‘Lock her up’ redux? Biden’s son becomes the right’s new target

Via:  ender  •  last year  •  22 comments

‘Lock her up’ redux? Biden’s son becomes the right’s new target
Clinton veterans say the attacks on Hunter Biden are giving them painful flashbacks to 2016.

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President Donald Trump’s political allies and his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani have begun mobilizing to cast a legal cloud over Joe Biden and demanding that the Justice Department should open an investigation that could ensnare the former vice president as he launches his 2020 presidential bid.

“Biden conflicts are too apparent to be ignored and should be investigated quickly and expeditiously,” Giuliani tweeted Thursday morning.

The suggestion of illegal behavior and the specter of putting a political opponent behind bars sounded familiar to some senior campaign aides to Hillary Clinton, who believe Trump and his allies are running a version of their “Crooked Hillary” playbook from 2016.

“Last time, he had the right-wing conspiracy media to boost his chants of ‘lock her up,’ but this time he's going to actually weaponize the federal government against our nominee,” said Jesse Ferguson, a senior spokesperson on the Clinton campaign.

The attacks on Biden pivot off the lucrative business activities of his son Hunter during the Obama administration, most notably Hunter’s work on the board of a Ukrainian energy company, Burisma Holdings. As part of a long campaign to pressure Ukraine to combat corruption in 2015 and 2016, then-Vice President Biden leveraged financial aid to the country in order to persuade the government to fire the country’s top prosecutor.

That prosecutor, who had been   roundly criticized by the international community for corruption, had been investigating Burisma at the time.

The unseemly optics of Biden’s son appearing to benefit financially from his father’s diplomacy were reported by   the New York Times   in 2015, though Biden’s office has long maintained that Hunter’s work had no bearing on the vice president’s approach to Ukraine. But the story has slowly reemerged over the past year — largely on the right and in conservative media — as a Biden presidential run appeared increasingly likely.

It exploded again on Wednesday night when the Times reported that Giuliani has met with Ukraine’s new prosecutor general, Yuriy Lutsenko, multiple times this year and has discussed the Burisma case with him and the prosecutor Biden helped oust, Viktor Shokin. Lutsenko reopened the investigation into Bursima earlier this year. Giuliani also told the Times that he has discussed the Biden-Ukraine case with Trump himself.

Giuliani has been suggesting that the Biden case must be investigated as part of the larger inquiry into the origins of the Russia investigation, which may involve Ukraine. In a Fox News interview in early April, Giuliani spoke at length about the Biden case but said it was only because of broader questions about the Russia investigation.

“I'm bringing it up now because I want Ukraine — I don't care about Joe Biden. I want that Ukraine investigated,”   he said . “Because I think in the Ukraine, we are going to find a lot of answers for how the Steele dossier was put together.” Attorney General William Barr told Congress this week that he is looking into the origins of the Russia investigation.

Asked whether Biden’s team was worried about a federal investigation, the former vice president’s campaign declined to comment. Trump has fixated on Biden over the past week, tweeting and retweeting about him far more than any other potential 2020 rival. That included a retweet of the Times' Ukraine story.

Hunter Biden could not be reached for comment, but he told the Times in a statement, “I have had no role whatsoever in relation to any investigation of Burisma, or any of its officers … I explicitly limited my role to focus on corporate governance best practices to facilitate Burisma’s desire to expand globally.”

The uproar hasn’t come as a total surprise to Biden world. In the run-up to his announcement, Biden fretted to confidants that Hunter would become a campaign-trail issue. Aside from critical reports concerning Hunter Biden’s business arrangements in Ukraine as well as China, he has been a tabloid favorite for his reported  cocaine  use and for leaving his wife for his brother’s widow, who is a friend of Michelle Obama, according to the  New York Post , which also  reported this week that Hunter Biden broke up with his brother’s widow just in time for his father’s campaign launch.

Some veterans of Democratic presidential campaigns see echoes of 2016 in the way the story had staying power in the conservative media ecosystem and then gradually reemerged into the mainstream.

“It's happening all over again,” tweeted former Obama aide Dan Pfeiffer. “Peter Schweizer does oppo research funded by conservative interests --> NYT credulously writes it up --> Trump and his allies bully the DOJ into investigating --> Trump claims his opponent is corrupt.”

