Trump Files Restraining Order Against Democrat Elijah Cummings

  
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Trump Files Restraining Order Against Democrat Elijah Cummings
First, it’s important to understand that Trump is fighting against Cummings and his subpoena as a private citizen of the United States and not as the President. The information that Cummings is demanding in his subpoena has nothing to do with the White House or Trump’s actions as President. Instead, Cummings is trying to force Trump, his entire family, his business partners, and his employees to turn over private information that the government has no right to see. Since Democrats are now...

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Ever since President Trump took office, Democrats have clung to the Mueller investigation as their sole beacon of hope. Now that the Mueller investigation is complete, though, and Trump has been cleared of any and all charges, desperation within the Democratic Party has ratcheted up to an 11.

It seems Democrats are finally starting to recognize that they are losing this war. However, rather than throwing in the towel and accepting the fact that defeating Trump in 2020 is the only way to remove him from office, House Democrats are trying a new strategy—and this one is the dirtiest trick of all.

With the Mueller investigation dead in the water, House Democrats have now moved on to their own unlawful investigations into Trump’s personal finances – a dirty political tactic that has no place in U.S. politics. In typical Trump fashion, though, the President is fighting fire with fire.

After House Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings (D-MD) attempted to subpoena Trump’s personal accounting firm Mazars, Trump fought back by filing a restraining order against Cummings while Trump’s lawyers are fighting to block what they argue is an unlawful subpoena.

First, it’s important to understand that Trump is fighting against Cummings and his subpoena as a private citizen of the United States and not as the President. The information that Cummings is demanding in his subpoena has nothing to do with the White House or Trump’s actions as President.

Instead, Cummings is trying to force Trump, his entire family, his business partners, and his employees to turn over private information that the government has no right to see. Since Democrats are now attacking Donald Trump the U.S. citizen instead of President Trump, Trump is fighting back as a citizen by filing a restraining order against Cummings and taking the issue to court.

Trump’s lawyers argue that this new probe into Trump’s personal finances has “no legislative purpose” and have said that, “Democrats are using their new control of congressional committees to investigate every aspect of President Trump’s personal finances, businesses, and even his family. Instead of working with the President to pass bipartisan legislation that would actually benefit Americans, House Democrats are singularly obsessed with finding something they can use to damage the President politically.”

In the court filings against Elijah Cummings, Trump’s lawyers went on to say, “There is no possible legislation at the end of this tunnel; indeed, the Chairman does not claim otherwise. Its goal is to expose Plaintiffs’ private financial information for the sake of exposure, with the hope that it will turn up something that Democrats can use as a political tool against the President now and in the 2020 election.”

When Democrats took control of the House in 2018, there was little doubt what they would do with their newfound power. As anyone could have predicted, House Democrats have chosen to use their time and power investigating and obstructing rather than legislating and helping move the country forward.

Now that Democrats are no longer able to pursue investigations into Trump’s actions given that Mueller’s final report cleared him of any wrongdoing as President and as a Presidential candidate, they’ve moved on to investigating Trump’s actions as a private citizen.

Investigating a private citizen, however, is much different from investigating a President, and this new battle opens up many new legal avenues for Trump – including simply filing a restraining order against the man responsible for these absurd investigations. After all, private citizens have a right to keep their personal information private and likewise have many courses of action to ensure that the government is not able to force them into turning this information over.

Nevertheless, Cummings remains confident that he will be able to subpoena Trump’s accounting firm for all the information he desires, saying, “They [Mazars] have told us that they will provide the information pretty much when they have a subpoena. And we’ll get them a subpoena.”

Trump, however, isn’t going to let this unlawful harassment go unanswered. Since first announcing his intention to run for President, Trump has never been one to back down from a fight. Now, in all likelihood, Elijah Cummings is about to be the next in a long line of politicians who have picked a fight with President Trump and come out on the losing end.

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XXJefferson#51
1  seeder  XXJefferson#51    3 months ago

“Trump’s lawyers argue that this new probe into Trump’s personal finances has “no legislative purpose” and have said that, “Democrats are using their new control of congressional committees to investigate every aspect of President Trump’s personal finances, businesses, and even his family. Instead of working with the President to pass bipartisan legislation that would actually benefit Americans, House Democrats are singularly obsessed with finding something they can use to damage the President politically.”

In the court filings against Elijah Cummings, Trump’s lawyers went on to say, “There is no possible legislation at the end of this tunnel; indeed, the Chairman does not claim otherwise. Its goal is to expose Plaintiffs’ private financial information for the sake of exposure, with the hope that it will turn up something that Democrats can use as a political tool against the President now and in the 2020 election.”

When Democrats took control of the House in 2018, there was little doubt what they would do with their newfound power. As anyone could have predicted, House Democrats have chosen to use their time and power investigating and obstructing rather than legislating and helping move the country forward.

Now that Democrats are no longer able to pursue investigations into Trump’s actions given that Mueller’s final report cleared him of any wrongdoing as President and as a Presidential candidate, they’ve moved on to investigating Trump’s actions as a private citizen.

Investigating a private citizen, however, is much different from investigating a President, and this new battle opens up many new legal avenues for Trump – including simply filing a restraining order against the man responsible for these absurd investigations. After all, private citizens have a right to keep their personal information private and likewise have many courses of action to ensure that the government is not able to force them into turning this information over.”

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @1    3 months ago

WTF is wrong with this turd of a 'president'?

