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Nunes sending eight criminal referrals to Attorney General William Barr

  

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Via:  ender  •  5 years ago  •  129 comments

Nunes sending eight criminal referrals to Attorney General William Barr

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California Rep. Devin Nunes, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said Sunday he was planning to send eight criminal referrals to Attorney General William Barr as soon as this week.

Nunes, who investigated accusations of FBI and Department of Justice abuse while he was previously chairman of the intelligence panel, did not say who he would be referring in a Fox News interview on Sunday.

Appearing on Fox's "Sunday Morning Futures," Nunes said five of the referrals are related to lying to Congress, misleading Congress and leaking classified information.





The other referrals, Nunes said, are allegations of lying to the FISA court that approves foreign surveillance warrants, manipulating intelligence and what he described as a "global leak referral," which Nunes said wasn't tied to one individual.

"We couldn't really send these criminal referrals over without an Attorney General in place, so we are prepared this week to notify the Attorney General that we are prepared to send those referrals over and brief him if he wishes to be briefed. We think they're pretty clear, but as of right now this is, this may not be all of them, but this cleans up quite a bit. We have eight referrals that we are prepared to send over to the Attorney General this week," Nunes said.

Criminal referrals from Congress to the Justice Department are effectively requests for a criminal investigation from the Justice Department and the FBI.

When Republicans controlled Congress, Nunes launched a committee investigation into allegations the FBI and Justice Department abused the FISA process, including the release of a classified memo detailing his accusations.

The referrals are the latest action Nunes has taken since losing his gavel -- and the subpoena power that comes with it -- in the new Congress. Nunes   last month sued Twitter and several parody accounts , including @devincow, accusing the social media site of censoring conservatives.

By Jeremy Herb, CNN

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Ender
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1  seeder  Ender    5 years ago

Almost sounds like desperation.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2  JBB    5 years ago

Just Nunes yelling, "Squirrel", to deflect from Mueller's Report finally coming out...

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1  seeder  Ender  replied to  JBB @2    5 years ago

He lost some of the power he had so instead of running to trump he is running to the new trump DOJ.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @2    5 years ago
ust Nunes yelling, "Squirrel", to deflect from Mueller's Report finally coming out...

The report is out. Looks like Nunes is too late, or what you "think" is happening really isn't.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2    5 years ago
The report is out.

It is?  Where?  Please point me to the web page that I can read the report on.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.1    5 years ago

You didn't see the news where Mueller has finished his investigation and turned his report in to the AG?

Keep up, dude!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.2    5 years ago

You didn't see the news where Mueller has finished his investigation and turned his report in to the AG?

Keep up, dude!

But you said it is "OUT", where is it?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.3    5 years ago
But you said it is "OUT", where is it?

Seriously, dude, PAY ATTENTION.

The report was released to AG Barr. Don't you ever watch the news or read?

Look it up, and then you can find out what Barr had to say about it nd when we can expect to see some of it after redactions take place.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.2.5  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.4    5 years ago

And, you should know that Barr, on Trump's orders, has not released Mueller's report to us. We do know though that Mueller's report "does not exhonerate Trump" and that if it did, we would all have seen it all by now. Butt, we have not...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @2.2.5    5 years ago
And, you should know that Barr, on Trump's orders, has not released Mueller's report to us. We do know though that Mueller's report "does not exhonerate Trump" and that if it did, we would all have seen it all by now. Butt, we have not...

You really need to get the facts straight. You claim on Trump's orders. Prove it.

The report was never supposed to exonerate anyone. Did you think that was the freaking purpose of the investigation?

Maybe get someone to explain to you about the secrecy surrounding grand jury testimony before spouting nonsense again.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.2.7  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.6    5 years ago

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @2.2.7    5 years ago
No, the Mueller Report, which has not been released to the public on Trumps orders, does not exhonerate Trump. If it does then show us the report. You cannot because Trump and Barr are still stalling and trying to deep six it

Seriously, do you even read before typing??

How did you ever miss this:

The report was never supposed to exonerate anyone. Did you think that was the freaking purpose of the investigation?

