McCain family to support Biden in 2020 race in bid to defeat Trump

  
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McCain family to support Biden in 2020 race in bid to defeat Trump

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www.washingtonexaminer.com

McCain family to support Biden in 2020 race in bid to defeat Trump


by Joseph Simonson







The late Sen. John McCain's family plans to support former Vice President Joe Biden's White House bid, backing the Democrat not only in his party's crowded primary race but also in a general election matchup with President Trump, the Washington Examinerhas learned.

In an extraordinary snub to Trump, who derided McCain's Vietnam War service and mocked him even after his death last August at age 81, the McCain family is preparing to break with the Republican Party. McCain represented the party in Congress for 35 years and was chosen as its presidential nominee in 2008, losing to Barack Obama.

Sources close to both Biden's presidential campaign and the McCains said that at some point during the White House race, McCain's widow Cindy, 64, and daughter Meghan, 34, a host on "The View," will offer their public support in the hope of removing Trump from office in 2020.








A former McCain campaign official with close ties to the family said support for Biden was a given, but they needed to calculate how they could best help the former vice president. Both Cindy and Meghan McCain remain Republicans, and one consideration is whether endorsing Biden in the Democratic primary could do him more harm than good. "It's undeniable that Joe Biden and the McCain family have a very close, personal relationship. It's about what's good for him [Biden]."

Another McCain family source said there had been discussions with the Bidens about his 2020 run, which is expected to be announced on Thursday. "They talk regularly and have been supportive of his run," the source said. "The question is going to be timing and coordinating with the Biden campaign. There are a lot of moving parts there and [Biden's campaign is] not necessarily organized. I wouldn't expect a formal family endorsement because some of McCain's family is still in the military, but I do expect Cindy to speak out at some point."

The source said they expected Meghan McCain to speak out in favor of Biden should he get the nomination, but a Cindy McCain endorsement could come sooner.

A Biden campaign source said that Biden himself had talked about his support from the McCains and had discussed whether family members should appear with him during the Democratic primary battle. Biden canceled a launch event scheduled for Wednesday in Charlottesville, Va., and is now due to announce his candidacy via video on Thursday before appearing in Pennsylvania on Monday.

Another former senior McCain aide wondered whether support from the late senator's family would help Biden in a crowded Democratic primary with most other candidates running to his left: "I'm just not sure how much that helps in a primary where the party is constantly moving towards the left. If you're a two-term former vice president and basically tied with Bernie Sanders, that's not a good sign."

The feud between the Trump and McCain clans stretches back nearly two decades. Back when he first considered a presidential run in 2000, Trump questioned McCain's military service by proclaiming he was "captured" during the Vietnam War.

Tensions increased when Trump ran for the GOP nomination during the 2016 presidential election, saying McCain was "weak" on immigration and implied he was an "incompetent" senator. Trump remains livid about McCain's role in disseminating the "dossier" drawn up by former British spy Christopher Steele containing unproven allegations about collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia in 2016 and Trump watching prostitutes urinate on a bed in a Moscow hotel room in 2013.

McCain skipped the Republican convention in 2016, when Trump received their party's presidential nomination. After the release of the infamous "Access Hollywood" tape in October 2016, McCain said it was "impossible to continue to offer even conditional support for his candidacy" and that he could vote for neither Hillary Clinton nor Trump. McCain on Election Day refused to say he voted for Trump, while Meghan McCain said she voted for Evan McMullin, an independent.

Things came to a head after Trump took office and McCain — to Trump's fury — helped doom the Republican attempt to repeal Obamacare. Trump was not invited to the senator's funeral, during which Meghan McCain delivered pointed jabs at the president, saying: "We gather here to mourn the passing of American greatness. The real thing, not cheap rhetoric from men who will never come near the sacrifice he gave so willingly, nor the opportunistic appropriation of those who lived lives of comfort and privilege.”

[ Opinion: Why Trump hates John McCain so much]

Meghan McCain later slammed Ivanka Trump, the president's daughter, and her husband Jared Kushner, for attending the funeral, saying: "I thought that my family had made it clear, or at least I had, that the Trumps are unwelcome around me, and that my father had been sort of very clear about the line between the McCains and the Trumps."