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
1.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    3 months ago

Not a thing.  He’s a great American President who is doing an awesome job as our elected President of all the people and he puts America first!  Keep America Great!

 
 
 
lib50
1.1.2  lib50  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @1.1.1    2 months ago

He is NOT a private citizen and is accountable to congress legally.  Constitutionally.  Why do you think he is above the law?  He is currently breaking laws as we speak.  You don't go to this much trouble to hide literally everything.  But he can't hide it forever.  And stop the bullcrap about putting America first.  He doesn't even put America second or third.  He gives zero fucks about this country.  He has made Russia and North Korea great again though.  They had quite the celebration recently.  And Trump just lies about all of it. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @1    3 months ago

Now the turd 'president' and his crime family are suing Deutsche Bank and Capitol One to not answer subpoenas.  What do they have to hide?

 
 
 
squiggy
1.2.1  squiggy  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    3 months ago

What crimes? Your cause will be out the door with tire chalking.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
1.2.2  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    3 months ago

they are protecting their privacy rights as American citizens.  They operate from a presumption of innocence and need not prove anything to you or us about their conduct as private citizens prior to his running for office.  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2  Greg Jones    3 months ago

It would appear that the Democrats are continuing to revert back to their past ideology...that of Stalin's Soviet style police and KGB.

"Ve vant to see your papers".  And they pretend to be afraid of Putin?   jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif   jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

If the Dems are attempting to do this to a sitting president, imagine what they could do to an average citizen.

Pretty scary precedents they are attempting to  set up.

They fail to recognize the same tactics could be used against them someday.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
2.1  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Greg Jones @2    3 months ago

Very good points.  You are right.  The Dems think that the deep state and the mainstream media will protect them from such things being done to them.  They are power hungry mad persons trying to undo the 2016 election by all possible means.   

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
2.1.1  Phoenyx13  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @2.1    3 months ago
the deep state

who are these members of the "deep state" ? how do you know they are members of the "deep state" ? do they have membership drives or monthly meetings or membership cards ?

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.2  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Greg Jones @2    3 months ago
Pretty scary precedents they are attempting to  set up.

they know serious indictments are inbound. 

and they will fight tooth and nail until their end. all rules be damned.

what's funny is they think by getting rid of trump all their troubles will just vanish.. too late for that.

cheers :)

 
 
 
evilgenius
3  evilgenius    3 months ago

It's an interesting tactic, but it will fail. The law gives the Congressional Committee the right to look at anyone's IRS documents. Trump could stop it all right now by releasing them himself, but it looks like he has skeletons to hide in this closet.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1  Tessylo  replied to  evilgenius @3    3 months ago

Really, if he had nothing to hide, the turd would release them.  

 
 
 
livefreeordie
3.1.1  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @3.1    3 months ago

Wrong. Trump needs to stay firm against these Stalinist Democrats who have no right to their demands of his finances, and especially when he was a private citizen.

It’s time someone stand up to these tyrannical statists and tell them to go to h... where they seem more at home

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.1    3 months ago

jrSmiley_90_smiley_image.gifstalinist this, communist that, socialist this, marxist that, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.1.3  r.t..b...  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.2    3 months ago

'ists' and 'isms' are but lists and prisms...affecting your world view to the point where everything is simplified to make it easier to condemn and castigate.

 
 
 
arkpdx
3.1.4  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @3.1    3 months ago
Really, if he had nothing to hide, the turd would release them.  

So then, using your words, I what is Obama hiding in his college transcript? If he had nothing to hide he would release them. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  arkpdx @3.1.4    3 months ago

Good one!

I notice that no Democrat ever thought little old Hillary ever had anything to hide despite deleting thousands and thousands of emails and having her server scrubbed, right?

But somehow, with the IRS going over Trump's returns, Trump has somehow managed to "hide" something from a veritable army of highly-trained IRS agents!

Trump must scare the hell out of them for them to believe THAT nonsense!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
3.1.6  Ozzwald  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.1    3 months ago
Wrong. Trump needs to stay firm against these Stalinist Democrats who have no right to their demands of his finances, and especially when he was a private citizen.

So once again you show that you are opposed to the Constitution.  Not very American of you.

 
 
 
arkpdx
3.1.7  arkpdx  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.6    3 months ago

Where in the constitution does it say he has to release his tax info. Please be specific. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
3.1.8  livefreeordie  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.6    3 months ago

There is nothing in the Constitution that gives Congress the right to see the finances of private citizens or the tax returns of anyone including presidents.

This is totalitarianism 

 
 
 
bbl-1
3.1.9  bbl-1  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.2    3 months ago

[delete]

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  arkpdx @3.1.4    3 months ago

President Obama was a scholar.  Rump?  Why did Rump sue to not have his released?  What does he have to hide?

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  bbl-1 @3.1.9    3 months ago

I forgot 'Peckerwoods'

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.12  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.10    3 months ago

Prove it nobody has seen his college transcripts or a single paper the supposid genius wrote while in college we do know Ted Cruz was a better student. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.13  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @3.1.12    3 months ago

Funny how some questions others' genius.  

Are you a constitutional scholar?  

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.14  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.13    3 months ago

Prove Obama is a constitutional scholar show his papers he wrote you can't he sealed them because he isn't what he claims to be.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.15  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.13    3 months ago
 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.16  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @3.1.14    3 months ago

[delete

 
 
 
JBB
3.1.17  JBB  replied to  MUVA @3.1.14    3 months ago

Oh Come Off It! President Obama graduated at the top of his class, "With Honors", from The Harvard Law School where he was The Editor of The Harvard Law Review. Then, Obama taught Constitutional Law at The University of Chicago. Obama served capably as a US Senator and then as The President of the United States of America for eight years. That makes Obama as expert as anyone regarding the US Constitution...

