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Anti-climate Science Totalitarians

  

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Via:  make-america-great-again  •  5 years ago  •  35 comments

Anti-climate Science Totalitarians
No way! the climate alarmists rant. How dare you question our disaster claims? Our settled science? No! How dare YOU use those claims to justify your agenda – and your continued efforts to bludgeon and silence us into submission – without letting anyone examine, much less debate, your supposed evidence?

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Democrats, climate campaigners and renewable energy interests are in full outrage mode over news that President Trump intends to launch a Presidential Committee on Climate Science.

The PCCS would, at long last, review and question the “dangerous manmade climate change” reports by federal agencies and investigations funded by them. The committee would be led by Dr. Will Happer, a highly respected scientist and well known skeptic – not of climate change, but of manmade climate chaos. He would be joined by other prominent experts – of whom there are many – who share his doubts.

No way! the climate alarmists rant. How dare you question our disaster claims? Our settled science?

No! How dare YOU use those claims to justify your agenda – and your continued efforts to bludgeon and silence us into submission – without letting anyone examine, much less debate, your supposed evidence?

For years, you have loudly and incessantly asserted that the United States and world must end fossil fuel use, or we are “doomed.” Now you’re demanding that the United States completely upend its energy production, transportation and manufacturing sectors, housing and office buildings, and entire economy. You want the federal government to control and limit our lives, choices and living standards – and redistribute our wealth, even to those “unwilling to work,” according to confiscatory socialist principles.

For years, you Democrats, environmentalists, Deep State bureaucrats, government-grant-dependent scientists, news and social media have colluded to censor and silence manmade climate chaos skeptics, and stifle any debate. All of you have huge financial, reputational and power stakes in this.

Your Climate Industrial Complex is a $2-trillion-per-year global behemoth. Your Green New Deal would cost this nation up to $93 trillion by 2030 – sticking every US family with a $65,000 annual bill.

And still you insist that the science is settled, that there is no room for discussion, that we must act immediately to “save the planet” from climate and extreme weather disaster. Now you want to wrap up your kangaroo court proceedings – with our side given no opportunity to present our evidence, defend fossil fuels and carbon dioxide, examine your alleged evidence, or cross-examine your experts.

If your evidence is so solid and unimpeachable, you should be more than happy to lay it on the table, subject it to scrutiny, question our experts, and let us question yours – extensively and mercilessly.

After all, the future of our planet is at stake – or so you claim. The future of our country certainly is.

Your radical agenda and actions are un-American, totalitarian, anti-science, and contrary to our most fundamental principles of open, robust debate – on one of the most critical issues in US history.

A large majority of Americans believe global warming is happening. Well, it certainly is. No one denies that. And thank goodness, or we’d still be stuck in the Little Ice Age. But that’s not the issue. The issues are: Is any likely future warming going to be disastrous? And are fossil fuels to blame?

You claim the answer is yes. Again, where is your proof? If you have any actual evidence, lay it on the table. Show us exactly where the natural forces that have driven countless climate changes throughout history end – and where the human factors begin. Quantify them. Don’t give us computer models that simply reflect the assumptions that went into them. Present solid, Real World evidence. If you have any.

While you’re at it, you also need to prove that dismantling America’s energy and economic system will make one whit of difference in our climate and weather (assuming for the sake of argument that human carbon dioxide emissions now drive climate and weather) – when China, India and other countries are building thousands of coal and natural gas fueled power plants, and millions of cars and trucks.

Their emissions already dwarf ours. And they are not going to give up fossil fuels for decades, if ever.

Prove your GND energy system can actually power America, without destroying jobs, living standards, manufacturing, health, prosperity and environment. As I have said over, overand over, it cannot be done. Your alternatives are not workable, affordable, green, renewable, ethical, ecological or sustainable.

Here’s just a few of the Real World climate science facts that alarmists don’t want exposed or discussed.

Temperatures have risen by tenths or hundredths of a degree in recent years – less than the margin of error, and most of the “highest temperatures on record” have been in urban areas, where local manmade heat skews the data. We’re also experiencing record cold and snow in numerous locations.

