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Conservatives Derail Congress' White Nationalism Hearing, Declare 'All Hate Speech' Matters

  

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Via:  tessylo  •  5 years ago  •  43 comments

Conservatives Derail Congress' White Nationalism Hearing, Declare 'All Hate Speech' Matters

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Conservatives Derail Congress' White Nationalism Hearing, Declare 'All Hate Speech' Matters









710c91c0-4b9c-11e7-8912-374be9390b1b_H-1   Andy Campbell, HuffPost   Tue, Apr 9 4:09 PM EDT  


At a white nationalist hearing on Capitol Hill, GOP witnesses dispute threat











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A congressional hearing on hate crimes and the rise of white nationalism was derailed by conservatives questioning whether white supremacy exists today at all, with some urging the committee to focus instead on “all hate speech.”

The House Judiciary Committee had the perfect opportunity acknowledge the problem and attempt to address it at the source while questioning a   panel of expert witnesses on extremism and hate   in the country, as well as executives from Facebook and Google, whose platforms are under fire for amplifying that extremism.

Instead, the floor was repeatedly given to conservative witness Candace Owens, a Trump-supporting Infowars and Fox News contributor who recently said   Hitler would have been fine if he had simply remained a nationalist in Germany. The focus of the meeting quickly shifted from the rising death toll in the name of white supremacy to Owens’ main talking point: that discussing white nationalism at all is a Democratic ploy to win elections.

“The hearing today isn’t about white nationalism, it’s a preview of a Democrat 2020 election strategy, same as the 2016 election strategy,” she said. “If they were really concerned about white nationalism, they’d hold hearings on Antifa.”

Such a willfully ignorant statement disregards the white nationalist violence that others on the panel had been trying to bring attention to all morning:   the recent shooting at two mosques in New Zealand   that claimed 50 lives; the 2018   shooting at the Tree of Life synagogue   in Pittsburgh; the deadly   Unite the Right rallies in Charlottesville   in 2017; the   Emmanuel A.M.E. Church shooting committed by a white supremacist   in 2015 and more. 

But Owens’ talking point gave Republicans on the committee an avenue of deflection ― a way of implying that Democrats, social media platforms and anyone else decrying white supremacy or demanding accountability are instead unfairly targeting conservative voices. One after another, Republicans bit on Owens’ prompt, and one after the other, they proved they didn’t come to talk about the rise in white nationalism at all.

Instead, they victimized themselves. Rep. Louis Gohmert (R-Texas) asked a Facebook representative why the platform is so hard on “my friends, Diamond and Silk,” referring to the pro-Trump social media stars. Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.) complained Democrats showed “animus” by listing Owens as a “conservative activist” in the witness list, and said white supremacist hate crimes aren’t worth focusing on.

“It isn’t that there isn’t hate speech, it’s that we need to condemn all hate speech,” he said, to which Owens responded, “I agree.”


Rep. Ken Buck (R-Colo.) joked that Owens “triggers the left” and suggested she shoot guns with him in Colorado sometime. A few chairs away sat Dr. Mohammad Abu-Salha, whose   daughters and son-in-law were shot to death in a 2015 hate crime.

These exchanges turned into an argument over whether white supremacy exists and whether Owens plays a part in its proliferation, despite being a black woman. When Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Calif.) was given the floor, he   used his phone to play back Owens’ quote about Hitler   becoming too global,   which she said in February   in front of members of conservative advocacy group Turning Point USA, of which she is the communications director.

As Google and Facebook executives provided statements in the hearing, the comment section of a YouTube livestream of the meeting was disabled because of racist comments that promoted neo-Nazi and white supremacist ideology almost exclusively.

Facebook in particular has come under scrutiny in countries worldwide after the New Zealand shooting was livestreamed on the platform. As countries across the world sought to enact new rules that penalized platforms for allowing such material to live on their sites, Facebook unveiled a new rule banning white nationalism and separatism ― a policy that was immediately debunked when a Facebook spokesperson told HuffPost a week later that prominent white nationalist Faith Goldy’s content   was not at all white nationalist.

Rep. David Cicilline (D-R.I.) mentioned   HuffPost’s story and asked what Facebook is doing to proactively ban white nationalist leaders. Neil Potts, the public policy director for Facebook, noted Goldy had eventually been banned, and that the platform was working to ban other white nationalists when it sees them.

In reality, Facebook has a hard time enforcing its own rules, even when extremist content is obvious.

Last week, federal authorities charged a 22-year-old white supremacist who managed an extremist Facebook group. He and his cousin, the feds said, spoke admiringly of the Christchurch shooter and appeared to be plotting a similar attack. An FBI affidavit said that Facebook turned over information on the account on a “voluntary emergency disclosure” basis. The Facebook account and white supremacist group ― along with several other extremist Facebook groups with similar names ―   were still live when federal authorities unveiled the charges.