 
 
 
arkpdx
3.1.18  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.10    3 months ago

What dies Obama have to hide? 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
3.1.19  Ozzwald  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.8    3 months ago
There is nothing in the Constitution that gives Congress the right to see the finances of private citizens or the tax returns of anyone including presidents.

Look up the 1924 Committee Access Provision.

Or are you now going to complain that the 95 year old law is unConstitutional???

 
 
 
arkpdx
3.1.20  arkpdx  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.19    3 months ago

The "privisiin" is not part if the constitution and yes it is very possible that a 95 year old law is unconstitutional. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
3.1.21  Ozzwald  replied to  arkpdx @3.1.20    3 months ago
The "privisiin" is not part if the constitution and yes it is very possible that a 95 year old law is unconstitutional.

Way to avoid answering a question.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.21    3 months ago
Way to avoid answering a question.

What????

The "privisiin" is not part if the constitution and yes it is very possible that a 95 year old law is unconstitutional.

That was NOT an answer to this?

Or are you now going to complain that the 95 year old law is unConstitutional???

Of course it was an answer--and a good one at that!

 
 
 
arkpdx
3.1.23  arkpdx  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.21    3 months ago

What question did I avoid? 

 
 
 
arkpdx
3.1.24  arkpdx  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.22    3 months ago

Thank you! 

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
3.1.25  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Tessylo @3.1    3 months ago

That’s not how the presumption of innocence works.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
3.1.26  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  JBB @3.1.17    3 months ago

The only thing about our constitution that Obama was expert in was hating it

 
 
 
dennis smith
3.1.28  dennis smith  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.2    2 months ago

Trump this, Trump that, blah, blah,blah. Moronic chatter from the left

 
 
 
1stwarrior
3.2  1stwarrior  replied to  evilgenius @3    3 months ago

Interesting - how 'bout showing us a copy of that law, eh?

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.2.1  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @3.2    3 months ago

26 U.S. Code § 6103. Confidentiality and disclosure of returns and return information

(f) Disclosure to Committees of Congress

(1) Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation

Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

(2) Chief of Staff of Joint Committee on Taxation

Upon written request by the Chief of Staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish him with any return or return information specified in such request. Such Chief of Staff may submit such return or return information to any committee described in paragraph (1), except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

(3) Other committees

Pursuant to an action by, and upon written request by the chairman of, a committee of the Senate or the House of Representatives (other than a committee specified in paragraph (1)) specially authorized to inspect any return or return information by a resolution of the Senate or the House of Representatives or, in the case of a joint committee (other than the joint committee specified in paragraph (1)) by concurrent resolution, the Secretary shall furnish such committee, or a duly authorized and designated subcommittee thereof, sitting in closed executive session, with any return or return information which such resolution authorizes the committee or subcommittee to inspect. Any resolution described in this paragraph shall specify the purpose for which the return or return information is to be furnished and that such information cannot reasonably be obtained from any other source.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/6103

https://www.irs.gov/government-entities/indian-tribal-governments/internal-revenue-code-sections

I'm pretty sure that it's also buried in the Revenue Act of 1924

which around page 285 screws American Indians again by changing their tax status (once again) and many many pages later mentions that the Ways & Means Committee can do this

and you can google that SCOTUS used the same law to compel Richard Nixon to release his tax returns in 1974.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.1    3 months ago
and you can google that SCOTUS used the same law to compel Richard Nixon to release his tax returns in 1974.

Unless there is some compelling reason for Trump to turn over his returns, I suspect the good Justices' will not force him to comply, realizing that the requests are nothing but a political stunt and witch hunt.

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.2.3  Split Personality  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.2    3 months ago
Unless there is some compelling reason for Trump to turn over his returns, I suspect the good Justices' will not force him to comply, realizing that the requests are nothing but a political stunt and witch hunt.

I remember that some said it was a witch hunt in 1974 also, but once Nixon's returns were made public,

the IRS found many issues with Nixon's old tax returns to the tune of $432,000.00 in 1974 currency, roughly $2,400,000 in 2019.

And Nixon had only some CA & NY homes, not a real estate empire spanning the planet.

Who could have blackmailed Nixon besides Agnew?

.

National Security is priority one, is it not?

The president has businesses in many countries that aren't exactly friendly to us.

I would prefer that he voluntarily prove his businesses are clean and free from any foreign conflicts of interest,

but no, Trump has to go where no POTUS has ever gone before,

issuing a restraining order against Congress?  Really?

Suing Deutche Bank and Capital One to block their compliance with Congressional subpoenas?  Really?

His actions just reek of innocence (/s)

and his explanation is that

there are very few people smart enough to understand his taxes.  We are ALL too dumb to understand them, right?

Yeah, right.

Unless there is some compelling reason for Trump to turn over his returns,

How about re-election and shutting up all of his "detractors".

That sounds like a slam dunk reason to come clean if there's no there, there?

Agree?

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.4  Ender  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.3    3 months ago
How about re-election and shutting up all of his "detractors"

Never happen, plus his supporters don't care.

They will never care until there is another Dem president.