I asked you to simply prove your claim that the report hasn't been released on Trump's orders, and you fling this crock of shit instead?

LMFAQO!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.2.10  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.8    5 years ago

The buck stops at Trump's fat ass...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @2.2.10    5 years ago

Lots of words but STILL no proof for what you claim.

Why is that?

Hmmm?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.12  1stwarrior  replied to  JBB @2.2.7    5 years ago

Sorry JBB - the "LAW" is preventing the release of the Mueller Report.  It goes to the AG who makes the determination as what is releasable and what is not based on existing law.  There are a number of sections in the report, such as the Grand Jury report on their findings, that will not be released.

Trump has no say so.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.13  Texan1211  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.12    5 years ago
Sorry JBB - the "LAW" is preventing the release of the Mueller Report. It goes to the AG who makes the determination as what is releasable and what is not based on existing law. There are a number of sections in the report, such as the Grand Jury report on their findings, that will not be released.

The law simply does not matter to some, or they are blissfully ignorant of the law.

Some think the WHOLE report should be released in its entirety NOW, the law be damned!!!

Still tilting at windmills because thus far, Mueller didn't do what they wanted him to do--nail Trump.

They will turn on Mueller once the report is released, or cling bitterly to the notion that Trump colluded with Russia despite Mueller's findings.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.15  Texan1211  replied to    5 years ago

It would seem that TDS is spreading to include anyone to the right of any progressive liberal.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.16  Ozzwald  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.12    5 years ago
Sorry JBB - the "LAW" is preventing the release of the Mueller Report. 

Public release, yes, sort of.  Redacting the Grand Jury info only takes a matter of minutes, but it still has not been released to Congress.  Why not?

As was pointed out, if the Mueller report had been "good news" for Trump, Barr would have made the required redactions and released the entire report within days, if not hours.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.2.18  Trout Giggles  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.12    5 years ago
Trump has no say so

Are you sure about that?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.19  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.16    5 years ago
Public release, yes, sort of. Redacting the Grand Jury info only takes a matter of minutes, but it still has not been released to Congress. Why not?
As was pointed out, if the Mueller report had been "good news" for Trump, Barr would have made the required redactions and released the entire report within days, if not hours.

There are probably some national security stuff besides the grand jury stuff that will be redacted.

And maybe the delay is to make Democrats look foolish by all the whining they are doing over this. Report gets released, nothing really in it regarding Trump, and the left looks foolish again.

 
 
 
Don Overton
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2.2.21  Don Overton  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2    5 years ago

and you read something that isn't there

 
 
 
Don Overton
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2.2.22  Don Overton  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.6    5 years ago

Wow you are really working at trying to cover your asshole demigod trump 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3  XXJefferson51    5 years ago

With the mueller report completed now is a good time to send these referrals to the AG.  I like his lawsuit against big tech for censoring conservatives.  I’m going to suggest that he add MBFC to that lawsuit.  

 
 
 
bbl-1
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4  bbl-1    5 years ago

Nunes is playing the best cards he has for Trump deflection.  The investigations, if they occur, will distract, confuse and further harden the divisions of America.  This is the goal.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1  Texan1211  replied to  bbl-1 @4    5 years ago
Nunes is playing the best cards he has for Trump deflection. The investigations, if they occur, will distract, confuse and further harden the divisions of America. This is the goal.

You sure seem to like making blanket statements of "fact" while producing no proof.

Please outline ALL the goals you think he is trying to achieve, and how you personally came by the info.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
4.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    5 years ago

I made no statements.  Nunes did.  He is the one leveling the accusations.  Pay attention.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  bbl-1 @4.1.1    5 years ago
I made no statements.

Oh, you should really let people know BEFORE they post that you didn't write what they respond to.

Why are we pretending you didn't write post #4?

You CLEARLY stated that "This is the goal". I am sorry you don't remember as far back as 40 minutes.

How's about YOU paying attention and at least trying to remember what you just posted?

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
4.1.3  bbl-1  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.2    5 years ago

circle jerk yourself.  you are boring. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  bbl-1 @4.1.3    5 years ago

Clearly you have lost this argument.

