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Trump says he will take Kim Jong Un "at his word" that he didn't know about Otto Warmbier's condition

  

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Via:  krishna  •  5 years ago  •  252 comments

Trump says he will take Kim Jong Un "at his word" that he didn't know about Otto Warmbier's condition
The American college student was imprisoned and sentenced to 15 years hard labor in 2016, but was returned to the U.S. in June 2017 in a coma after suffering severe brain damage.

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President Trump said Thursday North Korean leader Kim Jong Un told him that he did not know about  Otto Warmbier's condition  and Mr. Trump said "I will take him at his word." The American college student was imprisoned and  sentenced to 15 years hard labor  in 2016, but was returned to the U.S. in June 2017 in a coma after suffering severe brain damage. He  died one week  after returning to Ohio. 

Doctors who treated Warmbier said that he suffered  severe injuries to all areas of his brain  during his detainment, causing "extensive loss of brain tissue in all regions of the brain." Brain scans taken by North Koreans in April 2016 and provided to physicians indicated that he suffered the brain injury shortly after his conviction in March of last year. 

Warmbier was detained when he was about to return from a five-day visit to North Korea, and was convicted of stealing a propaganda poster. 


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Krishna
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1  seeder  Krishna    5 years ago

President Trump said Thursday North Korean leader Kim Jong Un told him that he did not know about  Otto Warmbier's condition  and Mr. Trump said "I will take him at his word." 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Krishna @1    5 years ago
"I will take him at his word."

Utterly shameful. And every one of Trumps supporters knows deep down, if this had been a Democrat President bending over to a vile dictator and taking "him at his word" they would have been screaming their discontent and demanding he be impeached for dereliction of duty.

 
 
 
katrix
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1.1.2  katrix  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1    5 years ago

Initially Trump called Kim out on this.  I guess his love blinded him.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.3  Ender  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1    5 years ago

That is what I don't get. If this was Obama he would be called a traitor. They would be screaming that all of this is a fruitless endeavor. Obama is a communist, etc.

Why is it that trump can stand up to our allies and try to strain these relationships, yet every dictator he bows down to.

 
 
 
katrix
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1.1.4  katrix  replied to  Ender @1.1.3    5 years ago

Exactly.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.5  Bob Nelson  replied to  Ender @1.1.3    5 years ago

Remember: during the campaign, Trump said, "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody... and not lose a single supporter.

The Trump True Believers TM continue to believe that Trump is anointed by God.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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1.1.6  bbl-1  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.5    5 years ago

"Anointed by Lucifer." 

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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1.1.7  SteevieGee  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1    5 years ago

Once again the great negotiator rolls on his back and pisses himself like a puppy.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.8  cjcold  replied to  bbl-1 @1.1.6    5 years ago

"Anointed by Lucifer." 

And Fox non-news propaganda.

Sad that so many Americans lack critical thinking skills.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.1.9  igknorantzrulz  replied to  cjcold @1.1.8    5 years ago
Sad that so many Americans lack critical thinking skills.

i'm damn critical bout their thinking skills

 
 
 
It Is ME
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1.2  It Is ME  replied to  Krishna @1    5 years ago

"Mr. Trump said "I will take him at his word."

Sounds Good to me. 

Does the President of These United States know EVERYTHING that goes on in this country ? jrSmiley_30_smiley_image.gif

Very Seriously Doubt it ! jrSmiley_26_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
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1.2.2  It Is ME  replied to    5 years ago

Soooo... in a Long winded way, You are saying ….. The "President" of These United States knows everything ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
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1.2.4  It Is ME  replied to    5 years ago
He knows far less than the post requires.

Sooooo…..The "President" of these United States doesn't know Everything ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
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1.2.7  It Is ME  replied to    5 years ago

Does the "President" of these United States "KNOW EVERYTHING" going on in this country or NOT ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
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1.2.9  It Is ME  replied to    5 years ago
He knows everything...just ask him. Are you getting dizzy?

So the President of These United States "Does" know everything ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
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1.2.11  It Is ME  replied to    5 years ago
Asked and answered,

Not yet !

 
 
 
It Is ME
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1.2.13  It Is ME  replied to    5 years ago
you are okay with trump taking Kim Jong Un's word.  I am not.

I asked a "Simple" question.....nothing more....nothing less !

Does The "President" of these United States know EVERYTHING going on in this country ?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.14  Tessylo  replied to    5 years ago
'Asked and answered, ME. In fact, some would argue he is omnipotent.'

More like impotent

 
 
 
lib50
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1.2.15  lib50  replied to  It Is ME @1.2.13    5 years ago

Does The "President" of these United States know EVERYTHING going on in this country ?

 

Trump doesn't know jack shit.  Kim Jung Un knows EVERYTHING that goes on in NK, especially things that have to do with American and other foreign prisoners.  If that's what you were trying to imply. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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1.2.16  It Is ME  replied to  lib50 @1.2.15    5 years ago
Kim Jung Un knows EVERYTHING that goes on in NK

Really ?

It's like.....YOU WERE THERE ! jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Krishna @1    5 years ago

A very foolish and dangerous prededent!

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.3.1  Dulay  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.3    5 years ago

It's a precedent he set in Helsinki, carried on with the Saudi murder squad and now with Kim torturing an American citizen to death. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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2  seeder  Krishna    5 years ago

And after all-- why shouldn't Trump believe the North Korean leader?

After all, he is a man of great integrity,and the highest moral principles!

 
 
 
Ender
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2.2  Ender  replied to  Krishna @2    5 years ago

All trump is doing is elevating the fat dictator and giving him the world wide status/recognition he craves.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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2.2.1  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @2.2    5 years ago
All trump is doing is elevating the fat dictator and giving him the world wide status/recognition he craves.

And doing the Opposite, Like other Presidents have done…..did what now ?

I hear "Rocket man" got himself some nuclear weapons and some missiles that can carry them "Before" Trump.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.2.2  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.1    5 years ago

Bullshit, they are in love doncha know.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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2.2.3  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @2.2.2    5 years ago
Bullshit, they are in love doncha know.

Suuuure ! jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif

What has Trump Given up for "Rocket man" so far ?

 
 
 
Ender
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2.2.4  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.3    5 years ago

Stopping military exercises in SK.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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2.2.5  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @2.2.4    5 years ago
Stopping military exercises in SK.

Should save the "American" tax payers money I'd say.

Not much there that helps "Rocket Man" though ! I hear his N.K. Navy is a bit lacking.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.2.6  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.5    5 years ago

Are you honestly going to say that it doesn't help NK to get our military out of the area?