 
 
 
evilgenius
3.2.5  evilgenius  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.2    3 months ago
Unless there is some compelling reason for Trump to turn over his returns

His long time attorney testified before a grand jury and congress claiming Trump may have committed tax and/or bank fraud. Should it not be investigated? If Cohen is lying we should tack a few more years onto his prison term and if not Trump should suffer consequences as well.  

 
 
 
evilgenius
3.2.6  evilgenius  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.1    3 months ago

Thanks for the assist.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
3.2.7  livefreeordie  replied to  evilgenius @3.2.5    3 months ago

No because that’s not a legitimate function of Congress. That would be the IRS and DOJ

 
 
 
epistte
3.2.8  epistte  replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.7    3 months ago
No because that’s not a legitimate function of Congress. That would be the IRS and DOJ

Have you ever heard of the Ways and Means Committee?  The House of Representatives controls the purse strings of the government, so they have the power and the right to ask.

The Committee on Ways and Means is the chief tax-writing committee of the United States House of Representatives. Members of the Ways and Means Committee are not allowed to serve on any other House Committee unless they are granted a waiver from their party's congressional leadership.
 
 
 
evilgenius
3.2.9  evilgenius  replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.7    3 months ago
No because that’s not a legitimate function of Congress.

Part of Congresses duties is O V E R S I T E under which this falls.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
3.2.10  livefreeordie  replied to  epistte @3.2.8    3 months ago

Nonsense. What does the Budget of the US have to do with Trump and his family’s private businesses or tax returns.

they want all of his financials going back 4 years before he became president. This has never happened in our history.

FDR ordered that his tax returns could not be released until after his death.  JFK and LBJ also refused to let theirs be disclosed.

this is just a fascist witch hunt 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
3.2.11  livefreeordie  replied to  evilgenius @3.2.9    3 months ago

That has NOTHING to do with legitimate  oversight. What budget items or enforcement of existing laws are suspect that they accuse Trump of not carrying out

 
 
 
epistte
3.2.12  epistte  replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.10    3 months ago
Nonsense. What does the Budget of the US have to do with Trump and his family’s private businesses or tax returns.

they want all of his financials going back 4 years before he became president. This has never happened in our history.

FDR ordered that his tax returns could not be released until after his death.  JFK and LBJ also refused to let theirs be disclosed.

this is just a fascist witch hunt 

There is a legal precedent,

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/23/nixon-trump-tax-returns-1050587
 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
3.2.13  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  evilgenius @3.2.9    3 months ago

Congress has no oversight powers over private citizens.  Or members of the executive branch before they were in the executive branch.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
3.2.14  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.10    3 months ago

Key word there is fascist.  That is the intent and basis for all elected officials and their staff seeking this information.  

 
 
 
epistte
3.2.15  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @3.2.14    3 months ago
Key word there is fascist.  That is the intent and basis for all elected officials and their staff seeking this information.

The Constitutional power of Congress is to have the power of investigation of the POTUS.  There is nothing fascist involved with the Mueller investigation or the current congressional report because of the information that was uncovered by Mueller. 

At the federal level, Article I, Section 2, Clause 5 of the Constitution grants to the House of Representatives "the sole power of impeachment",

 Is the US Constitution in itself fascist, or is the power to investigate the POTUS only permitted when the POTUS is a Democrat?

 
 
 
evilgenius
3.2.16  evilgenius  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @3.2.13    3 months ago
Congress has no oversight powers over private citizens.

The POTUS is not a private citizen. 

 
 
 
evilgenius
3.2.17  evilgenius  replied to  livefreeordie @3.2.11    3 months ago
That has NOTHING to do with legitimate  oversight.

Annndd you got your law degree from where?

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
3.2.18  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  epistte @3.2.15    3 months ago

Mueller and impeachment were not the subject of the thread.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
3.2.19  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  evilgenius @3.2.16    3 months ago

No, but he was and Congress has no oversight powers over Trump or his life or family before 1-20-2017.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
3.2.20  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  evilgenius @3.2.17    3 months ago

Maybe he got it from the same place you got yours?    

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.3  Greg Jones  replied to  evilgenius @3    3 months ago

They have no valid reasons to see them. There is no evidence that a crime has been committed, and as a sitting president he is not subject to this kind of procedure. As is evident to EVERYBODY, this is simple another lame attempt to dig up dirt on the president. They are brazenly attempting to go around the LAW by attempting to see these personal and private records for simply political reasons.

 
 
 
evilgenius
3.3.1  evilgenius  replied to  Greg Jones @3.3    3 months ago
They have no valid reasons to see them.

There are all kinds of claims of fraud and impropriety in Trumps business dealings. 

...and as a sitting president he is not subject to this kind of procedure.

False. There's an actual law that spells it out and it's posted somewhere in this thread.

...this is simple another lame attempt to dig up dirt on the president.

Duh! Of course it is. Find a whiff of a rumor and investigate it until it's dead. Use every innuendo to discredit your opponent. The GoP started this shit with Whitewater, ramped it up with Obama and H.Clinton and now here we are.

They are brazenly attempting to go around the LAW by attempting to see these personal and private records for simply political reasons.

You guys keep claiming it's unlawful, but the law has already been posted here and you can read it for yourself. Trump is just hoping to keep his skeletons in the closet as long as he can. Deutchebank has already said they will comply with all Congressional supeona.

Anyway the 2nd District of NY will have everything in a neat little binder waiting whenever Trump's ass hits the curb.

