Matt Gaetz: We will lock up the people who investigated Trump's crimes

  
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Matt Gaetz: We will lock up the people who investigated Trump's crimes

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Matt Gaetz: We will lock up the people who investigated Trump's crimes




By

 Kaili Joy Gray

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May 8, 2019







The Republican congressman wants Trump's enemies locked up for the 'crime' of investigating Trump's crimes.


Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz — arguably Trump's most devoted lapdog in Congress — was part of the opening act for the MAGA rally in Florida Wednesday night, where Gaetz declared that those who investigate Trump should be locked up.

"If anybody tries to deprive us of this country we have earned," Gaetz shouted to the crowd, "if they try to undermine our president with lawless investigations, meaningless subpoenas, absurd contempt citations — we're going to turn the tables on them, we're going to investigate the investigators, and you're right! If it takes it, we will lock them up!"At which point, the crowd took its cue and started chanting"Lock them up!"

It's the kind of red-meat nonsense that Trump's rally-goers have come to expect: Those who dare to exercise congressional oversight of Trump's lawless administration are somehow behaving lawlessly. Those who were tasked with investigating Trump's obstruction of justice — and found several examples of it — are somehow the ones who deserve jail time. It's all bizarre, but that's what happens at a Trump rally.

It's also a bizarre argument coming from someone who is currently facing his own legal problems in Florida. Gaetz is under investigation for attempted witness tampering, after he publicly threatened Trump's former fixer and attorney Michael Cohen in an effort to stop his damning testimony to Congress.

The threat didn't work, but it did land Gaetz in trouble with the Florida Bar Association, which decided this week to escalate its investigation of his behavior.

Gaetz isn't shy about using his role in Congress to protect Trump. He has openly admitted that the reason he's there is not the people of Florida he's supposed to represent but Trump.

"I don't know how I'd fit into this place in the absence of the president," Gaetz told Buzzfeed in March.

"I wake up every day and I do what I can to expose what I believe is an intractable bias among the people who are investigating the president."

Gaetz even floated the idea of officially abandoning his Florida constituents to run for Senate in Alabama, though he has supposedly ruled that out.

In April, Gaetz shared a video on social media supposedly watching Trump's wall being built on the border, to show that Trump really is keeping his promise. Except that he wasn't near the border and it wasn't really a wall; it was just a prototype demonstration in the middle of Arizona.

Now, in his latest demonstration of loyalty to Trump, Gaetz is calling for Trump's perceived enemies to be locked up. It's a tired refrain from 2016, when Trump and his rally-goers wanted Hillary Clinton locked up. And while they might all still believe she deserves prison time for the crime of being Hillary Clinton, at least now they can direct their "lock 'em up!" cheers at some new targets.

Published with permission of The American Independent.

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Tessylo
1  seeder  Tessylo    2 months ago

Wow the turd Rump supporters aren't the brightest bulbs are they?

'Matt Gaetz: We Will Lock Up The People Who Investigated Trump's Crimes

 
 
 
luther28
1.1  luther28  replied to  Tessylo @1    2 months ago

Well at least it is a change from: "Lock her up".

I suppose they are going to require a larger jail.

I was kind of hoping they might come out with some fresh material for this cycle, this is akin to watching reruns of My Mother the Car.

 
 
 
cjcold
1.1.1  cjcold  replied to  luther28 @1.1    2 months ago

I liked My Mother the Car a whole lot more than I like Trump. My intro to sci-fi.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.1.2  SteevieGee  replied to  cjcold @1.1.1    2 months ago

I loved My Mother the Car...  Of course, I was 7 years old.

 
 
 
cjcold
1.1.3  cjcold  replied to  SteevieGee @1.1.2    2 months ago

Much like Trump, his adult supporters think like 7 year olds.

 
 
 
epistte
1.2  epistte  replied to  Tessylo @1    2 months ago
'Matt Gaetz: We Will Lock Up The People Who Investigated Trump's Crimes

Thank you for admitting that Trump committed crimes. I hope this guy isn't a criminal defense lawyer. 

Matt isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer......... 

 
 
 
JBB
1.2.1  JBB  replied to  epistte @1.2    2 months ago

But, it is open season on AOC and Ilan Omar. Did you see the malevolence of the faces of all those lying goppers on Nadler's committee the other day?  The cameras illuminated all their mendacity and duplicity. Especially Gaetz.

 
 
 
epistte
1.2.2  epistte  replied to  JBB @1.2.1    2 months ago
But, it is open season on AOC and Ilan Omar. Did you see the malevolence of the faces of all those lying goppers on Nadler's committee the other day?  The cameras put the.lie to all their mendacity and duplicity..,

They are strong intelligent women of ethnic descent whose skin has more melanin than Wonder Bread, so they are obvious targets  of hate for Trump conservatives. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @1.2.1    2 months ago

Why do they look so FUCKING ANGRY all the time?

 
 
 
JBB
1.2.4  JBB  replied to  epistte @1.2.2    2 months ago

Gaetz is Louis Gohmert with hair...

 
 
 
JBB
1.2.5  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.3    2 months ago

Political Impotence and Ideological Constipation...

 
 
 
epistte
1.2.6  epistte  replied to  JBB @1.2.4    2 months ago
Gaetz is Louis Gohmert with hair...

I love the intellectual vacancy of Screwie Louie Gohmert.

 
 
 
cjcold
1.2.7  cjcold  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.3    2 months ago

It has to do with overly enlarged amygdala.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.2.8  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  epistte @1.2    2 months ago
Matt isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer......... 