 
 
 
It Is ME
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2.2.7  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @2.2.6    5 years ago
Are you honestly going to say that it doesn't help NK to get our military out of the area?

I'm honestly saying, and said, playing war costs money. Trump stopping it saves money.

Now where does Trump say we don't have Military over there anymore, because he cancelled the "Games" ?

 
 
 
Ender
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2.2.8  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.7    5 years ago
Donald Trump left this week’s summit with North Korea’s Kim Jong-un having granted a   huge last-minute concession : promising to stop what he called “war games” with South Korea.

The move  reportedly blindsided   both Seoul and US military officials.

Trump may have got that idea from an unusual source, the Wall Street Journal   reports  (paywall):
Trump had an idea about how to counter the nuclear threat posed by North Korea, which he got after speaking to Russian President Vladimir Putin: If the U.S. stopped joint military exercises with the South Koreans, it could help moderate Kim Jong Un’s behavior.
That discussion between Putin and Trump reportedly happened in summer 2017.  The pair have only met twice themselves, on the sidelines of diplomatic gatherings in Germany in July 2017 and in Vietnam that November.

Russia has encouraged de-escalation talks between the US and North Korea. Today, the Kremlin publicly congratulated itself for supporting the Trump-Kim meeting in Singapore, Reuters reported. “Putin was right,” a spokesman said. “The only possible path is one of direct dialogue.”

Using the military exercises as a massive negotiating chip in exchange for the North denuclearizing is a pretty orthodox policy proposal, but it stunned almost everybody that Trump seemed to be giving this away for free after his meeting.

Say what you want but yes, it was a concession for which we got nothing in return.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.2.9  Jasper2529  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.3    5 years ago
What has Trump Given up for "Rocket man" so far ?

Only his time so we can finally (hopefully) denuke NoKo but only on Trump's/Pompeo's terms. By meeting with Kim Jung Un in Vietnam, they laid out some carrots to show him that enemies can be friends and how NoKo can also become part of the 21st century. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.10  Split Personality  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.9    5 years ago

Nothing for nothing, it would have been much cheaper to let Pompeo and his counterparts do this the traditional bottom up diplomacy way.

This Trump  attempt at top down diplomacy reportedly cost $6 million to the US taxpayers.

the flight alone? 3million

The only upside is that Vietnam placed an order with Boeing for $15.7 Billion complete with photo ops featuring Mr Trump.

Not sure Mr Trump's presence was necessary. 

Separately General Electric singed a $5.3 Billion contract with Vietnam also.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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2.2.11  FLYNAVY1  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.7    5 years ago

So if I read it right, you're content to sacrifice training, and thus possibly lives so you can have a couple more bucks in your pocket...….? 

Please...….. don't tell me you have "We support the troops" stickers on your cars too.

 
 
 
Freefaller
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2.2.12  Freefaller  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.7    5 years ago
playing war costs money. Trump stopping it saves money.

The politics aside it actually doesn't save money, the military will simply take the training budget saved there reallocate and spend it elsewhere. 

 
 
 
Ender
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2.2.13  Ender  replied to  Freefaller @2.2.12    5 years ago

True.

I also think it takes away training and preparedness. Also takes away training and knowledge from SK.

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.2.14  cjcold  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.9    5 years ago

And storks bring babies.

Trump is being played because he is an ignorant fool.

I only hope that the USofA can recover from this buffoon.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2.2.15  bbl-1  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.10    5 years ago

You did not mention the many Vietnamese entrepreneurs that were selling Trump/Kim tee shirts.  Capitalism lives! 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.16  Tessylo  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.2.11    5 years ago
'So if I read it right, you're content to sacrifice training, and thus possibly lives so you can have a couple more bucks in your pocket...….?'

Yup.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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2.2.17  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @2.2.8    5 years ago
Say what you want but yes, it was a concession for which we got nothing in return.

You OVER THINK things !

We...."Americans"....lost NOTHING !

They ….. "North Korea and/or Russia"...… got NOTHING !

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.18  Ozzwald  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.17    5 years ago
You OVER THINK things !

You purposely UNDER THINK things.  Ran than admit you, and Trump, are wrong you will double down on your nonsense. 

Kim Jung Un requested a suspension of US and SK military training exercises at their last meeting, Trump agreed and gave that concession to him.  Trump got nothing in return.

 
 
 
lib50
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2.2.19  lib50  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.7    5 years ago
playing war costs money.

Actually, it saves money and lives because it is part of their TRAINING.  But don't expect Trump and his supporters to know or understand that.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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2.2.20  It Is ME  replied to  lib50 @2.2.19    5 years ago
Actually, it saves money

Sure....Fuel Doesn't cost a dime.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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2.2.21  It Is ME  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.18    5 years ago
Trump got nothing in return.

Bodies came home .... No Missile Tests anymore.....Sanctions in place increased even more..... jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

Nah.....TRUMP got nothing ! jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.22  Ozzwald  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.21    5 years ago
Bodies came home

Remains from the 50's.  Has nothing to do with modern day situations on the Korean peninsula.

No Missile Tests anymore

How often do you expect missile tests?  That like saying Trump is responsible for no hurricanes hitting the East coast since the last hurricanes.  Ridiculous!

Sanctions in place increased even more

So Kim Jung Un gave Trump more sanctions???? jrSmiley_23_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
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2.2.23  It Is ME  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.22    5 years ago

your response:

1. None-sense

2. None-sense

3. None-sense

What this Country lost because of the NK/Trump thingy.....NOTHING !

Trump isn't into "Western Union" Night Deliveries to Placate !

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.24  Ozzwald  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.23    5 years ago
What this Country lost because of the NK/Trump thingy.....NOTHING !

What did it gain?  NK gained an ending to US and SK military exercises, what did we gain in exchange?

1. None-sense

2. None-sense

3. None-sense

Better check your English dictionary, no such word as "none-sense"... 

But your reply is blatant NONSENSE!

 
 
 
It Is ME
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2.2.25  It Is ME  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.24    5 years ago
What did it gain? 

Spelled out for you already in comment #2.2.21. jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

"Better check your English dictionary, no such word as "none-sense"..."

Meant just as I typed !

none
[nən]

PRONOUN
not any.

I'm willing to "PLAY" you "Game". jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

"But you reply is blatant NONSENSE!"

It's " Your "....not "YOU" ! jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.26  Ozzwald  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.25    5 years ago
"Better check your English dictionary, no such word as "none-sense"..." Meant just as I typed !

[ Deleted ]  None sense?? LOLOLOL jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

As you typed it, makes absolutely "no sense", which means it is utterly "nonsense". The fact that you are arguing about it shows that you are desperate for the mistake to not been acknowledged.