“If you think this is oppo from   @peterschweizer   or   @RudyGiuliani , you did not read the story very carefully,” the story’s author, Ken Vogel, responded.

Schweizer also responded to Pfeiffer on Twitter. "It's called investigative journalism not oppo research," he wrote. "What facts to do dispute?"

Schweizer, a conservative journalist, published “Secret Empires: How the American Political Class Hides Corruption and Enriches Family and Friends” in 2018, a book looking at potential corruption of Republican and Democratic establishment figures. On the cover, Biden features prominently and is joined by Barack Obama, Mitch McConnell, Jared Kushner and John Kerry. The book dedicates significant portions to Hunter Biden’s private-sector work, including in Ukraine.

Schweizer is the author of the 2015 book “Clinton Cash” with the encouragement of Breitbart’s Steve Bannon. He is also the president of the Government Accountability Institute, a group funded by the Mercer family — which also bankrolled Breitbart at the time of “Clinton Cash.” The book was ultimately cited in a large investigation by   The New York Times   about a Russia uranium deal and a  subsequent story   about the Clinton Foundation’s work in Haiti.

“The Times’ hand-in-glove arrangement with Bannon's “Clinton Cash” project was one of the major press fiascoes of the 2016 cycle,” said the Clinton campaign’s Brian Fallon, who took the lead on responding to many of the “Clinton Cash” questions during the campaign. “It is mind-blowing and journalistically reckless that the Times is going down this road again. The Times is making itself an accomplice to a scheme whereby Trump likely intends to put his potential Democratic opponent under federal investigation for partisan reasons.”

Schweizer said he did not speak to the Times about the Biden story and defended his reporting to POLITICO. “Hunter Biden’s international business dealings — from China to Ukraine — deserve scrutiny,” he said. “The Times coverage is likely to make this topic a centerpoint of the 2020 campaign.”

And that may be true, at least on the right. The story spread far and wide across conservative media Thursday. One Breitbart headline read: “NYT Confirms Hunter Biden Was Paid by Ukrainians While Father Was VP.”   One America News Network published a story headlined “Giuliani: Biden’s Conflicts Of Interest, Alleged Corruption Must Be Probed.” Laura Ingraham had Schweizer on her Fox News show.

“The left is also blame-shifting on a story we’ve covered extensively on Ingraham Angle,” Ingraham. said. “The Biden family’s sketchy ties to Ukraine.”

The Kremlin-backed news agency RT also has been playing up the Biden-Ukraine connection,   publishing a story   in early April headlined “Joe Biden’s past strong-arming in Ukraine is coming back to haunt him.”


Photo: Joe Biden (middle), his son Hunter and his sister Valerie Biden Owens in 2016. Recent attacks on the former vice president pivot off the lucrative business activities of his son during the Obama administration. | Visar Kryeziu/AP Photo


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1  seeder  Ender    last year

The way politics work now, it seems.

They are now going to ensnare Biden in scandal and investigations.

Greg Jones
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Ender @1    last year

That's the hopeful outcome.

1.1.1  seeder  Ender  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    last year

I would say the intended outcome.

2  r.t..b...    last year

We have entered a post-electoral period in our history. Every election outcome is contested, every candidate is skewered prior to the next, and policy has been rendered meaningless. The powers at be, both R and D, in complicity with their media outlet of choice, has bastardized the system to ensure they stay relevant. They are more than willing to take their turn in the Oval Office or in control of either house as long as they have a voice to excoriate the opposition. A rapidly accelerating swirling of the drain that will eventually lead to the greatest threat to us all...apathy. Apathy in realizing our vote doesn't mean a damn thing as both represent a different side of the same worthless coin...and the electorate becomes nothing but a plaything, only to be considered every couple of Novembers.

The Magic Eight Ball
3  The Magic Eight Ball    last year

Biden’s Son Becomes The Right’s New Target


Biden's son becomes Biden's new liability.

I noticed they left some details out. 

 like biden admitted using our money to buy his son a new prosecutor.


"Son Of A Bitch Got Fired!": Joe Biden Brags He Forced Ukraine To Fire Key Official In Exchange For Money

"I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’"  Biden said at the CFR talk on Tuesday, 

I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev.   And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t. "

"So they said they had—they were walking out to a press conference.   I said, nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said—I said, call   him."   (Laughter.)

