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What To Expect From Democrats When Mueller’s Report Drops Thursday

  

Category:  Op/Ed

Via:  vic-eldred  •  5 years ago  •  169 comments

What To Expect From Democrats When Mueller’s Report Drops Thursday
The unredacted, exculpatory facts will be downplayed or ignored, in favor of the sweet, sweet comfort of the unprovable, and thus easily manipulated, redactions.

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T



You know the moment in a really suspenseful movie when That Thing happens and everyone in the theater simultaneously realizes that nothing will ever be the same?

Everything slows down. The camera focuses on a face, or an object. Birds suddenly take flight. Characters turn to each other, their expressions changing in slow motion from light-hearted to tense, sensing danger. Eyes widen. A single, high-pitched note pierces the scene.

Think Arya Stark watching from the crowd when her father Eddard is beheaded. The glass of water on the table in Jurassic Park, rippling to the beat of a dinosaur’s footsteps. Private Ryan’s mother doing the dishes, not noticing as we all watch that government vehicle coming up her driveway.

That Thing happened on March 24 when Attorney General William Barr released his summary of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report on the investigation of Russian influence in the 2016 election and any links or coordination with members of the Trump campaign. The summary reported the bottom-line findings of the Mueller team: no conspiracy or coordination, and no decision on obstruction of justice, although there was no finding of a crime.

As attorney general, it fell to Barr to make that decision, and he did. In consultation with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and DOJ prosecutors, Barr found that the evidence provided in the report was insufficient to warrant an obstruction charge.

In doing so, Barr brought the sword down on Eddard Stark’s neck, uncaged the Tyrannosaurus Rex, and drove that black sedan up to Mrs. Ryan’s front door. Everything stopped. In Washington and New York, thousands of Democratic politicians and media luminaries froze, as their worldview and credibility instantly shattered under the weight of Barr’s words. A single, piercing, foreboding note echoed across the country, from Washington to Los Angeles. Everything had changed, and nothing would ever be the same.

Here’s Where It Diverges from a Movie Plot


In the movies, there has to be a denouement of some sort—an untying of the plot that brought us to this moment—to give meaning and substance to the story. It can’t end with a plot twist. The plot twist is just the beginning of an ending that could include anything from redemption to revenge to triumph.

Unfortunately, for all us this isn’t a movie, and there will be no proper denouement—at least not in the near term. After two years of shamelessly and enthusiastically hyping the notion that the president of the United States is a compromised agent of the Russian Federation—a process that involved dozens upon dozens of anonymously sourced falsehoods, falsely interpreted statements, demonstrably false characterizations of classified evidence, and false predication for official sanction to spy on fellow citizens—those who perpetrated those acts will do everything in their power to avoid this unexpected and unwelcome introduction of truth into their narrative.

Under any circumstances other than those that include a collusive media, the Democratic politicians and former intelligence officials who perpetrated this hoax would be the laughingstock of the world.

There’s a reason beer companies pay millions for 30-second ads, and millions more to advertising companies to draw from a variety of well-studied human influence techniques to craft their commercials: it’s worth the money. It sells. The strategy is simple—just make sure the message and the logo are out there as often and consistently as possible, and the return will validate the investment.

The same applies to cable news networks and national newspapers staffed and managed by left-leaning Democrats. The constant barrage of reflexive leftist messaging and 24/7 cover, support, and venue for Democratic talking points is literally priceless, from an advertising perspective.

There is no possible way to quantify the influence of legacy media in aiding and abetting the notion that President Trump was a compromised agent of Russia, but think about how much Budweiser pays for 30 seconds, then think about the cumulative messaging influence of Chris Cuomo, Don Lemon, Jim Sciutto, Jim Acosta, Joy Reid, Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O’Donnell, Malcolm Nance, Chris Hayes, Chris Matthews, Gloria Borger, April Ryan, Andrea Mitchell, Simone Sanders, Asha Rangappa, John Berman, Paul Begala, Max Boot, and Anderson Cooper.

Each of these people is as influential during his nightly five-minute to one-hour pro-collusion, anti-Trump advertisement as is the Trivago guy in convincing us to visit his site in his 30-second ad. It sells. The only difference is that you can probably trust the Trivago guy to accurately represent the capabilities of his travel site, because we have laws that guard against false advertising on a commercial level. Those laws don’t apply to cable news hosts and political punditry.

The Next Ad Is About What’s Not In the Report


At some point on Thursday, Barr is going to release the redacted Mueller report to the public, and every Democrat in Congress is going to run to the nearest camera to declare the redacted information crucial to understanding Trump’s complicity in collusion and obstruction. There will be no acknowledgement of the direct quotes from the Mueller report reflecting what Barr put out in his summary, declaring no conspiracy or coordination.

There will be no acknowledgement, once the evidence of obstruction against Trump turns out to be 90 percent tweets and public statements, that there’s no “there” there. And there will be no acknowledgement that the Steele dossier and every subsequent anonymously sourced bombshell alleging collusion between Trump and Russia is thoroughly debunked in the Mueller report.

From Thursday onward, we’re going to be talking about redactions. If the report reads: “After dedicating two years to examining every allegation, interviewing every witness, reviewing every communication of everyone involved, and summoning the collective might of the entire U.S. intelligence apparatus to support our investigation, we found no evidence to support conspiracy or cooperation between Trump or his campaign and the Russians,” we would undoubtedly hear from Adam Schiff, Eric Swalwell, and all of cable news that the redaction invalidated the conclusion of no conspiracy or cooperation.

Take it as a matter of faith that Democrats and left-leaning media will completely reject the Mueller report, despite being able to read for themselves the same exculpatory sentences Barr included in his summary, and claim that the redactions either hid horrific and collusive behavior by Trump and his campaign associates, or left open the possibility that Barr improperly redacted impeachable behavior that didn’t reach the threshold of “beyond a reasonable doubt” but may well meet congressional standards for impeachment.