Congrats, you just gave yourself away.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.27  Ozzwald  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.25    5 years ago
It's "Your"....not "YOU" !

Horrors!!!  I got caught making a typo by someone who does not understand the English language.  I'd have given you a pass on it, except you seem awfully desperate for it not to be acknowledged as an incorrect phrasing.  Why is that?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.2.28  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.27    5 years ago
I got caught making a typo

yea, i made a typo once

.

.

.

.

.

what, you're supposed to stop...?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.29  Split Personality  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.21    5 years ago
No Missile Tests anymore

And? Who's to blame for that?  Did Obama ever publicly ridicule Kim?

There were more than 20 missiles fired by NoKo in Trump's first year in office.

That is more than all of the successful and failed attempts all the way back to 1976.

In Obama's 8 years there were 11 reported missile launches, some only claimed by NoKo with no verification;

Of those 11, 4 were spectacular public failures.

Now Kim has "won" virtual equality with the President of the USA, who seeks a peace treaty separate from the UN,

who has canceled military exercises that annoy only Kim and showers Kim with praise and photo ops.

For what?  A dead hostage and the return of three other hostages taken on Trump's watch?

 
 
 
It Is ME
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2.2.30  It Is ME  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.29    5 years ago

Trump did SOMETHING !

Obama did NOTHING !

Bush did NOTHING !

The best "DOER" of all was Billy Clinton. He gave N.K. Nuke Plans ! jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
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2.2.31  It Is ME  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.27    5 years ago
Horrors!!!

I KNOW....right ! jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
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2.2.32  It Is ME  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.26    5 years ago
None sense?? LOLOLOL

I laughed too when I typed it ! jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

It fit so well with your comments ! jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.33  Ozzwald  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.32    5 years ago
I laughed too when I typed it ! It fit so well with your comments !

LOL, keep spinning....

giphy.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
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2.2.34  It Is ME  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.33    5 years ago
LOL, keep spinning....

Now that's FUNNY ! jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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2.3  Raven Wing  replied to  Krishna @2    5 years ago
After all, he is a man of great integrity,and the highest moral principles!

Well......"birds of a feather"......as they say. Seems to fit Trump and Kim to a T

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3  Snuffy    5 years ago

Two things here toward the topic.

Why would you believe that the head of a country knows everything that is going on at the time it is happening?  Would you expect Trump to know of every imprisoned person in this country?  And to know what is going on in a daily basis for those people?

And there are global political considerations here as well.

 
 
 
katrix
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3.2  katrix  replied to  Snuffy @3    5 years ago

We're talking about Kim, who's a control freak.  When Otto was jailed it caused an international incident.  There is no way Kim didn't know.  And initially Trump called him out on it.

The issue is Trump announcing to a global audience that he believes Kim.  Same thing as when he announced to a global audience that he believes Putin above his own intelligence agencies.  There sure are global political considerations here, and Trump failed miserably at them.  He believes murderous dictators and publicly fawns over them - he treats them better than our own allies.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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3.2.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  katrix @3.2    5 years ago
he treats them better than our own allies.

Ain't that just the damndest thing? He sucks the dicks of our enemies and shits on our allies, it really it incredible. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.3  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Snuffy @3    5 years ago
Why would you believe that the head of a country knows everything that is going on at the time it is happening? 

Exactly.

Kim is a very weak leader-- he has little control over what goes on in his country.

And he certainly does not have much of a system of secret police.

(In addition. why would he even care about the capture of an American-- why would he think this should have any bearing on his relationship with the U.S.? And, finally-- why should he care what the U.S. thinks anyway?)

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.3.1  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @3.3    5 years ago
Why would you believe that the head of a country knows everything that is going on at the time it is happening? 

Exactly.

Kim is a very weak leader-- he has little control over what goes on in his country.

And he certainly does not have much of a system of secret police.

(In addition. why would he even care about the capture of an American-- why would he think this should have any bearing on his relationship with the U.S.? And, finally-- why should he care what the U.S. thinks anyway?)

On second thought-- maybe I mis-interpreted your extremely brilliant comment???

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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3.3.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Krishna @3.3    5 years ago

Hah, I love it.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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3.3.3  bbl-1  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.3.2    5 years ago

Me too.

 
 
 
Ender
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3.4  Ender  replied to  Snuffy @3    5 years ago

So we have a known vile, hard handed ruler, that is known to kill any opposition against him. He has even killed his own family members and has forced labor camps, detention camps.

They took into custody a US citizen as a political prisoner and tortured the young man. So severely that he had severe brain damage and brain loss, that he would never be able to recover from.

And you are trying to say that this dictator, that kills people that swerve from doing things his way, did not know about this young American in their custody?

Then we have trump that is telling him that they will be an economic powerhouse with his help.

Wow. Just wow. Is there not one line that trump cannot cross where the right wing would not defend him?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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3.4.1  Raven Wing  replied to  Ender @3.4    5 years ago
Wow. Just wow. Is there not one line that trump cannot cross where the right wing would not defend him?

Nope.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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3.4.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Ender @3.4    5 years ago
Wow. Just wow. Is there not one line that trump cannot cross where the right wing would not defend him?

Just look below. MUVA ALMOST drew a line, but then retreated and defended dumb fuck instead. 

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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3.5  Studiusbagus  replied to  Snuffy @3    5 years ago
Why would you believe that the head of a country knows everything that is going on at the time it is happening?  Would you expect Trump to know of every imprisoned person in this country?  And to know what is going on in a daily basis for those people?

That's why there is 1000' s of people that do nothing but research. Trump has enormous access to data and specialists to inform him.

But he rejects them.. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.6  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @3    5 years ago
'Why would you believe that the head of a country knows everything that is going on at the time it is happening?  Would you expect Trump to know of every imprisoned person in this country?  And to know what is going on in a daily basis for those people?'

The 'president' was aware of this high profile atrocity.  And what Kim does to those who cross him, even family.  All Wambler did was take a poster.  

My mistake, are you referring to Kim?  

Of course he knew of Wambler.  

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.7  cjcold  replied to  Snuffy @3    5 years ago
Why would you believe that the head of a country knows everything that is going on

If Trump didn't lie in bed watching Fox and eating Big Macs while ignoring the daily security briefings; he could. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.8  Dulay  replied to  Snuffy @3    5 years ago
Why would you believe that the head of a country knows everything that is going on at the time it is happening?

Kim is a DIEIY in his country. Kim rules SK with an iron fist and wipes out entire villages on a whim. The very concept that someone in South Korea would lay a hand on an American citizen, a very valuable commodity, without Kim's knowledge is laughable. 

