Texas Republican Says Women Should 'Absolutely' Be Jailed For Having An Abortion

  
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Texas Republican Says Women Should 'Absolutely' Be Jailed For Having An Abortion

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Texas Republican Says Women Should 'Absolutely' Be Jailed For Having An Abortion



710c91c0-4b9c-11e7-8912-374be9390b1b_H-1 Jenavieve Hatch,HuffPost 16 hours ago 

A Texas Republican said last week that he believes women who have abortions should “absolutely” be punished.

In a video released by abortion access advocacy group Reproaction on May 30, Rep. Ron Wright (R-Texas), who was elected in 2018, responds to questions about whether or not women who induce their own abortions should be punished with jail.

“Of course, because they just killed a baby,” he says.

When the interviewer asks if he’s concerned that women could be sent to prison for having abortions, he says, “As far as I’m concerned, they committed murder.”

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Wright’s comments, according to NARAL Pro Choice Texas Executive Director Aimee Arrambide, are “not hypothetical.”

Just six months ago, in the most recent legislative session, Texas state Rep. Tony Tinderholt (R) introduced a bill that would have “banned abortion and subjected women and their doctors to the death penalty” regardless of rape, incest or fetal abnormalities.

The bill is currently pending in committee.  

“North Texans deserve better than anti-abortion extremists who want to punish women for having abortions,” Arrambide said.

Though Wright was only recently elected to Congress, his long political career in the state of Texas has given him a platform to air his anti-abortion sentiments.

In 2015, as tax assessor collector for Texas’ Tarrant County, he encouraged county employees in a bizarre speech not to make donations to United Way, a fundraising nonprofit organization, for its supposed ties to Planned Parenthood.

“Hitler made the trains run on time … The good that’s being done doesn’t compensate for the evil that’s being done by Planned Parenthood.”

HuffPost reached out to Wright for comment and did not hear back in time for publication.

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Tessylo
1  seeder  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

Another male republican weighing in on women's reproductive health choices.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1  Gordy327  replied to  Tessylo @1    3 weeks ago
Another male republican weighing in on women's reproductive health choices.  

Not surprising it's Texas either. I don't know why some people think a woman's choice is any of their business.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @1    3 weeks ago
Another male republican weighing in on women's reproductive health choices.

As is his right as an American. He is allowed to have an opinion, no matter how unpalatable it may be.

 
 
 
lib50
1.2.1  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2    3 weeks ago
As is his right as an American. He is allowed to have an opinion, no matter how unpalatable it may be.

Who cares about his opinion?   Its his attempts to legislate control and judgement over women we have a problem with. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

I am pretty sure if the majority of people in his district disagree with him, he won't be winning any elections in the future.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  lib50 @1.2.1    3 weeks ago
'Who cares about his opinion?   Its his attempts to legislate control and judgement over women we have a problem with.' 

Agreed lib50 - I don't give a fuck what his 'opinion' is.  

Exactly.

They say everything is bigger in Texas - including the idiots in congress.  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1    3 weeks ago

Infanticide is against the law.

If it can survive outside the womb, is it still just a fetus?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3    3 weeks ago
'Infanticide is against the law.'

Where are infants being murdered?  Need to alert the proper authorities.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.3.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3    3 weeks ago
If it can survive outside the womb, is it still just a fetus?

If it can live outside the womb then it's "viable" which means elective abortion is no longer an option. The only time abortions are performed after viability is to protect the health of the woman. 92% of all abortions occur at or before 12 weeks, long before viability. Another 7% occur between 12 weeks and viability which is usually considered 24 weeks. After that the 1% that are performed are to save the life or protect the health of the mother.

If you're so angry about the 1% then why not fight that fight? Make it clear that you're okay with 99% of abortions that are before viability. Otherwise, stop using dishonest attacks like claiming abortion in general is "infanticide" and implying a large number happen after the fetus can "survive outside the womb" to attack all abortion as it exposes your flawed argument.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.3.3  Gordy327  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3    3 weeks ago
Infanticide is against the law.

Yes it is. But abortion isn't infanticide.

If it can survive outside the womb, is it still just a fetus?

