Trump says he will take Kim Jong Un "at his word" that he didn't know about Otto Warmbier's condition
President Trump said Thursday North Korean leader Kim Jong Un told him that he did not know about Otto Warmbier's condition and Mr. Trump said "I will take him at his word." The American college student was imprisoned and sentenced to 15 years hard labor in 2016, but was returned to the U.S. in June 2017 in a coma after suffering severe brain damage. He died one week after returning to Ohio.
Doctors who treated Warmbier said that he suffered severe injuries to all areas of his brain during his detainment, causing "extensive loss of brain tissue in all regions of the brain." Brain scans taken by North Koreans in April 2016 and provided to physicians indicated that he suffered the brain injury shortly after his conviction in March of last year.
Warmbier was detained when he was about to return from a five-day visit to North Korea, and was convicted of stealing a propaganda poster.
President Trump said Thursday North Korean leader Kim Jong Un told him that he did not know about Otto Warmbier's condition and Mr. Trump said "I will take him at his word."
Utterly shameful. And every one of Trumps supporters knows deep down, if this had been a Democrat President bending over to a vile dictator and taking "him at his word" they would have been screaming their discontent and demanding he be impeached for dereliction of duty.
Initially Trump called Kim out on this. I guess his love blinded him.
That is what I don't get. If this was Obama he would be called a traitor. They would be screaming that all of this is a fruitless endeavor. Obama is a communist, etc.
Why is it that trump can stand up to our allies and try to strain these relationships, yet every dictator he bows down to.
Exactly.
Remember: during the campaign, Trump said, "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody... and not lose a single supporter.
The Trump True Believers TM continue to believe that Trump is anointed by God.
"Anointed by Lucifer."
Once again the great negotiator rolls on his back and pisses himself like a puppy.
"Anointed by Lucifer."
And Fox non-news propaganda.
Sad that so many Americans lack critical thinking skills.
i'm damn critical bout their thinking skills
"Mr. Trump said "I will take him at his word."
Sounds Good to me.
Does the President of These United States know EVERYTHING that goes on in this country ?
Very Seriously Doubt it !
Soooo... in a Long winded way, You are saying ….. The "President" of These United States knows everything ?
Sooooo…..The "President" of these United States doesn't know Everything ?
Does the "President" of these United States "KNOW EVERYTHING" going on in this country or NOT ?
So the President of These United States "Does" know everything ?
Not yet !
I asked a "Simple" question.....nothing more....nothing less !
Does The "President" of these United States know EVERYTHING going on in this country ?
More like impotent
Trump doesn't know jack shit. Kim Jung Un knows EVERYTHING that goes on in NK, especially things that have to do with American and other foreign prisoners. If that's what you were trying to imply.
Really ?
It's like.....YOU WERE THERE !
A very foolish and dangerous prededent!
It's a precedent he set in Helsinki, carried on with the Saudi murder squad and now with Kim torturing an American citizen to death.
And after all-- why shouldn't Trump believe the North Korean leader?
After all, he is a man of great integrity,and the highest moral principles!
All trump is doing is elevating the fat dictator and giving him the world wide status/recognition he craves.
And doing the Opposite, Like other Presidents have done…..did what now ?
I hear "Rocket man" got himself some nuclear weapons and some missiles that can carry them "Before" Trump.
Bullshit, they are in love doncha know.
Suuuure !
What has Trump Given up for "Rocket man" so far ?
Stopping military exercises in SK.
Should save the "American" tax payers money I'd say.
Not much there that helps "Rocket Man" though ! I hear his N.K. Navy is a bit lacking.
Are you honestly going to say that it doesn't help NK to get our military out of the area?
I'm honestly saying, and said, playing war costs money. Trump stopping it saves money.
Now where does Trump say we don't have Military over there anymore, because he cancelled the "Games" ?
Say what you want but yes, it was a concession for which we got nothing in return.