 
 
 
zuksam
3.4  zuksam  replied to  evilgenius @3    3 months ago
The law gives the Congressional Committee the right to look at anyone's IRS documents.

If that were true then all they would need to do is ask the IRS for them. If the FBI or any other Government Agency wanted my Tax Returns they wouldn't ask me they'd ask the IRS. If they had a Legitimate Legal reason the IRS would give them the returns so the fact that they haven't released Trumps returns must mean there is no Legitimate Legal Reason.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
3.4.1  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  zuksam @3.4    3 months ago

No legitimate reason is exactly right.  

 
 
 
evilgenius
3.4.2  evilgenius  replied to  zuksam @3.4    3 months ago
If that were true then all they would need to do is ask the IRS for them.

Which they did and Munuchin ordered the IRS (which is his area of oversite) to stand down and said he would defy the law. 

If the FBI or any other Government Agency wanted my Tax Returns they wouldn't ask me they'd ask the IRS.

The law states a specific Congressional Oversite Committees. The FBI and other entities need a warrant or subpoena depending on the reasons. 

If they had a Legitimate Legal reason the IRS would give them the returns...

Cohen claims Trump may have committed fraud by claiming some things are worth more when using it as loan collateral and less when claiming it for tax purposes. I'm no tax or banking lawyer, but that's probably fraud and should be investigated. If Cohen is found to be lying then we should tack a few more years onto his prison term, if not the Trump has some explaining to do. 

 
 
 
zuksam
3.4.3  zuksam  replied to  evilgenius @3.4.2    3 months ago
Cohen claims Trump may have committed fraud by claiming some things are worth more when using it as loan collateral and less when claiming it for tax purposes. I'm no tax or banking lawyer, but that's probably fraud and should be investigated

None of that information is in his Federal Tax Return. Income is Taxed by the IRS, Assets are Taxed by Local Government, and any claims to the value of assets for purposes of collateral made to Banks are in the Bank Records not on his Tax Return. So if that was their reason for requesting the records I can see why they were refused.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4  The Magic Eight Ball    3 months ago

after the failed coup attempt straight out of the communist playbook/

trump can straight up tell all dems with all their investigations to simply fuk off and there is nothing they can do about it.  but, there will be much gnashing of teeth from the demoncrats and that is daily music to my ears.

trump should sue congress for abuse of power...    that would be hilarious

cheers :)

 
 
 
epistte
4.1  epistte  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4    3 months ago

What was the date of this coup attempt and who was the leader? When is the trial for treason and insurrection scheduled?

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
4.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  epistte @4.1    3 months ago

The coup attempt is ongoing by the deep state.   The leader was President Obama and the trial for insurrection and treason will be scheduled once all the investigations by the IG and current AG are complete.  

 
 
 
epistte
4.1.2  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @4.1.1    3 months ago
The coup attempt is ongoing by the deep state.   The leader was President Obama and the trial for insurrection and treason will be scheduled once all the investigations by the IG and current AG are complete.

Are MAGA hats available in a foiled lined version

There is no deep state.

On what date did this supposed coup happen?

AG Barr is in serious jeopardy himself for his attempt to act as Trump's personal attorney and to downplay the scope of evidence that Bob Mueller's investigation discovered. 

 
 
 
lib50
4.1.3  lib50  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @4.1.1    3 months ago

That is ridiculous.   I dion't even know how to respond sometimes to the delusional bullshit conservatives come up with.  I'll put Obama under a real investigation any day, because  I already know the gop did their level best to find something to get him on.  And they got nothing.  Republicans are the ones trying to hide things.  The ones lying (because repeating Trump lies is lying).  They want to hide, they want to protect Trump, they want to pretend this is about Hillary's emails or other stupid shit.  Bring on real investigations.  But Trump will continue to be investigated by congress, rightfully so since its their constitutional job.  Bring it on.  Not a doubt where the treason lies.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
4.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  epistte @4.1.2    3 months ago

Barr is in no legal jeopardy whatsoever.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
4.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  lib50 @4.1.3    3 months ago

The treason lies with Obama and HRC.  

 
 
 
epistte
4.1.6  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @4.1.4    3 months ago
 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
4.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  epistte @4.1.6    3 months ago

John Dean??  Lol 😂!

 
 
 
epistte
4.1.8  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @4.1.7    3 months ago
John Dean??  Lol 😂!

John Dean isn't a liberal. He was Tricky Dick's legal mouthpiece and fix-it man.

John Wesley Dean III is a former attorney who served as White House Counsel for United States President Richard Nixon from July 1970 until April 1973, where he became deeply involved in events leading up to the Watergate burglaries and the subsequent Watergate scandal cover-up.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.1.9  livefreeordie  replied to  epistte @4.1.8    3 months ago

John Dean has been a leftist for more than 40 years.  Nixon was a leftist 

Dean has been a regular on far left programs like Democracy Now for decades

I don't know why the left despises one of their greatest champions in Nixon

"If Nixon Were Alive Today, He Would Be Far Too Liberal to Get Even the Democratic Nomination

Richard Nixon was our last liberal president. – Noam Chomsky

Nixon posted an objective record that we can use for purposes of comparison. Consider (and forgive me for repeating some of what I wrote three years ago here):