The average prediction by 102 climate models is now a full degree Fahrenheitabove what satellites are measuring. Michael Mann’s climate model could concoct hockey sticks from telephone numbers and other random numbers. Are we supposed to trust these models on critical energy policy?

Violent tornadoes (F3 to F5) averaged 56 per year from 1950 to 1985. But from 1986 to 2018 only 34 per year touched down in the USA on average – and for the first time ever not one did in 2018. The March 3 Alabama tornado was tragic, and the 2-mile-wide 2013 Oklahoma City monster lasted 40 minutes. But the 1925 Tri-State Twister was a mile wide, traveled a record 220 miles, lasted a record 3.5 hours, and killed a record 695 people.

Hurricanes becoming more frequent and intense? From 1920 through 1940, ten Category 3-5 hurricanes made US landfall; from 1960 through 1980, eleven; 1980 through 2000, ten; 2001 through 2018, nine. There is no trend. Moreover, Harvey and Irma in 2017 were the first category 3-5 hurricanes to make U.S. landfall in a record twelve years. The previous record was nine years, set in the Civil War era.

A warmer Arctic? The Washington Postdid report that “the Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer, and in some places seals are finding the water too hot.” But that was in 1922!

Polar bear populations are the highest on record: between 24,500 and 28,500 or more of them!

Oceans cannot become “more acidic,”because they are not and have never been acidic. Earth’s oceans are slightly alkaline. That slight alkalinity has decreased slightly (from 8.2 on the pH scale to 8.1) over the past few decades. But they are not getting acidic … and won’t anytime soon.

Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. It is the miracle molecule without which most life on Earth would cease to exist. In fact, the more CO2 in the air, the faster and better crop, forest and grassland plants grow – and the better they can withstand droughts, diseases, and damage from insects and viruses.

In fact, a slightly warmer planet with more atmospheric CO2 would be tremendously beneficial for plants, wildlife and humanity. A colder planet with lesscarbon dioxide would greatly reduce arable land extent, growing seasons, wildlife habitats, crop production and our ability to feed humanity.

Millions of Americans are exasperated and angry about Republicans like Congressman John Shimkus of Illinois, who recently whined that it’s “just not worth the fight anymore” to battle climate alarmism – and protect our nation’s and our children’s future. These elected officials badly need spinal implants. Or they should resign and turn their seats over to someone who will fight for us.

That’s why tens of millions hope the President Trump we elected to clean out the Deep State, get to the bottom of manmade climate chaos pseudo-science … and Make America Great Again for decades to come … will demonstrate his Real Leadership skills right now, when it is so sorely needed.

Mr. Trump: Please stand up to these Climate Totalitarians who want to destroy our nation, in the name of saving the planet from climate disasters that exist only in computer models, Hollywood movies, and self-serving assertions from the Climate Industrial Complex.

Appoint your Presidential Committee on Climate Science right now. And may the best science win.


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XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
1  seeder  XXJefferson51    5 years ago

“Again, where is your proof? If you have any actual evidence, lay it on the table. Show us exactly where the natural forces that have driven countless climate changes throughout history end – and where the human factors begin. Quantify them. Don’t give us computer models that simply reflect the assumptions that went into them. Present solid, Real World evidence. If you have any.

While you’re at it, you also need to prove that dismantling America’s energy and economic system will make one whit of difference in our climate and weather (assuming for the sake of argument that human carbon dioxide emissions now drive climate and weather) – when China, India and other countries are building thousands of coal and natural gas fueled power plants, and millions of cars and trucks.

Their emissions already dwarf ours. And they are not going to give up fossil fuels for decades, if ever.

Prove your GND energy system can actually power America, without destroying jobs, living standards, manufacturing, health, prosperity and environment. As I have said over, overand over, it cannot be done. Your alternatives are not workable, affordable, green, renewable, ethical, ecological or sustainable.

Here’s just a few of the Real World climate science facts that alarmists don’t want exposed or discussed.