Only his time so we can finally (hopefully) denuke NoKo but only on Trump's/Pompeo's terms. By meeting with Kim Jung Un in Vietnam, they laid out some carrots to show him that enemies can be friends and how NoKo can also become part of the 21st century.
Nothing for nothing, it would have been much cheaper to let Pompeo and his counterparts do this the traditional bottom up diplomacy way.
This Trump attempt at top down diplomacy reportedly cost $6 million to the US taxpayers.
the flight alone? 3million
The only upside is that Vietnam placed an order with Boeing for $15.7 Billion complete with photo ops featuring Mr Trump.
Not sure Mr Trump's presence was necessary.
Separately General Electric singed a $5.3 Billion contract with Vietnam also.
So if I read it right, you're content to sacrifice training, and thus possibly lives so you can have a couple more bucks in your pocket...….?
Please...….. don't tell me you have "We support the troops" stickers on your cars too.
The politics aside it actually doesn't save money, the military will simply take the training budget saved there reallocate and spend it elsewhere.
True.
I also think it takes away training and preparedness. Also takes away training and knowledge from SK.
And storks bring babies.
Trump is being played because he is an ignorant fool.
I only hope that the USofA can recover from this buffoon.
You did not mention the many Vietnamese entrepreneurs that were selling Trump/Kim tee shirts. Capitalism lives!
Yup.
You OVER THINK things !
We...."Americans"....lost NOTHING !
They ….. "North Korea and/or Russia"...… got NOTHING !
You purposely UNDER THINK things. Ran than admit you, and Trump, are wrong you will double down on your nonsense.
Kim Jung Un requested a suspension of US and SK military training exercises at their last meeting, Trump agreed and gave that concession to him. Trump got nothing in return.
Actually, it saves money and lives because it is part of their TRAINING. But don't expect Trump and his supporters to know or understand that.
Sure....Fuel Doesn't cost a dime.
Bodies came home .... No Missile Tests anymore.....Sanctions in place increased even more.....
Nah.....TRUMP got nothing !
Remains from the 50's. Has nothing to do with modern day situations on the Korean peninsula.
How often do you expect missile tests? That like saying Trump is responsible for no hurricanes hitting the East coast since the last hurricanes. Ridiculous!
So Kim Jung Un gave Trump more sanctions????
your response:
1. None-sense
2. None-sense
3. None-sense
What this Country lost because of the NK/Trump thingy.....NOTHING !
Trump isn't into "Western Union" Night Deliveries to Placate !
What did it gain? NK gained an ending to US and SK military exercises, what did we gain in exchange?
Better check your English dictionary, no such word as "none-sense"...
But your reply is blatant NONSENSE!
Spelled out for you already in comment #2.2.21.
"Better check your English dictionary, no such word as "none-sense"..."
Meant just as I typed !
none
[nən]
PRONOUN
not any.
I'm willing to "PLAY" you "Game".
"But you reply is blatant NONSENSE!"
It's " Your "....not "YOU" !
[ Deleted ] None sense?? LOLOLOL
As you typed it, makes absolutely "no sense", which means it is utterly "nonsense". The fact that you are arguing about it shows that you are desperate for the mistake to not been acknowledged.
Congrats, you just gave yourself away.
Horrors!!! I got caught making a typo by someone who does not understand the English language. I'd have given you a pass on it, except you seem awfully desperate for it not to be acknowledged as an incorrect phrasing. Why is that?
yea, i made a typo once
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what, you're supposed to stop...?
And? Who's to blame for that? Did Obama ever publicly ridicule Kim?
There were more than 20 missiles fired by NoKo in Trump's first year in office.
That is more than all of the successful and failed attempts all the way back to 1976.
In Obama's 8 years there were 11 reported missile launches, some only claimed by NoKo with no verification;
Of those 11, 4 were spectacular public failures.
Now Kim has "won" virtual equality with the President of the USA, who seeks a peace treaty separate from the UN,
who has canceled military exercises that annoy only Kim and showers Kim with praise and photo ops.