Yes! It is a fetus until it's actually born! But if It can survive outside the womb, then it has reached viability. Elective abortions are not allowed after that point unless there is medical necessity. So what's the problem?

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.3.4  MrFrost  replied to  Gordy327 @1.3.3    3 weeks ago
But if It can survive outside the womb, then it has reached viability. Elective abortions are not allowed after that point unless there is medical necessity.

Damnit, beat me by three minutes. Exactly right and I know of no one that would support an abortion after the point of viability unless there was grave risk to the mother.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.3.5  Gordy327  replied to  MrFrost @1.3.4    3 weeks ago
Damnit, beat me by three minutes.

You gotta be quicker than that Frost jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

Exactly right and I know of no one that would support an abortion after the point of viability unless there was grave risk to the mother.

But somehow, anti-choicers are convinced and/or parrot the idea that elective late term abortions would be allowed or the norm. It's pandering to ignorance and/or fear!

 
 
 
katrix
1.3.6  katrix  replied to  Gordy327 @1.3.5    3 weeks ago

Well, these people run solely on emotions, not logic.  That's why they're so gullible when it comes to conspiracy theories, too.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.3.7  Gordy327  replied to  katrix @1.3.6    3 weeks ago

Indeed

 
 
 
Krishna
1.4  Krishna  replied to  Tessylo @1    3 weeks ago
Another male republican weighing in on women's reproductive health choices.  

A lot of male republicans have taken this position.

A lot of them members of Congress . . .  as well as elected officials in state government.

But there's also a prominent member of a much higher office who has also spoken out on the subject:

 
 
 
evilgenius
2  evilgenius    3 weeks ago

Just another example of fascism in America. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  evilgenius @2    3 weeks ago

How do you define fascism?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.1.1  Jack_TX  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1    3 weeks ago
How do you define fascism?

It would appear to be "anything that makes liberals unhappy".

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.1    3 weeks ago

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Texan1211
2.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.1    3 weeks ago
It would appear to be "anything that makes liberals unhappy".

Now you've gone and done it.

You realize that you will need to post an explanation of that for those who can't understand it.

 
 
 
evilgenius
2.1.4  evilgenius  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.1    3 weeks ago
It would appear to be "anything that makes liberals unhappy".

Thanks, Jack, that is a very deep and thoughtful reply. It really gets the heart of our discourse and furthers the discussion. Keep up with the good work! I'm hoping to apply for Special Abortion Investigator to help put these evil, evil women in prison (where I have heavily invested a lot of money) where they belong. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.1.5  Jack_TX  replied to  evilgenius @2.1.4    3 weeks ago

It gets exactly to the heart of the discourse.  

If you're talking about "fascism in America", you have identified your statement as a rant, and indicated clearly you have zero interest in intelligent or rational exploration of the topic.

I just identified the situation quicky.  Sorry if that disappoints you.

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.1.6  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1    3 weeks ago
How do you define fascism?

How about the book definition?

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2][3][4] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[5] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[6] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before it spread to other European countries.[6] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[6][7][8][9][10][11]

Fascists saw World War I as a revolution that brought massive changes to the nature of war, society, the state and technology. The advent of total war and the total mass mobilization of society had broken down the distinction between civilians and combatants. A "military citizenship" arose in which all citizens were involved with the military in some manner during the war.[12][13] The war had resulted in the rise of a powerful state capable of mobilizing millions of people to serve on the front lines and providing economic production and logistics to support them, as well as having unprecedented authority to intervene in the lives of citizens.[12][13]

Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete and regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[14] Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.[14]Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views political violence, war and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation.[15][16][17][18] Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky (national economic self-sufficiency) through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.[19]

Since the end of World War II in 1945, few parties have openly described themselves as fascist, and the term is instead now usually used pejoratively by political opponents. The descriptions neo-fascist or post-fascist are sometimes applied more formally to describe parties of the far-right with ideologies similar to, or rooted in, 20th-century fascist movements.[6][20]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.7  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.5    3 weeks ago

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lady in black
3  lady in black    3 weeks ago

And the war on women marches on in red states.

