Trump to Democrats: No deals on infrastructure, drug prices until they drop investigations

  
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Trump to Democrats: No deals on infrastructure, drug prices until they drop investigations

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Trump to Democrats: No deals on infrastructure, drug prices until they drop investigations



aaaa2f80-fa39-11e8-8fbf-da9c00b689c4 Michael Collins, John Fritze and Eliza Collins,USA TODAY 24 minutes ago 
























Pelosi: Trump 'engaged in a cover-up'









WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump informed Democratic leaders Wednesday that he wouldn't work with them on shared priorities such as infrastructure and bringing down the cost of prescription drugs unless they abandon investigations into his presidency.

In an unusual and unexpected appearance in the Rose Garden, Trump said he told House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer at a White House meeting that it would be impossible to go forward with discussions while "phony" congressional investigations were hanging over his administration.  

Trump spoke specifically about infrastructure, but it was difficult to see how the White House could move forward to work with the Democratic-controlled House on any number of other issues, including prescription drugs or a pending trade agreement with Mexico and Canada that the president wants approved.   

"You probably can’t go down two tracks," he said, just after wrapping up a meeting with the two Democratic leaders at the White House. "You can go down the investigation track or you can go down the investment track."

Trump said he walked into the meeting with Pelosi, Schumer and other Democrats and told them, "I want to do infrastructure. But you know what, you can’t do it under these circumstances." 

Trump spent about three minutes talking to the Democratic leaders who gathered in the Cabinet Room to discuss infrastructure, repeating many of the same points he later made in Rose Garden, according to a source familiar with the meeting who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss details of the closed-door session. The president did not shake hands with the lawmakers or sit down and he left before any of the Democrats spoke, the source said.

A White House spokesman did not respond to questions about that account of the meeting.

The stagecraft surrounding the president's statement was unusual. Reporters were rushed into the Rose Garden, where a single lectern had been set up in front of the Oval Office. It was not clear how far in advance Trump had planned the move, but the president said he was angry that, hours earlier, Pelosi accused Trump of engaging in a "cover up." 

Trump aides placed a sign on the podium that included a favorite talking point: "no collusion," referring to special counsel Robert Mueller's probe of Russian interference in the U.S. election. The president took two questions and then walked back into the West Wing.

Pelosi meets with Dems: Speaker tries to rein in calls for a Trump impeachment as Democrat outrage grows


Back on Capitol Hill, Pelosi said she was disappointed Trump was backing out of talks.

“For some reason, maybe it was a lack of confidence on his part, but he couldn’t come back for the greatness of the challenge we have,” Pelosi said. “I pray for the president of the United States, and I pray for the United States of America.”

Trump and the Democrats had been set to discuss a plan to rebuild the nation's infrastructure. The meeting came just three weeks after Trump and Democrats, in an unusual moment of bipartisanship, agreed to spend $2 trillion on the nation’s crumbling highways, bridges and airports. Still missing, however, was a plan to pay for that investment.

Hours before Pelosi and Schumer were expected at the White House, Trump took to Twitter and accused congressional Democrats of being so focused on investigating him they weren't getting other things done.









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Tessylo
1  seeder  Tessylo    3 months ago

So now it's blackmail you turd?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @1    3 months ago

Nope. Just the same kind of horse trading that politicians have engaged in since time immemorial. It's usually done behind closed doors by both parties. Only difference here is this time it's in the open.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1    3 months ago
Just the same kind of horse trading that politicians have engaged in since time immemorial.

Really? Then please do list all the times a President has refuse to sign any legislation till congress stops investigating him. Political horse trading is when the two sides compromise on policy, giving the other side something they want so you get what you want in a bill as well. What's going on now is straight up extortion.

Extortion: noun - the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.

Donald Trump is threatening to clog up the legislative process until the legislators drop their investigations. Textbook extortion.

 
 
 
katrix
1.1.2  katrix  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.1    3 months ago

Clinton managed to still work while under investigation and being impeached.  Nixon did as well.  I guess Mr. "best at everything" is actually just a bumbling failure.  The real reason he cancelled that meeting is because he is a shitty deal maker and had absolutely no clue about how he would fund the infrastructure work.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.1.3  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1    3 months ago
Nope. Just the same kind of horse trading that politicians have engaged in since time immemorial.

While impeachment proceedings were underway for both Nixon and Clinton, both of those presidents were still doing their jobs and signing legislation.  It hasn't even started yet and Shitbag has decided to go on strike.   I don't know how you do it, "Doc," but you manage to be completely wrong 100% of the time.  Even if you just based your commenting on a coin flip you'd do better.  Of course, it'll be hard to tell that Shitbag is doing any less than before since he's pretty much been a no-show for his entire miserably presidency. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1    3 months ago
So now it's blackmail you turd?
Nope. Just the same...

This is interesting.

Trump is clearly saying that he will not do stuff everyone agrees is necessary... unless he is given immunity for all the crap we very much suspect he has done...

"I won't be a decent human being, unless you agree to ignore the fact that I most definitely have not been a decent human being..."

And the Unthinking Faithful TM nod beatifically...

 
 
 
dennis smith
1.1.5  dennis smith  replied to  katrix @1.1.2    3 months ago

Trump goes to work every day just like Clinton and Nixon and other past presidents. Because you disagree with what he does and how he does it does not matter. 

The real reason he cancelled the meeting is that the House dems cannot multi task. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1    3 months ago

Trump simply told Pelosi the pig and Schumer the snake to go pound sand.

Or to put it more bluntly, they can go fuck themselves, until they decide to grow up and start acting like adults

Cover up what, for heavens sake?  Pelosi speaks like a malfunctioning robot, or a puppet with some broken strings.

The Democrats are hopelessly divided and have no idea of what to do.

If anyone really thinks the Democrats are winning the day with all this "oversight" nonsense, then they are not thinking clearly, or not thinking at all.

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    3 months ago
Or to put it more bluntly, they can go fuck themselves, until they decide to grow up and start acting like adults

Trump threw a tantrum and put himself before the country. Trump has the maturity of a 5 year old. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.2  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    3 months ago
Or to put it more bluntly, they can go fuck themselves, until they decide to grow up and start acting like adults

Well judging from the first sentence in your comment they'll need to look elsewhere for an example of how to do so.