For what? A dead hostage and the return of three other hostages taken on Trump's watch?
Trump did SOMETHING !
Obama did NOTHING !
Bush did NOTHING !
The best "DOER" of all was Billy Clinton. He gave N.K. Nuke Plans !
I KNOW....right !
I laughed too when I typed it !
It fit so well with your comments !
LOL, keep spinning....
Now that's FUNNY !
Well......"birds of a feather"......as they say. Seems to fit Trump and Kim to a T
Two things here toward the topic.
Why would you believe that the head of a country knows everything that is going on at the time it is happening? Would you expect Trump to know of every imprisoned person in this country? And to know what is going on in a daily basis for those people?
And there are global political considerations here as well.
We're talking about Kim, who's a control freak. When Otto was jailed it caused an international incident. There is no way Kim didn't know. And initially Trump called him out on it.
The issue is Trump announcing to a global audience that he believes Kim. Same thing as when he announced to a global audience that he believes Putin above his own intelligence agencies. There sure are global political considerations here, and Trump failed miserably at them. He believes murderous dictators and publicly fawns over them - he treats them better than our own allies.
Ain't that just the damndest thing? He sucks the dicks of our enemies and shits on our allies, it really it incredible.
Exactly.
Kim is a very weak leader-- he has little control over what goes on in his country.
And he certainly does not have much of a system of secret police.
(In addition. why would he even care about the capture of an American-- why would he think this should have any bearing on his relationship with the U.S.? And, finally-- why should he care what the U.S. thinks anyway?)
On second thought-- maybe I mis-interpreted your extremely brilliant comment???
Hah, I love it.
Me too.
So we have a known vile, hard handed ruler, that is known to kill any opposition against him. He has even killed his own family members and has forced labor camps, detention camps.
They took into custody a US citizen as a political prisoner and tortured the young man. So severely that he had severe brain damage and brain loss, that he would never be able to recover from.
And you are trying to say that this dictator, that kills people that swerve from doing things his way, did not know about this young American in their custody?
Then we have trump that is telling him that they will be an economic powerhouse with his help.
Wow. Just wow. Is there not one line that trump cannot cross where the right wing would not defend him?
Nope.
Just look below. MUVA ALMOST drew a line, but then retreated and defended dumb fuck instead.
That's why there is 1000' s of people that do nothing but research. Trump has enormous access to data and specialists to inform him.
But he rejects them..
The 'president' was aware of this high profile atrocity. And what Kim does to those who cross him, even family. All Wambler did was take a poster.
My mistake, are you referring to Kim?
Of course he knew of Wambler.
If Trump didn't lie in bed watching Fox and eating Big Macs while ignoring the daily security briefings; he could.
Kim is a DIEIY in his country. Kim rules SK with an iron fist and wipes out entire villages on a whim. The very concept that someone in South Korea would lay a hand on an American citizen, a very valuable commodity, without Kim's knowledge is laughable.
I don't expect Trump to know how to tie his own shoes...
And they are wholly irrelevant to this issue. Trump could have kept his fucking mouth shut, he could have answered the question WITHOUT giving Kim a 'get out of jail free' card, he could have considered the feelings of Otto's family. But that's not Trump. He want powerful men to 'like him' and he believes tyrants above all.
Oh and BTFW, taking an American citizen hostage is a 'global political consideration' that should NOT go unpunished.
Of course, because we all know leaders of totalitarian states that are hostile to the US are a much more reliable source of information than American intelligence agencies.
Seriously, the dumbest mother fucker to ever walk the planet. If he wasn't born rich he would without a doubt be homeless.
Or have his name etched on the Viet Nam war memorial.
SMH that anyone can defend this POS after all the bullshit lies and the sucking up to dictators and denigrating our allies.