The drawer is sharper. 

 
 
 
epistte
1.2.9  epistte  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @1.2.8    2 months ago
The drawer is sharper.

Matt Gaetz would finish in 3rd place on Jeopardy even if the other two contestants were potted plants.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.2.10  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  cjcold @1.2.7    2 months ago
It has to do with overly enlarged amygdala.

Yes, the core of the "lizard brain" or in Gaetz's case just brain.  

 
 
 
cjcold
1.2.11  cjcold  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.3    2 months ago

Overly enlarged amygdala thrive on anger and fear.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @1    2 months ago

While I agree Gaetz is a certified looney toons, I say let the Dems investigate to their hearts content, just as long as it's their funds and not taxpayer money. After all, they are liable to be investigating for a long  long time....

 
 
 
Dulay
1.3.1  Dulay  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.3    2 months ago

Nope, if the GOP can spend millions on BENGHAZI! the Dems can spend millions on investigating TRUMP. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.3    2 months ago

The Mueller investigation was pretty much bought and paid for by Manafort's seized assets.  So we're good.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.3.3  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.3    2 months ago
I say let the Dems investigate to their hearts content, just as long as it's their funds and not taxpayer money.

Yeah, like you care about frivoluous spending.  Shitbag's golf trips alone have already cost taxpayers $100M:

Trump Golf Count

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
2  Dean Moriarty    2 months ago

My-my how the tables have turned. 

512

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Dean Moriarty @2    2 months ago

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Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Tessylo @2.1    2 months ago

^10

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
2.2  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Dean Moriarty @2    2 months ago

What is the topic?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dean Moriarty @2.2    2 months ago

If you have to ask then it's obvious you didn't read the article

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
2.2.2  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.1    2 months ago

I did and my comment was 100% on topic. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Dean Moriarty @2.2.2    2 months ago

Dean, Please go to Metafied and read my comment.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2.4  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Dean Moriarty @2.2    2 months ago

'What is the topic?'

Matt Gaetz: We Will Lock Up The People Who Investigated Trump's Crimes

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.2.5  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.4    2 months ago

Trump committed no crimes, so the whole topic is pointless. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2.6  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.5    2 months ago

Then why did the dumb ass say they would lock up the people who investigated 'Rump's crimes'?

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.2.7  Split Personality  replied to  Dean Moriarty @2.2.2    2 months ago

It was 100% juvenile and unrealistic.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2.8  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.3    2 months ago

Why bother since you restored his OFF TOPIC COMMENT

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2.9  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.7    2 months ago

I appreciate you removing the comment which Perrie restored.  

 
 
 
epistte
2.2.10  epistte  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.5    2 months ago
Trump committed no crimes, so the whole topic is pointless.

He just admitted otherwise.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
2.2.11  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.4    2 months ago

How is Matt Gaetz going to lock anyone up? I mean does he even have handcuffs? I don't think he is even a police man so I have to wonder if this could actually happen. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2.12  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @2.2.11    2 months ago

I don't know, why don't you ask him.  

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
2.2.13  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.12    2 months ago

Do you have his number, i googled it and can't find it?

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2.15  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @2.2.13    2 months ago

Yes, it's 1-800-GOFUCKYOURSELF

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
2.2.16  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.15    2 months ago

I called that number and I think his secretary wanted to have phone sex, WTF?

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.18  Texan1211  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @2.2.16    2 months ago

Did she have a shrill, whiny voice?

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2.19  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.18    2 months ago

Was it you who answered the call?

 
 
 
MUVA
2.2.20  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.15    2 months ago

Stop giving out my number bad fish that was me.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.21  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.19    2 months ago

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XXJefferson#51
2.2.22  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.4    2 months ago

[deleted]

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
2.2.23  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.7    2 months ago

Those who investigated Trump are exactly what you said.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
2.2.24  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.8    2 months ago

[deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2.25  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @2.2.22    2 months ago

So report it otherwise you can call Matt Gaetz's office and vent.  The  number is posted at 2.2.15.  Leave your complaint there.  

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.26  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @2.2.23    2 months ago
Those who investigated Trump are exactly what you said.

Which hardly qualifies as an offence to be locked up for. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2.27  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @2.2.20    2 months ago

I have to admit, that was funny

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.2.28  Jack_TX  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.6    2 months ago

Did he actually say that, or did the headline writer make it up?

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2.29  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Jack_TX @2.2.28    2 months ago

Everything he said is in the article.   The title just shortened it.

If you had read it, it's in the third paragraph 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.2.30  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.5    2 months ago

Hello McFly!  One of your own admitted Trump has committed crimes.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.2.31  Jack_TX  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.29    2 months ago

The third paragraph doesn't actually have a quote. The word "lawless" is the author's.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.2.32  Jack_TX  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.2.30    2 months ago
Hello McFly!  One of your own admitted Trump has committed crimes.

Has he?  Because the article does not seem to quote him doing so.  Can you find the actual Gaetz statement?

 
 
 
SteevieGee
2.2.33  SteevieGee  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @2.2.11    2 months ago
How is Matt Gaetz going to lock anyone up? I mean does he even have handcuffs? I don't think he is even a police man so I have to wonder if this could actually happen.

Good point Mr. Fish.  He can't lock anybody up.  I don't know about handcuffs but he surely doesn't have the authority.  He's throwing red meat to his ravenous base and his ravenous base isn't smart enough to realize that he can't do what he's promising.