BTFW, you seem to think that Trump taking his ball and going home will have some kind of adverse effect on the Minority Leader of the Senate and the Speaker of the House. What lead you to that unfounded conclusion?

The Democrats are hopelessly divided and have no idea of what to do.

Right, it's not like the Democrats in the House are voting unanimously or anything...Oh, wait...

If anyone really thinks the Democrats are winning the day with all this "oversight" nonsense, then they are not thinking clearly, or not thinking at all.

So far they are 2 for 2 in the courts. 

 
 
 
Kavika
1.2.3  Kavika   replied to  Dulay @1.2.2    3 months ago

Pelosi triggers Trump with every word that she says...LOL...

Trump also gets triggered by dead men. (McCain)

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.2.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    3 months ago
Or to put it more bluntly, they can go fuck themselves, until they decide to grow up and start acting like adults

Infrastructure and drug prices?  Sounds like Trump told the American people they can go fuck themselves.

Cover up what, for heavens sake?

If there is no cover up why is he blocking all the LEGAL subpoenas?

The Democrats are hopelessly divided and have no idea of what to do.

Don't know what gave you that idea, they all agree that they need to see Mueller's report, not Barr's take on Mueller's report.

If anyone really thinks the Democrats are winning the day with all this "oversight" nonsense

So now you are calling the Constitution nonsense?  The Constitution outlines their oversight job over the Executive branch.

 
 
 
katrix
1.2.5  katrix  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.4    3 months ago

Trump's fans have bought his lies completely - and clearly they, like their orange emperor, are sadly lacking in education about civics. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.2.6  Ozzwald  replied to  katrix @1.2.5    3 months ago
and clearly they, like their orange emperor, are sadly lacking in education about civics.

I think you could have stopped at, "are sadly lacking in education".  You need not go any further.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2.2    3 months ago
So far they are 2 for 2 in the courts.

LMAO......They have no legislative record going into a doomed election!  All they have are Obama judges doing their dirty work!


The reason they get nothing from the President is that they are too vile to know that you don't condemn the President of the United States as "being engaged in a cover up" at 9AM and then trot off to a meeting with him at 11AM to discuss working on bipartisan legislation. Nope, It won't work that way!

No mention of that from USA Today, is there?

 
 
 
katrix
1.2.8  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.7    3 months ago

As much as Trump loves to insult other people, he's too thin-skinned to handle any criticism himself.  It's pretty likely that he had no infrastructure plan or any clue how to get funding, so he pulled this stunt to use as an excuse. 

He is covering up, trying to keep Congress from performing their duties of oversight.  Just because he's a snowflake doesn't mean he doesn't get called out when he pulls crap like this.  No reason for Pelosi to tiptoe around him - he's not an emperor or a king.  He works for us ... at least he's supposed to.

Presidents do not have temper tantrums live on national television - it don't work that way!  Except when  you have a toddler in the White House.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @1.2.8    3 months ago
he's too thin-skinned to handle any criticism himself.  I

Criticism?

A false accusation equates to criticism?

More ridicule on a daily basis than any bullied kid in middle school would ever face equates to criticism?

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Tessylo
1.2.10  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.9    3 months ago

The 'president' is the bully and he is blackmailing this country.

What false accusation?

It's obvious he has no infrastructure or health plan.  

If he has nothing to hide - why the cover up?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.11  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.10    3 months ago
What false accusation?

The one I cited

It's obvious he has no infrastructure or health plan.  

There won't be one

If he has nothing to hide - why the cover up?

We just had a two and a half year $25 million investigation. Not good enough?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.12  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.11    3 months ago

No false accusation.

Why won't there be an infrastructure plan or health plan?

Because he obviously has nothing

Manafort's seized assets paid for it, so we're good!

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.2.13  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  MrFrost @1.2.1    3 months ago
Trump has the maturity of a 5 year old. 

Oh, that's far too generous a development age for Shitbag.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.2.14  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Kavika @1.2.3    3 months ago

I love this quote from Nancy after Shitbag threw his tantrum:

“Again, I pray for the president of the United States,” she added. “I wish that his family or his administration or his staff would have an intervention for the good of the country.”
 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.2.15  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.11    3 months ago
We just had a two and a half year $25 million investigation.

A true bargain considering taxpayers have already spent $100M for him to cheat at golf.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.2.17  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.7    3 months ago

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Tessylo
1.2.18  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.11    3 months ago

Again, WHAT FALSE ACCUSATION(S)?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.19  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.18    3 months ago

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bugsy
1.2.20  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.18    3 months ago
WHAT FALSE ACCUSATION(S)?

Similar to those false accusations that launched the 2 year Mueller Russian Hoax.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.2.21  Bob Nelson  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    3 months ago
Pelosi the pig and Schumer the snake

Do you need such accolades in order to convince yourself?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
1.2.22  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.19    3 months ago

We can all see that you haven't answered yet, Vic.  The emojis aren't cutting it.

Accusing someone of making a false accusation when they haven't is a false accusation, in itself.  The  instances cited in the Mueller report as "obstruction of justice" were all about cover ups.  You can't go telling us that the Mueller investigation ensures there was no cover up in your comment 1.2.11 while ignoring that the Mueller investigation cites instances of Trump attempting a cover-up.

Saying that progressives need to act like human beings, implying that they don't, is a false accusation.

Pretty rich, you complaining about false accusations.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.23  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @1.2.20    3 months ago
WHAT FALSE ACCUSATION(S)?

'Similar to those false accusations that launched the 2 year Mueller Russian Hoax.'

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Tessylo
1.2.24  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @1.2.14    3 months ago

'I love this quote from Nancy after Shitbag threw his tantrum:

“Again, I pray for the president of the United States,” she added. “I wish that his family or his administration or his staff would have an intervention for the good of the country.”

“I couldn’t have been more calm,” Trump concluded. In the course of the function Trump had uttered the word “calm” in a preternaturally calm voice to America’s bemused farmers and ranchers no fewer than nine times.

Until this point in their fractious relationship, the US president has remained, by his standards, relatively respectful of Pelosi, sparing her the “Lyin’ Ted”and “Crooked Hillary” jibes he has inflicted on hundreds of his perceived adversaries. But as a further indication of the effectiveness of the Pelosi taunt, he let rip on her on Thursday.

“She’s a mess … she’s disintegrating,” he said. “I’ve been watching her for a long time. She’s not the same person. She’s lost it.”

