Joe Biden Goes Straight After Trump In Stirring Announcement Video

  
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Joe Biden Goes Straight After Trump In Stirring Announcement Video

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JohnRussell
1  author  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

I have no doubt that Biden could annihilate Trump in all but the eyes of Trump's most committed and deluded followers. 

Even if Biden fails to get the nomination, he will be out there giving Trump a going over for the next year. 

Time to end our national tragic farce. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago

He's too old, too white, too moderate, too old ideas, too gaffe prone, and too creepy.

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Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.1.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    4 weeks ago
He's too old, too white, too moderate, too old ideas, too gaffe prone, and too creepy.

Take that description and raise it to the power of 10, add "he's a fascist pig"  and you've perfectly described the Scumbag you support. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.2  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    4 weeks ago
He's too old, too white, too moderate, too old ideas, too gaffe prone, and too creepy.

And those are his good characteristics.

 
 
 
JBB
1.1.3  JBB  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.1.2    3 weeks ago

I am not surprised that a Trump voter would think so...

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.2  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago
Even if Biden fails to get the nomination,

There are about 3 or 4 Democrats who could beat Trump in the general election.  All are moderates, and Biden is primary among them.  If he fails to get the nomination, it is a sign that the Democratic Party has forsaken wisdom for extremism.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago

The campaign ad was based on identity politics, division and hate. It was directed at black voters & the resistance.

It contains the classic progressive interpretation of Trump's "there were good people on both sides", as if it meant he was talking about the Nazis vs Antifa!  Think about that for a minute and remember what the controversy was about before the thugs showed up - removing statues. Are there good people who want them taken down? I think we can say yes! Are there good people who want all statues preserved?  I think we can say yes! That is what Trump meant.

Will Biden win the nomination?  Prediction: His current slim lead over Sanders will be his best day!

 
 
 
JBB
1.3.1  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3    3 weeks ago

Biden is the Democrat Trump fears most. So, he has that advantage...

 
 
 
evilgenius
2  evilgenius    4 weeks ago

Can the DNC get behind one candidate? Or will there be a repeat of 2016 when the Bernie Bros got all butt hurt and stayed home?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  evilgenius @2    4 weeks ago

The Dems might not realize it yet, but Bernie is toast. His proposals are too far from the mainstream of what Americans want from their government. Too many sappy ideas about free stuff and how we would pay for it all. But the final straw was the idiotic comments about letting currently time serving felons vote. I don't think that most patriotic citizens want a prez who thinks it's OK to let killers, rapists, and pedophiles vote. That's who he seems to be appealing to. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

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Tessylo
2.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1    4 weeks ago

I'm not for Bernie.  Never was.  Never will be.  

 
 
 
evilgenius
2.1.2  evilgenius  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1    4 weeks ago
The Dems might not realize it yet, but Bernie is toast...

I was speaking more broadly. Who will win the nomination is anyone's guess at this point, but will the Progressives support a Centrist candidate if they lose, or visa versa?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.3  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  evilgenius @2.1.2    4 weeks ago
I was speaking more broadly. Who will win the nomination is anyone's guess at this point, but will the Progressives support a Centrist candidate if they lose, or visa versa?

We'll just have to see how the primaries play out, won't we.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.3    4 weeks ago

As an independent, there is no way that I can back Bernie and I think that I am pretty much a standard indie. He's way to left for me. 

 
 
 
evilgenius
2.1.5  evilgenius  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.3    4 weeks ago
We'll just have to see how the primaries play out, won't we.  

It will be interesting. I have my front runner, but I'm not locked in on my primary vote yet.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.6  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.4    4 weeks ago

Bernie seems to be doing his own oppo research.  His comment about letting people in jail vote without any further distinction (i.e., those convicted of murder vs. those in for non-violent crimes--something, anyway) was about as bone-headed as it gets.  

But if he's too left for you, wouldn't Warren be as well? 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.6    4 weeks ago

Atheist, 

I am looking for electability and Warren doesn't have it because she is too far to the left. I think a move towards the center is what most of the swing voters want. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.8  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.7    4 weeks ago

Perrie, Warren's most "left" proposal is a small wealth tax on fortunes over 50 million dollars. Do you object to that "wealth tax"? 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.8    4 weeks ago

John, 

I will not discuss my political views with you. It only leads to fighting. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
2.1.10  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.7    4 weeks ago

I want a PotUS who will lead the nation towards being the number one producer of energy technology and, possibly, energy itself.   One who will secure our borders (sensibly), push towards fiscal responsibility, get the government out of the business of social legislation, lead to the adoption of a sensible health-care solution with federalized (decentralized) regulation, economies of scale and ultimately competitive private sector providers.   (Among other things.)

To that end, I do not expect to have a candidate to vote for in 2020.

So downplaying to what is possible, I want a PotUS who is not an embarrassment for our nation.

 
 
 
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2.1.11  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.9    4 weeks ago

I'll author my manifesto if John wants it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.12  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.9    4 weeks ago

lol.  Have I ever fought with you on the forum? 

You said Warren is too far left. Her most left proposal is a wealth tax. People who have 51 million dollars net worth would pay 20,000 dollars more a year in taxes than they do now. If they have more than 51 million the tax would be higher accordingly. (2% tax on 50 million plus net worth). 

All I asked you is if you agree with the proposed tax. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.13  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.9    4 weeks ago
I will not discuss my political views with you. It only leads to fighting. 

Oh …. go ahead ! After all, we're supposed to be able to "Speak Our minds" here ! jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.14  It Is ME  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.10    4 weeks ago
I want a PotUS who will lead the nation towards being the number one producer of energy technology and, possibly, energy itself.   One who will secure our borders (sensibly), push towards fiscal responsibility, get the government out of the business of social legislation, lead to the adoption of a sensible health-care solution with federalized (decentralized) regulation, economies of scale and ultimately competitive private sector providers.   (Among other things.)

Sounds like your a Trump Fan ! jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.15  author  JohnRussell  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @2.1.11    4 weeks ago
I'll author my manifesto if John wants it.

You have told everyone you are a libertarian/anarchist.  I have seen such manifestos more than enough. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.1.16  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.10    4 weeks ago
I want a PotUS who is not an embarrassment for our nation.

Right now I think the majority of Americans have that as their number one item....the rest will follow.

p.s.  what is social legislation?

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.17  It Is ME  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.16    4 weeks ago
Right now I think the majority of Americans have that as their number one item

What is that actual number count on this ….. MAJORITY ? jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1.18  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.12    4 weeks ago

You seem to be badgering Perrie, who kindly allows you post here.

And would such a tax accomplish? Won't yield very much additional revenue.

 
 
 
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2.1.19  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.15    4 weeks ago

Can we still be homies?

 
 
 
TᵢG
2.1.20  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.16    4 weeks ago
what is social legislation?

Government involvement in social factors.   Basically people should be free to do as they please as long as they do not do harm.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.1.21  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.20    4 weeks ago

I agree with that. And please forgive my ignorance/stupidity but what do you mean when you say social factors?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.22  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.10    4 weeks ago
So downplaying to what is possible, I want a PotUS who is not an embarrassment for our nation.

Well put, Tig!

 
 
 
TᵢG
2.1.23  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.21    4 weeks ago

Social factors are things like abortion, marriage, sexual identity, religion, healthcare choices, etc.   Matters that are best left to the individual and not to bureaucrats.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.24  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.12    4 weeks ago

John, I am not answering you. I have in the past and we just don't agree. You don't get independents at all. You've even called me a Trumper and a libertarian and I don't need to be labeled. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.25  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.13    4 weeks ago

True.. but it does seem that I am held to a different standard. Some things are better left unsaid. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.1.26  Jack_TX  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.1    4 weeks ago
I'm not for Bernie.  Never was.  Never will be. 

We have found a rare point of agreement.  I suspect we also share a dislike for the current president, although on vastly different scales.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.1.27  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.23    4 weeks ago

Got it. Not every one agrees on the definition of "social" that's why I asked.

I like your list.

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.28  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.25    4 weeks ago
Some things are better left unsaid. 

If you do that...."Interpretation" comes into play. Seems that "IS"... and "HAS BEEN" a huge issue since Jan. 2017.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.29  Tessylo  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.26    4 weeks ago
'I'm not for Bernie.  Never was.  Never will be.' 

'We have found a rare point of agreement.  I suspect we also share a dislike for the current president, although on vastly different scales.'

Nice to find common ground.  I think we can build on that.  .   .   

 
 
 
livefreeordie
2.1.30  livefreeordie  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.10    4 weeks ago

Difficult. I found Obama to be very embarrassing to our nation.  nothing to do with the color of his skin and everything to do with his ideology

 
 
 
Ender
2.1.31  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.12    4 weeks ago

I actually like Warren and some of her ideas.

My problem with her is she would never win the national vote.

 
 
 
CB
2.1.32  CB   replied to  TᵢG @2.1.10    4 weeks ago

I will give you a vote for your resting 'conclusion' there. Because all that came before was the 'best of all worlds' and boy oh boy, I can't see it to believe it!

Pop that stuff into the Presto-matic and presto-chango out would pop a real-life hunk: 6305642-9073880344-57903.jpgOf course, you realized it - after all you are TIG! (Smile.)

 
 
 
CB
2.1.33  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @2.1.30    4 weeks ago

You don't want to get cross with me on Obama; so I can appreciate your took skin color off the table. That said, what part of saving the U.S. economy for your 'guy' to come plant a flag in are downcasted over? Moreover, 'repression-less' homosexuals, lesbians, and queer-life, happier women freed up and in Congress got you down?  My brother, just how much longer do you wish your way of life and happiness to be everybody's? 

You've got to let other people breathe the legal-side of freedoms you enjoy for you and yours. I assume you can be happy, if other people who do not want all you want out of life are happy too? 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
2.1.34  livefreeordie  replied to  CB @2.1.33    4 weeks ago

my issues with Obama were on the following (just to cite a few)

1. He was a lifelong marxist, groomed from childhood by his communist relatives and then his admitted mentor Frank Marshall Davis who was a leader in the Communist party. he plotted a marxist revolution while at Occidental College.  Was then paired with families of communists in Chicago.  Worked with Saul Alinsky and then was elected to the Illinois State Senate as a Socialist member of the New Party

2.  He loves Islamic Jihadists and despises Christianity

3.  He openly called for a fundamental transformation of our nation to his marxist, Godless dream

4.  His foreign policy including his hatred of Israel was despicable.

5. His love of big government and higher taxes 

6.  Nationalizing the Student loan program (more communism)

7.  Federal takeover of GM

8. His stand on moral issues of abortion and homosexual behavior

I could go on

I have not advocated for any American to have fewer freedoms. In fact I call for far more freedoms than any Democrat or other leftists.  If you are insinuating about marriage, I've stated before I don't believe there is a "right" to marry and that Government should have no part in marriage or divorce.

 
 
 
TᵢG
2.1.35  TᵢG  replied to  livefreeordie @2.1.30    4 weeks ago
I found Obama to be very embarrassing to our nation. 