One statesman who did attend the funeral was Biden. Through tears, Biden eulogized McCain, beginning: “My name’s Joe Biden. I’m a Democrat. And I loved John McCain." He added: “The way I look at it, the way I thought about it, was that I always thought of John as a brother,” Biden said. “We had a hell of a lot of family fights. We go a long way.”

Reminiscing about his time in the Senate with McCain, Biden said that despite their political differences, they shared hopes and goals: “We were both full of dreams and ambitions, and an overwhelming desire to make the time we had there worthwhile, to try to do the right thing, to think about how much we could make things better for the country we loved so much."

The two families have known each other for decades, and after Biden left office, the they have developed an even closer relationship, and Cindy McCain talks to the Bidens regularly.

The families were drawn further together when McCain came down with brain cancer, the same illness Biden’s son Beau died of at the age of 46. During an emotional appearance with Meghan McCain on The View while McCain was ill but still alive, Biden sought to comfort her, saying of him and McCain, “We’re like two brother who were somehow raised by different fathers or something, because of our points of view.” After her father's death, Meghan McCain said Biden and his family helped her through her grief.

Several longtime staffers and aides to McCain have left the GOP since Trump's election. Mark Salter, a close confidante to the McCain family for nearly 30 years, urged the public to vote for Democrats in the 2018 midterm elections. "Vote For the Democrat (in most cases). That feels weird to write. But the bigger the rebuke of Trump the better for the country. Resist," Salter tweeted on Nov. 6, 2018.

Steve Schmidt, McCain's former presidential campaign chairman, renounced the GOP in 2018 as well, calling the party "corrupt" and "immoral."

In March, Meghan McCain suggested on her show "The View" that Trump felt haunted by her late father: “Listen, he spends his weekend, obsessing over great men because he knows it and I know it and all of you know it. He will never be a great man. And so, my father was his kryptonite in life. He will be his kryptonite in death."




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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

It would be a nice irony if the McCains were to help to bring down trump. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago

McCain was a Republican in name only. In real life he was a closet Democrat and a nasty person.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    4 weeks ago

Oh, you knew him personally, did you?

 
 
 
Veronica
1.1.2  Veronica  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    4 weeks ago

Did you say that when he was running against Obama?  I can't quite recall from NewsVine, but I kind of remember you supporting him.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.1.3  SteevieGee  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    4 weeks ago

You supported him when he was your nominee.

 
 
 
Sunshine
1.1.4  Sunshine  replied to  Veronica @1.1.2    4 weeks ago
but I kind of remember you supporting him.

Now his family will be the heroes of the left after they despised him and attacked him viciously.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.5  XDm9mm  replied to  Veronica @1.1.2    4 weeks ago

What choice was there?

McCain, or the community organizer Obama.

War veteran vs military hater.

 
 
 
Veronica
1.1.6  Veronica  replied to  Sunshine @1.1.4    4 weeks ago

That is on the "left" then.  Just as it is on the "right" to hate a man & denigrate him now that he is dead.  I supported McCain in 2000 when he lost the nod to GW Bush.  I don't play left and right as so many here do.  I would love to have candidates that are honest, moral and know what they are doing.

 
 
 
Veronica
1.1.7  Veronica  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.5    4 weeks ago

Huh, just like so many on the "left" that had to choose between Hillary (someone that has been in politics) and Trump (a known adulterer, liar and crook).  

Got any proof that Obama hated the military? Other than your hatred of him.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.8  XDm9mm  replied to  Veronica @1.1.7    4 weeks ago
Got any proof that Obama hated the military?

Simply the fact that he was eviscerating it from day one.   He devolved our capabilities to a point where the military actually had to shelve the two front war concept that was sustained (for a very valid and historical reason) from WWII to a fight to standoff position.

 
 
 
Sunshine
1.1.9  Sunshine  replied to  Veronica @1.1.6    4 weeks ago
That is on the "left" then

Yes, and on the family.  Is this what McCain would have wanted? Democrats treated him and his running mate with disgust and contempt.  Vicious attacks on both of them.  

