Why Biden and the Democrats Cannot Admit They Lied

  
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Why Biden and the Democrats Cannot Admit They Lied
In the wake of the attack, President Trump condemned “in the strongest possible terms” the “egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence” in Charlottesville. He called the driver of the car a “disgrace to himself, his family, and his country” and called the attack “terrorism” and “murder.” He called the attackers actions a “horrible, horrible, inexcusable thing” and he flatly “condemned neo-Nazis” and “white supremacists.”

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Ahorrific attack in Charlottesville, Virginia on August 12, 2017 left a young woman dead after a man deliberately plowed a car into a group of protesters.

In the wake of the attack, President Trump condemned “in the strongest possible terms” the “egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence” in Charlottesville. He called the driver of the car a “disgrace to himself, his family, and his country” and called the attack “terrorism” and “murder.” He called the attackers actions a “horrible, horrible, inexcusable thing” and he flatly “condemned neo-Nazis” and “white supremacists.”

But the president also cautioned against making broad generalizations about all of the people involved in the various protests in Charlottesville, noting that there were people who showed up simply to protest the removal of the statue of Robert E. Lee and that there were some violent “alt-left” protesters who “came charging with clubs in their hands.”

He stressed that people did not know “all of the facts” and they should not judge everyone who attended it with the prejudice that one side was pure evil and the other pure goodness. As things usually are in politics, it was more complicated than the narrative the media was selling.


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President Trump said that there were some “very fine people, on both sides” of the Robert E. Lee statue debate.

Asked whether he was saying that the press had “treated white nationalists unfairly,” President Trump explicitly said that he was not talking about white nationalists.

“No, no. There were people . . . protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day, it looked like they had some rough, bad people—neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest, because you know—I don’t know if you know—they had a permit. So, I only tell you this, there are two sides to a story.”

President Trump clearly and unequivocally denounced neo-Nazis, white nationalists, and all perpetrators of violence. He also acknowledged that there were legitimate protestors on both sides of the statue debate. Many people protesting the removal of Lee’s statue were not neo-Nazis or white nationalists.

But this level of nuance and reasonability was too much for the corporate leftist media to handle. They insisted that President Trump was a deranged simpleton who deliberately was stoking a race war and they would give no succor to any suggestion to the contrary which might shatter their facile narrative that Trump supporters were primarily motivated by bigoted animus. The truth flatly refuted the talking points that media pundits and political operatives had parroted for years. Can’t have that.

And so, they simply refused to accept that Trump had said what he said. They took brief snippets out of context and ran them ad nauseam. With sanctimonious outrage, they browbeat anyone who dared to elucidate the full context of Trump’s remarks with such force and vigor that even many formerly steadfast Trump supporters bucked under the pressure.

Notably, days after the Charlottesville attack and President Trump’s comments, Julius Krein—the founding editor of American Affairs and one of those pseudo-intellectuals who strived to make “Trumpism” palatable for his peers by watering it down and cloaking it in academic babble—wrote a columnfor the New York Times titled, “I Voted for Trump. And I Sorely Regret It.” No doubt Krein’s Harvard buddies made it clear to him that his quixotic escapade into Trumpism had gone far enough; if he prostrated himself on the altar of the media, he might be rehabilitated and allowed back into polite society.

But all of this is old news. There is no shortage of piecesnew and old—that dissect the Charlottesville liewith painstaking meticulousness and catalog all those who acquiesced to it.

And this is why the continued blatant use of the same lie for nearly two years is so galling.

Most recently, former Vice President Joe Biden repeated the lie in his video announcing his candidacy for president. Not only did he repeat it, he cited the mangled misinterpretation of Trump’s comments as one of his prime motivations for running. His campaign is literally based on fake news.

Even Biden can’t be that clueless. And the media pundits who parroted the lie for nearly two years and still persist in the lie must know that they are blatantly ignoring context.

But they can’t ever admit this lie or, to put it more charitably, that they were simply mistaken. If they do, the entire delusion justifying their Trump outrage comes crashing down. They know that their swastika-wearing, cross-burning caricature of Trump supporters would go up in smoke and they would have to explain to the country why they spent the past three years slandering half of the electorate.

