that just makes them look Dumber than they've come across before, with their "Could Be" crap !!

 
 
 
It Is ME
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8.1.21  It Is ME  replied to  It Is ME @8.1.20    5 years ago

Cohen sounds AS Dumb.....or DUMBER.....than McCabe !

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
8.1.22  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  It Is ME @8.1.20    5 years ago
The Democrats aren't rebutting anything the Republicans are saying.....not one bit.

No, they are giving them as much rope as they want.

"THIS is just a Liberal "SHOW"  that just makes them look Dumber than they've come across before, with their "Could Be" crap !!"

A "show" would be more than 8 partisan investigations into Benghazi and turning up nothing. The investigations going on now have turned up criminals under every rock at Trump INC. Dozens of indictments, guilty pleas and convictions but Republicans keep trying to say "Nothing to see here!"...

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
8.1.23  It Is ME  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1.22    5 years ago
No, they are giving them as much rope as they want.

The Democrats have NOTHING.....That's all. Nothing more and Nothing less, and trying to bang on the Benghazi drum again, doesn't make Liberal Types look any better !

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
8.1.24  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1.19    5 years ago
They are trying everything to delay, derail, deflect and disparage Cohens testimony not because they believe it inconsistent with who they know the President to be, but because it is consistent and they can't let their naked Emperor be exposed before they get their agenda in place.

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Raven Wing
Professor Guide
8.1.25  Raven Wing  replied to  katrix @8.1.16    5 years ago
People like them don't seem to realize how bad lying is until there is a real, direct threat to them.

Oh but there is a direct threat to them. It's called Donald J Trump. They are just too blind, stupid or too scared, to admit it. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.1.26  Tessylo  replied to    5 years ago
'Exactly...or does your comment only apply to Cohen?

Only to Cohen

The turd in chief can do no wrong!  He farts glitter and rainbows!  His shit don't stink!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.1.27  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1.17    5 years ago
'Think about your misstatement or intentional deflection? Why? There's no validity in it so why think about it longer than it takes to debunk it?'

That's all he's got!

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
8.1.30  It Is ME  replied to  dennis smith @8.1.28    5 years ago
The dems are insuring Trump will be reelected by their Hate Trump Derangement

Yep !

And the Liberals aren't worried about putting "Anti-Semites, "Capitalist hating" and "Campaign Finance Law breakers" OUT FRONT of the party !

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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8.2  Studiusbagus  replied to  It Is ME @8    5 years ago

Funny how some will purposely leave out details that would blow their implication...

Anecdote

a short amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person.
"told anecdotes about his job"
synonyms: storytalenarrativesketch
 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9  seeder  JohnRussell    5 years ago

(Matt Gaetz is a Trump bootlicking GOP congressman)  -JR

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Matt Gaetz Verified account   @ mattgaetz

Hey @ MichaelCohen212 - Do your wife & father-in-law know about your girlfriends? Maybe tonight would be a good time for that chat. I wonder if she’ll remain faithful when you’re in prison. She’s about to learn a lot...

14,956 replies 1,562 retweets 3,071 likes

Are you freaken serious? Do you not understand that this is clear witness tampering? What are you so afraid of? Why are you trying to intimidate the man on the eve of his public testimony?

32 replies 211 retweets 1,360 likes

This is probably one of the lowest things I have ever seen a Congressmen do. There needs to be an outcry over this tweet. If there isn't I will make sure there is! You are one SCARED man!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @9    5 years ago

So we have a GOP congressman who had his lips surgically sealed to Trump's ass attempting to tamper with the testimony of a witness before the US Congress.

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Bob Nelson
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10  Bob Nelson    5 years ago

The topic is premature. Cohen has said everything and its opposite. We need to wait for him to be under oath... not that I think a little perjury would bother him.

If he testifies as foreseen, then we must wait for Trump's lawyers' reaction...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Bob Nelson @10    5 years ago

What is interesting is that most of what Cohen will say has already been reported in other stories, yet trump nation is freaking out. 

Everyone and his dog knows Trump is a piece of shit, yet we are supposed to maintain this pretense that everything is allright.

It's a sad time for our country. We are suffering from a plague.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1    5 years ago
... yet trump nation is freaking out.

It's fascinating.

Part of the frenzy is a forlorn last ditch attempt to prevent the inevitable, even by those who are perfectly conscious, intellectually, of what is about to come down. But also, we have at least one True Believer, whose cognitive dissonance must be unbearable... a path to folly in the traditional sense.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Bob Nelson @10.1.1    5 years ago

I have Chuck Todd's show on the tv. He just had a report from one of the NBC congressional correspondents who got a word from Sen. Mark Warner , the Democrat who is the ranking member of the committee Cohen just finished testifying before.  Warner said that he has believed that the Russian investigation is the most important thing he has been involved in since he has been in Congress, and what Cohen said today has not changed his belief about that. Somewhat cryptic allusion that Cohen said something important to the Senate Intelligence committee today.   We shall see.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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10.1.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.2    5 years ago

The Manchurian Candidate ...