Would you expect Trump to know of every imprisoned person in this country? And to know what is going on in a daily basis for those people?

I don't expect Trump to know how to tie his own shoes...

And there are global political considerations here as well.

And they are wholly irrelevant to this issue. Trump could have kept his fucking mouth shut, he could have answered the question WITHOUT giving Kim a 'get out of jail free' card, he could have considered the feelings of Otto's family. But that's not Trump. He want powerful men to 'like him' and he believes tyrants above all.  

Oh and BTFW, taking an American citizen hostage is a 'global political consideration' that should NOT go unpunished. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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5  Thrawn 31    5 years ago
President Trump said Thursday North Korean leader Kim Jong Un told him that he did not know about  Otto Warmbier's condition  and Mr. Trump said "I will take him at his word." 

Of course, because we all know leaders of totalitarian states that are hostile to the US are a much more reliable source of information than American intelligence agencies. 

Seriously, the dumbest mother fucker to ever walk the planet. If he wasn't born rich he would without a doubt be homeless. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.1  Dulay  replied to  Thrawn 31 @5    5 years ago
If he wasn't born rich he would without a doubt be homeless.

Or have his name etched on the Viet Nam war memorial. 

 
 
 
lady in black
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6  lady in black    5 years ago

SMH that anyone can defend this POS after all the bullshit lies and the sucking up to dictators and denigrating our allies.  

He believes Kim

He believes Putin

He believes Mohammad Bin Salman 

He doesn't believe US intelligence

He doesn't believe US allies

See a pattern here

Dictators good

Allies and US intelligence bad

And don't forgot he knows more than all the generals.

I hope Otto's family rips him a new one

 
 
 
bbl-1
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7  bbl-1    5 years ago

So the Trump takes Kim at his word?  Well...……….there it is--there you have it. 

And so this means the next love letter from Kim to the American fearless leader will be in an envelope the size of eight feet by sixteen feet?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
8  Kavika     5 years ago

Kim and his secret police know the movements of all the citizens yet he doesn't know about an American in prison in NK when it was an international incident...

Gather up the Unicorns boys, we ride at midnight. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
9  Raven Wing    5 years ago
President Trump said Thursday North Korean leader Kim Jong Un told him that he did not know about  Otto Warmbier's condition  and Mr. Trump said "I will take him at his word."

Camel dung. Two lies that they both think all the American people are stupid enough to believe. 

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Tacos!
Professor Guide
10  Tacos!    5 years ago
He Didn't Know About Otto Warmbier's Condition

He probably didn't know. After all, why would he be paying the slightest bit of attention to any particular one of the many innocent people being held prisoner in his prisons? Of course that doesn't excuse the fact that he runs a country where things like happen. It also doesn't undo the fact that no one has been arrested or punished for what happened to Otto. So, at the end of the day, whether Kim knew and whether or not Trump believes him are both unimportant.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
10.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tacos! @10    5 years ago
He probably didn't know.

Seriously? Is it so important to defend this joke of a President that you have to contort logic to such an extreme in order to do so?

"why would he be paying the slightest bit of attention to any particular one of the many innocent people being held prisoner in his prisons?"

“It is inconceivable that such a high profile American prisoner like Otto Warmbier, that Kim Jong-un would not know ,” said former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson who went to NK on behalf of the family and attempted to get Warmbier released.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @10.1    5 years ago
Is it so important to defend this joke of a President

That's just dumb. I'm not trying to do anything like that.

a high profile American prisoner like Otto Warmbier

What's "high profile" about a college student?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
10.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tacos! @10.1.1    5 years ago
What's "high profile" about a college student?

I take it you weren't watching the news at the time then. When a story about a US citizen being detained and abused by an authoritarian regime is on every news channel for weeks when he was first arrested and then again for weeks after he was returned in a fatal coma, that is considered "high profile". I'm sure if he was your son you'd ask that same question, right? What's "high profile" about a college student? right?

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.1.4  Tacos!  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @10.1.2    5 years ago

Sure, he's important to his family. Walk up to a random person on the streets of America and ask them who Otto Warmbier was. Have you ever seen political man-on-the-street interviews? I bet at least 9 out of 10 won't know. And that's in America, where you might expect people to care. What makes you think Kim Jong Un cares?

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.1.5  Tacos!  replied to    5 years ago
Does the same query apply to the Parkland student activists that so many have excoriated?

Yes. It's a college student. Get some perspective. Just because an issue or a person is important to you doesn't mean that some despot half way around the world gives a shit. When it comes to international politics and a country that already has 200,000 political prisoners . . .  no, a college student who stole a poster is not "high profile."

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.1.7  Tacos!  replied to    5 years ago
So let's legitimize the regime.

It's hard to imagine that even you know what you mean by that.

 
 
 
katrix
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10.1.8  katrix  replied to  Tacos! @10.1.4    5 years ago
What makes you think Kim Jong Un cares?

Of course he doesn't care.  He executes people by flamethrower, for crying out loud.

But he knew.  It was an international incident.  And he knows what his prisons are like.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
10.1.10  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tacos! @10.1.4    5 years ago
I bet at least 9 out of 10 won't know. And that's in America, where you might expect people to care

Maybe on the streets where you live. I had 6 clients come in so far this morning and I asked each one if they know who Otto Warmbeir was and every one of them knew and were outraged at the Presidents comments, even the one conservative Republican among them. It seems to me you're trying too hard to downplay the significance of this. Maybe you do realize how insane and unhinged this President has become and your only recourse is more deflect, distract and diminish any bad press he receives for his words and actions.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.1.11  Bob Nelson  replied to  katrix @10.1.8    5 years ago
He executes people by flamethrower...

Trump didn't know! ... Surely...

Trump would never trust such a monster.

Surely.........

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
10.1.12  Studiusbagus  replied to  Tacos! @10.1.1    5 years ago
What's "high profile" about a college student?

The student, no. The incident was high profile, it just happened with a college student.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
10.1.13  Studiusbagus  replied to  Tacos! @10.1.4    5 years ago
Walk up to a random person on the streets of America and ask them who Otto Warmbier was.

Walk up to that same man on the street and ask him about the college student arrested by N. Korea and you'll get "oh yes, but I don't remember that boys name" 

You realllllly think they arrested an American citizen and they decided not to ttell Kim they have an American?

It's an international incident for Pete's sake!

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
10.2  lib50  replied to  Tacos! @10    5 years ago

Do you even know anything about North Korea and its history of leaders?     Kim knew EVERYTHING about Warmier.  EVERYTHING.  Whatever happened to him, was done explicitly by Kim's orders.  This whole 'well, it just doesn't matter what the truth is and who believes who' is one of the most asinine things I've heard.  So, at the end of the day, TRUTH MATTERS.   It is important.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.2.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  lib50 @10.2    5 years ago

The Trump apologists who say nonsense like "maybe Kim didn't know" don't believe their own words... but they don't care.

