Immigrants and crime: New study rebuts Trump claims
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Immigrants and crime: New study rebuts Trump claims
David Knowles Mon, May 13 2:16 PM EDT U.S. cities that take in larger numbers of undocumented immigrants do not see a correlation with higher rates of violent and property crime, a new study by the Marshall Project and the New York Times has found.
The study debunks one of President Trump’s favorite talking points, that undocumented immigrants represent a criminal risk to Americans. That idea has been central to Trump’s political rise and was articulated when he announced his candidacy for president on June 16, 2015.
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. they’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists,” Trump said.
Donald Trump announces at Trump Tower his candidacy for president of the United States. (Photo: AP)Since taking office, Trump has repeated the claim that undocumented immigrants are prone to crime and that U.S. metro areas designated as “sanctuary cities” suffer as a result.
But the new study compared recent estimates of undocumented populations in metro areas with local crime rates published by the FBI and found that a significant majority of urban areas reported decreases in violent and property crime between 2007 and 2016.
The study showed that the decreases in metro crime rates were independent of changes in the undocumented population.
The new research, while perhaps the most detailed, is just the latest to refute Trump’s claims about undocumented immigrants and crime.
A 2018 study by the Cato Institute, for example, found that in Texas, immigrants — legal or undocumented — committed fewer crimes than native-born U.S. residents. Another study across all 50 states had similar results.
A separate study published in March 2018 in the journal Criminology found that states with more undocumented immigrants have lower crime rates than those with fewer.
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More immigrants with little education and no marketable skills or means of support, are likely to lead to more crime. The reality is that there are many criminals that cross the border along with the good people. To deny these facts is the definition of stupidity.
Way to absolutely ignore the results of the study.
Well, look who authored it!
Way to absolutely ignore the whole paragraph.
The reality is that there are many criminals that cross the border along with the good people. To deny these facts is the definition of stupidity.
'Course, when dealing with immigration discussions on NT, we're finding that there are not a whole lot of people really familiar with the topic.
What is the percentage of criminals to asylum seekers? Show where you obtain that data from.
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People unfamiliar with reality probably think that illegal aliens don't commit any crimes. Even though they want the rest of us to believe that they only come here for jobs and opportunities, the reality-challenged don't realize that when an illegal alien works, that is against the law. And that many commit other offenses related to that job by using fake IDs and SS #'s that are not theirs.
Immigrants are less of a source of crime than American citizens. Trump is lying to you, but you choose to believe it because it confirms your innate bias against immigrants.
If the Cato Studio sez it - it is one of the biggest lies in the U.S. - and I state that based on their stance of eliminating Native American rights as required by law. Cato does not believe Native Americans should have any privileges that the U. S. population does not have - regardless of what the Constitution/laws state.
Cato is a strong defender of Illegal Aliens being able to cross/re-cross borders with no barriers, so needless to say, anything they say regarding Illegal Aliens will be complimentary.
Conservatives love the libertarian Cato Institute on issues of taxation and deregulation but the oppose their equal ideas when it is their sacred cow that is being sent to the slaughterhouse.
So I guess for you, that means it is OK to allow more to come in. Illegal alien break the law when they come here and are, by definition, criminals
So make them legal immigrants by registering them when they come here, but you don't want to do that because you wouldn't have anyone to blame if they are here legally.
Did you ever consider the possibility of blaming the companies that hire them instead of blaming them for having a job because they are largely white and capitalist? You also do not want to do that because it is emotionally easier to blame an immigrant because of your xenophobia. Donald Trump gave you a new target to blame for your economic problems and you seem to want to do anything to keep them there.
Why is it that immigrants are blamed for both being lazy and taking welfare money and at the same time for taking your jobs. They can't be too lazy to work and still take your jobs.
Schrodinger's Immigrants
Why would I do that? I dont want people that would even concider enteringthe country in violation of:the Law in the first place.
Yes I have and have said so many times both here and on nv.
I am not xenophobic. I have no issue with Legal Imigrants justthe illegal ones.
[ Removed ] - here's some FACTS AND FIGURES that beat the hell out of yours - and this is from the Feds, a much more reliable source that Cato Studios.
“Immigration cases accounted for the largest single group of offenses in fiscal year 2018, comprising 34.4% of all reported cases. Cases involving drugs, firearms, and fraud were the next most common types of offenses after immigration cases. Together these four types of offenses accounted for 82.9 percent of all cases reported to the commission in fiscal year 2018,” said the 2018 Annual Report and Sourcebook of Federal Sentencing Statistics.
The immigration crime numbers from fiscal 2018:
The commission said that immigration cases include, “trafficking in U.S. passports, trafficking in entry documents, failure to surrender naturalization certificate, fraudulently acquiring U.S. passports, smuggling, transporting, or harboring an unlawful alien, fraudulently acquiring entry documents, and unlawfully entering or remaining in the U.S.”
'Course I know you won't read it 'cause it totally annihilates your posting.
