Edited Pelosi video highlights concerns about misinformation and elections
As technology makes it harder to tell what’s real and what’s fake online, experts warn that public opinion could be manipulated through skillfully edited videos.
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It used to be you could trust a picture, now you can't even trust a video. Further proof:
With viral spreading and distrust, now what?
For decades now, the Democrats have become experts at using the lie and the smear, and playing dirty politics.
How can anything more obvious than the tactics they used during the Kavanaugh hearings, and this whole Mueller investigation hoax
Now that the Republicans are beating them at their own game, they're crying foul and saying it's not fair.
I think its hilarious. Trump has picked up on this and is using it to his advantage.
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Greg,
That has nothing to do with this topic. We are talking about something that is very dangerous. Regardless of party, this can do great harm.
Look at the potential danger here.
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This latest nonsense against Ms. Pelosi and the fake news is being spread by the 'president'
As I have been saying, social media is ruining us as a species.
Indeed.
The great gas lighting of the USA. The citizens of this country better get smarter very soon or we will all be asking "What are we doing in this basket and where are we going ?"
Too late! Make your money now and get into the protected class ASAP!
LOL, Pat. That was my tag line when I was on NV. Great minds!
It just shows the lengths that some people will go to in their endeavor to try to smear their opponent. However, in the end, they are the ones who will look the fool.
As the old saying goes, "O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!"
And it also shows the acute level of desperation of the person engaging in such practice.
Funny thing about truth.....no matter how you paint its face to try to hide it, truth always finds a way to clear itself. Some people seem to never learn that lesson.
Great post !
Thanks Pat. (smile)
second that!
This seems s-o-o-o obvious. I would be ashamed to do this kind of deception... and moreover, I would be ashamed to be associated with the perps.
Sadly, we've seen many NT "conservatives" justify the practice.
True. I think many of them only support Trump because he now has an R after his name instead of a D. Many of them would support anyone, or anything, that has an R after their name, even if the R stood for Rabid.
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I'll give the Dems a heads-up so they won't be too shocked.
Then you are a partisan and you can't ever complain about your counterparts.
I prefer to leave myself free to vote for the best person, not a party.
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So doing the same about President Trump is perfectly OK to the left ,correct?
Perrie, you allow altered pictures of the President to stay on here, especially the one with him playing golf with a stain on his rear, and say absolutely nothing about them, but for some reason you have a problem with altered pictures/videos of Pelosi...and you call yourself an independent.
You really do post like one s/
You really do post like one s/
Have to agree.
And then there are all the derogatory pics of Trump used to headline various seeds....that are used over and over and over, that are always allowed
Wow, you guys just don't get it. It's not about Pelosi. It is about the ability to alter the video. Frankly, I am not a fan of hers. Anyone who knows me knows that.
Look at the big picture for goodness sakes.
And? What should be done about this?
Once we start making laws about lying about (altering) what people said on videos, should we also make stricter laws about lies written about what people have done and said in the press and elsewhere?
How far should US government go in addressing lies in US media and how should this be accomplished so that it is effective?
Two possibilities, Perrie...
First, they may not be able to stay on topic - short attention span.
Second, they intentionally change the topic, to avoid having to criticize an obviously odious practice because they are perfectly happy with it. It's yet another assault on democracy.
We need to be more alert to possible foreign forgeries. If it is done by a party or specific political group, it is libel and charges should be brought
Why do we need laws? There are laws on the book about this already. And yes, the media should be included.
It's rather simple. If the media is caught, they are charged with libel and copyright infringement.
"Oh, it's whinin' time again, la-la-la-la-la" *
Wow, you people and your thin skin. Can dish it out but sure can't take it.
*apologies and props to Ray Charles
It isn't okay at all, but it will be the future regardless. As a species we are totally fucked, we are already and will be even more at the mercy of those who control social media. The deed is done, 1984 is upon us.