"I said, I’m telling you,   you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion.   I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours.   I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours.   If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired.   And they put in place someone who was solid at the time."

poor old corrupt and creepy joe, this is obviously a retaliatory witch hunt.. lol

and there is no way saint obama knew what was going on. his admin was scandal-free.

3.1  seeder  Ender  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3    last year

It is if they only decide to investigate all of this just because Biden joined the race.

Funny how the Russian news is basically saying the same thing as the trump team.

The Magic Eight Ball
3.1.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Ender @3.1    last year
It is if they only decide to investigate all of this just because Biden joined the race.

the investigations into all this predate his decision to run.

the "political retaliation" excuse will not fly.  but hey, nice try.

there will be more people using that excuse in the coming months as well.

won't work for them either.

3.1.2  seeder  Ender  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.1.1    last year
Giuliani has been suggesting that the Biden case must be investigated as part of the larger inquiry into the origins of the Russia investigation

They are trying to delve into this under the guise of investigating the beginnings of the Russia investigations.

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In May 2016, Benjamin Wallace-Wells writing in  The New Yorker  magazine, in a follow-up piece to Bloomberg's 29 April 2016 article, associated the website with the  alt-right , although the article did not specifically label Zero Hedge as alt-right, stating: "You could ask some of the same questions about the alt-right, the loosely assembled far-right movement that exists largely online, and that overlaps with both the Trump campaign and with the politics of Zero Hedge". Wallace-Wells also noted that the site demonstrated a Russian-bias, stating the site had a "pointed"  Russophilia . [10]


Zero Hedge  is a batshit insane  Austrian school  finance blog run by two pseudonymous founders who post articles under the name "Tyler Durden," after the character from  Fight Club . It's essentially apocalypse porn. It has accurately predicted 200 of the last 2  recessions . [ citation NOT needed ]

Zero Hedge is not  quite  the  NaturalNews  of  economics , but not for want of trying. The Hamilton 68 Project notes an enduring popularity of the site among PutinBot Twitter accounts. [6]

A telling article was written in 2016 about the blog's operations after a falling out between Colin Lokey and the forty two other authors at the blog. [20] The article included private chat logs between the authors emphasizing punishing 24/7 deadlines and an overwhelming profit motive to support the authors' extravagant lifestyles, which conflicted with the image of their anti-establishment, anti-capitalist icon Tyler Durden. To quote Lokey, "[t]wo guys who live a lifestyle you only dream of are pretending to speak for you." Lokey's resignation was also rather telling about the site's bias in heavily cheerleading for authoritarian, autocratic governments with terrible civil rights and human rights records and against freer, democratic societies:

"I can’t be a 24-hour cheerleader for Hezbollah, Moscow, Tehran, Beijing, and Trump anymore. It’s wrong. Period. I know it gets you views now, but it will kill your brand over the long run," Lokey texted Ivandjiiski. "This isn’t a revolution. It’s a joke."

I don't think I would trust zerohedge for news.

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3.2  r.t..b...  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3    last year
witch hunt..

Don't you get it? This is just another episode in a long-running retaliatory exercise to hamstring the opposition. Rather than govern, all the energy is spent using the legislative and judicial branches to stifle the opposition through the next election cycle. And if our side loses, we'll simply ratchet up the investigations and lawsuits. Both parties are complicit and both are responsible for the morass in which we find ourselves. They are laughing at us in our thinking our voice still matters... in their megalomania, the electorate is an annoyance that only requires the occasional pandering platitude.

The Magic Eight Ball
3.2.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2    last year
Don't you get it?

oh, I get it...  LOL

everyone involved in fabricating evidence to overthrow the results of an election and a sitting president must face justice. that cannot be allowed to ever happen again, people will and must be made examples of.

all the corruption that was obamas admin is going to be gone thru with a fine tooth comb for years to come.

what's going on is...

we took our country back, we are draining the swamp from every angle possible, you don't like it.

and strangely enough, I'm ok with that :)

3.2.2  r.t..b...  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.2.1    last year
we took our country back,

With all due respect, you have taken nothing back. Your 'man' is the temporary holder of a transitory seat. The pendulum will eventually swing, and the divisive rhetoric, investigations, and judicial implications will continue with the next administration... and the next... and the next. The 'country' is the least of anyone's concern, otherwise how could you possibly be 'ok with that' ?