In the final analysis, this inability to acknowledge their errors is an assault on truth that is far more dangerous to the country than the miniscule population of real white supremacists ever actually could be. In their power-at-all-costs calculation, there is no room for truth, nuance, decency, or civility. And this, above all other things, explains the hateful character of our politics today.

God help them if they ever were to face the scrutiny and malice to which they have subjected President Trump and his supporters.

So God help them.

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XXJefferson#51
1  seeder  XXJefferson#51    3 weeks ago

“But all of this is old news. There is no shortage of piecesnew and old—that dissect the Charlottesville liewith painstaking meticulousness and catalog all those who acquiesced to it.

And this is why the continued blatant use of the same lie for nearly two years is so galling.

Most recently, former Vice President Joe Biden repeated the lie in his video announcing his candidacy for president. Not only did he repeat it, he cited the mangled misinterpretation of Trump’s comments as one of his prime motivations for running. His campaign is literally based on fake news.

Even Biden can’t be that clueless. And the media pundits who parroted the lie for nearly two years and still persist in the lie must know that they are blatantly ignoring context.

But they can’t ever admit this lie or, to put it more charitably, that they were simply mistaken. If they do, the entire delusion justifying their Trump outrage comes crashing down. They know that their swastika-wearing, cross-burning caricature of Trump supporters would go up in smoke and they would have to explain to the country why they spent the past three years slandering half of the electorate.

In the final analysis, this inability to acknowledge their errors is an assault on truth that is far more dangerous to the country than the miniscule population of real white supremacists ever actually could be. In their power-at-all-costs calculation, there is no room for truth, nuance, decency, or civility. And this, above all other things, explains the hateful character of our politics today.”

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @1    3 weeks ago

Hilarious you talk about democrats lying when the turd in chief has been documented lying or making misleading comments 10,000 times since 2017.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

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Tacos!
6  Tacos!    3 weeks ago

It doesn't matter how many times you try to ask about context or completeness. The obsessive TDS people will just put their fingers in their ears and insist, "but he said . . ." And if you try to encourage a more complete examination of his words, you'll be accused of supporting nazis.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @6    3 weeks ago

We have seen enough of disinformation from the right. All we know is that it has to be fought. 

The rally in Charlottesville was organized by white nationalist groups and white supremacists. That is a FACT. 

When the violence broke out because white racists were marching through the streets of Charlottesville Virginia ,Trump needed to belittle the event,"both sides", in order to placate his white nationalist following.  That is the fact as well. It was very much akin to when he pretended to not know who David Duke was. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    3 weeks ago
We have seen enough of disinformation from the right.

The media and the Left keep claiming that Trump said nazis and white supremacists are fine people. That's not just disinformation. That's a lie.

the violence broke out because white raciosts were marching through the streets of Charlottesville Virginia

People on the left showed up with clubs, eggs, and balloons filled with urine. Is that supposed to be a peaceful demonstration? It's not. Those were people seeking a fight.

The rally in Charlottesville was organized by white nationalist groups and white supremacists. That is a FACT.

And Trump said white nationalists and neo-nazis "should be condemned totally." That is a FACT.

https://youtu.be/JmaZR8E12bs?t=117

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.1    3 weeks ago

Trump has tried, hard, to suggest that the rally in Virginia was to support a "great general", and that is all it was. 

That rally was to express white nationalism. The person who organized the rally is a white supremacist. 

There may have been a few "good people" there out of the naive idea that the rally was to preserve a "historical" statue, but that is not what the event was about. 

Trump did not have the balls to call out white nationalism. He did not even tweet about the tiki torch march the night before. He practically had to be dragged kicking and screaming to comment on the Saturday riot at all. 

It's the same motivation as when he sat there and lied and pretended to not know who David Duke was.  Dog whistling to his racist followers. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.2    3 weeks ago
Trump has tried, hard, to suggest that the rally in Virginia was to support a "great general", and that is all it was

That is not true. Watch the video I linked to above. He never said Charlottesville was only about supporting a great general.

Trump did not have the balls to call out white nationalism

I'm sorry, but you are lying or you didn't watch the video I linked for you. He literally said white nationalists "should be condemned totally." It's right there. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.3    3 weeks ago
President Trump doubled down Friday on his infamous claim that there were “fine people” on both sides of the deadly Charlottesville protests in 2017, arguing the comment was “perfect” because Robert E. Lee was “a great general.”