He believes Kim
He believes Putin
He believes Mohammad Bin Salman
He doesn't believe US intelligence
He doesn't believe US allies
See a pattern here
Dictators good
Allies and US intelligence bad
And don't forgot he knows more than all the generals.
I hope Otto's family rips him a new one
So the Trump takes Kim at his word? Well...……….there it is--there you have it.
And so this means the next love letter from Kim to the American fearless leader will be in an envelope the size of eight feet by sixteen feet?
Kim and his secret police know the movements of all the citizens yet he doesn't know about an American in prison in NK when it was an international incident...
Gather up the Unicorns boys, we ride at midnight.
Camel dung. Two lies that they both think all the American people are stupid enough to believe.
He probably didn't know. After all, why would he be paying the slightest bit of attention to any particular one of the many innocent people being held prisoner in his prisons? Of course that doesn't excuse the fact that he runs a country where things like happen. It also doesn't undo the fact that no one has been arrested or punished for what happened to Otto. So, at the end of the day, whether Kim knew and whether or not Trump believes him are both unimportant.
Seriously? Is it so important to defend this joke of a President that you have to contort logic to such an extreme in order to do so?
"why would he be paying the slightest bit of attention to any particular one of the many innocent people being held prisoner in his prisons?"
“It is inconceivable that such a high profile American prisoner like Otto Warmbier, that Kim Jong-un would not know ,” said former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson who went to NK on behalf of the family and attempted to get Warmbier released.
That's just dumb. I'm not trying to do anything like that.
What's "high profile" about a college student?
I take it you weren't watching the news at the time then. When a story about a US citizen being detained and abused by an authoritarian regime is on every news channel for weeks when he was first arrested and then again for weeks after he was returned in a fatal coma, that is considered "high profile". I'm sure if he was your son you'd ask that same question, right? What's "high profile" about a college student? right?
Sure, he's important to his family. Walk up to a random person on the streets of America and ask them who Otto Warmbier was. Have you ever seen political man-on-the-street interviews? I bet at least 9 out of 10 won't know. And that's in America, where you might expect people to care. What makes you think Kim Jong Un cares?
Yes. It's a college student. Get some perspective. Just because an issue or a person is important to you doesn't mean that some despot half way around the world gives a shit. When it comes to international politics and a country that already has 200,000 political prisoners . . . no, a college student who stole a poster is not "high profile."
It's hard to imagine that even you know what you mean by that.
Of course he doesn't care. He executes people by flamethrower, for crying out loud.
But he knew. It was an international incident. And he knows what his prisons are like.
Maybe on the streets where you live. I had 6 clients come in so far this morning and I asked each one if they know who Otto Warmbeir was and every one of them knew and were outraged at the Presidents comments, even the one conservative Republican among them. It seems to me you're trying too hard to downplay the significance of this. Maybe you do realize how insane and unhinged this President has become and your only recourse is more deflect, distract and diminish any bad press he receives for his words and actions.
Trump didn't know! ... Surely...
Trump would never trust such a monster.
Surely.........
The student, no. The incident was high profile, it just happened with a college student.
Walk up to that same man on the street and ask him about the college student arrested by N. Korea and you'll get "oh yes, but I don't remember that boys name"
You realllllly think they arrested an American citizen and they decided not to ttell Kim they have an American?
It's an international incident for Pete's sake!
Do you even know anything about North Korea and its history of leaders? Kim knew EVERYTHING about Warmier. EVERYTHING. Whatever happened to him, was done explicitly by Kim's orders. This whole 'well, it just doesn't matter what the truth is and who believes who' is one of the most asinine things I've heard. So, at the end of the day, TRUTH MATTERS. It is important.
The Trump apologists who say nonsense like "maybe Kim didn't know" don't believe their own words... but they don't care.
Truth is unimportant. Loyalty to Trump is paramount.
Yes. That knowledge is why I said what I said. Maybe you're the one who needs to be educated about North Korea. For example, there are an estimated 150,000 to 200,000 political prisoners in North Korean prisons . You really think Kim Jong Un knows all their names?