He will not be running in 2020.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.1.36  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.12    4 weeks ago
Her most left proposal is a wealth tax.

What's her stance on single payer healthcare?

 
 
 
CB
2.1.37  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @2.1.34    4 weeks ago

Your offenses against Obama are not offensive. You seem to have a need for uniformity and conformity in your worldview that this life can not oblige you. I will only touch on one thing you wrote directly, government has chosen to have a role in marriage and many good godly folks seemed to indulge themselves in it "drama" to the fullest; until, those 'others' came in. Well LOFD, rules are for everybody and the government finally 'got wise' to the people it was leaving out of the rules.

I feel sorry that you have an issue with homosexuals, real sorry, because homosexuals don't, truly, have a problem with you!

Why do you want control over other people and their legal conduct?

 
 
 
TᵢG
2.1.38  TᵢG  replied to  CB @2.1.37    4 weeks ago
I feel sorry that you have an issue with homosexuals, real sorry, because homosexuals don't, truly, have a problem with you!

I wonder if LFOD personally finds homosexuals to be immoral, etc. or if he is simply speaking for God (as he understands God per the Bible).   

 
 
 
epistte
2.1.39  epistte  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.6    4 weeks ago
Bernie seems to be doing his own oppo research.  His comment about letting people in jail vote without any further distinction (i.e., those convicted of murder vs. those in for non-violent crimes--something, anyway) was about as bone-headed as it gets.   But if he's too left for you, wouldn't Warren be as well? 

People in prison already vote in Vermont and Maine.

 Should we also limit of free speech of groups such as NAMBLA, Fred Phelps, the Klan, or Neo-Nazis or do we support voting rights for people like we do not agree with, just as we defend the freedom speech and religious rights of people who we also do not agree with?

 This is what separates constitutional rights from privileges that can be taken away or denied to certain people. I thought that we as a country understood and embraced equal rights for all, but it very obvious that we do not.

 
 
 
CB
2.1.40  CB   replied to  livefreeordie @2.1.34    4 weeks ago
I don't believe there is a "right" to marry and that Government should have no part in marriage or divorce.

Here is a portion where your logic breaks down. Government is the authority in the United States through its authorized representatives, cabinets, judges, and administration.

What some are really doing is pushing aside what is right and could even be considered wholesome for homosexuals under our system of laws, while selfishly claiming the name of marriage and its prestige for heterosexuals alone (no matter how rotten two people can be to each other).

LFOD you do not have to believe in a right to marry for homosexuals; simply put what is required of you is to let it be. Let it pass over you without effect. It can give you greater peace per the 'promise' of peace.

 
 
 
CB
2.1.41  CB   replied to  TᵢG @2.1.38    4 weeks ago

You will have to ask LFOD, personally, Tig. I really have no way of knowing how that question drills down.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.1.42  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @2.1.33    4 weeks ago

Did you know it's Hug a Friend Day?

here's a hug

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Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.43  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.7    4 weeks ago
I think a move towards the center is what most of the swing voters want. 

That's where Dems went in 2016 and, well........

Sure, there were a lot of external factors (Comey, Russians) working against Clinton but she wasn't really a very effective candidate.  It's hard to try to stay smack in the middle and generate enthusiasm needed to get people out to vote.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.44  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  epistte @2.1.39    4 weeks ago
People in prison already vote in Vermont and Maine.

Everyone in prison--even convicted murders?  I'd have no problem with non-violent offenders retaining their franchise but that's would be a bridge too far. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.45  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.9    4 weeks ago
I will not discuss my political views with you

You sort of opened that door with your views about Bernie, didn't you?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.46  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  CB @2.1.37    4 weeks ago
Why do you want control over other people and their legal conduct?

LFOD seems to be unaware that marriage is basically a legal contract whether it's performed  as a religious or civil ceremony.  So much of his commenting seems to be based on lack of understanding of, well, everything.  

 
 
 
CB
2.1.47  CB   replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.46    4 weeks ago

Hi Atheist. What I read from LFOD is ideological purity. He insist on limited federal government involvement in the mode of this country's operation. He is impervious to large-scale federal policies which congresses legislate into law. He is a respecter of constitutional amendments—that which is nearly impossible to come by. Moreover, were this country to wait for certain sectors of our society to budge on major change ideas, those people would have see themselves frozen over first!

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.48  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.20    3 weeks ago
Basically people should be free to do as they please as long as they do not do harm.

Well, there's the rub.....we need laws, regulations and honest people to implement to prevent that harm.  It can't just be left for everyone to decide for him or her self. 

 
 
 
JBB
2.1.49  JBB  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.48    3 weeks ago

If men were angels we wouldn't need governance. Men are not angels...

 
 
 
TᵢG
2.1.50  TᵢG  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.48    3 weeks ago
TiG @2.1.20 - Basically people should be free to do as they please as long as they do not do harm.

The phrase "as long as they do not do harm" is where law, regulations and honesty come into play.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  evilgenius @2    4 weeks ago

Good question EG. It's time that people grow up and realize that we need someone who will move this country towards unity. 

 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
2.2.1  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2    4 weeks ago

We ought to look for someone new then. Someone who has not been party to the political establishment's historical failure. Someone who hasn't supported the draconian laws that are so unpopular with the electorate such as the anti-drug abuse act and the comprehensive crime act.

Let's be honest about Joe, he's been all over the map ideologically because he is a politician. The Obama campaign chose him because he was the token white male they thought they needed to get into the white house. They kept a sock in his mouth because like trump he's a bumbling Idiot.

He represents everything this country needs to move away from. Spare me the but Trump, Trump is here because democrats chose a horrible candidate like they are leaning towards in 2020.

 
 
 
evilgenius
2.2.3  evilgenius  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @2.2.1    4 weeks ago

Joe will play it off as saying his opinions have "evolved". Some will buy it and some won't. I hope it doesn't, but if it comes down to Trump vs Biden you can bet I'll vote Biden.

 
 
 
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2.2.4  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  evilgenius @2.2.3    4 weeks ago

I waiting for Jill Stein to enter, I mean she's got a band man. People got the Power!

 
 
 
evilgenius
2.2.5  evilgenius  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @2.2.4    4 weeks ago
I waiting for Jill Stein to enter...

Talk about your looneys! I may not be a single issue voter, but anyone that calls themselves a Dr and pushes anti-vax BS is an automatic NO for me. Hahahaha!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @2.2.1    4 weeks ago

Look let's get real. 

There is not a newcomer around (other than maybe Bloomberg), who would be qualified to run for president. And there is no way, no how I am voting for Trump. 

Biden is not perfect. And when anyone has 40 years of politics behind them, they are going to change positions. Heck, I have changed my own.

Let's be honest about Joe, he's been all over the map ideologically because he is a politician.

Sorry to inform you, but Trump is all over the map, weekly, if not daily. And while Joe does shoot from the lip, you can not compare any of his gaffs to Trump's daily tweetfest including really bad spelling. 

He represents everything this country needs to move away from.

There is some truth to that. People are looking for less business as usual. But he also represents moving back towards the center, and I am sick of the extremism going on in this country. He is not perfect, but he is what we need now.

 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
2.2.7  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.6    4 weeks ago
Look let's get real. 

Ok, time to dump both parties in favor of one that isn't corrupt.

 
 
 
evilgenius
2.2.8  evilgenius  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @2.2.7    4 weeks ago
Ok, time to dump both parties in favor of one that isn't corrupt.

Have you ever studied history, anthropology or psychology? Unless mankind goes through some serious radical alteration business, religion and politics will always bring attract corruption. It's almost has to be a universal law of chaos within any system. 

 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
2.2.9  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  evilgenius @2.2.8    4 weeks ago

Actually i have, one of those was my major and I am in fact a supporter of a radical reversal in the course of this nation.

 
 
 
evilgenius
2.2.10  evilgenius  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.6    4 weeks ago
He is not perfect, but he is what we need now.

There are other Centrists in the Primary race other than Biden:

Klobuchar,
Buttigig,
Delaney,
Harris is pretty Centrist, but is running on Progressive ideas.
I think Inslee may be Centrist though he's running on Climate Change,
Hickenlooper,
Gillibrand,
Messam,
Tim Ryan,
Swalwell, but his record reads more Center Right than Center Left

Now, I know most of these people don't have Biden name recognition. I'm still looking at Klobuchar, Buttigig and Gillibrand as uniting top running Centrist Democrats.

 
 
 
evilgenius
2.2.11  evilgenius  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @2.2.9    4 weeks ago
Actually i have, one of those was my major...

How can you ever thing Libertariansism would ever work let alone a

...radical reversal in the course of this nation.

Please, we still have people running around claiming the, "South will rise again!". I don't think a radical reversal can ever happen when you involve whole societies unless they are forced by catastrophic events.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.2.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.6    4 weeks ago
but Trump is all over the map, weekly, if not daily

And some days it's hourly

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.2.13  Greg Jones  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.6    4 weeks ago

Trump is not extreme, he's a centrist populist. Just about everything he proposes makes common sense. What parts of his agenda/programs are you in disagreement about?

I'm an old guy who's lived through several presidents starting with Eisenhower. I only lean to the right, and voted for JFK. Sadly, JFK would be mocked and scorned by today's Democrats. The progressive far left wing liberals of today scare the hell out of me.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @2.2.7    4 weeks ago
Ok, time to dump both parties in favor of one that isn't corrupt.

If only.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.2.15  Jack_TX  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.6    4 weeks ago
There is some truth to that. People are looking for less business as usual.

Sure.  But not off-the-deep-end batshit socialist nonsense.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
2.2.16  livefreeordie  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2    4 weeks ago

We are decades removed from any chance of unity in this country.  Our political divide is beyond repair.  There is very little in the way of issues in which compromise is possible. And culturally we are very much two countries

 
 
 
Ender
2.2.17  Ender  replied to  livefreeordie @2.2.16    4 weeks ago

I think there is a lot that could be compromised on. Some politicians (and others) like to push divisive issues that drive a wedge.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.18  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  evilgenius @2.2.10    4 weeks ago

I like Pete, but I don't think he can win, which is what I'm also looking at. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.19  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.12    4 weeks ago
And some days it's hourly

Scarly true.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.20  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.13    4 weeks ago

Greg,

My issues with Trump is that he's been proven to be a national embarrassment. He still thinks he's doing reality TV. I kept my mouth shut about him for a long time, but it got to a point that I can't ignore him anymore.

Look, I agree that the progressive movement of the Dems is way out there, but I feel the same way about the conservative part of the Republican party. You say that the Dems would not elect JFK, but the Repubs would not elect Regan either. That is the biggest problem. We are so polarized. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.21  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jack_TX @2.2.15    4 weeks ago
Sure.  But not off-the-deep-end batshit socialist nonsense.

I don't want that either. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.2.22  Jack_TX  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.21    4 weeks ago
I don't want that either. 

Which is why I'm relieved that Biden has finally entered the race.  Between Biden, Beto and Buttigieg, they have some sanity appearing in the race.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.2.23  Jack_TX  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.20    4 weeks ago
Look, I agree that the progressive movement of the Dems is way out there, but I feel the same way about the conservative part of the Republican party.