Truth is unimportant. Loyalty to Trump is paramount.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.2.2  Tacos!  replied to  lib50 @10.2    5 years ago
Do you even know anything about North Korea and its history of leaders?

Yes. That knowledge is why I said what I said. Maybe you're the one who needs to be educated about North Korea. For example, there are an estimated 150,000 to 200,000 political prisoners in North Korean prisons . You really think Kim Jong Un knows all their names?

Furthermore, Kim does not run those prisons. Those prisons are run by the  State Security Department , which is the North Korean secret police. And while they do nominally report to Kim, they are an autonomous agency and their day-to-day affairs - especially as they relate to any specific individual - are probably not something Kim concerns himself with. I find it improbable and/or unimportant that Kim spends any time thinking about any particular political prisoner in their custody.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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10.2.3  Tacos!  replied to  Bob Nelson @10.2.1    5 years ago

Do you think Hitler knew the names of everyone in the concentration camps?

The Trump apologists

Any suggestions that I have said anything trying to apologize for Trump or Kim is idiotic.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.2.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Tacos! @10.2.3    5 years ago
Do you think Hitler knew the names of everyone in the concentration camps?

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Tacos!
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10.2.5  Tacos!  replied to  Bob Nelson @10.2.4    5 years ago

Your emoji is such a compelling comment.

Not.

You're delusional if you think Kim Jong Un gives two shits about the things that bother regular people - like how people are being treated in his prisons.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
10.2.6  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Tacos! @10.2.5    5 years ago

r u really this lost...

lil kim knows about Americans in custody, and he knows EVERYTHING about them

Wake up already

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.2.7  Tacos!  replied to  igknorantzrulz @10.2.6    5 years ago
he knows EVERYTHING about them

Just for the sake of argument, let's assume that's true.

So what?

Does that mean we're supposed to be disappointed that Kim is not the delicate and caring humanitarian you thought he was? Are we supposed to be crushed that he's not a man who cares about people? Would it be scandalous to find out that Kim knew about this treatment of Otto and did nothing?

Seriously, what was your vision of North Korea that you think this is a special development? What fantasyland were you living in?

 
 
 
katrix
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10.2.8  katrix  replied to  Tacos! @10.2.7    5 years ago

No, we're supposed to be disappointed that our freaking President announced to the world that he takes the word of Kim - about something which is clearly a lie - over what we know to be true.  A U.S. Federal Court determined that North Korea was responsible.  It led to a ban on Americans visiting North Korea.  It led to our Dept of State relisting North Korea as a state sponsor of terrorism.  And now Trump pulls this.  Why aren't you disappointed in what he said?

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.2.9  Tacos!  replied to  katrix @10.2.8    5 years ago
No, we're supposed to be disappointed that our freaking President announced to the world that he takes the word of Kim - about something which is clearly a lie - over what we know to be true.

What I see is that some are needlessly disappointed that our freaking President announced to the world that he takes the word of Kim - about something which is unknowable and irrelevant - over what we know to be unimportant.

Would it matter if Kim knew? Why? Do you imagine it makes it better or worse that Otto is dead? Here's the choice I outlined above: Either Kim knew Otto was being tortured (which I doubt) or he is aware that stuff like that goes on in his prisons every day and he doesn't give a shit. I think the latter is more likely. And I think that's worse. For some reason, you and others here seem to think that makes it better or somehow excuses things. You seem to think that because I think Kim is indifferent to the suffering around him that I am endorsing him somehow. That's nuts.

The demons of the world don't spend two seconds feeling guilty about the horrors they allow in their countries. You really think that you and I and Otto and his family are important to lunatics like Kim? We're not.

 
 
 
lady in black
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10.2.10  lady in black  replied to  Tacos! @10.2.9    5 years ago

Why do you keep defending trump when you know what he said makes him look like an idiot and in the process he hurt a grieving family. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
10.2.11  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  katrix @10.2.8    5 years ago
we're supposed to be disappointed that our freaking President announced to the world that he takes the word of Kim - about something which is clearly a lie - over what we know to be true.

Trump has become the "See No Evil", "Hear No Evil", "Speak No Evil" monkey. He's a fat orange orangutan with his tiny hands over his eyes, Kim Jong Un's little rocket in one ear, Mohammed bin Salman's royal member in the other with Putin's Tokarev in his mouth.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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10.2.14  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @10.2.13    5 years ago
'So, does anyone have any better ideas than to placate a crazy fat little guy with nuclear weapons?  If so, post them.'  

Sounds like Rump except for the little part

 
 
 
katrix
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10.2.17  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @10.2.13    5 years ago
What exactly would you have the man do or say?  Be specific.

It's what I would have preferred him NOT to say, which is that he believed Kim.  It's the same crap he pulled about Putin.  And Trump certainly wasn't worried about placating Kim when he called him "little rocket man."    

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.2.19  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @10.2.18    5 years ago
When you're essentially dealing with a man-child, like Rump, you don't chastise him then ask him to be nice.

 
 
 
katrix
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10.2.22  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @10.2.20    5 years ago
As to the "crap" he "pulled about Putin", is that akin to Obama telling Putin's man to "Tell Vlad I'll have more flexibility

No, I wouldn't consider that anywhere close to Trump telling the world that he believed Putin above our own intelligence agencies that there was no attempt by Russia to influence the presidential election.  And of course we now have proof that Putin tried to influence the election ... and tried again at the midterms (our military shut down a Russian troll farm's internet access on and around election day during the midterms). 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.2.23  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @10.2.21    5 years ago

I WILL do as I please.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.2.24  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @10.2.20    5 years ago

'As to the "crap" he "pulled about Putin", is that akin to Obama telling Putin's man to "Tell Vlad I'll have more flexibility"?'

President Obama is diplomatic

Rump is putin's puppet and dick sucker.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.2.25  Bob Nelson  replied to  Tacos! @10.2.5    5 years ago

If I said what I think of your using Hitler for an example, Perrie would delete for gross profanity.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
10.2.27  Raven Wing  replied to  Tacos! @10.2.3    5 years ago
Do you think Hitler knew the names of everyone in the concentration camps?

Oh? And how do you know how many Americans there were in NK prisons at the time that it would be impossible for Kim not to know he was there? 

320

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.2.28  Tacos!  replied to  Bob Nelson @10.2.25    5 years ago
If I said what I think of your using Hitler for an example, Perrie would delete for gross profanity.