No need to make it any worse.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
4.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.4    5 years ago

This is a general comment:

Stop with the taunting. It's going both ways. 

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
5  tomwcraig    5 years ago

He couldn't send them out until now, since the Mueller investigation was on-going while he was the Chairman of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.  Until the report was concluded, these referrals had to remain on the backburner due to any such referrals possibly having a negative impact on the result of the investigation and being considered tampering with witnesses and/or obstruction of justice.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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5.1  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  tomwcraig @5    5 years ago
  1. clean out the doj and fbi
  2. secure the senate and judiciary
  3. wait for them to expend their ammunition (mueller)
  4. drop the hammer.

all in 2yrs work :)

 
 
 
Don Overton
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5.1.1  Don Overton  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @5.1    5 years ago

Really need to clean out the haters, racist, and the like from the republican party

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.2  bugsy  replied to  Don Overton @5.1.1    5 years ago
Really need to clean out the haters, racist, and the like from the republican party

We did. They all ran to the democratic party in the 1860s, then again in the 1960s. Nothing has changed since.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5.2  seeder  Ender  replied to  tomwcraig @5    5 years ago

Until it was concluded? Why?

They did not know what Mueller was doing or investigating. His investigation would in no way impact what Mueller was doing.

It is all games as he now wants what looks like retribution.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
5.2.1  tomwcraig  replied to  Ender @5.2    5 years ago

Actually, the FISA warrants were part of the Mueller investigation as they were the entire basis for the Mueller investigation.  The FISA warrants used the Steele dossier and the subsequent circular news articles about portions of the Steele dossier as the reason for spying on the Trump campaign and Trump as President, therefore anything dealing with lying to Congress over those issues were part of the Mueller investigation.  Since Christopher Steele, almost all of Fusion GPS, and many government officials (Bruce Ohr, Andrew McCabe, Rod Rosenstein, etc.) who were involved with the Steele dossier and FISA process were either part of the Mueller investigation or witnesses regarding possible Russian collusion or obstruction of justice that Mueller was investigating; any action taken by Nunes before the Mueller investigation ended would have been at least obstruction of justice or witness tampering.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5.2.2  seeder  Ender  replied to  tomwcraig @5.2.1    5 years ago

Officials have stated on record that the dossier was not the reason for the first warrants.

He still did not know what Mueller was doing. They have had separate investigations ongoing as well.

Nunes is nothing but a trump lackey and doing it now just looks like retribution.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5.2.4  seeder  Ender  replied to    5 years ago

I am saying Nunes is a partisan hack that was caught running to the Whitehouse to inform trump on ongoing investigations.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
5.2.5  tomwcraig  replied to  Ender @5.2.2    5 years ago

Ender, are you claiming that you have not been paying attention?  Because, only someone who has not been paying attention would believe that Nunes wouldn't know that his committee's investigations into the FISA warrants would cross paths with the Mueller investigation as the FISA warrants are an integral part of the FBI investigation into Russian collusion and Mueller's primary investigation was Russian collusion.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.2.6  JBB  replied to  tomwcraig @5.2.5    5 years ago

It is not even Nunes' committee, anymore. Elections have consequences...

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5.2.7  seeder  Ender  replied to  tomwcraig @5.2.5    5 years ago

Mueller was not investigating the issue of warrants or the FISA process. As far as I know, he was not investigating the FBI or the agents that got the warrant.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
5.2.9  tomwcraig  replied to  JBB @5.2.6    5 years ago

The ranking members and the Committee chair all have the power of issuing referrals.  So, it doesn't matter if he is chairman or not, as the ranking member he has many of the same powers as the chairman.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.10  Texan1211  replied to  tomwcraig @5.2.9    5 years ago

Some people are woefully ignorant of the workings of Congress.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
5.2.11  tomwcraig  replied to  Ender @5.2.7    5 years ago

Mueller was investigating Russian collusion and the FISA warrants were part of the FBI investigation into Russian collusion WHICH MUELLER TOOK OVER.  Therefore, Nunes could not issue any sort of criminal referral to Barr as the investigation into the FISA warrants would intersect DIRECTLY with the Mueller investigation since the FISA warrants were CENTRAL to the Russian collusion investigation.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.12  Texan1211  replied to  tomwcraig @5.2.11    5 years ago
Mueller was investigating Russian collusion and the FISA warrants were part of the FBI investigation into Russian collusion WHICH MUELLER TOOK OVER. Therefore, Nunes could not issue any sort of criminal referral to Barr as the investigation into the FISA warrants would intersect DIRECTLY with the Mueller investigation since the FISA warrants were CENTRAL to the Russian collusion investigation.