  • He got us out of Vietnam.
  • He was a keen foreign policy type whose diplomatic efforts strengthened our relationships with both established and emerging world powers.
  • He implemented the first significant federal affirmative action program.
  • He dramatically increased spending on federal employee salaries.
  • He oversaw the first large-scale integration of public schools in the South (something the crackers where I grew up were none too happy about).
  • He proposed a guaranteed annual wage (aka a “negative income tax”).
  • He advocated comprehensive national health insurance (single payer) for all Americans.
  • He imposed wage and price controls in times of economic crisis. This wasn’t a terribly good idea, but it was the furthest thing from a conservative idea. Truth is, it was positively socialist.
  • He indexed Social Security for inflation and created Supplemental Security Income.
  • He created the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), and the Office of Minority Business Enterprise.
  • He promoted the Legacy of Parks program.
  • He appointed four Supreme Court Justices. Three of them voted with the majority in Roe v. Wade.
  • http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/641730/if_nixon_were_alive_today,_he_would_be_far_too_liberal_to_get_even_the_democratic_nomination
 
 
 
epistte
4.1.10  epistte  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.9    3 months ago
John Dean has been a leftist for more than 40 years.  Nixon was a leftist 

You lost all credibility with this claim.

Everybody except Attila the Hun, Constantine and Torquemada would be a leftist to you. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.1.11  livefreeordie  replied to  epistte @4.1.10    3 months ago

So the fact that I agree with  a radical leftist like Noam Chomsky on Nixon being a leftist means I have no credibility? That makes yours suspect at best.

Nixon never did anything that was conservative which is why I left the GOP in 1970

Dean has been a regular with Amy Goodman’s radical leftist program Democracy Now for many years

Dean writes columns for Alexander Cockburn’s Communist/Stalinist Counterpunch

i yet to ever hear a defense of anything conservative by Dean in the past. 45 years

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.1.12  livefreeordie  replied to  epistte @4.1.10    3 months ago

Substantive debate too difficult for you?

Everybody except Attila the Hun, Constantine and Torquemada would be a leftist to you.“

Those you mention we’re all totalitarians who have nothing to do with conservatism. I think it’s apparent you know nothing about conservatism. That leaves you wandering off into straw man and red herring arguments

 
 
 
epistte
4.1.13  epistte  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.12    3 months ago
Those you mention we’re all totalitarians who have nothing to do with conservatism. I think it’s apparent you know nothing about conservatism. That leaves you wandering off into straw man and red herring arguments

You like Donald Trump and he also supports totalitarian ideas such as limiting the freedom of the press and free speech, his support of the Alt-Right/Neo-nazis, and ignoring critical concepts of the US Constitution. 

You claim to support via a very bizarre interpretation of the US Constitution but your ideas have much more in common with the failed Articles of Confederation that created a weak federal government. That document was replaced because it wasn't workable, even in the 1780s.   Your fiscal ideas make Ayn Rand look liberal and yet you claim to be a Christian. You use the internet but at the same time, you oppose the federal government's support of higher learning and research that created it and governs it. I assume that you send all mail by UPS because using the USPS would be the support of a unionized socialist enterprise. 

 You support an exceedingly illogical contradiction of revisionist ideas you expect everyone to ignore that core idea. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
4.1.14  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  epistte @4.1.13    3 months ago

“You like Donald Trump and he also supports totalitarian ideas such as limiting the freedom of the press and free speech, his support of the Alt-Right/Neo-nazis, and ignoring critical concepts of the US Constitution.”   none of the above is true about Trump or any of us here who support him now.  

 
 
 
epistte
4.1.15  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @4.1.14    3 months ago

Denial isn't a river in Egypt.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
5  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו    3 months ago

What a hoot!!! Good luck with that, SCUMBAG!!

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
5.1  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @5    3 months ago

Which one?  Obama or Clinton?  

 
 
 
bbl-1
6  bbl-1    3 months ago

Interesting.  So 'the Trump's' tactic is to be a private citizen?  Holy Crackers!!!!!!!!  Indict him.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
6.1  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  bbl-1 @6    3 months ago

On what charges?  Winning the 2016 election over your objection?  

 
 
 
Ender
7  Ender    3 months ago

First of all, trump is no longer a 'private' citizen.

Second, if Obama or Hillary had filed a restraining order against a member of congress, the right would be screaming mad.

Oh the joy to be had when the tables are turned and I can hear all the hypocritical bullshit.

You all keep setting precedent that is going to bite you in the ass.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
7.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Ender @7    3 months ago

First of all, the left no longer has any credibility.

second, the left has lost all respect

Oh the joy to be had when the tables are turned

when the gop sponsors an overthrow of an election and our govt?  get back to us then.

You all keep setting precedent that is going to bite you in the ass.

stopping the lefts coup attempt is a precedent that needs setting in a very big way.

and ya aint see nothing yet.

before the year is out some very big names are going down

thinking the left could attempt a coup and then carry on like nothing happened is silly.

enjoy :)

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @7.1    3 months ago

The democrat coup attempt has been exposed and its perps need to be publicly punished.

 
 
 
epistte
7.1.2  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @7.1.1    3 months ago
The democrat coup attempt has been exposed and its perps need to be publicly punished.

Was the Starr report also a coup, or is it different when the GOP investigates the POTUS? 

Could Hillary or Obama, who are both lawyers, have stopped the Benghazi investigation by filing a restraining order against Congress? 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
7.1.3  livefreeordie  replied to  epistte @7.1.2    3 months ago

The Starr report was required as a law specifically passed by Congress.

 
 
 
epistte
7.1.4  epistte  replied to  livefreeordie @7.1.3    3 months ago
The Starr report was required as a law specifically passed by Congress.