You are not wrong.

You say that the Dems would not elect JFK, but the Repubs would not elect Regan either.

You are not wrong.  Again.

That is the biggest problem. We are so polarized. 

IMO, the polarization is a symptom of the larger problem.... we're stupid.

 
 
 
CB
2.2.24  CB   replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @2.2.1    4 weeks ago

President Obama chose Joe because he was the right candidate for the 2008 election cycle. It was evidenced by a repeat (validation- "no blip") victory in 2012. Please cut the propaganda talk! And I won't drop it into the 'water' that you are only 'flashing' all these beautiful colors simply to hide the fact that you have 'scales' fish! I got one word for you: AQUAMAN!

Vice-President Biden served; and the capacity is to assume the office of president if need be; attend "chicken-pot" dinners appearances as a plus! Something even VP Pence is "accused" of doing even now!

 
 
 
livefreeordie
2.2.25  livefreeordie  replied to  Ender @2.2.17    4 weeks ago

name issues open to compromise

 
 
 
Ender
2.2.26  Ender  replied to  livefreeordie @2.2.25    4 weeks ago

Infrastructure.

 
 
 
CB
2.2.27  CB   replied to  evilgenius @2.2.3    4 weeks ago

Opinions do evolve. I am living proof of it.  And so is American politics and American television. There is "queer life" running for the U.S. presidency against heterosexual women and men: Who (with power and influence) would have agreed to that prior to President Obama "evolving" on homosexual marriage?

Let's not pretend that politicians are aliens masquerading as humanity. We know these people - give 'em a fair break! And if we find we can't be fair to 'em - give ''em the break you would give yourselves were you in their jobs!

"The Donald" can't cut himself enough slack - he wants it all and then som' more!

 
 
 
CB
2.2.28  CB   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.6    4 weeks ago

Barack Obama 'mentored,' and I put that in quotes only because Barack was the president, Joe Biden for eight 'well-mannered' years. Moreover, for my part, I do find that all the liberals I hear today are moving me away from the status quo to something that is well, noisy and which I have not seen before. Such as, "free college for all" and those on whom such cost should fall on. It is hard to figure out and factor the math these politicians are using. So I loosely listen and wait to see if any of it catches fire, because ultimately these costs would need to work in future society. All the while, lifting people up and bringing down deficits/debts.

I do understand conservatives austerity and its "robotic" activities which would pull money out of the federal government in order to give it to the folks who earn it to keep it; but, that attitude towards this country's wealth did not (could not?) work during the Great Depression era. And the irony here for us today is its conservatives who have unrelentingly striven to keep a new permanent and stable 'floor' for wages for rank and file working folks from stabilizing.  That is, conservatives have been fighting the system to get back to the iron law of wages for nearly a decade or more.

So the ever elusive "perfect politician" won't be found in this upcoming season either. I agree with you. But, this asinine 'hype' man president currently is dangerous in his season of learning, he will not get any sweeter on the vine in five more years.

 
 
 
CB
2.2.29  CB   replied to  evilgenius @2.2.8    4 weeks ago

The 'thing' politics needs a shift in how it operates and thinks if itself. The 'schisms' within the systems have settled on adversity as the way forward! Some of the leaders want to  permanently subordinate the other party. The 'shift' that is needed here is to a gear where disharmony is replaced with harmony of two-party single-mindedness. The way "up" is to build the tower in unison, not through great strife!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.30  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jack_TX @2.2.23    4 weeks ago
IMO, the polarization is a symptom of the larger problem.... we're stupid.

LMAO, can't argue with you there. It's called cutting off your nose to spite your face. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.31  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jack_TX @2.2.22    4 weeks ago
Which is why I'm relieved that Biden has finally entered the race.  Between Biden, Beto and Buttigieg, they have some sanity appearing in the race.

Have to agree with you there. See, it can be refreshing to agree :)

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.2.32  Jack_TX  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.31    4 weeks ago

You and I agree frequently.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.2.33  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  evilgenius @2.2.5    3 weeks ago

And showing up as a guest of Putin in Moscow at that "awards" banquet where Flynn was "honored" as a Friend of Russia was just another example of what a moron she is.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.2.34  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  CB @2.2.28    3 weeks ago
Such as, "free college for all" and those on whom such cost should fall on. It is hard to figure out and factor the math these politicians are using.

In a country that can justify spending scores of billions of dollars to build walls (or one warship) there's more than enough money to be found to take the life-time financial burden off middle and lower economic class students completing their educational goals as far as they can.  Same goes for plans to provide medical coverage for everyone.  This absurd idea that we just can't afford "nice things" is a lie of massive dimensions. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.2.35  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.6    3 weeks ago
There is not a newcomer around (other than maybe Bloomberg), who would be qualified to run for president.

That's what many people said about Obama but they were completely wrong.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.2.36  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  livefreeordie @2.2.25    3 weeks ago
name issues open to compromise

You, first. 

 
 
 
CB
2.2.37  CB   replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.2.34    3 weeks ago

I can give a vote up for this. Because I can't fully see how it can work out over the lifetime of this nation, does not make it not possible.

It is just that, my mind 'swims' with the math involved, Atheist! Imagine that happening to me! (Smile.) On this, it does. So I take a stand off and watch and see approach!

 
 
 
livefreeordie
2.2.38  livefreeordie  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.2.34    3 weeks ago

Defense of the nation including our borders are required by the Constitution. There is no Federal Authority regarding education or healthcare. The Constitution leaves such issues to the states and the people to work out

 
 
 
It Is ME
3  It Is ME    4 weeks ago

"Even if Biden fails to get the nomination"

Seems someone doesn't have much "Confidence" in "Creepy Joe" ! jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

"Creepy plagiarizing Joe" isn't someone Don has to worry about. After all, Don already went up against the most powerful Person on the Democrat Lefts Planet …… and Beat HER !

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @3    4 weeks ago

The irony of calling Biden, "Creepy Joe" when Trump is a pussy grabbing, wife cheater. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1    4 weeks ago

Haven't seen the Pics of Trump grabbing pussy !

Got any ?

Plenty of Pics showing "Old Creepy" GRABBING though !

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.1    4 weeks ago
Haven't seen the Pics of Trump grabbing pussy !

You mean you don't take his words for it?  

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.2    4 weeks ago
You mean you don't take his words for it?  

Do you ?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.4  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.3    4 weeks ago
Do you ?

So you're telling us that you accept that he's a pathological liar, then. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.5  It Is ME  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.4    4 weeks ago
So you're telling us that you accept that he's a pathological liar, then. 

I did ? jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.1    4 weeks ago
Haven't seen the Pics of Trump grabbing pussy ! Got any ?

No, but I have an audio track of Trump:

Yup there is the POTUS, talking about grabbing pussy and having sex with a married women. 

And no one has claimed that Biden grabbed. But nice try.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.7  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.6    4 weeks ago
No, but I have an audio track of Trump:

My "Friends" used to Boast about stuff Too !

Weird thing though, they NEVER could produce any "Picture' evidence. 

hmmmmm…… I wonder. jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.1.8  Greg Jones  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1    4 weeks ago

That's just guy talk. Supposed to be private conversation. Bill Clinton was accused of sexual harassment by several women and of rape by at least two of them. Why was Paula Jones paid off? But no one on the left seems to care about Bubba's sorry history.

 
 
 
Veronica
3.1.9  Veronica  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.8    4 weeks ago
That's just guy talk.

Maybe the way that "guy talk" is accepted should change.  Would you like it if it was said about a female family member of yours or a female friend?  If you do not denounce it - you condone it.  That is why I denounced Bill Clinton when all that shit came out.  Too bad more on your side don't have the same morals I do.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.7    4 weeks ago
  • "I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn't get there, and she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she's now got the big phony tits and everything." (It's not clear who Trump was talking about.)
  • "I'm automatically attracted to beautiful [women]—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything"

When he was talking about the big phony tits - I think he was talking about ivanka.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.8    4 weeks ago

JFC WTF does Bill Clinton have to do with this?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
3.1.12  Jack_TX  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1    4 weeks ago
The irony of calling Biden, "Creepy Joe" when Trump is a pussy grabbing, wife cheater. 

Yes and no.  Joe has to get liberal anti-masculinity votes for the nomination.  Trump doesn't.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.13  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jack_TX @3.1.12    4 weeks ago
Joe has to get liberal anti-masculinity votes for the nomination. 

Come on Jack, you can do better than that. He's already in the lead. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.14  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.10    4 weeks ago

Pictures are worth more than any words ! 

Ssssssnnnniiiiiffffff ! aaaahhhhh….wonderful!

320

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.14    4 weeks ago

I don't know why but that made me chuckle.  

He was just reassuring her and I don't think he was sniffing her hair.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.16  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.15    4 weeks ago
I don't think he was sniffing her hair.  

Only His "Nose" knows.   jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif

That's just friggin creepy. He's not even close to her ear. jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.16    4 weeks ago

I disagree but to each their own.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.18  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.17    4 weeks ago

Can I get close to you like that ?

I hear they call it ……. "MAGICAL" ! jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.19  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.18    4 weeks ago

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.20  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.19    4 weeks ago

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.21  Split Personality  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.14    4 weeks ago

Maybe Joe was just feeling paternal instincts .....

512

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.22  It Is ME  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.21    4 weeks ago

Now, Now..... I have pics. of me and my wife kissing the backs of my own kids and Grandkids too !

"Creepy Joe" goes for strangers !

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.23  Split Personality  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.22    4 weeks ago

Not strangers, acquaintances. 

Often with Mrs. Biden a few feet away.

No doubt, some will make it an issue.

 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
3.1.24  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  Jack_TX @3.1.12    4 weeks ago
Joe has to get liberal anti-masculinity votes for the nomination

He's going to have to squeeze into some skinny jeans, wear a crotch hat, carry a man bag, denounce his white male privileged while declaring that he has always been non-binary.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.25  It Is ME  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.23    4 weeks ago
Not strangers, acquaintances.

It's much easier when you KNOW ….. the Neighbor next door. jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
KDMichigan
3.1.26  KDMichigan  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.6    4 weeks ago
No, but I have an audio track of Trump:

How about the written text of what he said. You have pushed this false narrative before. President Trump never said he grabbed women by the pussy..

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.27  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.22    4 weeks ago

Creepy Trump goes for strangers pussies and then has sex with them even though he is married, but you are OK with that for some reason. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.28  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @3.1.26    4 weeks ago

LMAO,

It's there on audio. But again, just for you with transcript included:

 
 
 
livefreeordie
3.1.29  livefreeordie  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.2    4 weeks ago

Nope. It's just reflective of his lying and bragging about things he's never done.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.30  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.8    4 weeks ago

Greg,

You are kidding about Clinton, right? I mean 4 years of Whitewater and impeachment and you think he got off light?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
3.1.31  Jack_TX  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.13    4 weeks ago
Come on Jack, you can do better than that. He's already in the lead. 