Then he called her “Crazy Nancy” before immediately regretting it. “I don’t want to say ‘Crazy Nancy’ because if I say that you’re going to say it’s a copy of ‘Crazy Bernie’ and that’s no good.”

These past four years America and the world has got used to Trump forcibly having the last word. Not any more.

By end of play Thursday, Pelosi had logged on to Twitter – the social media platform of which Trump was supposed to be “master” – and scratched her nails under his skin one more time. “When the ‘extremely stable genius’ starts acting more presidential, I’ll be happy to work with him on infrastructure, trade and other issues,” she wrote.

 
 
 
cjcold
1.2.25  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.9    3 months ago

You do realize that Trump grew up as a bully? That's why his folks sent him to military school in the first place for some discipline. Obviously it didn't take. He is still an asshole bully.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2.26  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    3 months ago

until they decide to grow up and start acting like adults

Oh like the 2 yo in charge acts like an adult.  TITTH!

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.27  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.7    3 months ago
LMAO......They have no legislative record going into a doomed election!  

You obviously have no fucking clue about what is being passed in the House of Representatives. Just yesterday they tried to pass the Senate disaster aid bill through unanimous consent. A REPUBLICAN blocked it. 

The VAWA is sitting on Mitch's desk along with about 100 other bills passed the House since Trump finally opened the government after his temper tantrum. 

All they have are Obama judges doing their dirty work!

Trump has been nailed in courts all over the country and some of the Judges were appointed by him. 

The reason they get nothing from the President is that they are too vile to know that you don't condemn the President of the United States as "being engaged in a cover up" at 9AM and then trot off to a meeting with him at 11AM to discuss working on bipartisan legislation. Nope, It won't work that way!

In short, Trump got his feelers hurt so he pouted and took his ball home. 

The guy that spends hours on Twitter spewing bullshit about the Democrats and even some in his own party can't take a poke much less a punch. 

The GOP gave shit to Obama face to face in meetings and he addressed it and moved on. Hell, they called him a liar during a State of the Union address. Though obviously pissed off, Obama moved on, didn't 'respond in kind' and the Democrats didn't take action against Wilson in the House.

In short, Obama and Pelosi adulted. 

Trump needs to go buy a pair of big boy pants and put them on...

No mention of that from USA Today, is there? 

I really don't give a shit why Trump 'responded in kind'. THAT he 'responds in kind' merely proves that he's emotionally unequipped for the office. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
1.2.28  Raven Wing  replied to  Kavika @1.2.3    3 months ago
Trump also gets triggered by dead men. (McCain)

That's because they can't fight back or defend themselves against his lies and/or personal prejudice.

A real HE MAN Trump is. I bet his bone spurs salute him every day.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.29  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2.27    3 months ago
tried to pass

That dosen't cut it. You pass bills when you are willing to negotiate. It's gonna be a hard but brief term for the dem majority in the House!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.30  Vic Eldred  replied to  cjcold @1.2.25    3 months ago
You do realize that Trump grew up as a bully?

Are you a New Yorker?  Trump grew up in Queens where many guys work hard at trying to measure up to the guys from Brooklyn & the Bronx. I say Trump is just what the country needed - someone who finally, at long last, stands up to the scum on the left

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.31  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.29    3 months ago
That dosen't cut it. You pass bills when you are willing to negotiate.

Did you miss the part where the Senate ALREADY passed the bill Vic? The Senate is the one that has to negotiate. The House can and WILL pass the bill and they don't need one GOP Congressman to do it. 

The POINT is that the House IS passing legislation and a House Republican is obstructing a NEGOTIATED bill.

It's gonna be a hard but brief term for the dem majority in the House!

Is that what your Magic 8 ball told you? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.32  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2.31    3 months ago
Did you miss the part where the Senate ALREADY passed the bill Vic?

I'm way ahead of you as usual. The Senate AND the President were ready to go on it, but just like those Obama Federal judges, it only takes 1 man to bring things down to a crawl.  Get used to it.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.33  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.30    3 months ago
Are you a New Yorker?  Trump grew up in Queens where many guys work hard at trying to measure up to the guys from Brooklyn & the Bronx.

WTF, Trump wasn't in 'West Side Story' Vic. Trump was a disgusting rich kid who lived in Jamaica Estates and went to private school until the shipped his ass off to a military boarding school outside of NYC. 

I say Trump is just what the country needed - someone who finally, at long last, stands up to the scum on the left.

Ya, Trump stands up by lying and name calling and pouting and whining and getting his sycophants to tell the press just how calm he is. 

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Vic Eldred
1.2.34  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.2.22    3 months ago

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Vic Eldred
1.2.35  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2.33    3 months ago
Trump was a disgusting rich kid who lived in Jamaica Estates

Ya, Ya, and Obama was a radical who wanted to transform America.

How's it taste?

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.36  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.32    3 months ago
I'm way ahead of you as usual.

Delusional. 

The Senate AND the President were ready to go on it, but just like those Obama Federal judges, it only takes 1 man to bring things down to a crawl.  Get used to it.

So you whine about Democrats not passing legislation and when it's shown that they are you cheer a Republican that is obstructing legislation just for the sake of obstruction. 

Well done Vic. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.37  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @1.2.31    3 months ago

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Dulay
1.2.38  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.35    3 months ago
Ya, Ya, and Obama was a radical who wanted to transform America. How's it taste?

It has no taste but it reads like more delusion. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.39  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.37    3 months ago

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epistte
1.2.41  epistte  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.30    3 months ago
Are you a New Yorker?  Trump grew up in Queens where many guys work hard at trying to measure up to the guys from Brooklyn & the Bronx. I say Trump is just what the country needed - someone who finally, at long last, stands up to the scum on the left

Donald Trump was a trust find baby who has never worked a real job and yet has always lost money, even as a con-artist. 

Who are these leftist scum?

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.2.42  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.11    3 months ago
There won't be one

Vic...(And I hope you and yours are well), trump said that he would repeal and replace the ACA, "on day one". I doubt anyone within reason was going to hold him to that, Dem or Repub). But...He said that he had a healthcare plan, "a wonderful healthcare plan for all", that he was going to implement in the place of the ACA.. Lets be honest here... 

Was there a plan?

No.

Was there a plan in development?

No. 

The entire, "I will present a wonderful healthcare plan for all" thing? Was a 100% lie. I mean, at this point, not even Sarah Sanders could spin it. 