Whoa! Don't put words in my mouth. I think that is equally wrong.
We all know alter pictures have been done, and they are pretty easy to spot. Both parties had it done to them.
And this is not about Pelosi. It is about the video alterations that are dangerous. If there was one recently about Trump, I would have posted it.
And don't get snarky with me.
What lies aren't dangerous? What makes video alterations more dangerous than rumors and gossip that are founded on lies if people believe them? How do we know who and what to trust in or out of government?
All lies are dangerous
Because we are mentally trained to believe what we see on video and to trust it more.. you know a picture is worth more than a 100 words, what is a video worth?
Good question. I don't trust the government. I also don't trust foreign ones either.
Governments are made up by people. In the case of the US - lots and lots of people. How did all of those people get elected if they are not trustworthy?
The individual people may or may not be trustworthy. The aggregate of government, including out clandestine depts. are what I don't trust, and no one voted for them.
I'm sorry, I cannot believe that deceptive or smearing videos/pictures and false news are used only by one side of the aisle. I am truly disappointed in persons whom I respect for making such an accusation.
I completely agree. Playing dirty in politics has happened as long as there has been people willing to do anything to attain power and keep it.
In your opinion is such behavior socially useful or not?
In your opinion, is it ethical to manipulate others for self gain?
No.
Now will you answer my question?
You just did.
No. I gave my opinion. I asked yours.
Obsession is unhealthy, Badfish.
You are 100% correct.
During Bill Clinton's reign as president, the federal government spent over 120 million taxpayer dollars to create government infomercials distributed as non-biased news. This propaganda continued under Bush and was exposed in 2005.
The article also cites that it is LEGAL for the US government to spread propaganda in foreign countries, but ILLEGAL to do so in the US.
I hope we can at least agree that there's a distinction between a government putting out factual promotional information for its programs and a government issuing blatantly false propaganda to, for example, justify a war based on lies.
Nope. If the government uses actors & scripts to promote an agenda as unbiased news, then why should this be acceptable?
The POTUS can address his/her "factual" agenda via media in news conferences 24/7....as can other politicians.
Why should taxpayer dollars be used to fund infomercials disguised as unbiased news? This is deceptive at the very least and a blatant waste of taxpayer dollars.
I have to agree with you there!
Within 10 years it will be the norm. Honestly by the 2028 election we actually won't have any idea who we are voting for or if the candidate is actually a real person.
There have always been smear campaigns in US politics from the first elections to the last one. Unless the US voters suddenly develop a zero tolerance for lies, why would any of this ever change?
I wonder if it will even have much impact in view of the real history of the politicians that the voters have elected to represent us and our interests.
But there have never been smear campaigns with a video of a person saying things and that video being completely manufactured. And I am not talking about splicing clips together, I am talking about what was posted above. If you post that video with no context, people and the media are going to initially treat it as legit. By the time the truth comes out it is too late. We are not just talking about lies, we are talking about purely artificial realities. We have started to develop technology that is smarter than we are, that our brains cannot distinguish between real and fake because fake looks so real.
Again, this is completely different from what you are talking about. And that is only with elections. Imagine a government using the basic tech in the video, making a video saying the US is currently launching air strikes against Iran, and feeding it out over social media. There is a very real possibility that in the initial moments of confusion (especially with this dip shit president) someone could panic and make a historically bad decision. Thanks to social media, terrorism has never been so easy.
Ok. What do you propose be done about it?
Nothing can be done. Pandora's box has been opened. Every idiot who has a brain fart can now air that fart on a global scale, and other will act on it. Weather the storm as best you can.
I'm hoping the younger generations will be able to handle this better than mine is. Somehow we've descended into stupid, where ignorance is a virtue, lies acceptable, and people are proud to embrace hate. I see much less of that in the young. I just hope we can survive this disaster of our own making.
To address the 'both sides' argument, that might have been possible in the past, but the way things are now, no. Trump has taken this to a whole new level, and it can't be minimized by the false equivalencies.