The point is that the people he needs to vote for him care about different things than the people Trump needs.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.1.32  Greg Jones  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.14    4 weeks ago

She looks sooo uncomfortable!

Shows what a creep he is.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.33  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jack_TX @3.1.12    4 weeks ago
Yes and no.  Joe has to get liberal anti-masculinity votes for the nomination.  Trump doesn't.

I don't buy that. I think that we shouldn't have two standards. And honestly, I was glad that Biden didn't apologize but took into consideration that he grew up in a different time with different mores, so to speak. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
3.1.34  Jack_TX  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.33    4 weeks ago
I don't buy that. I think that we shouldn't have two standards.

We shouldn't.  But as you've already stated...we are very polarized as a nation.

And honestly, I was glad that Biden didn't apologize but took into consideration that he grew up in a different time with different mores, so to speak. 

I LOVE the fact that he didn't apologize.  He needs to be strong, and he can't do that apologizing for everything the tiny whiny 2% extreme end of the party gets their knickers in a twist over.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.35  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.14    4 weeks ago

Oh so sorry, but you might want to read this:

Wife of ex-Defense secretary defends Biden, says viral photo of them used 'misleadingly'

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/04/01/stephanie-carter-defends-joe-biden/3329501002/

Seems she was not upset at all. So nice of you to speak for her. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.36  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.21    4 weeks ago

I think that is what is called foreplay there in that photo SP.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.37  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.35    4 weeks ago

You can post that a gazillion times Perrie and some will still say that's not the case.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.38  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.29    4 weeks ago
'Nope. It's just reflective of his lying and bragging about things he's never done.'

Wait, WHAT?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.39  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.32    4 weeks ago
Shows what a creep he is.

Only if you pretend your Scumbag doesn't exist.  You must not realize just how ridiculous  you come off with that comment.  Or do you realize it and just not care? 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.40  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.33    4 weeks ago
I was glad that Biden didn't apologize but took into consideration that he grew up in a different time with different mores, so to speak. 

I'm not very far behind Biden in the actuarial table but  Biden's "handsiness" has always been on the edge of being creepy to me.  Not even close to what Scumbag has done and bragged about doing but still, it's not a great "look."

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.41  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Jack_TX @3.1.12    4 weeks ago
Joe has to get liberal anti-masculinity votes for the nomination.

Thanks for reminding us of how warped the rightwing's idea of "masculinity" is.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.42  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.21    4 weeks ago

384

That's  soooo "masculine," amiright, Dads?  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.43  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.16    4 weeks ago
That's just friggin creepy. He's not even close to her ear.

This from someone who thinks a  pussy-grabber is the role model of "masculinity." 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.44  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.11    4 weeks ago
JFC WTF does Bill Clinton have to do with this?

Dogwhistles are always handy, Tessy.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
3.1.45  Jack_TX  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.41    4 weeks ago
Thanks for reminding us of how warped the rightwing's idea of "masculinity" is.

Thank you for illustrating my point.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.46  It Is ME  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.43    4 weeks ago
This from someone who thinks a  pussy-grabber is the role model of "masculinity." 

Where....where....where ? jrSmiley_30_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.47  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.27    4 weeks ago
Creepy Trump goes for strangers pussies and then has sex with them even though he is married, but you are OK with that for some reason. 

Still waitin' for the Pics to come out. With all the "Leakers" since Jan. 2017, ya woulda thought there would be some.....PICS..... by now, especially from the "Claimants"  !

It's a good thing they didn't use Allred for their "Representative. She walks away from ALL her clients when Glory get's …. or doesn't GET....what SHE was looking for! Avanatti was better. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.48  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.35    4 weeks ago

I'll go with what "Lucy" says in the article, over some guy that was too busy at a podium trying to make himself look good, and not able to see what was going on between his wife and "Creepy Joe" next to him !

You know "Guys" ! They only have "Blinders" when it comes to themselves. jrSmiley_19_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.49  It Is ME  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.32    4 weeks ago
She looks sooo uncomfortable!

but her husband said it was AOK !

Maybe he's just another one of those Voyeurs ?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.50  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.29    4 weeks ago
Nope. It's just reflective of his lying and bragging about things he's never done.

So, you've decided to go with  him being a pathological liar and you're fine with that?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
3.1.51  KDMichigan  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.28    3 weeks ago

And you still hear what you want to hear. I am in no denial that Trump is a man whore.

"when you are famous you can do anything you want." "Grab them by the pussy."

Trump never said he grabbed anyone's pussy, he said he kisses them.

And he is right, when you are famous you can do anything you want, fake a hate crime? Harvey Weinstein. Most of them women willingly put out to score that big roll that would make them a star.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.52  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.5    3 weeks ago
I did ?

Yup.  You sure did. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.53  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  KDMichigan @3.1.51    3 weeks ago
Trump never said he grabbed anyone's pussy,

And you obviously decided not to hear what's on that tape.  Selective deafness.  People who keep giving this bloated Scumbag a pass are almost worse than the Scumbag himself.  This is how that Scumbag has screwed so many people in all sorts of ways--literally and financially just to name the most obvious. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
3.1.54  KDMichigan  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.53    3 weeks ago

And I can say the same thing. When you are famous you can do anything. Whip your dick out and stick it in a womans face. Grab them by the pussy. Throw them on the ground and tea bag their forehead. Bend their mothers over and give it to them hard....

Gee so now in liberal snowflake land I guess I have done all of these things....SMH

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.55  It Is ME  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.52    3 weeks ago

Where ?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.56  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.7    3 weeks ago
My "Friends" used to Boast about stuff Too !

And did any of them get to be president despite (or was it because of)  it? 

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.57  It Is ME  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.56    3 weeks ago
And did any of them get to be president despite

Trump is President. jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
DRHunk
3.1.58  DRHunk  replied to  KDMichigan @3.1.54    3 weeks ago

If you were famous and said that then yes we could assume you have done or been in proximity of those things and are speaking from experience, either witnessed or performed by yourself, otherwise what is the point of saying it? And since Trump never denied it, it only continues to affirm he in fact did do such a thing and did not just witness it.

Since you are not famous we cannot assume you did those things because you have no first hand knowledge of what it is like to be famous in the first place.

 
 
 
CB
3.1.59  CB   replied to  KDMichigan @3.1.54    3 weeks ago

Wow! When you are famous you can do only so much, because you are famous and 'fans' always know where to come find you when you do too much! So your statement falls short. What you are describing are 'sycophants' and "super-fans" who let people abuse them without consequences. But, if any famous person, tried to 'bend my mother over and give her anything hard' KAPOW JERK! He will be nursing that bruise and erection dysfunction he has the morning after. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
3.1.60  KDMichigan  replied to  DRHunk @3.1.58    3 weeks ago
we could assume you have done or been in proximity of those things

Bahahahaha thanks for the laugh.

Who says I'm not famous?

It's amazing the lengths people go to so they can spew there faux talking points.

 
 
 
DRHunk
3.1.61  DRHunk  replied to  KDMichigan @3.1.60    3 weeks ago

since your pseudo identity KDMichigan is barely known to those you posed the question to (people on this site) and unknown to a majority of the world then, by definition you are not famous. It is amazing the lengths people go to so they can spew there faux talking points, isn't it?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4  author  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

Biden is a little too corporate for the current trend of the Democratic Party, but we may have to put progressiveness on hold long enough to make sure we get our national idiot child out of the White House in 2020. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @4    4 weeks ago

Not a chance in hell John, and we all know it. The hard left is in complete control of the pathetic remnants of the once proud Democrat party. Pelosi and Schumer and folks like Biden are being shoved aside to make room for the new hate filled and anti-Semitic Muslim ladies, and airheads like AOC.

Maybe the lefts luck will improve in 2024.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    4 weeks ago
Pelosi and Schumer and folks like Biden are being shoved aside

The way the tea party shoved aside Romney in 2012? 

The nominee will not be a so called "socialist". 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    4 weeks ago
The nominee will not be a so called "socialist".

Who will they nominate then?  They're all tripping over themselves to proudly wear that label.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    4 weeks ago
The way the tea party shoved aside Romney in 2012? 

Romney was a Republican In Name Only (RINO) just like McCain.  They didn't lose to another, they lost to themselves and others took advantage of it.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.1.4  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.3    4 weeks ago
Romney was a Republican In Name Only (RINO) just like McCain. 

That seems to describe every republican who's not a complete fascist (see: Scumbag, D.J--or as we may now refer to as Deranged Donnie thanks to George Conway).

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @4.1.4    4 weeks ago

Agreed.

I hate those terms RINO and DINO. It means that they are willing to negotiate with the other party. Gee, think of that. Maybe getting something done.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.5    4 weeks ago

It's like one must agree with everything your party stands for. I know I don't.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.1.7  Greg Jones  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.6    4 weeks ago

When the chips are down,  party trumps person, or elections will be lost. Republicans are slow learners when it comes to that simple truth.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.1.8  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    4 weeks ago
Maybe the lefts luck will improve in 2024.

Wow, that sounds pretty definite.  You're predicting a Scumbag win, are you?  No possible other outcome? Are you sure?  Seems like that's what you accused Clinton supporters of claiming.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.1.9  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.7    3 weeks ago
Republicans are slow learners when it comes to that simple truth.

Oh, I wouldn't sell them short.  They've mastered the art of choosing their voters very well. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JohnRussell @4    4 weeks ago
Biden is a little too corporate for the current trend of the Democratic Party,

Keep that up and we will have Trump for another 4 years. 

 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
4.2.1  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2    4 weeks ago

I really do believe Bernie represents most Democrats I know these days. I'm glad their representation has caught up with their desire to flirt with Karl Marx even though i vehemently disagree with it.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @4.2.1    4 weeks ago

I know a lot of dems who would disagree with you. But let's see if we can find a poll (because we all know how reliable those are, LOL)

 
 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.2.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @4.2.3    4 weeks ago

Oh we do not!!!!

Jeebus, BF!

 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
4.2.5  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.4    4 weeks ago

You do not....

I'm with you, Freedom Fish loves Capitalism. It's provided more wealth to more people than any other economic system in the history of the world. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.2.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.4    4 weeks ago

Funny BF, that is not what the Pew says:

384

 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
4.2.7  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2.6    4 weeks ago

Holy bandwidth batwoman, your poll is not addressing socialism.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.2.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @4.2.7    4 weeks ago

I'm sorry, but more moderate means not socialism in my books. Let's not play semantics. 

 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
4.2.9  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2.8    4 weeks ago

Google Yoda disagrees. Not all questions are related. Apples to Kiwis.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.2.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @4.2.7    4 weeks ago

More liberal does not mean more socialistic.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.2.11  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @4.2.9    4 weeks ago

I'll take the Pew over google. 

 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
4.2.12  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.10    4 weeks ago

Exactly, that's why i linked polling that addresses views of socialism and capitalism.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.2.13  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.10    4 weeks ago
More liberal does not mean more socialistic.

Exactly.

