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House Democrats explode in recriminations as liberals lash out at moderates

  

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Via:  cms5  •  5 years ago  •  49 comments

House Democrats explode in recriminations as liberals lash out at moderates
The Democratic infighting reflects a fractured caucus and diverse freshman class, with dozens of moderates elected in districts that President Trump won in 2016 at odds with hard-charging liberals. The split has exposed divisions among Pelosi and her top lieutenants, Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) and Majority Whip James E. Clyburn (D-S.C.), over the party strategy to keep its newfound majority.

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House Democrats exploded in recriminations Thursday over moderates bucking the party, with liberal Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez threatening to put those voting with Republicans “on a list” for a primary challenge.

In a closed-door session, a frustrated Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) lashed out at about two dozen moderates and pressured them to get on board. “We are either a team or we’re not, and we have to make that decision,” Pelosi said, according to two people present but not authorized to discuss the remarks publicly.

But Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), the unquestioned media superstar of the freshman class, upped the ante, admonishing the moderates and indicating she would help liberal activists unseat them in the 2020 election. 

Corbin Trent, a spokesman for Ocasio-Cortez, said she told her colleagues that Democrats who side with Republicans “are putting themselves on a list.”

“She said that when activists ask her why she had to vote for a gun safety bill that also further empowers an agency that forcibly injects kids with psychotropic drugs, they’re going to want a list of names and she’s going to give it to them,” Trent said, referring to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Triggering the blowup was Wednesday’s votes on a bill to expand federal background checks for gun purchases. Twenty-six moderate Democrats joined Republicans in amending the legislation, adding a provision requiring that ICE be notified if an illegal immigrant seeks to purchase a gun.

That infuriated liberals who have railed against ICE’s role in conducting mass deportations and embarrassed Democratic leaders who couldn’t keep their members in line on a high-profile bill.

The Democratic infighting reflects a fractured caucus and diverse freshman class, with dozens of moderates elected in districts that President Trump won in 2016 at odds with hard-charging liberals. The split has exposed divisions among Pelosi and her top lieutenants, Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) and Majority Whip James E. Clyburn (D-S.C.), over the party strategy to keep its newfound majority.

Republicans have capitalized on the divide, using legislative tactics to split politically vulnerable moderates from the party leadership. In the coming months, votes on health care, the environment and spending bills could cause more extreme breaks in the Democratic ranks.

While the party’s left wing has gotten outsize attention for its aggressive moves to push Democrats in their direction, the splinter faction is made up of the party’s moderates — many of them freshmen taking their first congressional votes.

They insist they are not going to be dissuaded from voting with their districts, and many are warning that majority control is at stake.

“It’s this class of members that got elected that are the reason we have the majority,” said Rep. Stephanie Murphy (D-Fla.), a co-chairman of the moderate Blue Dog Coalition. “Many of them come from these [moderate] districts, and their promise to their constituents was that they were going to put people over politics.”

Inside the Democratic meeting, one of those freshmen — Rep. Xochitl Torres Small (D-N.M.) — reacted sharply to Ocasio-Cortez’s comments and rose to urge her colleagues to respect the political reality of representing a swing district, according to multiple people present. A spokesman for Torres Small did not respond to a request for comment.

Several are also pushing to reform or eliminate the procedural tactic that has prompted the uproar — the “motion to recommit,” which essentially gives the minority party one final opportunity to amend a bill moments before it comes up for a final vote.

Pelosi trained much of her closed-door frustrations on veteran lawmakers, noting some held seats on coveted committees. “What is this?” she asked, according to the aides.

Later, when one lawmaker talked about the peril of persistently voting with party leaders on these motions, Pelosi responded that the party stood ready to help team players: “We have a massive M.A.S.H. operation and, frankly, it should be there for those who have the courage to take the vote.”

Publicly and privately, Pelosi has urged members to treat the Republican motions as procedural feints that should be routinely ignored. “Vote no — just vote no,” she told reporters Thursday, “because the fact is, a vote yes is to give leverage to the other side.” But Hoyer and Clyburn believe that is untenable when Republicans stand ready to use those votes as political cudgels against vulnerable Democrats.

Republicans, during their past eight-year majority, maintained remarkable discipline on these procedural votes. Democrats did not manage to pass a single one from 2011 through 2018. But Democrats have already lost two this year, and during their previous majority from 2007 through 2010, they lost roughly one in every five.

“The fact of the matter is, it didn’t affect our ability to pass substantive legislation that was very positive and had a positive effect on the American people,” Hoyer said, recalling the last Democratic majority and playing down the importance of those votes.

But others say routine Democratic defections threaten to have more serious consequences when the party considers more sensitive bills — and perhaps has a Democratic Senate and president to pass them into law. Already some said they are fretting about the possibility of more Republican mischief.

“People need to be aware that coming down the road will be gotcha amendments that actually gut the bill, and if we want to be able to move legislation forward, we’re going to have to figure out a way to deal with it,” said House Rules Committee Chairman Jim McGovern (D-Mass.).