Oh, and my FACTS being presented are dated 2018 and are from the FEDS - and not the Lib/Dem Cato studio.
The Washington Examiner is not a valid source.
My source is valid.
Engaging in red herrings?
the Washington Examiner simply reported these statistics from the US Government
“Immigration cases accounted for the largest single group of offenses in fiscal year 2018, comprising 34.4% of all reported cases. Cases involving drugs, firearms, and fraud were the next most common types of offenses after immigration cases. Together these four types of offenses accounted for 82.9 percent of all cases reported to the commission in fiscal year 2018,” said the 2018 Annual Report and Sourcebook of Federal Sentencing Statistics.”
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Well, in this thread, it appears that the "truth" is something not to be discussed, eh?
Overall, we rate Yahoo News! Left-Center biased based on aggregation from more left leaning sources as well as editorial content that slightly favors the left.
Overall, we rate the Washington Examiner Right Biased based on editorial positions that almost exclusively favor the right and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a relatively clean fact check record.
Yup - so much for validity. The Examiner has a higher rating on factual reporting than does Yahoo.
Yes they are a news aggregator like Town Hall and Weasel Zipper...........So? The Examiner is actually responsible for what it publishes, news aggregators, not so much.
Well when you describe the Cato Institute as liberal/Dem, you undermine your own credibility,
And the Feds ? Are you forgetting more than a century of lies and broken treaties, attempted genocide and erasure of tribal cultures?
Generally speaking, if the Feds want a war on drugs, or proof that indigenous people don't deserve equal rights, they will produce reports that support their position.
Remember Iraq and the WMDs?
Can't compare apples and oranges. The Feds, Native Americans and Illegal Aliens??????? BBBBRRRRRUUUUHHHHHHAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAA. Remember, to many of we Native Americans, anyone who is not a Native American is an Illegal Alien.
Iraq and WMD's weren't part of the Cato platform - 'member? They want "limited role of government" and starting a war in Iraq was something they were not in favor of.
Iraq: The Wrong War
'Well when you describe the Cato Institute as liberal/Dem, you undermine your own credibility,'
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Trump Lies! No Surprise...
It would be less time consuming to document when he's told the truth.
Have to dig hard to find a factual statement out the rights savior.
Have you perused the front page lately? Goebbels is smiling somewhere...
Good point. Here's the complete list of truths, as of today.
THAT WAS EASY WASN'T IT?
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Comparing crime rates is not relevant. Trump didn't say illegal aliens commit more crime than citizens or legal aliens. He said some of them commit crime. To rebut Trump's claims, they would have to show that illegal aliens don't commit crime at all. Ever.
We can't simply exile citizen criminals. We have to deal with them. But we don't have to deal with alien criminals at all if we can keep them out of the country. If you prevent even one criminal from entering the country, you prevent whatever crime they commit. There is no acceptable level of crimes we could avoid by controlling who enters the country. That's the point of what he is trying too.
Don't bother bringing logic and facts into this. They've got a straw man to attack.
What logic and facts has tacos brought into this discussion?
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I see an emoji, not a counter-argument. I guess you don't have one. Seems fair to assume you agree with me for a change.
Nope, never
What a joke. Being here illegally is a crime in itself. Gosh that blows this leftwing puff piece to hell right there.
Not a puff piece, truth
“Recent crime analysis by both the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Texas law enforcement authorities indicate that between June 2011 and March 2017, over 217,000 criminal immigrants were arrested and booked into Texas jails.
In researching the criminal careers of these defendants, it was revealed that they had jointly committed over nearly 600,000 criminal offenses. Their arrests included nearly 1,200 homicides; almost 69,000 assaults; 16,854 burglaries; 700 kidnappings; nearly 6,200 sexual assaults; 69,000 drug offenses; 8,700 weapons violations; over 3,800 robberies and over 45,000 obstructing police charges. In determining the status of these offenders in the U.S., it was confirmed by DHS that over 173,000 or 66 percent of these immigrant criminal defendants were in our country illegally at the times of their arrests.”
And this GAO report to Congress
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Come back with a valid source 'pastor'
LFOD - facts are a strange equation to a number of folks, especially when those facts come from the government.
Illegal Aliens are a major problem and are harmful to the communities they sneak into. You've posted good data - I posted good data in 1.2 above - but, both of our data will be ridiculed and ta'ta'd by those who have no actual desire to learn or to see outside of their blinders.
It's a sad shame that politics has turned this catastrophe in the making into a real horror show.
The 'data' you provide is from questionable sources which you believe because it supports the lies the turd 'president' tells you.
So you have aliens sneaking into your neighborhood on a daily basis don't you? Do you ever video them and show it to the authorities? All these aliens sneaking into your backyard right?
What a hoot.
Interesting you find the federal government to be a questionable source
Any source not emanating from the left-wing echo chamber is "questionable" to those unwilling to do any research on their own.
I find you to be a questionable source.