Seems to me his family has sold him out and take very little pride in their loyalty.

 
 
 
Veronica
1.1.10  Veronica  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.8    4 weeks ago

So no real proof other than what you believe to be true?

 
 
 
Veronica
1.1.11  Veronica  replied to  Sunshine @1.1.9    4 weeks ago

After what Trump said about McCain after his death I do not blame them for bailing on their support of him.  I wouldn't support such a man.

 
 
 
Veronica
1.1.12  Veronica  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.8    4 weeks ago

So you are a war monger?

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.1.13  SteevieGee  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.5    4 weeks ago
What choice was there?

You could have voted for Alan Keyes.  Oh wait...  He's black isn't he.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.1.14  KDMichigan  replied to  SteevieGee @1.1.13    4 weeks ago
Oh wait...  He's black isn't he.

Race only matters to most proglibs. To be used as a tool.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  Veronica @1.1.10    4 weeks ago
'So no real proof other than what you believe to be true?'

That's all he has.  

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.16  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Veronica @1.1.11    4 weeks ago

 But I bet you have  supported that sort of individual and I’m willing to bet you will again.

 
 
 
Veronica
1.1.17  Veronica  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.1.16    4 weeks ago

What "sort" of individual are you asking about.  Honest & moral & intelligent then Yes I would support them.  How about you, or do you prefer bumbling, lying, misogynists?

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.18  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Veronica @1.1.17    4 weeks ago

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Veronica
1.1.19  Veronica  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.1.18    4 weeks ago

So what "sort" of person where you referring to?  You never answered - instead you want on a rant demeaning me for having integrity.  Keep supporting the bumbling, lying misogynist.  That reflects on YOU.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.1.20  livefreeordie  replied to  SteevieGee @1.1.3    4 weeks ago

He was never my nominee and I voted 3rd party as I always do.  I don't belong to either party.  The Republicans are mostly Democratic Socialists and the Democrats range from communists to Marxist Fascists or Stalinists.

 
 
 
Kavika
1.1.21  Kavika   replied to  livefreeordie @1.1.20    4 weeks ago
The Republicans are mostly Democratic Socialists and the Democrats range from communists to Marxist Fascists or Stalinists.

LOL, once again you've surpassed your most ignorant comments with this beauty. We have a new number 1....Kudos 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.1.22  livefreeordie  replied to  Kavika @1.1.21    4 weeks ago

facts seem to bother you.

The Republican party has been run for more than 60 years by the Rockefeller Democratic Socialists.  There has been NO serious attempt to role back or repeal any of the Marxist Fascist and Communist policies implenented beginning with Wilson and then greatly expanded by FDR (who loved fascism in his own words), LBJ, NIXON, CARTER, and Obama.

There are no serious disagreements by the Democrats on either the Communist Manifesto steps to transition from capitalism to communism in Section II Proletarians and Communists, nor with the Marxist Socialist policies of Mussolini.

Those are facts that cannot be disputed.  Only the ignorant chose to accept a separate reality

 
 
 
Kavika
1.1.23  Kavika   replied to  livefreeordie @1.1.22    4 weeks ago
facts seem to bother you

LOL, I'd say that your pretty much factless...

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.24  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Veronica @1.1.19    4 weeks ago

I don't support people in the political realm.  I detest them.  I support ideas that align with my philosophy of higher reasoning and rational thought.   That's enough integrity for me.  Tossing around simplistic labels without any basis is not.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.1.25  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    4 weeks ago

closet Democrat and a nasty person.

You just described Trump to a tee.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.1.26  livefreeordie  replied to  Kavika @1.1.23    4 weeks ago

Cite one bill by Republicans to  repeal the 16th amendment, or get rid of the departments of agriculture, education, energy, commerce, health & human services, EPA, OSHA, FDA, FTC, depts of labor, transportation, repeal medicare and medicaid and return all these issues to the states.