Exactly.
When did we?
How many voters knew JFK was a serial adulterer?
How many voters knew Nixon was an unsavory character?
If voters actually knew who they were voting for, they might demand better choices.
We are still human so don't count on it. Technology has far eclipsed evolution.
I think we have always been that way to a degree, as a survival mechanism. Killing a perceived threat is better than that threat killing you sort of thing.
That is the one bright spot I see for our species. One of the only things outside of my family that warms my heart is seeing groups of students walking around. Because there will be a white guy, a black guy, a hispanic girl, and an asian girl all just walking along and shooting the shit like they are clones of each other. Race is not even an afterthought. That is the only hope I have for our species, that we can all realize that we are essentially clones with minor differences.
We will be long dead before our species has to deal with that, thank your grand and great grandpaents kids!
Exactly, we as a society and species are totally fucked.
This is not about Trump. This is about the dangers of video alterations.
Sadly, I doubt that for partisans. They vote party and not individual.
Buzz,
What are you talking about? That is not what this article is about. Nowhere does it say that it is being used by one side alone. It is about the danger of video alterations.
Some people have so completely indoctrinated themselves that everything that their particular party or group is good by definition. They have no ability to think critically.
Exactly.
The sad part is that for them it was voluntary, for their grand kids it will be mandatory.
The seed doesn't say that, Buzz.
Why do you presume that it does? Is it easier to imagine dirty tricks from the party of Tricky Dick, Swiftboating, and ratfucking? Yeah... it is much easier...
I mean....Hillary was coughing her head off, she had spells of uncontrollable head bobbing, and was stumbling around and falling frequently.
We were worried about her health and fitness to serve.
With Pelosi, it's that maniacal and glazed look in her eyes that has us concerned.
She really does scare you, doesn't she. Is it just the fact that she's a strong woman who can't be bowed or that she's running rings around *president* Shitbag?
It's amusing in a way. I've often asked why a person is so horrified by Pelosi. I have never received an answer concerning her policies or political action. The answer is always about her looks, voice, clothes, ...
I don't like the woman, but come on... She's no dimwit.
Technology is NOT a good idea anymore.
We've been Duped ……. Literally !
Is there another way to be duped that's just figurative?
"Flowery" !
It's on the internet, It's True !
Not the topic, but thanks for playing.
Some are easily duped
Many are actually eager to be duped, voilà: Le Sac De Merde à La Maison Blanche.
With respect to Perrie, this altered video was so poorly and desperately done and disseminated that it took about a millisecond for the internet to debunk it. I'm sure Putin's thugs and Shitbag's domestic accomplices have much better stuff in store for us over the next 18 months.
OMG if I were Putin or Xi I would directing massive amounts of money to AI R&D with the sole goal being to run fake candidates in American elections within the next 10 years. Start running AI social media candidates, while at the same time attacking and degrading institutions like the media, and you could reasonably get the American electorate to elect a person that doesn't exist outside of Twitter. How hilarious would that swearing in ceremony be?
And no I have absolutely no faith in the American people to do the right or smart thing.
And a certain political party is banking on the laziness and gullibility of enough of the American people not to even read summaries of a report that shows that the "president" of the United States engaged in multiple acts of obstruction to prevent discovery of his eager acceptance of help from a hostile foreign country to get elected. If we really are now seeing the seeds end of the republic it's going to be what we deserve.
Honestly this goes beyond political parties, they will both do it. This is about our basic survival as a country or species. At some point we have to be able to tell what is real or not and political expediency demands that "victory"trumps all.
We are and we do. I have been saying it for a little bit now, our republic is finished. It is dying a slow death (although now greatly accelerated) and hopefully history will treat us fairly kindly.