Sowing Dissention Is All They Have Left


Left unstated will be the unimpeachable fact that Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic-controlled Congress have no intention of attempting to impeach the president. They simply want to keep the idea alive, keep people talking, keep people doubting, and sow discord and confusion into the body politic.

That is, quite literally, all they have left. And if you think they’ll consider for one moment the obvious desperation inherent in their predictable and dishonorable response to a report of investigative findings by a man they swore they’d fight to the death to protect, you’d be wrong.
Consider the course of events since March 24, when Barr, a highly respected former attorney general, issued his summary. Pandemonium. After a brief period of recovery from the solar plexus punch that stole their air for a moment, the media and their Democratic congressional associates set about the task of delegitimizing the attorney general’s authority to decline prosecution on borderline cases.

They didn’t argue the facts of the case, as they had nothing other than the public allegations we’ve all heard on which to base their argument. Instead, they attacked Barr. They said he was “speaking to an audience of one”—an oldy but a goody—and “he was covering for his boss, Donald Trump.” The idea was to begin to plant into our psyche the notion that this has all been a big Trump/Barr conspiracy, that the legendary Mueller was too weak, or perhaps too patriotically subservient to the AG, to object to Barr’s abject mischaracterization of his conclusions.

I realize this is crystal clear to the vast majority who read this, but that’s simply a load of baloney. Mueller is not afraid of anybody, nor is he the kind of guy to sit idly by while a senior government official engages in conduct Mueller believes to be unethical or untoward. He’s no Jim Comey, and there will be no hastily scribbled “Barr made me feel all cold inside” notes turned into a book at the end of this saga.

If Mueller had a problem with what Barr wrote in his summary, he’d have made it clear to Barr first, then Congress, then the media. None of them heard a peep out of Mueller.

Democrats and the media have simply invested so much of their personal and professional credibility into Trump and his campaign conspiring with the Russians to win the election that there is a less-than-zero possibility they will acknowledge that they got it wrong. To the contrary, they will draw strength from each other to weather the storm. Democratic politicians will invent specious fantasies of what lies beneath the redactions, and the media will host them, encourage them, parrot them, and thank them for keeping hope alive.

Don’t Call It Spying, Call It Surveillance


The problem with this strategy is that Barr doesn’t care what they think. He made that clear in his hearing in front of the Senate Appropriations Committee when he said that he believed the Obama administration “spied” on the Trump campaign, and that he planned to get to the bottom of whether that spying was lawfully predicated.
He will get to the bottom of it, and those most vocally opposed to his interest in determining the legality of the origins of the investigation—those salad days of foreign intelligence agency reporting, John Brennan meetings with Harry Reid about the Steele dossier, unlimited unmasking of NSA intercepts, et al.—those are the people and activities Barr will be most interested in reviewing.

Predictably, “progressives” who used to call themselves “liberals” lost their minds about his use of the word “spying.” It was as if Barr had expressed skepticism for “global warming,” unaware that the issue was actually “climate change.” They were incensed that Barr’s use of the word “spying” may give Americans the impression that government agencies under the Obama administration were actually “spying” on American citizens—a horrible, detestable notion—as opposed to what was actually happening.

What was happening was the complete surveillance coverage of every word they wrote, received, uttered, forwarded, or saved, including months prior to the order and everyone up to two hops away from their communication circle. “That’s not spying, Barr,” said Democrats. “The connotations of that word are troubling. That’s called surveillance, and we’re cool with that.”

Taking Refuge in Complete Denial of the Truth


There will be no proper denouement of this particular movie because a proper denouement would require the media to acknowledge their almost universal failure, and the effect their political bias had on their erroneous reporting. It would require Democratic politicians like Schiff, Jerry Nadler, and Swalwell to admit that they were wrong and (in the movie) to dedicate themselves to working to regain the respect and trust of the man they wrongfully accused of treason to his country. That would be the movie ending. That’s not going to happen.

What’s going to happen is that the Mueller report will have enough information in it to convince a fair-minded observer of Trump’s innocence about collusion, conspiracy, and obstruction of justice, but the only conversation that will resonate on cable news media and in national newspapers Thursday will be the assumption-fueled speculation of what lies under the redactions. The unredacted, exculpatory facts will be downplayed or ignored, in favor of the sweet, sweet comfort of the unprovable, and thus easily manipulated, redactions.
Remember this Thursday night, when all of the primetime cable news anchors are convincing you of their clever and discerning stance that there’s no way anyone can trust Barr to do anything but illegally cover for the president by indiscriminately redacting large portions of the Mueller report. Remember that Mueller himself (and his team) is participating in the redaction process. Remember that Barr hasn’t said a word, thus far, that isn’t demonstrably true. Remember that the report could include 399 pages of evidence proving Trump innocent of all charges and one redacted page, and the media and Democrats would team up to highlight the impeachment possibilities hiding underneath that one redacted page.

It’s a shame we have to do it like this. It’s a shame it’s so predictably callous and unserious. But it’s even more of a shame that people who marketed themselves as patriots are engaged in a game of hiding the truth and mischaracterizing evidence in service of their personal and political agendas.

We will see all of this in its full glory Thursday and beyond. Watch closely, because the only honest response to the Mueller report by both Democrats and media is, “We got it wrong.” It’s not often one can be so certain, in advance, of disappointment in one’s fellow man. Unfortunately, in this case, you can bank on it.



By  Jason Beale


APRIL   17, 2019


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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1  seeder  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

"Remember that Mueller himself (and his team) is participating in the redaction process."

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
1.1  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    5 years ago

Mueller and his team already made reports for the public and congress.  Barr barred them, so to speak.  He has shown himself as AG for Trump, not AG for the USA.  Everything republicans spent years accusing democrats of doing (and investigated finding nothing every time) is exactly what republicans are currently doing, and have been doing, and projecting it on dems.  As usual.   I won't bother asking why Barr is dripping bullshit out and colluding with Trump and the WH about what is in the report before anybody else gets it, so damage control can be in full swing.  This whole thing stinks and if the tables were turned, the gop would be in full on impeachment hearings.  My god, have they no decency? We have cover up going on.  This must be bad to work so hard to keep it secret.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @1.1    5 years ago
Barr barred them, so to speak.