Well, that's kind of a shame. You'd think a grown-up would be able to discuss a topic without resorting to that kind of language. If you can't analyze the issue more reasonably, maybe you should consider the possibility that your reaction is purely emotional - in which case, maybe you have rushed to judgment based on some prejudice.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.2.29  Tacos!  replied to  lady in black @10.2.10    5 years ago
Why do you keep defending trump

I haven't defended Trump at all so I don't know what you are talking about. Perhaps you are responding to someone else's comments?

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.2.30  Tacos!  replied to    5 years ago
A sad indictment of trump and his disdain for the truth, and far worse...those that continually and unsympathetically defend him.

I really don't know what you're talking about. I was talking about Kim Jong Un and you're going on about Trump. Are you sure your comment should be directed at me?

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.2.31  Tacos!  replied to  XDm9mm @10.2.13    5 years ago
I believe I can, with a fair degree of certainty tell you and all others, that if Trump came out and said

You're 100% right. In fact, it has already happened. [Deleted] His incendiary rhetoric was supposed to start World War III, as I recall. Now, suddenly, it's inhuman for Trump to speak of Kim diplomatically. 

It'd be neat if they could make up their minds.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.2.32  Tacos!  replied to  katrix @10.2.17    5 years ago
It's what I would have preferred him NOT to say, which is that he believed Kim.

Taking him at his word may or may not mean he believes there is any truth to what he said. I suspect it's more like an acceptance that this is what Kim is claiming and there's not much to be done for it one way or the other. In either event, it's not as if Trump or anyone else is going to take - or refrain from - specific action based on that belief. So what is there to get upset over?

Do you believe Trump - or any other politician - was ever going to take steps to punish Kim for Otto Warmbier? If you do, I'd say that's naive.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.2.33  Tacos!  replied to  Raven Wing @10.2.27    5 years ago
that it would be impossible for Kim not to know he was there?

I never said it was impossible for him to not know he was there. I said it was not likely that he was paying attention to the state of his physical condition.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.2.34  Bob Nelson  replied to  Tacos! @10.2.28    5 years ago

You'd think a grown-up would be able to discuss a topic without resorting to... Hitler.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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10.2.35  Raven Wing  replied to  Tacos! @10.2.33    5 years ago
I said it was not likely that he was paying attention to the state of his physical condition.

How could Kim not know? That entire premise is BS.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.2.36  Tacos!  replied to  Bob Nelson @10.2.34    5 years ago
You'd think a grown-up would be able to discuss a topic without resorting to... Hitler.

So, let me see if I understand your complaint. You object to me putting Kim Jong Un in the same category as Hitler? Why??

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.2.37  Tacos!  replied to  Raven Wing @10.2.35    5 years ago
How could Kim not know?

Because responsibility for monitoring the day-to-day health of 200,000 political prisoners is someone else's concern. Frankly, that would be the case in any country. Do you imagine that the President of the United States (any president) is monitoring the health of all the prisoners in the country?

That entire premise is BS.

. . . is a really lazy attempt at an argument. If you disagree with me, at least try to marshall the energy to say why.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.2.38  Bob Nelson  replied to  Tacos! @10.2.36    5 years ago
So, let me see if I understand your complaint. You object to me putting Kim Jong Un in the same category as Hitler?

Nope. You don't understand.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
10.2.39  Raven Wing  replied to  Tacos! @10.2.37    5 years ago
is a really lazy attempt at an argument. If you disagree with me, at least try to marshall the energy to say why.

And your lame attempt to drag me into a useless argument is totally laughable. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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10.2.40  Studiusbagus  replied to  Tacos! @10.2.3    5 years ago
Do you think Hitler knew the names of everyone in the concentration camps?

No, but I bet he could've rattled off how many American students at one of his camps

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
10.3  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @10    5 years ago
He probably didn't know. After all, why would he be paying the slightest bit of attention to any particular one of the many innocent people being held prisoner in his prisons?

Since the beginning of time, high profile hostages have been valuable. There is NO more valuable hostage to Kim than an American. No one in SK would touch a hair on Otto's head without Kim's OK. Otto was tortured and Kim ordered it. PERIOD full stop. 

So, at the end of the day, whether Kim knew and whether or not Trump believes him are both unimportant.

Utter bullshit. It IS important to KNOW and SPEAK the truth. It sure as hell IS important it Trump is actually so delusional that he thinks that there are rouges in SK torturing Kim's prize hostages without Kim's knowledge.

Of course we already know that Trump deludes himself about Putin and MBS. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.3.1  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @10.3    5 years ago
There is NO more valuable hostage to Kim than an American. No one in SK would touch a hair on Otto's head without Kim's OK. Otto was tortured and Kim ordered it. PERIOD full stop. 

Wow! I'm impressed with your detailed knowledge of the inner workings of the North Korean empire, to say nothing of your knowledge of the man himself. Amazing. How long were you ensconced in his inner circle? Tell us more!

 
 
 
Split Personality
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10.3.2  Split Personality  replied to  Dulay @10.3    5 years ago

American hostages are almost always worth their weight in gold

Kim knows that and the guards and their supervisor(s) are most likely dead by execution or doing hard labor long ago.

I can imagine that Kim cannot believe Trump's current exoneration of Kim and by extension, NoKo itself.

And that is disgraceful.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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10.3.3  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Tacos! @10.3.1    5 years ago
Amazing. How long were you ensconced in his inner circle? Tell us more!

Your silly comments are grating on my every last nerve.

Otto Warmbier Was a trophy for Kim.  You seem to be the only one lacking the ability to have figured it out.

 
 
 
Dulay
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10.3.4  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @10.3.1    5 years ago

What they said...

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.3.5  Tacos!  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @10.3.3    5 years ago
Your silly comments are grating on my every last nerve.

That would seem to be your problem. Maybe try a nice cup of tea.

Otto Warmbier Was a trophy for Kim.

So . . . he had his trophy killed? Does that make sense?

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.3.6  Tacos!  replied to  Split Personality @10.3.2    5 years ago
American hostages are almost always worth their weight in gold

You'd think someone like Kim would want to take better care of his gold, then.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.3.7  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @10.3    5 years ago
Since the beginning of time, high profile hostages have been valuable. There is NO more valuable hostage to Kim than an American. No one in SK would touch a hair on Otto's head without Kim's OK.

If the guy was SO valuable and Kim was SO focused on him, then explain how this high profile, high value hostage was allowed to be beaten to death so that they got NOTHING for him.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
10.3.8  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @10.3.7    5 years ago
If the guy was SO valuable and Kim was SO focused on him, then explain how this high profile, high value hostage was allowed to be beaten to death so that they got NOTHING for him.