Furthermore, Kim does not run those prisons. Those prisons are run by the State Security Department , which is the North Korean secret police. And while they do nominally report to Kim, they are an autonomous agency and their day-to-day affairs - especially as they relate to any specific individual - are probably not something Kim concerns himself with. I find it improbable and/or unimportant that Kim spends any time thinking about any particular political prisoner in their custody.
Do you think Hitler knew the names of everyone in the concentration camps?
Any suggestions that I have said anything trying to apologize for Trump or Kim is idiotic.
Your emoji is such a compelling comment.
Not.
You're delusional if you think Kim Jong Un gives two shits about the things that bother regular people - like how people are being treated in his prisons.
r u really this lost...
lil kim knows about Americans in custody, and he knows EVERYTHING about them
Wake up already
Just for the sake of argument, let's assume that's true.
So what?
Does that mean we're supposed to be disappointed that Kim is not the delicate and caring humanitarian you thought he was? Are we supposed to be crushed that he's not a man who cares about people? Would it be scandalous to find out that Kim knew about this treatment of Otto and did nothing?
Seriously, what was your vision of North Korea that you think this is a special development? What fantasyland were you living in?
No, we're supposed to be disappointed that our freaking President announced to the world that he takes the word of Kim - about something which is clearly a lie - over what we know to be true. A U.S. Federal Court determined that North Korea was responsible. It led to a ban on Americans visiting North Korea. It led to our Dept of State relisting North Korea as a state sponsor of terrorism. And now Trump pulls this. Why aren't you disappointed in what he said?
What I see is that some are needlessly disappointed that our freaking President announced to the world that he takes the word of Kim - about something which is unknowable and irrelevant - over what we know to be unimportant.
Would it matter if Kim knew? Why? Do you imagine it makes it better or worse that Otto is dead? Here's the choice I outlined above: Either Kim knew Otto was being tortured (which I doubt) or he is aware that stuff like that goes on in his prisons every day and he doesn't give a shit. I think the latter is more likely. And I think that's worse. For some reason, you and others here seem to think that makes it better or somehow excuses things. You seem to think that because I think Kim is indifferent to the suffering around him that I am endorsing him somehow. That's nuts.
The demons of the world don't spend two seconds feeling guilty about the horrors they allow in their countries. You really think that you and I and Otto and his family are important to lunatics like Kim? We're not.
Why do you keep defending trump when you know what he said makes him look like an idiot and in the process he hurt a grieving family.
Trump has become the "See No Evil", "Hear No Evil", "Speak No Evil" monkey. He's a fat orange orangutan with his tiny hands over his eyes, Kim Jong Un's little rocket in one ear, Mohammed bin Salman's royal member in the other with Putin's Tokarev in his mouth.
Sounds like Rump except for the little part
It's what I would have preferred him NOT to say, which is that he believed Kim. It's the same crap he pulled about Putin. And Trump certainly wasn't worried about placating Kim when he called him "little rocket man."
No, I wouldn't consider that anywhere close to Trump telling the world that he believed Putin above our own intelligence agencies that there was no attempt by Russia to influence the presidential election. And of course we now have proof that Putin tried to influence the election ... and tried again at the midterms (our military shut down a Russian troll farm's internet access on and around election day during the midterms).
I WILL do as I please.
President Obama is diplomatic
Rump is putin's puppet and dick sucker.
If I said what I think of your using Hitler for an example, Perrie would delete for gross profanity.
Oh? And how do you know how many Americans there were in NK prisons at the time that it would be impossible for Kim not to know he was there?
Well, that's kind of a shame. You'd think a grown-up would be able to discuss a topic without resorting to that kind of language. If you can't analyze the issue more reasonably, maybe you should consider the possibility that your reaction is purely emotional - in which case, maybe you have rushed to judgment based on some prejudice.
I haven't defended Trump at all so I don't know what you are talking about. Perhaps you are responding to someone else's comments?