At the end of the day, the discrepancies in the platforms’ action plans against white nationalist violence weren’t pushed or adequately questioned by Congress. It was unclear whether some considered white supremacy an issue worth addressing at all.

HuffPost reporters Ryan Reilly and Jen Bendery contributed to this report.

  • This article originally appeared on   HuffPost.










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Tessylo
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1  seeder  Tessylo    5 years ago

“The hearing today isn’t about white nationalism, it’s a preview of a Democrat 2020 election strategy, same as the 2016 election strategy,” she said. “If they were really concerned about white nationalism, they’d hold hearings on Antifa.”

Such a willfully ignorant statement disregards the white nationalist violence that others on the panel had been trying to bring attention to all morning:  the recent shooting at two mosques in New Zealand  that claimed 50 lives; the 2018  shooting at the Tree of Life synagogue  in Pittsburgh; the deadly  Unite the Right rallies in Charlottesville  in 2017; the  Emmanuel A.M.E. Church shooting committed by a white supremacist  in 2015 and more. 

But Owens’ talking point gave Republicans on the committee an avenue of deflection ― a way of implying that Democrats, social media platforms and anyone else decrying white supremacy or demanding accountability are instead unfairly targeting conservative voices. One after another, Republicans bit on Owens’ prompt, and one after the other, they proved they didn’t come to talk about the rise in white nationalism at all.

Instead, they victimized themselves. Rep. Louis Gohmert (R-Texas) asked a Facebook representative why the platform is so hard on “my friends, Diamond and Silk,” referring to the pro-Trump social media stars. Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.) complained Democrats showed “animus” by listing Owens as a “conservative activist” in the witness list, and said white supremacist hate crimes aren’t worth focusing on.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @1    5 years ago

Sorry, but there is no crisis. Perhaps you've heard that about other things, but it's actually true here.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @1.1    5 years ago

I don't what the fuck you're talking about.  

You were making so much sense on some other threads but you really seem to lose it when it comes to this lying bitch.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.1.2  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.1    5 years ago
I don't what the fuck you're talking about. 

Don't get your knickers in a twist. You should know I am always happy to facilitate understanding. All you have to do is ask.

My comment references both this hearing on extremism and hate and the issue of illegal crossings at the border. In each case, someone wants to treat it like a crisis, while others say there is no crisis. Hope that helps.

this lying bitch

What is it you think she lied about?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @1.1.2    5 years ago

Every word out of her token mouth is a fucking lie.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.4  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @1.1.2    5 years ago

This isn't about crossings at the border.  It's about the white nationalism hearing.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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1.1.5  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.3    5 years ago
"Every word out of her token mouth is a fucking lie. " 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.1.6  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.3    5 years ago
Every word out of her token mouth is a fucking lie

For example?

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.1.7  bugsy  replied to  Tacos! @1.1.6    5 years ago
For example?

And here we are 24 hours later and....nothing.

Not surprised one bit.

 
 
 
luther28
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3  luther28    5 years ago

Conservatives Derail Congress' White Nationalism Hearing, Declare 'All Hate Speech' Matters

Well in truth it does, malarkey to one side they may want to point this out to the head of their party.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4  Tacos!    5 years ago
Conservatives Derail Congress' White Nationalism Hearing, Declare 'All Hate Speech' Matters

Not long ago (barely a month), when the House was galvanized to condemn hateful speech by a specific member of their body (Ilhan Omar), Democrats pivoted to ignoring those specific comments in favor of declaring that all "hate speech" matters.

That was fine and dandy when Democrats did it, but when Republicans suggest something similar, it's outrageous.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @4    5 years ago

Why is all the domestic terrorists are on the right?

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @4.1    5 years ago
Why is all the domestic terrorists are on the right?

It's certainly not all. Sometimes it's more on the Right, sometimes, it's more on the Left. I think it oscillates over time. Years ago, we saw more terrorism on the Left. They tended to be environmental nuts, communist sympathizers, racist special interests, etc. A lot of that seemed to die out with the end of the Cold War.

I think that today, some of the people who might have engaged in that kind of thing domestically, take it abroad. Look at how many leave the US to join ISIS or Al Qaeda.  

It also depends on what you mean by "the Right." Was the Islamist who killed 41 people at the Pulse nightclub "on the Right?" I doubt he has much in common in with Republicans, but he's probably pretty conservative within his own frame of reference. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.3  Dulay  replied to    5 years ago
They're not. Remember, the Democrats have the two Muslim women and AOC in the House, all of whom constantly spout hate and anti-Semitic slogans.