 
 
 
charger 383
4  charger 383    3 weeks ago

  “Hitler made the trains run on time …"

The German trains ran on time before Hitler.  the trains on time thing is about Mussolini in Italy

Weather the trains are on time or late, abortion is a right

   

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.1  Greg Jones  replied to  charger 383 @4    3 weeks ago

Weather the trains are on time or late, abortion is a right.

It's only a right that was wrongly interpreted by the Court.

It's long overdue for another look, with some common sense restrictions needing to be put in place.

By any stretch of the imagination, very late term abortion is unnecessary and wrong.

The pro-abortion crowd has foolishly put themselves in this position.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    3 weeks ago

There are common sense restrictions in place.

'By any stretch of the imagination, very late term abortion is unnecessary and wrong.'

No matter how many times your reword this phrase - this is not what is happening unless the mother's health is in danger or the fetus is not viable.  No abortions are being performed up to delivery and beyond.      

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    3 weeks ago
The pro-abortion crowd has foolishly put themselves in this position.

Please define this term? Is it anyone who is pro-choice, or a specific subset?

From the article:

Just six months ago, in the most recent legislative session, Texas state Rep. Tony Tinderholt (R) introduced a bill that would have “banned abortion and subjected women and their doctors to the death penalty” regardless of rape, incest or fetal abnormalities.

Do you feel that this is reasonable?

 
 
 
katrix
4.1.3  katrix  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    3 weeks ago
By any stretch of the imagination, very late term abortion is unnecessary and wrong. The pro-abortion crowd has foolishly put themselves in this position.

Very few pro-choice people approve of late term abortions except when necessary for the health of the woman.  But the anti-choice crowd keeps pretending that isn't the case.

 
 
 
Snuffy
4.1.4  Snuffy  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    3 weeks ago
common sense restrictions

man do I hate that phrase. First off common sense is not all the common,  usually because most people can't get their political or religious ideals out of the way. Secondly what seems to be common sense to one person can be unrealistic to another.

I really don't like government involved in this fight. While I am not a fan of abortion I feel the arguments around it revolve around feelings vs religion. When the two sides are so deeply involved in absolutism it's almost impossible to find common ground or compromise. As such, IMO, I would rather government get out of the discussion completely and stop these laws. If it is truly against God's will then the mother and doctor will need to answer for it when they die. The sixth commandment is you shall not murder, so they will have to answer to God. But free will should allow for them to choose their path, shouldn't it?

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.5  Gordy327  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    3 weeks ago
It's only a right that was wrongly interpreted by the Court.

Merely your opinion.

It's long overdue for another look,

It's already been looked at and reviewed multiple times over the years.

with some common sense restrictions needing to be put in place.

There already are restrictions in place.

By any stretch of the imagination, very late term abortion is unnecessary and wrong.

They are only done for medical necessity, not electively. I don't understand how you do not seem to get that, despite all the times it has been explained to you. Unless you are being intentionally disingenuous about it!

The pro-abortion crowd has foolishly put themselves in this position.

Only because anti-choicers want to removes women's constitutional rights!

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.6  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    3 weeks ago
pro-abortion

As has been pointed out to you SEVERAL times, (no less than 5 times by me alone), this simply doesn't exist. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.7  MrFrost  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.2    3 weeks ago
Please define this term?

You will not get an answer to this question. That's why making hyperbolic statements paints people into a corner...

EVERY

SINGLE 

TIME. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.8  Gordy327  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.6    3 weeks ago
As has been pointed out to you SEVERAL times, (no less than 5 times by me alone), this simply doesn't exist.

They equate pro-choice with "pro-abortion." They either don't really understand the difference or they are being obtuse and/or dishonest about it. Possibly both!

 
 
 
Tessylo
5  seeder  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

'In 2015, as tax assessor collector for Texas’ Tarrant County, he encouraged county employees in a bizarre speech not to make donations to United Way, a fundraising nonprofit organization, for its supposed ties to Planned Parenthood.

“Hitler made the trains run on time … The good that’s being done doesn’t compensate for the evil that’s being done by Planned Parenthood.”

HuffPost reached out to Wright for comment and did not hear back in time for publication.'

Thanks for highlighting his ignorance charger.  

 
 
 
JBB
6  JBB    3 weeks ago

You can always tell a Texas Republican. You just can't tell a Texas Republican much.

 
 
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