Wrong. He and Mueller and Rosenstein have to go through it and make redactions.

He has shown himself as AG for Trump, not AG for the USA.

No, he's not a hack like Holder and Lynch

 This whole thing stinks 

Why? Because you convinced yourself that the President was a traitor?

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
1.1.2  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    5 years ago

I just put Hillary in place of Trump and know exactly what republicans would be saying right now if this corruption were happening under a democrat.  And I'd be right there with them.  But their standards are nonexistent for themselves.  We'd be in impeachment hearings by now if this were turned.  So pretty much anything said coming from that cesspool is tainted.  We can see by the behavior of Trump's peeps, including Barr, that this report is bad for Trump.  They will never be able to hide it for long.  Nadler and his committee will likely get a full unredacted report.  I'll see what the real truth is, and it won't be coming from Barr/Trump/gop.  This is why conservatives may find themselves with problems, attaching themselves to a pathological liar.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @1.1.2    5 years ago
I just put Hillary in place of Trump

Well, Hillary might just be put through something similar. We shall see.

 We'd be in impeachment hearings by now if this were turned. 

Stay tuned, things are turning

We can see by the behavior of Trump's peeps, including Barr, that this report is bad for Trump.

He may face a firing squad

 Nadler and his committee will likely get a full unredacted report.

And they won't leak any of it

 I'll see what the real truth is, and it won't be coming from Barr/Trump/gop.

Now that really sounds like a search for truth

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
1.1.4  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    5 years ago
And they won't leak any of it

Like republicans?  Spare the fake concern.  This whole 'save Trump' thing is so old and tired.  The gop have lost every shred of dignity, they don't care about anything except their own power.  Not the country, not the truth, not the values they want to claim.  I don't know how they get it back, don't think its possible. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
1.3  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    5 years ago

Nothing but sour grapes 🍇 whine 🍷 fests with lots of 🧀 cheese.  They will be crying 😢  lots of bitter tears 😭 and howling at the shrinking daytime visibility of the moon 🌚. They will be calling the report and the AG 🤥 liars.  They will be digging jrSmiley_76_smiley_image.gifthemselves into an ever deeper 🕳 hole. Meanwhile we will be celebrating 🥳  🎊 🎉 🥂 Cheers! 

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
1.3.1  SteevieGee  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.3    5 years ago

Reads like a child's picture book.  Look.  There's a glass of wine.  Oh, for whine.  How clever, and cheese too.  Are we having charcuterie?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2  Sean Treacy    5 years ago

Yes, the responses are already written.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    5 years ago

There is a silver lining. We all learn a lot. Nunes gets info pertaining to how the investigations began. The President gets an idea on who were disloyal and wanted him ousted. They play politics, but we see what was behind all this. When Mueller stepped in, did he ask the FBI, who had ongoing investigations since mid 2016, what they had on Trump? I bet he did. They said NADA! So what was Mueller doing for over 2 years?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    5 years ago

Devin Nunes is a clown. While he was in charge of the House Intelligence committee he fed committee acquired information on the Russia investigation to the White House, and delivered it personally. 

It was so inappropriate he was forced to recuse himself from the investigation afterwards. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    5 years ago
It was so inappropriate he was forced to recuse himself from the investigation afterwards.

You mean like Schiff should have done when he claimed he had evidence of collusion.


Btw, prove your bogus claim that Nunes fed the White House classified info

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
2.1.3  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    5 years ago

JHC, how can anybody even discuss this UNTIL WE SEE THE MUELLER REPORT?   You ask for proof,   so do I, RELEASE THE REPORT, and some in congress should see an unredacted version.  Barr version is bullshit.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @2.1.3    5 years ago
RELEASE THE REPORT, and some in congress should see an unredacted version. 

Can you wait another 12 hours?  Your'e so close on this one!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @2.1.3    5 years ago
Barr version is bullshit.

Weird comment after admitting you haven't seen the Mueller Report, which leads me to believe you have no earthly idea if Barr's "version" is bullshit or not.

But assuming you are right, please prove it.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
2.1.6  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.5    5 years ago

Read the damn report.   Bootstraps, man. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @2.1.6    5 years ago
Read the damn report.

Like you have?

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @2.1.6    5 years ago

Telling me to read the report is not the same as proving your claim.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  lib50 @2.1.3    5 years ago
'Barr version is bullshit.'

Indeed.  Barr's 4 page summary of Mueller's report was submitted to the shitstain in chief as his resume.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.9    5 years ago

Like I keep telling you, it's not a summary and it contains Mueller's own words.

Are you ready Tess?    40 minutes and we hear from Barr.  I'll be tuned in... Chris Wallace, Bret Beir and Ms Martha MacCallum. I have my morning coffee and I think it should be VEEERY Interesting?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.10    5 years ago

Like I keep telling you, it was his resume.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.12  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.11    5 years ago

25 minutes from the truth. Are you ready Tess?

It's been a long road hasn't it?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.14  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  dennis smith @2.1.13    5 years ago

It will be on the DOJ website soon

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3  JohnRussell    5 years ago

1. Why did Mueller say there was no establishment of collusion , but not say there was no establishment of obstruction of justice? 

Your article says that the only evidence of obstruction of justice is tweets and tv one liners.  If the "case" for obstruction of justice is so weak (according to the article) , why didnt Mueller say so like he did for collusion? 

2. Why is Barr holding a press conference about the report 90 minutes before anyone else will get to see the report? 

Why is he holding a press conference at all tomorrow? Releasing the report does not require any press conference. 

