Immigrants and crime: New study rebuts Trump claims

  
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Immigrants and crime: New study rebuts Trump claims

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Immigrants and crime: New study rebuts Trump claims



9197dca0-94e1-11e6-9718-4d4a4a2e45f0_US- David Knowles Mon, May 13 2:16 PM EDT 


















U.S. cities that take in larger numbers of undocumented immigrants do not see a correlation with higher rates of violent and property crime, a new study by the Marshall Project and the New York Times has found.

The study debunks one of President Trump’s favorite talking points, that undocumented immigrants represent a criminal risk to Americans. That idea has been central to Trump’s political rise and was articulated when he announced his candidacy for president on June 16, 2015.

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. they’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists,” Trump said.

5cd9b4fe24000032007e9efe.jpeg Donald Trump announces at Trump Tower his candidacy for president of the United States. (Photo: AP)

Since taking office, Trump has repeated the claim that undocumented immigrants are prone to crime and that U.S. metro areas designated as “sanctuary cities” suffer as a result.


But the new study compared recent estimates of undocumented populations in metro areas with local crime rates published by the FBI and found that a significant majority of urban areas reported decreases in violent and property crime between 2007 and 2016.

The study showed that the decreases in metro crime rates were independent of changes in the undocumented population.


The new research, while perhaps the most detailed, is just the latest to refute Trump’s claims about undocumented immigrants and crime.

2018 study by the Cato Institute, for example, found that in Texas, immigrants — legal or undocumented — committed fewer crimes than native-born U.S. residents. Another study across all 50 states had similar results.

A separate study published in March 2018 in the journal Criminology found that states with more undocumented immigrants have lower crime rates than those with fewer.









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Tessylo
1  seeder  Tessylo    2 months ago

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Greg Jones
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1    2 months ago

More immigrants with little education and no marketable skills or means of support, are likely to lead to more crime. The reality is that there are many criminals that cross the border along with the good people. To deny these facts is the definition of stupidity.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    2 months ago
More immigrants with little education and no marketable skills or means of support, are likely to lead to more crime.

Way to absolutely ignore the results of the study.

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Greg Jones
1.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.1    2 months ago

Well, look who authored it!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.2    2 months ago

Well, look who authored it!

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1stwarrior
1.1.4  1stwarrior  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.1    2 months ago

Way to absolutely ignore the whole paragraph.

The reality is that there are many criminals that cross the border along with the good people. To deny these facts is the definition of stupidity.  

'Course, when dealing with immigration discussions on NT, we're finding that there are not a whole lot of people really familiar with the topic.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.5  Ozzwald  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.4    2 months ago
The reality is that there are many criminals that cross the border along with the good people. To deny these facts is the definition of stupidity.  

What is the percentage of criminals to asylum seekers?  Show where you obtain that data from.

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Texan1211
1.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.4    2 months ago
The reality is that there are many criminals that cross the border along with the good people. To deny these facts is the definition of stupidity.

People unfamiliar with reality probably think that illegal aliens don't commit any crimes. Even though they want the rest of us to believe that they only come here for jobs and opportunities, the reality-challenged don't realize that when an illegal alien works, that is against the law. And that many commit other offenses related to that job by using fake IDs and SS #'s that are not theirs. 

 
 
 
epistte
1.1.7  epistte  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    2 months ago
More immigrants with little education and no marketable skills or means of support, are likely to lead to more crime. The reality is that there are many criminals that cross the border along with the good people. To deny these facts is the definition of stupidity.

Immigrants are less of a source of crime than American citizens. Trump is lying to you, but you choose to believe it because it confirms your innate bias against immigrants. 

The Marshall Project went on to cite other studies that have reached similar conclusions: a Cato Institute study that found undocumented immigrants in Texas commit fewer crimes than natives; another Cato Institute study that found undocumented immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than natives; and an analysis by the Criminology academic journal that found, if anything, undocumented immigration led to a decrease in violent crime. None of this should be that hard to believe. Migrants seeking asylum in the United States are largely doing so to escape their crime-ridden home countries. They are coming to America because of the opportunity it provides them to work. As the Marshall Project writes, if an undocumented immigrant is arrested, it “would mean facing eventual deportation — and for some a return to whatever danger or deprivation they’d sought to escape at home.”
 