Oh but Kim DID get something. Unlike other NK hostages, Kim got the US government to deal with him one on one instead of through intermediaries. 

Kim's goons screwed up. They went too far, they used too much juice and fried Otto's brain. They hide that fact so that they could keep using him as a bargaining chip. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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10.3.9  It Is ME  replied to  Dulay @10.3.8    5 years ago
Kim got the US government to deal with him one on one instead of through intermediaries. 

Oh Noooooooo ! jrSmiley_30_smiley_image.gif

I think it's great when the "Head-of-the-class" actually wants to be personally involved instead of using surrogates ! 

It means the "Head-of-the-class" is actually involved ! jrSmiley_81_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Dulay
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10.3.10  Dulay  replied to  It Is ME @10.3.9    5 years ago
I think it's great when the "Head-of-the-class" actually wants to be personally involved instead of using surrogates !  It means the "Head-of-the-class" is actually involved !

Trump, as with everything else, thought it would be easy. Trump thinks he can either bully or charm people into anything. He thought he could get concessions from Kim and claim his Peace Prize. When he's not destroying what Obama did, he's trying to do what Obama didn't. It doesn't matter to Trump that there was a REASON why it wasn't done before. 

He failed with Mexico and Canada and now he's failed TWICE with Korea. Instead of a Peace Prize, he's given Kim credibility on the world stage, weakened our relationship with other countries in the region, especially South Korea and all for NOTHING but photo ops... 

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.3.11  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @10.3.8    5 years ago
Kim got the US government to deal with him one on one instead of through intermediaries

First of all, there has been no concrete benefit to that. Second, once again, you don't murder someone who is valuable. Third, Otto Warmbier didn't have anything to do with Trump talking to Kim. Trump is doing it to avert a war that seemed all but inevitable when he took office.

Kim's goons screwed up.

How could that happen if Kim is as on top of everything as you claim?

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
10.3.12  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @10.3.11    5 years ago
First of all, there has been no concrete benefit to that.

In a regime that is based almost exclusively on propaganda, there is a large value in a photo op with Trump. 

Second, once again, you don't murder someone who is valuable.

Oh I'm pretty sure that they didn't mean to KILL him, they just wanted to torture him and they went too far. 

Third, Otto Warmbier didn't have anything to do with Trump talking to Kim.

If they didn't have one on one communication, HOW can Trump take credit for bringing Otto home? 

Trump is doing it to avert a war that seemed all but inevitable when he took office.

Oh come on. That's utter bullshit.

The only place war with NK was inevitable is in Trump's deluded mind. Unless Trump has a death wish and wants to take us all with him, his own over the top rhetoric belies that claim. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.3.13  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dulay @10.3.12    5 years ago
The only place war with NK was inevitable...

Not to worry. We're safe. Trump declared after the first meeting that NK is no longer a threat.

Do you feel better now?

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10.3.14  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @10.3.12    5 years ago
there is a large value in a photo op with Trump

You keep saying that but you haven't explained how that value manifests.

If they didn't have one on one communication, HOW can Trump take credit for bringing Otto home?

I'm talking about denuclearization talks. I'm talking about peace treaty talks. That's the "talking" that matters. 

That's utter bullshit.

That's fine. Perhaps you think the status quo with North Korea is not a problem. Perhaps you think that it was more likely to lead to good things - peace and stability, for example. I think you'd be wrong, but you're entitled your opinion.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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10.3.15  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @10.3.6    5 years ago

Exactly my point.

thanks for participating.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
10.3.16  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @10.3.14    5 years ago
You keep saying that but you haven't explained how that value manifests.

Oh sorry, I had no idea that you were so uninformed about the NK regime and their propaganda practices. 

Kim brought his own film crew to both of the 'peace talks'. He'll be playing it as 'Great leader' propaganda right quick. One can only imagine what bullshit the narrator will be spewing as it's played on NK state TV. 

I'm talking about denuclearization talks. I'm talking about peace treaty talks. That's the "talking" that matters.

Except those 'talks' happened long before Trump set foot in Viet Nam for his photo op. Both Trump and Kim thought that they could bullshit each other into more concessions. Thankfully, Pompeo was there...

That's fine. Perhaps you think the status quo with North Korea is not a problem.

What I think IS a problem in this discussion is bullshit fearmongering. 

Perhaps you think that it was more likely to lead to good things - peace and stability, for example.

Peace and stability isn't either of their goals. 

I think you'd be wrong, but you're entitled your opinion.

You're NOT entitled to falsely characterize my opinion. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
10.3.17  It Is ME  replied to  Dulay @10.3.10    5 years ago
Trump, as with everything else, thought it would be easy. Trump thinks he can either bully or charm people into anything. He thought he could get concessions from Kim and claim his Peace Prize.

Like "Judge Judy" ALWAYS says....Don't tell me what you think or what someone else told you …. show me it's true" !

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
10.3.18  Dulay  replied to  It Is ME @10.3.17    5 years ago

Your comment would be relevant if we were in a court of law. Since we aren't, it's moot. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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10.3.19  It Is ME  replied to  Dulay @10.3.18    5 years ago
Your comment would be relevant.....

........ In everyday life !

Spigots are called spouts....and most times.....it's only about water !

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
10.3.20  Dulay  replied to  It Is ME @10.3.19    5 years ago

That's two...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.3.21  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @10.3.20    5 years ago

When does he ever post a relevant comment?

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
10.3.22  It Is ME  replied to  Dulay @10.3.20    5 years ago
That's two...

I was on Four....your behind !

To "Spout" :

1. To speak (about someone or something) in a particularly boastful or arrogant manner.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
10.3.23  Dulay  replied to  Tessylo @10.3.21    5 years ago

I was only counting replies to me in this thread...

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
11  Hal A. Lujah    5 years ago

I guess to Trump the crime of stealing a piece of paper is reasonable grounds for a lengthy prison sentence.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
11.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @11    5 years ago

Trump is psychologically disturbed. I'm not trying to be funny or snide, that is his nature.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
11.1.1  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1    5 years ago
that is his nature.

And always has been. His parents shipped him off to military school for a good reason.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
12  Bob Nelson    5 years ago

The Warmbier family officially stated , “We have been respectful during this summit process. Now, we must speak out. Kim and his evil regime are responsible for the death of our son Otto. Kim and his evil regime are responsible for unimaginable cruelty and inhumanity. No excuses or lavish praise can change that.”