3. Why did Barr leak the report to Trump and his lawyers before it is being released to everyone? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    5 years ago
1. Why did Mueller say there was no establishment of collusion , but not say there was no establishment of obstruction of justice?  Your article says that the only evidence of obstruction of justice is tweets and tv one liners.  If the "case" for obstruction of justice is so weak (according to the article) , why didnt Mueller say so like he did for collusion? 

Obviously, they couldn't prove obstruction and if all they had was the firing of Comey, it's no wonder.

2. Why is Barr holding a press conference about the report 90 minutes before anyone else will get to see the report? 

Why is he holding a press conference at all tomorrow? Releasing the report does not require any press conference. 

He is the AG, remember? He is releasing the report. Or would you prefer Loretta Lynch mail it out to Nadler first?

3. Why did Barr leak the report to Trump and his lawyers before it is being released to everyone? 

He is not leaking. He is doing his duty. You see, John, the Special Counsel is supposed to either make a criminal referral or REMAIN SILENT. He is not to say why he couldn't bring charges despite carelessness or impropriety the way Comey did with Hillary. When that happens the AG is duty bound to allow the Presidents lawyers prepare a rebuttal. And both the report and rebuttal are to be released simultaneously. Does that answer your question?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    5 years ago

Mueller did not exonerate Trump on obstruction of justice. Barr did, and Barr is an obvious toady. 

If Mueller had wanted the DOJ to make the call on obstruction of justice he would have done it himself. He wanted Congress to make that call. 

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There is no need or requirement to hold a press conference 90 minutes before the report is released.  What they want to have happen is for Barr to say "nothing to see here" and it gets out on the wire services that the AG says "nothing to see here" and that becomes what people hear first on the day the report is revealed. 

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Barr was asked in the congressional hearings last week if he had shown the report to the White House, and he refused to answer, knowing that he had. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    5 years ago
Mueller did not exonerate Trump on obstruction of justice.

John, you do realize that if the Special Counsel can't prove something he is not supposed to say "we had this but couldn't prove it"?  You do know that is against DOJ guidelines? That is what Comey did. If there is some kind of derogatory info on the President, the President has to see it and has the right to simultaneous rebuttal. The practice itself is improper. You either make a charge or don't put in the commentary.

If Mueller had wanted the DOJ to make the call on obstruction of justice he would have done it himself. He wanted Congress to make that call. 

Oh, that's Jerry fuckin Nadler's opinion.  Ya, we are gonna leave it to Jerry & Adam & Swallowin Swalwell.

 What they want to have happen is for Barr to say "nothing to see here"

They couldn't get away with that. Mueller produces a report, he's not going to let Barr contradict it. It would be silly for Barr to lie about it - he would get exposed tomorrow. Use your common sense John.

Barr was asked in the congressional hearings last week if he had shown the report to the White House, and he refused to answer, knowing that he had. 

Exactly when did he advise Trump's lawyers and why? Like I said, If there is anything derogatory about Trump in there Trump has every right to rebuttal


 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
3.1.3  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    5 years ago

Remember Loretta Lynch on the tarmac?  Gawd, wtf happened to that outrage?  How can anybody take what is said by conservatives seriously?  My memory isn't that bad. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @3.1.3    5 years ago
Remember Loretta Lynch on the tarmac? 

That wasn't her fault. Bill Clinton walked on to her plane. It happens to me whenever I travel. They discussed grandkids, had a few laughs and each went their own way.

 How can anybody take what is said by conservatives seriously?

They are picky about stuff like that

My memory isn't that bad. 

Yup,you nailed it!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  lib50 @3.1.3    5 years ago

ow can anybody take what is said by conservatives seriously

Good point

Let's hear more form you  about how Mueller, Barr, Colonel Sanders and Queen Elizabeth are all in cahoots to lie about the contents of the Mueller report, which when read under UV light actually proves Trump colluded with Russia and kidnapped the Lindbergh baby.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @3.1.3    5 years ago
Remember Loretta Lynch on the tarmac? Gawd, wtf happened to that outrage? How can anybody take what is said by conservatives seriously? My memory isn't that bad.

Lynch met with the spouse of a person under investigation. That is improper.

Then she had to recuse herself and leave the decisions to Comey because she really screwed the pooch on it.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
3.1.7  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.6    5 years ago

Listen to yourself.  You make my point.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @3.1.7    5 years ago
You make my point.

W-a-i-t a minute.

You had a point?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.1.9  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.8    5 years ago

There’s a first time for everything I guess...

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
3.1.10  arkpdx  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    5 years ago
common sense John.

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Tacos!
Professor Guide
3.3  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @3    5 years ago
but not say there was no establishment of obstruction of justice? 

It may simply be a complex legal question he felt unqualified to answer. The matter of whether a president's constitutionally legal actions (like firing the director of the FBI) constitute obstruction of justice is an open and controversial question. He may have seen it as a political matter more than a legal matter.

I don't even know if he considered other actions as possibilities. The Comey firing is probably the one people talk about the most in the media, but a lot of times media pundits are miles off base compared to what is really happening in an investigation.

Releasing the report does not require any press conference.

Oh I think it does. We will want an explanation of what was redacted and why. It doesn't do the country any good to be speculating on matters like that.

Why did Barr leak the report to Trump and his lawyers before it is being released to everyone?

Did he? I don't know for sure if they have seen it, but even if they have, it wouldn't constitute much of a leak since the report was generated under the authority of the executive branch.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4  JohnRussell    5 years ago

You are trying to spin.

Mueller did not exonerate Trump on obstruction. That is a fact.  There is no reason to believe he wanted Barr to do it. It is far more likely he wanted Congress to do that. 

All of my comments to you stand, I'm not going to go back over them again. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4    5 years ago
All of my comments to you stand, I'm not going to go back over them again. 

You should at least address your response to me. No, you aren't going to listen to reason. You have listened to far too many self satisfying bombshell reports on CNN & MSNBC from those oh so reliable unnamed sources. What happened to those John?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4    5 years ago
Mueller did not exonerate Trump on obstruction. That is a fact

Great. Then his report, like Ken Starr's, will claim the President obstructed justice.