 
 
1stwarrior
1.1.8  1stwarrior  replied to  epistte @1.1.7    2 months ago

If the Cato Studio sez it - it is one of the biggest lies in the U.S. - and I state that based on their stance of eliminating Native American rights as required by law.  Cato does not believe Native Americans should have any privileges that the U. S. population does not have - regardless of what the Constitution/laws state.

Cato is a strong defender of Illegal Aliens being able to cross/re-cross borders with no barriers, so needless to say, anything they say regarding Illegal Aliens will be complimentary.

 
 
 
epistte
1.1.9  epistte  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.8    2 months ago
Cato is a strong defender of Illegal Aliens being able to cross/re-cross borders with no barriers, so needless to say, anything they say regarding Illegal Aliens will be complimentary.

Conservatives love the libertarian Cato Institute on issues of taxation and deregulation but the oppose their equal ideas when it is their sacred cow that is being sent to the slaughterhouse. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
1.1.10  arkpdx  replied to  epistte @1.1.7    2 months ago
Immigrants are less of a source of crime than American citizens.

So I guess for you, that means it is OK to allow more to come in. Illegal alien break the law when they come here and are, by definition, criminals 

 
 
 
epistte
1.1.11  epistte  replied to  arkpdx @1.1.10    2 months ago
So I guess for you, that means it is OK to allow more to come in. Illegal alien break the law when they come here and are, by definition, criminals 

So make them legal immigrants by registering them when they come here, but you don't want to do that because you wouldn't have anyone to blame if they are here legally. 

Did you ever consider the possibility of blaming the companies that hire them instead of blaming them for having a job because they are largely white and capitalist?  You also do not want to do that because it is emotionally easier to blame an immigrant because of your xenophobia. Donald Trump gave you a new target to blame for your economic problems and  you seem to want to do anything to keep them there.

Why is it that immigrants are blamed for both being lazy and taking welfare money and at the same time for taking your jobs. They can't be too lazy to work and still take your jobs.    

Schrodinger's Immigrants

 
 
 
arkpdx
1.1.12  arkpdx  replied to  epistte @1.1.11    2 months ago
So make them legal immigrants

Why would I do that? I dont want people that would even concider enteringthe country in violation of:the Law in the first place.

Did you ever consider the possibility of blaming the companies that hire them

Yes I have and have said so many times both here and on nv.

your xenophobia

I am not xenophobic. I have no issue with Legal Imigrants justthe illegal ones.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
1.2  1stwarrior  replied to  Tessylo @1    2 months ago

[Removed] - here's some FACTS AND FIGURES that beat the hell out of yours - and this is from the Feds, a much more reliable source that Cato Studios.

https://thenewstalkers.com/community/discussion/45982/feds-immigration-top-us-crime-one-third-of-all-sentencings?g=81

“Immigration cases accounted for the largest single group of offenses in fiscal year 2018, comprising 34.4% of all reported cases. Cases involving drugs, firearms, and fraud were the next most common types of offenses after immigration cases. Together these four types of offenses accounted for 82.9 percent of all cases reported to the commission in fiscal year 2018,” said the 2018 Annual Report and Sourcebook of Federal Sentencing Statistics.

The immigration crime numbers from fiscal 2018:

  • There were 23,883 cases, 34.4% of all sentencings.
  • Of those, 22,782, or 96.3%, involved Hispanics.
  • Most were male, 22,106, 92.7%.
  • Just 866, or 3.6%, involved those under 21 years old.
  • 21,835, or 91.5% were non-citizens.
  • 94.7% of the immigration cases led to prison sentences.

The commission said that immigration cases include, “trafficking in U.S. passports, trafficking in entry documents, failure to surrender naturalization certificate, fraudulently acquiring U.S. passports, smuggling, transporting, or harboring an unlawful alien, fraudulently acquiring entry documents, and unlawfully entering or remaining in the U.S.”

'Course I know you won't read it 'cause it totally annihilates your posting.

Oh, and my FACTS being presented are dated 2018 and are from the FEDS - and not the Lib/Dem Cato studio.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  1stwarrior @1.2    2 months ago

The Washington Examiner is not a valid source.  