3.2.3  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2    last year
Rather than govern, all the energy is spent using the legislative and judicial branches to stifle the opposition through the next election cycle

You can't blame Trump for not trying.  What's he supposed to do besides having the Democrat leadership over to the WH?  Write the legislation for them?  Come to think of it, that would be a brilliant idea.  Have a broadcast meeting like they previously had and hand them the legislation and say ok...   your turn.

The Magic Eight Ball
3.2.4  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.2    last year
Your 'man' is the temporary holder of a transitory seat.

his judicial picks will last our lifetimes this is why we kept the senate at all cost. after trump does 6 more yrs he will be replaced with another republican. don't blame me, that's just how it will be.  todays left will not see presidential power again. the democrats will force regressives out or form a third party.  the anarchists? are done running this country = period. from now on, anarchist, corrupt, leadership goes to jail.

voters do not reward traitors in this country.

 The pendulum will eventually swing,

sorry... today's left has gone way out of range, this is not a country of socialists who want free stuff. this is a country of people who like watching traitors fall as much as they like watching sports.  but have some heart... some who fall will be republicans.. it is inevitable.


3.2.5  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @3.2.3    last year
You can't blame Trump for not trying.

Yes, you can. It is part and parcel of the position after all. (please save the tired comparisons to previous administrations, it is no excuse for current behavior)

3.2.6  r.t..b...  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.2.4    last year
but have some heart... some who fall will be republicans..

I have no fealty to either group and take no joy in viewing the state of our political landscape. We can and must do better, but it starts with expecting more and not settling for less. A forlorn hope perhaps.

The Magic Eight Ball
3.2.7  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.6    last year
but it starts with expecting more and not settling for less

we have no intention of settling for anything less than equal justice under the law.

politicians are not exempt any longer and we expect more to go to jail. a whole lot more.

draining the swamp is priority one for the long term survival of our country.

3.2.8  seeder  Ender  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.2.7    last year

Anyone that can see the trump administration cabinet/agency picks knows that the swamp is not being drained. It is just being filled with a different animal.

3.2.9  r.t..b...  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.2.7    last year
politicians are not exempt any longer and we expect more to go to jail. a whole lot more.

On that we can agree. And I trust you will accept the outcome regardless wherever equal justice under the law may shine its' light.

Have a good weekend, all...peace.

The Magic Eight Ball
3.2.10  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.9    last year
And I trust you will accept the outcome regardless wherever equal justice under the law may shine its' light.

I have never lost faith in that.

in the past, trouble was, regardless of their words otherwise, the incoming admin covered for the outgoing admin without exception. as this article shows the swamp has no problem using their power to decide who is let off the hook.  hillary or bidens son, matters not. they all protected each other.. now they have no one to protect them.

  • bush 1
  • clinton 1
  • bush 2
  • obama
  • clinton 2

all the above should be in jail... but I doubt we will get "that lucky. yet, ya really never know till it is over.

they never thought she would lose. then she dropped the baton and now they are screwed. it is as simple as that. however, this is the first time in my life I expect the corrupt will actually go to jail. there is no doubt, that is new :)

the bush's and clintons had us wrapped up and sold out to globalism.. it was a done deal.

then along comes obama who pushed too far too fast and got caught. but he was a rookie.

cest la vie :)

3.2.11  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.5    last year
please save the tired comparisons to previous administrations, it is no excuse for current behavior

Would you care to show me explicitly where I made a "comparison" to the Obama administration?   If I'm not mistaken, Pelosi and Schumer are both Democrats and have been at televised White House meetings were they not?

I'll submit you're projecting what you BELIEVE I said but did not, even by implication.

The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
4  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"    last year

The media is once again tenderizing the News. Daddy smashed the Ukranian investigation into his son.

Now there is an investigation into the corruption that led to the DA getting canned.

Not looking good.....

4.1  seeder  Ender  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @4    last year

I didn't remember H Biden being involved in the Ukraine. They had to know this would come up.


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