Or you are wrong.

If Mueller had enough evidence to charge Trump with a crime, he would have said so.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.2    5 years ago

Like John says, Mueller didn't mean for the legal system or the Department of Justice to decide, he wants congress to decide.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
4.3  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @4    5 years ago
Mueller did not exonerate Trump on obstruction

And that would be something a prosecutor does only very rarely anyway. It's not his role. He either chooses to prosecute or he doesn't. Prosecutors aren't in the business of proving innocence, and anyway, it's much harder to do.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.3.1  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @4.3    5 years ago
Prosecutors aren't in the business of proving innocence, and anyway, it's much harder to do.

Some here seem to insist that Trump is guilty because Mueller didn't exonerate him.

Craziest bunch of BS I have heard in a good long while.

Will they learn that the purpose of investigations is to find the truth--not to exonerate anyone?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
5  Buzz of the Orient    5 years ago

I wish I could sell tickets, but I think the result is so predictable nobody is going to be interested (except, maybe, those who believe and reiterate everything the media prints).

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
6  Sean Treacy    5 years ago

Even the washigonton post is reporting the obvious tonight:

“The report — the general outlines of which the Justice Department has briefed the White House on — will reveal that Mueller decided he could not come to a conclusion on the question of obstruction because it was difficult to determine Trump’s intent and because some of his actions could be interpreted innocently, these people said”

the idea that a criminal case could be made for obstructing justice  has been perpostous since the Barr summary was released. No underlying crime. No interference with the investigation. No subornation of perjury.   It was always just another pipe dream and the last desperate hope of reality deniers trying to cope with the exposure of their collusion lies.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @6    5 years ago
the idea that a criminal case could be made for obstructing justice  has been perpostous since the Barr summary

We have a clown president who tried time after time to intimidate or otherwise co-opt people who were investigating him. 

Are you actually proud of this fool? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
6.1.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    5 years ago

Yes John and the more your side attack him the prouder of him we are...keep up the good work of making us ever more proud of our President. jrSmiley_81_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @6    5 years ago

We'll probably know tomorrow whether or not the Mueller investigation "completely" exonerates Donald Trump and his campaign. 

We KNOW from public knowledge that Trump directed a lie about the Trump Tower meeting. Given the importance of all that to the last two years of investigation I'd impeach his ass just for that. And for his asking Russians to illegally spy on his opponent. And for his cheering on the dissemination of stolen emails from his political opponent and the opposition political party. And for him lying to the American people about his efforts to secure a business deal with Russia while he was campaigning for US president.  

"Completely exonerated" ? please, we don't even need a Mueller report to know that is impossible. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
6.2.1  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2    5 years ago
We'll probably know tomorrow whether or not the Mueller investigation "completely" exonerates Donald Trump and his campaign

Probably not. We will probably not even see half the report.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2    5 years ago
We'll probably know tomorrow whether or not the Mueller investigation "completely" exonerates Donald Trump and his campaign

The report doesn't need to exonerate anyone. That isn't the purpose of the report. 

You seem awfully hung up on "exoneration". 

If Mueller found no collusion, (and apparently, he didn't) then Democrats will simply have to accept that and move on, or run wildly about, screaming at the sky.

Either way, they will look foolish after touting for 2 long years how the Great Mueller Report was going to "get Trump".

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.2    5 years ago
You seem awfully hung up on "exoneration".

Can I have a dollar for every time Trump has recently said that the Mueller report "completely exonerated" him?  I could buy myself a nice steak dinner. 

I'm not hung up on "exoneration", your president is. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.3    5 years ago
Can I have a dollar for every time Trump has recently said that the Mueller report "completely exonerated" him? I could buy myself a nice steak dinner.

Sure you can--if you find someone foolish enough to give you money.

That would be like me asking if I can have a dollar for every "Hate Trump" seed that is posted here.

And Trump isn't here, but somehow you have managed to bring up exoneration quite a bit.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.6  Texan1211  replied to    5 years ago
The helium has gone out of your "Impeach Trump" balloon.

I am sure someone will huff and puff 'til that balloon floats again!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
6.2.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2    5 years ago

We KNOW from public knowledge that Trump directed a lie about the Trump Tower meeting.

So lying to the media now counts as “obstruction  of Justice?”

thats not how this works.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2    5 years ago
we don't even need a Mueller report to know that is impossible. 

Oh, now they don't need the report!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
7  Buzz of the Orient    5 years ago

The Pope is infallible?  LOL

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
8  Ender    5 years ago

There xxxxx  xx  xxx will be xxx xxxxxx xxx x so xx  x much xxxx xxxxx xx xxx redacted.

Isn't it nice that Barr is having a press conference before the report is released. That way he doesn't have to answer any questions.

Didn't he also say that he didn't like making a spectacle of things? Seems to be doing just that.

I am not sure how these things are supposed to work exactly yet it seems the trump team already had a heads up and will see it before anyone else.

I would think if anything, it should be given to congress and the pres at the same time.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @8    5 years ago
That way he doesn't have to answer any questions.

He will be back to do just that

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
9  The Magic 8 Ball    5 years ago

pssst, hey lefty.  the obvious, is glaring.

if mueller had found anything, the smallest scrap or hint of a crime that he could have charged trump with?

he fukin would have done it.

all your banking on now is some more manufactured drama... LOL

 
 
 
luther28
Sophomore Silent
10  luther28    5 years ago

My, my Nostradamus is alive and well.

The report has not been seen by anyone outside of the circle and yet not only are we being told what is in it, but also what one side will or will not say. This has to have elevated mental masturbation to new heights, I suppose that makes Mr. Barr the pivot man.

I myself am content to wait for a few hours.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  luther28 @10    5 years ago
but also what one side will or will not say.

The reason for that is - THEYR'E ALREADY SAYING IT!