Trump made the Confederacy-embracing defense one day after Joe Biden launched his 2020 campaign with a sharp rebuke of the president’s post-Charlottesville statement, which critics say equated neo-Nazis and white supremacists with those who oppose their hateful ideologies.

“If you look at what I said you will see that that question was answered perfectly,” Trump told reporters outside the White House. “I was talking about people that went because they felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee, a great general, whether you like it or not.”

To this day, it remains unclear which “fine people” Trump spoke of, considering most attendants at the Aug. 12, 2017 “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Va., were adherents of racist and white supremacist groups. https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-trump-robert-lee-great-general-fine-people-biden-20190426-x76iwbqrgbginnbxyf6pl6vsze-story.html

The news reports prior to Trump making his initial comments about Charlottesville were about torchlit white supremacist rallies and a riot over the Nazis marching through town, the news was not about "a great general". 

One has to wonder about Trump supporters who so willfully pull the wool over their own and everone else's eyes. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.5  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.4    3 weeks ago
The news reports prior to Trump making his initial comments about Charlottesville were about

Trump is not responsible for news reports when the reporters do not include his full thoughts or just invent something about what was going on in his head. If Trump truly supported white nationalists and neo-nazis he would not have said they should be condemned totally.

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.6  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.4    3 weeks ago
the news was not about "a great general"

You seriously don't know what you are talking about or you are willfully ignoring facts. Whatever the news you read is covering doesn't change the fact that this was supposed to be about removing a statue of Robert E. Lee from the local park. The issue had been discussed for some time already, and not just there, but all over the South.

This was in the New York Times.

The Statue at the Center of Charlottesville’s Storm

At the center of the chaos is a statue memorializing Robert E. Lee.

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over the past couple of years some residents and city officials, along with organizations like the N.A.A.C.P., had called for it to come down.

One local official made a similar suggestion as early as 2012 and quickly discovered that emotions surrounding the issue run deep.

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At a talk given by the author and historian Edward Ayers, a Charlottesville city councilor, Kristin Szakos, asked about the city’s Confederate monuments. She wondered whether the city should discuss removing them.

People around her gasped. “You would have thought I had asked if it was O.K. to torture puppies,” she recalled during a 2013 conversation on BackStory, a podcast supported by the Virginia Foundation for the Humanities.

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By 2015, debates about Confederate flags and monuments were heating up in Southern states including South Carolina, Texas and LouisianaThose who favored removal saw the symbols as monuments to white supremacy, but their opponents accused them of trying to erase history.

None of that was about Neo-nazis or white supremacy. And, as you can see, they managed to debate the topic on and off for about five years, without resorting to violence.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.6    3 weeks ago

Emotions run deep over a statue?  More like racism runs deep.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.8  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.7    3 weeks ago

And that's an argument you can make, but the fact is this was - for a long time - a peaceful debate about statues, and not simply a violent demonstration by neo-nazis. It is also a fact that Trump condemned the neo-nazis and white supremacists. We have it on video and people want to ignore it so they can spread the lie that Trump endorses those things.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.8    3 weeks ago

Right.  NOT

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.8    3 weeks ago

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Tacos!
6.1.11  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.9    3 weeks ago

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Tacos!
6.1.12  Tacos!  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.10    3 weeks ago

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JohnRussell
6.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.6    3 weeks ago

Among the far-right groups engaged in organizing the march were the Stormer Book Clubs (SBCs) of the neo-Nazi news website The Daily Stormer,[50]The Right Stuff,[51] the National Policy Institute,[52] and four groups that form the Nationalist Front:[49] the neo-Confederate League of the South,[49] the neo-Nazi groups Traditionalist Worker Party,[53]Vanguard America,[53] and the National Socialist Movement.[49] Other groups involved in the rally were the Ku Klux Klan (specifically theLoyal White Knights and the Confederate White Knights branches)[54] ,[21] the Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights,[53] the American Identitarian group Identity Evropa,[55] the Southern California-based fight club Rise Above Movement,[56][57] the American Guard,[19] the Detroit Right Wings – misappropriating the name of the Detroit Red Wings NHL team, which usage was condemned by the team,[58][59] True Cascadia,[60] the Canadian-based ARM (Alt-Right Montreal) and Hammer Brothers,[61]and Anti-Communist Action.[19]