Temperatures have risen by tenths or hundredths of a degree in recent years – less than the margin of error, and most of the “highest temperatures on record” have been in urban areas, where local manmade heat skews the data. We’re also experiencing record cold and snow in numerous locations.

The average prediction by 102 climate models is now a full degree Fahrenheitabove what satellites are measuring. Michael Mann’s climate model could concoct hockey sticks from telephone numbers and other random numbers. Are we supposed to trust these models on critical energy policy?

Violent tornadoes (F3 to F5) averaged 56 per year from 1950 to 1985. But from 1986 to 2018 only 34 per year touched down in the USA on average – and for the first time ever not one did in 2018. The March 3 Alabama tornado was tragic, and the 2-mile-wide 2013 Oklahoma City monster lasted 40 minutes. But the 1925 Tri-State Twister was a mile wide, traveled a record 220 miles, lasted a record 3.5 hours, and killed a record 695 people.

Hurricanes becoming more frequent and intense? From 1920 through 1940, ten Category 3-5 hurricanes made US landfall; from 1960 through 1980, eleven; 1980 through 2000, ten; 2001 through 2018, nine. There is no trend. Moreover, Harvey and Irma in 2017 were the first category 3-5 hurricanes to make U.S. landfall in a record twelve years. The previous record was nine years, set in the Civil War era.

A warmer Arctic? The Washington Postdid report that “the Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer, and in some places seals are finding the water too hot.” But that was in 1922!

Polar bear populations are the highest on record: between 24,500 and 28,500 or more of them!

Oceans cannot become “more acidic,”because they are not and have never been acidic. Earth’s oceans are slightly alkaline. That slight alkalinity has decreased slightly (from 8.2 on the pH scale to 8.1) over the past few decades. But they are not getting acidic … and won’t anytime soon.

Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. It is the miracle molecule without which most life on Earth would cease to exist. In fact, the more CO2 in the air, the faster and better crop, forest and grassland plants grow – and the better they can withstand droughts, diseases, and damage from insects and viruses.

In fact, a slightly warmer planet with more atmospheric CO2 would be tremendously beneficial for plants, wildlife and humanity. A colder planet with lesscarbon dioxide would greatly reduce arable land extent, growing seasons, wildlife habitats, crop production and our ability to feed humanity....

...That’s why tens of millions hope the President Trump we elected to clean out the Deep State, get to the bottom of manmade climate chaos pseudo-science … and Make America Great Again for decades to come … will demonstrate his Real Leadership skills right now, when it is so sorely needed.”

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
1.1  SteevieGee  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    5 years ago

This entire article is a load of crap.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
2  tomwcraig    5 years ago

I saw a article today about Richard Branson and Fabien Cousteau's expedition to the Blue Hole of Belize.  They had found some stalactites and the article became an article about us needing to do something about Climate Change, despite the cave having been swallowed by the ocean 10,000 years ago.

Here is the article:

The irony is that there would have been nothing we could have done to stop this from happening even with modern technology as this occurred 100% naturally without human input into the heating and cooling of the Earth.  To claim that the Blue Hole of Belize is a reason for us to agree to the various global initiatives to stop Climate Change/AGW Theory/Global Warming is completely disingenuous and a major fallacy.  Frankly, this was the world returning to a previous state after a glacial period, which the world only started having after the Mesozoic Era.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  tomwcraig @2    5 years ago

The pseudoscience of climate change alarmism is over the edge in its fantasies of global disaster.  It’s about time to have a real inquiry about their claims.  

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
2.1.1  tomwcraig  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    5 years ago

I keep telling people that the science behind Climate Change is flawed at best.  It is the youngest science studying a complex system that has been cyclical for millennia and was warmer in the distant past compared to what these alarmists are panicking over.  Plus, we aren't even to the middle of the current interglacial, which means we are going to get warmer still.  They keep talking about the acceleration of warming increasing, where does acceleration in a pendulum system have its greatest rate?  When it is closest to the midpoint of the cycle, while we are not at the midpoint of the current interglacial yet, we are close to it.  I've said for the last few years we still have about 80 years to go before we get to where the midpoint should be for this interglacial.  So, it stands to reason that right now we should be seeing an acceleration in warming.  It's basic physics of a pendulum cycle, which is what glaciation and interglacials are.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  tomwcraig @2.1.1    5 years ago
'I keep telling people that the science behind Climate Change is flawed at best.'
That's funny!  So what qualifies you to say that?
 