 
 
 
Kavika
1.1.27  Kavika   replied to  livefreeordie @1.1.26    4 weeks ago

Why  would you ask me to cite a bill by the Republicans to repeal anything? Because you believe that those departments are not fitting with our country doesn't make it right/accurate/ or even logical. 

Carry on LFOD.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.1.28  livefreeordie  replied to  Kavika @1.1.27    4 weeks ago

 Because you questioned the idea that the Establishment Republicans are Democratic Socialists.  I challenged you to cite where they've ever repealed the marxist unconstitutional laws and departments they have put in place.

It doesn't matter whether they are fitting or not (and I believe they are not), they are not Constitutional. Ours is a Constitution of Enumerated Powers and those are not powers granted to the Federal Government.

In 1819, Chief Justice Marshall (McCulloch v. Maryland) ruled: "This government is acknowledged by all, to be one of enumerated powers."

"James Madison, the Father of our Constitution, clarified the authority of the federal government in the Federalist Papers #45:

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State."

And these from Madison and Jefferson

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."

--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Albert Gallatin, 1817

"I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground that 'all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states or to the people.' To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power not longer susceptible of any definition."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Opinion on the Constitutionality of a National Bank, February 15, 1791

"If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the general welfare, the government is no longer a limited one possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one subject to particular exceptions." James Madison, "Letter to Edmund Pendleton,"
-- James Madison, January 21, 1792,

"I see,... and with the deepest affliction, the rapid strides with which the federal branch of our government is advancing towards the usurpation of all the rights reserved to the States, and the consolidation in itself of all powers, foreign and domestic; and that, too, by constructions which, if legitimate, leave no limits to their power... It is but too evident that the three ruling branches of [the Federal government] are in combination to strip their colleagues, the State authorities, of the powers reserved by them, and to exercise themselves all functions foreign and domestic."
-- Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1825. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors, ME 16:146

 
 
 
Kavika
1.1.29  Kavika   replied to  livefreeordie @1.1.28    4 weeks ago
 Because you questioned the idea that the Establishment Republicans are Democratic Socialists.  I challenged you to cite where they've ever repealed the marxist unconstitutional laws and departments they have put in place.

If they are, in your opinion, unconstitutional why do they exist. Cannot the hordes of so called patriots change them...There are federal courts and, of course, SCOTUS who is there for exactly that reason. 

There is your solution.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.1.30  livefreeordie  replied to  Kavika @1.1.29    4 weeks ago

They exist because leftist politicians in both parties don't care about the Constitution.  There are no "hordes of patriots" in Congress sufficient to repeal these Unconstitutional laws and departments.

Most attempts to challenge in the Courts are rebuffed by SCOTUS because they state that citizens have no standing to challenge.  SCOTUS was leftist for most of the time when these were put in place.

It began when SCOTUS struck down the New Deal and FDR threatened to pack the Court with more Justices who would agree with him. They then reversed themselves and the coup against our Constitution was set in place.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.1.31  livefreeordie  replied to  Kavika @1.1.29    4 weeks ago

Furthermore the Founders never intended for the Judiciary to have that kind of power

Jefferson danger of Judiciary

“Nothing in the Constitution has given them [the federal judges] a right to decide for the Executive, more than to the Executive to decide for them. . . . The opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves, in their own sphere of action, but for the Legislature and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch.” (Letter to Abigail Adams, September 11, 1804

“Our Constitution . . . intending to establish three departments, co-ordinate and independent that they might check and balance one another, it has given—according to this opinion to one of them alone the right to prescribe rules for the government of others; and to that one, too, which is unelected by and independent of the nation. . . . The Constitution, on this hypothesis, is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please.” (Letter to Judge Spencer Roane, Sept. 6, 1819)

You seem . . . to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men, and not more so . . . and their power [is] the more dangerous, as they are in office for life and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots.” (Thomas Jefferson Letter to William Jarvis, Sept. 28, 1820)