Prominent far-right figures in attendance included National Policy Institute Chairman and white supremacist Richard Spencer,[62] entertainer and internet troll Baked Alaska,[62] former Libertarian Party candidate Augustus Invictus,[63] former Ku Klux Klan Imperial Wizard David Duke,[64] Identity Evropa leader Nathan Damigo,[65]Traditionalist Workers Party leader Matthew Heimbach,[62]Right Stuff founderMike Enoch,[62] Eric Striker of The Daily Stormer,[66] League of the South founder and leader Michael Hill,[9]Red Ice host and founder Henrik Palmgren,[67]The Rebel Media commentator Faith Goldy,[68]Right Side Broadcasting Network host Nick Fuentes,[69] YouTube personality James Allsup,[69]AltRight.com editor Daniel Friberg,[70] former Business Insider CTO Pax Dickinson,[71]Right Stuff blogger Johnny Monoxide,[72]Daily Stormer writers Robert "Azzmador" Ray and Gabriel "Zeiger" Sohier-Chaput,[73]Daily Caller contributor and rally organizer Jason Kessler,[74] and Radical Agenda host Christopher Cantwell.[75][76]Gavin McInnes, the leader of the self-described "Western chauvinist" Proud Boys was invited to attend but declined because of an unwillingness "to be associated with explicit neo-Nazis" although the militia wing of the group the aforementioned Fraternal Order of the Alt-Knights did attend.[20] In June, ahead of the rally, McInnes declared that "we need to distance ourselves from them", but "after backlash to the original disavowal flared-up from Alt-Right circles, the statement was withdrawn and replaced with another distancing the Proud Boys from the event yet also encouraging those who 'feel compelled' to attend".[77]

Airbnb cancelled a number of bookings and accounts when it learned that they were being used by attendees at the rally, citing a request that users endorse a commitment to "accept people regardless of their race, religion, national origin, ethnicity, disability, sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, or age".[78]

Militias[edit]

Numerous armed, right-wing militia groups were present at the rally, claiming to be there to protect the First Amendment rights of the demonstrators. Groups involved included the Pennsylvania Light Foot Militia,[79] the New York Light Foot Militia,[80] the Virginia Minutemen Militia,[81] and the 3 Percenters.[82]

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
6.1.14  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.1    3 weeks ago
e media and the Left keep claiming that Trump said nazis and white supremacists are fine people. That's not just disinformation. That's a lie.

It is if they have basic literacy skills.  Unfortunately, that's not the case for all. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
6.1.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.13    3 weeks ago

That's quite the list

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.16  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.13    3 weeks ago
Among the far-right groups engaged in organizing the march

You are ignoring everything I am saying and posting. It doesn't matter if Hitler himself rose from the dead and went to the event. Trump condemned those people.

Say it with me: "Trump said white nationalists and neo-nazis should be condemned totally."

Come on John, you can do it. Speak the truth.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.16    3 weeks ago

No, he didn't condemn those people.  

Speak the truth.  You should try it sometime.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.18  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.8    3 weeks ago
'You are probably wasting your time. Some people believe everything the media tells them.'

Some people believe everything Rump says.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.19  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.11    3 weeks ago
What a waste. Why do you even post?

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.20  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.17    3 weeks ago

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest that maybe you haven't read the whole thread. He specifically said that "fine people" did not mean white nationalists and neo-nazis.

Follow this link (which I posted above earlier) and then come back tell me that Trump didn't say white nationalists and neo-nazis "should be condemned totally." 

https://youtu.be/JmaZR8E12bs?t=117

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.21  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.20    3 weeks ago

When did he say that?  After his 'fine people on both sides' remark?

P.S. I don't need your benefit of the doubt - it doesn't mean dick to me.

You'll excuse anything the turd in chief says so . . . [deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.17    3 weeks ago
No, he didn't condemn those people.

You can certainly choose to ignore what exactly Trump said, but you can't change it.

He did condemn them, only people who hate Trump for a variety of reasons aren't allowing themselves to use their own common sense and see it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1.23  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.20    3 weeks ago

Waste of time.