But our republic is dying due to exactly what the founders feared, that the people are too stupid to make intelligent choices. Humans are of course a hierarchical social species, so we are naturally drawn to "strong" leaders and general subservience to authority. The founders knew this and knew that if it were left to the general masses we would end up with a king, so they initially tried to defend against that. Hence the electoral college and the idea that only land owning men could vote (the idea was that they were obviously more mentally competent). But the arc of history is long, and apparently points towards dictatorship. Our republic is in its dying days, so a toast to our success on the eve of failure.
The topic is altering videos. Please stay on topic.
It is the later that I am concerned about.
people do not get their ideology from social media.
and no vote was ever changed by a meme.
aint free speech just a pain in the ass like that? LOL
cheers
Yes they do. Why are politicians and PACs on social media then?
Many have been and many more will be, do not overestimate the intelligence of your fellow citizens.
Kinda like tolerance. Eventually free speech will be the death of itself.
no.. they don't. people do not change ideology as often as their underwear/
regardless of how creative, no meme or slowed video will ever change my vote to D
not a single vote was changed by anything anyone on this or any other site has ever said online and not one vote will be changed by this either it is just fun to watch
So party identity is more important than what they stand for. No need for any in-depth thought, as long as the 'enemy leftist' is the 'loser', its a win, collateral damage be damned.
But other people are impacted by the lies and bullshit. Nobody should be ok with that gaslighting.
Yes they do. Just throw in or take out the word "tax". People are fucking stupid.
Given the video above, how would you know? How would you know who you are actually voting for, what their actual policies are, or what they have actually said and done?
100% positive in saying you are wrong. Again, you are thinking that people are smarter than they are.
think what ya like.... but tell me how many times has a meme changed your mind about who to vote for?
if people were all that influential trump would not have won. period. the entire internet and lamestream media said trump had no chance... so why did everyone not believe the media? most are not that stupid. sure some are that stupid but not enough to worry about.
Do you, honest to your god, believe that the vast majority of voters follow elections closely, look over policy points and proposals, sit down with their reps and discuss support and concerns with them, and base their votes on those conversations?
I am stupid, but I am not a moron. A self-defeating statement I know, but you get the point. I know before the election who I am going for because those people by that point have made their positions clear. I am not representative of the masses though.
but your qualified to declare memes change other peoples minds... just not yours/
LOL
well anyway... here is the fun part... nothing you can do about memes. they are here to stay.
cheers
Lol who said I am qualified to do shit? I am just expressing an opinion, like you.
Mark Zuckerberg agrees.
Except that is what Goebbels did, as well as Stalin.
He is an ass. He has this site off limits because we actually discuss things here. He just posts what pleases or doesn't please him.
I, on the other hand, let plenty of stuff that doesn't please me be said here.
Some people are so blind it amazes me.
Social media would be among the tools that we use to reinforce the beliefs that were instilled in us by our family, friends, society and religion (if applicable).
We have no choice where and to whom we are born, but those will be the most influential factors doing our youth.
A few years ago, I watched the film "The Lottery of Birth". It provided food for thought - more questions than answers....probably because that is how I am wired - I question just about everything. LOL!
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This is not a meme. It is video. Videos spread like viruses. It is not good for our country. It is a danger.
a danger huh? too funny...
the left can fabricate investigations to overthrow a president but editing videos is dangerous?
sorry, I do not set my hair on fire everytime someone edits a video...
This is obviously a joke that no one would take as real. It is not a speech given by Trump where he was being misrepresented. If it was, it would be no different than what this article is supposed to be about, but being purposely avoided.
if SNL can edit speeches... so can anyone else.
cheers
take the meme challenge...
SHOW ME THE MEME...
just one meme to change one mind... it should be easy right?
give it your best shot
THIS IS NOT ABOUT MEMES. THIS IS ABOUT VIDEO ALTERATIONS.
everything I said about memes stands for edited videos as well.
cheers
Ummm no, because it's gross and I am trying to get FB to take us back.
Memes are about a specific message.
Video alternations are about deception.