At the establishment of our constitutions, the judiciary bodies were supposed to be the most helpless and harmless members of the government. Experience, however, soon showed in what way they were to become the most dangerous; that the insufficiency of the means provided for their removal gave them a freehold and irresponsibility in office; that their decisions, seeming to concern individual suitors only, pass silent and unheeded by the public at large; that these decisions, nevertheless, become law by precedent, sapping, by little and little, the foundations of the constitution, and working its change by construction, before any one has perceived that that invisible and helpless worm has been busily employed in consuming its substance. In truth, man is not made to be trusted for life if secured against all liability to account.” (Letter to A. Coray, October 31, 1823)

Alexander Hamilton Federalist 78

"...the judiciary, from the nature of its functions, will always be the least dangerous to the political rights of the Constitution; because it will be least in a capacity to annoy or injure them. The Executive not only dispenses the honors, but holds the sword of the community. The legislature not only commands the purse, but prescribes the rules by which the duties and rights of every citizen are to be regulated. The judiciary, on the contrary, has no influence over either the sword or the purse; no direction either of the strength or of the wealth of the society; and can take no active resolution whatever. It may truly be said to have neither FORCE nor WILL, but merely judgment; and must ultimately depend upon the aid of the executive arm even for the efficacy of its judgment"

“[T]here is not a syllable in the plan under consideration which directly empowers the national courts to construe the laws according to the spirit of the Constitution.” ~Alexander Hamiltonin Federalist Paper No. 81 (1787)

Lincoln also opposed SCOTUS having the power of judicial review

In 1861, Abraham Lincoln during his first inaugural address:

[T]he candid citizen must confess that if the policy of the Government upon vital questions affecting the whole people is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court, the instant they are made in ordinary litigation between parties in personal actions the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned their Government into the hands of that eminent tribunal. Nor is there in this view any assault upon the court or the judges. It is a duty from which they may not shrink to decide cases properly brought before them, and it is no fault of theirs if others seek to turn their decisions to politicaL purposes"

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.32  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @1.1.22    4 weeks ago
'facts seem to bother you.'

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Veronica
1.1.33  Veronica  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.1.24    4 weeks ago

Still no answer to my question, maybe because you cannot find anywhere that I mentioned what "sort" of person I support?  

Goodie for you. You support people that have no clue what they are doing - that is obvious with this administration.  What has been accomplished?  Be specific.  What has Trump gotten accomplished?  

You should vote for what who you believe in - You vote for Trump?  Then you voted for a lying, bumbling, misogynistic adulterer.  Hardly any integrity there.  Or do you think all those things are good?

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.34  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Veronica @1.1.33    4 weeks ago

No! you got and answer, you just didn't get the answer you wanted  Then you defaulted into name calling mode as if that's supposed have any impact when I have already explained why it couldn't matter less.  Of course perhaps you have forgotten that already.

Plus, it doesn't matter to me who you support.  What matters is the why.

At this point what has become obvious is that you have chosen to ignore reality and prefer to frolic about in a world of false dichotomies. However, I can assure of one thing that is real, I'll never march to the beat of your drum.

 
 
 
Veronica
1.1.35  Veronica  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.1.34    4 weeks ago
No! you got and answer, you just didn't get the answer you wanted  Then you defaulted into name calling mode as if that's supposed have any impact when I have already explained why it couldn't matter less.  Of course perhaps you have forgotten that already.

You never stated what "sort" of person I support.  

Name calling?  You tell me that I live in a fantasy land because I want honest & moral people running this country & that is fine. What name did I call you?  I asked you questions you refused to answer.

What reality?  That you want to continue to elect dishonest and immoral people - I believe that you have settled & because of people like you we will always have those type of people to chose from.  Be a man & stand up for honesty & morality.

Have a good weekend.

 
 
 
Enoch
1.2  Enoch  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago

Indeed.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.3  Freedom Warrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago

 Unlikely, as we know those losers tend to stick together and that’s what’s going to happen again. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
2  It Is ME    4 weeks ago

"The late Sen. John McCain's family plans to support former Vice President Joe Biden's White House bid"

Oh Nooooooooo ! jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

Mr. "I support the RUSSIAN made Dossier, paid for by Hillary's team" family is gonna back an Old, Old, Old two time loser White Guy for President ! jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sunshine
3  Sunshine    4 weeks ago

Well this will certainly backfire on them.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4  seeder  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

The family of the Republican presidential nominee from three elections ago wants no part of supporting the current Republican president, and in fact publicly supports a Democrat. 