People who hate Trump are completely blind to anything resembling reason and logic.

We can post all the links in the world and some will simply refuse to believe what they read---if they even read it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.21    3 weeks ago
When did he say that? After his 'fine people on both sides' remark?

Read the link, then you will know.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/...

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6.1.25  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.21    3 weeks ago
When did he say that?  After his 'fine people on both sides' remark?

In the seeded article they claim it was when he said “No, no. There were people . . . protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day, it looked like they had some rough, bad people—neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them" as if that qualified his previous statement.

Basically, the argument appears to be because he said there were "some bad ones" that he clearly condemned the Nazi's while only providing cover for the supposedly righteous defenders of confederate statues among them. Based on this they are calling the media "fake news" claiming they lies about what Donald Trump said. Of course their defense is the real lie. Of course Trump didn't truly condemn the Nazi's and clearly gave cover to the white supremacists and KKK members who universally sung his praises and thanked him for his defense. So the Nazi's didn't feel rebuked, they felt emboldened by Trumps statements. I have no doubt every one of those Nazi's, KKK members and white supremacists felt he was talking about them when he said "very fine people" so trying to claim he really rejected them and their racism is a nothing but a bad joke. He knows they play a big part in his 37% of immoveable support pillars so he refuses to strongly and definitively condemn them and their ideology. If he lost that 9% of Americans who think Neo-Nazi views are acceptable he's be down to just 28% support.

"Washington Post-ABC News poll found that 9% of Americans believe holding white supremacist or neo-Nazi views is acceptable."

https://www.axios.com/9-of-americans-think-its-ok-to-hold-white-supremacist-or-neo-nazi-views-poll-1513304986-f806ae4d-41f7-4095-a4e6-a071168d4876.html

That's a much bigger number than the right wing pundits want you to believe. They want you to believe the KKK is just a handful and Nazi's and their sympathizers are rare. When you figure America is about 12% black it puts that 9% Nazi sympathizers into perspective. There are a lot more than most right wingers want to admit because they are foundational to their sides power structure.

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.26  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.21    3 weeks ago
When did he say that?

From 1:58 to 2:04 of this video: https://youtu.be/JmaZR8E12bs?t=117

You'll excuse anything the turd in chief says so . . . I don't take anything you say seriously.

Apparently, you will ignore anything the president says, so it's hard to take you seriously. I would be happy to be wrong, though, and I give you the opportunity to prove it by acknowledging what he said in that video.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.27  JohnRussell  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.1.25    3 weeks ago
"Washington Post-ABC News poll found that 9% of Americans believe holding white supremacist or neo-Nazi views is acceptable."

There are appx 200 million adults in America, so that would mean that roughly 18 million American adults think white supremacy is ok as a world view. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6.1.28  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.27    3 weeks ago

What they often refuse to acknowledge is that not everyone who supports white supremacy are card carrying members of the KKK. While those who are openly declaring their racist views and publicly signing up with Neo-Nazi or KKK groups is relatively small, that in no way means those who share many of those views but just don't happen to be as radicalized or as public about it is a small group.

When you accept those real numbers in the tens of millions it's far easier to understand why there were so many working so hard to believe the lie about Obama being born in Kenya, and why many like myself believe much of the hate towards Obama was racially based, not policy based.

If Trump lost the support of white supremacists there's simply no way to even get an electoral win. It's why he has bent over backwards to coach his scripted condemnation and always leaves the white nationalists and Nazi's with a metaphorical wink and a nudge. If you read the transcript of Trumps comments that day they read as one long sniveling intentional defense of Nazis and white supremacists because he knows he needs them and frankly, I think Trump agrees with them. I think he frowns on their use of violence, maybe, but doesn't reject their ideology in any substantive way.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.29  Tacos!  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.1.28    3 weeks ago
If you read the transcript of Trumps comments that day they read as one long sniveling intentional defense of Nazis and white supremacists because he knows he needs them and frankly, I think Trump agrees with them. I think he frowns on their use of violence, maybe, but doesn't reject their ideology in any substantive way.