I really don't know what you're talking about. I was talking about Kim Jong Un and you're going on about Trump. Are you sure your comment should be directed at me?
You're 100% right. In fact, it has already happened. [Deleted] His incendiary rhetoric was supposed to start World War III, as I recall. Now, suddenly, it's inhuman for Trump to speak of Kim diplomatically.
It'd be neat if they could make up their minds.
Taking him at his word may or may not mean he believes there is any truth to what he said. I suspect it's more like an acceptance that this is what Kim is claiming and there's not much to be done for it one way or the other. In either event, it's not as if Trump or anyone else is going to take - or refrain from - specific action based on that belief. So what is there to get upset over?
Do you believe Trump - or any other politician - was ever going to take steps to punish Kim for Otto Warmbier? If you do, I'd say that's naive.
I never said it was impossible for him to not know he was there. I said it was not likely that he was paying attention to the state of his physical condition.
You'd think a grown-up would be able to discuss a topic without resorting to... Hitler.
How could Kim not know? That entire premise is BS.
So, let me see if I understand your complaint. You object to me putting Kim Jong Un in the same category as Hitler? Why??
Because responsibility for monitoring the day-to-day health of 200,000 political prisoners is someone else's concern. Frankly, that would be the case in any country. Do you imagine that the President of the United States (any president) is monitoring the health of all the prisoners in the country?
. . . is a really lazy attempt at an argument. If you disagree with me, at least try to marshall the energy to say why.
Nope. You don't understand.
And your lame attempt to drag me into a useless argument is totally laughable.
No, but I bet he could've rattled off how many American students at one of his camps
Since the beginning of time, high profile hostages have been valuable. There is NO more valuable hostage to Kim than an American. No one in SK would touch a hair on Otto's head without Kim's OK. Otto was tortured and Kim ordered it. PERIOD full stop.
Utter bullshit. It IS important to KNOW and SPEAK the truth. It sure as hell IS important it Trump is actually so delusional that he thinks that there are rouges in SK torturing Kim's prize hostages without Kim's knowledge.
Of course we already know that Trump deludes himself about Putin and MBS.
Wow! I'm impressed with your detailed knowledge of the inner workings of the North Korean empire, to say nothing of your knowledge of the man himself. Amazing. How long were you ensconced in his inner circle? Tell us more!
American hostages are almost always worth their weight in gold
Kim knows that and the guards and their supervisor(s) are most likely dead by execution or doing hard labor long ago.
I can imagine that Kim cannot believe Trump's current exoneration of Kim and by extension, NoKo itself.
And that is disgraceful.
Your silly comments are grating on my every last nerve.
Otto Warmbier Was a trophy for Kim. You seem to be the only one lacking the ability to have figured it out.
What they said...
That would seem to be your problem. Maybe try a nice cup of tea.
So . . . he had his trophy killed? Does that make sense?
You'd think someone like Kim would want to take better care of his gold, then.
If the guy was SO valuable and Kim was SO focused on him, then explain how this high profile, high value hostage was allowed to be beaten to death so that they got NOTHING for him.
Oh but Kim DID get something. Unlike other NK hostages, Kim got the US government to deal with him one on one instead of through intermediaries.
Kim's goons screwed up. They went too far, they used too much juice and fried Otto's brain. They hide that fact so that they could keep using him as a bargaining chip.
Oh Noooooooo !
I think it's great when the "Head-of-the-class" actually wants to be personally involved instead of using surrogates !
It means the "Head-of-the-class" is actually involved !
Trump, as with everything else, thought it would be easy. Trump thinks he can either bully or charm people into anything. He thought he could get concessions from Kim and claim his Peace Prize. When he's not destroying what Obama did, he's trying to do what Obama didn't. It doesn't matter to Trump that there was a REASON why it wasn't done before.