We can both dance on the head of a pin and argue the minutia...but at the end of the day, Vic, there was no plan. It was a flat out lie.

True? 

 

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.2.43  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.39    3 months ago
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I may not always agree with Vic, even on NV, but his views are solid and I respect them. Vic is a good person and even if I don't agree with him, he isn't usually given to being rude or hateful. 

This goes to ALL posters....Give the guy a break...be patient and not be adversarial. Seriously. 

Vic has some great views, even if you don't agree...no reason to attack him....

[Puts soap box away]

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.44  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @1.2.42    3 months ago
True? 

Good question. I would have felt better about it if John McCain had done what he promised long before Trump became a candidate. I don't think we will hear anymore about that unless the GOP can one day find itself in the position of controlling both houses of congress with a super majority in the Senate. Even if that happens with Trump as President, I would expect that Trump's first priority would be immigration. 

What about the Republicans? They argued repeal and replace longer and louder than Trump ever did. Wasn't it Ryan who convinced Trump to tackle Health Care first so that the tax cut could be paid for? Where was their plan?  

With the exception of Mitt Romney, none had given it any thought.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.45  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @1.2.43    3 months ago
no reason to attack him....

I appreciate the sentiment, my friend. I think I can handle the attackers without much problem.

 
 
 
epistte
1.3  epistte  replied to  Tessylo @1    3 months ago
So now it's blackmail you turd?

His stance is an admission that he is very guilty.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  epistte @1.3    3 months ago

I WON'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL YOU STOP WITH THESE INVESTIGATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What is it that you were doing in the first place?

Gee, nothing to hide turd?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.3.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.1    3 months ago
I WON'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL YOU STOP WITH THESE INVESTIGATIONS!

Can you imagine how Republicans would have reacted if Obama had done this? If after 7 Benghazi investigations he had threatened to shut down the legislative process if Republicans didn't stop investigating it? I don't think it's at all hyperbolic to say religious conservative Republicans would have  l o s t   t h e i r   m i n d s. They would have been demanding impeachment from just this one act.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.4  SteevieGee  replied to  Tessylo @1    3 months ago

So...  He's being investigated for obstruction of justice and his response is to threaten the American people with no infrastructure improvements and high drug prices if the investigation continues?  Isn't that the very definition of obstruction of justice?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  SteevieGee @1.4    3 months ago

Not in the gop/republican/'president' s supporters/Bizarro world.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.4.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  SteevieGee @1.4    3 months ago

He's just added blackmail to his list of crimes.  What a dealmaker!!!!

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.4.3  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @1.4.2    3 months ago

Blackmail?

LMFAO!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.4.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @1.4.2    3 months ago
He's just added blackmail to his list of crimes.

I think you're mistaking extortion for blackmail.

Blackmail: noun - the action, treated as a criminal offense, of demanding payment or another benefit from someone in return for not revealing compromising or damaging information about them.

Extortion: noun - the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.

Trump is threatening to shut down the legislative process until he gets something of value from Democrats, namely their abandonment of their oversight responsibilities by dropping any investigation into his administration.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.5  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.4.4    3 months ago

You are correct!  I made the same mistake.  Extortion is the correct word.

Typical for the American Crime Family.  

 
 
 
bugsy
1.4.6  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.5    3 months ago
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Ronin2
2  Ronin2    3 months ago

Why should he? 

Besides the House has already proven they are in capable of multitasking. They have their get Trump at all costs agenda and investigations to take care of; and passing bills that only the hardest of leftists will support, with no chance of passing the Senate or signed by the POTUS, to keep them busy.

Don't like it when a POTUS refuses to work with Congress? Where the hell was the left for the last 6 years of the Obama administration?  Of course then it was those damn Republican obstructionists in Congress; instead of Obama refusing to work with them.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @2    3 months ago

No Rump is the one who can't  multi-task.  

'Hours before Pelosi and Schumer were expected at the White House, Trump took to Twitter and accused congressional Democrats of being so focused on investigating him they weren't getting other things done.'

What exactly is the turd getting done?

'instead of Obama refusing to work with them.'

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Dulay
2.2  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @2    3 months ago
Besides the House has already proven they are in capable of multitasking.

Actually, they just proved that they are multitasking. 

The House Appropriations sub-committee just released a Transportation and Housing funding bill. 

https://appropriations.house.gov/news/press-releases/appropriations-committee-releases-fiscal-year-2020-transportation-housing-and

Looks like they're walking and chewing gum at the same time...

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.2.1  Ronin2  replied to  Dulay @2.2    3 months ago
and passing bills that only the hardest of leftists will support, with no chance of passing the Senate or signed by the POTUS, to keep them busy.

Seems you missed this part of my statement.

Will either get passed the Senate? Will either make it to Trump's desk and be signed?

How many bills the Republican House pass that were deemed non starters by the Harry Reid Senate. Any moron can write a bill; it takes far more to get it passed.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.2  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2.1    3 months ago
Will either get passed the Senate? Will either make it to Trump's desk and be signed?

So you want to claim that the House can't multitask and then blame them for the actions of the Senate and Trump. Got ya....

How many bills the Republican House pass that were deemed non starters by the Harry Reid Senate.

I don't know, how many times did the GOP vote to repeal Obamacare knowing that it wouldn't pass the Senate or be signed by Obama? 

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.3  MrFrost  replied to  Ronin2 @2    3 months ago
Why should he? 

Because the country comes before trumps cover ups and childish behavior? Just sayin' 

 
 
 
Kavika
3  Kavika     3 months ago

An infrastructure bill and lowering of drug prices would benefit all citizens no matter their political bent. 

Seems that Trump doesn't care....What's new.

 
 
 
katrix
3.1  katrix  replied to  Kavika @3    3 months ago

Toddlers have temper tantrums; it's just what they do.  Trump has never acted like an adult and he's not about to start now.

He's also made it very clear that he doesn't give a crap about anyone who doesn't think he's great.  Actually, he doesn't give a crap about those who DO think he's great, but most of them are apparently too stupid to realize it.

 
 
 
MrFrost
4  MrFrost    3 months ago
Trump To Democrats: No Deals On Infrastructure, Drug Prices Until They Drop Investigations

So....Trump puts his own ego before taking care of the country, got it, good talk. What a childish POS. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
5  bbl-1    3 months ago

Hell, the Trump got off easy again.