Pretty amazing stuff. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
4.1  Sunshine  replied to  JohnRussell @4    4 weeks ago

McCain lost and Trump won. Tell you something?

 
 
 
Veronica
4.1.1  Veronica  replied to  Sunshine @4.1    4 weeks ago

So now you support Trump, even though on the Biden thread a few weeks ago you said you didn't support him because of his treatment of women.  I guess I am confused & no I do not support the running of Biden.  I would prefer someone else.

 
 
 
Sunshine
4.1.2  Sunshine  replied to  Veronica @4.1.1    4 weeks ago
I guess I am confused

Yes you are.  No idea what you are referring to.  

 
 
 
Veronica
4.1.3  Veronica  replied to  Sunshine @4.1.2    4 weeks ago

Of course you don't.  Thank you fro clarifying what kind of person you truly are.

 
 
 
Sunshine
4.1.4  Sunshine  replied to  Veronica @4.1.3    4 weeks ago
Of course you don't.  Thank you fro clarifying what kind of person you truly are.

If you are going to say someone said something then provide it please.  You made an accusation in your reply 4.1.1, please back it up with what you are referring to.

But, I am sure you won't.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.1.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Veronica @4.1.3    4 weeks ago

You're not confused....you have whiplash!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.2  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @4    4 weeks ago
Pretty amazing stuff. 

Only to those hoping beyond hope for someone to come along to beat Trump.

Keep hoping John.   Your day will come when Trump leaves the White House....  in January 2025.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @4.2    4 weeks ago

The McCain family announcement is as much indicative of what a pathetic human being Trump is as a signal of what may happen in the next election. There is no precedent for this in modern American politics.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.2.2  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.1    4 weeks ago
The McCain family announcement is as much indicative of

the vitriolic hatred of President Donald Trump by the McCain family than anything truly substantive.

There, I fixed your post.  Have no fear, there will be no charge.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
4.2.3  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.1    4 weeks ago

Absolutely not - letting Groping Joe in the race just shows how pathetic the Dem/Lib candidates are.  What have they got now?  30 candidates?  And all of them "ME ME ME ME"?

Yup - even if the Repubs get another candidate, the Dems/Libs can just keep fielding their losers for another Repub win.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
4.2.4  Freedom Warrior  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.1    4 weeks ago

  If anybody is electing somebody because they think they’re really terrific human beings and a moral character then they haven’t been paying attention to the long list of fuckin douche bags losers and sons of bitches that of inhabited the political spectrum for the past few decades plus. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
4.2.5  Freedom Warrior  replied to  1stwarrior @4.2.3    4 weeks ago

 It seems that Joe is determined that that massive scandal involving the Ukraine and his son can be swept under the rug, we will have to see how it plays out. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.2.6  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.1    4 weeks ago

It matters not who the McCain family supports, they became irrevelant after Senator McCain died.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.3  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @4    4 weeks ago

not surprising given that McCain was a boot licker of leftist Democrats

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5  XDm9mm    4 weeks ago

So, the McCain family wants to back another that will lose to Trump.   

John McCain lost to Trump, so now the McCain family wants to delve into Democrat politics as their days as Republican In Name Only (RINO) have been made, painfully to them, public.  They need to understand that their 'family name' means about as much in politics today as former President Kennedy's family name means.......   NOTHING.

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1  Split Personality  replied to  XDm9mm @5    4 weeks ago
John McCain lost to Trump,

When did they run against each other?

 
 
 
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5.1.1  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  Split Personality @5.1    4 weeks ago
When did they run against each other?

These two slobs spent most of their carrier jerking one another off. They are shinning examples of the duopoly of failure that rules politics in this country.

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @5.1.1    4 weeks ago
These two slobs spent most of their carrier jerking one another off.

these two slobs?