His critics in the room were hypocrites. Follow the rest of his comments. He pointed out to them that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, but no one would condemn Thomas Jefferson or suggest we take down his statues. No one endorsed demolishing the Jefferson Memorial. The CNN troll said he liked Thomas Jefferson. Are we supposed to take from that that they endorse slavery and white supremacy?

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
6.1.30  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.3    3 weeks ago

You are 100% correct.  Trump did as the seeded article and you stated.  

 
 
 
bugsy
6.1.31  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.7    3 weeks ago
Emotions run deep over a statue? 

They sure do. Liberals are triggered all over the country over a stone or bronze inanimate object. Must really suck to be a liberal.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
6.1.33  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.3    3 weeks ago

It is indeed right there.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
6.1.34  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1.14    3 weeks ago

That’s for sure!  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
6.1.35  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.16    3 weeks ago

Let’s not hold our breath waiting for that!  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
6.1.36  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.17    3 weeks ago

Actually he did condemn those people.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
6.1.37  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.1.25    3 weeks ago

Wrong on every count.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

1. The fact checker Politifact gave Trump a "Pants On Fire" rating for some of his comments about Charlottesville

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/aug/17/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrong-charlottesville-counter-
protest/

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Donald Trump President
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"White nationalist protesters in Charlottesville "had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit."
"a question-and- answer" session with reporters – Tuesday, August 15, 2017

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2. When Trump finally made a statement about Charlottesville ,which was about 18
hours or so after  neo-Nazis had marched through the night at Charlottesville chanting anti-semitic and racist slogans, ( he had not even tweeted disapproval of the neo nazi racists that Saturday morning, although he tweeted on other topics that day), he said that "both sides" were at fault. 

The permit for the "Unite The Right" march at Charlottesville was obtained by a man named Jason Kessler, who is a white supremacist. 

Jason
Kessler

Jason Eric Kessler is an American white supremacist. Kessler organized the Unite the Right rally held in Charlottesville, Virginia on August 11 –12, 2017 and the Unite the Right 2 rally held on August 12, 2018.

wikipedia

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The PURPOSE of the rally was to express white nationalism, The statue
protest was the facade.  Since it had been advertised publicly, it is possible there were a few people there who sincerely cared about the statue. But they were not only the minority, they were irrelevant. No one is lying about the event or Trump. Trump is the liar. 

 
 
 
luther28
8  luther28    3 weeks ago

I almost pissed myself over this one, the GOP has lost any right to call anyone a liar until such time that as a group the take to task the Liar in Chief. 10,000 lies and counting.

If you refuse to care a wit over Mr. Trumps pathological approach to lying, then you have no credibility in regards to any other lies that may be told.

As an aside, most to all politicians lie, Mr. Trump has made it a profession. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
8.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  luther28 @8    3 weeks ago

Do you think he will offer that as a major at Trump U?

 
 
 
luther28
8.1.1  luther28  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1    3 weeks ago

He very well may teach the class, after all it is one of the few things he seems to have managed to impart to his cast of sycophants. They all would seem to be star students of the subject.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9  Texan1211    3 weeks ago

Why would anyone expect the media to act with any honor, after criticizing all things Trump for well over 2 years now?

And the lapdogs who follow that media simply refuse to face facts. 

Too bad for them.

Clueless scabs.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @9    3 weeks ago

No one is lying about Trump. 

The images that the nation saw out of Charlottesville  BEFORE Trump said a word were neo nazis marching with torches through the night chanting anti-semitic and racist slogans and a riot where a neo nazi ran over a crowd of counter protesters and killed a woman. 

That was the setting when Trump said there were good people on both sides.  He was desperate to let his followers know he would not forcefully denounce the racism and anti semitism. He watered it down by saying "both sides" as if anti-Nazis are just the flip side of Nazis and just as bad. 

You are losing it. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1    3 weeks ago

Technically, taking things out of context and only reporting half of what was said isn't lying.

But it is dishonest.

I wouldn't expect Trump haters to understand that--far too sophisticated of a concept for their feeble minds.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
9.2  r.t..b...  replied to  Texan1211 @9    3 weeks ago
to act with any honor,

Rather than summarily dismiss the hate, (the easiest of things to do) he excuses the behavior with his own brand of honorifics...'good people'. A brand tarnished by every single thing that comes out of his mouth or tweeted by his 'opposable' thumbs. The man is all thumbs and his apologists have their own stuck in their ears. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  r.t..b... @9.2    3 weeks ago

Feel free to continue to misinterpret what he said and spin it any old way you like!