Pelosi, instead of mentioning 'cover up' should have said, "I'm going to ask him to show us his health care plan."  That would have put the Trump in the barrel.

 
 
 
LynneA
6  LynneA    3 months ago

While I'm not applauding Pelosi's use of "cover up", seeing this POTUS decry he doesn't cover up was truly a moment for the history books or perhaps case study for delusional behavior!

Totally fed up with 'poor me' Donald Trump.   He'll fold like a paper doll when he needs to raise the debt ceiling.  Our President, the deal maker who has the best words, the man who said we'd be sick of winning; gets his feelings hurt and throws his toys out of the pram.  His leadership skill set wouldn't land him playground duty.

Nixon handled two tracks, so did Clinton...through investigations, impeachment hearings, media chomping at their heels yet both able to pass legislation with a House controlled by the other party.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
6.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  LynneA @6    3 months ago

I'm fine with her use of the term "cover up".  It brought out the true Trump for all to see.  He's holding bills that could help all Americans hostage.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
7  Jack_TX    3 months ago

This is potentially the excellent news I had hoped for at the midterms.

I see gridlock as really just another way of saying "checks and balances". 

Historically, gridlock is very, very good for this country.  The less active Washington is, the more prosperous we become.

 
 
 
LynneA
7.1  LynneA  replied to  Jack_TX @7    3 months ago

Your support of what we see unfolding in our government is stunning.  When gridlock is preferred over compromise, it serves to embolden political party over American people.

Midterms be damned, government needs to be operating on behalf of the entire country DAILY.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
7.1.1  Jack_TX  replied to  LynneA @7.1    3 months ago
Your support of what we see unfolding in our government is stunning.

Why?  I really hope you don't find pragmatism "stunning".

  When gridlock is preferred over compromise, it serves to embolden political party over American people.

You're talking about "feelings".  I'm talking about actual measurable reality.  We've had several periods of advanced gridlock in recent history.  Every one of those periods has corresponded with economic growth.  

Midterms be damned, government needs to be operating on behalf of the entire country DAILY.

How?  By pandering to batshit extremists, whose ignorance directly correlates with their certainty that they know "what we need to do"?  

Ever notice how the most vocal opponents of Common Core Math never actually made it as far as Calculus?  Yet they're "experts" on how math should be taught.  Ever notice how the most vocal advocates for the poor have never actually been poor and don't actually know any poor people?  Ever notice how the people most ardently defending or criticizing the Affordable Care Act don't actually understand it? 

We've seen congresspeople who don't know how the unemployment rate is calculated attempting to dictate economic policy.  We've seen congresspeople attempting to exert oversite over a military base who were concerned the influx of troops and equipment might capsize the island upon which it sits. (true story...and WTF???)

The vast majority of things they attempt to pass are simply fodder for their next campaign and serve only to complicate the lives of Americans rather than improve them.

 
 
 
katrix
7.1.2  katrix  replied to  Jack_TX @7.1.1    3 months ago
We've seen congresspeople attempting to exert oversite over a military base who were concerned the influx of troops and equipment might capsize the island upon which it sits

WTF indeed!

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
7.1.3  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Jack_TX @7.1.1    3 months ago

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LynneA
7.1.4  LynneA  replied to  Jack_TX @7.1.1    3 months ago

Believe my statement regarding gridlock vs compromise spells out my 'stunning' POV.  Your pragmatism or mine wasn't part of our written response to the article.  

Your "ever notice" litany certainly elicits a YES from me.  Perhaps that why I'm fed up with the party bullshit that runs this country and the American people being so tethered by ideology they won't think or seek knowledge for themselves.  In each instance, the American people drink the koolaid of their party affiliation.  It's what disgusts me as I'm one who sought to understand common core, has been poor, and has read the ACA.  No different today, when I ask "Did you read the Mueller report?".  Overwhelming the answer "no".

How does anyone have a conversation when cable news, entertainment, is the classroom for so many?   

 
 
 
Jack_TX
7.1.5  Jack_TX  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @7.1.3    3 months ago
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Awwww.  Bless your heart.  

I guess you don't remember either the Clinton or Obama presidencies. 

Clinton was blessed with gridlock that helped generate 4% GDP growth for the latter 3/4 of his presidency. During that time the unemployment rate fell from 5.6% to 3.9%. 

During the "obstruction" period of the Obama years, unemployment plummeted from 8.4% to 4.7%.  Joe Biden is already arguing on the campaign trail that Donald Trump inherited a strong economy, which is certainly true. 

I realize it may very well have caused your head to explode that I have used two Democratic presidencies as positive examples.  I should have warned you in advance to sit down and have a bucket ready.  But do feel free to explain to everyone how the Obama and Clinton presidencies were such economic disasters.

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.6  Dulay  replied to  Jack_TX @7.1.5    3 months ago
I realize it may very well have caused your head to explode that I have used two Democratic presidencies as positive examples. 

Nope, they are the two Presidents that served with the highest level of gridlock and had good economies despite it. Imagine how much better it would have been if the GOP had worked with them for the good of the country. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
7.1.7  Jack_TX  replied to  Dulay @7.1.6    3 months ago
Nope, they are the two Presidents that served with the highest level

You should have stopped the sentence here.  This is a defensible position.

of gridlock and had good economies despite it.

Because of it.  

Imagine how much better it would have been if the GOP had worked with them for the good of the country. 

Silly and predictable partisanship from someone who would never admit in 100 million years that any member of the GOP could ever know what was "good for the country".  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
7.1.8  Jack_TX  replied to  LynneA @7.1.4    3 months ago
Your "ever notice" litany certainly elicits a YES from me. 

I know, right?

Perhaps that why I'm fed up with the party bullshit that runs this country and the American people being so tethered by ideology they won't think or seek knowledge for themselves.

Exactly.  Surely you do not want this "party bullshit" producing legislation with potentially long-lasting effects on our country.  

  In each instance, the American people drink the koolaid of their party affiliation.

Agreed.  My point is simply that any scenario that keeps Kool-Aid salesmen from actually passing laws is a plus for America.

  It's what disgusts me as I'm one who sought to understand common core,

I was a certified math teacher.  Common core math methodology was simply a best practices movement that had been proven effective over decades of use.  So naturally we threw it out because people who think trigonometry is an advanced concept were hysterical that they could no longer "help" their kids screw up math homework.

has been poor, and has read the ACA.  No different today, when I ask "Did you read the Mueller report?".  Overwhelming the answer "no". How does anyone have a conversation when cable news, entertainment, is the classroom for so many?   