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
10.2  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  luther28 @10    5 years ago
The report has not been seen by anyone outside of the circle

nothing reported today will contradict that which was reported in the last few weeks.

seriously, why would anyone expect anything new to be released?  the left is only hoping for some dirt to create drama from but they are not going to get anything that amounts to a hill of beans.

barr took his past 4page report and stretched it out and added pretty colors.  that's it.

no collusion, no obstruction, everything else is irrelevant.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
11  evilone    5 years ago

For fuck's sake why do does the alt+right need the federalist to spoon feed them what they think the report says? Granted most of this is already public information, but shit people, you would be running around the streets in camo and faux-assault rifles again if this were about Democrats.

~

Speaking about Democrats, the report is going to come down to people acting inappropriately, much like the report on Clinton's email. About the best thing you can hope for is nailing Trump on illegal campaign contributions for trying to hide his cock in women other than his wife and paying to cover it up. Trump is so horrible, but the DNC will probably fuck it up and we'll end up with another 4 years of this shit clown.

 
 
 
luther28
Sophomore Silent
11.1  luther28  replied to  evilone @11    5 years ago

Trump is so horrible, but the DNC will probably fuck it up and we'll end up with another 4 years of this shit clown.

Ah, a realist:)

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
11.1.1  evilone  replied to  luther28 @11.1    5 years ago
Ah, a realist:)

I've seen the polls - 

Biden - not running and has a issue with being too handsy in the "Me Too" era
Sanders - Socialist Democrat - He will never coalesce the party
O'Rourke - Progressive - too progressive for the Clinton party base
Harris - Running as a Progressive, but isn't
Buttigieg - At #4 in the polls can a relatively unknown centrist get elected?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12  Tessylo    5 years ago

I'm so sick of people calling democrats fuck ups.  We're not perfect but for fucks' sake.  At least we have standards and morals.  Sick of it.  

 
 
 
luther28
Sophomore Silent
12.1  luther28  replied to  Tessylo @12    5 years ago

You and I have had this discussion before Tessylo. Though an Independent, I have leaned to the Dems of late (as the GOP has been going progressively bat shit crazy for the past forty years), but as you know I have no use for either of the present crops.

Standards and morals to one side, the Dems do seem to manage to blow the game in the final moments, but at least they have hearts and decent intentions. They just need to get more folks throwing elbows under the boards ( a.k.a. Ms. Pelosi ) and beat the GOP at their own game.

I hope I haven't aggravated you too much:)

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  luther28 @12.1    5 years ago
'You and I have had this discussion before Tessylo. Though an Independent, I have leaned to the Dems of late (as the GOP has been going progressively bat shit crazy for the past forty years), but as you know I have no use for either of the present crops.

Standards and morals to one side, the Dems do seem to manage to blow the game in the final moments, but at least they have hearts and decent intentions. They just need to get more folks throwing elbows under the boards ( a.k.a. Ms. Pelosi ) and beat the GOP at their own game.

I hope I haven't aggravated you too much:)'
'but at least they have hearts and decent intentions.'
That's what I've been trying to say.  
I appreciate your thoughts and comments.  I had these same types of discussions with Steve too - I don't see him around so much anymore.
I told him, what I'll tell you, I tend to take it personally when these kinds of comments are made about democrats, it's my problem and no one else's so please forgive me for being such a jerk some times about these things.  
I hold no ill will towards you or anyone with these feelings/opinions.  
You don't aggravate me at all!  
Peace!

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
12.2  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Tessylo @12    5 years ago
At least we have standards and morals.  Sick of it.  

people with standards and morals do not abuse the power of govt to overthrow the results of an election and oust a sitting president. that is highly illegal and immoral stuff.

not only are the left fuk ups?  but history will remember today's left as "treasonous fuk ups".

perhaps it is time to work on a new brand name? "the progressive brand" is toast.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
12.2.1  evilone  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @12.2    5 years ago
do not abuse the power of govt to overthrow the results of an election and oust a sitting president.

A lie.

but history will remember today's left as "treasonous fuk ups".

Or will history remember the Trump years as the most corrupt administration ever? 

"the progressive brand" is toast.

When you are so far to the right that everything to the left looks "Progressive" you've already lost the argument.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
12.2.2  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  evilone @12.2.1    5 years ago
A lie.

you wish.... LOL

in around and about 60days or less they start to fall    =  mark your calendar.

this is the final count down jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
12.2.3  evilone  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @12.2.2    5 years ago
in around and about 60days or less they start to fall    =  mark your calendar.

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

Bengaizi!

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
12.2.4  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  evilone @12.2.3    5 years ago
Bengaizi!

god bless you.

have you tried antihistamines?

get well soon jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @12.2.1    5 years ago

He never had an argument.  Just whackjob pronouncements.  

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
12.3  evilone  replied to  Tessylo @12    5 years ago
I'm so sick of people calling democrats fuck ups. 

The party is fractured and can't figure out where it stands as a whole. If the past is any indication it will have an ugly time coalescing around the Primary winner no matter who it is. Too Progressive and you loss the left leaning centrist undecided. Too centrist and you lose the progressives again. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @12.3    5 years ago

Okeydokey

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
12.3.2  evilone  replied to  Tessylo @12.3.1    5 years ago
Okeydokey

I still remember all the Democrats that told me they don't need my vote before the last election.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.3.3  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @12.3.2    5 years ago

Allrightythen.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.4  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @12    5 years ago
I'm so sick of people calling democrats fuck ups.

And the rest of us are actually tired of some Democrats being such fuck-ups.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
13  Sean Treacy    5 years ago

Rich Lowery nailed it:

"Bill Barr said the Mueller report will be lightly redacted, that the president made no claim of executive privilege, that Congress will see an unredacted version of the report (except for grand jury material), and that he has no problem with Mueller testifying before Congress. Yet the press is outraged that he’s supposedly covering for Trump. Incredible…"

Reality has no relationship with Democrats who make these claims. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14  seeder  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

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Now our attention will turn to Nadler's circus

The final work of Robert Mueller:

Time:   22 months (or 675 days). The Justice Department appointed Mueller on May 17, 2017. The investigation ended on March 22, 2019.