 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
4.2.14  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2.11    4 weeks ago

Are you denying that you googled the pew, as my polls were googled too but come from reliable polling also.

It's the question that matters in polling, We both obviously googled.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.2.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @4.2.5    4 weeks ago

I'm all for capitalism but in some respects it has to be restrained and toned down with some socialism like roads, public schools, and public utilities. Access to affordable health care would be great.

We have to have regulations, sorry, Mr Libertarian.

 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
4.2.16  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.15    4 weeks ago

Poll numero tres translated to number three for those singularlinguals....

https://news.gallup.com/poll/240725/democrats-positive-socialism-capitalism.aspx

Put the dollar in my g-string ladies.....

196

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.2.17  Trout Giggles  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @4.2.16    4 weeks ago

Let's think about why that might be so.

Prices are skyrocketing but wages have pretty much remained stagnant. I started this job 22 years ago and probably only make about 8,000 dollars more than I did when I first started. The gap between the poor and uber-wealthy is increasing more each day and the middle class is being wiped out.

ps I gave you a vote up simply for the dancing shark

 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
4.2.18  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.17    4 weeks ago

Fair enough.....

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.2.19  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @4.2.16    4 weeks ago

OK that makes two polls from the Gallup ( the same one actually) and one from 

Who is described as: Public Opinion Strategies (POS) describes itself as a "Republican polling firm". [1] It has offices in Virginia, Colorado and California.

Gee, I wonder what their agenda is. Got to love that their initials are POS. LMAO!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.2.20  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.17    4 weeks ago
ps I gave you a vote up simply for the dancing shark

LMAO!

 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
4.2.21  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2.19    4 weeks ago

Do you need more polls, I have Reuters, Harvard Harris and others but i feel it's time to move on plus i am now bored with the topic and thinking about Sushi.

Oh shit it's Wednesday, i have to pick up my John Snow costume for the midweek role playing too. Tonight Khaleesi thinks i will betray her and tortures me.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.2.22  Trout Giggles  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @4.2.21    4 weeks ago

Go eat lunch, you Cannibal

 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
4.2.23  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.22    4 weeks ago

Yes Ma'am..

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.2.24  Greg Jones  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2    4 weeks ago

I certainly hope so.

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.2.25  Split Personality  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @4.2.21    4 weeks ago

It's Wednesday down there?

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.26  Tessylo  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @4.2.16    4 weeks ago
Put the dollar in my g-string ladies.....

With the economy being what it is - all I can spare is a nickel

Where should I put it?

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2.27  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.26    4 weeks ago
With the economy being what it is - all I can spare is a nickel Where should I put it?

In "THE BANK....for a rainy day.

Every nickel saved is a nickel EARNED.....right ?

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.28  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @4.2.27    4 weeks ago

I was talking to BF - I can't hardly put a nickel in his G-string now can I?

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2.29  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.28    4 weeks ago
I can't hardly put a nickel in his G-string now can I?

Got me !

Got a picture to share ? jrSmiley_16_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.2.30  Trout Giggles  replied to  Split Personality @4.2.25    4 weeks ago

LOL!

Maybe that's why he's having a linguistically hard day?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.2.31  livefreeordie  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2.13    4 weeks ago

How far in following Marx and the Communist Manifesto do the Democrats have to go before folks like yourself will acknowledge that they are following Communism?

All of these are from the Communist Manifesto and are core liberal Democrat policies and beliefs (shared unfortunately by a number of Republicans)

"Chapter II. Proletarians and Communists

The Communist revolution is the most radical rupture with traditional property relations; no wonder that its development involved the most radical rupture with traditional ideas.

But let us have done with the bourgeois objections to Communism.

We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy.

The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.

Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.

These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.

Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. (eminent domain)

Abolition of all rights of inheritance. (estate tax)

Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. (Federal Reserve)

Centralization of the means of communication and transport in he hands of the state. (FCC & Dept Of Transportation)

Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. (AIG, GM, Dept of Agriculture, OSHA, EPA)

Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. (unionism)

Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. (urbanization)

Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc (John Dewey a communist and founder of American Public Schools -Dewey considered "the great task of the school" to be "to counteract and transform those domestic and neighborhood tendencies" which he specifically and accurately identified as "the influence of home and Church." In order for Dewey's "progressive" agenda to advance, the moral authority of "home and Church" would have to be undermined and replaced with the authority of the state.)

The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital. (homosexual marriage, feminism)

seek to end all religious belief and practice (which is a common sentiment here by the socialists)

http://www.constitution.org/tyr/com_mani.htm#Proletarian

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.2.32  Jack_TX  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @4.2.1    4 weeks ago
I really do believe Bernie represents most Democrats I know these days. I'm glad their representation has caught up with their desire to flirt with Karl Marx even though i vehemently disagree with it.

He represents "not Trump", which is the most important thing for Democrats.

 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
4.2.33  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ  replied to  Split Personality @4.2.25    4 weeks ago

I went through the whole day not knowing what day it was. 

I consider that an asset.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.2.34  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Greg Jones @4.2.24    4 weeks ago

I hoping not. :)

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.2.35  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @4.2.1    4 weeks ago
I really do believe Bernie represents most Democrats I know these days.

That just testifies for how few Democrats you claim to know. 

 
 
 
βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.2.37  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @4.2.36    4 weeks ago

There's cream for that problem.  Get yourself some Preparation H, Fish.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.2.38  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.4    4 weeks ago
"Jeebus, BF"

He dropped something more like a turd than a mic with that comment. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.2.40  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.15    4 weeks ago
We have to have regulations, sorry, Mr Libertarian.

Libertarian, my ass.  He's a thinly (tissue paper thin) disguised Trumper and always has been.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.2.41  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @4.2.5    3 weeks ago
I'm with you, Freedom Fish loves Capitalism.

If only you knew what it was.  

 
 
 
DRHunk
4.2.42  DRHunk  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2.31    3 weeks ago

Wow... over react much?

Taxing inherited wealth, even at 50% is not equal to Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
- It is new income for you and should be taxed accordingly, just because it was in your daddies bank does not mean it is not a form of income in the year you received it. 

(Securing land from the individual to benefit the state or country due to national security or other extreme measures) is not Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

(A heavy progressive or graduated income tax) - Do you live in a self sustaining homestead on a plot of land away from all modern technologies and necessities?  No....didn't think so, these taxes you hate so much are what paid for your police, roads, sewer system, electrical systems, internet capabilities...you are such a socialist.

This made me laugh, (Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly)....RIGHT, that is so happening, i have 3 accounts at 3 different independent banks, and credit accounts at many more, none of which are owned by the gov.

(Centralization of the means of communication and transport in he hands of the state), really, Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T...all black site gov funded entities?? dumb. the FCC sets regulations (Rules or laws) that benefit communication companies or benefit the people using the communications.   There will always be laws and rules to abide by in any industry t any point in time from the beginning to the end...get over it.

 And the rest of the tripe posted i didn't feel like getting into.

Feminism and homosexuality is the destruction of the middle class???? Jesus Christ, its like living in the Twilight Zone.

 
 
 
Kavika
4.2.43  Kavika   replied to  DRHunk @4.2.42    3 weeks ago
Feminism and homosexuality is the destruction of the middle class???? Jesus Christ, its like living in the Twilight Zone.

LOL, excellent analogy.

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.2.44  Split Personality  replied to  βΔĐ₣ƗŞĦ ĦΔŇĐ Ø₣ ĐØØΜ @4.2.33    3 weeks ago

No problem, I trusted you.

I only put the trash out a day early.

The note from the Code Violation Officer was almost polite.

lol

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5  Sean Treacy    4 weeks ago

Good to see the front runner of the party that claims to be so aghast about Trump's lies is a serial plagiarizer who lied about his wife and daughter getting killed by a drunk driver.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @5    4 weeks ago

Sean,

As opposed to Trump's daily lying. Pleeeze. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1    4 weeks ago

So you are okay with premeditated lies designed to manipulate you, but Trump's "daily lies" (whatever they are) is somehow over the line?

do you think a decent person lies  about and exploits the death of their wife and kid? 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.1    4 weeks ago

Sean, 

Biden said:

 in the early 2000s, Joe Biden began to remark in public that his wife had died at the hands of someone who “allegedly . . . drank his lunch instead of eating his lunch.” That Curtis Dunn “was an errant driver who stopped to drink.”

Which is what was believed at the time. The driver was later found not guilty of this. Now he should have taken it back but he didn't. That was wrong. But I am not going to fault a guy who just lost a wife and a child. That alone is an unbearable misery. He was probably just bitter, and who wouldn't be. 

But what are Trump's daily lies for? Basically himself. 

And his whole demeanor? A man who brags about cheating on his wife and grabbing pussy. Do you think a decent person does that?

Sorry, there is no high road here.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.2    4 weeks ago
hich is what was believed at the time. The driver was later found not guilty of this

That is simply not true. The accident happened in 1972....The other driver was never charged with any wrongdoing, let alone drinking. Biden's wife drove into on-coming traffic and was at fault for the collision.  The other driver was never even issued a ticket, let alone found "not guilty" by a judge. 

But I am not going to fault a guy who just lost a wife and a child.

Again, that's false. He started lying about the accident and smearing the memory of a dead man decades after the accident occurred. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.3    4 weeks ago

Sean,

I can show you that that IS what Biden was lead to believe at first. I said that the guy was found not to be drunk. 

Again, that's false. He started lying about the accident and smearing the memory of a dead man decades after the accident occurred.

The only place I can find that to be true is the National Review, which is a right leaning publication. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
5.1.5  Greg Jones  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1    4 weeks ago

It depends on how you define "lie"

If people were worried about  these so called lies, why did some ~60 MILLION people vote for him, and why does his approval numbers stay the same?

I seem to remember HRC lying a lot, practically ever day, particularly when being investigated.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.4    4 weeks ago
that that IS what Biden was lead to believe at first.

Please do.  

So its your belief that a drunk driving truck driver can kill the family of a US senator and walk away without a ticket?  In what world are truck drivers who kill the family of a Senator allowed to walk free? 

he only place I can find that to be true is the National Review

Find what to be true?  You, yourself, claimed Biden started claiming the innocent driver was drunk in the early 2000s.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.6    4 weeks ago
So its your belief that a drunk driving truck driver can kill the family of a US senator and walk away without a ticket?  

I never said that. Stop twisting my words.

Find what to be true?  You, yourself, claimed Biden started claiming the innocent driver was drunk in the early 2000s.  

Reread what I wrote. I said that Biden said that after the accident and I meant right after the accident. Only the NR said it was in 2000's. Biden did say it right after the accident.. he didn't need to embellish a tragedy like that for political reasons. It's terrible enough.

And here is an irony. Somehow you are OK with the daily garbage that comes out of Trump's mouth. You and I have known each other for a very long time now Sean, and if any of this same crap came out of Obama's mouth, you would be on it like white on rice. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.5    4 weeks ago
If people were worried about  these so called lies, why did some ~60 MILLION people vote for him, and why does his approval numbers stay the same?