Or when "media bias" simply means "media that fails to confirm my bias".    

The idiocracy is upon us, and most of the people we elect are simply feeding on it.  The more things that stand between them and enacting any of this lunacy, the better.

Personally, I think if we sent them all on a "global golf getaway" and didn't let them back in the country until every one of them was a 7 handicap or less, it would be cheaper and less damaging than what they're currently doing.

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.9  Dulay  replied to  Jack_TX @7.1.7    3 months ago
You should have stopped the sentence here.

You construct your posts, I'll construct mine. 

Because of it.

I disagree. 

Silly and predictable partisanship from someone who would never admit in 100 million years that any member of the GOP could ever know what was "good for the country".  

Gee, if it's so fucking silly, then why did the GOP make 180 degree turns from those 'wonderful' gridlocked economies? 

BTFW, I have lived in a red state for almost 30 years, Richard Lugar was my Senator and acted for the 'good of the country' and for me as his constituent. 

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.10  Dulay  replied to  Jack_TX @7.1.8    3 months ago
Agreed.  My point is simply that any scenario that keeps Kool-Aid salesmen from actually passing laws is a plus for America.

So your posit is that no law needs repeal or amendment and no further legislation needs to be passed? 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
7.1.11  Jack_TX  replied to  Dulay @7.1.9    3 months ago
Gee, if it's so fucking silly, then why did the GOP make 180 degree turns from those 'wonderful' gridlocked economies? 

To satisfy the people who drink RW Kool-Aid so they don't get primaried as a "RINO".  

Because primaries tend to be decided by extremist nutjobs on either side.  That's how people like Trump or AOC get elected.

BTFW, I have lived in a red state for almost 30 years, Richard Lugar was my Senator and acted for the 'good of the country' and for me as his constituent. 

Lloyd Bentsen did the same here in Texas.  But those people are fewer and farther between than they've ever been.  We live in the Twitter society, where nobody can be bothered to pay attention for more than 140 characters.  The Idiocracy is upon us.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
7.1.12  Jack_TX  replied to  Dulay @7.1.10    3 months ago
So your posit is that no law needs repeal or amendment and no further legislation needs to be passed? 

No.  Just that exceedingly few of those things are actually necessary or actually helpful. 

Those that ARE actually necessary or helpful tend to be uncontroversial and agreed upon bipartisanly.   

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  Jack_TX @7.1.12    3 months ago
No. Just that exceedingly few of those things are actually necessary or actually helpful.
Those that ARE actually necessary or helpful tend to be uncontroversial and agreed upon bipartisanly.

Sometimes I believe we would all be better off if Congress only met for about 3-4 months every year. Reduce their salaries and perks accordingly. With that limited time, maybe some sane people would come forward and actually accomplish something useful and beneficial.

And then limit campaign times to just 3 months.

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.14  Dulay  replied to  Jack_TX @7.1.11    3 months ago
To satisfy the people who drink RW Kool-Aid so they don't get primaried as a "RINO".  

The ones that win are serving and spiking the Kool-Aid and it looks like you acknowledge that they've lost their compass...

We live in the Twitter society, where nobody can be bothered to pay attention for more than 140 characters. The Idiocracy is upon us.

I disagree. I think that some of the members here prove that their are quite a few people that enjoy going far beyond 140 characters. 

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.15  Dulay  replied to  Jack_TX @7.1.12    3 months ago
Those that ARE actually necessary or helpful tend to be uncontroversial and agreed upon bipartisanly. 

Yet the Mitch is still sitting on the VAWA. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
7.1.16  Jack_TX  replied to  Dulay @7.1.14    3 months ago
The ones that win are serving and spiking the Kool-Aid and it looks like you acknowledge that they've lost their compass...

Yes and yes. 

It's the same on the left, BTW.

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.17  Dulay  replied to  Jack_TX @7.1.16    3 months ago
It's the same on the left, BTW.

You know this how? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @7.1.17    3 months ago
It's the same on the left, BTW.
You know this how?

I am going to go out on a limb here and say it is because he has eyes and ears and keeps up with the news.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
7.1.19  Jack_TX  replied to  Dulay @7.1.17    3 months ago
You know this how?

The same way you know it about those on the right. 

Except I actually do the math.

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.20  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.18    3 months ago

Didn't ask for your opinion about Jack's knowledge Tex. 

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.21  Dulay  replied to  Jack_TX @7.1.19    3 months ago
The same way you know it about those on the right. Except I actually do the math.

The way I know that is that you posted:

To satisfy the people who drink RW Kool-Aid so they don't get primaried as a "RINO".

Which has nothing to do with math and everything to do with a lack of a compass or any concrete values. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @7.1.20    3 months ago
Didn't ask for your opinion about Jack's knowledge Tex.

And?

It is an open forum.

If you don't want people responding to your posts, I would suggest that you stop making them.

I don't give two cents what you asked for.

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.23  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.22    3 months ago
I don't give two cents what you asked for.

Then why did you reply to me? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @7.1.23    3 months ago

Because I chose to.

If you didn't want an answer, why did you ask?

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.25  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.24    3 months ago
Because I chose to. If you didn't want an answer, why did you ask?

Far be it for me to suggest that you should allow Jack to speak for himself. 

I would never presume to be able to suss out another members knowledge base on an issue so accurately that I would speak for them.

But hey, you seem to think you're prescient and can speak for what's in others minds.

Carry on. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
7.1.26  Jack_TX  replied to  Dulay @7.1.21    3 months ago
The way I know that is that you posted:

Oh?  So you're relying on me for your news, now?  I really can't advise that.

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.27  Dulay  replied to  Jack_TX @7.1.26    3 months ago
Oh? 

Did I quote you accurately? 

So you're relying on me for your news, now? 

We aren't talking about the 'news' Jack. We're talking about political motivations. 

Since I read you as a conservative, I took your views on the RW's motivation as credible . If you'd prefer to be viewed as lacking credibility, so be it. 

I really can't advise that.

No worries on that account. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.1.28  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @7.1.25    3 months ago
Far be it for me to suggest that you should allow Jack to speak for himself.

Then make sure you don't do that.

I would never presume to be able to suss out another members knowledge base on an issue so accurately that I would speak for them.