Length:   400 pages

Indictments:   Mueller ultimately indicted, convicted or got guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies.

Team:   Mueller employed 19 lawyers, who were assisted by a team of about 40 FBI agents, intelligence analysts, forensic accountants and other professional staff.

The investigation:   The Mueller team issued more than 2,800 subpoenas and executed close to 500 search warrants.

The team also obtained more than 230 orders for communication records, issued 50 orders authorizing use of pen registers and made 13 requests to foreign governments for evidence. The special counsel interviewed approximately 500 witnesses, according to a   letter   sent to Congress by Barr.

Cost:   The total cost of the investigation is still unknown.

But so far, Mueller’s office has released three expenditures statements. Direct and indirect costs totaled $25.2 million through Sept. 30, 2018, from the start of the investigation (May 17, 2017). Although Mueller turned in a proposed budget to the Department of Justice in July 2017, officials declined to make it public, instead committing to releasing reports of the team’s expenditures every six months.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
14.1  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @14    5 years ago
Indictments: Mueller ultimately indicted, convicted or got guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies.

Conservatives keep tip toeing around this pit.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @14.1    5 years ago

and 0 had to do with Russian collusion

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
14.1.2  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.1.1    5 years ago
and 0 had to do with Russian collusion

So? They are still crimes. More indictments to come too.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
14.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  evilone @14.1.2    5 years ago
They are still crimes. More indictments to come too.

Who "Reported" that now ?

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
14.1.4  evilone  replied to  It Is ME @14.1.3    5 years ago
Who "Reported" that now ?

If you are talking about more indictments I apologize. I was trying to multitask and that never goes well. LOL. What I should have said is - Part of the redactions include ongoing investigations and there may be more indictments to come. This has been reported everywhere.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
14.1.5  It Is ME  replied to  evilone @14.1.4    5 years ago
Part of the redactions include ongoing investigations and there may be more indictments to come. This has been reported everywhere.

Only from the likes of MSNBC, CNN, and any other "Left" media outlet you can think of. Seems "The "God" Mueller and his report, didn't find a need for that.

If it goes further, as touted by Libs every friggin day, it's all about Politics, and not "Rule of Law" !

I'm still waiting for Shifty Schiffs definitive Evidence he's been touting he has, for 2 years now. I know "GOD" Mueller" must not have seen it. What has Schiff been hiding from the "Ubersuperduper Council" the "Left" had to have back when ?

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
14.1.6  evilone  replied to  It Is ME @14.1.5    5 years ago
Seems "The "God" Mueller and his report, didn't find a need for that.

FFS... get out of that bubble for two minutes and stop sniffing your own farts. Everyone that opposes Trump isn't a CNN drooling "Lib". There are 4 reasons, by law, that Barr had to redact information. One of them Barr & Muller's team said themselves was ongoing investigations. Not everything found had to do specifically with Trump either, but are still crimes found as a result of the investigation.

If it goes further, as touted by Libs every friggin day, it's all about Politics, and not "Rule of Law" !

So politics is bad when it's Clinton or Obama, but bad when it's Trump? I'll ignore that which will inevitably stupid (of course the partisans won't), but stuff like Trump ordering staffers to do things that were blatantly wrong is politically poignant. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
14.1.7  It Is ME  replied to  evilone @14.1.6    5 years ago
So politics is bad when it's Clinton or Obama, but bad when it's Trump?

Being Only for "political reasons", sucks, no matter what fucking side it's on. 

In case you hadn't noticed yet, One isn't supposed to go to the voting booth to elect someone that says they are going to do anything they can to get someone out of office. Seems that was the "Go-To this last election cycle. The Women of the KKK got voted in this time. Funny thing, those "White Clothed" liberal women "high fiving" themselves. Weird ! jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

Do you vote for that reason ?

"Everyone that opposes Trump isn't a CNN drooling "Lib". 

98% of the time ….. Yep.. ...they are ! That's called a M-A-J-O-R-I-T-Y !

Unlike the "Left", that always seems to try to make a voter feel like 2% is an actual Majority. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
15  seeder  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

It's up now...Justice.gov

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
17  seeder  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

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Welcome

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
17.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @17    5 years ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
17.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @17.1    5 years ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
17.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @17.1.1    5 years ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
18  seeder  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
18.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @18    5 years ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
19  seeder  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

Here's an interesting page:

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
20  Tessylo    5 years ago

Are you going to post every fucking page?  

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
20.1  evilone  replied to  Tessylo @20    5 years ago
Are you going to post every fucking page?  

Only the stuff that reinforces his point of view. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
20.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @20.1    5 years ago
Only the stuff that reinforces his point of view. 

That would be every fuckin page!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
20.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @20.1    5 years ago

I don't see a  need for him to post these when we can go find it and read it for ourselves.  

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
20.1.3  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @20.1.1    5 years ago
That would be every fuckin page!

Sure, Vic, sure.... There is a lot of political hay to reap here and little of it good for Trump. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
20.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @20.1.2    5 years ago
I don't see a need for him to post these when we can go find it and read it for ourselves.

Just a preemptive move on his part. If he talks about the report, the usual suspects will be asking for links and proof.

Here it is.

Read it or not.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
20.1.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @20.1.3    5 years ago

What color is the world you reside in?

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
20.1.6  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @20.1.5    5 years ago
What color is the world you reside in?