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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10.1.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1    5 years ago
It's a sad time for our country. We are suffering from a plague

Yes,   it is.

.

The really FUCKED UP Part, is posters willing to accept this piece of trash, cause I at one time thought IGNORANCE was the plague,

Now

it looks like a mix between Denial and just knowing Trumpp has Fucked over our country, and somehow, being able to still accept it.

Well, FUCK THAT !

.

Trumpp pisses on the graves of all the Truly Great Men & Women who sacrificed Life and Limb to create and protect the USA.

A lying Basturd with Putins hand up his ass...

Defenders of Trumpp the Treasonous Traitor should ponder that, and think long and hard about the SCUM you're defending.

For WHAT ?   For WHO ?

Again  WTF            We're All supposed to be Americans FIRST       

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
10.1.6  igknorantzrulz  replied to    5 years ago

I make no sense...????

as

U

support the Lying, Cheating, Corrupted, Racist, Conman sitting in OUR White House ?

Think on that Wally

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.1.7  Bob Nelson  replied to  igknorantzrulz @10.1.6    5 years ago

That does make sense ...

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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10.1.9  Raven Wing  replied to    5 years ago
You make no sense.

Wrong. He makes total sense if one wants to actually read what he said instead of trying to just find fault with it.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
10.1.10  Raven Wing  replied to    5 years ago
Allegations only, not a scintilla of proof has been offered,

Sure there has been. He cheated on his now wife, and all the others. He lies every time he opens his mouth at some point. His connections with his so called College in FL shows he is a conman. His racist remarks are well documented in his own tweets.

Only someone who chooses to turn a blind eye would deny any of those.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.1.11  Bob Nelson  replied to  Raven Wing @10.1.10    5 years ago

He is God's anointed.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
10.1.12  arkpdx  replied to  Raven Wing @10.1.10    5 years ago
He cheated on his now wife,

Did seem to bother you the liberals when one of their presidents did that, I in fact they blamed the women he was with. Why is it different now? 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
10.1.13  Raven Wing  replied to  arkpdx @10.1.12    5 years ago
Why is it different now? 

It isn't at all different. Infidelity committed by anyone is never acceptable. Stop trying to play your little game of "Well he did it too", as it makes you look a bit prejudice, as well as rather juvenile.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
10.1.14  Raven Wing  replied to  Bob Nelson @10.1.11    5 years ago
He is God's anointed.

Maybe by his God, but, not by mine. Mine has much more intelligence than that.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
10.1.15  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Raven Wing @10.1.14    5 years ago

You know, of course, that Bob's comment was not called for, ridiculous and insulting, if not worse than that - so why would you disparage the God of more than one major world religion?  Do you really feel that your God is superior?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.1.16  Bob Nelson  replied to  Raven Wing @10.1.14    5 years ago
Mine has much more intelligence than that.

A stone has more intelligence than that... and yet there are millions of Americans who believe it. Where does that leave them??

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Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.1.17  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @10.1.15    5 years ago
Bob's comment was not called for

Why do you say that?

Are you unaware that American Evangelicals have gone so far over the top that they are now proclaiming Trump to be God's chosen?

Do you consider this phenomenon to be innocuous?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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10.1.18  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Bob Nelson @10.1.17    5 years ago

Why was it necessary for you to feed into that?

You have no idea how painful it is for me to see a Jewish lawyer as a criminal.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.1.19  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @10.1.18    5 years ago
You have no idea how painful it is for me to see a Jewish lawyer as a criminal.

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.1.20  Tessylo  replied to    5 years ago

He makes perfect sense.  It takes intelligence, common sense, and a little creativity.  

Sad so many lack this.  

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
10.1.21  JBB  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @10.1.18    5 years ago

Is Benjamin Netanyahu a lawyer? He is about to b e criminally indicted...

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
10.1.22  Raven Wing  replied to  Bob Nelson @10.1.16    5 years ago
Where does that leave them??

At rock bottom.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
10.1.23  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JBB @10.1.21    5 years ago

I don't know.  Why don't you publish a list of criminal Jewish lawyers?  Would that make you happy?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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10.1.25  igknorantzrulz  replied to  dennis smith @10.1.24    5 years ago

ive seen demonstratives of all of the above, and you have not ? C'mon, where is the luv ?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
10.1.28  igknorantzrulz  replied to  dennis smith @10.1.27    5 years ago

If U need proof of Trump lying, our condolences

 
 
 
cms5
Freshman Quiet
11  cms5    5 years ago

This is pure desperation and reaching low into the cesspool to dig up some dirt. Cohen is a proven and convicted liar. Unless there is any corroboration to anything this idiot says...it's all fodder for the rags you can read at the checkout.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
11.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  cms5 @11    5 years ago
This is pure desperation and reaching low into the cesspool to dig up some dirt. Cohen is a proven and convicted liar.

Cohen was Trump's personal lawyer for a decade. Either Trump did not notice that Cohen is a sleazeball - his personal lawyer! - or Trump was happy to have a sleazeball so close. Either way ....