Good for you.

But hey, you seem to think you're prescient and can speak for what's in others minds.

Jealous?

Carry on.

Naw, I'll leave that for you.

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.29  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.28    3 months ago
Jealous?

Actually no. I don't envy delusion.

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.1.30  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @7.1.29    3 months ago

R-I-G-H-T.

Sure thing!

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Jack_TX @7    3 months ago

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Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
7.3  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Jack_TX @7    3 months ago

Thanks for proving what I said about people who claim to be "moderates" or "independents"  actually are just thinly-disguised rightwingers with pretensions.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
8  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו    3 months ago

Even Shitbag's private pollster (Rasmussen--1500 LVs) has shows a 10 point swing against Shitbag compared to last month's poll.  

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
9  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    3 months ago

screw infrastructure anyway. I'm fine with dirt roads, I have a 4X4.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
9.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @9    3 months ago

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Tessylo
9.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @9    3 months ago

How libertarian of you.  

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
9.2.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Tessylo @9.2    3 months ago

I like dirt roads, they are more environmentally friendly.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
9.2.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Tessylo @9.2    3 months ago
How libertarian of you.  

jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gifAlways the polite one, tessy.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
9.2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @9.2.1    3 months ago

Who do you think made the dirt roads? For the most part the county or township did. There's gov't for ya.

Do you ever have to cross a bridge on your 4X4? Do you like having electricity and clean water to drink? Do you like not getting sick when you eat ANYTHING?

If the answer to these questions is YES....thank a government.

 
 
 
MUVA
9.2.4  MUVA  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.2.3    3 months ago

No you have wealthy people to thank they pay most of the taxes.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
9.2.5  sandy-2021492  replied to  MUVA @9.2.4    3 months ago
they pay most of the taxes.

And who uses those taxes to build roads and bridges?  To inspect foods and medicines?  To lay pipes for water and sewage, and keep the two separate?

Government.

Unless you think wealthy people, out of the goodness of their hearts, are going to hire construction crews to build roads and bridges for everyone, and hire inspectors for slaughterhouses, and build sewage treatment plants, all without government intervention.

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.2.6  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @9.2.4    3 months ago

They do?

 
 
 
SteevieGee
9.2.7  SteevieGee  replied to  MUVA @9.2.4    3 months ago

Really?  How much taxes did your super rich president pay?

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  SteevieGee @9.2.7    3 months ago
Really? How much taxes did your super rich president pay?

I believe he paid all he owed---unless you have some evidence that the IRS audit showed he owed more?

 
 
 
SteevieGee
9.2.9  SteevieGee  replied to  Texan1211 @9.2.8    3 months ago

Sorry dude.  There was no audit.  He was lying to you.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.2.10  Texan1211  replied to  SteevieGee @9.2.9    3 months ago

If you have evidence that Trump owes, present it.

Otherwise, you are just guessing, and badly at that.

Didn't little Rachel's "scoop" prove that Trump paid all taxes he was obligated to pay on that famous tax return she released?

 
 
 
bugsy
9.2.11  bugsy  replied to  SteevieGee @9.2.9    3 months ago
There was no audit.

You know this how?

 
 
 
SteevieGee
9.2.12  SteevieGee  replied to  bugsy @9.2.11    3 months ago

His lips were moving.

 
 
 
epistte
9.2.13  epistte  replied to  MUVA @9.2.4    3 months ago
No you have wealthy people to thank they pay most of the taxes.

Why should they get a pass on their income when we have a very wide margin of economic disparity? That wealth would do more to drive the economy in the hands of people who spend it than being tired in the hands of 10-20 very wealthy families.  This is the basis of macroeconomics.

In 2011, financial inequality was greater than inequality in total wealth, with the top 1% of the population owning 43%, the next 19% of Americans owning 50%, and the bottom 80% owning 7%. ... According to PolitiFact and others, in 2011 the 400 wealthiest Americans have more wealth than half of all Americans combined.
 
 
 
Jack_TX
9.2.14  Jack_TX  replied to  epistte @9.2.13    3 months ago
Why should they get a pass on their income when we have a very wide margin of economic disparity?

They pay a larger percentage of taxes than the percentage of income they earn.

They also pay an astronomically higher rate.

The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid a 26.9 percent individual income tax rate, which is more than seven times higher than taxpayers in the bottom 50 percent (3.7 percent).

So the question is not "why should they get a pass".  The question is "why do you want these people who are paying much of your way to pay even more of your way?"

 
 
 
bugsy
9.2.15  bugsy  replied to  SteevieGee @9.2.12    3 months ago
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Thrawn 31
9.2.16  Thrawn 31  replied to  MUVA @9.2.4    3 months ago

Lol, you say that like you are paying those taxes. The taxes I pay are basically to make sure the poor don't pull a French Revolution. I am totally cool with my taxes. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
9.2.17  Thrawn 31  replied to  Jack_TX @9.2.14    3 months ago
They also pay an astronomically higher rate.

The difference is I miss what I pay in taxes far less than someone making minimum wage. 

So the question is not "why should they get a pass".  The question is "why do you want these people who are paying much of your way to pay even more of your way?"

Because I don't want to see any sort of revolt. I will pay a little more in taxes (my lifestyle will not change in the slightest) if it staves off the masses. 

 
 
 
MUVA
9.2.18  MUVA  replied to  Thrawn 31 @9.2.17    3 months ago

I pay my taxes to fund roads and schools and other services not because the lowest common denominator may rise up.  

 
 
 
MUVA
9.2.19  MUVA  replied to  epistte @9.2.13    3 months ago

I'm in the 19% but with inheritance just might make the 1% one day hopefully a long time from now .

 
 
 
MUVA
9.2.20  MUVA  replied to  Jack_TX @9.2.14    3 months ago

I have over a million dollars in income tax in the last 10 years I'm sick of fucking taxes.

 
 
 
Split Personality
9.2.21  Split Personality  replied to  MUVA @9.2.20    3 months ago

But as you have claimed in the past, you are delighted to make hundreds of thousands a year

for your very well earned skills as a master marine mechanic and master marine painter;

good advice from your parents and in laws about the stock market and owner of a successful marina/boat dealership, in addition to your wife's successful businesses.

I do earnestly hope for 2 things ( well maybe more)

That you make it to your 1% and stop bitching about the taxes,

and that you stayed married, live well, live long and prosper. Take good care of your kids and grand kids.