Infinite shades of gray.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
20.2  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @20    5 years ago

Gee, all along, people have been screeching for the Mueller Report, and now that you have it, you don't want it?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
20.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @20.2    5 years ago

For now those who can calm themselves enough to read will be focused on Volume 2 (obstruction)...There are 10 issues listed there. We will be hearing all about that later today!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
20.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @20    5 years ago

Lol, no. This is what youv'e been waiting for...right?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
20.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @20.3    5 years ago

No need to post it Vic.  We are able to find it and read it ourselves.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
20.3.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @20.3.1    5 years ago

I'm happy for ya

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
20.3.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @20.3.2    5 years ago

No need.  Last word?

Proceed.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
20.3.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Release The Kraken @20.3.4    5 years ago

If you think they're grumpy now wait until the IG Report is released!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
20.3.6  Texan1211  replied to  Release The Kraken @20.3.4    5 years ago
Lot's of grumpy people this morning. It was supposed to somehow inaugurate Hillary but it didn't.

Grumpy? LOL!

It is like Democrats are kids anticipating getting a new Xbox for Christmas and opening a box and finding a deck of playing cards missing 2 aces.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
20.3.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Release The Kraken @20.3.4    5 years ago

Don Jr. didnt have the mentality to understand he was breaking the law. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

I think we will see renewed vigor for congressional hearings including impeachment.  This report does not "exonerate" Trump, no matter what his deluded followers think. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
20.3.8  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @20.3.7    5 years ago

John, I'm glad your'e up & around. What will Nadler do next?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
20.3.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @20.3.8    5 years ago

I actually thought the report would be more exculpatory of Trump, from what we were led to believe. 

No way it will die down now after this. 

There is more chance he will be impeached than there was yesterday. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
20.3.10  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @20.3.9    5 years ago
I actually thought the report would be more exculpatory of Trump, from what we were led to believe.

Oh, FFS. It is no secret that many have been banking on the Mueller Report to do what Democrats couldn't--get rid of Trump.

No way it will die down now after this.

Well, of course not. Democrats have been banking on this for over two years, and it will take a long, long time for them to get over this.

There is more chance he will be impeached than there was yesterday.

John, you have been predicting a Trump impeachment or resignation for a very long time now. Might be time to find a new bone to gnaw on. There is no meat on yours.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
20.3.11  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @20.3.9    5 years ago
I actually thought the report would be more exculpatory of Trump

You did?  That's incredible!

No way it will die down now after this. 

Nope, apparently not!

There is more chance he will be impeached than there was yesterday. 

And when can we expect that?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
20.3.12  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @20.3.9    5 years ago
No way it will die down now after this.

After what, specifically?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
20.3.13  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @20.3.12    5 years ago

John?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
20.3.14  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @20.3.11    5 years ago

I wish I had a buck for every single time someone has "predicted" that Trump will resign or be impeached.

You'd think after 2+ years, they would realize the foolhardiness of their "predictions".

Kind of makes me miss the good old days when so many were predicting Trump could never, ever beat Hillary, that he wouldn't last 3 months, er, 6 months, er, one year, er, whoops--first term and that the economy would crash and we would be in new wars.

Funny how you don't hear much about those predictions anymore.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
20.3.15  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @20.3.14    5 years ago

At this point, we have to admit, the left does not accept truth or facts.  That is the biggest lesson here.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
20.3.16  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @20.3.14    5 years ago

The Mueller Report is largely critical of Trump.

Put that in your sandwich and chew on it. 

MAGA? ROFL. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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20.3.17  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @20.3.16    5 years ago

John, please give us the facts

 
 
 
Texan1211
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20.3.18  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @20.3.16    5 years ago

John, your credibility on Trump matters with me is shot to hell and back.

I haven't seen your predictions coming true, despite many made over the last 2+ years.

Critical?

OOOOOOHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

LMFAO!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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20.3.19  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @20.3.17    5 years ago

John?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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20.3.20  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @20.3.19    5 years ago

John, do you remember when you said you didn't think there was collusion, but you didn't care, you just wanted him out?

Hold on John, Laura Ingraham is checking in

 
 
 
Tessylo
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20.3.21  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @20.3.16    5 years ago

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Vic Eldred
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21  seeder  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

Page 27 & 28 has a Russian being interviewed about the Dossier and its credibility.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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22  seeder  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

Before I wrap this up, I think I speak for everyone when I say we are all grateful that nobody in the Trump campaign or the Trump administration conspired with Russia.

Thank you all

 
 
 
Tessylo
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23  Tessylo    5 years ago

Speak for yourself.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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23.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @23    5 years ago

Oh ok, Tess, we got it. You wish someone did betray the nation!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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23.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @23.1    5 years ago
You wish someone did betray the nation!

Seems a little un-American, no?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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23.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @23.1.1    5 years ago

I'd say so!  They are more interested in destroying Trump. Did they ever care about America?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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23.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @23.1    5 years ago
Oh ok, Tess, we got it. You wish someone did betray the nation!

Trump betrays the principles of this nation 24/7/365. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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23.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @23.1.2    5 years ago

The idea that you are not pro-America unless you support Trump is pathetic. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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23.1.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @23.1.3    5 years ago

You mean he dosen't share your progressive values?   Some consider that an oxymoron

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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23.1.6  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @23.1.4    5 years ago

That's not what was said. Are you happy that nobody conspired against this country or are you not?

Let's see what YOUR values are!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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23.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @23.1    5 years ago

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Tessylo
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23.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @23.1.1    5 years ago

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Vic Eldred
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23.1.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @23.1.6    5 years ago

That's a tough question I know. Take your time

 
 
 
Texan1211
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23.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @23.1.7    5 years ago

Removed for context

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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23.1.11  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @23.1.6    5 years ago

Back to the den?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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23.1.12  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @23.1.8    5 years ago

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Texan1211
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23.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @23.1.8    5 years ago

Removed for context

 
 
 
Texan1211
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23.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @23.1.12    5 years ago

Removed for context

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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24  JohnRussell    5 years ago
Before I wrap this up

Getting out of Dodge? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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24.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @24    5 years ago

Don't you think this seed has run it's course?  The Report is out

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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25  seeder  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

Be back later

 
 

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