The Starr report was also approved by the AG.

 
 
 
lib50
7.1.5  lib50  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @7.1.1    3 months ago

Do you know you repeat Russian propaganda with the term 'coup'?  There is a reason Trump started calling it that, and you repeat it.  Looks like they still have the gop in their pocket.  Trump takes propaganda from the trolls, repeats it and its picked up and repeated on right wing media.  They've been doing it for years now. Look at those familiar words. (this is from last year, still relevant)  Deep state.  Coup.  Blaming Obama.  Well done helping them out! 

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/06/russia-twitter-hashtags-deep-state-395928

Last weekend, a host of new hashtags trended in the network of accounts monitored by Hamilton 68, including #fisagate, #obamadeepstate, #wethepeopledemandjustice, #thememorevealsthecoup and even #obamaslegacyisobamagate.
 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.2  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Ender @7    3 months ago

Trump is going to keep Congress and others tied up in lawsuits through the beginning of 2025.  

 
 
 
lib50
7.2.1  lib50  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @7.2    3 months ago

Oh, he'll be in lawsuits, that is for sure.  Not like you think though.  Why do you think Trump is trying so hard to stop the world from knowing what he did?  Innocent people don't behave the way he does.  Guilty mob bosses do though.  Money laundering, tax evasion, I bet prosecutors are just waiting for Trump be out of office.  So far republicans have shown themselves to be more interested in their power than in serving this county. 

 
 
 
cjcold
7.2.2  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @7.2    3 months ago

Seems Trump will go to any lengths to hide his numerous crimes. This "coup" is just getting started.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
7.2.3  livefreeordie  replied to  lib50 @7.2.1    3 months ago

Nope. Finally in Trump we have someone standing up to both the Marxist anti-American Democratic Party and the Deep State.  Both are enemies of the Republic and liberty

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.2.4  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  cjcold @7.2.2    3 months ago

All those numerous so called crimes that no one could find from the day Trump announced he was running for President until he was elected?  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.2.5  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  cjcold @7.2.2    3 months ago

What coup is just getting started?  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.2.6  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  livefreeordie @7.2.3    3 months ago

You are 100% correct and right on.  Trump is the great defender of Heartland America and traditional values America holds.  The deep state establishment of both parties are hostile to us.  

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
7.2.7  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  cjcold @7.2.2    3 months ago
This "coup" is just getting started.

LOL the standard progressive bs, blame others for that which they do... so predictable.

the left has lost the narrative, lost control of the process, and are now losing their minds.

unlike trump/russia and your claim of a trump/coup... 

 people in obamas admin are going down very hard.

the only real fun left will be watching to see who falls on their swords? who talks? and how high up do we get?   as there is already sworn testimony from lisa page that obama knew what was going on.  we are going for the top.

I find it interesting how the left telegraphs their actions by blaming others while hiding in plain sight. 

what was obamas secret service name?  do you remember?

https://www.bing.com/search?q=obama+secret+service+name&

ren·e·gade

  (rĕn′ĭ-gād′)

n.
1. One who rejects a religion, cause, allegiance, or group for another; a deserter.
2. An outlaw; a rebel.
adj.
Of, relating to, or resembling a renegade; traitorous.
intr.v. ren·e·gad·ed, ren·e·gad·ing, ren·e·gades
To become a deserter or an outlaw.

that is kind of ironic huh? that is exactly how history will remember him.

just curious, do ya think this tweet will age well?

512

 

 

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.2.8  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @7.2.7    3 months ago
'LOL the standard progressive bs, blame others for that which they do... so predictable.'

Projection!

jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif
'people in obamas admin are going down very hard.'
Who?
When?

Actually it's the people in the turd Rump's admin who are going down hard on the turd Rump

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
7.2.9  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Tessylo @7.2.8    3 months ago
Actually

no... LOL

but, you should try comedy :)

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.2.10  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Tessylo @7.2.8    2 months ago

That comment has no value to any objective form of rational discussion or civil dialogue here.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
7.2.11  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @7.2.10    2 months ago

That's going under the assumption that the person in question is capable of any non hateful objective form of rational discussion or civil dialogue except to those that share their particular narrow minded political views. I have seen little evidence to the contrary in their posts, especially if it involves Trump....

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
7.2.12  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @7.2.11    2 months ago

Good points all. And you are 100% correct.  I doubt if a post loaded with such sexual innuendos about Obama and his followers would have survived a no value or sweeping generalization deletion....

 
 
 
bugsy
8  bugsy    2 months ago

I'm curious...

Besides resign or be impeached, or some other wet liberal dream, what could President Trump do that will make liberals happy?

Is a booming economy not enough?

Is the lowest unemployment EVER not enough?

Is the lowest unemployment of ALL minorities EVER not enough?

How about manufacturing jobs coming back at a high level? Is that enough?

I'd like serious responses, if you can.

 
 
 
dennis smith
8.1  dennis smith  replied to  bugsy @8    2 months ago

The dem supporters have left the room as they have nothing of substance to respond with 

 
 
 
bugsy
8.1.1  bugsy  replied to  dennis smith @8.1    2 months ago

I see that. 11 hours in and I usually get some incoherent response or an attack. Neither has happened. It looks like the democrats running for president know they don't have a chance in hell to beat Trump, but are probably just trying to juggle for a top position in the 2024 election.