I fear you are wasting your time trying to explain how it all works because, well, TRUMP!! RUSSIA!! COLLUSION!! 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5.2.13  seeder  Ender  replied to    5 years ago

What I would admit to would get me a deletion. Let's just say some will live in the trump shadow and wear it like a badge, even when it makes them look like a fool.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5.2.14  seeder  Ender  replied to  tomwcraig @5.2.11    5 years ago

And again, Mueller was not investigating the warrant process or the agents that applied for it.

The people that Nunes seems to be going after would be the ones involved in the warrant process.

We will see where it goes, which I am guessing no where.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5.2.15  seeder  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.10    5 years ago

And some are willfully ignorant on simple decorum.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.16  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @5.2.15    5 years ago

Well, I don't give a shit about decorum, but if you want to take a shot at educating him on how Congress works, be my guest!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.17  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @5.2.15    5 years ago
And some are willfully ignorant on simple decorum.

Is that you, Doug Neidermayer?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5.2.18  seeder  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.16    5 years ago

That is painfully obvious.

Tell you what, stop trying to needle people or move on.

If one wants to just give digs, take it to HD because there are plenty of things I could say.

Other wise, buzz off.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.19  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @5.2.18    5 years ago
That is painfully obvious.
Tell you what, stop trying to needle people or move on.
If one wants to just give digs, take it to HD because there are plenty of things I could say.
Other wise, buzz off.

Is there anything in the following you disagree with, and if so, why?

The ranking members and the Committee chair all have the power of issuing referrals. So, it doesn't matter if he is chairman or not, as the ranking member he has many of the same powers as the chairman. ( Credit post 5.2.9, tomwcraig)

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
5.2.20  tomwcraig  replied to  Ender @5.2.14    5 years ago

Ender, the results of the FISA warrants were directly applicable to the Mueller investigation.  To investigate the FISA warrant process would require interfering with the Mueller probe as it was using the results of those FISA warrants as part of its investigation.  That seems to be the part you are either willfully ignoring or not understanding.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5.2.21  seeder  Ender  replied to  tomwcraig @5.2.20    5 years ago

Ok, I can concede as much.

Seems to me though if Mueller had investigated all of that, and had no referrals for wrong doing on that aspect, then Nunes wouldn't either.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
5.2.22  tomwcraig  replied to  Ender @5.2.21    5 years ago

Mueller might have ignored that as he might feel that the FISA process was outside the scope of his investigation despite the broadness of his authority.  Plus, on top of that many of those people involved in the FISA process were actually working on his investigation or had ordered the investigation.  We know that Rod Rosenstein admitted to having signed at least one of the FISA applications regarding Carter Page.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.2.23  Ronin2  replied to  Ender @5.2.21    5 years ago

You are assuming that Mueller investigated the FISA warrants, and didn't just take them as being settled- after all his good friend, and a man he mentored, Comey was the one that requested them.

Answer me this- since no one else will even touch it.

Carter Page is named in the Steele Dossier as a Russian spy, the FISA warrants use his name to get the wire taps on him, and anyone he was associated with- including the ones in Trump Tower. Shouldn't he have been the very first person Mueller questioned and indicted? Instead, other than having his name dragged threw the political mud, he has been ignored by the investigation- not one charge has been brought against him.

If Carter Page figured heavily into any decision to grant a FISA warrant, then that warrant must be reviewed; and any information illegally gathered from it thrown out. Should have slammed the Mueller investigation shut at the very start; but Mueller was too busy investigating everyone even remotely related to Trump, for anything. Not hesitating to allow Hillary sycophants from the FBI on his team; or hiring an almost all Obama and Clinton lackey hit legal hit squad.