 
 
 
cjcold
2.2.34  cjcold  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.5    2 months ago

Donald Trump has spent his whole life committting crimes. That's why his parents sent him to military school. Didn't work.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2.35  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Jack_TX @2.2.31    2 months ago

'The third paragraph doesn't actually have a quote. The word "lawless" is the author's.'

So what?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.2.36  Jack_TX  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.35    2 months ago
So what?

So it doesn't look like Gaetz actually said "Trump's crimes", which would render many of the comments on this seed pretty embarrassing.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.2.37  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.5    2 months ago
Trump committed no crimes, so the whole topic is pointless.

In your alternate universe, sure.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2.38  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Jack_TX @2.2.36    2 months ago

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epistte
2.2.39  epistte  replied to  Jack_TX @2.2.36    2 months ago
So it doesn't look like Gaetz actually said "Trump's crimes", which would render many of the comments on this seed pretty embarrassing.

The Mueller investigation did not in any way exonerate Donald Trump, despite what AG Barr tried to insinuate with his partisan summary. 

Should Hillary do the same to those who have investigated her for more than a decade and still haven't proved that she so much as ignored a parking ticket, or does this idea only apply to Republicans? I don't like Hillary but if she didn't exist the GOP wouldn't have any way to defect the attention of Dittoheads from their politicians and their failed policies.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.2.40  Jack_TX  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.38    2 months ago

So you agree I'm correct.

Again.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.2.41  Jack_TX  replied to  epistte @2.2.39    2 months ago
The Mueller investigation did not in any way exonerate Donald Trump, despite what AG Barr tried to insinuate with his partisan summary. 

Do endeavor to explain how that has any relationship to misquoting Matt Gaetz.

Then attempt to explain why gleeful posts about Gaetz referring to "Trump's crimes"....which of course he didn't actually do.....aren't just stupidly embarrassing to those who posted them.

Should Hillary do the same to those who have investigated her for more than a decade and still haven't proved that she so much as ignored a parking ticket, or does this idea only apply to Republicans? I don't like Hillary but if she didn't exist the GOP wouldn't have any way to defect the attention of Dittoheads from their politicians and their failed policies.

Are you actually following my posts or do you maybe have me confused with somebody else?

Hint....if you'll re-read, you'll find that I've made no comment about further investigations.... only a few very silly NT posters mistaking a leftist blogger's headline for a US Congressman's quote.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.2.42  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.5    2 months ago

The only thing accurate in that comment was jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.4  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Dean Moriarty @2    2 months ago

It doesn't get more delusional than that, Dean.  But I have no doubt you try to top it in time. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3  Trout Giggles    2 months ago

This guy sounds like a tool. He considered leaving Florida to run in Alabama? That's a nice fuck you to his constituents

 
 
 
lib50
3.2  lib50  replied to  Trout Giggles @3    2 months ago

Alabama might be a better fit if Florida becomes more purple.  Maybe he's the canary in the coal mine.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  lib50 @3.2    2 months ago

good point

 
 
 
bbl-1
4  bbl-1    2 months ago

Who votes for people like Gaetz?  And why? 

The fetus thing?  Is that his appeal?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  bbl-1 @4    2 months ago

Tell them what they want to hear and they'll give you their 'hole' devotion... their elected leaders can literally do anything they want as long as they tell their constituents they'd vote against Roe v Wade and think every citizen has the right to discriminate based on their Christian faith.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1    2 months ago
they'd vote against Roe v Wade

Do your Congresspeople regularly vote on settled law?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.1    2 months ago
Do your Congresspeople regularly vote on settled law?

Nope, but in those areas where Roe v Wade is extremely unpopular few have any real grasp on civics or what a congressman can or can't do. Just saying you'd vote against it is all they need to hear to believe you're on their side. You don't actually have to follow through with anything you promise them, they just have to believe you're "one of them" and they'll keep just about any incompetent piece of trash in office.

 
 
 
epistte
4.1.3  epistte  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.1    2 months ago
Do your Congresspeople regularly vote on settled law?

Yes, they do, as a way to try to overturn Roe'.

Have you ever heard of heartbeat bills and fetal personhood legislation? This legislation plays very well to religious conservatives who are driven by their emotions and not facts.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  epistte @4.1.3    2 months ago

Georgia just passed a bill that would make any abortion after 6 weeks a felony. Alabama is considering a bill that would make any abortion a felony.

Do Congress critters regularly vote on settled law?

It's obvious that state legs do

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  epistte @4.1.3    2 months ago
Yes, they do, as a way to try to overturn Roe'.
Have you ever heard of heartbeat bills and fetal personhood legislation? This legislation plays very well to religious conservatives who are driven by their emotions and not facts.

Please list when the US Congress passed such laws.

 
 
 
epistte
4.1.6  epistte  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.4    2 months ago
Georgia just passed a bill that would make any abortion after 6 weeks a felony. Alabama is considering a bill that would make any abortion a felony.

Do Congress critters regularly vote on settled law?

It's obvious that state legs do

Ohio did the same thing. The conservative hypocrites want to force women to have kids that aren't wanted, but once the kid is born they won't support it or help the women care for it, despite calling themselves pro-life.  if men got pregnant abortion would be a right and they could have a free abortion with 2 weeks paid medical leave in a sports bar at halftime. 

 
 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  epistte @4.1.7    2 months ago

Will you one day soon learn the difference between proposed legislation and law?