 
 
KDMichigan
Junior Participates
2.1.5  KDMichigan  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.2    5 years ago
That's funny!  So what qualifies you to say that?

Common sense.

Some people are not sheep to a political party and believe everything that is spoon fed them.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
2.1.6  tomwcraig  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.2    5 years ago

Science qualifies me to say so.  Have you studied for any science degree?  I was a Chemistry Major for 2 and a half years and had actually studied Chemistry for an additional 2 years along with Nuclear Science in high school, what about you?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  tomwcraig @2.1.6    5 years ago

Come on!  Don’t you understand that if you don’t agree with the bigoted self proclaimed pro science gang of thugs and what they’ve settled that we are engaging in pseudoscience and need to be silenced? jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
2.1.8  tomwcraig  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.7    5 years ago

If they were truly following science, they would only accept data, models, and results that was in the 95th Percentile or better.  Instead, they accept data that is AT BEST in the 90th Percentile and call it absolute despite the huge swath of error that creates.

 
 
 
luther28
Sophomore Silent
3  luther28    5 years ago

How dare YOU use those claims to justify your agenda – and your continued efforts to bludgeon and silence us into submission

Bludgeoned, really? That one must have escaped the evening news.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  luther28 @3    5 years ago

We see the so called pro science fascists in action trying to censor and content control anything that disagrees with their so called settled science consensus all over the country.  These people are control freaks and deserve to have a real science presidential panel investigate their ridiculous claims and put them in their place.  It’s about time the so called pro science gang is being stood up to.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to    5 years ago

Now all that outside the box and norms stuff is labeled as “pseudoscience” and can’t be discussed according to all the self styled pro science bigots.  I wonder if our all seeing eye 👁 will label the new Presidential commission as “pseudoscience”?  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.2    5 years ago

Well Dave, what will it be?  Inquiring minds want to know.  

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
Sophomore Silent
3.1.4  Phoenyx13  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.2    5 years ago
Now all that outside the box and norms stuff is labeled as “pseudoscience” and can’t be discussed according to all the self styled pro science bigots.  I wonder if our all seeing eye 👁 will label the new Presidential commission as “pseudoscience”?

discussion of mythology is fine - passing off mythology as factual is the issue.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Phoenyx13 @3.1.4    5 years ago

So what are all the proven facts about origins? What about them did you observe?  What hard scientific law relates to evolution and how our planet and us humans cane to exist and for what purpose?  

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
Sophomore Silent
3.1.6  Phoenyx13  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.5    5 years ago
So what are all the proven facts about origins?

it's been told to you repeatedly and easily researched, there are many more supporting facts to evolution than to your mythology of creation.

What about them did you observe?  

the same ones you observed with your theory that your God created mankind, i'm sure you were there to see God do it and talked to Adam and Eve, right ?

What hard scientific law relates to evolution and how our planet and us humans cane to exist and for what purpose?

try doing some research for a change and not reaffirming your confirmation bias towards your religious mythology - you can easily find all the answers you seek and won't have to worship any unproven mystical entities in the process.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  luther28 @3    5 years ago

Global warming is a hoax and man caused climate change is a complete and total fraud.  The Presidential science study will get to the bottom of the claims and sort out reality from fiction and set us on a sustainable and viable course to deal with what they find. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
3.2.1  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2    5 years ago
Global warming is a hoax and man caused climate change is a complete and total fraud.

All religions are man made hoaxes and totally fraudulent.