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Quiet
12.1  lady in black  replied to  Bob Nelson @12    5 years ago

So glad they blasted what trump said.  He is a moronic twit praising a dictator.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
12.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  lady in black @12.1    5 years ago

We're so accustomed to Trump's boorishness, that we don't see the ramifications of his casual cruelty...

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
12.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  lady in black @12.1    5 years ago
So glad they blasted what trump said.

I can only imagine what the family must have felt when they heard Trump say "I take him at his word". I think if I was Otto's father I would have been physically sick at hearing such vile lies and undeserved praise for the man who killed my son coming from the President of the United States. It's truly incomprehensible.

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Quiet
12.1.3  lady in black  replied to  Bob Nelson @12.1.1    5 years ago

Most of us see it, only the deporables don't see it or won't see it and it leaves me shaking my head that anyone can defend him saying this.  

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
14  seeder  Krishna    5 years ago

Finally they have spoken out:

Trump, taking Kim 'at his word,' is rebuked by Warmbier's parents

After it became clear that he would leave Vietnam without reaching a deal to denuclearize North Korean, Trump told reporters Thursday that Kim, whom he has praised lavishly and called a “friend,” had no personal responsibility for Warmbier’s death.

“In those prisons and those camps you have a lot of people, and some really bad things happened to Otto, some really, really bad things,” Trump said. “But he tells me he didn’t know about it, and I will take him at his word.”

“We have been respectful during the summit process,” Fred and Cindy Warmbier wrote in a statement. “Now we must speak out. Kim and his evil regime are responsible for the death of our son Otto. Kim and his evil regime are responsible for unimaginable cruelty and inhumanity. No excuses or lavish praise can change that.”

The president’s accommodating statement about the North Korean leader, which echoed the trust he placed in Vladimir Putin’s assurance that Russia had not attempted to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, drew scorn from members of his own party.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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14.1  It Is ME  replied to  Krishna @14    5 years ago
Kim and his evil regime are responsible for the death of our son Otto. Kim and his evil regime are responsible for unimaginable cruelty and inhumanity. No excuses or lavish praise can change that.”

Trump NEVER said it didn't happen nor did he EVER say "It wasn't a bad thing" !

Trump said he would have to Take "Kimmies" word for it as to knowledge !

Kinda refreshing seeing someone not "Jump" on board the "Everyone Sucks" (Rocket man ain't great for sure) with no actual Proof to say otherwise.

Does everyone REALLY think Trump thinks Kim is Great ?

Did everyone think Obama thought the Iran leader was Great when he funneled Billions back to them ? Of course....it didn't do much as this country got NOTHING for those billions. I'd just call Obama a "Bone Head", but not a lover of Maroons !!

It's all a GAME where some win and some lose, and some even just forfeit/giveup !

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Quiet
14.1.1  lady in black  replied to  It Is ME @14.1    5 years ago

Trump should have kept his trap shut.  Fawning over a dictator and screwing over an American family by saying anything that comes into his puny brain without thinking of the consequences.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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14.1.2  It Is ME  replied to  lady in black @14.1.1    5 years ago

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lady in black
Professor Quiet
14.1.3  lady in black  replied to  It Is ME @14.1.2    5 years ago

This is NOT about Obama.  

He was fawning all over Kim by saying what he said and made himself look like a total douche canoe for saying it.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
14.1.4  It Is ME  replied to  lady in black @14.1.3    5 years ago
This is NOT about Obama.

Same Fucking thing, but Obama's was WORSE !

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Quiet
14.1.5  lady in black  replied to  It Is ME @14.1.4    5 years ago

This is NOT whataboutism, please keep up with current events.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
14.1.6  It Is ME  replied to  lady in black @14.1.5    5 years ago

One "Whataboutism" deserves another ! jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
14.1.7  It Is ME  replied to  It Is ME @14.1.2    5 years ago

A double blast. Ouch !

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
14.1.8  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  It Is ME @14.1    5 years ago
Did everyone think Obama thought the Iran leader was Great when he funneled Billions back to them ? Of course....it didn't do much as this country got NOTHING for those billions. I'd just call Obama a "Bone Head", but not a lover of Maroons !!

Let's look at your comparison.

Right now, we have a President in Office who just accepted the false words from an authoritarian murderous dictator who was instrumental in the unjustified unwarranted torture and killing of an American citizen, a young college student, and the President shrugs his shoulders and says "I Take Kim at his word".

vs

Several years ago, President Obama worked with the P5+1 (the permanent members of the United Nations Security Council—the United States, the United Kingdom, Russia, France, and China—plus Germany) and the European Union, to negotiate a deal to stop Iran from enriching uranium and progressing towards nuclear weapons. They achieved their goal, have real verifiable evidence that Iran did give up its nuclear program (despite all the bullshit rhetoric coming from know-nothing conservatives), and the supposed "billions" some claim the US "gave" Iran was their own money and assets we had seized under sanctions along with a payment the courts ruled we owed them for goods they never received but that they had paid for from 35 years ago.

To compare the two is laughably ridiculous. It's like comparing apples and orangutans.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
14.1.9  seeder  Krishna  replied to  It Is ME @14.1    5 years ago
Trump said he would have to Take "Kimmies" word for it as to knowledge !

Which says a lot about Trump.

But its not the first time he's chosen to believe really sleazy liars over more reputable sources--  its actually a pattern of his. He loves dictators-- especially those who are America's enemies.

Another example, 

“The president launched into several unrelated diatribes. One of those was commenting on the recent missile launches by the government of North Korea. And, essentially, the president said he did not believe that the North Koreans had the capability to hit us here with ballistic missiles in the United States. And he did not believe that because President Putin had told him they did not.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
14.1.10  It Is ME  replied to  Krishna @14.1.9    5 years ago

Diplomacy (Game)

Negotiation phase:
In the negotiation phase, players communicate with each other to discuss tactics and strategy, form alliances, and share intelligence or spread disinformation about mutual adversaries. Negotiations may be made public or kept private. Players are not bound to anything they say or promise during this period, and no agreements of any sort are enforceable.
Communication and trust are highly important for this strategy game. Players must forge alliances with others and observe their actions to evaluate their trustworthiness. At the same time, they must convince others of their own trustworthiness while making plans to turn against their allies when least expected. A well-timed betrayal can be just as profitable as an enduring, reliable alliance.
Cheating can be a large part of certain diplomacy games. Some hosts allow for players to submit false copies of sheets for other players, thus changing their moves. This only works if the person who has their moves replaced is not paying attention when the host is reading out the moves.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
14.2  cjcold  replied to  Krishna @14    5 years ago

Trump is a quisling.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Quiet
15  dave-2693993    5 years ago

Two 10s for a 5.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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18  Bob Nelson    5 years ago
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