Most have zero name recognition, so trying to go as radical left as possible might bring them a little recognition for the future. Unfortunately for them, the republican nominee will be riding the coattails of the 8 years of successes of Trump, and easily be elected, and the democratic (liberal/prog) party will be like the Whig party...nothing but a footnote in history books.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
8.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  bugsy @8.1.1    2 months ago

Eight years of President Trump.....I like that idea. Let’s make it happen. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
8.2  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  bugsy @8    2 months ago

not to mention finally getting real wage growth.  And the biggest wage growth percentage wise happening for those at the bottom end of the pay scale.   

 
 
 
Dulay
9  Dulay    2 months ago
First, it’s important to understand that Trump is fighting against Cummings and his subpoena as a private citizen of the United States and not as the President.

What an utter load of BULLSHIT. 

First, it's important to understand that the Trump ORGANIZATION is the entity that is suing Cummings, NOT Trump the 'private citizen'. Strike one. 

Secondly, his lawyer's ONLY argument is that Cummings' motivation is purely political. Strike two. 

Thirdly, I'm old enough to remember Whitewater and the GOP investigating Clinton for shit that happened before he was POTUS. The courts ruled in FAVOR of subpoenas for testimony AND documents. Strike three. 

Star investigated for 3.5 years and filed a report that barely mentioned Whitewater. As Barr and Rudy would say, no 'underlying crime'.

Now THAT was a witch hunt...

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @9    2 months ago
Thirdly, I'm old enough to remember Whitewater and the GOP investigating Clinton for shit that happened before he was POTUS. The courts ruled in FAVOR of subpoenas for testimony AND documents. Strike three.
Star investigated for 3.5 years and filed a report that barely mentioned Whitewater. As Barr and Rudy would say, no 'underlying crime'.
Now THAT was a witch hunt...

Oooh, nice deflection!

 
 
 
bugsy
9.2  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @9    2 months ago
the Trump ORGANIZATION is the entity that is suing Cummings

So what? The Trump ORGANIZATION was run by D Trump when he was a private citizen, not as President, so essentially, he is suing as a private citizen.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.1  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @9.2    2 months ago

[Removed

 
 
 
MUVA
9.2.2  MUVA  replied to  Dulay @9.2.1    2 months ago

Now folks this is actual irony.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
9.2.3  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  bugsy @9.2    2 months ago

Exactly right.  Also after Clinton was subjected to what democrats used the independent council law to do to Reagan and Bush 41, Democrats agreed with Republicans to repeal the law creating that kind of independent council.  The courts will look differently upon congress demanding records of a then private citizen compared to an independent council with unlimited scope.  

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.4  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @9.2.3    2 months ago
The courts will look differently upon congress demanding records of a then private citizen

History the courts have supported Congress'  gathering of documents from private citizens.

compared to an independent council with unlimited scope.

What lead you to the conclusion that an independent counsel had unlimited scope Xx? 

The order appointing Ken Starr LIMITS the scope for his investigation, JUST LIKE Rosenstein's did for Mueller's investigation.  

You might want to review some FACTS before you make more ridiculous comments.

 
 
 
Dulay
10  Dulay    2 months ago
Oooh, nice deflection!

You seem to have missed the connection Tex. Here let me help. 

From the article:

The information that Cummings is demanding in his subpoena has nothing to do with the White House or Trump’s actions as President.

Whitewater had nothing to do with the White House or Clinton's actions as President. 

Hope that helps. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.1  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @10    2 months ago
You seem to have missed the connection Tex.

Not at all. I just know that Clinton doesn't have a damn thing to do with this, despite what you may wish.

Whitewater had nothing to do with the White House or Clinton's actions as President.

Very, very good. Did I ever say otherwise? Surely you aren't trying to debate a point no one is disputing, are you?

Hope that helps.

It is good for you to have hope. But since I didn't need nor ask for your help, it is rather odd.

 
 
 
Dulay
10.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1    2 months ago
Not at all. I just know that Clinton doesn't have a damn thing to do with this, despite what you may wish.

That's obtuse. There aren't that many examples of how the Congress and the Courts have address alleged misconduct by the Executive branch. The Clinton Whitewater investigation is one of those few examples. So despite YOUR deep desire to ignore that FACT, it is a FACT non the less. 

Very, very good. Did I ever say otherwise? Surely you aren't trying to debate a point no one is disputing, are you?

Well gee Tex, you just said that 'Clinton doesn't have a damn thing to do with this' yet as my comment proves, how the Congress and the Courts addressed the Whitewater subpoenas IS a relevant precedent for predicting how they will address Trump's BS suit.  

It is good for you to have hope.

When it comes to having a good faith debate with you, it dwindles every day. Yet that won't stop me from addressing trolling. 

But since I didn't need nor ask for your help, it is rather odd.

Your misrepresentation, that my comment was a deflection, required correction. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @10.1.1    2 months ago

No misrepresentation on my part.

If you think Clinton has something to do with this, then you are seriously misguided.

Pity.

Still waiting on that quote from you, BTFW.

 
 
 
MUVA
10.1.3  MUVA  replied to  Dulay @10.1.1    2 months ago

That is a misuse of the word obtuse.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
10.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Dulay @10.1.1    2 months ago

The difference is that now it’s just congress seeking personal private records of the executive before the executive ran for or held a political office. With no more post watergate independent council law, the courts are not yet involved.  Congress has no legitimate legislative purpose in spying upon the private records of a person when they were a private citizen.  

 
 
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