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.9  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.2    2 months ago

Also this scumbag is guilty of witness intimidation.  Scum supports scum.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.10  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.8    2 months ago

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Texan1211
4.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.10    2 months ago

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MrFrost
4.1.12  MrFrost  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1    2 months ago

512

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.1.13  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.10    2 months ago

and moving goal posts

 
 
 
epistte
4.1.14  epistte  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.8    2 months ago
Will you one day soon learn the difference between proposed legislation and law?

Why are you trying to ignore that they did support this legislation? Is it because it is intellectually convenient to admit what they attempted to do? 

 
 
 
epistte
4.1.15  epistte  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.12    2 months ago
 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  epistte @4.1.14    2 months ago
Why are you trying to ignore that they did support this legislation? Is it because it is intellectually convenient to admit what they attempted to do?

it isn't my problem that you have difficulty determining what is law and what isn't.

 
 
 
epistte
4.1.17  epistte  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.16    2 months ago
t isn't my problem that you have difficulty determining what is law and what isn't.

Don't be intellectually evasive or pedantic. Congress did try to pass a law that would overturn Roe v. Wade.

This is a list of federal legislation that deals with abortion.  How do you plan to try to get your way out of this, or will you ignore this post?

  https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/subjects/abortion/5897

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  epistte @4.1.17    2 months ago

Yawn. Just because you type one thing and then decide to try and change what you really meant doesn't mean that I have to play your game.

You said in response to this: Please list when the US Congress passed such laws.

This:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/962
https://rewire.news/article/2019/04/09/designed-to-manufacture-outrage-senate-judiciary-holds-hearing-on-20-week-abortion-ban/

Now, correct me if I am wrong--are you saying that the links show passed legislation, or were you answering a different question?

 
 
 
lib50
4.1.19  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.8    2 months ago

Proposing them is enough.  Attempting to pass them is enough.  The entire process matters as it moves from idea to law.  Republicans are the ones trying to limit women's freedom, the very foundation of their person.  They try it through the states, the federal and the courts.  Its about time you stop playing naive and start paying attention to what you are defending (or denying it when you don't know what else to say).  Religions want to inject themselves, politicians want to, employers want to, for some reason stupid old men and some of their chattel want to have a say in our business and you want to pretend they don't. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.20  MrFrost  replied to  epistte @4.1.15    2 months ago

Excellent. Very true. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.1.21  Trout Giggles  replied to  lib50 @4.1.19    2 months ago
Proposing them is enough.  Attempting to pass them is enough.

Exactly! Just because it didn't get passed today who knows what will happen tomorrow?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.1.22  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.1    2 months ago
Do your Congresspeople regularly vote on settled law?

The only reason to vote on "settled" law would be to repeal it.  Time to do your SMMFH thing, Tex.

 
 
 
cjcold
4.1.23  cjcold  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.21    2 months ago

With Koch dark money behind the fanatic fascists, tomorrow is a scary thought.

 
 
 
Kavika
5  Kavika     2 months ago

He represents the 1st district in FL...A very red district but if he keeping babbling about moving to Alabama his constituents may not look favorably on him any longer. 

 
 
 
SteevieGee
5.1  SteevieGee  replied to  Kavika @5    2 months ago

When the Florida panhandle isn't conservative enough for you could you be considered extreme?  I think you can.

 
 
 
Ronin2
6  Ronin2    2 months ago

If those people that investigated broke the law while doing so; you bet your ass- lock them the hell up!

They can start with the ass clowns that wrecked Carter Page's life obtaining FISA warrants to spy on him; and anyone even remotely associated with him.  They can work their way down from there.

Unless, of course they care to come up with the earth shattering evidence to charge Carter Page as the master spy they make him out to be to get the FISA warrants. Since Page wasn't even questioned by Comey or Mueller; much the less charged- don't hold your breath.

I don't care about Trump, can't stand the man. Didn't vote for him or the wicked witch of the east Hillary.  But the last thing anyone needs is a branch of the federal government using any US citizen as a tool to conduct a political hit job.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @6    2 months ago

'They can start with the ass clowns that wrecked Carter Page's life obtaining FISA warrants to spy on him; and anyone even remotely associated with him.  They can work their way down from there.

Unless, of course they care to come up with the earth shattering evidence to charge Carter Page as the master spy they make him out to be to get the FISA warrants. Since Page wasn't even questioned by Comey or Mueller; much the less charged- don't hold your breath.'

You keep peddling this claptrap. 

You need to let this go dear.  Take a deep breath, relax.  Don't stroke out.  Take a chill pill.  

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.1  Ender  replied to  Tessylo @6.1    2 months ago

Page is a complete nutjob. Something seriously wrong with that guy. Even the Russian spies that tried to recruit him realized that.

Funny how people will dismiss the Russian spies trying to recruit him part.

 
 
 
Ronin2
6.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @6.1    2 months ago

So wrecking an innocent man is ok, so long as it is for a political vendetta?  I don't care if which party is in power that does it.

As for claptrap- will you be saying the same thing if Trump turns the intelligence agencies and DOJ loose against any future Democratic opponent?

I am sure Nixon would love the left's current lack of caring about rule of law; or misuse of federal agencies. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.2    2 months ago

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epistte
6.1.4  epistte  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.2    2 months ago
So wrecking an innocent man is ok, so long as it is for a political vendetta?  I don't care if which party is in power that does it.