 
 
 
r.t..b...
9.2.2  r.t..b...  replied to  Texan1211 @9.2.1    3 weeks ago
Feel free to continue to misinterpret what he said and spin it any old way you like!

You, too, tex. A whirling dervish could no better.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  r.t..b... @9.2.2    3 weeks ago

I will give you the link---AGAIN, even though I realize I am wasting my time.

I know one has been provided to you before.

That is all I can do.

I can't make a Trump Hater see or understand logic and reason.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/...

 
 
 
r.t..b...
9.2.4  r.t..b...  replied to  Texan1211 @9.2.3    3 weeks ago
[delete
 
 
 
Texan1211
9.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  r.t..b... @9.2.4    3 weeks ago

Yes, I knew you couldn't be bothered to read the link, or to get someone to explain it to you.

Perhaps I can arrange something to help you out.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
9.3  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Texan1211 @9    3 weeks ago

Pretty much... a bunch of losers...

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
10  Dismayed Patriot    3 weeks ago
"But this level of nuance and reasonability"

That's one of the funniest things I've read in a long time. To pretend Trump has ever been nuanced or reasonable in his life is simply an egregious exercise in fantasy.

“No, no. There were people . . . protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones."

Oh, you think? The waving of swastika flags amongst the confederate flags while the group shouted "Jews will not replace us!" wasn't enough to definitively say there were in fact many "bad ones"? When Trump condemned Mexicans for being "rapists" and criminals, he tempered it with the "And some, I assume, are good people.” In this case it's the reverse. To him the large crowd waving swastikas was full of "very fine people" with "some bad ones".

"The following day, it looked like they had some rough, bad people—neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them."

Again, "some rough, bad people". And "whatever you want to call them"? Call them bigots, call them racists, call them evil, call them terrorists, that's what they are but Trump refuses to name them as such. It shouldn't be that hard to actually vociferously condemn Nazis instead of just saying "I condemn them". Call them out for their disgusting views, their hate, their violence. I'm not really sure if most of those bigots and Nazi's know the difference between the words "condemn" and "condone" so Trump saying "I condemn Nazis" is about as weak a condemnation as you can get.

He gets colorful about every other group he hates, he can't stop talking about the evil of Democrats and all those who would even suggest he conspired with Russia, but for Nazi's marching in the streets the most he can muster is a monotone reading of a prepared statement “Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups,” which had to be further clarified by a white house statement “The President said very strongly in his statement yesterday that he condemns all forms of violence, bigotry, and hatred. Of course that includes white supremacists, KKK Neo-Nazi and all extremist groups".

That might have been enough of a condemnation if he hadn't simultaneously tried to throw in the peaceful protesters and victims of white nationalist violence into the same boat as the right wing extremists.

"But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest, because you know—I don’t know if you know—they had a permit. So, I only tell you this, there are two sides to a story.”

If there was even a single person who was among the crowd of Nazi's and white supremacists chanting "Jews will not replace us!" who was a "fine person" who didn't immediately remove themselves from that obviously racist crowd, then they weren't as "fine" a person as one might assume. If a very "fine" person who supports States rights found themselves marching alongside a bunch of vile persons from NAMBLA who also support States rights so they can attempt to legalize pedophilia, how long can the "fine" persons stay and still remain a "fine" person? Wouldn't the prudent thing be to extricate themselves from that association as quickly as possible? Or should they think "Hey, we're all fighting for less government so I guess that makes us allies..."?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
10.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @10    3 weeks ago

A 100% quality comment. jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1    3 weeks ago

His always are.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
10.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Tessylo @10.1.1    3 weeks ago

Not really.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
10.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1    3 weeks ago

In your opinion....jrSmiley_50_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
11  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו    3 weeks ago

[delete

 
 
 
Dulay
12  Dulay    3 weeks ago
“No, no. There were people . . . protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones."

That's Trump talking about the tiki torch march when the alt right neo-nationalists marched onto campus chanting 'Jews will not replace us' and 'Blood and soil'. 

There was NOTHING quiet about it. 

 
 
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