Oh, and this from the FISA warrants associated with him that have been released.

“This application targets Carter Page,” the document said. “The F.B.I. believes Page has been the subject of targeted recruitment by the Russian government.” A line was then redacted, and then it picked up with “undermine and influence the outcome of the 2016 U.S. presidential election in violation of U.S. criminal law. Mr. Page is a former foreign policy adviser to a candidate for U.S. president.”
Visible portions showed that the F.B.I. in stark terms had told the intelligence court that Mr. Page “has established relationships with Russian government officials, including Russian intelligence officers”; that the bureau believed “the Russian government’s efforts are being coordinated with Page and perhaps other individuals associated with” Mr. Trump’s campaign; and that Mr. Page “has been collaborating and conspiring with the Russian government.”

Seems pretty damning to me; but no questioning or charges. Why is that?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5.2.24  seeder  Ender  replied to  tomwcraig @5.2.22    5 years ago

 I don't buy it mainly because Mueller charged for things outside of his scope and also sent referrals to other courts.

Rosenstein was not working on the investigation, Mueller only had to report to him every so often.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5.2.25  seeder  Ender  replied to  Ronin2 @5.2.23    5 years ago

I was debating that the FISA process was not investigated.

Page was trying to be recruited but even the Russians knew he was an idiot wackjob.

Maybe he is walking around just for the fact that he is a bloody idiot.

He should have been looked at and watched and the people he was associated with.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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5.2.26  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Ender @5.2    5 years ago
what looks like retribution.

it is called justice. and is best served cold.

we will NOT be living in a country where every time they lose an election the democrats get to fabricate evidence to remove the incoming president. 

 people have to be made examples of.

a clear message must be sent. and it must be harsh.

 this is not a game. but it is one for the history books.

 

 

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
6  The Magic 8 Ball    5 years ago
Appearing on Fox's "Sunday Morning Futures," Nunes said five of the referrals are related to lying to Congress, misleading Congress and leaking classified information. The other referrals, Nunes said, are allegations of lying to the FISA court that approves foreign surveillance warrants, manipulating intelligence and what he described as a "global leak referral," which Nunes said wasn't tied to one individual.

this is actually good news for the left. if the origins of the last 3 yrs of investigations started legit? the left will be totally vindicated.

should be good fun jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

  april showers bring may flowers.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1  Texan1211  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @6    5 years ago
this is actually good news for the left. if the origins of the last 3 yrs of investigations started legit? the left will be totally vindicated.
should be good fun

Kind of makes one wonder why anyone is objecting to the Congressman doing his job.

They don't even know who the referrals are for, yet are ready to bash them anyways.

They seemingly don't need no stinking facts to bitch!

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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6.1.1  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1    5 years ago
Kind of makes one wonder why anyone is objecting to the Congressman doing his job.

because they know...

512

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
6.1.2  seeder  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1    5 years ago

He lost his gavel and a lot of power. This is him doing what he can and what he always does.

Run and tell others what he thinks is happening.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
6.1.3  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1    5 years ago
They don't even know who the referrals are for, yet are ready to bash them anyways.

LOL true that.

512

 
 
 
Don Overton
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6.1.4  Don Overton  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @6.1.3    5 years ago

such stupid comments.  they show such a complete and utter lack of realism

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
6.1.6  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Don Overton @6.1.4    5 years ago
such stupid comments.

coming from you, that's a compliment.

  • tell me again when trump will be impeached?
  • or why he will not win the election in 2016  ?

pretty please?  

I like old stupid stories that hang around like a bad case of herpes

Cheers jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
6.1.7  Ozzwald  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @6.1.6    5 years ago
tell me again when trump will be impeached?

When the Republican's in Congress grow a pair, or are thrown out of Washington en masse, thus eliminating 75% of political corruption.

why he will not win the election in 2016

Again, he lost the election by 3 million, but won the job by a couple hundred.

 
 
 
cms5
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6.1.9  cms5  replied to  Ozzwald @6.1.7    5 years ago
Again, he lost the election by 3 million, but won the job by a couple hundred.