Because we had two sets of liars and one was arrogant enough not to go to some states she should have gone to before the elections. btw, by popular vote, she won, so the 60 million is not such an important number. 

I seem to remember HRC lying a lot, practically ever day, particularly when being investigated.

Did I say that was OK? Are you going with the two wrongs makes a right defense?

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.6    4 weeks ago

When did she lie under investigation?

Link?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.1.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.7    4 weeks ago

I never said that. Stop twisting my words.

You claim Biden "believes" he was drinking but can't provide any rational basis for that belief. In order for that guy to have been drunk, the police would have had to have covered up his crime. Why would Biden (and by extension, you) believe that is even a possibility? 

. I said that Biden said that after the accident and I meant right after the accident

No, he was claiming  it in the 2000s. There is zero evidence that he made that claim in the aftermath of the accident. Why would he do that when his friend and neighbor, Jerome Herlihy, the deputy AG of Delaware,  announced publicly two days after the accident that "there was NO EVIDENCE Dunn was speeding, drinking or driving a truck with faulty brakes."

Only the NR said it was in the 2000s..

And the New York Times, CBS, the Atlantic etc etc... the logical fallacy thing isn't going to cut it. The September 4 2008 New York Times has a long story about how Biden started talking about how his family was killed by a drunk driver in 2001.

Biden did say it right after the accident

Please link to that.

Somehow you are OK with the daily garbage that comes out of Trump's mouth.

Trump is no better than Biden. I said it's funny that those who claim to be so upset about Trump are perfectly happy with Biden and his history of plagiarism and lying about something as sordid as how his own family died.  That's about as low as you can go. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.11  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.10    4 weeks ago

Joe Biden believed that Mr.Dunn "drank his lunch" that day, mentioned it a few times over the next 40 years and in 2008

accepted the Judge's opinion that alcohol was not a factor.

Just a week before Christmas, 1972, the wife of newly-elected Sen. Joe Biden and the couple's baby daughter were killed - and their two sons badly injured - when the Biden family car was broadsided by a truck at an intersection in Delaware.

The truck driver, Curtis Dunn, was never charged in the crash. But, his daughter Pam Hamill says, he too, suffered, reports CBS News correspondent Bob Orr.

"He grieved over that," Hamill said. "He was haunted and was tormented by that for years."

Dunn died in 1999, but since then his family has endured widespread rumors and reports that he had been drinking just before the collision.

At least twice, Biden himself has made public references to alcohol being involved in the crash. In 2007 Biden said the truck driver "allegedly ... drank his lunch." And multiple news outlets, including CBS News, have reported that Dunn was drunk.

Hamill disputes that - saying her dad had not been drinking.

"The truth is, it was a tragic accident," she said. "No alcohol was involved."

The police reports have been lost, but Delaware Judge Jerome Herlihy, who investigated the crash, supports Hamill's claim.

He told CBS News, "There was no indication that the truck driver had been drinking."

And last fall, a spokesman for Biden said that the senator "fully accepts the Dunn family's word that these rumors were false."

Now Pam Hamill simply wants the record to be cleared, and her father's reputation restored

"He was a good, hard working man and wonderful father," she said.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/driver-in-biden-crash-wanted-name-cleared/

Was Mrs. Biden partially at fault, probably, but it was not a head on collision, I don't know where you got that from.  Obviously the same sites that insist the Joe is some

scurrilous subhuman for accusing Mr. Dunn of killing his wife and child under the influence of alcohol.

Too many other, older, less polarized articles express the more likely truth without condemning Biden for what he implied or said about Dunn.

https://worldhistoryproject.org/1972/12/18/joe-bidens-wife-and-daughter-killed-in-car-accident

https://www.bustle.com/p/what-happened-to-joe-bidens-first-wife-neilia-daughter-naomi-its-a-heartbreaking-story-6911491

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/joe-biden-opens-up-about-past-family-tragedies-with-son-hunter-biden-w206970/

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.1.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.11    4 weeks ago

yes, your links demonstrate exactly what I said. 

There was no evidence that the driver was drinking and Biden didn't claim there was until 2001.  Again, in 1972, the investigator publicly announced there was no evidence that the driver was drinking. He wasn't so much as ticketed. Then almost 30 years later, Biden starts publicly slurring the memory of Dunn. 

There is no rational basis or evidence to support the claim Dunn was drinking.  To believe he was, you'd have to believe the Delaware State Police and Deputy AG (Biden's friend) engaged in a cover up to protect a truck driver who killed a Senator's family. In what world would that happen? 

Was Mrs. Biden partially at fault, probably,

She had a stop sign, the other driver didn't.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
5.1.13  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.5    4 weeks ago
It depends on how you define "lie"

I refer you to your Scumbag for the ultimate definition of that word.  He's made it his signature. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.14  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.12    4 weeks ago
Biden didn't claim there was until 2001

It's sad that you cannot prove that.

The man, a good man,  lost his wife and infant in a tragic accident 47 years ago, before the digital age, hell they even lost the police records,

We are relying on newsprint articles from 47 years ago.

All we have are a couple of quotes where he used the word allegedly and instantly in some peoples minds, he's a liar.  The worst of the worst, scum of the earth,

Failed the purity test, he did.

That's political hackery 101.

So is calling him a serial plagiarist, but I'm sure you have your reasons for that too.....

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
5.1.15  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1    3 weeks ago
As opposed to Trump's daily lying.

His number is well over 10,000 now--just since coming into office.  The campaign lying is at least that. 

 
 
 
cms5
6  cms5    4 weeks ago

If that's all he is about...anti-Trump...he won't make it far. Anti-Trump isn't exactly a platform that benefits every person in this Nation.

In order to win over the independents that voted for Trump...Dems will need a strong platform.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  cms5 @6    4 weeks ago
In order to win over the independents that voted for Trump...Dems will need a strong platform.

I'm an indie, and while I agree, I want to hear what Biden's platform is, he is also the only viable alternative to Trump. I would rather my president didn't tweet idiotcy daily.

 
 
 
evilgenius
6.1.1  evilgenius  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1    4 weeks ago
I want to hear what Biden's platform is...

He's going to run on continuing the Obama policies. He can do nothing less as the VP for 8 years.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1    4 weeks ago
he is also the only viable alternative to Trump.

I havent seen a Democrat yet who wouldnt be better than Trump. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
6.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.2    4 weeks ago

But none of them are electable John, they're all far left progressive socialists, who are completely out of step with average hard working Americans, who want things like secure borders, a good economy, meaningful jobs, less fear mongering about things like climate change, rampant racism, white nationalism, and lessening involvement in foreign wars.

 
 
 
evilgenius
6.1.4  evilgenius  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.3    4 weeks ago
they're all far left progressive socialists

Actually they are not ALL far left progressive socialists, just like the whole primary field in 2016 wasn't ALL far right fascist dicks.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
6.1.5  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.2    4 weeks ago
I havent seen a Democrat yet who wouldnt be better than Trump. 

Of course you have.  You just don't recognize them.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.2  r.t..b...  replied to  cms5 @6    4 weeks ago
...Dems will need a strong platform.

I would like to think such things as policy, statesmanship, decorum, and the willingness to compromise still mattered. Perhaps they will if a candidate with the temperament and eloquence required emerges from the fray. If not, in the hunger to unseat the incumbent, they may end up cannibalizing one another, actually enabling their worst case scenario. One thing for sure, the general is shaping up to be a feeding frenzy of innuendo & accusation and sadly, totally demoralizing.

 
 
 
cms5
6.2.1  cms5  replied to  r.t..b... @6.2    4 weeks ago

Agreed...to a point. Electabilityy isn't why Trump is our current President. Hillary was electable...but not elected.

People wanted a non-politician to walk in and take care of illegal immigration...to take care of jobs...to actually do what they promise. Granted, Trump is rough around the edges...but doing what he can to deliver on promises.

The progressives are scaring the hell out of my Dem friends. Probably because they aren't millineals and know that all of these ideas - Medicare for All - Tuition reimbursement - Green New Deal - will mean less money in their bank accounts. Republican, Democrat, Indie - all enjoy more money in their bank accounts.

We'll have to wait and see what his platform will be. It would also be nice to see that he doesn't spend a great deal of time 'apologizing'.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  cms5 @6.2.1    4 weeks ago
Granted, Trump is rough around the edges.

Oh please, he's a fricking pathological liar, con man, business fraud , and ignoramus. That is not "rough around the edges". 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.2.3  r.t..b...  replied to  cms5 @6.2.1    4 weeks ago
People wanted a non-politician to walk in and take care of illegal immigration...to take care of jobs...to actually do what they promise.

And if we've learned anything from the current administration, it is that a certain amount of knowledge about how things get done is crucial. The 'outsider' moniker may play well in a campaign, but it becomes a liability once elected. Things like listening and understanding the experts who've made a career in service to multiple agencies and military branches, realizing the nuances of our relationships with our allies and our foes, knowing the machinations of Congress, the Courts, the Constitution and surrounding yourself and taking counsel from the best and the brightest. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
6.2.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  r.t..b... @6.2.3    4 weeks ago

And appointing people who know these things. trmp didn't do a very good job with his appointments

 
 
 
Greg Jones
6.2.5  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.2    4 weeks ago

Not true, he's none of those things. You want him to be, but he is not.

Your opinions are clouded and confused by overwrought emotionalism

 
 
 
Greg Jones
6.2.6  Greg Jones  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.2.4    4 weeks ago

Which ones? Most of them have been pretty good, some even brilliant.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.2.4    4 weeks ago

Plus there are so many positions that aren't even filled.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
6.2.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Greg Jones @6.2.6    4 weeks ago

DeVos is the biggest loser that comes to mind and then there's Dr Ben Carson. Who was the mind-numbing moron placed in charge of the Energy Department? Rick Perry?

Rick Perry should stick to looking pretty because that's all he's good for

 
 
 
katrix
6.2.9  katrix  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.2.8    4 weeks ago

You've forgotten all the ones who had to step down due to corruption.  Zinke comes to mind ... of course, they were incompetent as well as corrupt.  Trump surrounds himself with corrupt, inept people.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
6.2.10  Greg Jones  replied to  katrix @6.2.9    4 weeks ago
Trump surrounds himself with corrupt, inept people.

And they are soon gone. After all, he's not a politician. Takes awhile to assemble a good team. Did Obama do better?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
6.2.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Greg Jones @6.2.10    4 weeks ago

How hard is it to find a smart person with some political savvy to consult on who to appoint to Cabinet positions? Isn't that what the Transition Team is for?

And no, Steve Bannon was NOT the man to consult

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.2.12  r.t..b...  replied to  katrix @6.2.9    4 weeks ago
Trump surrounds himself with corrupt, inept people.

As a man obsessed with the media, simultaneously castigating it as an 'enemy of the people' (simply frightening in the implications) or taking advantage of it with his daily tirade of tweets, it is no surprise he surrounds himself with vacuous media personalities. For a fractured man who craves the spotlight like an addict craves the next fix, he is his own, and by extension due to his accidental ascendancy, our own worst enemy. Completely clueless. Completely scurrilous.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.2.13  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @6.2.10    4 weeks ago

So it takes more than two freaking years to assemble a good team?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.2.14  r.t..b...  replied to  Greg Jones @6.2.10    4 weeks ago
Takes awhile to assemble a good team.