As for claptrap- will you be saying the same thing if Trump turns the intelligence agencies and DOJ loose against any future Democratic opponent?

I am sure Nixon would love the left's current lack of caring about rule of law; or misuse of federal agencies. 

Are you aware of this?

Over the years, Page's dealings in Russia caught the attention of US government officials, who suspected that he may be working as an agent of Moscow. Intelligence officials knew of him as far back as 2013, well before he joined the Trump campaign.

https://www.businessinsider.com/carter-page-nunes-memo-2018-2#washington-and-other-western-powers-have-impeded-potential-progress-through-their-often-hypocritical-focus-on-ideas-such-as-democratization-inequality-corruption-and-regime-change-page-said-during-a-speech-in-moscow-in-front-of-prominent-russian-government-officials-9

 
 
 
evilgenius
6.2  evilgenius  replied to  Ronin2 @6    2 months ago
They can start with the ass clowns that wrecked Carter Page's life obtaining FISA warrants to spy on him;

Carter Page shouldn't have been talking to Russian agents on the phone. At best Page is an idiot.

 
 
 
Ronin2
6.2.1  Ronin2  replied to  evilgenius @6.2    2 months ago

The FBI and CIA both new about his contact with the Russians and "agents" long before he joined the Trump campaign. In fact they admit they had used Carter Page as a spy for them before.  

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/03/31/carter_page_i_experienced_the_trump-russia_witch_hunt_first_hand_now_were_getting_the_real_truth.html

SHARYL ATTKISSON: Page served as a Naval officer in Europe and the Mideast with a brief stint in Navy intelligence. Earning two Masters degrees and a PhD, he became a successful investment adviser and worked in Russia from 2004-2007. And there’s this surprising bit of background: his reportedly long history of assisting U.S. intelligence agencies prior to them deciding he was a Russian spy.

SHARYL ATTKISSON: It’s been reported that you assisted the FBI years ago in the case of corporate espionage by a Russian spy case. Is that true?

CARTER PAGE: I had alluded to the fact that I'd helped out CIA and FBI going back decades.

SHARYL ATTKISSON: How did that come about?

CARTER PAGE: Going back to my years in the military, I had a lot of relationships.

SHARYL ATTKISSON: So the theory was, at the time, that a guy who had helped the FBI and CIA in the past, including with potential spy cases, himself became a spy while being watched by the FBI?

You are right, he is an idiot. He trusted the FBI and CIA by working for them to begin with.  But keep making excuses for the POS that did this to him.

 
 
 
Dulay
6.2.2  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @6.2.1    2 months ago

Carter Page is batshit and your link is hilarious.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
6.2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ronin2 @6.2.1    2 months ago

Did you ever consider that he was a double agent?

 
 
 
Dulay
6.3  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @6    2 months ago

Do you have that BS on a script so you can copy and paste it into threads? 

How many times are you going to post that sob story about Page without any intention of supporting it with FACTS? 

 
 
 
cjcold
6.3.1  cjcold  replied to  Dulay @6.3    2 months ago

Not sure what difference it makes. The Russian/Trump investigation started long before Page got stupid.

 
 
 
Dulay
6.3.2  Dulay  replied to  cjcold @6.3.1    2 months ago

Au contraire. Page has been stupid for decades and the Russians knew it...

 
 
 
Ender
7  Ender    2 months ago
"If anybody tries to deprive us of this country we have earned,"

That is the main problem right there. Their country? They don't even try to represent everyone anymore.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
8  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

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bbl-1
8.1  bbl-1  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    2 months ago

The FISA Warrants were deemed necessary because of foreign intercepts, foreign INTEL and customary domestic intelligence reports.  The 'dossier' has nothing to do with them.  Stop repeating this 'Trumpian lie.'

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
8.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  bbl-1 @8.1    2 months ago
The 'dossier' has nothing to do with them.  Stop repeating this 'Trumpian lie.'


Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information:

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epistte
8.1.2  epistte  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.1    2 months ago
Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information:

Do you have any proof that the Steele dossier was incorrect?

In that sense, the dossier is similar to an FBI 302 form or a DEA 6 form. Both of those forms are used by special agents of the FBI and DEA, respectively, to record what they are told by witnesses during investigations. The substance of these memoranda can be true or false, but the recording of information is (or should be) accurate. In that sense, notes taken by a special agent have much in common with the notes that a journalist might take while covering a story—the substance of those notes could be true or false, depending on what the source tells the journalist, but the transcription should be accurate. 

With that in mind, we thought it would be worthwhile to look back at the dossier and to assess, to the extent possible, how the substance of Steele’s reporting holds up over time. In this effort, we considered only information in the public domain from trustworthy and official government sources, including documents released by Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office in connection with the criminal cases brought against Paul Manafort, the 12 Russian intelligence officers, the Internet Research Agency trolling operation and associated entities, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn and George Papadopoulos. We also considered the draft statement of offense released by author Jerome Corsi, a memorandum released by House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Ranking Member Adam Schiff related to the Carter Page FISA applications and admissions directly from certain speakers.

These materials buttress some of Steele’s reporting, both specifically and thematically. The dossier holds up well over time, and none of it, to our knowledge, has been disproven.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/steele-dossier-retrospective

 
 
 
bbl-1
8.1.3  bbl-1  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.1    2 months ago

false

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
8.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  epistte @8.1.2    2 months ago
Do you have any proof that the Steele dossier was incorrect?