He failed with Mexico and Canada and now he's failed TWICE with Korea. Instead of a Peace Prize, he's given Kim credibility on the world stage, weakened our relationship with other countries in the region, especially South Korea and all for NOTHING but photo ops...
First of all, there has been no concrete benefit to that. Second, once again, you don't murder someone who is valuable. Third, Otto Warmbier didn't have anything to do with Trump talking to Kim. Trump is doing it to avert a war that seemed all but inevitable when he took office.
How could that happen if Kim is as on top of everything as you claim?
In a regime that is based almost exclusively on propaganda, there is a large value in a photo op with Trump.
Oh I'm pretty sure that they didn't mean to KILL him, they just wanted to torture him and they went too far.
If they didn't have one on one communication, HOW can Trump take credit for bringing Otto home?
Oh come on. That's utter bullshit.
The only place war with NK was inevitable is in Trump's deluded mind. Unless Trump has a death wish and wants to take us all with him, his own over the top rhetoric belies that claim.
Not to worry. We're safe. Trump declared after the first meeting that NK is no longer a threat.
Do you feel better now?
You keep saying that but you haven't explained how that value manifests.
I'm talking about denuclearization talks. I'm talking about peace treaty talks. That's the "talking" that matters.
That's fine. Perhaps you think the status quo with North Korea is not a problem. Perhaps you think that it was more likely to lead to good things - peace and stability, for example. I think you'd be wrong, but you're entitled your opinion.
Exactly my point.
thanks for participating.
Oh sorry, I had no idea that you were so uninformed about the NK regime and their propaganda practices.
Kim brought his own film crew to both of the 'peace talks'. He'll be playing it as 'Great leader' propaganda right quick. One can only imagine what bullshit the narrator will be spewing as it's played on NK state TV.
Except those 'talks' happened long before Trump set foot in Viet Nam for his photo op. Both Trump and Kim thought that they could bullshit each other into more concessions. Thankfully, Pompeo was there...
What I think IS a problem in this discussion is bullshit fearmongering.
Peace and stability isn't either of their goals.
You're NOT entitled to falsely characterize my opinion.
Like "Judge Judy" ALWAYS says....Don't tell me what you think or what someone else told you …. show me it's true" !
Your comment would be relevant if we were in a court of law. Since we aren't, it's moot.
........ In everyday life !
Spigots are called spouts....and most times.....it's only about water !
That's two...
When does he ever post a relevant comment?
I was on Four....your behind !
To "Spout" :
1. To speak (about someone or something) in a particularly boastful or arrogant manner.
I was only counting replies to me in this thread...
I guess to Trump the crime of stealing a piece of paper is reasonable grounds for a lengthy prison sentence.
Trump is psychologically disturbed. I'm not trying to be funny or snide, that is his nature.
And always has been. His parents shipped him off to military school for a good reason.
The Warmbier family officially stated , “We have been respectful during this summit process. Now, we must speak out. Kim and his evil regime are responsible for the death of our son Otto. Kim and his evil regime are responsible for unimaginable cruelty and inhumanity. No excuses or lavish praise can change that.”
So glad they blasted what trump said. He is a moronic twit praising a dictator.
We're so accustomed to Trump's boorishness, that we don't see the ramifications of his casual cruelty...
I can only imagine what the family must have felt when they heard Trump say "I take him at his word". I think if I was Otto's father I would have been physically sick at hearing such vile lies and undeserved praise for the man who killed my son coming from the President of the United States. It's truly incomprehensible.
Most of us see it, only the deporables don't see it or won't see it and it leaves me shaking my head that anyone can defend him saying this.
Finally they have spoken out:
Trump, taking Kim 'at his word,' is rebuked by Warmbier's parents
After it became clear that he would leave Vietnam without reaching a deal to denuclearize North Korean, Trump told reporters Thursday that Kim, whom he has praised lavishly and called a “friend,” had no personal responsibility for Warmbier’s death.