Thankfully, our founding fathers realized that this job was about more than 'popularity'.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
6.1.10  Ozzwald  replied to  cms5 @6.1.9    5 years ago

Thankfully, our founding fathers realized that this job was about more than 'popularity'.

So you disagree with the Supreme Court?  That's you prerogative.

Reynolds v. Sims, 377 U.S. 533 (1964)

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
6.1.11  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @6.1.10    5 years ago
Reynolds v. Sims, 377 U.S. 533 (1964)

So what does a ruling about the Alabama state legislature makeup have to do with the presidential election; which is decided by the electoral college which is found in the Constitution?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
6.1.12  Ozzwald  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.11    5 years ago
So what does a ruling about the Alabama state legislature makeup have to do with the presidential election; which is decided by the electoral college which is found in the Constitution?

Decided not to read it, huh?  It was the primary SCOTUS court case that showed that the Constitution supports 1 person 1 vote.  Something that the electoral college no longer does.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
6.1.13  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Ozzwald @6.1.12    5 years ago
1 person 1 vote.

that decision had nothing to do with a presidential election. (not even close)

your state is a democracy  (that ruling applies here)

your federal govt is a republic   (that ruling does not apply to presidential elections)

and that is how the founders intended things to be.

including the electoral college and all that comes with it.

in a  presidential election, the national majority simply does not matter and never will.    

this is by design.  like it or not.

 

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
6.1.14  tomwcraig  replied to  Ozzwald @6.1.12    5 years ago

The electoral college NEVER HAS supported 1 person 1 vote.  What you are forgetting is that the Electors in the Electoral college are another type of Legislature where the persons voting are REPRESENTED by the Electors from that state whom promise to vote for the state's popular vote winner (with the exception of Nebraska and Maine whose Electors promise to vote for the winner of their district).  There have been several people whom won the National Popular vote total but have failed to win the majority of state Popular vote totals.  Essentially to overthrow or eliminate the Electoral College is to overthrow or overturn the ENTIRE GOVERNMENTAL SYSTEM in the United States as EVERYTHING in our government comes down to REPRESENTATIVES VOTING FOR THE VOTERS.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  XDm9mm @6.1.8    5 years ago
By the numbers that actually count. Deal with it.

Heck, if they could really deal with it, we wouldn't have had to put up with so much pissing and moaning over the last 2+ years.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
6.1.16  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Ozzwald @6.1.12    5 years ago
It was the primary SCOTUS court case that showed that the Constitution supports 1 person 1 vote.

if the supreme court  had ever ruled that was the case in a presidential election...

  • the electoral college would no longer be there today

the fact it is there today? means your wrong.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.17  Texan1211  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @6.1.16    5 years ago
It was the primary SCOTUS court case that showed that the Constitution supports 1 person 1 vote.
if the supreme court had ever ruled that was the case in a presidential election...
the electoral college would no longer be there today
the fact it is there today? means your wrong.

I wouldn't expect any understanding from some on that----logic isn't a strong suit for all.

The whole EC flap is simply because their golden girl lost a sure-fire thing.

And that upsets them no end.

They will never, ever, ever get over it.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
6.1.18  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.17    5 years ago
They will never, ever, ever get over it.

some people are lost forever.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @6.1.18    5 years ago
some people are lost forever.

My prediction is that in about 10-15 years, lots of folks will worship Nancy Pelosi the way they did Hillary.

I figure Nancy will lose the House in the very near future, the extreme left-wingers will go bonkers and demand she step down from any leadership position, she'll cry, she'll remind everyone how she was the first female SOH, and once she steps down she will achieve instant sainthood among Democrats.

And we'll all have a good laugh.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
6.1.20  seeder  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.19    5 years ago

Ok, this is straying far off.

Be nice guys.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.21  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @6.1.20    5 years ago

Sorry for the off-topic.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
6.1.22  seeder  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.21    5 years ago

I usually don't mind but I don't want people to start having tit for tat. Well, worse than usual.  haha

Perrie jumped in once already. I just don't want her to have to moderate my seeds or get mad at me for not doing it.  : )

I never had to lock one before.

 
 

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