Lol, bbl denied it was used and you are left to deny that it was unverified, even Christopher Steele admitted that.

"Comey says the Intelligence Community (IC) was aware that media possessed unverified material they would imminently report – even though it was “salacious and unverified.”

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/comey-even-though-it-was-salacious-and-unverified-we-knew-media-was-about

They were warned about it by Bruce Ohr and they knew it was opposition research, yet they used it anyway, to fraudulently obtain a FISA warrant!

Time to pay for that

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
8.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  bbl-1 @8.1.3    2 months ago

TRUE

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
8.1.6  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.4    2 months ago
ol, bbl denied it was used and you are left to deny that it was unverified, even Christopher Steele admitted that.

what exactly has been fully "proven" untrue so far in that dossier ?

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.7  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.1    2 months ago
Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information:

Why in the world should anyone believe what Nunes says McCabe said?

Nunes pretended for a year that he would release McCabe's transcript but NEVER did it. 

The Democratic memo states that Nunes mischaracterized McCabe's testimony. 

 
 
 
epistte
8.1.8  epistte  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.4    2 months ago
They were warned about it by Bruce Ohr and they knew it was opposition research, yet they used it anyway, to fraudulently obtain a FISA warrant!Time to pay for that

A blog by a conservative muckraker on an admitted conservative news source is hardly factual. 

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.9  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.4    2 months ago
"Comey says the Intelligence Community (IC) was aware that media possessed unverified material they would imminently report – even though it was “salacious and unverified.”

Yes, this is part of what he ACTUALLY wrote:

At the conclusion of that briefing, I remained alone with the President Elect to brief him on some personally sensitive aspects of the information assembled during the assessment. The IC leadership thought it important, for a variety of reasons, to alert the incoming President to the existence of this material, even though it was salacious and unverified.

Comey is saying that the personally sensitive part of the dossier are 'salacious and unverified', NOT the whole dossier. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
8.1.10  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @8.1.7    2 months ago
Why in the world should anyone believe what Nunes says McCabe said?

It was McCabe's own testimony. Are you going to deny even that???

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
8.1.11  Vic Eldred  replied to  epistte @8.1.8    2 months ago

Alright Epistte, deny it all you want.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
8.1.12  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @8.1.9    2 months ago

I know you are boxed in where you gotta try and verify that thing, now that we all know it was impropery used to get a warrant.

Maybe you can tell us what's real in the Dossier?

 
 
 
epistte
8.1.13  epistte  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.11    2 months ago
Alright Epistte, deny it all you want.

What am I supposed to be denying?  The results of the Robert Mueller investigation or the fact that Obama didn't spy on Donald Trump

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
8.1.14  Vic Eldred  replied to  epistte @8.1.13    2 months ago

Evidently, All things you don't like to hear

 
 
 
epistte
8.1.15  epistte  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.14    2 months ago
Evidently, All things you don't like to hear

Robert Mueller's investigation didn't exonerate him as his letter to AG Barr makes very clear because he chastises Barr for not being truthful with the public statement.

If Mueller's investigation truly exonerated him, as he claims, then why doesn't want Congress to see the unredacted version? If he was a guilty man he would want anyone with the proper security clearance to see just how innocent that he was, but that isn't the situation and a person of critical thinking skills must ask why Trump is acting in this manner if he truly believes that he is innocent? 

The US was spying on the Russians (as expected) and Trump's name came up in the information stream because he was willfully seeking the assistance of the Russians as a way to get an advantage over Hillary and tilt the election in his favor. 

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.16  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.10    2 months ago
It was McCabe's own testimony.

Nunes NEVER quoted McCabe Vic. McCabe refuted what was in the Nunes memo. 

Are you going to deny even that???

Why should I trust Nunes' interpretation? I want to see the transcript.

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.17  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.12    2 months ago
I know you are boxed in where you gotta try and verify that thing, now that we all know it was impropery used to get a warrant.

What 'thing' are you talking about Vic? 

My comment was in reply to your claim about the content of the Comey statement. Perhaps you should address that rather than deflect. 

Maybe you can tell us what's real in the Dossier?

Why don't you go do some research of your own and since there seems to be more than one of you, y'all can work together and make quick work of it. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @8.1.17    2 months ago
since there seems to be more than one of you, y'all can work together and make quick work of it.

19 comments since yesterday on this particular thread (#8) and Vic is the ONLY one taking his position. 

Who do you imagine is working with him, and what do you base that fantasy on?

It sure can't be the comments written before your comment.

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.19  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.18    2 months ago
Who do you imagine is working with him, and what do you base that fantasy on?

His use of a plural pronoun Tex. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.20  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @8.1.19    2 months ago
His use of a plural pronoun Tex.

Oh, FFS.

He was using it in reference to anyone on here reading this.

It ain't rocket science.

SMMFH

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
8.1.21  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  bbl-1 @8.1    2 months ago
The FISA Warrants were deemed necessary

one problem.


the fisa warrants were illegally obtained. (all of them)

so actually... that's 4 problems :)

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.22  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.20    2 months ago
Oh, FFS. He was using it in reference to anyone on here reading this.

FFS Tex, YOU are the one that said:

Vic is the ONLY one taking his position.

So his comment didn't represent 'anyone on here reading this' other than himself, yet he felt the need, as so many do here, to infer that they're speaking for the group.

I can only presume that it's caused by insecurity. 

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.23  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @8.1.21    2 months ago
so actually... that's 4 problems

Well 8, IF that were true, [it's not], there's actually a 5th problem.