The philosophical differences between the three leaders have frustrated some incoming freshmen, who are already bewildered by the practice of voting on the surprise Republican amendments. Members typically have only a few minutes notice before having to cast votes on motions that, in recent practice, are crafted to be as politically uncomfortable as possible for the majority party.

“We hear lots of different things from lots of different members of our leadership about their views on this issue, and they should get together and figure it out,” said Rep. Elissa Slotkin (D-Mich.).

A few Democrats said Thursday that the motion to recommit should be jettisoned entirely. “It’s archaic, it’s ridiculous, and it only shows our stupidity that we still have it,” said Rep. Juan Vargas (D-Calif.).

But others in party leadership were more wary of eroding one of the few tools handed to the minority in an institution where the majority typically enjoys absolute power. “What goes around comes around — you have to keep that in mind,” McGovern said.

Hoyer has offered support for changing the procedure surrounding motions to recommit, giving members more time to review the minority amendment. But Democratic leaders have made no final decision about whether to pursue that, and lawmakers left Washington Thursday saying only that there will be further conversations about it.

Republican leaders, meanwhile, warned against any changes. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) told reporters Thursday that changes “would be a nuclear option” and “would leave a stain on this majority just two months in.”

“Never once did we discuss, did we bring up the option or even entertain the idea,” McCarthy said about the GOP’s past majority. “Less than 60 days into a majority, they want to silence a minority? That is wrong.”

mike.debonis@washpost.com


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Texan1211
Professor Principal
1  Texan1211    5 years ago

Laughed like hell when I read this.

People like Harris, AOC, Warren, Booker, Sanders, etc. are going to be doing great damage to the Democratic Party.

Can't say I am real upset over that!

 
 
 
cms5
Freshman Quiet
1.1  seeder  cms5  replied to  Texan1211 @1    5 years ago
People like Harris, AOC, Warren, Booker, Sanders, etc. are going to be doing great damage to the Democratic Party.

They are all sitting on the weed smokin' train to nowhere!

Once the young and enthusiastic voters realize that they will end up paying towards all of the 'free' stuff being offered...it will be the end of the line.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  cms5 @1.1    5 years ago

Where's all that free stuff?  How can I get it while I'm smoking weed?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to    5 years ago

wow are you bossy

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.4  Tessylo  replied to    5 years ago

You should try it.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.4    5 years ago

I heard it's good for removing certain things from certain areas

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.6    5 years ago

jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.8  Tessylo  replied to    5 years ago

I'm actually enjoying some right now.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @1    5 years ago

Didn't Pelosi recently say  “Our diversity is our strength; our unity is our power.”?   Democrats have had a long history of keeping congressional members in line, but now they have little miss moron to act as the enforcer and as she puts it - work to replace moderates with liberal activists. I think Ms Cortez forgot (or maybe never knew) that it is because of those moderate victories that the democrats were able to take back the House.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
1.2.1  Ronin2  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    5 years ago

In their defense (though it is not much of one), Republicans did the same thing when they gained power and expunged the moderates from their party.  Now they will need those moderates back to have any chance of taking back the House. 

The middle is a rapidly diminishing place for politicians to be successful.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
1.2.2  Kavika   replied to  Ronin2 @1.2.1    5 years ago
Republicans did the same thing when they gained power and expunged the moderates from their party. 

The Tea Party and the Freedom Caucus are perfect examples of that. And now they need the moderates back to gain any seats in the house. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @1.2.1    5 years ago
Republicans did the same thing when they gained power and expunged the moderates from their party.

Let me refresh your memory. Speaker Paul Ryan had all of President Trumps legislation pinned to reforming Obamacare (the American Health Care Act) . All Republicans had to do was stick together. It came down to one vote, that of a moderate Senator. The lack of unity by Republicans was very costly in those first two Trump years, because that is the time when a President gets most of his key legislation done.

There is no question about it. Republicans prefer to think for themselves while democrats follow the leader.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.5  Vic Eldred  replied to    5 years ago

In some cases with the Shepherd leading them into the slaughterhouse

 
 
 
cms5
Freshman Quiet
2  seeder  cms5    5 years ago
Publicly and privately, Pelosi has urged members to treat the Republican motions as procedural feints that should be routinely ignored. “Vote no — just vote no,” she told reporters Thursday, “because the fact is, a vote yes is to give leverage to the other side.” But Hoyer and Clyburn believe that is untenable when Republicans stand ready to use those votes as political cudgels against vulnerable Democrats.

Evidently, there are those who dare to disobey Pelosi.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
3  It Is ME    5 years ago

I just saw yours, so I took mine down. 