Two plus years in. An unprecedented number of high level administrative & ambassadorship vacancies and 'interim' cabinet members. As a self-proclaimed business mogul, his level of ineptitude and ignorance would get him canned in any normal corporate environment. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
6.2.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  r.t..b... @6.2.14    4 weeks ago

Do we have a UN Ambassador yet?

 
 
 
ArkansasHermit-too
6.2.16  ArkansasHermit-too  replied to  katrix @6.2.9    4 weeks ago
You've forgotten all the ones who had to step down due to corruption

Mustn't forget that convicted felon Trump picked as his National Security Advisor, Michael Flynn.

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.2.17  Texan1211  replied to  ArkansasHermit-too @6.2.16    4 weeks ago

Please list all of Trump's felony convictions you claim he has.

 
 
 
katrix
6.2.18  katrix  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.17    4 weeks ago

He's talking about how Flynn is  convicted felon.

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.2.19  Texan1211  replied to  katrix @6.2.18    4 weeks ago
He's talking about how Flynn is convicted felon.

You really believe that?

Is that what you got from this?

Mustn't forget that convicted felon Trump picked as his National Security Advisor, Michael Flynn.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.2.20  It Is ME  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.19    4 weeks ago

Apparently...Flynn being in the same realm as Martha Stewart is worse. Such bad, bad, BAD peoples Flynn is ! Martha....not so much . 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.2.21  r.t..b...  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.19    4 weeks ago
Is that what you got from this?

It was grammatically and more importantly, factually correct. Your incessant need to cherry-pick apart seemingly every post that runs counter to your partisan sensibilities has grown very tiresome.   Carrion, as vultures are want to do. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
6.2.22  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.19    4 weeks ago

OFFS

Yes, I automatically correct grammar when I read, don't you?

(one) Mustn't forget that convicted felon(, that) Trump picked as his National Security Advisor, Michael Flynn.

Easy peasy.

No Snickers bar required....

 
 
 
Jack_TX
6.2.23  Jack_TX  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.2.8    4 weeks ago
DeVos is the biggest loser that comes to mind

OK...serious question... what terrible thing has she actually done?  Not her credentials, not what she "supports", not what she has said....what has she done?

and then there's Dr Ben Carson.

Same question.

 
 
 
katrix
6.2.24  katrix  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.19    4 weeks ago

Yes, I understand grammar.  The way you're reading it makes no sense.  It's talking about the person who Trump PICKED AS HIS national security advisor.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
6.2.25  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  cms5 @6.2.1    4 weeks ago
.but not elected.

And yet was the people's choice by a very comfortable margin.  And, keep this in mind:  Scumbag will have to recreate exactly the upset in PA, WI and MI in 2020 to have a chance of winning again.  WI and MI just finished throwing out their republican governors and Dems flipped 4 congressional seats in PA (despite gerrymandering there).  The earth shifted in all of those states and it was definitely not to Republicans' advantage. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.2.26  Tessylo  replied to  r.t..b... @6.2.21    4 weeks ago
'It was grammatically and more importantly, factually correct. Your incessant need to cherry-pick apart seemingly every post that runs counter to your partisan sensibilities has grown very tiresome.   Carrion, as vultures are want to do.'

Tiresome, INDEED

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
6.2.27  Trout Giggles  replied to  r.t..b... @6.2.21    4 weeks ago
Carrion, as vultures are want to do. 

Very clever

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
6.2.28  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.19    3 weeks ago

You obviously  need to learn how commas work, Tex. And you also might want to read entire sentences before blundering in to play grammarian.   To get your interpretation of that comment to mean Trump was the convicted felon it would have read:

Mustn't forget that convicted felon, Trump, picked as his National Security Advisor, Michael Flynn.

See those little marks just before and after "Trump?"  Those are called commas and are used in this case to identify who or what had been referred to earlier.  In the original sentence this was done properly at the end of the sentence when one of these commas preceded the name of the person earlier referenced by the pronoun (we can discuss what those are and how they're used in a later tutorial if you'd like) "that."  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
6.2.29  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  It Is ME @6.2.20    3 weeks ago
Martha....not so much .

Funny you should bring her up.  She went to jail for exactly what Mueller describes as what your Scumbag did....except that she only did it once while Scumbag racked up ten potential counts of it.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.2.30  It Is ME  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.2.29    3 weeks ago
She went to jail for exactly what Mueller describes as what your Scumbag did

Mueller did ?

Where ?

 
 
 
Tacos!
7  Tacos!    4 weeks ago

Of the candidates running, he's probably the one least likely to screw things up badly. These days, that's about the best I hope for.

 
 
 
TᵢG
7.1  TᵢG  replied to  Tacos! @7    4 weeks ago

Pretty much my position too (for now).

 
 
 
Veronica
7.2  Veronica  replied to  Tacos! @7    4 weeks ago

Agreement in this camp.  I keep hoping one of the parties out there actually nominate someone I could feel confident in supporting.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.2.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Veronica @7.2    4 weeks ago

I with you all! 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
8  Nerm_L    4 weeks ago

If Democrats intend to turn the 2020 election into a referendum based on personality then Democrats are in trouble.  In a personality contest the weapon of choice is public disclosure.  And no one that has been in politics for any length of time can avoid damage caused by public disclosure.  Keep in mind that Russian meddling was really about public disclosure so a personality contests makes foreign meddling easier to accomplish.

Donald Trump is a known quantity; everyone is very aware of Trump's personality flaws and Democrats have already used up all the public disclosure they have available.  In a personality contest Trump has the advantage because there won't be any new surprises.  Democrats spewing spittle over Trump will be just more of the same.  Turning the 2020 campaign into a personality contest means that the surprises will come from public disclosures about the Democratic candidate, not public disclosures about Trump.  In a personality contest Democrats have more to lose than does Trump.

Democrats had better start building a campaign of creditable policy ideas that are an alternative to Trump's policy ideas.  Trump's policy ideas are straightforward; America's interests are more important than anything else.  So far the only Democrats putting forward policy ideas have been Democratic Socialists within the party.  But the problem has been that those Democratic Socialist ideas attempt to transform America into Europe.  That's going to be a difficult sell.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
8.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Nerm_L @8    4 weeks ago

Very good post Nerm! 

Like you, my major concerns are about policy, and the Democrats have continued to make it all about personality and character flaws. They don't seem to have an agenda acceptable to the majority of American citizens, and apparently can't come up with a plan or a clue about how to govern anymore. They can't seem to get beyond the results of the last election and assembled a bunch of whining losers as presidential candidates. Not one of them seems to inspire much interest or shows any leadership capabilities . Going to be an interesting campaign.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
8.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Nerm_L @8    4 weeks ago
Donald Trump is a known quantity

The fact is, it's not so much that his scandals are known so they don't matter anymore. Bill Clintons scandals have been known for almost 30 years and Republicans are still whining about them. The difference is the standards for Trump have been lowered below the floor. Many republicans have decided they really don't care what Trump does or says, they'll keep supporting him just to piss off liberals and progressives they know REALLY can't stand him. So his disgusting personality, his serial adultery, his lying and cheating at everything, his blatant attempts at obstruction of justice, his clearly open door policy to anything Russian, his unhinged behavior, his moronic tweets, his unmitigated narcissism, all of it is excused because some on the right felt left behind, felt abandoned by what they perceive as "the establishment". And what do poorly educated bullies do when faced with opposition? They punch it in the nose. They know no other way to overcome adversity. Donald Trump is simply a rude, vulgar punch in the nose and his base couldn't be happier about it. Of course, many of his supporters would likely find all sorts of joy in torturing kittens or tripping disabled kids, but their true joy has come from watching their elected President kick all the Presidential norms along with the American government, liberals, progressives, minorities and LGTBQ Americans along with the constitution, in the nuts.

 
 
 
Veronica
8.2.1  Veronica  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.2    4 weeks ago

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Nerm_L
8.2.2  Nerm_L  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.2    4 weeks ago
The fact is, it's not so much that his scandals are known so they don't matter anymore.

The Democratic party faithful had their minds made up about Trump when it was announced that Clinton lost.  Trump hasn't tried to change that opinion.  Not surprising that for the primaries the Democratic candidates will preach to the choir.

How are Democrats going to show that Trump is flawed since everyone already knows that?  Are Democrats going to repeat the 2016 election?  Why should Democrats believe that this time will be different?

In a personality contest Trump has all the advantages.  Democrats can't make Trump look worse.  And Trump can bring out all the flaws in the Democratic candidate.  If Democrats try to run another personality contest then Democrats will be the losers even if they take back the White House.  The Democratic candidate will end up looking just as flawed as Trump.  Democrats would win an election but lose credibility.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
8.2.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Nerm_L @8.2.2    4 weeks ago
The Democratic party faithful had their minds made up about Trump when it was announced that Clinton lost. 

Well anyone with any sense knew Trump was an abject failure of a human being not fit to be a crossing guard long before the election. Even many on the right knew it, they just reveled in the fact that Trump made the toes curl of anyone with any civics education.

"Democrats can't make Trump look worse."

Well that's certainly true. But all Democrats have to do is keep the 52-57% who disapprove of the President by offering up a candidate that's simply "Not Trump". That's the biggest selling point for the majority of Americans. If "Not Trump" were a brand, it's what nearly 60% of American's would be buying today and we're going to witness one of the biggest landslide elections come 2020 as Trump loses by the largest margin in American history. And his pathetic 37% will whine, shriek and snivel with as much energy as they've been gloating with for the last two years. And they'll most likely scream "Deep State" and other nonsensical bullshit because that's what many of them are, nonsensical tin foil hat wearing whiners who sullied themselves getting in bed with white supremacists, the KKK and Nazi's all in their collective support of the worst human to ever to set foot in the oval office.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
8.2.4  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Nerm_L @8.2.2    3 weeks ago
The Democratic party faithful had their minds made up about Trump when it was announced that Clinton lost. 

My mind was made up well before that just based on seeing every day what Scumbag was and that was confirmed by his history and the garbage that poured out of his filthy pie hole.  Since then all of my assessments of Scumbag have not just been confirmed but legally documented by the lying, the criminality of his choices of "people" to run his agencies and now the Mueller report that documented his obstructions and provided future prosecutors the evidence for indictments when Scumbag can no longer use his office to avoid the law.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
8.2.5  Nerm_L  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @8.2.4    3 weeks ago
Since then all of my senses about Scumbag have not just been confirmed but documented by the lying, the criminality of his choices of "people" to run his agencies and now the Mueller report that documented his obstructions and provided future prosecutors the evidence for indictments when Scumbag can no longer use his office to avoid the law. 

Confirmation?  Everyone knew who and what Trump was before he was elected.  After all the angst driven protests, anti-Trump investigations, hair-on-fire media coverage, and spittle spewing Democratic outrage nothing has changed.  Trump is still the duly elected President.