Nunes ran the reauthorization of the FISA bill in the House last year and he FAILED to propose any substantive changes.

Maybe y'all should be questioning Nunes about THAT problem. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @8.1.22    2 months ago

[delete]

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.25  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.24    2 months ago
removed for context

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.26  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @8.1.25    2 months ago

no one is forcing your continued participation.

move on if you choose, or not--makes me no nevermind

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
8.1.27  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dulay @8.1.23    2 months ago
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Dulay
8.1.28  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @8.1.27    2 months ago

SQUIRREL!

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
8.1.29  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dulay @8.1.28    2 months ago

perfect. job well done.

now, tell me the story about how trump will be impeached?

or dig real deep and tell me the old one about how trump will never be president?

pick one, matters not, I like both those stories equally :)

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.30  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.26    2 months ago
no one is forcing your continued participation.

Nor your continued comments with straw man fallacies.

move on if you choose, or not--makes me no nevermind

I don't. You should. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
8.1.31  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Dulay @8.1.19    2 months ago
[delete]

  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
8.1.32  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.10    2 months ago
It was McCabe's own testimony.

It's sorta cute of you to think you can toss that out and think we'd accept your word for it.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
8.1.33  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.26    2 months ago
makes me no nevermind

People really still talk like that in TX, Tex?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
8.1.34  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.12    2 months ago
Maybe you can tell us what's real in the Dossier?

We've had to spoon-fed this information to you before, haven't we, vic.  The segments in bold below are items in the dossier that have been shown to be true.

Contacts between Trump's team and Russians

The dossier contains allegations against several of Trump's campaign officials and associates of having secret contacts with Russians during the campaign. Steele's raw intelligence reports cited unnamed sources alleging these communications were part of a widespread effort to collude on the election and secure the White House for Trump.
When the memos spilled into public view, Trump and at least five other senior administration officials denied inemphatic and often sweeping termsthat anyone involved in the campaign was in contact with Russians. But in the two years since those denials were issued, news reports and court filings revealed thatat least 16 Trump associateshad contacts with Russians during the campaign or transition.
Steele's memos lay out specific meetings that haven't been corroborated. But his claim that there was regular contact between Trump's campaign and Russians has held up over time. When he wrote his memos in 2016, hardly any of these contacts were publicly known. They have since been revealed in Mueller's court filings, countless news reports and testimony on Capitol Hill.
Trump and his associates who were named in the dossier continue to vehemently deny any collusion.

Russian meddling in the 2016 election

While Trump and his supporters have seized on the most salacious, uncorroborated claims to discredit the dossier as a"pile of garbage,"much of Steele's memos focused on Russia's role interfering in the 2016 election. Steele's intelligence memos detail a pattern and preference for Trump that have since been confirmed by the US intelligence community and indictments against Russians brought by Mueller's investigation.
Steele, a former MI6 intelligence operative, has a history of working with US agencies, including the FBI, and helped with the corruption investigation into FIFA, the world soccer governing body. Steele's dossier eventually made its way to the FBI, which cross-referenced Steele's work with its own burgeoning investigation into Russian meddling.
Written in the midst of the campaign, Steele's memos contained allegations that Russia was waging a broad effort to interfere, and Russian President Vladimir Putin was personally involved in the effort, motivated by his "fear and hatred" of Clinton. That assertion is nowaccepted as factby the US intelligence community and Trump's handpicked intelligence leaders, though Trump himself hasrefused to unequivocally acceptthe conclusion that Putin was trying to help him.
Even Putin has seemingly endorsed the conclusion that he favored Trump's candidacy. Asked during his summit with Trump last year in Helsinki, Finland, if he wanted Trump to win the election, Putin responded: "Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Because he talked about bringing the US-Russia relationship back to normal."
The dossier said that the hacks against Democrats, which were publicly released by WikiLeaks during the 2016 campaign, were part of a wider Russian hacking effort. That has since been confirmed in Mueller's court filings, and last year, the special counselindicted a dozen Russian intelligence agentsin connection with the hacks.
The dossier also noted efforts from the Russian government to exploit political divisions within the US and the Democratic Party after the bruising primary fight between Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders. A separate Mueller indictment dealt with disinformation efforts by a Kremlin-linked troll farm that played on those divisions. Since the 2016 election, social media companies have pulled thousands of accounts tied to Russia.

Trump's real estate dealings in Russia

The dossier claimed that the Russians tried to influence Trump by offering him "sweetener" real estate deals, in hopes of drawing him closer to Moscow. The specific details about these purported deals haven't been corroborated, but the dossier said Trump declined these offers.
Throughout the campaign, Trump said he had "nothing to do with Russia." When the dossier was first published, there wasn't any indication that Trump's company was involved in Russia beyond the Miss Universe pageant that he hosted in Moscow in 2013.
But it recently became public knowledge that Trump pursued a lucrative project in Moscow deep into the 2016 campaign, and that his then-attorney Michael Cohen sought help from the Kremlin to move the project along. Cohen admitted these shocking details when hepleaded guilty to lying to Congressabout the Trump Tower Moscow proposal, which never came to fruition.
Steele's sources were right that Trump had recently explored business dealings in Russia. And his suggestion that it could be linked to the election has also been made by Mueller's team. Incourt fillings, the special counsel said that the proposal "likely required" help from the Kremlin and highlighted how it overlapped with "sustained efforts" by the Russians to influence the election.