Long live the American Dream.

 
 
 
pat wilson
9.2.22  pat wilson  replied to  MUVA @9.2.20    3 months ago

So you gross a half million a year. Pretty good. Better than POTUSs' income.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
9.2.23  Jack_TX  replied to  Thrawn 31 @9.2.17    3 months ago
The difference is I miss what I pay in taxes far less than someone making minimum wage. 

OK.

But the idea you "get a free pass" is idiotic.

The fact is that you and MUVA and me are paying a whole shitload of other people's "fair share".  I'm not complaining and I don't want anything done about it.  But people who tell us we're not "paying our fair share" can piss off.

 
 
 
epistte
9.3  epistte  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @9    3 months ago
screw infrastructure anyway. I'm fine with dirt roads, I have a 4X4.

How many of the goods and services that you depend on reply to modern and efficient infrastructure?  When do libertarians plan to grow up and see yourselves as part of an interconnected and interdependent society instead of just seeing yourself?

You seem to look at a forest and only see individual trees and not the interconnected ecosystem that makes a forest function and thrive.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.4  Texan1211  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @9    3 months ago

You probably need to bust out the /S tag!!

 
 
 
Jack_TX
10  Jack_TX    3 months ago
You proved squat.

It makes him "feel better" to think so.

If he actually knew any conservatives, he'd be able to tell zealots from centrists.  

He has half read part of a post which he had determined before he started was going to confirm his bias.  It's established behavior at this point.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
10.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Jack_TX @10    3 months ago
He has half read part of a post which he had determined before he started was going to confirm his bias. 

Well, that's what you claimed at the time and then you come here and prove my point.  It was nice, but unnecessary, for you to do so.  And, your notion that gridlock represents the moderate political viewpoint was the proof.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
10.1.1  Jack_TX  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @10.1    3 months ago
And, your notion that gridlock represents the moderate political viewpoint was the proof.  

Go ahead and describe for us a scenario where the enactment of a Donald Trump initiative is good for America. 

If you can't, you'll need to admit that gridlock is a preferable alternative.

 
 
 
MUVA
10.1.2  MUVA  replied to  Jack_TX @10.1.1    3 months ago

I prefer gridlock [deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Jack_TX @10.1.1    3 months ago

You may have boxed him in with that.

No way in hell he will admit that anything Trump would possibly want is in line with his thinking.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
10.1.4  Jack_TX  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.3    3 months ago
You may have boxed him in with that.

Common sense tends to be an excellent weapon against irrational antagonism.

 
 
 
lady in black
11  lady in black    3 months ago

'Achomlishments': Photographer snaps look at Trump's notes in Rose Garden news conference

Also misspelled is the word intentionally - intentially

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/05/23/photo-trump-notes-white-house-news-conference/1203665001/

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
11.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  lady in black @11    3 months ago

Musta bean thimking amouf hims oranges

 
 
 
lady in black
11.1.1  lady in black  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @11.1    3 months ago

Goes to show you that we have a moronic imbecile in the white house

 
 
 
1stwarrior
11.1.2  1stwarrior  replied to  lady in black @11.1.1    3 months ago

Don't remember Hillary winning the election.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
11.1.3  Raven Wing  replied to  1stwarrior @11.1.2    3 months ago

True, she didn't win. And that is why we have a moronic imbecile in the WH now.

 
 
 
dennis smith
11.1.4  dennis smith  replied to  Raven Wing @11.1.3    3 months ago

American voters disagree with you.

 
 
 
MrFrost
11.1.5  MrFrost  replied to  dennis smith @11.1.4    3 months ago
American voters disagree with you.

American voters voted for Clinton over Trump...

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
11.1.6  sandy-2021492  replied to  dennis smith @11.1.4    3 months ago

Recheck the popular vote results.  The American people didn't elect this president.

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  sandy-2021492 @11.1.6    3 months ago
Recheck the popular vote results. The American people didn't elect this president.

Just curious---if Trump didn't win the election, who did?

Didn't Trump win like every other President--by securing at least 270 electoral votes, as required by law?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
11.1.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  sandy-2021492 @11.1.6    3 months ago

You really need to comprehend that for better or worse, popular vote does not get presidents elected in this country, the Electoral College does. But you know that already so why do you bother mentioning it?

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @11.1.8    3 months ago

Did we miss something? Is the popular vote how presidents are elected? Did we change it somewhere along the way, and the folks crowing about the popular vote didn't tell the rest of the world? Or do they seriously just not know?

Just like the idiots claiming the 2018 midterms were a "landslide". Used to be, political parties judged their performance on how many seats they won or lost. That is sorta the GOAL, isn't it? But somehow, the overall number of votes became significant in some way to certain folks.  The GOP lost fewer seats than did Obama or Clinton. Remember hearing about a "landslide" then? Nope--nary a peep from the ones claiming one now.

WTH do they teach in schools nowadays, or is it just a lot of folks suffering from delusions?

 
 
 
Sunshine
11.2  Sunshine  replied to  lady in black @11    3 months ago

That looks fake...Tweeters falling for fake shit again?

 
 
 
Dulay
11.2.1  Dulay  replied to  Sunshine @11.2    3 months ago

Why don't you contact the photographer for authentication? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
11.2.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Sunshine @11.2    3 months ago

Nope, not fake.  Google it dear.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
12  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו    3 months ago

I'd say Shitbag is acting like a spoiled 3 y.o. brat but that would be giving him far too much credit. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
12.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12    3 months ago

I should have included "with advanced dementia" to that description.  My apologies. 

 
 
 
epistte
12.1.1  epistte  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12.1    3 months ago

Trump's recent speech in Philadelphia was incoherent.  Even Palin could have done better than that rambling mess.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/11/politics/trump-speech-pennsylvania/index.html

 
 
 
Raven Wing
12.2  Raven Wing  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12    3 months ago
I'd say Shitbag is acting like a spoiled 3 y.o.

But, that would be an insult to 3 y/o's. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
12.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12    3 months ago

My 3 year old is infinitely more reasonable (thus a significantly better negotiator) than dip shit.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
13  Thrawn 31    3 months ago

Meh, just Trump being Trump. Act like a total bitch when you think you are being treated unfairly. Honestly, him not doing shit may be the best possible outcome, not that he has done a whole lot outside of ruining the foundations of government. 

 
 
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