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
11.1.1  arkpdx  replied to  Bob Nelson @11.1    5 years ago

Sleazeball and lawyer are synonyms of each other. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
11.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  arkpdx @11.1.1    5 years ago
Sleazeball and lawyer are synonyms of each other.

Really? That's the sum of your "thinking", here?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
11.1.3  Raven Wing  replied to  Bob Nelson @11.1    5 years ago
or Trump was happy to have a sleazeball so close. 

A sleezeball always likes to have a sleezeball as his legal rep, as it makes it easier for the head sleezseball to control the lower sleezeball. And when the lower sleezeball gets caught, the head sleezeball can deny havng any knowledge about anything. 

It's called....CYA. Every head sleezeball needs to have a fall guy to take the blame. It's like the Mafia rule of law. And DJT seems to be an expert at it.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
11.1.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Bob Nelson @11.1.2    5 years ago

I think arkpdx is merely echoing Shakespeare's sentiments when he said in Henry IV Part 2 "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers".

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
11.1.5  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @11.1.4    5 years ago

There is some truth to that.   jrSmiley_19_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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11.3  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  cms5 @11    5 years ago
This is pure desperation and reaching low into the cesspool to dig up some dirt. Cohen is a proven and convicted liar. Unless there is any corroboration to anything this idiot says..

Funny thing here, you are giving the same "defense" that the Republicans gave yesterday in the hearing, none, except to try to further damage Cohen, attack Cohen to protect Trump because, there is no defense for what Trump has done. Think for a minute, Trump surrounded himself with crooks and, liars but, he isn't guilty of anything, he knew nothing of what they were doing? Mr. Deal Maker, Mr. I've Got My fingers in everything I own? Really? Do you really believe that?

 
 
 
cms5
Freshman Quiet
11.3.1  cms5  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @11.3    5 years ago
Funny thing here, you are giving the same "defense" that the Republicans gave yesterday in the hearing, none, except to try to further damage Cohen, attack Cohen to protect Trump because, there is no defense for what Trump has done.

There is absolutely no reason or need to 'defend' any statement made by an admitted and convicted liar who is more than willing to make it appear that their troubles belong to someone else.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
Sophomore Participates
11.3.3  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  cms5 @11.3.1    5 years ago
There is absolutely no reason or need to 'defend' any statement made by an admitted and convicted liar who is more than willing to make it appear that their troubles belong to someone else.

Except when that admitted liar comes with hard evidence of what he is claiming. Why do you think he has a rolling briefcase with him when he comes to testify and, doesn't have it when he sits at the witness table to speak? He's giving documents to the committee to look at while he is talking about what Trump has done and, what Trump asked him to do.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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11.3.4  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  dennis smith @11.3.2    5 years ago
Cohen has damaged himself more than anyone else could possibly do.

I'll not totally disagree with this statement except to say that Trump has damaged himself more than Cohen with all the lies he has told since he began seeking the presidency.

 
 
 
cms5
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11.3.5  cms5  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @11.3.3    5 years ago
Except when that admitted liar comes with hard evidence of what he is claiming. Why do you think he has a rolling briefcase with him when he comes to testify and, doesn't have it when he sits at the witness table to speak? He's giving documents to the committee to look at while he is talking about what Trump has done and, what Trump asked him to do.

What 'he' claims is 'hard evidence' doesn't make it so.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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11.3.6  Tessylo  replied to  cms5 @11.3.5    5 years ago
'What 'he' claims is 'hard evidence' doesn't make it so.'

That's foolish.  All that hard evidence has been entered into the record.  

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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11.3.7  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  cms5 @11.3.5    5 years ago
What 'he' claims is 'hard evidence' doesn't make it so.

Let's face it, people like you wouldn't accept a sworn statement from Trump saying he committed crimes while in office no, I don't have one of those to present but, even if I did you wouldn't accept it. He has presented a number of checks signed by Trump that are payments for keeping women quiet, he has presented tapes of conversations with Trump outlining how to keep these women quiet. Cohen has also presented evidence of the "Russia deal" to members of Congress and, to Mueller. The SDNY is still investigating all the evidence that Cohen has given them and, they are still using him to build a case against the Trump organization. So, what does this tell me? It tells me that if those attorneys at the SDNY think that it is hard evidence then it is.

 
 
 
cms5
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11.3.8  cms5  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @11.3.7    5 years ago

I think a judge should make the determination as to what evidence might be admissible in a trial, and the jury can give proper weight to said 'evidence'. Those same jurors would also be tasked with determining the credibility of the witness - Cohen.

Cohen's testimony to Congress was as beneficial as it would be to call Casey Anthony to babysit your children.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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11.3.9  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  cms5 @11.3.8    5 years ago
Cohen's testimony to Congress was as beneficial as it would be to call Casey Anthony to babysit your children.

I'll use your own words to answer this statement,

I think a judge should make the determination as to what evidence might be admissible in a trial, and the jury can give proper weight to said 'evidence'. Those same jurors would also be tasked with determining the credibility of the witness - Cohen.

I don't see in any of the filings were you are the judge of record or, a member of the jury. Besides, in Cohen's case he pled guilty, so, no jury, it's just the judge,

 
 

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