My source is valid.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.2.2  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.1    2 months ago

Engaging in red herrings?

the Washington Examiner simply reported these statistics from the US Government 

“Immigration cases accounted for the largest single group of offenses in fiscal year 2018, comprising 34.4% of all reported cases. Cases involving drugs, firearms, and fraud were the next most common types of offenses after immigration cases. Together these four types of offenses accounted for 82.9 percent of all cases reported to the commission in fiscal year 2018,” said the 2018 Annual Report and Sourcebook of Federal Sentencing Statistics.”

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @1.2.2    2 months ago

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1stwarrior
1.2.4  1stwarrior  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.1    2 months ago

Well, in this thread, it appears that the "truth" is something not to be discussed, eh?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
1.2.5  1stwarrior  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.1    2 months ago

Overall, we rate Yahoo News! Left-Center biased based on aggregation from more left leaning sources as well as editorial content that slightly favors the left.

Overall, we rate the Washington Examiner Right Biased based on editorial positions that almost exclusively favor the right and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a relatively clean fact check record.

Yup - so much for validity.  The Examiner has a higher rating on factual reporting than does Yahoo.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.2.6  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @1.2.5    2 months ago
Overall, we rate Yahoo News! Left-Center biased based on aggregation from more left leaning sources

Yes they are a news aggregator like Town Hall and Weasel Zipper...........So?  The Examiner is actually responsible for what it publishes, news aggregators, not so much.

Oh, and my FACTS being presented are dated 2018 and are from the FEDS - and not the Lib/Dem Cato studio.

Well when you describe the Cato Institute as liberal/Dem,  you undermine your own credibility,

The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C. It was founded as the Charles Koch Foundation in 1974 by Ed Crane, Murray Rothbard, and Charles Koch,[6] chairman of the board and chief executive officer of the conglomerate Koch Industries.[nb 1] In July 1976, the name was changed to the Cato Institute.[6][7] Cato was established to have a focus on public advocacy, media exposure and societal influence.[8] According to the 2017 Global Go To Think Tank Index Report (Think Tanks and Civil Societies Program, University of Pennsylvania), Cato is number 15 in the "Top Think Tanks Worldwide" and number 10 in the "Top Think Tanks in the United States".[9] The Cato Institute is libertarian in its political philosophy, and advocates a limited role for government in domestic and foreign affairs. This includes support for abolishing minimum wage laws; opposition to universal health care; the privatization of many government agencies including Social Security, NASA, and the United States Postal Service as well as public schooling; abolishing child labor laws; and a non-interventionist foreign policy.

And the Feds ?  Are you forgetting more than a century of lies and broken treaties, attempted genocide and erasure of tribal cultures?

Generally speaking, if the Feds want a war on drugs, or proof that indigenous people don't deserve equal rights,  they will produce reports that support their position.

Remember Iraq and the WMDs?

 
 
 
 
1stwarrior
1.2.7  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @1.2.6    2 months ago

Can't compare apples and oranges.  The Feds, Native Americans and Illegal Aliens???????   BBBBRRRRRUUUUHHHHHHAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAA.  Remember, to many of we Native Americans, anyone who is not a Native American is an Illegal Alien.jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

Iraq and WMD's weren't part of the Cato platform - 'member?  They want "limited role of government" and starting a war in Iraq was something they were not in favor of.

Iraq: The Wrong War

December 15, 2003
In the final analysis, the war against Iraq was the wrong war. . . . .weapons of mass destruction (WMD)—none has been discovered and, even if they existed, they were not a threat.
 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.8  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @1.2.6    2 months ago

'Well when you describe the Cato Institute as liberal/Dem,  you undermine your own credibility,'

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JBB
2  JBB    2 months ago

Trump Lies! No Surprise...

 
 
 
Tessylo
3  seeder  Tessylo    2 months ago

It would be less time consuming to document when he's told the truth.  

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3.1  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Tessylo @3    2 months ago

Have to dig hard to find a factual statement out the rights savior.