The Presidential science study will get to the bottom of the claims and sort out reality from fiction and set us on a sustainable and viable course to deal with what they find

No, it won't.  it will merely come to a very predictable conclusion and add more confusion to the issue.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.2.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.1    5 years ago

You mean that they might not agree with the so called pro science gang of thought police thugs who want to content control and censor all who disagree with whatever pseudoscience fraud that they “settled” upon?  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.1    5 years ago

The religions of the old and the new covenants were the exceptions as they were created and ordained by God Himself.  The rest are all human or Satan generated frauds.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
3.2.4  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.3    5 years ago
The religions of the old and the new covenants were the exceptions as they were created and ordained by God Himself.

BULL SHIT

or as some like to say.

Prove it and be specific.

Were you there when God spoke to Adam & Eve?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.2.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.4    5 years ago

Were you?  You called my and billions of others personal beliefs a fraud without any proof whatsoever that your comment has any basis in fact at all.  

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Quiet
4  dave-2693993    5 years ago

I don't know if I am the Dave you are talking about KAG, though I am still on the mend certain topics interest me and this is one.

Unfortunately, because I tend to just look at the numbers it seems I tends to disagree with many on both sides of this discussion. I don't like wasting time on it. Rather, just lay it out and that's that.

Let's start off by taking a look at a graph of "recent" history from Columbia University.

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This is the most recent 20K years. Current time is to the right.

Please note, the Younger Dryas is an outright, flat out Ice Age. There is no head scratching or debate about it.

Then look at the 8,200 year (BP) event. Prior to that exist archeological and anthropological findings of of communal society, recognition of ceremonial burial and ancestral remembrances, and of all things communal agriculture.

The 8,200 year event put the kibosh on that for a while. 

Now take a look at the little Ice Age. I think most are familiar with that. Again, it is not up for debate or head scratching. It was a very difficult time. There was summer snow in places. Frozen rivers, in fact. Just a little bit warmer than the 8,200 year event.

Now, look at the present. We are only a little warmer than the little Ice Age. I simply do not have time to get into the Hockey Stick now, except to say the latest jargon refers to heat rise relative to recent recorded history. I think France or Italy went back to the 1600s and everyone else the 1700s and 1800s. Something like that.

Now with that Columbia graph in mind, let's look at this NASA graph.

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Generalized curve of sea level rise since the last ice age. Abbreviations: MWP = meltwater pulse. MWP-1A0, c. 19,000 years ago, MWP-1A, 14,600 to 13,500 years ago, MWP-1B, 11,500-11,000 years ago, MWP-1C, ~8,200-7,600 years ago

Looking at this NASA graph, which begins at the end of the last Ice Age, to the left, and ends at the present to the right, and referencing the Columbia University graph to the right, NOT even the Younger Dryas, the 8,200 year BP event or little Ice age reversed or even stopped the global rise of sea waters.

It will take something very serious to do that.

Now here is the last 800,000 years.

Interglacials-590x205.jpg

Again, past is to the left and present is to the right.

It is clear as day, we are not experiencing the hottest interglacial. Not even close. The Youner Dryas, which experienced temperatures colder than any other Ice Age of the past 800,000 years didn't turn around or stop sea level rise.

That is what the earths geological record tells us and there is not much I can add to it or subtract from it.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  dave-2693993 @4    5 years ago

No one on this site is the Dave I’m calling out.  We can’t and I won’t call out any individual member here. 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Quiet
4.1.1  dave-2693993  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1    5 years ago

Okay, thanks. Hope the contribution helps.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
5  tomwcraig    5 years ago

I wish I could post audio from a job site ad broadcast on Eugene Radio Stations.  It has a disclaimer since they call the hiring person ‘Dave’ and it goes along the lines of saying that the name sounds sort of cool and that any Dave offended by the ad would be pulling a Dave move.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  tomwcraig @5    5 years ago

We get that same ad in our local market as well.  Redding help wanted.com. You got it!  

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
5.2  Split Personality  replied to  tomwcraig @5    5 years ago

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @5.2    5 years ago

But Dave Van Zandt, the evil bigoted, biased hate filled man that he is as a person is lurking in the shadows as a public figure from his 3rd party media site.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
5.2.2  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.1    5 years ago

Still exhibiting your Christian love for all men, I see.

 
 

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