“In those prisons and those camps you have a lot of people, and some really bad things happened to Otto, some really, really bad things,” Trump said. “But he tells me he didn’t know about it, and I will take him at his word.”
“We have been respectful during the summit process,” Fred and Cindy Warmbier wrote in a statement. “Now we must speak out. Kim and his evil regime are responsible for the death of our son Otto. Kim and his evil regime are responsible for unimaginable cruelty and inhumanity. No excuses or lavish praise can change that.”
The president’s accommodating statement about the North Korean leader, which echoed the trust he placed in Vladimir Putin’s assurance that Russia had not attempted to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, drew scorn from members of his own party.
Trump NEVER said it didn't happen nor did he EVER say "It wasn't a bad thing" !
Trump said he would have to Take "Kimmies" word for it as to knowledge !
Kinda refreshing seeing someone not "Jump" on board the "Everyone Sucks" (Rocket man ain't great for sure) with no actual Proof to say otherwise.
Does everyone REALLY think Trump thinks Kim is Great ?
Did everyone think Obama thought the Iran leader was Great when he funneled Billions back to them ? Of course....it didn't do much as this country got NOTHING for those billions. I'd just call Obama a "Bone Head", but not a lover of Maroons !!
It's all a GAME where some win and some lose, and some even just forfeit/giveup !
Trump should have kept his trap shut. Fawning over a dictator and screwing over an American family by saying anything that comes into his puny brain without thinking of the consequences.
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This is NOT about Obama.
He was fawning all over Kim by saying what he said and made himself look like a total douche canoe for saying it.
Same Fucking thing, but Obama's was WORSE !
This is NOT whataboutism, please keep up with current events.
One "Whataboutism" deserves another !
A double blast. Ouch !
Let's look at your comparison.
Right now, we have a President in Office who just accepted the false words from an authoritarian murderous dictator who was instrumental in the unjustified unwarranted torture and killing of an American citizen, a young college student, and the President shrugs his shoulders and says "I Take Kim at his word".
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Several years ago, President Obama worked with the P5+1 (the permanent members of the United Nations Security Council—the United States, the United Kingdom, Russia, France, and China—plus Germany) and the European Union, to negotiate a deal to stop Iran from enriching uranium and progressing towards nuclear weapons. They achieved their goal, have real verifiable evidence that Iran did give up its nuclear program (despite all the bullshit rhetoric coming from know-nothing conservatives), and the supposed "billions" some claim the US "gave" Iran was their own money and assets we had seized under sanctions along with a payment the courts ruled we owed them for goods they never received but that they had paid for from 35 years ago.
To compare the two is laughably ridiculous. It's like comparing apples and orangutans.
Which says a lot about Trump.
But its not the first time he's chosen to believe really sleazy liars over more reputable sources-- its actually a pattern of his. He loves dictators-- especially those who are America's enemies.
Another example,
“The president launched into several unrelated diatribes. One of those was commenting on the recent missile launches by the government of North Korea. And, essentially, the president said he did not believe that the North Koreans had the capability to hit us here with ballistic missiles in the United States. And he did not believe that because President Putin had told him they did not.
Diplomacy (Game)
Negotiation phase:
In the negotiation phase, players communicate with each other to discuss tactics and strategy, form alliances, and share intelligence or spread disinformation about mutual adversaries. Negotiations may be made public or kept private. Players are not bound to anything they say or promise during this period, and no agreements of any sort are enforceable.
Communication and trust are highly important for this strategy game. Players must forge alliances with others and observe their actions to evaluate their trustworthiness. At the same time, they must convince others of their own trustworthiness while making plans to turn against their allies when least expected. A well-timed betrayal can be just as profitable as an enduring, reliable alliance.
Cheating can be a large part of certain diplomacy games. Some hosts allow for players to submit false copies of sheets for other players, thus changing their moves. This only works if the person who has their moves replaced is not paying attention when the host is reading out the moves.
Trump is a quisling.
Two 10s for a 5.
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