 
 
 
JBB
3.1.1  JBB  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1    2 months ago

Have you perused the front page lately? Goebbels is smiling somewhere...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
3.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @3    2 months ago

It would be less time consuming to document when he's told the truth.  

Good point.  Here's the complete list of truths, as of today.

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Tessylo
3.2.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @3.2    2 months ago

THAT WAS EASY WASN'T IT?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
3.2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.1    2 months ago

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Tacos!
4  Tacos!    2 months ago

Comparing crime rates is not relevant. Trump didn't say illegal aliens commit more crime than citizens or legal aliens. He said some of them commit crime. To rebut Trump's claims, they would have to show that illegal aliens don't commit crime at all. Ever.

We can't simply exile citizen criminals. We have to deal with them. But we don't have to deal with alien criminals at all if we can keep them out of the country. If you prevent even one criminal from entering the country, you prevent whatever crime they commit. There is no acceptable level of crimes we could avoid by controlling who enters the country. That's the point of what he is trying too.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tacos! @4    2 months ago
p didn't say illegal aliens commit more crime than citizens or legal aliens. He said some of them commit crime. To rebut Trump's claims, they would have to show that illegal aliens don't commit crime at all. Ever.

Don't bother bringing logic and facts into this. They've got a straw man to attack. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1    2 months ago

What logic and facts has tacos brought into this discussion?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.1    2 months ago

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Tessylo
4.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @4    2 months ago

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Tacos!
4.2.1  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @4.2    2 months ago

I see an emoji, not a counter-argument. I guess you don't have one. Seems fair to assume you agree with me for a change. jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @4.2.1    2 months ago

Nope, never

 
 
 
KDMichigan
5  KDMichigan    2 months ago
A separate study published in March 2018 in the journal Criminology found that states with more undocumented immigrants have lower crime rates than those with fewer.

What a joke. Being here illegally is a crime in itself. Gosh that blows this leftwing puff piece to hell right there.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  KDMichigan @5    2 months ago

Not a puff piece, truth

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.1.1  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @5.1    2 months ago

“Recent crime analysis by both the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Texas law enforcement authorities indicate that between June 2011 and March 2017, over 217,000 criminal immigrants were arrested and booked into Texas jails. 

In researching the criminal careers of these defendants, it was revealed that they had jointly committed over nearly 600,000 criminal offenses. Their arrests included nearly 1,200 homicides; almost 69,000 assaults; 16,854 burglaries; 700 kidnappings; nearly 6,200 sexual assaults; 69,000 drug offenses; 8,700 weapons violations; over 3,800 robberies and over 45,000 obstructing police charges. In determining the status of these offenders in the U.S., it was confirmed by DHS that over 173,000 or 66 percent of these immigrant criminal defendants were in our country illegally at the times of their arrests.”

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/crime/329589-the-truth-about-crime-illegal-immigrants-and-sanctuary-cities

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.1.2  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @5.1    2 months ago

And this GAO report to Congress

https://www.gao.gov/assets/700/693162.pdf

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.2    2 months ago

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Tessylo
5.1.4  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.1    2 months ago

Come back with a valid source 'pastor'

 
 
 
1stwarrior
5.1.5  1stwarrior  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.1    2 months ago

LFOD - facts are a strange equation to a number of folks, especially when those facts come from the government.

Illegal Aliens are a major problem and are harmful to the communities they sneak into.  You've posted good data - I posted good data in 1.2 above - but, both of our data will be ridiculed and ta'ta'd by those who have no actual desire to learn or to see outside of their blinders.

It's a sad shame that politics has turned this catastrophe in the making into a real horror show.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.6  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  1stwarrior @5.1.5    2 months ago

The 'data' you provide is from questionable sources which you believe because it supports the lies the turd 'president' tells you.    

So you have aliens sneaking into your neighborhood on a daily basis don't you?  Do you ever video them and show it to the authorities?  All these aliens sneaking into your backyard right?

What a hoot.  

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.1.7  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.6    2 months ago

Interesting you find the federal government to be a questionable source

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.7    2 months ago
Interesting you find the federal government to be a questionable source

Any source not emanating from the left-wing echo chamber is "questionable" to those unwilling to do any research on their own.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.9  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.7    2 months ago

I find you to be a questionable source.  

 
 
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