I think we have found Nicolás Maduro's doppelgänger :

Ocasio-Cortez -(Maduro) ……. She's starting her "Hit List" too ! Democrat Socialists are Great. jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
cms5
Freshman Quiet
3.1  seeder  cms5  replied to  It Is ME @3    5 years ago

Her list is small...but she's only been there two months.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
3.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  cms5 @3.1    5 years ago

Let's you know that THIS "Leftist" Party.....REALLY, REALLY, REALLY doesn't like "Blue Dog Democrats", unlike 2010....when they weren't wanted by Lefties either. jrSmiley_92_smiley_image.png

Oh …. wait.....this is the same thing. My bad ! jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
3.2  Cerenkov  replied to  It Is ME @3    5 years ago

Sandy is a gift to the right.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
5  bbl-1    5 years ago

This Mike DeBonis Washington Post piece sounds more like a GOPER wish list than anything else.

After all, GOPER agendas:  Tax cuts.  Deregulation.  Mexican paid for wall.  End to Choice.  Forced christian/biblical indoctrination in education.  Dirty air.  Dirtier water.  Condos on the N. Korean coast.  Easier access to high quality Russian hookers.   These nine items are good starters.  I'm sure there are a few more GOPER agendas in the wings.

Ocasio Cortez, against that GOPER agenda you can sleep walk through em'.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
5.1  It Is ME  replied to  bbl-1 @5    5 years ago
Ocasio Cortez, against

Just say ……...…. NO ! jrSmiley_90_smiley_image.gif

Great "Agenda" the D.S. types have ! jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
6  The Magic 8 Ball    5 years ago

the lunatic left chasing out the remaining moderates was predictable and I did.

the real question is...  are you not entertained? 

I am :)

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
6.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @6    5 years ago

Brings to mind Wild Bill Hickock's famous quote, "Are you satisfied?".jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
cms5
Freshman Quiet
6.3  seeder  cms5  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @6    5 years ago
the real question is...  are you not entertained? 

It would be amusing as hell if it weren't for the fact that so many have jumped on the 'lunatic' wagon promising that the government will take care of the planet and you! Years ago, they tastefully hid their desire for 'your' vote...now they behave like mad lemmings...all leaping for your vote AND carrying this Nation over the cliff.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
6.3.1  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  cms5 @6.3    5 years ago
the fact that so many have jumped on the 'lunatic' wagon

don't fall for the hype... their numbers are greatly exaggerated. they always counted democrat moderates as their own.

once they are done chasing moderates out of their ranks they will be but a shadow of their former selves

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
7  Ronin2    5 years ago

I thought the Democratic Party was supposed to be the "big tent party" that was open to a wide range of views. Seems that they are eating their own again by forcing a liberal litmus test.

Of course the hard right Republicans were no better forcing out their moderate members when they gained power.

Seems once a party gains power moderates are no longer needed, or wanted. Maybe all of the DINO's and RINO's should get together and form their own party?

Washington can't get anything done with the current two party system; adding a real (moderate) 3rd party that has establishment backing might be what is needed to kick start things.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
9  Jasper2529    5 years ago
Corbin Trent, a spokesman for Ocasio-Cortez, said she told her colleagues that Democrats who side with Republicans “are putting themselves on a list.”

If Valerie Jarrett had a daughter?

Jarrett's list (presumably she shared it in some manner with Obama) was disclosed by Naom Scheiber , in the November 8, 2014 issue of the New Republic, a liberal magazine. ("The Obama whisperer: No one knew Valerie Jarrett's role until now.") Even among her liberal colleagues, she was an "an object of fear and scorn," according to Scheiber.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
10  Nerm_L    5 years ago

We saw the beginnings during the 2016 Democratic convention when Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was forced out.  The old-guard Democratic leadership dismissed the insurgent movement within the party and simply went on with politics as usual.  It didn't require a crystal ball to predict that the Bernie-bots meme would backfire.  The old-guard appeared to think the insurgency would just fade away as did Occupy Wall Street.  But ideas that motivated OWS haven't really gone away.

Nancy Pelosi is scolding moderates because she could be forced out, too.  What is happening is a fight for leadership of the Democratic Party; Pelosi knows which way the wind is blowing.  Pelosi wants to keep her position and status; she'll do what it takes to stay in the Speaker's chair.  The insurgency is determined to remove the taint of neo-liberal nonsense (what Blue Dogs call moderate) from the Democratic Party.  Ronald Reagan is politically dead and Clinton political ideology is no longer relevant.

No, this isn't about Bernie Sanders either.  Sanders bumbled into the right place at the right time.  The insurgency used Bernie; not the other way round.  What the insurgency is about are decades of unfilled Democratic promises.  Barack Obama didn't deliver; the status quo politics of Republicans and Democrats was an obstacle.  The insurgency is expecting more than just promises and neo-liberal compromises.  Screw the world order; its time for change in the United States.  If people thought the behavior of the TEA Party toward Republicans was bad, they ain't seen anything yet.

The insurgents in the Democratic Party are activists, not politicians.  And those insurgents aren't going to display a lot of patience for politics.  Activists pursue ideas and the status quo is a barrier that must be removed.  

 
 

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