800

Well, at least John served his country on a carrier or two...
 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
5.1.3  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.2    4 weeks ago

Comparing two slobs to the current slob that resides in the white house isn't an argument.

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @5.1.3    4 weeks ago

I guess I'll have to write it off to my decoder ring not working again......

maybe 9mm can actually answer my question.

 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
5.1.5  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.4    4 weeks ago

Well when you get your communication devices from a fruit loops box, fruity is to be expected.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @5.1.1    4 weeks ago

I'm having a hard time today deciphering your meaning and I usually speak Bad Fish pretty well

 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
5.1.8  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.6    4 weeks ago

You must travel to the gate at the east wall, then hike north for 2 days where you will encounter two red stones at the top of a tree stump. Look left and you will see the cave where The witch will put a newt in her boiling pot. Once the orb of knowledge rises from the pot you will see the truth.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @5.1.8    4 weeks ago

Will she tell me which two slobs you're talking about?

 
 
 
Ronin2
5.1.10  Ronin2  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.9    4 weeks ago

I believe it was Biden and McCain.

Of course I could have gotten the wrong orb of knowledge- the witch put eye of newt in the pot instead of just newt.

I also think he meant career (as in political), not carrier, but I could be wrong; as the orb made me sick.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1.10    4 weeks ago

You got the wrong stew. Next time take the stew from the purple pot (it's mine). I know the difference between Eye of Newt and Toe of Bat

But Biden and McCain clears that up at least. I thought at first BF meant trmp and McCain

 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
6  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ    4 weeks ago

John McCain and Joe Biden were architects of the failed Drug War and mass incarceration. These pigs need to be pitchforked from the landscape of American politics.

Gee thanks for Mandatory minimum sentences for non-violent offenders, asset forfeiture and promoting death penalty for drug dealers.

How exactly does a progressives support such a policy pusher?

See the 1988 Anti-drug abuse act & The 1994 Comprehensive crime control Act.

 
 
 
evilgenius
6.1  evilgenius  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @6    4 weeks ago
How exactly does a progressives support such a policy pusher?

Progressives don't. 

 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
6.1.1  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  evilgenius @6.1    4 weeks ago

I know you speak for yourself as many of our self described progressives here capitulated and voted for Hillary Clinton who has a similar record of supporting draconian criminal justice.

 
 
 
evilgenius
6.1.2  evilgenius  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @6.1.1    4 weeks ago
...as many of our self described progressives here capitulated and voted for Hillary Clinton...

As you should well know; a vote for the least worst candidate isn't the same as supporting every policy. I can't think if any candidate I ever voted for that I agreed with every policy.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
6.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  evilgenius @6.1.2    4 weeks ago

One issue voters aren't cute. You're not a one issue voter, Evil so you're cute

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  evilgenius @6.1.2    4 weeks ago
I can't think if any candidate I ever voted for that I agreed with every policy.

Ditto.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
6.2  SteevieGee  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @6    4 weeks ago

Actually Ronald Reagan declared the war on drugs in the early 80's.  Of course, he was simultaneously trading arms to the Nicaraguan rebels for massive amounts  of cocaine and distributing it in predominately black neighborhoods.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
6.2.1  livefreeordie  replied to  SteevieGee @6.2    4 weeks ago

a leftist myth that was completely debunked years ago

However, I completely supported arming the rebels against the communist government of Nicaragua.  And it must be noted that many Democrats gave their support to the communist government in Nicaragua, birds of a feather.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
6.2.2  SteevieGee  replied to  livefreeordie @6.2.1    4 weeks ago

Wait... Are you telling me that it never happened while, at the same time, telling me that you completely supported it while it wasn't happening?

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  SteevieGee @6.2.2    4 weeks ago
'Wait... Are you telling me that it never happened while, at the same time, telling me that you completely supported it while it wasn't happening?'
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SteevieGee
6.2.4  SteevieGee  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.3    4 weeks ago

Ha!

 
 
 
evilgenius
7  evilgenius    4 weeks ago

There are many on the right that refused to kiss Trump's ring.