Potential Russian leverage on Trump

The most sensational claim in the dossier memos is that Trump was involved with prostitutes while he stayed at The Ritz-Carlton in Moscow during his trip there for the 2013 Miss Universe pageant — and that the Russians had this blackmail, or kompromat, on Trump.
Nothing has come to light to corroborate that allegation, and Trump has denied that it happened. "Does anyone really believe that story?" Trump said in January 2017. "I'm also very much of a germaphobe."
Keith Schiller, who worked for years as Trump's body man and accompanied Trump on the 2013 trip, told the House Intelligence Committee that theallegations were false. But healso testifiedthat he was offered five women to send to Trump's hotel room -- an offer he says he rejected and perceived as a joke, according to the GOP House Intelligence Committee Russia investigationreport.
But not all leverage needs to be salacious in nature. The dossier included claims that Russian intelligence had compromising financial information about Trump.
Cohen's guilty plea in November revealed that he had a phone call with a Kremlin aide in 2016 about the Trump Tower Moscow project. While Trump publicly said his business had no Russian ties, the Kremlin knew about the Moscow deal andcould have revealedit at any time, theoretically even with recordings of the Cohen call.

Michael Cohen's alleged trip to Prague

There still isn't any public evidence to confirm the explosive claim from the dossier that Cohen secretly met Russian officials in Prague to coordinate Kremlin interference in the election and do damage control if the alleged collusion was exposed or if Clinton won.
Last year, Cohen's lawyer at the timetold the House Intelligence Committeethat his client "has never traveled to Prague, Czech Republic, as evidenced by his US passport" and that Cohen "did not participate in meetings of any kind with Kremlin officials in Prague in August 2016."
Cohenrepeatedhisblanketdenialsin recent weeks.
He has cooperated with Mueller, and prosecutors said in a court filing he provided "useful information concerning certain discrete Russia-related matters core to its investigation." Cohen says he has shared "everything" with Mueller and that the Prague claims are false.

Michael Flynn's paid trip to Moscow

Another allegation that's proven true: Steele's sources noted that the Russian government had indirectly paid Michael Flynn to travel to Moscow, a reference to his attendance at a 2015 gala honoring the state-run broadcaster RT.
Flynn, who later advised Trump's campaign and was briefly Trump's national security adviser, denied during the campaign that he received any payments from Russia.
But a bipartisan inquiry by the House Oversight Committee in early 2017revealedFlynn was paid more than $33,000 by the Kremlin-funded network to attend the black-tie event and participate in a question-and-answer session.
2016 Green Party nominee Jill Stein also attended the event and was seated at the same table as Flynn and Putin. The dossier said Stein was similarly paid to participate, and the Senate Intelligence Committee islooking into her Russian ties. She denies accepting any payments.

Carter Page's meetings with Russians

The dossier prominently features Carter Page, a foreign policy adviser to Trump's campaign.Declassified documents revealedthat the FBI and Justice Department in 2016 used information from the dossier -- and other evidence that is still secret -- to convince federal judges to approve a foreign surveillance warrant on Page. The warrant, which included evidence that remains classified explaining what the surveillance had revealed, was renewed three times into 2017.
Page traveled to Russia in July 2016 for what he said was a personal trip. Steele wrote that Page met the president of Rosneft, a state-run oil company, and discussed a potential deal for Trump to lift US sanctions in exchange for future energy cooperation between the two countries. Steele's intelligence on Page's visit also includes sources claiming the Russians raised the prospect of political dirt with Page, dirt they had on both Clinton and Trump.
No public evidence has emerged to support these allegations, and Page has denied meeting with the president of Rosneft in dozens of interviews. Butunder questioning by the House Intelligence Committeebehind closed doors, Page admitted that he met a different official from Rosneft during the trip.
Page said he spoke with Andrey Baranov, Rosneft's head of investor relations. But he said he doesn't recall any conversation with Baranov about sanctions. They made plans to meet up, Page said, because they were friends when he worked in Russia as an energy consultant.
The Russian government owns a majority stake in Rosneft. The US Treasury Department sanctioned the company and its president after Russia annexed Crimea in 2014. Trump hasn't eased sanctions on Rosneft, and his administration hasplaced new sanctionson Russians.
Much of the remainder of the findings in the dossier are neither confirmed nor debunked.  And the only one that seems likely to wrong would be the allegation that Cohen traveled to Eastern Europe to make contacts with Russians about a Moscow Trump Tower.   It seems irrelevant now since Cohen has already testified he was working on the all the way through the campaign and even during the transition while your Shitbag continued to lie about it.  I'm sure you'll claim you've never received this information again in the very near future. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.35  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @8.1.34    2 months ago

Where's Ronin with his nonsense about Page?

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.36  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @8.1.21    2 months ago
the fisa warrants were illegally obtained. (all of them)

No they weren't.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.37  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.10    2 months ago
'Why in the world should anyone believe what Nunes says McCabe said?'

'It was McCabe's own testimony. Are you going to deny even that???'

I wish I could mark this as dishonest like you mark my comments about the turd 'president' as dishonest.  Because this statement is a lie.  

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
8.1.38  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.36    2 months ago

No they weren't.

yes, they were.

there was nothing legal about any of that bs investigation, not one thing.

now people are going to pay for that

no deals - and no one just walks away

cheers :)

 
 
 
Tessylo
9  seeder  Tessylo    2 months ago

You're magic eight ball is cracked.

You're whack dude!

 
 
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