Instead of expending so much energy trying to find confirmation, perhaps Democrats could better use their time and effort trying to develop alternatives.  

 
 
 
katrix
8.3  katrix  replied to  Nerm_L @8    4 weeks ago
Trump's policy ideas are straightforward; America's interests are more important than anything else. 

No, his ideas are that his ego is more important than anything else, and that he's above the rule of law.  He has no coherent policies. 

Now, whether or not the Democrats can come up with someone who can beat him ... or whether the Republicans can find some decent primary challengers ... remains to be seen.

I find it rather ironic that the ultra right wingers who were screeching about the DNC's concerted efforts to make Clinton the nominee instead of Bernie don't seem to have any problems with what the GOP is doing to try to prevent any valid primary challenge to Trump - such as considering cancelling the GOP primary in South Carolina.  It's to everyone's advantage to have some decent, adult GOP primary candidates running against Trump, but then, both parties can do whatever they want, and they're concerned about getting and holding onto power, not actually about what's best for the country. 

 
 
 
Veronica
8.3.1  Veronica  replied to  katrix @8.3    4 weeks ago
whether the Republicans can find some decent primary challengers

That would be a good move on their part.  Since I do not vote party I would love to see GOOD candidates from all parties.  Actual candidates that can govern & work with others.  

I have asked numerous Republicans that support Trump loudly if the Republican party put forth a worthy more moderate & intelligent opponent for the primaries would they still vote for Trump.  No one will answer.  They deflect & say "Hillary".  

 
 
 
katrix
8.3.2  katrix  replied to  Veronica @8.3.1    4 weeks ago

So far only one challenger has announced ... Hogan is kicking the tires to see if he'll run.  We shall see.

 
 
 
Veronica
8.3.3  Veronica  replied to  katrix @8.3.2    4 weeks ago

I think I have heard some good stuff about him.  I will have to check it out.  Now if only the Dems & even the Green party would find decent candidates to actually put forth.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
8.3.4  Nerm_L  replied to  katrix @8.3    4 weeks ago
No, his ideas are that his ego is more important than anything else, and that he's above the rule of law.  He has no coherent policies. 

Really?  Trump's policy agenda has been to disentangle the United States from bad international deals (using his description).  And Trump hasn't been subtle in getting that point across.

Trump's policy agenda has been nationalist but not very isolationist.  Trump has plainly stated that United States participation in international affairs must benefit the United States more than any other country.  Democrats have tried to oppose that nationalist policy agenda by making globalist claims.  But those globalist arguments create a perception that Democrats are anti-American.  Even Democrat's domestic policy appears to put Americans at a disadvantage.  IMO that's why Democrats have been focusing more attention on personality flaws rather than policy ideas.  

Now, whether or not the Democrats can come up with someone who can beat him ... or whether the Republicans can find some decent primary challengers ... remains to be seen.

Democrats must worry about beating themselves.  Democrats need to rethink their pro-globalist policy ideas.  The mood of the country really has become more anti-globalist (and more nationalist).  Trump has buried Reagan at last.

 
 
 
katrix
8.3.5  katrix  replied to  Veronica @8.3.3    4 weeks ago

He won Maryland for a second term (governor) and it's a very blue state.  Of course, he's too centrist for ultra-partisan people on either side.

 
 
 
Veronica
8.3.6  Veronica  replied to  katrix @8.3.5    4 weeks ago

I prier the middle.  The extremists give me headaches.  They always think they are right & that they are the only ones that should benefit from anything.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
8.3.7  Nerm_L  replied to  Veronica @8.3.1    4 weeks ago
I have asked numerous Republicans that support Trump loudly if the Republican party put forth a worthy more moderate & intelligent opponent for the primaries would they still vote for Trump.  No one will answer.  They deflect & say "Hillary".  

Nikki Haley or Joni Ernst.  Marco Rubio isn't finished, either.  

Like it or not, the Republican Party really is becoming more diverse and is actually becoming more Teddy Roosevelt progressive.

 
 
 
Veronica
8.3.8  Veronica  replied to  Nerm_L @8.3.7    4 weeks ago
Like it or not

Presuming that I would not like the Republican party to come more centered & in tune with the real world, as I would like the Democratic party to move away from the crap it has been spewing.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
8.3.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  katrix @8.3.2    4 weeks ago

I think there was a fella from Mass that announced but I can't remember his name

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
8.3.10  Freedom Warrior  replied to  katrix @8.3    4 weeks ago

 Those comments are easily refuted by the very nature of the fact that the ignorance of the accomplishments that have occurred during the past few years speak to an underlying philosophy that is far better for the country than what is being championed by far left wing proponents of massive brain farts such as the green new deal, phony promises of free stuff for everybody, nationalized healthcare, socialism and a long list of other fukwadisms. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
8.3.11  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Freedom Warrior @8.3.10    4 weeks ago

And of course I forgot to mention one of the biggest idiocies of all such as open borders.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
8.3.12  Nerm_L  replied to  Veronica @8.3.8    4 weeks ago
Presuming that I would not like the Republican party to come more centered & in tune with the real world, as I would like the Democratic party to move away from the crap it has been spewing.  

Well, that really is happening to the Republican Party.  The danger for Democrats is that they will be left behind in the last century.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
8.3.13  livefreeordie  replied to  Veronica @8.3.1    4 weeks ago

I'm not a Republican but I have voted 3rd party for decades precisely because the Republicans keep putting forward "moderates' (I view them as left leaning or worse).

 
 
 
Veronica
8.3.14  Veronica  replied to  Nerm_L @8.3.12    4 weeks ago

I am in the wait and see mode & hoping that all parties can come up with decent candidates.

 
 
 
Veronica
8.3.15  Veronica  replied to  livefreeordie @8.3.13    4 weeks ago

Yes, because a far right president will represent everyone. sheesh

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
8.3.16  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Freedom Warrior @8.3.11    4 weeks ago
And of course I forgot to mention one of the biggest idiocies of all such as open borders.

How could you forget one of the biggest Republican lies?  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
8.3.17  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  livefreeordie @8.3.13    4 weeks ago
I'm not a Republican but I have voted 3rd party for decades precisely because the Republicans keep putting forward "moderates' (I view them as left leaning or worse).

Extry!!Extry!!! Dog Bites Man!!!!!!

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.3.18  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @8.3.7    3 weeks ago
'Like it or not, the Republican Party really is becoming more diverse and is actually becoming more Teddy Roosevelt progressive.'

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Freedom Warrior
8.4  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Nerm_L @8    4 weeks ago

 But the reality is the Democratic Party has been hijacked by the fresh new face of unabashed left wing extremists who are latching on to any crazy idea they can find to tempt to differentiate themselves and at some point I suspect I’ll just say I really didn’t mean that when I said that. And try to adopt some sort of center left strategy when it comes to the national election.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
8.4.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Freedom Warrior @8.4    4 weeks ago
But the reality is the Democratic Party has been hijacked by the fresh new face of unabashed left wing extremists who are latching on to any crazy idea they can find to tempt to differentiate themselves and at some point I suspect I’ll just say I really didn’t mean that when I said that. And try to adopt some sort of center left strategy when it comes to the national election.

Those fresh new faces are putting forward policy ideas that do not include maintaining and supporting the global world order.  Those left wing extremists aren't promoting status quo policy agendas. The Democratic Party has stagnated into a position of pragmatic defense of the status quo and isn't perceived as a party of ideas any longer.  The fact that left wing extremists have gained status within the Democratic Party indicates that the status quo doesn't provide sufficient appeal any longer.

Foreign countries do not seek support from the United States to benefit the United States.  And foreign countries seeking access to the United States markets really are pursuing their own self interests.  Younger Democrats are beginning to lose faith in the pro-globalist Democratic agenda.  We are approaching a generational transition from the baby boomers to the millennials.  And the pro-globalist status quo has not been kind to millennials. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
8.4.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Nerm_L @8.4.1    3 weeks ago

Once again, Nerm, I'm impressed by your ability to string so many clichés together and, not surprisingly, actually say anything that even approaches sense.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
8.4.3  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Freedom Warrior @8.4    3 weeks ago
But the reality is the Democratic Party has been hijacked by the fresh new face of unabashed left wing extremists who are latching on to any crazy idea they can find to tempt to differentiate themselves and at some point I suspect I’ll just say I really didn’t mean that when I said that.

This is a great example of the propaganda tactic that the right is so fond of:  accusing your opponents of the exact thing your doing. Let me demonstrate how easy it is to turn that statement above into an actual example of what the reality is:

The Republican party has been hijacked by a white-supremacist base led by deranged narcissistic liar  who have latched on to any bigoted idea they can find to tempt to undermine the rule of law and at every  point tell the rest of us that our our eyes and ears are lying to us.  
 
 
 
Nerm_L
8.4.4  Nerm_L  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @8.4.2    3 weeks ago
Once again, Nerm, I'm impressed by your ability to string so many clichés together and, not surprisingly, actually say anything that even approaches sense.  

Democrat's propensity to lie to themselves only replaces reality with delusions.  The Democratic Socialist faction within the Democratic Party are putting forward policy ideas; the rest of the party is not.  The old guard of the Democratic Party has focused attention on defeating Trump without putting forward any sort of policy agenda should they succeed.  That establishes a power vacuum within the Democratic Party.

At the present moment, the media has chosen Joe Biden to be the Democratic candidate for President.  The media is attempting to influence the election by presenting Biden as an 'inevitable' nominee; just as the media did with Clinton.  But Joe Biden really does represent a power vacuum within the Democratic Party.  Democrat's and the media are supporting a cliche rather than a policy agenda.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.4.5  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @8.4.4    3 weeks ago

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Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
8.4.6  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Nerm_L @8.4.4    3 weeks ago

You seem to have interpreted my comment as an invitation to hurl more worn-out clichés and general bullshit at me.  And that's just plain weird. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
8.4.7  Nerm_L  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @8.4.6    3 weeks ago
You seem to have interpreted my comment as an invitation to hurl more worn-out clichés and general bullshit at me.  And that's just plain weird. 

The Democratic Party IS a cliche.  That's the point.

The Republican Party was a cliche, too.  Trump has changed the dynamics within the Republican Party; the old guard have left the party.  While the obsolete cliches still exert considerable influence within the Republican Party, the value and purpose of those cliches are being questioned and challenged.

Democrats are trying to force the Republican Party back into the confines of its obsolete cliches.  IMO that Democratic effort is going to fail.  Gradually Republicans are going to become competitive in Democratic urban strongholds as the Republican Party abandons more of its obsolete cliches.

 
 
 
CB
8.4.8  CB   replied to  Nerm_L @8.4.7    3 weeks ago
the old guard have left the party.

I wonder whom the "old guard" will be supporting in 2020?  Thinks that make me go hmmmm?

 
 
 
Tessylo
9  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

'Once again, Nerm, I'm impressed by your ability to string so many clichés together and, not surprisingly, actually say anything that even approaches sense.'  

He seems to have that down to a science.  

 
 
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