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1  Tessylo  replied to  evilgenius @7    4 weeks ago
'There are many on the right that refused to kiss Trump's ring.'

Or his big fat ass.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
7.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  evilgenius @7    4 weeks ago

Funny thing is many on the left refused to kiss Hillary's. That's why she lost...jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ronin2
8  Ronin2    4 weeks ago

I lost all respect for McCain when he sold out to win the Republican nomination; after supporting his primary run against Bush Jr.

As for Biden it is a case of careful what you wish for. Looks like he is going to run, but might not be able to get traction against the #MeToo movement. His singular sense humor and lack of self awareness are real detriments to his potential run.

Well chock up another one for the Democratic clown car. Biden will be the clown with a permanent target on his back in the primaries. 

I understand the McCains hating Trump, he is not my favorite either; but McCain's hands are not clean after disseminating the Steele Dossier to the FBI. I guess they feel it is best to get Trump out of office at any cost.  Hope they don't get the rest of us as collateral damage.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
9  Jasper2529    4 weeks ago
McCain Family To Support Biden In 2020 Race In Bid To Defeat Trump

It's laughable to think that many people care about who the McCain family supports or doesn't support in the 2020 presidential election. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
9.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Jasper2529 @9    4 weeks ago

they think it will draw conservative votes.

and it wont. not in any numbers that matter.

all the political names that have been around for ages, have no chance.

cheers :)

 
 
 
luther28
10  luther28    4 weeks ago

Well that was nice of them, I believe Mr. McCain just might approve.

But I myself think it is time for some new blood and fresh ideas, someone will rise to the top (I hope).

 
 
 
livefreeordie
10.1  livefreeordie  replied to  luther28 @10    4 weeks ago

of course McCain would approve because it matches his lifetime of bootlicking of the left

 
 
 
luther28
10.1.1  luther28  replied to  livefreeordie @10.1    4 weeks ago

Kind of amusing as Mr. McCain opted to rather possibly die in the Hanoi Hilton with his comrades in arms rather than take an offered release and live free.

I suppose his avatar might be dieorlivefree.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
10.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  luther28 @10.1.1    4 weeks ago
Kind of amusing as Mr. McCain opted to rather possibly die in the Hanoi Hilton with his comrades in arms rather than take an offered release and live free.

Is there anyone who truly believes Trump would have made the same choice? Not that he would have even been given any opportunity to show his valor considering how he intentionally avoided any sort of service to our nation. Hard to believe someone supposedly with bone spurs could dodge so deftly. But I'm sure that's one of his qualities that supporters like most, the obvious yellow belly self serving cowardice combined with an overabundance of hubris, virtually the exact opposite of the hero and Statesman John McCain.

 
 
 
luther28
10.1.3  luther28  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @10.1.2    4 weeks ago
Is there anyone who truly believes Trump would have made the same choice?

I do not believe that should not  even be a question, although I am sure there will be some that will dispute that.

I am sure that Mr. Trump would have been quite heroic had it not been for those darn bone spurs (dripping with sarcasm ).

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
10.1.4  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @10.1.2    4 weeks ago
virtually the exact opposite of the hero and Statesman John McCain.

That one sure tickled my funny bone.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
11  Ed-NavDoc    4 weeks ago

To each their own. Whatever the McCain family chooses to do or not do is solely their business and their voting is nobody' business but theirs. I wish them well.

 
 
 
arkpdx
12  arkpdx    4 weeks ago

BFD! I, for one, I do not need McCain's family or anyonelses endorsement to know who to vote for. Not only don't I need their input I don't care who they support. I am a big boy now and perfectly capable of making my own decisions and that goes for any other endorsements by anyone for anyone 

 
 
 
Veronica
12.1  Veronica  replied to  arkpdx @12    4 weeks ago

I agree with you.  I do not vote for anyone based on who endorsed them.  I look at the person, their track record and how they lived their lives.  I admit it used to be easier when the news actually reported facts not entertainment & opinions, but I still do my own homework on the candidates and make my decision based on that.

 
 
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