So your posit is that Rep. Omar, Rep. Tlaib and AOC are domestic terrorists. Provide evidence for your accusation. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Release The Kraken @4.1.4    5 years ago
I don't think they are domestic terrorists

Good for you. Now perhaps Wally can reply.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dulay @4.1.5    5 years ago

I hope you packed a lunch

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.1.7  MrFrost  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.1    5 years ago
It's certainly not all. Sometimes it's more on the Right, sometimes, it's more on the Left

True, it's actually about 70%. The last estimate I read said 85% of domestic terrorism is right wing but I find it hard to believe it's that high. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.8  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.1    5 years ago

It's more like 99.9999% on the right.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.1.9  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.8    5 years ago

Link supporting your claim?

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.2  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @4    5 years ago
Democrats pivoted to ignoring those specific comments in favor of declaring that all "hate speech" matters.

If that were true, the Resolution could have been one sentence long. 

In fact, the Resolution you speak of wasn't about 'hate speech'. It cites discrimination and bigotry. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.2.1  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @4.2    5 years ago

You missed the point. The House action was initiated in reaction to the comments of Rep. Omar, but by the time they actually produced something, it didn't even mention her or her comment.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.2.2  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @4.2.1    5 years ago
You missed the point. The House action was initiated in reaction to the comments of Rep. Omar, but by the time they actually produced something, it didn't even mention her or her comment.

Actually, it was you how missed the point. You claimed:

Democrats pivoted to ignoring those specific comments in favor of declaring that all "hate speech" matters.

I stated the fact that the Resolution was NOT about "hate speech", which makes your claim false. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.2.3  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @4.2.2    5 years ago
I stated the fact that the Resolution was NOT about "hate speech", which makes your claim false.

I don't know what you're talking about, but I'm talking about House Resolution 183, passed on March 7, 2019 . It begins as follows:

Condemning anti-Semitism as hateful expressions of intoler- ance that are contradictory to the values and aspirations that define the people of the United States and con- demning anti-Muslim discrimination and bigotry against minorities as hateful expressions of intolerance that are contrary to the values and aspirations of the United States.

So, it is expressly is about hate speech.

And the impetus to craft that resolution was the anti-semitic comments of House member Ilhan Omar.

The House recently passed a non-binding resolution that condemns hate and bigotry in response to Rep. Ilhan Omar’s anti-Semitic statements

Incredibly, neither she nor her comments were criticized in the resolution. Also, incredibly, anti- Christian intolerance was not condemned.  So none of this supposed outrage is about genuinely investigating hateful expressions or hate crimes. It's only about securing a certain political base and pandering to it.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.2.4  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @4.2.3    5 years ago
So, it is expressly is about hate speech.

You're citing an non-existent limitation. 

I don't limit my definition of 'expressions' to words and neither does the Resolution. It cites the Charlottesville Unite the Right march, the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church murders in Charleston and the Tree of Life Synagogue murders in Pittsburgh. 

And the impetus to craft that resolution was the anti-semitic comments of House member Ilhan Omar.

Yet no matter how butt hurt y'all are about it, it WASN'T crafted to expressly reprimand the Congresswoman. It didn't start out that way and the final changes were small and inclusive of religious and minority groups that are discriminated against, in word and DEED, based purely on animus. 

 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.2.5  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @4.2.4    5 years ago
I don't limit my definition of 'expressions' to words

So what? (that's rhetorical, don't bother trying to justify your obfuscation - not that I think you could)

You are making wild claims with no support; you split hairs and move around goalposts in such a way that honest conversation is impossible. Meanwhile, you dismiss my claims that are actually offered with support. What a waste.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.2.6  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @4.2.5    5 years ago
So what? (that's rhetorical, don't bother trying to justify your obfuscation - not that I think you could)

How is my comment obfuscation Tacos!? 

You are making wild claims with no support; 

What would you like me to support? The fact that the Resolution cites what I said or the fact that the term 'expression' means more than speech? 

you split hairs and move around goalposts in such a way that honest conversation is impossible.

The only goalpost I set are facts. If facts limit your ability to have an honest conversation, that's on you. 

Meanwhile, you dismiss my claims that are actually offered with support. What a waste.

Arguing a point is the opposite of dismissing it. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
4.2.7  Jack_TX  replied to  Tacos! @4.2.3    5 years ago
Also, incredibly,

You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.

anti-Christian intolerance was not condemned.

What, exactly, was your expectation here? 

 So none of this supposed outrage is about genuinely investigating hateful expressions or hate crimes. It's only about securing a certain political base and pandering to it.

Of course.  That's what these things are for...giving elected officials the opportunity to pander to their base on television.  

 
 

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